
History has a funny way of looking backward at Presidents and assessing all of those tiny little decisions — made day in and day out — from a much wider lens. From the perspective of not just the short-term ramifications of policy decisions, but what their real world, long-term impact has been. It is not often that we get to see both the short-term and the long-term questions intersect in a measureable way. But that is exactly what seems to be shaping up in a number of recent reports regarding US troops, our strategic capability for the short and long term, and the impact that all of this is having — right now — on our folks in uniform.
The fact that some of this is coming out of the mouth of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace? That's sure to make a few heads explode inside the Beltway, isn't it?
Strained by the demands of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a significant risk that the U.S. military won't be able to quickly and fully respond to yet another crisis, according to a new report to Congress.
The assessment, done by the nation's top military officer, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, represents a worsening from a year ago, when that risk was rated as moderate.
The report is classified, but on Monday senior defense officials, speaking on condition on anonymity, confirmed the decline in overall military readiness. And a report that accompanied Pace's review concluded that while the Pentagon is working to improve its warfighting abilities, it "may take several years to reduce risk to acceptable levels."…
The review grades the military's ability to meet the demands of the nation's military strategy — which would include fighting the wars as well as being able to respond to any potential outbreaks in places such as North Korea, Iran, Lebanon, Cuba or China….
So, can we officially say now that the Bush Administration has made us less safe in terms of our strategic readiness capabilities and the eroded level of response capability that we now have under George Bush's watch? The GAO thinks so (H/T Raw Story):
Congress's investigative arm has warned that sustained operations in Iraq are taking a toll on the military's ability to respond to conflict elsewhere in the world, RAW STORY has learned…."The Army, the Marine Corps, and the Air Force have drawn heavily from their prepositioned stocks to support Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom," they write. "These sustained military operations are taking a toll on the condition and readiness of military equipment."
What does this mean for our men and women in uniform? Or for the rest of the nation not currently serving? It means if there is a big emergency, we are in a world of hurt, that's what it means. We have neither the equipment nor the force elasticity to adequately respond to much more around the world — and our amazing forces who are working on a shoestring now, stretched so thin in parts of the line it astonishes me daily that they are able to hold things together as well as they do? Well, they are going to be forced to keep on stretching.
A lot of active duty folks are not happy about that — and have started speaking up about it — something that rarely happens, for good reason, considering the need to maintain a strong chain of command structure. If you haven't seen the report that 60 Minutes did on this, you can watch clips here. As for specifics on how they are stretching, just take a peek at this report that two Army units will be forgoing desert training that is specifically designed to ensure readiness for the conditions they will face in Iraq. Instead, because of the Bush escalation plan, they will be immediately sent to Iraq without this readiness training. And that is just one example of many.
All of the interviews and discussions with ABC's Bob Woodruff over the next few days will focus some serious public scrutiny on far too neglected issue: head trauma injuries. Woodruff has a special this evening about his road to recovery from the injuries that he sustained reporting in Iraq — and, if you take a peek at this from The Nitpicker, you'll see why this has the potential to open a whole lot of eyes for people who are not used to real news being put in front of them. This is both newsworthy and infotainment, and that has to have a whole lot of wingnut armchair warriors frothing at the mouth…because the truth of the matter is, our nation's soldiers are not getting the best care possible, and a whole lot of them are dealing with substantial head trauma from IEDs and other attacks — and the Pentagon's PR department has been sweeping this under the media rug without any pushback for accountability from the public.
He was, like any journalist, determined to tell his story. But in an hour-long special that airs Tuesday night at 10, Woodruff does more than that. He visits with Iraq veterans who also suffered traumatic brain injuries, documents their painfully slow progress and accuses the Pentagon of withholding information about how widespread these debilitating wounds have become.
Woodruff's reporting packs an emotional punch because he is, quite simply, a man who cheated death. Never before had an anchor for an American broadcast network been injured in war. Woodruff instantly became a symbol of the dangers that journalists face in Iraq, and is trying to use his higher profile to illuminate the plight of soldiers who struggle with these injuries far from the spotlight.
It is high time that the moratorium on hard questions came to an end, don't you think?
Looking back through the lens of history, if JFK were alive today, don't you think he would be not only wise but justified in saying "Hey, maybe we should have spent a little more time reviewing all the data on Vietnam before we rushed more and more troops there for years and year without really having any workable strategy or honest hope of achieving our publicly stated political goals?" Isn't it about time we started asking the Bush Administration to take a long, hard look at reality — instead of constantly allowing them to tap dance around it?
I don't know about you all, but terrorists aren't exactly sitting around and saying, "Hey, American troops are stretched thin. Let's not open another front in the so-called war on terror because that wouldn't be sporting.", now are they? As commander-in-chief, shouldn't Bush's first priority be to make decisions that make us more safe, and not less so — not just for the short term, but also for the long haul? And isn't it well past time for all of us to stand up and demand that he do just that?
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G U I L T Y !!!
Madness! madness! madness!
Fitz!
Crazy Horse linked to an article in Der Speigel (in English) that talks about the toll this war is taking on the military. It focused particularly on those seeking alternate means of leaving – COs, going AWOL, etc.
“As criticism of the Iraq war grows at home, some US soldiers abroad are rejecting Bush’s mission. On military bases across Germany, many are now seeking a way out through desertion or early discharge.”
simply bawling my eyes out now at the notion of this fella doing the right thing
The scary part is that it may be something they don’t even recognize.
FITZ !
I know, let’s agree with Bush – and cut and run…
compare and contrast -
JFK at presser 3 days after Bay of Pigs debacle
(bold cbl)
What is Congress’ obligation to this country when they have to replace the executive branch due to:
1. incompetence
2. war crimes
3. personal crimes
4. conspiracy for war profiteering
5. obstruction of justice, conspiracy
doe the report by the military start a process by which we can remove the insane?
To be perfectly fair, JFK’s order to begin withdrawing troops from Vietnam immediately, was rescinded by LBJ 2 days after the assassination. In all honesty, JFK can hardly be lumped in with the rest of the MIC for something he tried to stop.
We’ve already seen that a depleted military was unable to chip in in a timely manner in response to Hurricane Katrina. And that was when the problem was described as “moderate”.
At Bagram base in Afghanistan, 23 people dead including a US soldier and a South Korean soldier….but Dick Cheney is OK.
Priorities you know.
-GSD
Bob Woodruff delivered the commencement address at my daughter’s high school graduation, stepping in for his good friend David Bloom, who died covering the invasion of Iraq.
Bob Woodruff is a good man and I was horrified when he was injured. I’m glad he is drawing attention to how wrong our involvement in Iraq.
EPUed but updated for this thread:
You see, Presidents like Kennedy didn’t have people like Richard Perle around to widely cast blame for failure on everyone except the Commander in Chief! In this interview, Perle explains that Bush has been failed by everyone – basically, because he’s been surrounded by dim bulbs like Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice.
hat tip to Think Progress for leading me to this interview of Richard Perle by NewsMax. In it, Perle blames a lot of people for failure in Iraq – including Colin Powell.
link to Perle interview
I’d love to know what Powell thinks of that comment (and Perle’s next sentence, that “Condi was in over her head”). For whomever might go to the Powell speech/Q&A at Tulane, you might consider asking Powell if he agrees with Perle that Bush has been failed by almost everyone in his administration.
Christy – in case you missed it in the last thread
From the WaPo’s Reliable Source column today:
rugby players . . . do not mess with ‘em
Tony Snow is running from Helen Thomas live on c-span2 and Faux Noise.
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Thank God that Gen Pace is starting to stand up. Marines are special people and do not play the political game much if at all.
Regrettably, when the AF finally got a JC, he (Gen Myers) went along with the “program” too much.
The four buttons have to stand up for our Nation. It is very much against the US military culture to not salute and carry out orders, but this is one time where it must be done.
sunny at 11 — Well, that’s true, but he did ramp up troops a bit before issuing that order…not as much as LBJ, though. Not by a long shot.
cbl @ 16
Oh, too bad EW couldn’t have just hitched a ride with the prosecutor! It wouldn’t have been that far out of his way to swing by Detroit and pick her up. :)
QuentinCompson @ 17
setting up a skit for the WH Press Corp dinner?
EPU’d from yesterday but relevant here.
I posted this in a thread yesterday but quite relevant here. BushCo has not only weakened the US strategically apropos the world. He is also destroying military families domestically:
From Lizette Alvarez in the NYTimes:
Former Fed – relieved to see that as well, am wondering if it’s Poppy’s boy Gates that is now emboldening the terrorists at JCOS*g*
Sure, Dickie. Other than going to the Security Council with a vial of powdered sugar and a spoken word album’s worth of trumped-up “Saddam is making boomie things” stories
that he knew damned well were a load of horseshit, Powell didn’t do jack to help you take over the world. What a baboon.
Barbara Starr on CNN just now did a story about how “insurgents” in Iraq have demonstrated the ability to build more sophisticated bomb devices, without any help from Iranians. She’s been filing quite a few reports in the past few days questioning the BS coming out of the admin.
last week, dear ole GOPig loving dad said something about “all politicians” and “guilty” in the same sentence
– leaning neo-populist in his old age, I guess –
EXCEPT he made an EXCEPTshun for W
and I said
’scuse me, they’re all culpable
and he agreed with me ?!!
zoinks
THAT’s the seventh sign
LandOfTheFree @ 25
Well she allowed herself to get burned very, very badly last week when the first “alleged” Iran reports came in.
After reading Frank Rich’s op ed on Sunday, it is a little more than disconcerting to consider our lack of preparedness and readiness to face disaster on any new front. This administration has left us vulnerable both within and outside of our borders. Their tenancity in Iraq is now like a obsessive compulsive disorder writ large. What do we do when madmen rule?
From the The Huffington Post
Melinda Henneberger
Posted February 27, 2007 11:48 AM
Contact/tips: melinda@huffingtonpost.com
The U.S. military has NO, I repeat, NO shortage of resources, and I am surprised at lefties for buying into the idea that the U.S. military, costing more than all those in the rest of the world combined, can’t do whatever it wants.
The trouble is that the troops get in the way of all those exciting lethal toys that the generals want to buy so that they can get million dollar annual salaries after they retire, working for military suppliers.
A D in the WH won’t change the generals. Screw the troops. Always have; always will.
o/t
Ashcroft to hold pizza party @ DOJ
. . . let the ethics soar
To Rumsfeld’s face – on live teevee.
Just sayin’.
-
Christy: YGM
LandOfTheFree @ 15
Has Mr. Perle considered why the ‘best and the brightest’ will not work for the Bush NeoCon/PNAC administration?
After serving as propaganda shill for the new American torture movment, Kiefer Sutherland will deploy to give an anti-torture speech.
A day late and a waterboard short.
-GSD
cbl @ 9
How quaint. Why didn’t JFK just say, “The CIA told me we’d be greeted as liberators and that Cuban forces would offer no resistance. Based on what I knew then, I still believe that trying to depose Fidel was the right thing to protect America”?
Attention Firedog shoppers: we have a blue light special on trolls in aisle 30.
I got Cspan 2 running, can’t watch all three
anyone else on the original or CSpan 3?
EvilDrPuma @ 37
What makes you think that?
robin andrea @ 28
What do you fear could happen? Christy reference to terrorism is one thing, but that’s really not a military problem. Obviously the failure to get bin Laden and his operation is worrisome, but they really haven’t presented anything that remotely threatens the US presence or position in the world. As James Fallows pointed out in a recent article in the Atlantic, the US response has done much more damage than any past terrorist attack.
The idea that the US needs a military force bigger than the next ten countries combined is flat out bizarre. Do you think Canadians, Swedes or Portugese people get up every morning, quaking in their boots because they don’t have any Stealth bombers?
Yah litigatormom #36, JFK was the first Prez I really “knew” — whatever his personal faults (that were suppressed at the time) he was a mensch. His murder most foul was the first of many later instances where the world spun off its axis…
But here we are, waiting for the jury to return from lunch and deliberations. Go Jury!!
Christy asked, “… shouldn’t Bush’s first priority be to make decisions that make us more safe, and not less so — not just for the short term, but also for the long haul? And isn’t it well past time for all of us to stand up and demand that he do just that?” My answer is no. Rather – it is well past time, by several years, that Bush and many of his administration should have been removed from office. Bush should not be The Decider for anything at this time or in the future! I have never known, read about or heard about, any individual holding a position of responsibility that is so incompetent and down right dumb. In order to be safe, we need a complete overhaul of our national and international policies. The response, that most call terrorism is a natural and expected consequence of the U.S. policies. Intelligent realists that are neither greedy nor arrogant are the ones that should be making the decisions and leading the country.
I seem to recall from the 2000 presidential debates that Candidate Bush blasted Gore for the Clinton administration’s alleged acquiesence in the deterioration of the readiness of the military. Gore denied it, but the corporate media did not consider that to be an issue meriting scrutiny such as was devoted to other important issues, such as Gore’s penchant for wearing earth-tone colors.
Then, when that military bequeathed to the Bush administration ran over Iraq’s defenses in a matter of days in 2003, Bush and Cheney were quick to claim credit for its readiness. That praise of course belonged to Clinton/Gore but, as we know, never a kind word from this administration for anything Clinton did.
So, the irony of the false claims of the 2000 debate is that Bush has managed to make true what he falsely blamed others for, now made tragic by the consequences for our nation.
I have only enough snackage for me myself and I…
on another topic, I missed Helen Thomas smackdown
but I am hearing a question about her now….by the ole kook in ther back. love the oldsters
Im not too concerned with the state of our military. Our military is no longer needed to defend the U.S.A. There are no troop threats.
And before you go ‘whatchoo talking about willis’ I’ll say North Korea does not have the resources to cross the pacific. Neither does Iran. Or Iraq. And China has no need, desire, or the resources, to wage a war in the Pacific and then on the west coast. Not to mention how much our brothers and sisters would put up a resistence. Cuba?? You decide.
Afterall, the wars have changed. A nuke is a nuke, and a 100,000 soldiers can’t do anything against this attack.
Our troops are for protecting economic interests. Or recently, carving new ones up. That is it. We’re not in danger from armies.
So is our military damaged to the point of costing you and me our security? Not really. If anything, sugar prices will go up.
Former Fed @ 18
From the Der Spiegel Crazy Horse linked to:
What do you fear could happen?
We just need to get our National Guard back. They would be what we need in the case of a major earthquake or other disaster. Their job is to take care of us at home – not to take care of Iraq.
hey S.O.S. in MA – can you spare a sistah some Gabbly ?
Tony Snow is denying that the WH is responsible for moving Helen Thomas from the front row.
jayackroyd @ 40
Well, the National Guard has been crippled by Iraq. Imagine what would happen if, for example, a powerful hurricane were to hit a major US city, and the National Guard wasn’t capable of properly dealing with the aftermath.
“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what the BBC knew and when.”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096
EvilDrPuma @ 37:
You can see no one is feeding…
EvilDrPuma @ 37
Not so sure about that…
DrEvilPuma @ 24 – my thoughts exactly. Powell’s theatrical UN appearance made a dramatic impact on opinions of Iraq’s WMD capability. If it wasn’t for that performance, who knows if the American public and some of the international community would have been behind invasion.
the anti-thesis @ 25: yikes, indeed. You might want to start consulting the Rapture Ready Index for when the rapture is coming. Your father’s admission could add another point to the rapture index.
The good news is that we’re currently at the lowest index rating for the year. I wonder if James Cameron’s movie will pump the index up a little higher. The “Prophetic Top 10″ incidations of the coming rapture include “Iran’s nuclear threat” at #1, and “November US elections” at #10.
(If you want to kill some time waiting for the jury to come in, check out their message board. It’s… um… interesting. My favorite post is the one that says the rapture is most likely to happen “when it is in the daylight hours for most of the earth”. I know it’s not nice to poke fun at these folks, but I just find this stuff bizarre.)
litigatormom @ 49
Who would be responsible then?
Frank Probst @
50
Very good point. Thanks.
GSD @ 35
Right after he films that scene where he cuts off the guy’s fingers in the Russian consulate.
Richard Perle casting blame everywhere except where it belongs, right on his own shoulders.
He should be eternally damned for his role in cheerleading this clusterfuck.
dorothy @ 55
Obviously Helen Thomas spontaneously chose to sit in the back.
Damn her!
-GSD
jayackroyd:
In the last thread you said you were seeing Clark tonight. Are you going to the 92d Street Y in NYC? My 16 year old will be there with some classmates — apparently a bunch of NYC teens from different schools were selected to go. She’s very excited!
dorothy @ 55
oh, the Correspondents something er other
What would happen if she just sat in her regular seat anyway? Who the hell would dare mess with Helen Thomas?
ps, no snacks for you
Are Bush men just drawn to women who say really stupid things? It certainly seems to run in the family. I’m wondering if George W fell head over heels for Laura the first time he brought her home to meet his mother, and Laura blurted out, “You look just like George Washington on the one dollar bill!”
QuentinCompson @ 32
This could provide cover for a lot of low and mid-ranking troops to disobey illegal orders.
eCAHNomics @ 39
I think ECAHNomics is right here. The military crown jewels are the toys; the soldiers are commodities, for there is always the draft if you need ‘em.
dorothy @ 55
Islamofascists, probably.
eCAHNomics @ 39
I had the same question.
As is, there’s way too many support troops behind way too few “11-Bravo’s”, and there’s way too much expensive hardware…
(And if you disagree with that think of it this way- Clinton fired 60-odd cruise missles (at a million bucks a piece)at a camp that we THOUGHT held OBL…
How much money would we hve saved if we had one Pashtun-speaking special forces trooper with a laser-designator actually overlooking a camp he was in?)
dorothy @ 55
Funny, that was my question too. Somebody put her further back, and after so many years I don’t really believe it was her decision.
dorothy @ 55
Clinton, of course.
dorothy @ 55
So what? Shuffle them around. Make David Gregory and Martha Raddatz have to yell from the back of the room. Move the people in back, who are napping, up to the front. Give Jeff Gannon back his press pass. Give Marcy a press pass.
EvilDrPuma @ 67
Frank Probst @ 68
Or at least a certain part of his anatomy.
litigatormom @ 60
Yes, that’s where I’ll be.
dorothy @ 55
FOX and CNN were pushing for the seat.
fwiw, I did not think eCAHNomics’ comments offensive, and he/she has a valid point.
“The trouble is that the troops get in the way of all those exciting lethal toys that the generals want to buy so that they can get million dollar annual salaries after they retire, working for military suppliers.”
Rumsfeld was so enamored of all the shiny missiles, rockets, jet fighters, deathstars, laser beams, etc. that his “management” of the Pentagon was to cut services to actual people serving as troops. Thus no body armor, porous humvees, and VA services that have given us military hospitals ala Walter Reed.
Let’s listen to what eCAHNomics has to say, before condemning.
EvilDrPuma @
24
Powell’s best moments:
1. when he said to bush about Iraq: “if you break it, you own it.”
2. ditto: “it will suck the oxygen out of the other programs you want to push.”
or words to that effect. how prophetic.
after dougie feith, richard perle is the stupidist fuck in the whole world.
angie @ 74
I always find “lefties think this” remarks offensive.
MariaSquared @
71
Helen Thomas might have been the only woman in Washington safe from that particular part of the Big Dog’s anatomy…a shame, too, because he might have learned a thing or too.
cbl @ 48
Izzis whatchoo need cbl?
http://gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
Put it in a sep window, resize to taste, do NOT refresh that window. Keep this FDL in a sep window and refresh as needed… HTH Sistah :)
Regarding Helen Thomas, wasn’t Faux views (not news) hinting at this last week, that they deserve her seat in the front row.
Evil Puma @ 77, Maybe a subset of lefties. Remember do not wear the labels that others apply to you.
thanks !
Other than going to the Security Council with a vial of powdered sugar…
You think that was sugar, huh?
HotFlash – great point!
Could it also be that Perle is annoyed that he didn’t get the Secy of State job after Powell stepped down? Sounds like somebody does have a chip on his shoulder.
Speaking of a**h*les who supported the Bush/Cheney/neocon cabal, does anyone know if Rumsfeld is still operating his “Pentagon Transition Office”? Last I heard, he claimed it would just be for a few weeks, and he had a bunch of Pentagon-paid staffers helping him “go through documents”. I’m curious if he’s still shredding docs and pulling all the strings in the background, and if Pace is having a little of a powerstruggle with Rummy the Puppeteer.
FAUX news earned that seat fair and square. They repeated every lie asked of them.
EvilDrPuma @ 77
what about surrender monkey libtards?
This snip from Sy Hersh’s article in The New Yorker:
“Clinton, of course.
Or at least a certain part of his anatomy.”
Wow, he can move peple around with it? Or, is it like a wand, he just waves it and voila?
Okay, I’ll shut up, too many visuals there.
OT, sort of, but has anybody read Holly Bailey’s piece in Newsweek today about covering DeadEye on his trip? The air base at Bagram didn’t have enough food to feed visitors (or at least that was what reporters were told — Cheney could’ve just decided to starve them, but I think it was the truth)! There were also very few blankets and it was snowing outside. My God, what have these people done to our armed forces?!!
The other day I mentioned that Imus has very little redeeming social value, but once again, he has shown that he has at least some. He has been all over the issue of the crappy treatment experienced by veterans and how there is no excuse for it. This morning, George Stephanopoulus was on, and he told him that, since George is a journalist, he should have asked more questions regarding the treatment long ago, as should all other journalists, congresscritters, and the hierarchy of the Pentagon itself. He felt he himself should be held responsible, since he should have asked more questions when he went there. I must say it’s rare to see a public figure include himself as a person to be blamed, but he is truly appalled that this could have happened under so many noses, and would love to get to the bottom of how it happened that so many vets were living in such deplorable conditions and everyone says nobody knew. Once Imus gets on a tear, he’s like a bulldog; he doesn’t let go. File this comment under credit where credit is due.
eCAHNomics @ 30
I want to be the first to admit how little I know about this area. But I have heard or read recently we currently have three million men and women in uniform, the vast majority are in the US… whatever its 3 million people in service (plus all of the private support). Didn’t I notice a proposed six hundred billion dollar defense budget before war funding? Didn’t I hear the pentagon admits it has lost 1.5 trillion dollars? How much do you think is really missing if they admit to 1.5 trillion? (That’s about 4 or 5 Iraq Wars in lost or stolen treasure)
It’s my understanding China is second in defense spending to the US. They spend 50 billion per year 1/12 at the most of what we are, 1/12.
Just how much more are we supposed to spend in human resources or treasure?
I want people in service, as well as those who are in need as a result of their service, to have the best, but we need to spend our time and energy on peace not war.
There has to be another way.
Diane @ 80
I could easily have missed something like that; I regard Faux News (”We Distort, You Recite”) mainly as a test of my ability to brush off useless sensory stimuli.
EvilDrPuma @ 77
Can you point out where he said that? His first comment I see says “Suprised at lefties buying into…” but doesn’t seem to say what you find offensive…
Frank Probst @ 50
Agreed. One major reason that the NG hasn’t been repatriated and re-equipped, I fear, is that they would almost certainly serve as a bulwark against the Blackwater contractors who are even now being readied against We, the People — when Martial law (God forbid) is declared… Go Jury — help us defend ourselves!!
This is no surprise to me, as I have been warning of this for a few years now; the signs were obvious to those that knew what to look for. At Political Animal I said many times that the damage Bush was doing to American power was so severe it was as if he were a foreign agent planted into the position for that express purpose. This is only the latest piece of information/evidence to back that up with. I mean really, any sleeper agent in his position would have to weaken America in such a way that did not get him removed from power before he finished such an agenda, and the way Bush has operated with the fear, smear, and secret governance are exactly the sort of tools that any such agent would have to use to succeed.
I realize that he is not likely a foreign agent, but that his actions are effectively no different than one underscores just how damaging he has been to America’s strategic power. Bushco has done more to destroy America’s position as a superpower than anyone, even many of his harshest detractors, can see as of this point. Of course the GOP will do all in it’s power to blame the lefties/liberals that betrayed America by letting Bush run free, carefully avoiding the fact/reality that *THEY* held both the Senate and House throughout the period that Bush did this damage and they were full throated bellowing cheerleaders that claimed anyone that dared question Dear Leader was a traitor to America and wanted the terrorists to win.
Got to love the Bush/GOP definition of supporting the troops when one looks at their actions instead of their mighty words. Basically Bushco/GOP has fragged the American military while using them as props to prevent those that actually were concerned about the degradation of the military as traitors and unpatriotic scum. That disgusting symmetry in that speaks volumes for the real level of contempt for the military that runs rampant at the top level of the GOP American government/Administration who see the military as nothing more than tools and not honourable human beings sworn to protect their nation and citizens deserving of al the aid that public can give them, which still does not match the sacrifices those in uniform are making and are risking in their duties.
The White House Press Corps itself votes on the seating of correspondents. CNN and Fox news evidently lobbied pretty hard to get the front seats and they do the inviting of correspndents onto shows to promote books.
I anm the last one to defend the White House, especially the Press Secretary, but in this case, she was stabbed in the back by her peers.
FAUX news is not a peer of Hlen Thomas. Not even close.
Biodun @ 87
I’m surprised he thinks it will be a Cold War, rather than a Hot War.
GSD @
35
The great Charles Barkley taught the world a real lesson a few years ago when he asserted that he was a basketball player and not a roll model.
Likewise, Mr. Sutherland is an actor and not a roll model.
That he should be thought of as anything else is foolish. That anyone should see the 24 production as anything other than a shallow attempt to capitalize on the Silvermanesque “pantspisser” audience is equally foolish.
And I’ll apologize for the negativity…”Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.”
This Video on secrecy and the freedom of the press from about six months ago uses portions of the following JFK speech as a soundtrack:
The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association
President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961
Consider listening to the speech (excerpts) without the images on the first time through. It is unfortunate that this section before the exerpt was omitted.
“I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future–for reducing this threat or living with it–there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security–a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.
This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President–two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy”.
The original is here at the JFK library. Viewing the video is well worth 5 minutes of your time.
litigatormom @ 49
gee. this is a tough one, tony. just exactly WHO, then?!
don’t make us come down there…
our patience is wearing thin as the ice under yer slippers.
Chiming in [hopefully not redundant]:
Christy says:
Never forget either the heavy toll taken on the National Guard [this gets masked because they shift recordkeeping into active military]. The toll on our hometown security and readiness is devastating…these guys come from our first responders in many cases, cops, firemen, EMTs, but also small town businesses and families. And they comprise a significant percentage of “the troops we have…” Thanks again, Rummy.
And to answer your question, Christy, hell, yes!
JEP @
83
It was Chimpy’s private stash that was lifted from an evidence locker at the Texas Air National Guard station by Barbara Comstock.
-GSD
Re: Helen Thomas:
Slate’s Jack Shafer said this about her in 2003:
My bold. And my own thoughts exactly.
I’ve only time for a touch and go here today. Just read orient-lodge.com description of waiting in the media room at Prettyman. This is a fun bit:
“The room continues to fill up. The song ends and another comes on. People argue over what the new song is. One person asks, “Is it true that this is music from Fitzgerald’s iPod?”
As we wait I have to say huge thanks to all the FDL and other bloggers for the information and really interesting descriptions, along with careful analysis. Much appreciated.
froggermarch @ 96
jus’ like everything else, eh? front row goes to the highest bidder… who would-a thunk it?!
Democrats, in the House at least, are taking the question of where the expendatures are going very seriously with regard to the Pentagon. I’m not talking about the need for bigger and more fun toys here, people — I’m talking about readiness and ability to respond to something catastrophic because the priorities and expendatures have been allowed to be all over the map for the last six years — and not nearly directed in ways that enhance, not detract from, our overall readiness.
Just take a peek at how crippled both the National Guard and the Reserves are at the moment — and then ask yourself how you will deal with a large-scale flood or other disaster without their help being available if you are a governor. And that is but one example. This isn’t pie in the sky thinking — it’s real world, real implications. And the people in uniform who are hung out to dry and deal with idiotic decisions back inside the cozy safety of the Beltway are due for someone standing up on their behalf and shining a big fat spotlight on the idiocy.
Frankly, having had members of my family and a large number of friends in the military my entire life — and well before, for generations — it amazes me that anyone in their right mind doesn’t understand the need for a solid military force as a deterrent for potential future threats. I’m not talking about the way the Bush Administration has idiotically used them — but the way prior and future Presidents have, as another layer in statecraft, negotiation and diplomacy. We undercut that unthinkingly at our peril — for generations to come — and the simplistic answer of “ooh, the military is bad” misses so much nuance and realistic application acorss such a variety of governmental disciplines, I don’t even know where to start with that.
This is not a black and white question — it is a whole lot of gray. Honestly. We do a disservice to our military and our diplomatic and intelligence corps by allowing them and their missions to be defined in the warped, crippled terms in which the Bush Administration has misused them. And I refuse to allow Dick Cheney to define any of this for me. Period.
I generally don’t attach a lot of significance to actors, but Sutherland has become a Leni Riefestahl type figure for the torture propagandists and he works for Fox which Murdoch has admitted attempts to sway American opinion.
That he is now attempting to backpedal on the issue of torture is evidence that he realizes the that he has been used as a tool by a mighty powerful propaganda machine.
-GSD
um, slightly OT, but here’s a what if scenario…
what IF, suppose, just suppose, Cheney got hurt in that bomb blast, what would happen?
When the president is incapacitated, there’s protocol, but what about the veep?
Scotian @ 94
Kudos on you for your warnings. Imho the Bush regime is loyal not to a conventional foreign power but rather to international interests — Carlyle Group, Halliburton, Saudi Royal Family, Bin Laden Construction etc. etc., — and they’re doing a fine job furthering those interests.
Please God, we may just be able to stop them before it’s too late… C’mon jury, give us a tool to keep pulling at the one strand of yarn that makes up the sweater of lies…
Well there’s this to watch if you want:
the anti-thesis @ 109
David Addington will have an Al Haig moment.
Why We Should All Be Praying For Gilliard’s Recovery # 8762 -
about a month ago, MSNBC ran a Richard Engel piece of soldiers in Iraq saying it was time to go home
Gilliard commented that – 1. it was about f’in’ time and 2. we should expect to see a lot more of this down the MSM road shortly
GSD @ 108
But is he really backpedalling? The army is asking him to speak to recruits because the propaganda is working too well. I don’t think it was his idea.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 107
The problem, of course, is just that. Dick Cheney and the rest of the cabal in the Project for a New American Century all know nothing about the importance of a stable military foundation. Rumsfield might have been the only member who ever served in the military to any extent; and yet, those are the ‘thinkers’ responsible for this administration’s current approach to military policy.
One thing Mr. Cheney certainly does know, however, is how to squeeze every blood nickel from the military industrial complex. At that, he is a glaring success and it is too late to do anything about it except to replay Eisenhower’s speech again, and again and bemoan the inability of man to recognize the course of human events.
steve @
66
I had the same question.
As is, there’s way too many support troops behind way too few “11-Bravo’s”, and there’s way too much expensive hardware…
(And if you disagree with that think of it this way- Clinton fired 60-odd cruise missles (at a million bucks a piece)at a camp that we THOUGHT held OBL…
How much money would we hve saved if we had one Pashtun-speaking special forces trooper with a laser-designator actually overlooking a camp he was in?)
I have to agree. Flag officers are infamous for pushing their pet projects and then going to work for the companies that build them after they retire.If the Dems were smart(faint hope)they would defund some of these really expensive toys and use the money to actually support the poor SOB’s that are doing the fighting. Start with Star Wars, the joint strike fighter and the DDX destroyer.
Christy @ 107
Coming from the diplomatic side instead of the military side, let me say “Me too” to your rant.
But you know that Dick Cheney went to the Clairol School of Government, where the school motto is “You don’t need to worry about shades of gray!”
More Helen Thomas:
Diane @
80
i hope that when i get to be helen thomas’s age* i have as much fun and raise as much hell as she does ……
* (in ten years)
cbl @ 113
Lara Logan did a report on CBS on this yesterday. There is an offical movement saying the mission is no longer clear and the war is not worth it.
We have to count on Congress. Are they up to it?robin andrea @ 28
That’s where our founders put Congress in charge. Why are they diddling around?
angie @ 73
Flag raised by use of the term ‘lefties’. Opinion expressed does not seem to rise/fall to the level of trollitude.
eCAHNomics @ 39
The U.S. is indeed overly prepared for some contingencies, but not all. The Russians had 150,000 troops in Afghanistan and were defeated. Bush etal claims we can do with 40,000 what Russia was not able to do with 150,000. The defeat of Russia was not determined by the number of Russian troops killed but by the econominc cost. Bush’s foolish “war on terror” will cost in excess of $2 trillion. Do you fully comprehend the magnitude of a trillion dollars? Do you realize how much just $1 trillion could do if it were spent to eliminate the real problems of the world such as hunger and disease rather than squandered on a war that has no hope of producing any positive results for our nation or the world. In order for our troops to be superior to the Taliban we need a cavalry mounted on jack asses – not led by one. If you want to level an area and convert it to glass, then sure we can easily do that. However, any rational cost effective approach ( in terms of dollars, material, and lives ) should cause you to rethink just what are the odds of our success for an undertaking that is uniquely different than what we are prepared for. The U.S. is overly prepared for a nuclear war but is at a disadvantage in a hand-to-hand combat with an enemy in their region. Especially if that region is difficult for our troops in terms of weather, and/or terrain. My somewhat lengthy diatribe was much more succinctly stated in FDL language by EvilDrPuma @37.
EvilDrPuma @
91
I definitely heard that – that Faux wanted her seat. And who did the Crass Secretary used to work for before his transition to the Administration?
I found that whole thing just sickening, and completely in line with the tactics of the Bush Administration.
eCAHNomics @ 39
eCAHNomics is not a troll, but there is something about this comment that made me think so too, on first read. But I recognized the name so I checked. eCAHNomics goes back to Ned days, so I re-read the comment and I believe that the gist is that the military (which after all, is part of the MilitaryIndustrialComplex) is *choosing* not to equip the troops because they get more bang from Big Toys. As Smedley Butler said, War is a racket.
Does anyone think those who got into the military because of relaxed recruiting standards will require less care when they return wounded than soldiers recruited under higher standards?
Unfortunately, according to Mr Bush’s progressed astrological chart, he will be getting dumber and crazier in the coming weeks:
“March 4th through March 16 will be the final part of the transit of Jupiter opposite Bush’s Uranus. This aspect will be active for the following three weeks but at a low boil and then will pick up again at full force from 4/6 through 4/26. Most significant here is that this is the beginning of the next critical phase for George Bush…”
Read the rest of this post at starlitenews.com on “Nancy’s Blog” for her article on significant dates to watch. Sounds ominous.
As I sat and waited in Panera Bread on news from the hospital in Lynchburg I noticed a couple of guys in “Vietnam Vet” hats come in. As I usually do, I went over and asked them what outfits they were in. We started to shoot the shit and a couple more guys, one Korea vet, came in and took their places. Two Marines three dogfaces counting me. These guys were all combat vets (except remf-ass me) and all on disability. The conversation got to the Wall and this year’s 25th Anniversary. As we talked one guy asked me if I was going to the “Gathering of Eagles” at the Wall March 17th to “protect the Wall” from Jane Fonda, Cindy Sheehan and an anti-war demonstration. Liberty Post I had not heard anything about this but I raised my curiosity. I was amazed; I said to them, “These folks aren’t going to DO anything to the Wall”. The old Korea Vet agreed. I then brought up Walter Reed and each of them had stories about how both the military hospitals and the VA screwed them over. I’ve been dealing with this kind of stuff for years but I still don’t get it. They know they were suckered and abused and that it is happening again but they want to focus on Jane Fonda. I hope whoever is planning this demonstration has the sense not to feed into this kind of thing.
Scotian @ 94:
Actually, I’m not sure a sleeper agent *could* have caused as much damage as Bush. Such an agent would have likely feared getting caught if he went out as far, and on as many, limbs as has Bush.
QuentinCompson @ 32
and watching… I’m hopeful the potential I saw remains
fahrender @ 119
From Jack Shafer’s article in 2003:
She’s 86 now, and still kicking.
HotFlash @ 125
Any idea what the handle, specifically “CAHN” refers to?
And, in a mild defense of EDP, any commenter who begins by bifurcating the audience with an allusion to ‘left’ or ‘right’ thinking is immediately met with skepticism — and rightly so. The average troll cannot crawl out of that initial hole. eCAHNomics seems to have managed it.
spurious @ 121
How would you describe the FDL’ers? Rightwingers? 707. KAK. LOL. Take your pick
Centrists? With Jane’s intense dislike of Leiberman? Puhleeze…
Sparkles the Iguana @ 112
good one, but I was serious. and btw, Is it possible this whack-job is looking for “danger”–? who’s the resident resident here that can put the med-tech spin on this risk seeking behavior?
Bustednuckles @ 58
I read one piece where Perle said he was approached on the eve of war by a delegate representing Saddam Hussein, in London. I guess they knew exactly who to go to..
The conversation went along the lines of “What do you want? Oil? Unfeterred UN and CIA access? What???” and then “Whatever it is, we will give it to you – just please don’t bomb us into oblivion – are you freaking nuts???” Perle decided it wasn’t worth passing along.
My guess is that Perle was afraid it would head off the war if that became public.
I hope the Conrad Black case hits him hard, even if that’s not his most serious crime.
dorothy @ 85
That why they’re sitting in Marcy’s seat at Prettyman?
JGabriel @ 129
This is something I have considered too, and I am not sure I can agree with you. The tools used by Bushco to do their damage would almost certainly have been used by an agent in the same position with the momentum 9/11/01 created for such actions. Remember, he was using these tools prior to 9/11/01 and just when that attack came there were questions being raised which were then dropped. An agent would have used the same propaganda tools to achieve the same sort of results that we have seen from Bushco IMHO.
I do agree with you that it would be far more stressful for an agent to take such chances, but history is replete with examples of those willing to run such risks if they felt they had even a minute chance of pulling it off.
JGabriel @ 129
there was a great Tom Tomorrow on this a while back: 9.20.05
loved it printed it read it and laugh once in a while heh heh, but scary
raven @
128
I get to answer my own question, the march website says nothing about the Wall, the rallying point is the Constitution Gardens. March
Yep, the guys expected to lay down their lives will be the ones deciding when this war is over. As one of them said in Lara Logan’s segment, “In a respectful and lawful way.” I’ve been waiting.
As for Helen Thomas, she said she would abide by her colleagues’ decision regarding the loss of her front-row seat. The only reporter in the room, too, no matter where she sits.
steve @ 133
Gestaltists, of course.
LandOfTheFree @
15
There’s a sex act called “Pearling”, involving a lubricated string of pearls…perhaps it should be re-named “Perling”.
Oh, by all means, hit Iran, Dick. Put us in a position where we must use nukes. The Rumsfeldian wet dream becomes the next phase of neocon genocide.
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steve @ 133:
FDLers are progressives, left-leaning, IMHO.
Re: trolls:
Christy and others have taken the pains to point out again and again that someone who has a different opinion is not necesssarily a troll. The opinion has to be reasonably argued however. FDL is not an echo chamber.
As johnSwifty said, the left-right opening is suspicious.
Some trolls have only one-liners. And some rant on and on.
Having said all this: How does one detemine who is a troll? Maybe do what HotFlash did. Some research.
cinnamonape @ 142
eeeewwwwwwhhhhh!
the anti-thesis @ 134
I assume it would be the same process that was followed when Spiro Agnew resigned. Nixon nominated Ford, who had to be confirmed by the Senate.
The US armed forces, but especially the army, are in disarray because they had no memory bank of knowledge for the job they are attempting in Iraq, and thus were not trained for it. That function is to be Occupying Forces in a resisting environment. This has meant a hiatus in regular training. Getting back on track for actual warfare will take years.
Perhaps, gathered together for the present purpose as you are, you could spread the separation the Bush Baby denies, the fact that The War was over when the invasion was complete. Perversely, he was right, because it was Mission Accomplished. The US is not At War in Iraq now but is an occupying force, and I think that if we could persuade the Congress to use such terms and to broadcast the fact to the citizenry, the Gang would lose even more credibility.
Two trillion so far is puny compared to what it will cost when Bush bombs Iran and Iran in turn takes out the oil installations up and down the west side of the Gulf.
Mr Millenialist must be stopped……… How about Sections for Bush and Cheney??
I don’t understand why dems with credibility continue to appear on Faux. Saw part of Wesley Clark’s interview with Billo last night – of course he was treated with condecension & dissrespect. Why bother trying to get their opinions heard, why not just boycott Faux and not lend credibility to the “fair & balanced” moniker.
Cheney’s bomb blast gave him a taste of what is going on in Afghanistan and Iraq on a daily basis. I hope it remains with him long enough for him to realize, on his fourth of fifth drink on the way home, how much he’s fucked up. And more importantly, redemption.
We’ve already lost two of my favorite tough ol’ broads in the last few months in Ann Richards and Molly Ivins.
More truth came out of them when they FARTED than emenates from the White House podia in a year.
Hang in there, Helen!
In terms of preparedness I always think of Katrina and how Lieberman is ignoring his duties as a Senator in his position as chairman of HS committee. He is much more interested in protecting neo nuts in the middle east than current victems of Katrina or future victims of natural disasters….impeachable imo.
I wish the Governors who recently met in DC would stand united against the Federal Governments drain on the Guard? It looks like that would be a major starting point.
One final constant memory in my mind as to peparedness comes from the must read or listen to piece from Vanity Fair on NORAD frightening lack of preparedness on 9-11.
[if you have missed that link, don’t let it get by this time]
I assume it would be the same process that was followed when Spiro Agnew resigned. Nixon nominated Ford, who had to be confirmed by the Senate
but incapacitated? not necessarily done away with…. a temporary veep?
just wondering
the anti-thesis @ 109
The VP has no official duties other than presiding over the Senate and being a replacement for the president if necessary. So if the VP were temporarily incapacitated, the only things that would change (officially) would be that Speaker Pelosi would be considered next in line (same as if the prez and VP were incapacitated at the same time.)
Despite the tinpot empire Cheney has built for himself within this administration, the office just isn’t intended to be that important, and there isn’t a need for much protocol there.
While we’re waiting for something to happen somewhere, and discussing the abuse of the troops within the bloated, out of control military budget, and our dangerously decreasing readiness to respond to attack, we should consider aggression from Cuba.
A quick review of the latest pictures from space show increasing Cuban buildup surrounding the nearly cut off Guantanomodo base. 3 of the 5 remaining Soviet tanks are still working, and two of them can be seen badly camouflaged under that date palm over on the left, their barrels aimed directly at the camp.
All one of the weaponized fighter jets have been redeployed to the eastern side of the island. Several nearly combat ready jets were seen being hauled by pickups toward the east as well. President Chavez yesterday stated that his Air Farce could be over Cuba in 37 minutes, depending on wind conditions, if the Cubans requested it.
Several of the harbor coin divers reported seeing not only Hemingway’s beloved boat refitted with Cruz missiles (whose range varies on the proof of the rum fueling them), but spanish-speaking special forces dolphins armed with cast-off equipment confiscated from the SEALs at Fisherman’s Wharf have been on secret manouvres, readily apparent from decoded NSA sonar soundings.
It is clear that Cuba is on the ready alert.
25th Amendment calls for a VP replacement nominee to be confirmed by simple majorities in both the House and the Senate.
the anti-thesis @ 152
Well, like with Sen. Tim Johnson, he’s incapacitated but still holds the office. I think it would be the same thing for the Veep. It would be up to Johnson to decide whether to leave office. Of course, the Veep is one of one, Johnson is one of one hundred, so there’s that. But wasn’t there a President early in the 20th century (Coolidge? Wilson?) who was basically incapacitated and his wife kind of became de facto president?
When the Vice-President is incapacitated…
he goes hunting.
Redshift @ 153
thanks for the help there–of course that makes sense. I guess my mind goes to places, like it so often does with these creeps, that it might occur to someone to change the constitution to take care of that little loophole.
Tin foil thread ahead!
You have been warned.
steve @ 133
Hey, I don’t like ‘leftie’ either. ‘Reality-based progressive’ works for me. Or, ‘call me a traitor for opposing this stupid war and I’ll kick your ass progressive’
Pretty hard to get excited when our “enemies” are at best third-world countries. We spend more on the military than the rest of the world combined– year-in and year-out. Cuba has a population of 11 million, Iran- 68 million, North Korea 23 million. The GNP of California exceeds all three. Our military expeniture dwarfs all three and any other country we can name.
China is the last real potential boogey-man. At the start of the Bush administration, they were setting up China to fill that void. Then, 9/11 and 8-10K fanatics filled the role. Let’s face it, they needed a boogey-man or we might have to do something meaningful with those billions.
The fact our military is “strained” is an indictment against our leaders both civilian and military. I guess we should include the American public in that indictment for going along for the ride.
What a ridiculous story!
Crazy Horse @ 154
The lastest pictures from space also show continued shrinking of both polar ice caps. It is unfortunate that the larger view even exists. It would be far better to be blissfully ignorant of everything that this current administration is incapable of dealing with in any salient terms. Wait…that *would* be a good operating definition of ‘right’ thinking ;-}
me @ 144: Correction:
…the left-right opening is suspect.
Biodun @
87
So it’s not a Civil War after all :-(
the anti-thesis @ 138
Thanks for the link, I remember reading that one when it first published thinking that was as good an explanation as anything for the actions of Bushco. TT does excellent work I find, but this one was one of his best IMHO.
mc @
88
I thought Mary Matalin said that it was Bush that had a “magic wand” that he could wave…and the Press would follow along!
Redshift @ 153:
The VP job is what you make it. Darth Cheney seized power from a dunce. That’s all.
raven @ 128
Absolutely. This whole pile of crap is an outgrowth of the bogus Faux News story about how the Capitol Police deliberately let protesters who spray-painted the Capitol steps get away (under direct orders from Nancy Pelosi, of course!) There was never any truth to it; it was just a couple of bozos who did it and melted into the crowd before anyone saw them. It’s truly criminal that wingnut radio is using that to whip up hysteria that someone might deface the Vietnam Wall, and getting guys out there to “protect” it, just to pretend that the wingnuts or on their side, and the protesters are the enemy.
Biodun @ 143
So cheers to hotflash for doing ’some research’.
And how about a jeer to EvilDrPuma for this:
Attention Firedog shoppers: we have a blue light special on trolls in aisle 30.
Maybe if you see something that can be read 2 ways, the best thing is NOT To assume it’s a troll…
And call’em left leaning progressives if you want. I’m blunt enough to call a spade a spade. Or call a spade a shit shovel. And I see a whole lot of “lefties’ here…
Not that there’s anything wrong with them. I’m half lefty myself…
Maybe Cheney is already back in the USA, but last night I dreamed that he planned to keep circumnavigating the globe until the verdict is in.
In my dream, if Scooter was found guilty, the Dick wasn’t coming back. When I woke up, I wasn’t sure if he planned to stage his own demise or just head to Patagonia.
Anyhow, I don’t need any help to interpret that dream, but imagine my surprize when I heard about the “assassination” attempt.
CNN just conducted a live interview with an Info Ops officer from 82nd Airborne, Lt. Col. Tammy Heath, who is on the ground at Bagram AFB.
She says Cheney was over a mile away from the suicide bomber. She said he wasn’t the target – it was a coincidence that he was there. The very first thing she said was that she expressed her sincere condolences to the families of those injured or killed in the blast. American soldiers were the target – not the VP.
The rule of attack is “Never reinforce failure” said the Brigadier to his officers in the Royal Corps of Halberdiers.
“Men At Arms” by Evelyn Waugh
the anti-thesis @ 138
My theory is that the People’s Republic of China got some naughty videos of Dubya back when he was “looking for Chinese girls” while visiting Daddy in Beijing. Probably Chinese Intelligence set him up with some lady-boys or a “Michael Jackson moment” in some hotel room with hidden cameras and all. Maybe also tied with
Notice how Bush wimps out over Chinese provocations (like the forcing down of a surveillance plane and the hostage taking ofthe crew with threats that they would be tried and executed as spies) yet utterly freaks out at events that he knows are fabricated by Iran and Iraq.
The Chinese have to have something on Bush…a very real Manchurian President.
steve @ 133
Whatever we are (and I reject labeling by trolls, neocons, or any other button-pushers, as well as the idea that we can all be lumped into one simplistic category), we should definitely resist bifurcation. (Great word, Hotflash!)
johnSwifty @
162
And all versions of Google Earth show the VPs residence at the naval observatory as the only “blurred out” thing in DC.
the anti-thesis @ 109
In most administrations, the scenario would simply mean that, until the injured veep recovered, the President Pro Tem of the Senate would preside all the time, and some other dignitary would attend foreign funerals. In this administration, it would leave the shadow government (that is, the real Unitary Executive) rudderless. George W. Bush might actually have to govern all by hisself.
Not that this would be likely to yield an improvement.
Phillizy @
172
“An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.”
-unattributed quote in JFK’s speech 4/27/61 referenced in #100 above
CancerCures @ 149
Fucked up? Don’t be ridiculous. Cheney will soon ’splain to us how the bomb blast (which occurred more than a mile away from where he was, and killed 19 US soldiers) is really a sign of progress in Afghanistan.
Because he’s a half-glass-full kind of guy.
Biodun @ 131
in that case i’ll have to amend my statement to “16 years” from “10 years”. she’s even more amazing than i thought ……
I suppose this means that these fuckers will have to resort to “unconventional” methods to deal with any dissenters-er, I mean terrorists.
No, they get up every morning and say..
This is great! The US pays for huge military all over the world so we get a steady supply of oil, and then we can afford health insurance. Woo-hoo!
Ok, they don’t, but they should. “Old Europe” couldn’t even be bothered to contain the post-Yugoslavian wars in their own backyard, letting us do it instead.
Troll? No, just an opinion.
joel @ 155
There have been about a score of cases where VP’s that have died in office and the office either remained vacant throughout the Presidents term, or took over a year for a replacement to be appointed. Actually the case of the rapid passage of the nomination of Gerald Ford after Agnew resigned was an exception to the rule. Here are the situations before Ford. In amy cases the post simply remained vacated until the next election.
VP George Clinton died in 1812 -post Vacant (April 20, 1812-March 4, 1813 = 1 year)
VP Elbridge Gerry died in 1814- post Vacant (November 23, 1814-March 4, 1817 = 2 years 4 months) [Madison had bad luck with VP’s]
VP John C. Calhoun resigned on December 28, 1832 to take a seat in the Senate, having been chosen to fill a vacancy. Post Vacant (December 28, 1832-March 4, 1833 = 3 months…note that this was at the end of the term of office)
Vacant (April 4, 1841-March 4, 1845 = 4 years) After VP Tyler replaced Harrison after the latters death in office almost immediately after inauguration. Tyler didn’t seek a replacement.
Vacant (July 9, 1850-March 4, 1853= 2 years 9 months) After Pres. Taylor died in office VP Millard Fillmore who succeeded him didn’t seek replacement.
VP William Rufus King died in 1853 post Vacant (April 18, 1853-March 4, 1857 = 4 years) Pres. Pierce left the post open.
[VP position vacated for 6 years 9 months from 1850-1857]
VP Andrew Johnson Succeeds Assassinated Pres. Abraham Lincoln VP Post left Vacant (April 15, 1865-March 4, 1869 = 4 years)
VP Henry Wilson died in 1875 – Post left Vacant (November 22, 1875-March 4, 1877 = 2 years 6 months)
Vacant (September 19, 1881-March 4, 1885=3 years 5 months) after VP Chester A. Arthur replaced the Assassinated Pres. Garfield.
-VP Thomas Hendricks died in 1885 Post Vacant (November 25, 1885- March 4, 1889 = 3 years 3 months) under Grover Cleveland
[Note: VP post vacated for 6 years 8 months over prior two terms]
VP Garret Hobart died in 1899 -Post Vacant until end of term(November 21, 1899= March 4, 1901 = 1 year 3 months )under Pres. McKinley.
VP Post Vacant (September 14, 1901-March 4, 1905=3 years 9 months) after McKinley assassinated at beginning of Second term with VP Theodore Roosevelt moving to the Presidency. Inbterestingly Roosevelt didn’t fill the office despite the threat of a succession crisis.
VP James Sherman died in 1912 -Post Vacant (October 30, 1912-March 4, 1913 = 4 months). Taft leaves post open until term expires.
Vacant (August 3, 1923-March 4, 1925=1 year 7 months) after VP Coolidge replaces Pres. Taft after the latters death.
VP Harry Truman replaces deceased Pres. Franklin Roosevelt – VP Post Vacant (April 12, 1945-January 20, 1949 = 4 years!!)
VP Lyndon B. Johnson succeeds Assassinated President John F. Kennedy – VP Post Vacant (November 22, 1963-January 20, 1965= 1 year 1 month)
Crazy Horse @
154
Yikes…didn’t the majority opinion in the Jose Padilla case just state that the US Courts have no jurisdiction over the detainees in Gitmo because they are technically under CUBAN SOVEREIGNITY!!!
Is that a Green Light or what!
randiego @
160
If anyone less conservative than Lieberman is considered a “lefty” then you’ve got about 70% of the country tilting the ship to the portside!
eCAHNomics is exactly right. There absolutely is no shortage of money for DoD. This year’s DoD budget is close to 500 BILLION dollars. The entire Iraq War has been funded with supplemental budget requests meaning that is over and above the regular DoD budget.
FTR, I spent my federal career working in the DoD supply system so I know how it works. The fact is DoD spends millions of dollars on contractor help to do things like track action items from meetings, make copies, sit on conference calls, make calls to other DoD agencies and commands – to be administrative assistants. DoD spends millions on contracts for defense firms to duplicate DoD’s own supply system. There is much much more waste and duplication.
I can almost guarantee you, right now the low level worker bees (like I was), who actually do the analysis and write up the justifications for programs and fundings, in the various DoD commands are being told to “ask for the moon” because DoD knows none of its funding requests are going to be denied no matter how much our elected representatives might say otherwise.
What DoD really needs to be told is to live within the 500 billion dollar budget and that
the DoD leadership will be held responsible if
readiness and resupply continue to decline. DoD
needs to be forced to make hard choices not rewarded for its incompetece by having more good money thrown at it to fix its “problems”.
sunny @ 11
dead on. kennedy wanted to wind ‘down’ not ‘up.’ we know how well that went for him.
I once pointed this out to a war-supporter friend of mine. He said that this happens in all wars (that equipment and personnel get run down, our state of readiness, etc.).
Anyone know if this is true?
Sholom @
187
Yes, that’s true.
But, it is also true that funds for logistics, supply, training, repair, maintenance and overhaul all take a backseat to “sexy” items like new weapons (aircraft, tanks, ships, missiles, etc). Part of it has to do with the way funds are appropriated. The money for operations and maintenance, and that’s things like the money to buy everyday things like spare parts and fund repair, comes out of “today’s dollars” so when DoD needs money for something else, that’s the account that gets raided. The money for new weapons systems and other long term projects like MILCON for example is pretty much fenced off and hard to reprogram for other purposes.
The whole DoD funding system is unlike anything
anyone here has probably ever seen. Unless you’ve worked in DoD or been in the service, it’s hard to understand and even harder to explain to anyone who isn’t familiar with it.