Warning: This is a dangerous post. But sometimes, you've just got to do what you've just got to do.
And let me be clear: it's not my fault.
It started yesterday on the art curator thread when Biodun noted that Dick Cheney is "stopping everywhere he can abroad, anything to delay his return to the States. I wonder what he’s afraid of back home." It continued this morning on the Condi thread when Redshift took it a step further, talking about what Cheney's scheduler might be thinking, trying to balance the jury with the Shooter's . . . ahem . . . diplomatic . . . ahem . . . travel options: “How long can they keep deliberating? I’m running out of countries!”
I know it calls for speculation, it depends on facts not in evidence, and is the ultimate in hearsay, but still: Don't you just wonder what others in DC are doing while they wait for the jury to come back?
For example, where's Karl Rove? He hasn't been seen or heard from in I don't know how long. But I heard from my friend the Senior Administration Official Who Only Speaks on Deep Background about him. Seems he's been measuring the drapes in Cheney's undisclosed location, so as to make his own UL a bit more cozy. It's still under construction, but the GSA is hoping to have it completed before the jury comes back.
Tim Russert? I heard from a Media Source that Tim's polishing up his whiteboard, to be ready to describe how the 11 jurors voted. "It all comes down to Florida. Err . . . Fitzgerald." What media source, you ask? Why, I couldn't tell you that. Every time I talk to the media, I treat the conversation as off the record unless they say otherwise. Clergy-penitent privilege, you know.
What about Judy, Judy, Judy? Custodial staffers have found bags and bags underneath her desk of crumpled up balls of paper. They all have these drawings of mountains, ski lifts, and trees with little initials and hearts carved into the trunks. Whose initials, you ask? Now, now – I don't diss and tell.
The head of Walter Reed is really anxious for the verdict to come back. "Please be a juicy story! Anything to take us off the front page!"
FBI Agent Deborah Bond is making a list and checking it twice, preparing for Fitz's next act: "My name is Bond. Deborah Bond. We've got a few questions we'd like to ask you . . ." (And Yes, Virginia, I think Marcy's right – Fitz has more up his sleeve.)
And then there's David Shuster. He's been doing good stuff, but he's got to be thinking ahead to his next big gig. He's not worried about job security, not with this administration, but it's more like looking at a the menu in a great restaurant: "What to choose? War profiteering? Abramoff fallout? US Attorneys being fired? Decisions, decisions." Don't worry, David — you'll find something.
So, what do you hear, when you put on your tinfoil hat and listen to the voices in DC as they wait for the jury? Who's polishing up their resumes? Who's building up their defense funds? Who is obsessively but surreptitiously checking out FDL and refreshing their screen every fifteen seconds, and what are they saying to the screen?
Crank up the snark, prepare the rimshots, and remember to set down your coffee and other beverages. You have been warned.
(tip of the tinfoil to the good folks at MIT for the photo)
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Tin-foil!
I’m just getting cranky.
FITZ! JANE, MARCY, PACH & PETERR!
ding
Peterr!
Could one of the resident Plame-ologists do a post talking about where Brewster-Jennings fits in to all of this?
Is Brewster-Jennings part of the leak investigation? Who leaked that info? Wasn’t the leak of Brewster-Jennings even more damaging than revealing Plames identity?
I find it odd that we don’t hear much about that aspect of it.
Could someone here write about that? It will give you something to do while we all wait for the jury to convict Mr. PantsOnFire.
Nice lid!
Oh, Peterr, if I’d known there was dessert I’d have saved room at lunch! Lovely post, thank you, just a small helping. Well, a *bit* more, if you don’t mind.
And they all may be connected at the roots! As TRex says, it would be irresponsible not to speculate.
If I was Rove, I’d be in that sweet ass Jaguar and driving off to Mexico with all my gold bars. Hasta la vista, suckers.
I already issued my own fake press release about why the Art Dir was canned — EPU’ed, http://tinyurl.com/2ja4×5 :)
CancerCures @
9
Speaking of Turd Blossom, Iran tried to have talks with BushCo in 2003 only to be personally slapped down by Karl Rove.
I’ve only achieved SSRR status in my local chapter (Small Scrap — o — Reynold’s Rapp, or S2R2 as we say at the meetings); but I’m speculating that Dead Eye was too drunk to meet his prescribed location at the ‘bombing’ such that his genetically engineered body double could ‘die’ in the rubble and he could be air lifted to join Ken Lay on their private island outside of Indonesia.
I’m hoping to expand this theory and ride its coattails to MSRR status!
I’ve heard on deep background that Darth is circling Paraguay, waiting for the jury to come back.
I’m starting to understand why so many lawyers say they’ve barfed at the courthouse.
I have it on absolutely no authority at all that there is a contract out on him by the french foreign legion.
or it could be his attorney’s have told him that someone delivered a document from that pesky US attorney that is causing so much trouble for larry and curly.
Just when IS Darth Cheney supposed to be coming back home? Anyone seen his schedule?
Hey Peterr!
Thanks much for the shoutout. You’ve made my week, although if the verdict is guilty…well.
Now I can read your post. It looks fun. Where’s Waldo?
The desk in that picture looks exactly like mine and I have the same shirt as that dude. Long live radio! did-did-did dah-dah-dah did-did-did
That picture always cracks me up.
I think Judy might be in Sag Harbor, NY, while her husband is yet on another cruise.
Is it just me, or is the page broken?
Peterr @ top: “For example, where’s Karl Rove? He hasn’t been seen or heard from in I don’t know how long.”
Ok, I confess: I’m Karl Rove.
And the reason you haven’t heard from me is because I’ve been so busy following the Libby trial here on FDL that I haven’t been able to get anything else done.
Boy, I really hope I don’t get busted.
Foobar @ 12
Is the cloud of locusts keeping up?
Love the Tektronix scope, Peterr!! (?)
Pickles: making sure all the pretzels in the house are broken into bite size pieces, and phoning the “ranch” to get them to plant lots and lots of brush.
Shrub: sitting with a serious look on his face at his desk in the Oval Office, while under that desk he continues to try to escape from a Chinese finger puzzle.
Elliot Abrams: locked in his office with a map of Iran on his desk, waving toy jets around and making explosion noises with spittle flying.
Alberto Gonzales: desperately phoning realtors in Paraguay, since he was left off the “A-list” of Bush administration criminals.
Fitz announced that he closed the investigation prior to the start of the Libby trial.
Witnesses would not have been as candid had he not close the investigation.
Rove and Cheney have nothing to worry about from Fritz in my opinion
Lindy @
20
That damn Mark Foley!
I can’t help but wonder also since the Bush inner Iraq group/cartel always does diversionary maneuverings while dirty deeds are in the works. Who can they bribe, extort, or intimidate next?
Extreme appreciation for helping bring the truth. You have been more effective than you know, I’m sure. I hope you will continue.
Neocons have been bench-pressing their ideology/strategy for a long time. They will resort to whatever it takes to be right I think.
Phoenix Woman @ 10
Well that’s just peachy. I speculate that THAT’s why Nancy Pelosi and all those Democrats keep going to Iraq and meeting with leaders. I guess they go behind the closed doors and say “Please don’t kill us. Just let Bushco rant. Don’t believe ANYthing they say…if you want something, come to the Dems..we’ll talk.” Hoep some Dem goes to Afghanistan soon to clean up after Deadeye.
I hear NBC’s Meet the Press is about to launch a new weekly feature, “Where in the world is
Matt LauDick Cheney?Balrog @ 26
7.0.7.
value_man_98 @ 25
That’s it then, no more investigations ever.
Still some others in DC have been seeking refuge in the ghoulish Anna Nicole saga. But that’s going to end soon. And MSNBC will put Rita Cosby back in deep freeze. What a time she’s had after she was thawed: Florida! the Bahamas! Talk about piling up “foreign” countries.
What are the specifics of the obstruction charge? I’m wondering if that is the count that is taking the jury extra time.
Lovely hat, I often don one quite similar…it’s my favorite article of head apparel.
Wow. I just had a mental image of her standing at the counter with a bunch of pretzels in a ziploc bag, banging on them with a hammer in a Xanax daze.
Now that’s comedy.
bleever #25 “Chinese finger puzzle” LMAO!!
Am I the only one with site problems?
707!Balrog @ 26
peterr, i can only report that the Bundesgeheimdienstbehoerdeamt Division is looking into your concerns, and you as well.
(ps, Danke for relinking Der Spiegel. amazing the increase of desertions and stuff over the past few months, especially after the bush orc’s escalation speech.)
Have you ever investigated the underground bunkers in Poughkeepsie?
value_man_98 at 25 — Can you point me to one transcript link — just one — that says that? One public statement? Anything other than your word on this? Because the only person — the sole, single, solitary person — who has said that the investigation is compelte is Karl Rove’s lawyer Bob “Gold Bars” Luskin. Fitz has not said one damn thing in that regard on the public record. So if you have a link to that, I’d LOVE to see it.
Link?
I know what I’ve been doing;
pacing back and forth, hitting f5 a bunch, and trying to write some kind of script for if there is no conviction
so that’s what I’ve been doing
Phoenix Woman @ 9
Did anyone think it odd that Tom Ney passed the offer given to Karl Rove, and not, for instance, the Sec o State?
If I were David Shuster I’d start trying to dump Hardball to become the political reporter for Countdown – being at the mercy of Tweety’s political agenda/obsessions and suffering through his constant interruptions and disrespect must be pretty aggravating.
While they are circling around, maybe they could arrange to drop Deadeye off here.
What’s John Bolton up to now?
Teresa @ 37
[snark]
I had 20 ten vision till I reached about 45 years old, now my vision is not so good
how long have you been having these site problems[/snark]
Shooter to Al Qaeda: Now is as good a time as any. How many planes do you need? Call 202-Kar-rove to make arrangements.
bejammin075 @ 5
I would say it’s probably because exposing Brewster Jennings, while it was very damaging, wasn’t a crime. It was, in fact, something that Novak could just go look up, once he knew Valerie Wilson was CIA. We don’t have an Official Secrets Act in this country (which is a good thing), so the acts that should be firing offenses at minimum and under specific circumstances, crimes, involve transfer of information from those who are authorized to know it to those who aren’t.
Exposing information that was secret for good reason was an appalling and scummy act by Novak, but if the information is out there in the non-classified world, it’s not a crime.
Not sure about what happens when we get the Libby verdict.. If he’s found innocent of all charges then the winger spin will be loud and obnoxious. If found guilty, Fitz be dismissed as an out of control partisan prosecutor who needs to be stopped.
And Yes, Virginia, I think Marcy’s right – Fitz has more up his sleeve.
That would definitely get the WH’s attention!
I doubt he’d announce anything on the same day about a larger investigation, but he may hint at it.
This waiting is really, really hard!
Well asked CHS #41. I would be highly surprised if Fitz stops or Congress stops now, assuming a LIBBY GUILTY AS SIN verdict. If not, my feeling is that many bets are off. Not a surefire stop, but a big wind-outta-the-sails moment. But leave us think POSITIVE!!!
Hey johnSwifty and Balrog and Pheonix Woman:
Looks like another Minnesotan, suzinmpls @ 27.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
Totally OT, but this is great news!
Today, organizers of Yearly Kos ‘07 are announcing an unprecedented forum featuring potential 2008 presidential candidates. From the press release:
“We are inviting the presidential candidates to join in a first of its kind dialogue with citizens and the netroots,” said Gina Cooper, YearlyKos Convention Executive Director. “Successful candidates are learning to authentically engage citizens in an emerging, increasingly participatory society, and we want to ensure that technological progress brings about meaningful social change.”
To foster a conversation that has the breadth, depth, and authenticity of a diverse voting public, this event, marking the first ever collaborative presidential forum with both a respected blogger and a leading member of the traditional media, will be moderated by Matt Bai, writer for The New York Times Magazine and author of a forthcoming book on Democratic politics, and Joan McCarter, contributing editor at Daily Kos. Dr. Jeffrey Feldman, author and blogger at Frameshopisopen.com, will ask questions submitted in advance from tens of thousands of blog readers and will facilitate questions from convention attendees.
Organizers are also asking the candidates to spend time in individual, unscripted “citizen dialogues” with convention attendees, encouraging substantive discussions that transcend the competitive nature of most joint appearances on the campaign trail. The events and conference are open to media and blog coverage.
I’m way behind here reading posts (connectivity issues) but when I saw that picture of Peterr, I felt compelled to warn him that tinfoil only makes it worse, MIT students researched this.
here’s the link:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
love the picture!
go Peterr
And John Forde!
bleever @ 23
Actually, he’s got the gatekeeper’s lodge. The Shrub said it was because he “spics Spanish — hehe” and Babs says he can do the lawn while he’s there.
Pretty sure thats not Peterr in the picture, I have seen it before.
Not sure about what happens when we get the Libby verdict.. If he’s found innocent of all charges then the winger spin will be loud and obnoxious. If found guilty, Fitz be dismissed as an out of control partisan prosecutor who needs to be stopped.
Which is why we need to have Fitz’s back.
Teresa @ 37
Works fine for me. Have you tried reloading the page?
Christy Hardin Smith @
40
I’m guessing he was referring to this comment from the 10/28/05 Fitz press conference:
“I can tell you, the substantial bulk of the work in this investigation is concluded.”
Which, of course, doesn’t say what he seems to think it says.
This is way of topic but I got this note from Lara Logan after sending her on through CBS news. I think she feels really hammered over the criticism of the media over there. I hope I lifted her spirits.
Here I am sitting in Baghdad and I want you to know that your note did
indeed reach me, and I really appreciate your taking the time and
trouble to write.
It means a lot to know there are people out there who recognize the time
and hard work that you put in – and I can tell you that I do put my life
and soul into my stories.
This is high praise indeed, and I am very touched. Thank you.
I wish you well and hope you keep watching.
Take care,
Lara
Biodun @ 51
I’ll throw a hotdish on the stove.
707!Balrog @ 26
707!!
Once again, What’s he building in there…?
http://tinyurl.com/35h22b
Bustednuckles @ 57
oh
*nevermind*
HotFlash @ 42 Did anyone think it odd that Tom Ney passed the offer given to Karl Rove, and not, for instance, the Sec o State?
We have a Secretary of State?
Come on be serious.
That would mean, among other things, that we have a State Department.
Elliott @ 54
What picture of Peterr? That’s not me up top.
(I have to use more tin foil, FWIW, as the signals from DC get distorted out here on the Left Coast.)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
Thank you, Christy
So.
Who do our firepups nominate for casting in the major roles of the
(INEVITABLE)
film version of our Libby/Cheney saga?
Like who should play Fitz?
Agent Bond?
EmptyWheel?
Title suggestions?
Marcy writes the screenplay.
Re chabord #61 —
(((Lara Logan)))
What’s Karl Rove doing? He’s giving a talk at Texas State today…
Mon, February 26 -
Fri, March 2
Communication Studies hosts 19th Annual Communication Week
Featuring Karl Rove, special assistant to the President of the United States. All presentations are free and open to the public.
Shrub: Spending his time riding his bike while the rest of the top-level officials work through a simulated response to a terrorist attack, helpfully providing an accurate simulation of what he would be doing if that really happened.
(Stolen from Randi Rhodes, but entirely true.)
Nice hat!
I took a phone call in the middle of posting this in the last thread, so I was EPUed by 20 minutes:
CNN just conducted a live interview with an Info Ops officer from 82nd Airborne, Lt. Col. Tammy Heath, who is on the ground at Bagram AFB.
She says Cheney was over a mile away from the suicide bomber. She said he wasn’t the target – it was a coincidence that he was there. The very first thing she said was that she expressed her sincere condolences to the families of those injured or killed in the blast. American soldiers were the target – not the VP.
As far as what all of the involved are probably doing while waiting for the jury to come back… my guess would be that they’re drawing up their various spin responses to the verdict. Rove and co. is spinning in circles just to figure out how to handle the Bagram blast – first Cheney’s a target, then he’s not… they know this is yet another reminder to us that Bush has neglected and ignored Afghanistan, and with the British moving out of Iraq to go to Afghanistan, and the Canadians making rumbling about wanting to leave Afghanistan in 2008, you have to wonder how they’re going to justify building up more presence in Iraq and depleting resources from Afghanistan.
Oh, I’m being silly. I forgot that Rove doesn’t have to justify anything – they just do it and ignore the reprocussions later. Silly me.
Is there a better authority on the accepted community standard for bunkers and undisclosed locations than Dick Cheney? I think not.
perris @ 46
I have that kind too :)
I really am having FDL site problems…
Peterr @ 67
I’m sorry, I thought that was you and you were at MIT.
Don’t get more tinfoil, they concluded that tinfoil actually amplified the signals.
re: “FBI Agent Deborah Bond is making a list and checking it twice, preparing for Fitz’s next act: “My name is Bond. Deborah Bond. We’ve got a few questions we’d like to ask you . . .” (And Yes, Virginia, I think Marcy’s right – Fitz has more up his sleeve.)”
She’s stirring rather than shaking, I presume.
Hah! First time I read that one. Good.
leah @ 71:
Karl Rove and communication studies?
707!
chaboard @
60
I read that to mean that most of the information gathering phase is done. Most of the relevent documents have been collected. Most of the people involved have been questioned. Now, all we have to do is assemble a narrative and fill in the chinks.
“SUPPORT THE TROOPS!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkroOQT-84Q
S.O.S. in MA @ 50
You’ve learned about the Scottish Defense, now observe the Irish Offense.
Take notes.
everhopeful @ 43
Schuster: Incoming leader of MTP… just sayin’.
Media doesn’t dare have more grownups on like Lara Logan. Their star puppets would look too much like warmed over crap in comparison.
SOS in MA – I think Jim Preston @ 17 might have been looking for you.
If I remember my morse code correctly, that is.
;)
hey at least it’s not o/t
Gratuitous Kitty Pic
Rove is still counting the “real numbers”
And Yes, Virginia, I think Marcy’s right - Fitz has more up his sleeve.Amen… Katie bar the door.
ironranger @ 84
This is how I remember journalists back when they were my heroes. What could have gone so terribly worng?
dorothy @ 61
The MSM continues to distinguish itself:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16…../newsweek/
Newsweek currently has a piece on Ms. Logan in which they prominently mention that she was a “swimsuit model.” Oh, yeah, and she got blowed up, too.
BTW, has Novakula ever worked as a Chippendale’s dancer? Inquiring minds want to know!
What’s Bush up to that he has to send Cheney out?
Oh, dear. Dangerstein rides again, with an assist from the clueless right-wing enablers at the Politico (via Greg Sargent.) Did you know that bloggers are meanies, and the Democrats should shut us out? ‘Cause the Dems were winning so many more elections when they listened to guys like Dangerstein than since they started listening to us (at least a little.)
For me, I found today’s “assassination attempt” on Dick Cheney to be… er, shall we say, a tad problematic?
First off, it was all over every wire service and cable news network in moments, that OMIGOD! AN ATTEMPT ON THE VICE-PRESIDENT’S LIFE!! This, before THIS:
Hmm. Methinks Major Mitchell will be having a career
crisisevolution, soon. Ten bucks sez he didn’t clear that one with the White House, first.Now, watch for an orgy of sympathetic State Media treatment of our tragic, Victimized Veep. Ah, it all calls to mind Reichstag fires, and assassination attempts on Der Fuhrer (”They try. Oh, they try!”– L.S.D., “The Producers”).
Too paranoid? Too shrill? Uh-huh. But you gotta admit: no one’s talking about the OVP’s criminal manipulation of the media, as revealed in the Libby trial, anymore. Color the VP one happy Dick, about that, I’m sure.
Russert is certainly in deep shit. If the jury returns a not guilty verdict, Russert will have to explain to what little audience he has left that the jury must have come to the conclusion that Russert lied under oath. That will certainly boost his credibility as well as NBCs.
I have it on good authority (from the molar transmitter) that even the lawyers are getting a bit bonkers from the waiting. According to one of the paralegals, Fitz is actually looking forward to the 1st INTRASQUAD! games at the Metz camp. So how about them Aspens?
peterr, you know the old law of physics which says if you get too tired of waiting for your bus, just light up a cigarette and it will come before you’ve had three pokes? Could someone light up here?
PS, is this the first thread to be EPU’d from the beginning?
Vickie Toensing will be given Richard Cohen’s spot on the Op-Ed page.
Byron York obsessively/compulsively conditions his hair with Wella Balsam as he waits for the verdict.
Eleven years from now, Defense Secretary Liz Cheney will invade Afghanistan to kill those Taliban who tried to assassinate her dad.
Fitz drinks venti coffee after venti coffee and debates what tie he will wear for his statement on the courthouse steps.
Christy@40:
You wanna know why I’ve developed a genuwine crush on all the regulars around here? Because of everything exemplified by this response. You cannot be bamboozled. In the mildest, also on occasion snarkiest way, you stand your ground, you have sensational memories and you know your stuff.
Yes! (and I count on it, too)
Neil @ 88. I selected CODE rather than QUOTE and it looks cool but I don’t understand the purpose of CODE. Can someone explain it to me?
Paraguay, not Mexico, is the hideout of choice for the current war criminals. Cheney seems to be dodging bullets no matter where he goes. I bet he puts in for a combat medal. I wonder if he’ll check into Walter Reed for his next heart attack? I’m waiting and waiting for a verdict. I want to see Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! at the top of Firedoglake!!
Some say David Addingtons resume has been spotted inside Scaifes office, AIPAC, and Babs Comstocks PR firm since the CIA refused to allow him a chief torture position.
Peterr @ 85
I done forgot 99% of my Morse Code (used to be a Ham Novice) but omigod, methinx yer right Peterr! Yo Preston! Gots to step out for awhile, hold the verdict pls :)
chaboard @ 60
We still have Sealed v. Sealed…
chaboard @
60
New poster here, though been reading since Jeralyn linked to here during the closing arguments. Fitz just said that he has most if not all of the information needed for the investigation, but before anything else can be done, he has to establish what the truth is behind Libby’s role in it–hence “give the truth back”. Once he has the truth, he’d then be able to move forward with the underlying crime, IMO.
Rove’s been busy leading the New Orleans reconstruction effort. Since it’s not recostructed, I assume he’s still busy.
Tim Russert? I heard from a Media Source that Tim’s polishing up his whiteboard…
like this?
What I keep coming back to, is that all this started out as an investigation of a serious crime: the leak of a covert (amazing all the tapdancing through smoke and mirrors around this fact) agent’s status. And we are no closer – at least in the legal system – to justice being served. No closer to the removal of the top perps (read Cheney and Bush) from office, and stopping the ongoing damage. We’re still in the prelims.
As has been said many times before, justice delayed is justice denied.
The CNN headline screaming “Taliban Targeted Cheney” in rocket attack in Afganistan just awhile ago couldn’t be designed to elicit sympathy per chance – Oh silly me!
Neil@98, CODE is for displaying computer code; it loox niftier than BLOCKQUOTE is all.
value_man_98,
A hyperlink (often referred to as simply a link), is a reference or navigation element in a document to another section of the same document, another document, or a specified section of another document, that automatically brings the referred information to the user when the navigation element is selected by the user. As such it is similar to a citation in literature, but with the distinction of automatic instant access. Combined with a data network and suitable access protocol, a computer can be instructed to fetch the resource referenced.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink
DickC is flying around trying to get out from under that cloud Fitzie mentioned.
S.O.S. in MA @ 36
I think he used the Google to find a safe place to play CRAZY EIGHTS.
Re: Lara Logan:
From the Newsweek link @ 90:
Everyone always talks about how pretty Lara Logan is. Oh yes, just another “ditzy blonde.”
About Cheney’s unmarked plane for the trip to Pakistan and Afghanistan (via Froomkin):
Well, that seems appropriate…
S.O.S. in MA @ 108
I see, it’s just selects a typeface, that’s all. I thought it might be transcribed into a CODE that could be
deciferedonly bydirtyf*ckinhippiesandliberalbloggers, not that they’re always different. /snarkRe Redshift #112 — and there’s a palanquin-bearer squad of Marines all named Sharpton who take him in and out of the cargo door… The bearers all come with the plane, donchaknow :)
Hey! Maybe Cheney is a fugitive from justice! Maybe the minute he touches down in the US he’s going to be arrested. (although, there is apparently nothing stopping us from capturing him and sending him to a former Soviet satellite for some good natured fraternity pranks.)
S.O.S. in MA @ 115
707! Awesome!
Hey Neil #113, I take offense on behalf of all dirty f*kin hippy liberal bloggers!!
There was a cartoon linked from Froomkin awhile back that showed a titanic hitting an iceberg. With the Libby trial being the tip of the iceberg, and the war in Iraq as the huge ice mass underneath.
I can’t help but wonder what Fitz has that we don’t see. The Libby trial has exposed the people that talked to Libby. It doesn’t show us who Cheney called / who called Cheney. We don’t know what occured in other interviews. Cheney had his own breifer, his own direct contacts… There’s so much we don’t know – because PJF stayed within the 4 corners of the indictment.
Jeez, didn’t even finish my metaphor. I was going to add that the iceberg graphic, what we know from the Libby trial is the tip of the iceberg. I wonder what else Fitz might have already that lurks underneath the surface.
Neil @ 98
CODE should put text into a fixed-width font, like Courier. It’s useful when printing computer code (a) so it stands out as distinct, and (b) so you can see the formatting and indentation, which is important for code readibility.
GeekyObject(int a, long b) {
long beta;
this.a == 42;
beta = random(0, 100);
this.b == beta * 20.0;
}
Hrm, preview reveals that my glorious whitespace has been trimmed. Someone has been mucking about with the CSS to produce non-standard behavior! My inner geek is going to have a nervous breakdown…
Redshift @ 113:
The Spirit of Strum Thurmond.
Oh oh. Paging the Rev. Al Sharpton through the centuries!
Cheney is planning Iran war, and discussing specifics with other heads of state. He’s *not* running from the Libby trial.
Though we would be better off if he was.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
I love you, Christy. This is so much more eloquent than the “who says?” I was opting for…
Cheney would rather dodge bomb attacks abroad than face justice at home.
Cheney has been getting his ass spanked, thats what he has been doing.
Take for example the receptions received in Japan, Australia and his old buddy in Pakistan.
Biodun #121 — ’twas me point in my #114 :) :)
S.O.S. in MA @ 49
Yeah, here’s a pleasant thought. Even if Fitz can’t/won’t continue — I think he will, he has a mandate* and it does not appear to be fulfilled yet — then Congress can pick up where he left off. And *we* can hound them to do so.
* which I quote since it’s .pdf, but here’s an html link to all the appointment docs.
Isn’t that pretty? I do not believe that Patrick Fitzgerald is finished. I think he’s just starting.
Can Fitz have already obtained a sealed indictment (e.g. against Cheney) that he’s just sitting on until the outcome of this trial? Is that legal?
Balrog @ 62
I’ll add some lefsa. (sp)
Biodun @ 112
Talk about beautiful. Now THIS was a lovely moment in TeeVee news:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..t-charges/
bob @ 129
It wouldn’t surprise me if he had a sealed indictment against *somebody*.
Cheney is flying around waiting to be raptured up to the Emperor’s Ship, which is lurking somewhere behind the Sun.
Terry Olson #129 LUTEFISK ALERT!! Run away, run awayyy!!
S.O.S. in MA @ 119
On behalf of all the dirty f*cking hippies and liberals bloggers, I apologize to all the dirty f*cking hippies and liberal bloggers for my anger and their anger and for joke line, whose
long, slow learning curvehas never stopped him for admonishing the dirty f*cking hippies and liberal bloggers for their anger and potty mouths nor stopped him from advising them (us) how to behave. Thanks joke line, it’s nice to know you care and nice to know you know better.S.O.S in MA @ 127:
I know. I saw your post after I posted mine. That’s how it works in FDL. If you’re not fast you get scooped. Just like that.
Dee @ 123
When I see this stuff coming from Christy, I always flash back to the first time she was on Washington Journal with that nit from Powerline, and he said something spurious –
I see the flush coming to her cheeks and her eyes widen and then…
out comes the smack!
Love it, love it, love it.
Reading about the uproar over U.S. Attys being fired. Do you think the administration would have the guts to sack Fitz after the verdict comes in? or is he safe in Chicago?
Hot Flash @128:
In spreading out our thank-yous to deserving parties, we should remember not to leave out James Comey. I don’t even want to think about the situation that we’d be in if he hadn’t appointed Fitz and given him plenary powers.
Okay, we’re gettin’ real close to looking at four 1/2 days of deliberations w/o a verdict. This would seem to indicate that the jurors do not see quite as compelling a case against Libby as most of us do. Bummer.
Mr Cheney is the unindicted co-conspirator, yes?
Did you see where Cheney was inside a trailer chained and bolted to the floor of a huge transnport for his flight to Afghanistan? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Talk about mobile weapons labs. hahahahahahaha
Jacqrat @ 137
yes, it was a beautiful thing.
S.O.S. in MA @ 133
No, no, no — lefse is the plain-tasting norwegian tortilla-like thing, but lutefisk is the
biological warfarelye-soaked fishy thing.jayacoop @ 140
Or, that they’re being very careful and going through an assload of masking tape and post-its.
dorothy: I always imagine what tv audiences decades ago would have thought if Walter Conkrite (or any of the others at the time) had shouted “Let’s play hardball!” at the beginning of the newscast. There would have been much astonishment & ridicule, not just from american viewers but from George Will & crowd as well.
Using the John Gibson criteria, newspaper journalists and network newscasters at the time were all snobs.
Mason @ 76
yellowdog jim @ 68
I want Frances McDormand for Agent Bond.
First Japan, then Australia, Pakistan and Afghanistan. People might start to believe Cheney’s avoiding being in the US when the Libby verdict comes in.
139 Jayacoop: not necessarily so. Don’t forget that much of yesterday was a wash, with the juror problem in the morning, her dismissal, then the power outage.
With several charges and a lot of the evidence being testimony, I’m not surprised it would take 5 good days of deliberations to make sure they have everything down. Since it sounds like there are several highly-educated analytical types on the jury, it seems normal to me that they’d go through a lot of detail and want to be very precise. They’d probably rather be careful and methodical rather than rushed.
My initial guess was that today was verdict day – I still wouldn’t be surprised if one comes in later this afternoon, or more likely tomorrow.
Well it seemed like a good idea… The topic for this thread, that is.
Alas, nothing the most demented minds ’round these parts could possibly invent would be nearly as bizarre as what they have actually done these last 6 or so years.
jayacoop @ 140
all it really means is that there’s a hold out, everyone else might think the case is compelling
wing nuts are really pecular, they will defend thier standard barer no matter what they’ve done to this country
S.O.S. in MA @ 134
I’d like to thank you for bringing up that traumatic memory from my childhood once more…
-S
Sparkles the Iguana @ 143
There is only so much wall space in the jury room.
Re: Lara Logan:
From the crooksandliars link by mc @ 131:
Good for her. She’s a native of South Africa. She should know.
TheOtherWA @ 147
what worries me:
Is this trip is all about WWIII?
Yes, but on the other hand, can you see them going through the details in a painstaking way and then saying: “Well, he was busy and he forgot”? My uneducated guess — IANAAC (I am not an Art Curator) — would be that they do acquit him on some but not all of the charges.
OT– protestors in the hearing room on cspan3– one just escorted out.
(Pace, Gastes and Rice to testify with Byrd as chairman of Appropriations)
Speaking of codes and spies and all that, check out the numbers stations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station
yellowdog jim: I’m still voting for Bjork as Judy Judy Judy. Every time I see Miller, I think of Bjork in that weird swan costume, for some odd reason.
Darryl Hammond has to fill the role of Cheney. His impersonation is that good.
If Ron Howard could pull off the dramatic flair, he’d be a good Fitz. :) Otherwise, James Woods isn’t a bad call.
Notta Flatlander @ 148
That’s what the late Art Buchwald kept saying about Watergate. He had a great series of columns, where a screenwriter would try to pitch a movie to a producer in Hollywood. “There’s this president, he’s up for reelection, he’s got a 30 point lead in the polls, and he sends a group of burglars to break into the opponent’s HQ and plant some listening devices.” Says the producer: “Oh, come on — no one would believe that!”
Art and Molly must be having a great time together, swapping stories about the columns they’d be doing today if they were still here.
Guess we’ll have to write those ourselves.
Peterr @ 142
Ya, I thought they were diff things; my only defense is that I was flashing to all those Garrison Keillor routines that trained me to think wrong stuff like “If lefsa comes, can lutefisk be far behind?” Arigato, [what’s the scandinavian term for sensei]?? :) :)
Fitz will pursue the leak to the end. I still think the smart money is on him. The strategy was his choosing. We know he went after Libby becuase it was his best path to Cheney, the real evil doer. We know Fitz knows why Armitage is not on the block. (I wish we did…do we?) I think Fitz finishes the job with his reputation and record in tact.
The House and Senate are trying to withdrawal war authorization to put the breaks on the surge and other secret wars… Iran? This step if successful, makes it extremely difficult for W and Cheney to initiate new operations.
But WHO, I repeat who, will find a way to hold these war criminals for taking the country to war in Iraq on false pretenses. Lying to congress is a felony offense. How will this case be brought? Did someone say John Conyers and Elizabeth Holtzman and Liz de la Vega? Hello? anyone?
#158 James Woods isn’t fit to shine Fitz’s shoes! Bleccch, ptooey.
angie @ 155
I watched Sen.Byrd pleading w/ other senators not to vote for AUMF in 10/02.I had no idea the man was a prophet.He called it right 5 years ago.Even said the cost was to be between $6-9 bill. a month
mc at 131–
THANK YOU for that marvelous, beautiful link.
I heart LL!
HotFlash @ 146
I want Frances McDormand for Agent Bond.
Yah, pretty good there.
Mason at 139 — Amen.
Pat_AlexVA @ 119
My guess is that Cheney’s version of events given to the FBI differed from Libby’s, and that’s why Cheney was never called by Comstock’s defense. They couldn’t both be telling the truth. One was going down.
Marcy seems to hint that it was Plame’s identity that really got insta-declassed, not (or maybe in addition to) the NIE. If Cheney told Fitz that, and even if he did not, then either way there’s p r o b l e m s with it.
Chances are excellent that neither of them – Libby or Cheney – told the truth and that’s where we could see more indictments handed down.
In the baseball analogy PJF talked a lot about intent. Why exactly did the pitcher throw the ball at the batter’s head? A mistake? A history of bad blood between the two players? Retribution for a pitch in the top half of the inning? (etc) The umpire can’t tell, because someone is throwing sand in his face.
In your analogy, I also don’t believe Fitz has revealed the full iceberg yet, and that it is a big one! The intent was almost surely an attempt to deflect and discredit the charge Wilson made, which was so damn serious – but only if true!
W sought out a sympathetic shoulder to cry on – strong and comforting – Jeff Gannon!
jayacoop @
140
Please continue to be patient. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a verdict until the jury has deliberated for a week. I don’t believe that we can reasonably assume anything right now except that the jury is doing its job.
I’m a little surprised that the jury hasn’t sent out a note requesting clarification on the meaning of a jury instruction. Most juries in the federal cases that I’ve tried sent out questions at some point. Most of the time the judges respond with, “I have instructed the jury. Please review my instructions.”
Judges are reluctant to explain the instructions because they fear committing reversible error. Just expect a huge media hullaballoo if the jury sends out a question. I’m sure we’ll play the speculation game too. Gee, they must be about to . . ., if they asked that question. It’ll give us something new to speculate about, if they do.
John Forde @
33
Here’s my take on it (and see the links to the earlier posts). If I had to guess, I’d guess they’re in disagreement about the Cooper charges.
Dru @ 162
Agreed. Woods would keep me away from the theater.
No, it has to be Jeff Bridges.
LandOfTheFree @ 158
i love Bjork as Miller.
being perfectly less-than-hip to the latest cool folks, i need all the help we can get.
my suggestions are all too old:
like paul newman circa butch and sundance for fitz.
thanks for Your entries in our casting call.
I happen to be the proud owner of an old vhs tape of “How to Talk Minnesotan” based on Howard Mohr’s best selling book which includes a hotdish segment. It was made quite awhile ago but still pretty accurately spoofs Minnesotan quirks. I think native Minnesotans laugh the hardest watching it, visitors kind of scratch their heads.
RE: Hotflash @ 146.
I second your motion. Frances McDormand would be perfect.
LandOfTheFree @ 158:
“If Ron Howard could pull off the dramatic flair, he’d be a good Fitz. :) Otherwise, James Woods isn’t a bad call.”
John C. Reilly would be a good “Fitz”.
no, no, and no – John Cusack has to play Fitz, although I’ve been thinking about Liev Schreiber of late
Mason @ 173
Frances McDormand is always perfect.
Diane Lane to play Valerie Plame
emptywheel @ 170
Thank you, Marcy. Hearing from you makes this easier to bear.
Cheney will soon run out of countries where he will not be subject to an arrest for war crimes and be forced to go back to Australia and start over. If they can just delay the verdict until January 2009 world peace may break out.
James Woods is a match for Fitz when it comes to IQ but not at all when it comes to temperament.
And I can see Clive Owen as Fitz.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman plays Rove
cbl @
176
Okay, okay… I was suggesting Jeff Bridges, but I have to admit that Liev Schreiber really would be great. Not John Cusack, though. I love him, but not to play Fitz.
ooow. I like the idea of John Cusack for Fitz. He can pass for irish american with a little makeup and research learning the reminents of a brooklyn accent after four years of Amherst and three of Haarvahd.
I like Clive Owen for Fitz too…..
Yellowdogjim: I’ll play the casting game. Fun.
Scooter Libby: Bill Macy
Dick Cheney: John Malkovich (He did evil so well in Dangerous Liaisons. They can put him in a fatsuit.)
Karl Rove: Alec Baldwin
David Addington: John Turturro
Mary Matalin: Lorraine Bracco (Cause Mary’s just got to be in the movie)
Emptywheel: Jodie Foster
Brewster-Jennings was not “leaked” — it was Valerie’s cover employer. In other words, any document that Valerie had to list her employer on, she’d put down “Brewster-Jennings”. In other words, a simple public records search (one of those $9.95 internet specials) would have come up with the name B-J as Val’s “employer”.
Thus, anyone who knew that Valerie was a CIA operative merely had to do a public records search to get the name “Brewster-Jennings”…and from there it would take maybe an hours worth of research to find out that the company didn’t really exist….
Is the stock market going kaput today to take the pressure off Cheney?
politicalpolyanna @ 175
Ick, nooooooooooooooooooooooo.
excellent punaise !
and Jeff Bridges would make a great Ambassador Wilson, although he’s able to summon the earnest thingy at will, so not a bad choice for Fitz at all – and how about letting someone like Joan Allen or Judy Davis play the Queen of All Iraq ?
and Neil & Karen – go back and listen to the Indictment presser, just close your eyes while The Fitz is speaking . . .sound familiar ?
OT
Dow 12,169.77 462.49 (3.66%)
http://finance.yahoo.com/
Holy sh*t : (
Phillip S Hoffman does smart evil well. He’d be a good Rove.
Robert Paehlke @ 180
He can go to Antartica to make sure there aren’t any radical penquins.
Where can I order one of those hats?
And as for David Shuster, I vote “war profiteering”, it will keep Cheney on the hotseat, even if he’s still flying around in AF2 looking for somehwere there are no laws, to land.
Mason @ 169
correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the judge send a videotape of the jury instructions in with the jury?
Stingray, I keep thinking back to Libby / Cheney conversation on AF2. Does PJF have more details on the extent of Cheney’s knowledge of Plame’s identity? Are there any players we don’t know about yet?
Is the most important word in all of this investigation the word… “Knowingly”? That’s my question.
Check again: 540 down now.
Celtic Music – excellent choices, but Patricia Clarkson is fated to play Matalin ;)
Neil @ 192
excellent actor, and he has the, uhh, pasty heft to portray Rove.
Neil @ 181
or sex appeal
Crazy Horse @
39
jayacoop @ 140
I don’t take it that way. If you accept that the testimony of ALL the witnesses is relevant to the charges against Libby (which alleged false testimony/statements about only THREE reporters, remember, reduced to TWO), then it would take a fair amount of time. Remember also that they lost a significant part of yesterday morning due to the Tainted Art Lady problem.
Robert Downey Jr. for Fitz.
Forrest Whittaker = Judge Walton.
My husband and I were casting the movie during the Oscars and we selected Eric Bana to play Fitz, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051509/.
Cozumel @ 192
YIKES. I haven’t even been paying attention to this. Greenspan said we might be headed for a recession … wonder if that sparked this.
I don’t think Cheney’s been to Niger yet has he? Or maybe he’s not on a junket.
Dru @ 161
I kind of like Sam Neil as Fitz.
okay
casting is getting complicated.
so far we have
Frances McDormand as Bond.
woods is out as Fitz;
Newman and some Clive guy are up for Fitz …
bjork still has miller.
i am not diligent enough for this and i am already having to google names that are new to me (b. 1951),
AND our 2nd grader needs daddy to pick him up from school …
later!
Neil @ 193
yes
Neil @ 192
An excellent choice. We’re going to have this thing completely cast… and still no verdict.
Mason @ 168
I’m not suggesting they are going to acquit. I am only suggesting that many of us – myself very much included – saw a mostly cut-and-dried case. You can’t learn on Thursday what you discussed on Monday. And once you accept that Libby was lying, intentionally, the other charges fall into line.
They may well be just doing their job. But the time they are taking to do it would seem to indicate that what was plain as day to those of use who are familiar with the facts isn’t quite so obvious to The Eleven.
I HotFlash @ 208
I love Sam Neil but I think he is too old to play Fitz.
cbl @ 191
Judy Davis is brilliant as Judy Miller…
..and I want Jodi Foster to play Valerie…
Aren’t there any older babes in this movie,er…trial?
Great snark Peterr.
Too bad Oliver Hardy isn’t still alive. Put some rimless specs on him and (tah-dah) – Karl Rove.
dow down over 500
What they’re not telling you: Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame will frog-march Cheney down the stairs of Air Force Two, to the wild applause of Kos, Atrios, Jane and Christy waiting on the tarmac.
Fitzmas at last!
Wouldn’t you think an assassination attempt on Cheney would make the market go up? Weird!
I think James Woods is a very good character actor. I could see him being able to convey Fitz’s intensity. Another interesting Fitz could be Liam Neeson. (I don’t know if Cusack could pull of the drama needed… maybe. I’d have a hard time seeing John C. Reilly being the right fit – he strikes me as a little goofy, maybe cuz he always looks drunk in the interviews I’ve seen of him. I don’t know who Liev Schreiber is).
Definitely Frances McDormand for EW. Maybe Michele Pfeifer or Felicity Huffman or Patricia Wettig as Jane?
Scooter could be played by William H. Macy. (If Felicty Huffman played Jane, then we could have Colbert cover the Felicty H. Muffman filming).
kristinejoy @ 198
Holy shit.
jayacoop @ 140
If we get to Friday without hearing anything, I will start to fret.
Meanwhile, there are numerous charges, each to be considered individually, and a fair bit of testimony. I were one of those jurors, and had any idea of how much is riding on this verdict, and how much scrutiny there will be, I would want to make pretty damn sure all the bases were covered. And there is every indication that they are a conscientious bunch.
Elliott @ 154
That is my fear also.
Iran invasion leads to massive fuel increases >$200/bbl).
Foreign demand for T-bills (Need 90 billion/mo – down to 13 billion IIRC as of 12/7) tanks. UC citizens who think Suez is a new starlet and think the sterling crisis is from silver in the dishwasher watch their economy collapse.
And in Iraq – Stalingrad on the Tigris. The Air Force religious fanatics (and the Naval bomb boys) got their splendid attack on Persia – and sacrificed US forces in Mesopotamia.
And from Iran – global retaliation via assymetrical warfare.
In the US – economic chaos, antiwar protests, general protests – and last December Shrubco got control of National Guard units taken form governors.
Cheney despises our government and our Constitution. I believe he would thrust the nation and the planet into global war, and count on martial law to protect him.
And today I fear that is exactly what he will do in the weeks and months to come. The carrier groups can’t stay off Iran forever – leaving without war will look like a climbdown (for the macho idiots of the GOP).
For Cheney and Bush to have their full Truman/ Washington/ Lincoln apotheosis – and to save their skins – they need a war with Iran – before the carrier groups have to leave.
How are things with the jury watch at the court house – any recent reports?
All I want for my b’day tomorrow is a guilty verdict on at least the majority of counts. But of course a verdict today would just be the cat’s meow!
I love Judy Davis as Judy Miller.
Sam Neil is too old, he is 60; I just checked that.
Liam Neeson has the intelligence and intensity to pull off Fitz but he too is too old.
litigatormom @ 219
Tell Georgie to put his bike in the garage and come inside now – time to be presidential.
Elliott @
201
Exactly. I didn’t want to mention it, but…
However, both Bridges and Schreiber do.
I realize this is a complex question, but hopefully people can weigh in.
Since the sentences for each of the charges against Libby would likely be served concurrently, is there a practical difference in Fitzgerald’s leverage to negotiate a plea deal if Libby is convicted on all five charges, rather than two, three, or four?
And, yes, I realize that Bush may pardon Libby. Let’s just leave that out of the analysis for now, please. Thanks.
Wonderful headline (parts found were head and hand):
Body parts found in San Diego may be connected, police say
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Apparently the Dow thing is because of (a) Chinese market drop and (b) housing stuff here (sales, construction).
p.lukasiak @ 214
I like Jodi for Jane, tho
I can’t see Jeff Bridges as Fitzgerald. I can see Clint Eastwood, however. Eastwood has that underlying intensity and the scary eyes. You know that you’re dealing with one scary hombre when his voice gets quieter and deeper when he’s mad.
The stock market is going hooey today because there was a major selloff in China. Shanghai’s stock market took a huge dive, and we’re reacting. After all, China owns our debt.
This is to add to to the question about Brewster Jennings at #48. I copied this post from Feb 20th, but don’t know how to confirm that Mr. Murder’s information is accurate.
Mr.Murder says:
February 20th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Brewster Jennings was probably who caught Altanmia(a company Marv Bush was on board of, and who has the KBR gasoline contract for Iraq wrt American Military).
Altanmaia was stopped at the Kuwaiti border with banned WMD and their precursors falsely labeled as NGO material including mislabeled Red Cross materials…
altanmia mining
marvin bush board member
wmd shipment to iraq after we invaded; turned back in Kuwait at the border to Iraq to the Kuwait side it was coming from…
that is who Brewster outed…
Cheney was trying to stage a false flag through a company AWOL’s bro ran that had the fuel import contract for our military in Iraq.
Outing Plame was his revenge even more in that sense.
I’m still voting for Bjork as Judy Judy Judy. Every time I see Miller, I think of Bjork in that weird swan costume, for some odd reason.
Bjork does her best to stay away from the bushes and osamas.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 144
They have to be so careful to study the evidence since this is such a high profile case even though the MSM isn’t treating like one. I want the jury to study the facts. If you start feeling hopeless, go back and read the closing transcripts from the trial. Look at the exhibits. Watch Fitzies press conference. It is a very strong case. The jury wants to be sure. There is nothing wrong with that
p.lukasiak @ 213
We can finance the film by auctioning off the juror parts.
ClMason @ 230
Clint Eastwood is 70 years old. If you have a time machine, it’s a great choice.
Newspaperbrat, tomorrow is my mother’s birthday as well. I am taking her to a late lunch/early dinner at 2:30 tomorrow so I’m sure that’s when the vedict will come in. :(
Hope you have a good birthday and I hope you get your present in the next two hours!
Jane S. @ 225
Jeez, I saw Sam on DVD just the other day and he didn’t look that old to me.
Christy Hardin Smith @
40
i heard in some msm format shortly after fitz’s press conference last year that he extended the lease on his dc office by 2 years – that puts him in dc into 2008
Byrd:
every dime, every dime for these wars has been borrowed. (He’s on a righteous rant and keeps pausing when saying the ‘global war’…..’on terra’.)
Under the preznit’s plan there is no end in sight. No plan for diplomacy, engagement, etc.
After all the billions of dollars that have been spent, we are not even close to providing security for either country.
Now talking about the lack of care of our wounded soldiers when they come home.
(He’s mighty po’ed.)
Talks about all of the failed policies of this administration and sez that Congress is not blind– Congress is not a rubberstamp or a Presidential lapdog, obediant and unquestioning. Oversight is one of our most important responsibilities and oversight, oversight, oversight has been missing for far too long.
Cochran bloviating now about success, short and not-so-sweet.
Have to run.
Mason @
232
And he’s twice his age!
Strategerie @ 151
Okay, true, but the smelt fries were great fun!
Helen Mirren can play the elderly white-haired art curator.
Plukasiak: I initially thought of Jodie Foster for Valerie myself. But when it came to Marcy, it was just Jodie Jodie Jodie.
And you and CBL are spot on with Judy Davis for Judy Miller. Great casting.
Liev Schreiber IMDB INFO LINK
Having a baby with Naomi Watts.
Virginia Madsen would be a good choice to play Plame. See the image below.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/mov…..yspre2.jpg
HotFlash @ 238
Internet movie database is my source. And I just checked Clint Eastwood, he was born in 1930.
retirin’ in five @ 214
There’s always Helen Thomas in the press room, going after Ari and Scottie.
educatedplaintiff @ 239
Presser was in 2005.
Judy=Judy Davis
Jefress=William H. Macy
Cheney=Jack Nicholson
Fitz=Kevin Costner
Scooter’s wife=Lena Olin
Scooter=Wallace Shawn
Mary Matalin=Glenn Close
Sparkles the Iguana @ 244
Or Judy Dench.
Neil @ 246
I love Naomi Watts since I saw her in Tank Girl. How about Naomi as Marcy?
obsessed @ 250
Cheney=Jack Nicholson
707!
kirk murphy @ 224
and then they’ll call off the 2008 election
*xyz @
248
That’s it! She’s the one!
obsessed @ 250
Kevin Costner is too old and the actor who plays Fitz has to be believable as a super smartie.
2 things: Hi all!
*xyz at 229 — It really depends on what charges Libby is convicted of whether there is any leverage regarding sentence — if that is what you mean by plea deal. There is still a guidelines analysis and whether there is any “acceptance of responsibility” or “Material assistance” with the prosecution can still be factored in (or out) of the calculations post-trial.
Considering how long the jury has been out, in my experience, the result is likely either to be a hung jury or a compromise verdict at this point.
On Chenbey — why does everyone believe what they read in th epapers about Cheney’s trip? Isn’t it as possible that the Vice President is meeting with regional allies in order to warn them that they need to get their internal security arrangements in line (especially Pakistan) before the US attacks Iran? Also, air space and land access arrangements would need to be finalized at the highest level before any strike on Iran.
OK, maybe that was three things….
Peterr at 250.
Well,…. not quite that old, please. Sixty-ish would do nicely.
Allison In Seattle @ 123
ouch! rings true, dammit
Byrd is a great speaker. He’s one of the senators I look most forward to watching on CSPAN. Still the best time I’ve seen him was when he was lambasting the senate before the Iraq invasion: ‘we are on the forefront of war – why are these senate halls so quiet?‘ majorly paraphrased, but my god he was right.
I like Virginia Madsen as Plame.
immanentize – thanks and good to see you!
I think you want an unknown as Fitz. A fresh face. An outsider, so to speak. So there’s nothing to distract the viewer from the sudden cry of “Madness! Madness! Madness!” and the tear-jerk ending “Give us the truth back.” It’d be the sort of role that makes a career…
Jane S. @ 238
Patrick Warburton as Patrick Fitzgerald. Really.
-S
Richard Gere would make a great Amb. Wilson
I have never heard of most of the people above. Stopped watching TV around 1974. Don’t go to movies hardly ever. I am ilculturate, pop wise.
I’ve never thought that was a bad thing. So someone please tell me – am I missing any really fabulous snark in the casting?
How about Steve Carell or Stephen Colbert to play Doug Feith ?
HotFlash @ 237
you’re right, it would cost an arm and a leg
Someone’s probably suggested Chris Cooper to play Fitz already, and I think he’d be an excellent choice.
Can Bush pardon Libby if he is named as an Indicted Co-Conspirator?
Perhaps the market is down because it is waking up to the fact, at last, that the House of Cards which is the US Economy is so at risk. If Iram flattens the oil installations because of what Bush/Cheney have done, oil and gas will very speedily be denominated in either Yuan or Euros…. we shall have an instant internal ice age immediately, possibly surpassing 1932 .
I know the Devil makes work for idle hands, but isn’t discussing Who Plays Whom bordering on AN Smith and the Bald Chick?
Karen M @
257
Mmmmm, Virginia Madsen would be a good choice for a lot of things!
Hey Biodun, saw the new MN connection. I was out in the icehouse, pullin in some crappie, doncha know.
new thread
Luskin must be Kevin Spacey.
And computer animators must be used to have Karl Rove be played by the Pillsbury Doughboy.
Strategerie @ 264
I love Patrick Warburton but he will always be Puddy to me.
Jane S. @ 238
Chemicals my dear fellow. Chemicals.
Julianne Moore as Jane Hamsher
Parker Posey as Empty
Rita Wilson as Christy
I’ll nominate Steven Root for Russert, unless Russert would be willing to play himself.
And now back to crying over my bleeding 401(k)…not that there’s really any plus side to a stock market slump, but this is a great time to point out what folly it would be to put our social security money in there. Completely does away with all the ’security’ part of it.
Sparkles the Iguana @
251
oops – thanx for the correction. guess i’m not as educated as i thought.
Celtic Music @ 187
I agree with almost all of these but…
I see Alec Baldwin as Comey and Philip Seymour Hoffman as Rove.
And Frances McDormand as Agent Bond? Absolutely. Her pregnant cop in Fargo was masterful.
And please, not Ron Howard to direct. He demolished “The DaVinci Code” and I was so looking forward to that movie. No, it’s gotta be Eastwood.
Someone said Diane Lane as Valerie. Yep.
And one last thought, Mark Wahlberg as Fitz? Or how ’bout Leo? (Sorry, I’ve got “The Departed” on my mind).
Better refresh, jury might be back…
Whoops I meant UNindicted CoConspirator, of course. I am thinking of the Sealed Knot we are all agog about!
immanentize @ 259
that’s what I’m afraid of.
Diane Lane resembles Valerie Plame.
Patricia Clarkson has better acting chops, however.
How about Phyllis Diller as Babs Comstock.
Nicholson as Addington
Hopkins as Cheney
Tony Soprano guy as Tim Russert
Celtic Music @ 245
Can I just say how flattered I am to think that any one actress could play me and/or the breathtaking Ms. Wilson?
Plus, not being a movie buff, she’s just about the only actress I know besides Susan Sarandon.
jayacoop @
140
I’m not bummed yet. Given their early request for the flip chart and post-its, it sounds like the jury decided to methodically review the testimony, and it could take some time to crunch through all of that. IIRC, the verdict form has subparts to the perjury charges — it’s not enough for them to have the general impression that Scooter is a lying sack of shit, they have to enumerate the turds, so to speak.
mc @ 281
Marky Mark is like 4′8″ Fitz is a giant of a man!
I wonder if they’re all watching CSPAN waiting for Sen. Byrd to say, Dr. Rice, allow me to hand you your ass.
oh wait, that’s me waiting and watching
retirin’ in five @ 259
LBrowne @ 287
They are just feeding them well. They like each other. Why rush?
sofistic @
64
I think of this as an homage to Ken Nordine: http://www.wordjazz.com/
I think that Matthew McConaughey should play Fitz. He’s not a heavy weight as an actor but given the proper role, he’s okay.. Also I have to much respect for Glenn Close to cast her in Matalin’s part..
obsessed @ 249
I can deal with all of these except a big NO on Kevin Costner. He can’t act his way out of a paper bag with a hole in the bottom of it. I cannot watch a movie of his without cringing and seeing “Kevin Costner trying to portray a character” (sort of like Tom Cruise).
What about Ralph Fiennes as Fitz?
Oh, I dunno who Wallace Shawn is, either.
Glenn Close would play a great Mary Matalin.
Love the suggestion by others with Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. That’s delicious.
Anthony Hopkins as Cheney.
here’s my stunt double.
Hillary Swank as Agent Bond
LBrowne @
287
Teehee.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 296
Yes, because then Frances McDormand could play Marcy.
Kevin Costner as Fitz
Judy Davis as Judy Miller
LandOfTheFree @ 292
Wallace Shawn played the Sicilian henchman in The Princess Bride. He is proud owner of The World’s Most Annoying Voice.
Susan Sarandon would be a great EW
I like the idea of J. Foster as Plame or Jane
How about Matt Damon as Fitz and William H. Macy in all the other roles.
OT– Rice ‘announces‘ her new and shiny diplomatic ‘offensive’ and supports the ‘new’ initiative by the Iraqis which will include meeting with Iraq’s neighbors (incl. Syria and Iran– ooooh) the perm 5 of the UN security council, mebbe the G8, and ‘others’ to start in March and in Baghdad.
(yo, shooter– didja hear that?)
mc @
90
Yes, in Weimar Berlin. He singlehandedly started the Great Depression.
Karen M @ 298
or Christy
Diane @
267
yes, he would
obsessed @ 302
Macy would be great in many roles…Libby or Feith heck even Addington
LandOfTheFree @ 293
Yes, particularly if he plays it with a Capotesque flair. And uses the line from that Stiller/Aniston vehicle a lot when he tell’s Ben Stiller’s character, “I just sharted!”
Jeff Bridges as Joe Wilson.
Mark Harmon as Fitz.
Some little rat-faced actor as Libby. I’ll know him when I see him.
Who’s playing Wells?
TJ @ 306
But so would Chris Lawford.
Susan Sarandon is great, but too old to play Marcy, IMHO. I vote for Jodi Foster.
What about Tom Hanks for Fitz? Is he too old? He’s a better actor than Costner.
I’m up with Mark Harmon for Fitz!
fyi Byrd now on cspan2
obsessed @ 302
OK – I like Matt Damon as Fitz. William Macy can be whoever he wants to be.
opposite / ridiculous casting would be much more fun:
Fitz = Jerry Stiller
Libby = Ben Stiller
Reese Witherspoon could play Christy..
johnSwifty @ 308
Memorable quotes for
Along Came Polly (2004)
Sandy Lyle: Reuben, I’m in a situation here. We have to leave now.
Reuben Feffer: No. Can we stay a couple more minutes?
Sandy Lyle: Dude, no. This is serious. I just sharted.
Reuben Feffer: I don’t know what that means.
Sandy Lyle: I tried to fart and a little shit came out. I just sharted. Now let’s go.
Reuben Feffer: You’re the most disgusting person I’ve ever met in my life.
I see that as a conversation Rove might have had with just about anyone.
TJ @ 312
but,but… what about Clive Owen (stamps feet) – crackling intellegence! intensity! sardonic wit! good looks! dark undercurrents!!!!
johnSwifty @ 308
Stiller!
you owe me a coke
joel @
300
wallace shawn was also in “my dinner w/ andre”
Celtic Music @ 187
Robert Redford as Bob Woodward
Matt Damon is WAY too small.
Verne Troyer was mentioned a while back
Fern @ 318
You may have a point, but I’ve had a crush on Mark Harmon for years, lol.
the anti-thesis @ 319
Guilty!
that mumbler guy who played the Hebrew Hammer!
LCHAIM license plate on the big blue pimped out caddy…gotta cast him
and Andy Dick = Scooter
Clive would have to work on his accent.
Who plays Bush? Dana Carvey (however its spelled?)
Oh man, It’s kind of weird how Jane is all over this Oliver Stone-esque movie….
Byrd: Sec. Rice, Prez has said the enemy will follow us here if we withdraw from Iraq. What is the evidence of that?
Rice: Instability….would produce a safe haven…would allow….well, to be honest for once in my life, there is none.
/of COURSE I made up the last part
Byrd: Every expert agrees that Iraq is in a civil war. So where is the evidence that any of this threatens the US?
Rice: Al quaeda is in Anbar! Might….could….breeding ground for terrorism…al quaeda is greatest threat to our homeland.
Byrd: To our homeland? Do you think they will attack us in the US if we leave?
Rice: I suspect, I beleive, I KNOW they’re planning to attack us Sep. 11! Can’t be on the defense…only have to be wrong once… They’re trying every day to figure out how to attack us…
Byrd: General, is the US preparing to launch airstrikes against Iran.
Pace: No.
Byrd: Categorically?
Pace: Categorically, no.
No one’s mentioned Leonardo DiCaprio as Fitz.
Chris Cooper and Richard Dreyfuss played Bush and Rove brilliantly in Silver City, but I agree that Phillip Seymour Hoffman has to be Rove.
Pat_AlexVA @ 196
When I put the tinfoil hat on, as we have been invited to do, I wonder if maybe AF2 was (gasp!) bugged. Has anything like that ever been used for evidence in a trial?
Or, perhaps less foil-ish, there’s recordings of secure air communications from AF2? Perhaps Cheney made a call before giving Scooter his marching orders?
Without something like that, the conversation becomes a he said / he said between Cheney and Libby. Even if Libby did flip and says Cheney ordred him to out Plame, I’m still not Fitz gets solid enough evidence to convict Cheney. Unless there’s something else he knows about that conversation..
And from ew’s http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..lib_1.html
(written January 12)
Do we know yet what this contact was all about? What, what, when, where, how and – most importantly – why?
I don’t think this conversation was touched on in this trial.
How about the blonde detective from Coldcase for Jane?
John Cusack for Fitz? Well, he’s Irish-American (a Chicagoan, btw) but he’s too lightweight.
GEORGE CLOONEY. He’s Irish-American too.
Maggie Gyllenhaal for Marcy?
Immanentize!!
You came back!!
Stingray and PatAlexVA….. While the signals to and from AF2 will be encrypted under the normal rules a record must exist. Is this not the trip when the sugnal from Armitage was sent to AF1 or 2 in which the Mrs Wilson information was separately classified from the rest of the signal? There was talk a long time ago, perhaps on Kevin Drum, that both Bush and Cheney got on to the telephones and began outing her on the spot. That, d.v., is what Fitzy might have!!
Wouldn’t it be luvverly!
CatelynK @ 308
Steve Buscemi would be perfect.
If the Libby role is taken, he could do a good Judy-Judy instead.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0000114/
Lily Taylor
Marcia Gay Harding
Ed Harris
An actor generally can’t play some smarter. These folks are very high IQ.
Angelina as one of the news show bimbos. Laura O’Donnell, f.x.
Novakula – Willem Dafoe did a great Max Schrek in “Shadow of the Vampire”. (Wonderful movie – the previous movies by the director are bizarre Matthew Barney-esque art movies.) Or Udo Kier. Or John Malkovich – all are in Vampire.
Malkovich is great as a reptile – there are plenty of those to play
Cary Elwes is a great unknown – star of Princess Bride – and in the vampire movie. Blonde, but… fair-haired is fine.
strawhat @ 332
I think the actor who plays Fitz has to be someone you could believe is super scarey smart. So neither Clooney or Cusack work for me. I mentioned Eric Bana in the last thread but I’m not sure people know who he is, he is up and coming, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0051509/.
Ralph Fiennes is believable as smart but there is something about him that just doesn’t add up as Fitz for me.
maunga @ 336
Geez – No kidding. Thanks, I’ll keep my fingers crossed on that.
Frances de la Tour for Judy Miller (a dead ringer) She played Madame Maxine (a Giantess) in the last Harry Potter Film. Just try the Google on her name to see the uncanny resemblance.
Liam Neeson is ideal for Fitz. The actor must be tall (the other suggestions, are too short), have pathos and be reserved.
Libby and Cheney spoke on the plane – they were literally on the plane together. (clarification in bold) The Armitage reference, do you mean the fax?
I don’t think we know what Cheney did after Martin indicated Wilson’s wife worked at the agency. EW speculates quite a bit, that Cheney contacted the agency and discovered she worked at CPD. I think PJF has more certainty in this area. Did Cheney contact someone? Who? How’d that conversation go (if it occured)?
LandOfTheFree @ 221
I James Woods might be able to match Fitz’s intensity, but he won’t convey that boyscoutish air of humility very well. I’m thinking about Matt Damon…
James Woods (not the actor) @ 344
or Russell Crowe…
Stingray
My memory is none too good, and the blog-site talk was frantic when the GJ was first sitting. It may have just been Bush….. and AF1. In which case he will have tel’d Cheney and Rove and told them to get on with it. That is more likely. Mrs Wilson was certainly classified, and it is more likely to have been GWB who would utterly ignore that or just not notice it. Even Cheney would not, I think, bald-headedly out the CIA agent at that time, but later…….!
bob @
129
Yes. Sealed indictments are legal. One Blogger, Truthout’s Jason Leopold, believes that an indictment entritled “Sealed vs. Sealed” represents just this indictment for Karl Rove.
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bi…..i/61/20422
Or it might be an indictment for Cheney. But since it is “sealed” the contents are unknown. It could be completely unrelated,perhaps to the Abrahmoff case. But it was issued about the time of the Libby indictment, and remains sealed to this day…which certainly raises curiosity about why such an indictment would remain sealed for so long if it were NOT tied to this case. Most of the early Abrahmoff cases have already proceeded to Court and we’re wellinto the indictments made by a subsequent Grand Jury.
Rove’s lawyer saying that he received a letter from Fitz stating that he isn’t a target of the indictment means nothing, as he hasn’t produced such a letter for inspection. Odd since it would supposedly exonerate his client…or at least take the heat off him. I’d suggest that there might indeed be a letter, but that Rove’s lawyer doesn’t want to show it publically since it doesn’t say what he claims it does.
In addition, there is still a sitting Grand Jury that has met a few times since November 2005. Fitz requested the establishment of a new Grand Jury to hear evidence relating to cases related to this investigation after the term of the one that issued the Libby indictments expired.
Pat_AlexVA @ 343
Thank you for clearing me up………… yes, i was referring to the FAX to AF1. My prayer is that that is what Fitzy has —- the GWB calls to Cheney, Rove et al.
James Woods might be able to match Fitz’s intensity, but he won’t convey that boyscoutish air of humility very well. I’m thinking about Matt Damon…
Someone said Matt Damon is too small.
I like Russell Crowe for Fitz and Michelle Pfeifer for Jane.
How about a younger Judy Davis as EW and an older Judy Davis as Judy Miller?
But don’t you think Lena Olin is a dead-ringer for Mrs. Scooter?
And what’s a democratic lawyer who looks like Lena Olin doing with that weasely loser anyway?
maunga @ 345
Yes, I do recall references AF1 communications while over Africa but not AF2 on the return from the USS Reagan christening.
Thing is, it’s immediately after AF2 lands that Libby gets on a land line to reporters. If there are any records about that AF2 conversation between Cheney and Libby, then that’s the goods that could ultimately nail it.
ohioblue @
349
I didn’t realize there would be nude scenes.
>Matt Damon is too small.
all right – Osama bin Laden for Fitz then
or Shaquille O’Neal
Or if we can let go of the height issue, how about Tom Cruise as Ted Wells?
LandOfTheFree @
158
Ick. James Woods could NEVER look like a boy scout.
This is my first post. This blog has kept me sane for the past year. Thank you all, especially Christy, whom I saw one day on C-Span and have been checking in with FDL ever since. Like you all I am on edge waiting for a verdict. But I agree with those thinking the high stakes warrant a lengthy and thorough deliberation. I humbly add my casting picks for the movie version:
Kathy Bates as Aspen Judy
Toni Colette as Jane
Sean Penn as Karl Rove
Dustin Hoffman as Scooter
Norm MacDonald as Fitz
Gary Oldman as Bushie
The Wilsons as themselves
Elliott @ 255
My heart is convinced that Cheney’s trip is the last round of “visits” before the Iran War begins.
Reading that Osama and pals – hey…remember Osama? – reading that our counterterror people have their hair on fire over Al Queida’s coming attack in the US leave me wondering:
which major urban area will Bush will sacrifice this time?
I’m frightened for Los Angeles – world center for the media culture so alien to religious fanatics of all stripes. And home to ports taking 40% of US trade.
And home to my family and relatives.
I’m worrying a lot this week.
Even Michele Bachmann is laying low…She’s Hot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
nyff @
138
They could fire him from his Chicago post…but imagine the heat they would take from firing the guy who has obtained convictions against mobsters, the first set of WTC bombers and the blind Imam, a corrupt Illinois governor and a full tableaux of underlings, etc. He’s also in the midst of an embezzlement case against Lord Conrad Black. If they removed him from this it would actually backfire, giving Fitz more time to work on the Plame-related matters and extracting him from grueling commutes. He drove all the way from Chicago to Wash. D.C. over the last weekend to escape the blizzards that stalled flights b/w the two cities!
But despite this possibility of removing Fitz from his Chicago duties, they couldn’t fire Fitz from his post of Special Investigator related to the Plame leak and associated criminal acts uncovered in the course of that investigation. Comey authorized him with special PLENARY powers in this investigation.
If they did attempt to it would generate a Constitutional crisis where their authority would certainly be challenged.Essentially the Executive Branch would be saying that they could not be investigated for criminal actions- they would shut it down.
They are already under suspicion of this for the firings of other Attorney Generals who have been exemplary in their records, by and large, and replacing them with crony appointees.
In my opinion the Democrats should hire up these fired Atty. Generals and appoint them to investigative committees!
stingray 351 – I believe the Cheney / Libby AF2 conversation is just that, an in-person conversation. I don’t think there’s gonna be doc on that one.
Ok, after skimming the archives, here’s the most pertinent post…
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..test-hits/
Here’s Libby Q&A.
Notta Flatlander @ 267
notta, me neither.
but!
i use firefox browser and have the search add-on in the address bar (are you with me so far?) And i have “IMDB” as one of my search options selected.
now i can select the text of some new comer’s name; right click it; select Search IMDB for ” …” and click on it:
the imdb page will open in a separate tab or page.
your mileage may vary.
everhopeful @ 43
David Shuster IS on Countdown EVERY night!
jayacoop @
140
I utterly disagree. Logically the order for them to proceed would be to evaluate issues that would have thrown out all the charges…the Memory Defense and issues relating to “Jury Nullification” that some jurors might raise (Libby was doing “important work”; “was she really all that important?”;).
But once these issues were dealt with they would get down to analyzing the evidence for EACH of the five charges. That’s when the foreperson asked for the flipboard, and the post-its,
They were working through the scenarios and interconnections of each charge and all the elements. That could take one day for each charge.
And if there was a guilty conclusion at the end of any of those this might influence jurors who were wavering on other charges to re-evaluate their decisions. After all, if Libby lied on ONE charge, then he is less likely to be honest on other charges, Say you take an easy charge first…like the Cooper related charge or Russert. Initially you might vote that the case was one of he said-she said and that the witnesses were not as strong to expel reasonable doubt.
But if you were later convinced that Libby lied ABOUT THE SAME FACTUAL CIRCUMSTANCES in those charges that involved several supporting witnesses this might make a re-examinationb of the original situation of a charge necessary. After all, if Libby lied in that circumstance, how could he be telling the Truth in the situation of Russert or Cooper on the same factual basis.
Thus ones drcision is no longer based on “he said-she said” since it’s easier and more coherent to think that Libby maintained a consistant lie…and his value as a “honest individual” has been impaired vis-a-vis Cooper or Russert. Suddenly, after on conviction of Libby, their valence as MORE RELIABLE witnesses than Libby becomes enhanced.
All of that could take a while to go over.
My own view is that there is at least several guilty verdicts and they are likely debating one stickler.
If they had accepted any of the MAJOR arguments of the DEFENSE that would have thrown out all the charges it would have been done on day 1 or 2.
Pat_AlexVA @ 358
And this:
Libby left that door wide open, is the way I read his answer.
stingray @
167
Well this might be why it’s so difficult to bring charges against anyone under the Intelligence Agents Identity Protection Act. By doing this Plame was “instantly” decertified from her “covert” status.
Which may also be why the CIA is so pissed, since it wasn’t notified.
But Fitz may want to get some convictions before jumping into this morass of Constitutional issues…CAN the President declassify a covert agents status without going through the procedures that his own Executive Order lays out that allows any “original classifying authority” to appeal and the CIA Director to challenge such declassifications that endanger covert operations or individuals?
It’s clear that the CIA has undertaken extraordinary efforts to keep what Plame was doing quite “protected”. They refused to acknowlege that she was a CIA EMPLOYEE to Novak and to other reporters for weeks even after Novaks column. The fact that she was an “employee” was only declassified when they forwarded their complaint to the DOJ.
Not even Victoria Toensing can tell us what Valerie Plame did at the CIA over the prior five years before Libby, Rove and Armitage leaked her identity to reporters. Quite clearly Ms. Toensing can’t argue that Plame’s job was known to everyone and that the CIA didn’t take care to protect it when SHE Can’t tell us what Plame actually did!
One can get details of Unclassified CIA employees names and jobs from the CIA’s Public Information Office if one has a reasonable rationale.
The issue of the insta-declassification of the NIE seems to be a subterfuge. The CIA did accede to declassify those parts that were leaked…and it’s silly to think that the WH couldn’t have waited a few days until the CIA agreed to do this before they released the NIE sections to reporters en masse. Releasing the NIE in advance to a few reporters as a “lure” makes no sense anyways. Why imply that such info is coming from the White House when the CIA would release it in a few days?
The only info that needed to be released surrepticiously was the Plame identity…and the WH knew that the CIA wouldn’t release her identity. If they thought that it would they simply would have gone and had the CIA’s public information office make it known. The leak had to be done without the knowledge of the CIA as to who was the source. Unfortunately “incompetants” leaked it in parallel to Libby (who tried to conceal his identity as a source by, first, having Miller identify him as a former Congressional aide, and later by attributing the fact to “reporters”). They put out a beacon that the leak came from the Administration…pissing off the CIA and Libby/Cheney for allowing the leak to be “sourced” (”incompetants!”).
Elliott @
210
Or Cheney….but maybe a bit two young and boy-like…which are definitely Rovian features.
How about Jack Nicolson as Cheney?
Pat_AlexVA @ 359
All conversations on any and all of the Presidential fleet are recorded. So if someone was stupid enough to discuss this, then a digital record probably exists. Not a document, per se, but the actual voices of participants. Talk about being a fly on the wall…
>Maggie Gyllenhaal for Marcy?
yes!
>How about Jack Nicolson as Cheney?
“you can’t HANDLE the truth!”
You all cover the facts, I’ll cover the frivolities. Contact me on Trafalmodore, the fireworks are spectacular this time of year.
Mr. Fitzgerald Goes to Washington.
Directed by Steven Spielberg.
Tom Hanks, Executive Producer.
George W. Bush: Robin Williams. Alternates: Chris Cooper, Sean Penn.
Laura Bush: Laura Linney.
Barbara Bush: Roseanne Barr.
Condi Rice: Angela Bassett.
Karen Hughes: Kathy Bates. Alternate: Emily Watson.
Douglas Feith: Paul Giamatti.
George Tenet: Dustin Hoffman.
Barbara Comstock: Louise Lasser. Alternates: Jane Curtin, Brenda Blethlyn.
Judith Miller: Meryl Streep—She is the only one who can convey the true weirdness that is Judy.
Matt Cooper: Hugh Jackman.
Bob Woodward: Billy Bob Thornton.
Tim Russert: Bill Murray. Alternates: Alan Arkin, Russell Crowe, Martin Sheen.
I. Lewis Libby: Joshua Malina. Alternates: Clive Owen, Robert Duvall, Hugh Laurie, Ed Harris.
Richard V. Cheney: Christopher Walken. Alternates: Hugh Laurie, Gary Oldman, Ralph Fiennes, Anthony Hopkins.
Karl Rove: Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Alternates: Russell Crowe, Alec Baldwin, Nick Nolte, Tom Arnold.
David Addington: Richard Schiff. Alternates: George Lucas, Thomas Haden Church, Rob Reiner.
Richard Armitage: Richard Dreyfuss.
Mary Matalin: Stockard Channing. Alternates: Marcia Gay Hardin, Toni Collette, Annette Bening.
Valerie Plame: Diane Lane. Alternates: Cate Blanchett, Angelina Jolie.
Joseph Wilson: Richard Gere.
Curator: Helen Mirren. Alternates: Joan Allen, Bjork.
Judge Reginald Walton: Don Cheadle. Alternates: Will Smith, Cuba Gooding Jr.
Ted Wells: Forest Whitaker. Alternates: Eddie Murphy, Denzel Washington.
Peter Zeidenberg: Bradley Whitford.
William Jeffress: William H. Macy.
Harriett Grant (Mrs. Scooter): Catherine Keener.
AND NOW OUR STARS:
SWOPA: Jake Gyllenhaal. Alternates: Nicolas Cage, Johnny Depp.
CHRISTY: Michelle Williams. Alternates: Kelly Preston, Drew Barrymore, Renee Zellweger.
EMPTYWHEEL: Rachel Weisz. Alternates: Mary-Louise Parker, Sela Ward, Mira Sorvino, Hilary Swank, Julia Roberts, Salma Hayek, Catherine Zeta-Jones.
JANE: Kate Winslet. Alternates: Allison Janney, Nicole Kidman, Virginia Madsen, Gwyneth Paltrow, Uma Thurman.
FITZ:Harrison Ford. Alternates: Jimmy Smits, Dermot Mulroney, Leonardo DiCaprio, Taye Diggs.
yellowdog jim @
69
John C. Reilly as Fitz – I noticed the resemblence as he sang and danced with Jack Black and Will Ferrell on the Oscars.
Vera Farmiga as Marcy.
Tom Hanks & Diane Lane as Joe & Valerie Wilson.
Aaron Eckhart as Scooter Libby.