Comments on: Libby Trial: What Is An Allen Charge? http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:48:03 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: romat http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-524818 romat Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:45:02 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-524818 <p>Is it really the *duty* of the jury to reach a unanimous verdict, or just to try their best to do so? Reasonable (and unreasonable) people can differ about the interpretation of a set of facts, let alone the value they place on different factors, and that may even be an accurate or fair reflection of what’s been presented to them. A lot depends on the nature of the issue and the values of the jurors. But by calling it a “duty,” you implicitly eliminate the juror(s) who holds out for good reason.</p> Is it really the *duty* of the jury to reach a unanimous verdict, or just to try their best to do so? Reasonable (and unreasonable) people can differ about the interpretation of a set of facts, let alone the value they place on different factors, and that may even be an accurate or fair reflection of what’s been presented to them. A lot depends on the nature of the issue and the values of the jurors. But by calling it a “duty,” you implicitly eliminate the juror(s) who holds out for good reason.

]]> By: process server http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-524432 process server Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:00:03 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-524432 <p>Given Defense’s demonstrated contempt for process integrity (Libby/cheney bait-and-switch), I’m sure that Ms Art Curator realized, with help from Slugworth, that her plutocrat DC art patrons are vastly disproportionatly from Irving’s ethnic community.</p> Given Defense’s demonstrated contempt for process integrity (Libby/cheney bait-and-switch), I’m sure that Ms Art Curator realized, with help from Slugworth, that her plutocrat DC art patrons are vastly disproportionatly from Irving’s ethnic community.

]]> By: pacalo http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523847 pacalo Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:11:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523847 <blockquote><p>Shorter version: Each juror must reach his/her own decision and not merely surrender to group pressure. However, each juror should also listen to the views of his/her fellow jurors with a mind open to the possibility of being persuaded by the views of his/her fellow jurors.</p></blockquote> <p>*sigh* If only the Republicans in Congress conducted themselves in the same manner. No lock-step voting, no arm-twisting, no heaven-knows-what-is-held-over-their-heads to get the results they want.</p>

Shorter version: Each juror must reach his/her own decision and not merely surrender to group pressure. However, each juror should also listen to the views of his/her fellow jurors with a mind open to the possibility of being persuaded by the views of his/her fellow jurors.

*sigh* If only the Republicans in Congress conducted themselves in the same manner. No lock-step voting, no arm-twisting, no heaven-knows-what-is-held-over-their-heads to get the results they want.

]]> By: torrance http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523576 torrance Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:05:55 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523576 <p>illegal w/h secret wiretap of jurors for blackmail starting to pay-off… eh</p> illegal w/h secret wiretap of jurors for blackmail starting to pay-off… eh

]]> By: JP http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523566 JP Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:04:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523566 <p>CNN is reporting that the juror was dismissed</p> CNN is reporting that the juror was dismissed

]]> By: JoyB http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523558 JoyB Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:02:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523558 <p><a href="#comment-523313"><em>cbl @ 30 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>jeebus Christy - am trying so hard t/b a good little Plamer - <em>hands folded in lap, ankles crossed </em>- but what the hell does ‘exposed’ mean in this case -</p> <p>okay, sees Christy’s note above, <em>refolds hand, purposefully, deliberately exhales . . .</em></p></blockquote> <p>Maybe they saw Scoots trotting by in his earmuffs?</p> cbl @ 30

jeebus Christy – am trying so hard t/b a good little Plamer – hands folded in lap, ankles crossed - but what the hell does ‘exposed’ mean in this case -

okay, sees Christy’s note above, refolds hand, purposefully, deliberately exhales . . .

Maybe they saw Scoots trotting by in his earmuffs?

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523532 Adie Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:56:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523532 <p><a href="#comment-523410"><em>squirrel hiller @ 123</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>so hard to avoid the media in today’s world. maybe a jury composed of the following would work:<br /> *the amish,<br /> *off the grid types,<br /> *someone raised by wolves,<br /> *sunny von bulow who suddenly wakes up from her coma,<br /> *or those folks in the biosphere</p></blockquote> <p>;-></p> squirrel hiller @ 123

so hard to avoid the media in today’s world. maybe a jury composed of the following would work:
*the amish,
*off the grid types,
*someone raised by wolves,
*sunny von bulow who suddenly wakes up from her coma,
*or those folks in the biosphere

;->

]]> By: HotFlash http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523519 HotFlash Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:52:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523519 <p><a href="#comment-523325"><em>Fitzmas @<br /> 42 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Time to book 16 suites at the St. Regis and sequester these pups.</p></blockquote> <p>Looks like the horse has already been stolen.</p> Fitzmas @
42

Time to book 16 suites at the St. Regis and sequester these pups.

Looks like the horse has already been stolen.

]]> By: HotFlash http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523514 HotFlash Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:51:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523514 <p><a href="#comment-523312"><em>raven @ 29 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Sitting in the waiting room of Lynchburg General Hospital, my father in law is having heart surgery. I’m hoping for a double play her!</p></blockquote> <p>Thinking of you, Raven, and your dad-in-law, and my dad. Hope all goes well for you there.</p> raven @ 29

Sitting in the waiting room of Lynchburg General Hospital, my father in law is having heart surgery. I’m hoping for a double play her!

Thinking of you, Raven, and your dad-in-law, and my dad. Hope all goes well for you there.

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523486 Christy Hardin Smith Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:45:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/libby-trial-what-is-an-allen-charge/#comment-523486 <p>rocket scientist at 179 — He smiles a lot with his mouth, and his eyes crinkle up — but it doesn’t actually reach his eyes. Don’t read anything into it other than he knows the press is keeping an eye on him any time he’s near the courthouse.</p> rocket scientist at 179 — He smiles a lot with his mouth, and his eyes crinkle up — but it doesn’t actually reach his eyes. Don’t read anything into it other than he knows the press is keeping an eye on him any time he’s near the courthouse.

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