
(Photo by Michael Probst/AP.)
***NOTE: The Prettyman Courthouse has power and is open today. EW heard from the courthouse, the jury will be deliberating. The power outage issue is in another courthouse in DC — and we will have live coverage from the courthouse throughout deliberations today. Thanks. — CHS***
Awww, poor Condi. Time Magazine says she's been booted — all the way down to the kiddie policy table — picking up on a bit of information from Sy Hersh's latest. Via Time:
In this week's New Yorker, Seymour Hersh's article describes a "redirection" of U.S. strategy involving covert activities that "has brought the United States closer to an open confrontation with Iran and, in parts of the region, propelled it into a widening sectarian conflict between Shiite and Sunni Muslims." Hersh says that the Saudi government has already cooperated with Bush's administration in clandestine operations against Hizballah, Iran and Syria. The key players behind the strategy redirection, Hersh adds, are Vice President Cheney, Elliott Abrams of the National Security Council, departing U.S. ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad and Bandar–Rice doesn't make the list….
The Saudis want to strengthen the U.S.'s hand in the region, limit Iran's emerging influence and bolster their own role as a defender of Muslim causes. But questions arise where it gets murky: Do Saudi Arabia and the U.S. share the same interests? Will they agree on methods? Who will influence the other, and will it be for better or worse? Will Bandar's counsel keep Bush out of new adventures in the Middle East? Or will the Administration's confusion about how to proceed give Bandar undue influence-and perhaps lead to some bold missteps that the U.S. will later regret? As Woodward described his relationship with CIA director William Casey 20 years ago, "Bandar had found Americans naive about the world, but here was a man with no inhibitions." Woodward adds a moment later, "Bandar knew how to have a conversation that never took place." Writing about Bandar just last week, The Washington Post's Jackson Diehl said: "Bandar's spin and dazzle make it tempting to think he can pull off almost anything."
So, is Bandar the Saudi tail that wags the American dog? His role in the recent Mecca agreement is a curious one. Condi Rice spent months beforehand arranging a summit meeting between Olmert and President Mahmoud Abbas to resume negotiations on a final settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. The move was strongly supported by many U.S. allies, notably Jordan. However, Cheney, Bandar's friend, was lukewarm to the idea, to say the least. A week before the summit, Saudi Arabia, with Iran's apparent blessing, cobbled together a Palestinian unity deal between Abbas and Hamas. That agreement, which puts Abbas's Fatah party in the same government as a group calling for Israel's destruction, took the wind out of Rice's sails. (emphasis mine)
Ouch. Perhaps a little diversion to soothe the bruised reputation? I hear Ferragamo will be having their winter clearance soon. And there's no need to wait for the next hurricane to shop. Perhaps a smack? (What? Did you click the link?!?)
Do read Sy Hersh's article, if you haven't already. I'd like some oversight on this issue, please: "While Rice has been deeply involved in shaping the public policy, former and current officials said that the clandestine side has been guided by Cheney." A shadow intel and national security apparatus being run out of the office of the Vice President smacks of subversion of the intel rules and regs. I'll be placing a call to Sen. Rockefeller today to ask about this.
And if you missed it yesterday, do go back and read through Scarecrow's fantastic post on the Hersh article — and all of the links he compiled on these intel end-runs from Cheney.
We are way past time for some accountability on this. And then some.
UPDATE: Keith Olbermann had some great thoughts on Condi last night in a Special Comment. (H/T to RevDeb for posting the link.)
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Morning Christy, all.
Nice rare picture of Condi training at The Ministry of Silly Walks.
Let’s have a verdict today, shall we?
Good morning. Balrog, WaPo says court will be closed today.
Sooo… Do I gather that FireDogs’ productivity might take a noticeable uptick today, given that (as I read at the end of the Late Nite thread) the Prettyman will be closed today for a power fix, with no deliberations? This gets me worried… what might the jury do to while away their time, pick up the WaPo? (just joking, yesterday’s shenanigans must have put the fear of Reggie into ‘em) :)
… and has it been reliably reported what the ex-juror did to get dissed?
aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh ! ! !
Interesting. WhenCondi went around/over Cheney’s head about North Korea it seems that Cheny’s star was fading, now Cheney has gone behind Condi’s back in the Middle East.
MAybe they are just carving up the world between themselves?
Lindy @ 3
They are not in the Moultrie Courthouse, they are in the Prettyman Courthouse. But that badly worded article could confuse a juror or two and cause them not to show up
looseheadprop @ 7
Hopefully, the marshals will let them know one way or the other.
I’ll be placing a call to Sen. Rockefeller today to ask about this.
You might want to suggest he drag Abrams in front of a committee and put him under oath. That man has a great deal of blood on his hands.
Gang, I’m tryign to confirm something on the courthouse issue — but I haven’t heard back from any of the folks I contacted as yet (perhaps because the power outage may be preventing a checking of the e-mail *G*). Anyway, will let you know something certain when I know it.
Mornin’ Christy
looseheadprop @ 6
Hopefully the jurors aren’t reading the WaPo anyway…
I have mixed feelings about this, since I feel that Condi (a) is incompetent, (b) is consistently disingenuous, and (c) always sounds like she’s about to have a nervous breakdown as she parrots administration talking points. So I don’t care so much that she’s out of the loop; especially becuase, even if she were a voice of sanity in the inner sanctum, I am resigned to this administration making the worst possible decisions in any situation where mutliple options exist, because Cheney is even more dangerously incompetent than Rice, and because W has the nuanced understanding of conflict evidenced by the B-card WWF wrestlers on the Friday Night Smackdown.
So while my first instinct is that it couldn’t happen to a nicer person, in fact, it could, but it never will. Ugh.
A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al-Qaeda,” Hersh concludes.
“The ‘redirection,’ as some inside the White House have called the new strategy, has brought the United States closer to an open confrontation with Iran and, in parts of the region, propelled it into a widening sectarian conflict between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.”
Some US aid distributed to Sunni groups in Lebanon falls into the hands of radical groups, US, European and Arab officials told the weekly magazine.
“We’re spreading the money around as much as we can,” a former senior intelligence official said, and that has “serious potential unintended consequences.”
Such money “always gets in more pockets than you think it will,” the source said. “It’s a very high-risk venture.”
A quote from Hersh’s article.
Isn’t this the definition of treason?
Especially in time of war?
What a time to have a nitwit for a president!!!
Digby has a really good one about the Kabuki that Harry Reid is dancing with us.
It makes all too much sense to me. It is time for more action. Harry needs to hear from us.
In case anyone missed it, KO took Condi to the woodshed last night with his Special Commentary.
Can we elect Keith to some office somewhere?
I think the court is in direct contact with the Libby jury.
Hi Pups — Slightly OT, but for whoever’s in DC on Thursday night, Joe Conason will be at Politics & Prose, signing his book (It Can Happen Here) & speaking @ 7 pm. P&P is on Connecticut Avenue in northwest DC, via either a cab ride or bus (the metro’s not as close). There’s a cafe/coffe house in the basement, and a couple of interesting restaurants nearby. Or, take the metro Red Line to Bethesda, nosh at one of the MANY restaurants, and take a cab to P&P. Restaurants also near the Friendship Heights metro (closer to P&P, but still a cab ride away).
They’re good people. Event is free. Maybe Firepups can “meet up”?
Politics & Prose
I don’t think this happened at the base my nephew is working at but my sister-in-law and brother will be worried. This a Taliban suicide bomb attack on Cheney. From the WaPo:
Scary, isn’t it?
Geez – we are in SUCH bad trouble in this country.
NPR has just announced that the jury is deliberating.
well, Cheney couldn’t trust either Condi or her ‘husband’ to think straight while they’re playing around the frat house …
Darth was hell-bent to do what he wanted any way-
Condi and her husband paved the path to do so
I kind of reckon the jury really couldn’t bring in a verdict yesterday. The Karma just wasn’t right. Jane was having a hard day by herself – glasses, phones, wallets, and maybe other missing things. There was a disturbance in the Force with the Jury.
So emptywheel has flown in to join the vigil. The pundits are in all place. The dark cloud over D.C. [Dick Cheney] is still overseas. Condi is licking her wounds from a well-deserved dose of Olberman’s finest [he even loved doing it]. Madame Curator, the now ex-juror, is at home with her Prints and Drawings [but no tee-shirt]. The planets all seem to be in alignment. It’s a great day for a guilty verdict.
But, what’s this? There’s no power and lighting in the courthouse, no bright, steady LED on the WiFi UPS? Has the launch been aborted?
Flash, it’s not the Prettyman courthouse.
Still T minus 21 and counting…
Just heard from the Court House–we’re on for today, the courthouse has power.
Oh–and greetings from DC.
With regards to the photo of Condi, is there a whip that goes with those boots?
The closed courthouse is the Moultrie Courthouse at 500 Indiana Avenue NW. Washington DC 20001.
‘Our’ trial is at the Prettyman, 333 Constitution Ave., NW Washington, DC 20001 (Third Street and Constitution Avenue). This shouldn’t confuse any DCer, should it?
emptywheel @ 24
Glad you made it OK! I am sure Jane’s Karma is much improved today.
fitz?
Hmmm, flashback to the weekend before 9/11 at the Twin Towers. ‘No power and security scanners/camera’s down’…Maybe I’m paranoid, but……..
‘The court complex lost power briefly over the weekend, and again starting at 3 p.m. yesterday. The courthouse remained open until the regular 4 p.m. closing time, but no visitors were admitted once the power was out because security scanners were not working.’
Shoes….mmmm….
Hi Marcy!
AZ Matt @
25
Check out the dude behind her, wonder what he is thinking about?
Thank you Christy.
While eager for the news from Libby Land I now learn that The Incredible Hulk makes womens shoes
Life will never be the same
Glad the courthouse will be up and running after all. I’d had to think of the 11 jurors sitting around with nothing to do but read articles by Victrola ToeSuck.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the President-in-Fact engineered the attempt to blow him up in Afghanistan today to generate fear and support for the war on Terra. But does he really believe anybody would care if he got spread around a whole bunch of real estate in small bloody pieces?
nomolos @ 33
Life will never be the same
Is this the same Ferragamo that played QB for the Rams?
emptywheel @ 24
EMP!TY!WHEEL! The goddess of all things Libby! In DC!
Shez and spiderpaws say big doings in the cosmic spheres today, something conjunction, and eclipse and um a mercury retrograde or something. Works out to problems with communications and transportation, and some huge beginnings/ends/reversals or something. So it looks like the stars are lined up for a verdict, too. Yeah, today’s the day.
Mornin’!
I’m glad I read past the first few comments or I would have gone off to do something else this morning.
Secret Service Nicknames for George Bush poses.
A variety of examples.
I have to admit, I’m partial to “Master Shake”
In the WaPo, George F. Will is being a covoluted fool today. He is kissing up to his masters in the corporate world:
The Employee Free Choice Act would short-circuit the process of persuading workers through a public debate between unions and employers, the winner of which would be determined by workers casting secret ballots.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01246.html
He must hate workers.
Taliban: Cheney was target
A suicide bomber killed at least 14 people outside the main U.S. military base in Afghanistan today during a visit by Vice President Dick Cheney. “I heard a loud boom,” Cheney said. “The Secret Service came in and told me there had been an attack on the main gate.” Cheney said he briefly was moved to a bomb shelter. The Taliban claimed responsibility and said Cheney was the target.
Where’s W lately, among all this? He seems to have dropped somewhat out of sight in the past few days, certainly keeping a lowered profile, while Shooter is uncharacteristically more active and visible. Before disappearing, it seemed W was making increasingly testy, impulsive, and vaguely belligerent personal comments to reporters. This went to extreme lengths at the Caterpillar Tractor factory a few weeks ago. Is W in some sort of imposed ad hoc rehab program, or is he just taking some time out to have his meds adjusted?
condi is like retarded or something
she had the nerve to say “congress rescinding the presidents war authority and having him apply for new war powers regarding Iraq is the same thing as the president applying for permission to occupy germany after we defeated them”
that’s paraphrased but it was to that affect
olberman points out that that is exactly was the presdident did, he went to congress and requested new powers to occupy germany
olberman is really good laughing at condi’s ignorance…c&l has a clip of it up, get a look, pretty good
. . . gets off knees where she knelt in gratitude
yeay!!! yeay Empty, Jane, and citizen journamalism ! yeay for 12 everyday Americans deciding the fate of . . .
. . .skips spritely over to coffeepot
On one of last evening’s threads, someone posted a link to Andrew Sullivan’s Daily Dish: http://andrewsullivan.theatlan…..piece.html
What do you think of the last two sentences of Andrew Sullivan’s post?
cbl @ 43
I am dying to know what’s going on in the court house
was the dismissed juror given a gag order?
EvanfromCT @ 41
He awarded the MOH to Bruce Crandall yesterday.
raven @ 40
I thought somebody was selling those guys rockets.
Must…resist…making…”booty call”…pun…
PW at 47 — You have NO idea how many times I wrote in a sentence and then took it out. *g*
cbl @ 42
Eleven
HotFlash @ 46
They hardly ever use rockets in suicide bombings, it’s hard enough to aim them without someone strapped on!
Ran across this Do-It-Yourself-Impeach-Cheney Kit in my travels. Anything useful here?
Tuesday karma:
Schuster on Imus explaining the charges and jury deliberations in the Scooter case.
Stephanopoulos talking about the Clinton-Obama dustup. Mentions that Obama’s running a Bill Clinton style campaign. Hmmmmm, let’s see, Hillary’s running a Gee-Dubya campaign. Proxy war!!!!!! My money’s on Obama.
Today Bob Woodruff will be on ABC morning show and Oprah and in a prime-time special at 10 ET regarding his own and Iraq soldiers’ brain injuries and the treatment program. Tough watching, but must-see.
The local paper led its description of the Woodruff coverage with [paraphrased] there’s stlll real journalism out there.
Schuster on Imus also said how important Scooter trial is and why he, Matthews and Olbermann are so intent on covering it. Props, guys!
Snuffy displaying his abysmal legal expertise and ability to puke up Repub talking points “underlying crime” *ahem*
Cheers this morning to the heroes, who practice their journalism! And jeers to the ignorami and look-down-their-noses snooty aristopress, who have forgotten what journalism is supposed to be.
raven @ 50
[Absolutely no jokes about any violence toward Dick Cheney or any other member of the Administration. Period. How many different ways do I have to say the Secret Service monitors this kind of thing and that we will be required to give your personal information over to them if they consider you a credible threat in any way? Do NOT do it. Period. Not kidding here — no jokes. — CHS]
A good Tony Auth toon this morning:
http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/ta/
Keith kicked Condi’s ass last night.
EvanfromCT @ 41
Dubya’s heading down to NOLA and the Coast for photo-stunt on Thursday. Any bets on whether the weasselly little J-Lie will be with him?
Gee, it’s just like the old days of 2003 when US foreign policy was determined and implemented by the Department of Defense. Now that DOD has been defanged, apparently OVP has taken over.
If you’re not a Rice fan, don’t miss Olberman’s takedown of the de jure Secretary of State.
I just thought this would be an excellent spot to quote Olbermann’s closing from his Condi comments last night.
I doubt it!
And then there’s this:
Hillary didn’t report her family charity for the last five years on her disclosure forms.
One big recipient of Hillary largesse? Yale University. How Chee-knee-esque.
I posted this at the bottom of a comment above — but I am reposting it because I want everyone to read this, think about it, and then not test my patience today. Law enforcement folks are VERY serious about this sort of thing. Thanks.
______________
Absolutely no jokes about any violence toward Dick Cheney or any other member of the Administration. Period. How many different ways do I have to say the Secret Service monitors this kind of thing and that we will be required to give your personal information over to them if they consider you a credible threat in any way? Do NOT do it. Period. Not kidding here — no jokes.
Prairie Sunshine @
56
do u have a link?
OT – chris hedges has a really good article on our current political parties / system and the history of the how we got to this place with all the “think tanks” and right-wing infrastructure.. as a history of corporations fighting back against nader inspired regulatory control – coupled with the abandonment by the dems.
really interesting take by one of our most independent and moral thinkers / reporters.
Sy Hersh to be on C-Span (Washington Journal) tomorrow…………time not announced.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
it’s both stupid and wrong. thanks, christy.
to turn on American television in the last few days would lead one to believe the resurgence of Taliban and Al-Quaeda sympathizers was a recent development
September 06
HotFlash @ 26
I was afraid it might. Not being familiar with the DC subway system, I would take a taxi tot he courthouse in the morning. 2/3’s the time they tried to take me to the DC Superior Court even though I specifically asked for Federal District Court and mentioned the Prettyman Courthouse by name.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 43
Not sure. Dick ‘going down’? So far Cheney has been getting away with everything. Unless something somes out at the Libby trial that’s way, way over the top, on the order of Dick personally ordered and planned 9/11, I can’t see today being different from any other day for The Dick.
He’s just cut Condi off at the knees by going behind her back to every foreign leader who counts for anything (and what is he saying to them that he can’t say in a phone call?) He still looks pretty powerful to me.
And as to him doing crazy things, how would that be different from what he’s been doing?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 43
Steve Clemons http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/ comments that Cheney’s travels are tied to the Libby trial.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
I support you 100%, Christy. But, independent of Cheney, the thought of suicide bombers strapping on rockets made me think of Wile E. Coyote.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 43
Cheny’s going down. From Andrew Sullivan?
JPL @ 68
To paraphrase another commenter yesterday, “How long can they keep deliberating? I’m running out of countries!” *g*
Sy Hersh never fails to come through.
As I read this, I wonder if it wasn’t something about Cheney that the dismissed juror read. She could’ve thought she was reading news about Cheney’s trip to Asia, and then came across something about the Libby trial buried in the middle of the article. To give her the benefit fo the doubt, it is something which could easily happen. And if it was as innocent as that, then she did the right thing by going right to the jury foreman with it when she got to court on Monday morning.
Yes, ma’am. Is impeachment OK?
twolf1 @ 61
Couldn’t find the news-site I saw it on last night, so I googled and here’s this:
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/w…..amp;coll=1
I see Rice as the “rational/realist” side inside the WH, relative to Cheney and the neocons (everything there has to be seen in relative terms). So I have a different (unprovable, speculative) theory about what happened to Condi in Jerusalem.
The Saudis want their Sunni-friendly Hamas to become part of the accepted framework in Palestine. They can’t move the extremists who may never accept Israel, but they did manage to get Hamas to be part of a government that de facto recognizes and deals with Israel. They moved Hamas to “respect” prior agreements with Israel. Those are big steps, and we should welcome them.
The big four, pressured by the US/Israel alliance, wanted express recognition of Israel and a renunciation of violence. The first is not necessary to move forward (and after all, US/Israel have not exactly recognized the legitimacy of any government that includes Hamas), and the second is one-side, because neither the US nor Israel has renounced violence as state policy, espcially when some other regime occupies your lands. The Palestinians can’t unilaterally agree to disarm when the Israelis are occupying their lands and sending armed incursions into their towns whenever they feel justified. No self-respecting peoples would accept such humiliating conditions.
My unproved theory is that Condi agrees with this, but cannot say it, without causing a firestorm in the US. I believe her hope was to use the new “unity” government as a way to move forward. After all, what you want is for your opponents to agree to talk with you instead of just fighting with you. By joining the unity government, Hamas accepted that. They should have been encouraged for this step, but the two other conditions, recognition and renunciation of violence, were used by the hardliners to say, “we will still punish you by withholding your money.”
The hardliners in the WH arrange a call between Bush and Ohlmert, just as Condi was on her way to Jerusalem. At the end of the call, Ohlmert announces that Bush himself agrees with his hardline position wrt Hamas, and so the talks Condi had pushed for failed — they were sabotaged before they began.
Do Saudi Arabia and the U.S. share the same interests? The Saudis own the Bush family. Neither care about U.S. interests. They care only about their own interests.
TJ at 69 — It does have a certain Wile E. Coyote je ne sais quoi, doesn’t it?
Which is not to minimize the seriousness and disgusting level of stupidity involved in strapping something to your body and then trying to blow something else up with it, but that mental image of a rocket strapped onto your person being (a) subtle enough to get through security check-points and (b)that whole flying off he edge of a cliff Coyote image that you get with the kick from firing the damn thing? More likely it wasn’t strapped to any one person, but inside a donkey cart — that’s been happening with more frequency in Afghanistan, as it is a tactic that has proved successful elsewhere, including Iraq. We’ll just have to wait and see with the news reports for further details.
I have to say, after yesterday, that I am very nervous about this verdict. I will be on pins and needles all day today. I just hope the jury does the right thing. Damn.
. . .besides, President Cheney has been busy on um, other fronts
looseheadprop @ 7
But they are not supposed to read the paper.
Thanks Prairie Sunshine
I see Rice as an amoral, lying, …well, you get the picture.
shorter CHS:
Don’t Make Me Stop This Thread !!
Condi looks like a painted she-freak in that photo. It’s clear she’s supposed to be a kinder-gentler disseminater of Bush propaganda. You know, kind of like Oprah, but with less intelligence and a less convincing ability to lie.
Seems to me that something strange is happening and Cheney is flexing his muscles a lot more lately.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
For the resons Christy lays out plus one more:
We are better than that. Do not sink to the level of people you don’t respect. It elevates them and diminishes you.
annx @ 78
We’re all nervous and on pins and needles, but we’re putting on a good facade…
What Scarecrow said at 75. Condi is much less crazy than Dick and the PNAC crowd. And if the Scooter verdict is as scary to Dick as Steve Clemons thinks I wonder why he is not intervening. Those jurors should be not just sequestered but in Kevlar.
Kudos to Judge Reggie for making everything so much in the public eye.
Hey, Waccamaw. Surgery is tomorrow. I can’t believe all this “breast stuff” is happening to me now, too.
Yikes! I can’t joke about the *thing* with Cheney. I totally understand and respect Christy’s admonition but YOW it hurts to keep it all inside!
I will utter my clever witticisms into a paper bag. (After checking to make sure it’s not wired.)
Scarecrow @ 75 – interesting theory… it certainly seems to fit what we know of the players and history.
but, if that’s the case, why didn’t rice bring bush with her (to keep him away from cheney et al.’s manipulations)?.
Fascinating and surreal article about Dick’s fabulous adventure just up at Newsweek.
this, in particular, caught my eye:
secretive, much?
(bold mine)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17…../newsweek/
(((Mandrake)))
HotFlash @67
It’s difficult to deliver the “sneer” on the telephone! Without the sneer, Cheney’s message is lost in the bass register drone of his voice.
Mickey @ 86
i’m not even attempting the facade…. pins and needles indeed.
My sons favorite computer game was “Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego”. It comes to mind because of Cheney’s travels. Now Bush is more like Where’s Waldo….
All I can say is what has America come to.
Off topic, but should there be an acquital (I sure hope not) we need to have Fitz’s back, because the entire celebrity press corps and Busheviki’s will be out for his head.
I sure hope the incident in Afghanistan doesn’t push Cheney deeper into his all ready deep dark world.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Christy, I’m an American by birth and a US citizen, but I have lived here in Canada by choice for nearly 40 years (dual citizen). We’re a generally peaceable bunch up here, you know, unarmed, with healthcare. But if American troops ever showed up in my town to ‘liberate’ me, it would be *me* strapping on whatever the hell I could find that would go boom and getting as close to as many invaders as I could. So I see their impotence, their anger, and their point.
Troops home now.
Alice @ 95
Either way they will.
Woodhall Hollow @ 72
If I recall correctly from my one high-profile jury experience, you’re not supposed to read/see any news media, not just stuff about the trial. Probably for just this sort of reason. If this is true in this case, then this sort of innocent mistake isn’t possible. (Which is not to say that another sort of innocent mistake isn’t possible, like being somewhere in public where there’s a TV on, of course.)
S.O.S. in MA @ 4
Here’s an UNreliable report:
After Government Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s summation in which he asked the jury “What’s wrong with this picture?” the jurors went into deliberation, and one of them, the Art Curator, began to tell them, chapter and verse! The others got so bent out of shape at the irrelevant critique “The Formica paneling of the jury box clashed terribly with the Judge’s eye color — and the whole courtroom composition, from our perspective, was skewed and lacking proper perspective…” that they sent out for a copy of Victrola Toesuck’s Op-Ed, successfully forced her to read it by threatening to make her wear the 12th Valentine’s Day T-shirt, and then threw her under the bus.
RevDeb @
16
It looks like Condi has been exposed as a PH(rau)D. Bet she cheated to get through HS.
That link to Olberman is great.
Good morning all!
Sunni being the key word here. It is important to recognize that the Saudi Royals have managed to hold onto power (and personal control of the KSA oil reserves and income) by giving the Sunni Wahhabist/Salafi clerics in KSA a free rein (and plenty of money) to not only rule KSA according to a Handmaid’s Tale like theocracy, but also the resources to export *this* particular version of Islam. IE, Hamas, Al Qaeda etc etc.
Part of this has involved a terrible suppression of KSA’s Shia minority, who live mainly in the oil rich provinces of eastern KSA.
I think the US is willing to do almost anything to keep the Saudis “happy” — not only for the oil but also for the other kinds of financial resources (as in Iran-Contra) the Saudis can funnel to the Bush-Cheney junta.
Ever since the 1979 Iranian revolution, the Saudis have been terrified that this expressly anti-monarchist version of Islamic governence will spread.
Alice @ 95
I agree. They will come after him like a freighttrain. Especially since the Conrad Black’s trial is right after this. Conrad Black is a big booster of the neo-cons.
HotFlash @97
Now you sound like you’re talking about me, what part of this beautiful country (with the exception of the current “new” government – which I’m glad to see the media is getting around to dissing them about the “new.”) are you in? I’m in southeastern BC.
Morning all! Keep Steve Gilliard in your prayers, looks like he is going in for open heart surgery…
http://www.thenewsblog.net/200…..heart.html
theExile @ 106
Tranna.
Hotflash @ 97– I see your point and would agree that the bombs from our planes and our other munitions are more than a bit lethal too– just not so up close and personal at times.
They fight the war they were dealt with what they’ve got, not the war they wish they had been dealt with what they really wanted– or something like that.
Troops home now.
Redshift @ 99
I agree with what you say in principle: it seems that she should’ve known better. But I am taking Walton at his word in his description of it being and “innocent” (dumb, clueless!) mistake in that she somehow “thought” she was allowed to read about “non-trial” news and in reading about Cheney’s trip to Asia….
funny that,
didn’t see any of these kidz at the breakfast photo op
Alice @ 95
Mary Jo White had it right:
Pat is well respected by judges he has appeared before, the prosecutors he was worked with and the defense lawyers he has been up against. That will not change with one verdict. The man has a lifetime of excellent work under his belt and of repectful and honorable business relationships. None of that will change.
That is the only thing that needs be said. And it should be said win or lose, or mistrial. Not that I expect a loss, mind you.
(((Mandrake)))
(((Steve)))
(((Jane)))
HotFlash, I hear the gravity is especially strong there at the “center of the universe.” I’ve never been east of Thunder Bay or Detroit.
Cheney has a “problem” with the plane. A bomb goes off close enough for him to hear and feel the blast. His right-hand man is about to go down BIG-TIME. Fitz in his closing makes it quite clear he has his sights on DeadEye for Round 2.
Soon, Dick and Ken Lay will be slapping each others backs on a remote island while mixing each other pina coladas. Just a thought…
“You’ve been lying
When you should have been truthin’”
Also, it is interesting that Cheney was over-seas when the Iraqi Cabinet “reached” an agreement concerning the sharing of the oil revenues. The “PSA” )production sharing agreements) are going to be a windfall for the big Oil companies.
Take this little snippet:
“The draft law has a compromise: regions can enter into contracts, but a powerful new central body, the Federal Oil and Gas Council, would have the power to prevent the contracts from going forward if they do not meet certain prescribed standards, Mr. Salih said. A panel of oil experts from inside and outside Iraq would advise the federal council on the contracts.”
This is what Bush has been waiting for…This in IMHO is why we are still there…..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02…..aq.html?hp
bonkers @ 115
that thought has crossed my mind, too. :)
btw — digby’s site has done 2 or 3 great posts on the Hersh article that are definitely worthwhile. Start with this one.
Elliott @ 118
I just hope this doesn’t mean we will soon be bombing another country in retribution.
presque vu @ 116
dam* you. I’ll never get that song out my head now.
I think you should be banned from comments for life for that one ! ;)
guys, today’s the day.
feel it in my bones.
as far as condi, she like gonzales and the other stooges of the authoritarians have always provided ample evidence that this administration is a triumph of the toadies.
at her best, condi merely gave cover to a thuddingly stupid president; she never helped to direct policy — that was for the big guns, cheney, rumsfeld, rove.
now that they’re in the last desperate years of their time at the helm, condi is going to be hung further and further out — the preferred object of ridicule. because if she’s catching the flak, then others don’t have to.
and i shed no tears for her: if nero was first with his fiddling while rome burned, then condi’s shoe shopping while new orleans drowned is certainly in the top 10.
i like josh marshall’s meme about cheney — that he’s the crazy uncle of american politics. the real way to dilute his power and impact is, like all the best comics know, to mock him relentlessly. hard to be taken seriously when you’re everybody’s punchline.
Mandrake @ 88
{{{{{{{{{{ mandrake }}}}}}}}}}}
Best, best, breast of luck with the surgery. So, you ever think about dragon boat racing?
looseheadprop @ 112
When has anyone’s reputation or service mattered to the Bush administration? That is why we are having a trial. It is perfectly clear that the neocons have learned nothing from Libby’s indictment and trial. They still practice Rovian politics to the nth degree.
Condi may just be sitting in a corner while Cheney, Abrams, and Co. make policy, but it’s more than just Condi. By keeping her at arms length, they are also keeping the State Department career folks out of the loop as well.
That’s what worries me.
Lord, I cannot wait till this administration is over.
Is this the thanks Condi gets for having an affair with the chimp?
annx @ 126
let’s just hope we’re still here by then
A. J. Greif @ 127
Are we allowed to make jokes about this?
More deliberation please! I was struck that Fitz argued to the judge that the jury had ONLY deliberated for 2 days. He’s expecting a drawn out meticulous process. I think signs of impasse would have been seen already, and the jury would be asking the judge to call it a day by now.
dorothy @ 129
Do we even know fersure whether they even “play on the same team?”
There was no “problem” with the plane. It was a feint so he could board an unmarked plane to Pakistan for a “surprise” visit. Speaks volumes when even he agrees to use stealth when visiting our “allies”.
Mandrake -
Sent you a short response to your e-mail of yesterday a.m.; let me know if not received. Lots of positive thoughts winging your way; per one of my favorite songs, “All shall be well again.” Keep me posted asap. It is SO good to see you back at the Lake.
Mary Jo White had it right:
Pat is well respected by judges he has appeared before, the prosecutors he was worked with and the defense lawyers he has been up against. That will not change with one verdict. The man has a lifetime of excellent work under his belt and of repectful and honorable business relationships. None of that will change.
That is the only thing that needs be said. And it should be said win or lose, or mistrial. Not that I expect a loss, mind you.
looseheaddrop – have you ever seen Z? All I am saying is that Fitz will need our support.
Pectopah @ 132
We have no allies. Only business partners.
new thread.
EvanfromCT @
41
Excellent observation. The ludicrous spectacle of Cheney’s one man revival tour abroad, timed to sap life from stories of the Libby verdict, turns out to have literally blown up in their faces. W is in an equally unlikeable pickle post verdict, as the questions will be a tsunami on that day, one he will be ill equipped to handle. I’m not even sure we won’t be seeing Dick resign, post verdict.
Mandrake @
88
Best of luck, Mandrake. Hope it all goes well for you, you will be in our prayers.
annx @ 124
No, What MAry Jo said is the point we have to make. Over and over.
I don’t think Condi was brought into the Bush administration to be competent. She was brought to be obedient. It’s the one thing she does really well. The woman does what she’s told. Cheney always knew she was no match for him.
Now, let’s have that GUILTY verdict today.
Whatever the verdict is (we know it will be guilty), Fitz will be fired next week – he will be the ninth fired DA. Cheney will not let Fitz investigate into Cheney matters.
We rejoice this week and will be saddened next week.
theExile @ 114
Well, I like it a lot, but I don’t understand the obligatory resentment — and I recognize that it’s formal, but still. Or, even more. Me, I wonder why a certain province keeps threatening to separate, and this is the first time in my lifetime the the PM hasn’t been from there — I don’t count Kim C ;) And we figure we got trashed by rural Ontario, they ganged upon us and did the megacity, which we hate and which is breaking us. It’s that Simon Fraser Institute, AEI north. And the C D Howe Institute here. Kvetch, kvetch, kvetch. Nothing like FDL up here yet, alas. Some good starts but nothing’s hit critical mass yet.
EPU’d from last nite:
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Thot U all might find this interesting: Late this afternoon, about a half-hour before the jury was sent home, a new person showed up over in the “Gabbly chat.” There were about 20 of us around, and the crowd was beginning to thin out a bit. She (because she later self-identified as a 12-year-old girl) was very curious as to what we were all doing there, how old we were, what our various life experiences were, and the like. She really “sounded” genuine, and was genuinely shocked at what she heard us telling her about the state of the country, and that the President and Vice President had likely committed treason.
It was really a nice session; it felt like us older folks were “clustering around” this new member of the clan, who took the handle “Sharon,” encouraging her interest, praising her curiosity about politics, and helping with her political and Civics education. Though it is sad to pass on our communal vision of the rotten state of the country, it felt good to be speaking truth to someone who gets so little of it in the rest of her life… I know we all will be happy if she shows back tomorrow… I just wanted to tell U all this FWIW.
S.O.S. in MA @ 143
Pardon me, I smell a rat. On the internet, nobody knows you’re NSA.
Yah Hotflash, I thot of that too. No way to tell of course, for sure, but judging from reaction time (which is quite visible in Gabbly) she sounded authentic. Tnx for the caution flag of course…
Thanks angie, SOS & Hotflash for the virtual hugs – hope I didn’t miss anyone! I am very, very fortunate in my diagnosis and have an excellent surgeon and supportive family. I have much to be thankful for. Insurance issues have turned into a nightmare but that’s a long story and I will get by.
And of course, Waccamaw, ‘ppreciate your friendship so much! Hope we can connect again in Asheville soon. I have not received your e-mail, though.
Only thing that really hurts is not being able to joke about the, um, you know *Cheney thing*!
; )
Mandrake @ 147
{{{{one more for you, Mandrake}}}}
dorothy @ 129
We are talkin’ here about a WMD (Woman of Mass Destruction) and the pretend Preznit.
dmg@122
Being the object of most people’s derision doesn’t seem to even slow these guys down. How long has most of the World consider Dubya just a synonym for incompetence and retardation, yet he still is at the helm trying to destroy the USA, the Constitution and the World. And then there’s the President-in-Fact, hiding overseas or in his bunker using his joy-stick to guide planes around during NORAD drills.
Oh, and thank you so much Jane! I just read your comment. I have so enjoyed your posts and seeing you on PoliticsTV! Seeing you, Christy and Marcy makes me so proud to be a woman! You guys have made journalistic history and have left all those pudgy, white male TV pundits and establishment journalists in the dust with your excellent reporting!
Don’t mean to gush, but I think this is really, really significant, especially considering how the establishment press has been forced to acknowledge what you have done and are doing. You have given serious progressive journalistic blogging the credibility it has been denied for so long.
I hope in the future I will develop a teensy smidgen of your fearlessness.
Jane Hamsher @ 138
Oh, and thank you so much Jane! I just read your comment. I have so enjoyed your posts and seeing you on PoliticsTV! Seeing you, Christy and Marcy makes me so proud to be a woman! You guys have made journalistic history and have left all those pudgy, white male TV pundits and establishment journalists in the dust with your excellent reporting!
Don’t mean to gush, but I think this is really, really significant, especially considering how the establishment press has been forced to acknowledge what you have done and are doing. You have given serious progressive journalistic blogging the credibility it has been denied for so long.
I hope in the future I will develop a teensy smidgen of your fearlessness.
woops, sorry I goofed my response to Jane, y’all! Gave her a double dose of admiration, but then, she deserves it!
HotFlash @ 123
Sounds like fun but I’m a loooong ways from Canada!
As a Secretary of State, Condi is a great piano player.
But that’s about all she does well.
Condi Rice: Booted?
Seemed like this would happen in fact, if not in appearance, when John Negroponte came on board recently at State.
Peterr @ 126
Good point, Peterr. This is why Condi Rice is so god damn incompentent. It was the same way at NSA – She had no idea the responsibility and authority that came with her post. She needs to stare Deadguy in the deadeye and say ‘This is in my realm of power’. If she did her job instead of letting others do it for her, maybe we wouldn’t have been burned on 9/11.
Or maybe we should have just had an official who knew what the fuck they were supposed to do.