
(h/t to the Women's Conference for the photo)
While the jury continues their deliberations, the world keeps spinning on its axis.
Last December, Pach highlighted the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids on various Swift meat processing plants, sweeping up all manner of workers. Some were legal, others were not, but "working while brown" seemed to be the common denominator. One of the most problematic issues, to me, was the handling of children and families. Little thought seemed to have been given to how to deal with the children in school whose parents were swept up. Churches and other groups stepped up, but the lack of concern on the part of ICE for the children affected by this was appalling.
This past Thursday, the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service (LIRS) and the Women's Commission for Refugee Women and Children, two well-known and non-partisan NGOs, released a report entitled Locking Up Family Values (large pdf – 2 MB). It details the conditions at two model "family detention facilites" run by ICE, and the story is appalling.
Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service and the Women’s Commission for Refugee Women and Children felt it vital to examine the implications of this expanding penal approach to family detention in order to inform the development of policy and practice that serves the best interests of children and families. To that end we visited both the T. Don Hutto Residential Center and the Berks Family Shelter Care Facility and talked with detained families as well as former detainees. What we found was disturbing:
• Hutto is a former criminal facility that still looks and feels like a prison, complete with razor wire and prison cells.
• Some families with young children have been detained in these facilities for up to two years.
• The majority of children detained in these facilities appeared to be under the age of 12.
• At night, children as young as six were separated from their parents.
• Separation and threats of separation were used as disciplinary tools.
• People in detention displayed widespread and obvious psychological trauma. Every woman we spoke with in a private setting cried.
• At Hutto pregnant women received inadequate prenatal care.
• Children detained at Hutto received one hour of schooling per day.
• Families in Hutto received no more than twenty minutes to go through the cafeteria line and feed their children and themselves. Children were frequently sick from the food and losing weight.
• Families in Hutto received extremely limited indoor and outdoor recreation time and children did not have any soft toys.
And that's just from the summary.
But this list is clinical and antiseptic. LIRS and the Women's Commission opened their report with something more direct: the words of children from these detained families:
Dominica is a Honduran asylum seeker detained with her two children at the T. Don Hutto Residential Center in Taylor, Texas. Nelly is nine years old and Alice is three. At night they all sleep together in the bottom bunk of their jail cell because they are afraid. Nelly says, “If you are not good, they will take you away from your mom.”
Dominica is almost seven months pregnant. The doctor has told her for months that her baby is underweight. He has told her she needs to eat more. But she says she can’t. “The food doesn’t work here. I cannot eat it.” She explains that the food is “difficult to eat” and she doesn’t get much time. “There are only a maximum of 20 minutes to eat and I have to feed my children first. They do not eat quickly. You are not allowed to take food out of the cafeteria, even if you haven’t had time to finish. Something like bread or an apple…they take it away. It is so sad to throw something like that away because you could not eat fast enough.”
Dominica requested parole over two months ago. Her mother is a legal permanent resident and she has passed a credible fear interview. She still has not a received a response to her request. She is afraid that she will have her baby in jail.
Dominica’s story is just one of countless tales from detained immigrant families. A small child’s note, slipped into the hand of a member of our delegation, sums up their pleas: “Help us and ask us questions.”
The report and the news conference that accompanied its release have generated a couple of articles, but the story has more or less disappeared into the vast news coverage of the "war on terror," the Iraq debate, and Anna Nicole Smith. Still, here are snippets from the coverage to date.
From the Boston Globe:
"What hits you the hardest in there is that it's a prison. In Hutto, it's a prison," said Michelle Brané, director of the detention and asylum project for the Women's Commission.
At a news conference, the groups alleged that some families are kept up to two years in the facilities and that those petitioning for asylum or trying to prove they shouldn't be deported are forced to stay there the longest.
"We are taking people who fear persecution and locking them up," said Ralston H. Deffenbaugh, president of Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services.
From the NY Times:
“The prisonlike conditions, this form of detention, is not necessary,” said Michelle Brané, who heads the detention and asylum program at the Women’s Commission for Refugee Women and Children.
“We release criminals,” said Ms. Brané, pointing to parole and monitored supervision programs. “Yet for immigrants in civil proceedings, they have not explored those options. And these are families with children.”
From the Philadelphia Inquirer:
At the Hutto facility, one woman reported she had not received a prenatal medical exam until seven months into her pregnancy. Other detainees reported delays in receiving medical care, the report said.
It said the care of pregnant women had improved at Hutto since researchers who prepared the report had visited the facility. But the report criticized Hutto for continuing to transport pregnant women to the hospital in handcuffs.
Staff at both facilities threatened to separate children from their parents as a means of control, the report said.
"All families interviewed express a general sense that they were disrespected by staff members, frequently yelled at and issued unnecessarily harsh punishments for behavior as simple as not being able to do homework for lack of a pencil," it said.
Whose family values include denial of adequate prenatal care to those in your custody?
Whose family values include the denial of sufficient clothes to get from laundry day to laundry day?
Whose family values include four hours of school (up from one!) a day?
Whose family values include inflicting psychological damage, with little care and concern for the consequences?
Whose family values allow parents only 20 minutes to feed themselves and their kids, and won't allow anyone to take an apple out of the cafeteria?
This is what we get from the Lou Dobbsification of the immigration debate, which argues (in essence), "These aren't people — they are criminals who chose to break our immigration laws and ought to be punished and deported." This dehumanizes everyone – both those in custody and the custodians who guard them.
We're talking about people here – some of them quite young.
We're talking about families here – some of them quite devastated.
We're talking about ourselves here – this is our government at work, doing all this in our name.
Some of these folks in detention may indeed have broken the immigration laws of this country, but that does not give us the right to do what this report describes when we detain them. LIRS and the Women's Commission describe the failure of ICE to live up to a legal settlement from a 1996 case (Flores v. Reno), the failure to put the force of regulation and law behind what few guidelines they do have in place, and the failure to treat those in detention with basic human dignity.
But LIRS and the Women's Commission aren't simply wagging their fingers at ICE. The report includes detailed recommendations for addressing the situation, many of which would require nothing more than employing a little common sense in place of fear and craven political posturing.
Of course, that may be asking a lot, given the track record of Michael Chertoff and the Department of Homeland Security. Maybe if Congress exercised a little oversight . . .
Related posts:
- Who Will Stop the GOP’s Relentless Assault on Traditional Family Values?
- Early Morning Swim: Another Family Values Republican Goes Down Edition
- Marriott Calls Rape Victim “Negligent,” Outs Her to Family & Friends
- Sunday Late Night: Roy Blunt’s Values are Being Challenged
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Fitz!
My first zed!
SharonRB @ 0
Congratulations!
Did Jane find her wallet and phone yet?
I didn’t know she lost them. That’s terrible.
Who signed off on this policy? Leaving aside the question of legality, is this just yet another example of “passing the buck” in this dysfunctional administration?
Jeebus… every Senate committee and sub-committee Chair could hold hearings for the next year and we’d still not see the end of this black hole of inhumanity and criminality.
This policy exisists because someone is making money from it. The “prison” is run on a for profit basis. What are the chances that food and medical care will be adequate when profit is the motive?
FishGuyDave @ 4
It’s Chertoff’s department, so I’d start with holding him accountable. I wonder if Joe Lieberman, chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, is looking into this.
OK, maybe we should be asking if Rep Bennie Thompson (D-MS2) wants to look into this. Somehow, I just don’t see Joe asking tough questions of anyone.
But really, this whole mess is yet another symptom of the “we don’t need no stinkin’ badges” mentality of the broader administration.
The company that runs this facility (built at local tazpayer expense) is corrections corp. It makes its money by running prisons. It is not the government that is holding these people. It is private industry.
Power out at the court house….
Jane just walked back in… Should have updates soon….
NPR’s Morning Edition had a heart-breaking story this morning on illegal immigrant cases and jail space:
Listen here.
Just to be slightly contrarian, let me throw out an ‘innocent’ explanation for the MMA print curator’s information search.
Perhaps instead of looking for information specifically on the trial, she thought it might be useful to learn more about memory and the ‘memory defense’. The report in WaPo indicates that she was one of the heavier notetakers during the trial, so there’s reason to believe she might have actually been engaged during the proceedings and wanted to participate.
Anyway, while researching the memory defense, she comes across an article about the Libby trial. Certainly easy enough to do if she was doing her research via Google.
From there she brings the information with her into the jury room, not realizing that she shouldn’t have been researching the ‘memory defense’ since her initial motive / curiousity didn’t have to do with the trial specifics, but the reliability of memory in general.
I’m not sure I believe this myself, but wanted to throw it out there as an example of just one way — I’m sure there are others — that the curator’s dismissal from the jury might have innocent causes, in contrast to the general speculation that she wanted off the jury, or sought to sway the outcome with unadmitted evidence.
http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf
This is the plan.
Who the heck is in charge in this country (don’t answer that — it’s rhetorical)? Between what’s going on at Walter Reed and stories like this, I’m ashamed of being an American. The Dems need to take control and start fixing things quickly. My fear is that there’s nothing quick they can do.
actually, ICE is headed by Julie Myers (niece of former Chairman Joint Chiefs Richard Myers) and oh look, she’s appointed her first crony ! aaah
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt…..01493.html
Introducing cgreen’s Magic Translator of Republican-speak.
Place handy catch phrase inside: “Family Values” and soon you have the standard English translation (Fuck everyone except the base.)
You want to see that again? “Support the Troops” ….
cbl @
13
True, but ICE falls under the broader umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security and she reports to Chertoff.
Heckuva job, everyone!
I blame Connecticut.
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LS @ 11
Am I the only one that finds the word choice of “Endgame” by DHS vaguely Stalinist, if not Orwellian?
/tin-foil hat
Nothing will change in this country until we get rid of the false notion that private industry can do everything better than the government. They don’t pull people off of rooftops during floods better, they don’t fight wars better and they don’t run detention facilites better. Businesses are for making profits. Government is for protecting the defenseless in our society. Rant over.
JGabriel @ 10
She would be violating the rules of evidence by researching memory on the internet – regardless of whether she came upon information specific to the Libby trial.
FishGuyDave @ 4
Probably. And I know where the buck needs to finally stop, as far as I’m concerned, but I also want to see it do some bouncing around on its way to Bush’s desk.
dorothy @ 18
Rant over and amen’d on.
And an edit: how are you able to post comments if the power is out? Laptops have batteries, but what about the servers/interent connection?
*xyz @ 19
It’s all moot, anyway. She’s off the jury.
Katrina and Hutto – it’s pure Victorian England: Charles Dickens would have a blast!
Jokes from the media room:
Let’s tell ghost stories…
That will teach them to boot an art curator from the jury…
I guess this means the jury is in the dark too….
QuentinCompson @ 16
Interestingly, Chris Shays sits on the House Homeland Security Committee, and he had to have been scared by the Democratic efforts in CT last fall. Calls from any nutmeggers who want to make their thoughts known might be able to push him to ask a few questions.
Peterr @ 6:
Unfortunately, Joe Lieberman has other priorities. This is what he wrote in the WSJ op-ed page this morning:
JGabriel @ 10:
My instincts tell me it was something innocent like what you have described. Accidental or otherwise, innocent.
No foulplay.
But people are talking about that ‘asterix’ on the result of this trial. I’d bet that if Libby is taken down on any of the charges, there will be no doubt quiet mutterings on the right that IF there were 12 jurors, everything would have been different. But since the process has been faultered, the results will be negated in their mind.
Let’s look at ourselves in the mirror – Some on the left will be disapointed and ignore the results if Libby gets off the hook, and fingers will point toward that one juror who was removed as a sign that the trial did not go smoothly.
No matter what, the results will be questioned. That is why Fitzgerald is annoyed.
dorothy @ 18
Absolutely correct. But we could also stand to start remembering that the Constitution and Bill of Rights exist to restrict and constrain the actions of the federal government, whether they act without restriction or constraint themselves or through corporate proxies. There’s so much wrong with these immigrant detentions and nearly everything else we’ve seen HS and DoJ doing that it’s hard to know where the best place is to start kicking asses.
Peterr,
this facility is literally down the road from my little patch of heaven – am going over now to the local paper to see if they’ll report on Lutheran Women’s findings at a minimum – thanks for this
Aldon Hynes @ 24
Hi Alton, thanks for the liveblogging and sorry we broke your server.
I don’t understand though — does this mean there’s a power failure at Prettyman?
Biodun @ 26
Of course. In writing my comment at 6, I left out the fact that Bennie Thompson is chair of the House Homeland Security committee. We’re much more likely to get some questions asked on the House side of the Capitol.
How do we combat all this idiocy and horror? There’s so much to do, witness this from Obsidian Wings on Uganda:
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com…..index.html
cbl @ 29
Great – but they are two different groups, not one. Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service in DC is one, and the Women’s Commission for Refugee Women and Children in NYC is the other.
The server is better, mostly, don’t worry about it. As to the power failure, it much of the old building at the courthouse. The elevators are apparently still running, and there is power in the new wing.
It is not clear if the jurors have power, but there are plenty of jokes about people being in the dark…
The only light in the media room is from the glow of everyone’s laptops.
I find it interesting in the DHS, “Endgame” plan, that they define alien as ANYONE who is not a U.S. citizen. In the past one referred to illegal immigrant or legal immigrant. The new terminology that these people use, let’s just start with Fatherland, I mean Homeland, is all indicative of the mind-set of these people. It walks like a duck…
Word is that the jury room is without power, but they have a window and are proceeding with the light coming in the window.
Aldon Hynes @ 36
Ah, daylighting. The original green building technique!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a trial covered this closely — are they all this exciting?
Hotflash 38: Wait till Cheney is on trial ;)
Hey folks, if your comment gets stuck in moderation, please don’t repost it repeatedly. The mods will free the first one as soon as possible.
Also, using multiple screen names is reason to be banned from this site. Please pick one and stick with it.
Hi Peterr, excellent post.
Not clear how much time left on the WiFi UPS… Perhaps 30 minutes… If the power isn’t back on then I’ll have to resort to smoke signals.
Aldon Hynes @ 41
Thank you for your service to your country!
A pity Reggie’s not on the bench. He’d have a thing or two to say about the Court’s budget!
Gotcha Rev,
ya can’t throw a rock in my little town without hitting a Lutheran church, so thought it might have a little more heft – thanks again, as I am certain I would have missed both reports had it not been for your post
Aldon Hynes @ 41
If I remember my Vatican smoke signals correctly, white smoke means we have a verdict, and black smoke means no verdict.
Or would that mean that the jury elected Scooter as Pope?
More updates….
People stuck in elevators…
Jury has power…
Courtroom is without power…
Lawyer’s rooms are without power…
Verdict can’t be delivered if there is one, since the court reporter is without power…
headed out the door but
fyi – MSRNC appears to have placed the story of fired USA’s in heavy rotation
This reminds me of what the white man did to the American Indian. Put the Indians on reservations and take the children away to boarding school to teach them to be good little “white” people. Some things never change.
Aldon Hynes @ 41
Black smoke for guilty and white smoke for innocent?
Peterr @ 45
I don’t know who is smoking what here, but it has been a long strange trip today!
HotFlash @
38
Unless you are a party or one of the lawyers, no. Trust me on this.
Peterr @ 45
First a Polish guy then a German but a Jewish dude?
Aldon Hynes @ 41
Not to worry about smoke signals, Aldon. Some here can read them. *g*
Bonnie @ 48
Same in Australia – see the movie Rabbit Proof Fence – should be on DVD.
petedownunder @ 54
It is. Excellent movie.
Jane, let’s get this straight.
You’ve lost your glasses, your wallet, your phone, and now power?
LS @ 35
‘Alien’ is the correct (legal) term for non-citizens.
Pat_AlexVA @ 56
Don’t forget the undies!
TJ @ 58
My goodness, how could I forget!
EW – got a ticket yet? We’re on pins and needles here.
Aldon Hynes @ 46
Would be funny if Jane and Comstock got stuck in an elevator together. :)
An earlier post today had an cited excerpt–I believe from the Sy Hersh piece or commentary on it?–that included the phrase “too ethical” in re Negroponte. Why he was moved from Homeland Security to State.
So here we have it: “compassionate conservatism,” neocon family values to match their value of the Constitution and separation of powers, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Building 18, Katrina, lies into Iraq, Security breach in the Plame/CIA leak case, Abramoff and public corruption enabled up to and including the dismissal of attorneys prosecuting….
When are the Republicans going to take accountability for these tyrants having taken over their party?
When are the Democrats going to stop being so timid in exercising their Constitutional responsibilities against this de facto dictatorship?
When is the former Connecticut for Lieberman going to stop stonewalling hearings in his committee and giving cover to their malfeasance?
When is the media establishment, MSM, elites going to stop spinning and enabling and colluding for this group of tyrants and fulfill their First Amendment responsibilities?
When is enough?
Have they no shame?
Do the monsters know they are monsters?
Impeach Bush/Cheney
ADB HRC
#58. Thanks for the correction.
Pat_AlexVA @ 56
She may be without electricity but this lady keeps her power!
randiego @ 60
Yup, last flight into Dulles tonight. Though I gotta say, it looks like I’m flying into the Twilight Zone, not Dulles.
P J Evans @ 57
True, but there is still that little question of distinguishing between legal and illegal aliens. Having not read the document, I will refrain from drawing conclusions on that.
Thanks for the post, Peterr.
Democracy Now did 4 stories and interviews last Friday on the Texas jails that folks might find helpful (and tragic).
The stories from the 23rd are listed first at the link.
http://www.democracynow.org/se…..mmigration
Thanks for the update Peterr. *sigh*
Democracy Now also did a good piece on Friday.
Raymondville: Inside the Largest Immigration Prison Camp in the US
emptywheel @ 65
So you’re going back after all? Find someone to dog-sit?
TJ @
58
And yet you trudge on. The true spirit of journalism. Take that MSM.
Fuckety, fucking, fuck!
EW…the good thing about buying a full fare ticket is the full refund you can get if you don’t need to use it! (Mr. martha will be flying into DTW as you are flying out using the ticket he bought 2 hours ago. Ah, clients.)
Whew Marcy, thought I was going to have jump in my car and drive you there pronto! Would in a heartbeat ;)
SharonRB @ 69
No. I told the dog it was as important as pigs ears and that Jane needed reinforcements. And he said I could go back.
I get the feeling that we’re writing a book with our posts that we should entitle, “Zen And The Art Of Waiting For A Jury Verdict.”
*xyz @ 19
Oh, I agree. I’m just pointing out that *she* may not have realized that, if her intent was general information rather than Libby trial specifics.
And that’s my main point, regardless of the details in the example — that there may be innocent, or at least semi-innocent, ways in which she could have become ‘tainted’.
Evildrpuma #67:
Here is the DHS ICE document – Endgame, if you want to read it.
http://cryptogon.com/docs/endgame.pdf
raven,
How goes the heart surgery?
Hi angie :)
egregious @ 78
Thanks for asking. Two valves instead of one. He’s on the heart and lung machine and it figures to be a long haul. Usual FUBAR with folks that were supposed to update us but falling between the cracks.
egregious @
78
What could be taking so long? Even going through all of the timelines, etc., it’s still a case of whether or not he lied. The evidence that he did seems overwhelming to me. Are they just debating whether he didn’t actually lie but just didn’t remember correctly? I could see it taking a long time if they were debating the actual outing but they aren’t.
Marcy,
That’s pretty late when you’re getting in, and the plane’s not too full so you can stretch out. It’s a little late for me to take you into DC but I will hover by the phone in case you need anything.
Okay, I apologize for sleeping until noonish today.
Everyone has already seen this regarding the Museum curator getting kicked off the Libby trial, yes? Huff post had it dated about 20 minutes ago, but some of us get here later than others.
EW — I’m impressed. You have a talking dog?
TJ @ 58
I’m afraid to ask – Jane lost her undies? I’m sure there is a very reasonable story attached to this but I can’t quite think of one.
I know she lost left her phone & wallet in the ladies room. Now her glasses and undies?
And why is the courthouse without power? Because of the weather?
Teresa @ 82
It’s not the same thing to have twelve (now eleven) people going over the evidence together as it is to go over the same evidence in the privacy of one’s own mind. Patience, my young Jedi.
Teresa @ 82
The only way you could come to the conclusion that Libby was telling the truth would be to believe that 9 people misremembered the same thing in the same wrong way.
SharonRB @ 85
Doesn’t everyone?
I’m sitting here crying as I read this. I’m not only crying for these people, but for my country as well.
raven @ 80
egregious @ 78
Thanks for asking. Two valves instead of one. He’s on the heart and lung machine and it figures to be a long haul. Usual FUBAR with folks that were supposed to update us but falling between the cracks.
*******
egr: It takes a long time but a lot of that is just getting set up on the heart-lung machine. The actual procedure is pretty straightforward compared with many we do. Then assuming his ICU care is attentive you ought to be ok. Age and overall health are presumably issues.
It’s sort of like the trial—just because it’s taking a long time, don’t worry! And where I work we never tell the families anything DURING the surgery, only after.
OT, but of general interest in these threads:
Another Ohio Voting Flap: Rural Board Withholds Records
http://thebellwetherdaily.blogspot.com/
BTW, scroll down and you’ll find an interview with the ol’ frogger regarding the 2008 elections. This blog was started by a longtime correspondent for the Cleveland Plain Dealer who not only was keenly aware and respectful of fdl, but was floored when I identified myself in a casual dinner conversation as “froggermarch”, a lowly commentator on the site. I guess he had followed fdl’s coverage of the Mean Jean Schmidt-Wulsin race last fall and had been wondering who froggermarch was!
TJ @ 58
I hope the verdict comes in soon, or we’ll see Jane doing her report for PoliticsTV wearing nothing but a barrel…
CancerCures @ 27
Yes. If I were Fitz, I’d be pretty annoyed about a juror getting themselves tainted, no matter the juror’s perceived disposition to the case. And I suspect that was what caused the irritated manner commented upon, more so than Walton’s decision.
Although, honestly, guilty or not guilty, whichever decision is reached, the best disappointed partisans will be able to argue is that the 12th juror *might* have hung the jury. Which is not a very compelling argument to anyone who doesn’t already agree with you.
emptywheel @ 74
EvilDrPuma @ 88
Plus maybe the food is really good, or a couple of jurors are sweet on each other, or someone hates their homelife and is trying to stay as long as possible. Who knows?
Update on Jane? I can be there in a Baltimore minute (which means about 90 minutes) if she needs an escort, dinner companion, someone to do her laundry, you name it. But then, Pat_AlexVA would probably beat me to it.
BushCo has done tremndous damage to this country domestically and abroad.
One has to be an optimist. But it’s a struggle, no question of that. Things are so bad on most fronts in this country. I said most, not all.
From time to time, it’s necessary to retreat to family, friends, and loved ones for what marxists would call “labor reproduction.”
But the struggle in the political, cultural, social, and economic, and legal spheres must continue.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 79
hey there! I guess you follow the same news that I do ;)
Democracy Now! is a national treasure, much like FDL.
*xyz @ 19
Indeed. The jurors should have received instructions from Walton not just to avoid media coverage of the trial, but from attempt to do any research, legal or factual, relating to any of the issues in the trial. Or from relying on any specialized knowledge or expertise that they have (for example, if there was a lawyer on the jury, the lawyer would have to ignore his/her own views of the law and accept the judge’s instructions as to the relevant legal principles).
Word now is that it is something that happened out on the street and may be affecting a few other buildings. It is not the fault of the Washington Post, people assure me.
Great job Peterr. Thanks for hitting this!
oh and Peterr (and Pach), these raids will be much more commonplace soon. trust me. DHS has only just begun.
tbsa @ 86
Keep in mind the structure of the charges. The jurors will decide the Cooper charges independently from the Russert charges. And for the Cooper charges, it’s just 2 people telling the same story–and Jeffress did some damage to Matt Cooper. So they may well be wrapped up on the Cooper charges, having already decided the Russert charges.
JGabriel@ 76 says:
Wouldn’t it have been a strong part of jury instructions that they were to consider only the evidence put before them in the courtroom? Not to go on fishing expeditions?
And in the Dept. of Concentration Camps, if you missed 60 Minutes last night, they had a powerful segment on a children’s opera put on by kids in a “potemkin” camp during WW II. And those kids who survived returning for a revisit. Bob Simon’s piece.
Those who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat it, and then there’s Bush/Cheney. Not history’s actors…history’s monsters.
The CCA and ACA has lost a lot of steam since 2000. In the 90’s they were all the talk – Investors were predicting that the private prison industry was one of the fastest growing.
Then it started to slow down real quick. I can’t give any reason why, except the fact that states did not see any real gain from these for-profit institutions.
Some don’t even have libraries, or they limit their rehabilitation classes heavily.
The prison industry is vile due the fact that it grows and gains money with more imprisonment. Lobbyists who work on behalf of these prisons try to affect law enforcement and push harsher sentences for lighter crimes. Drug offenders? Do you know how many drug offenders are in prison? ??
Some light numbers to digest for lunch – 7 million people behind bars, on probation, or on parole. That’s more than any other country in the world. More than Iran, more than China, more than Russia, more than Argentina or Colombia.
And Americans want more punishment. What the fuck?
This thread is staying nice and clean. Can’t say the same for the gabbly chat.
Aldon Hynes @ 100
I blame Clinton.
Power outage finds Jane and Comstock stuck in the courthouse elevator. Sharp stares. Icy silence. Then:
COMSTOCK: You’re the katty b*tch who wrote about the 3 inch roots.
JANE: Unlike the aspens, they’re not connected to anything of substance. And I’m not the one defending treason!
The air freezes. Then Jane, glaring, recognizes the ringtone on the phone going off from deep in the bowels of Comstock’s 10 yr old Hermes bag.
I have another theory about Edna Mode the Art Lady’s exposure to forbidden info.
This weekend she was walking through a Metro station when she happened upon an acoustic-guitar-wielding, playing-for-tips troubador singing S.O.S. in MA’s new hit song, “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald.”
Intrigued, she stopped and listened to the whole thing. This a.m. she told her fellow jurors about her experience. Her fellow jurors, still miffed about her refusal to wear a red t-shirt, and looking for an excuse to get rid of her, then told on her.
It takes a long time but a lot of that is just getting set up on the heart-lung machine. The actual procedure is pretty straightforward compared with many we do. Then assuming his ICU care is attentive you ought to be ok. Age and overall health are presumably issues.
It’s sort of like the trial—just because it’s taking a long time, don’t worry! And where I work we never tell the families anything DURING the surgery, only after.
I’m trying to be patient. I really hoped that the jury would be very thorough even though the evidence seemed pretty obvious. I thought it would take about three days. Now, I’m starting to worry that they are trying to find a way to find him innocent even though they have so much evidence that he isn’t.
Of course, the fact that I won’t be able to follow this on Wednesday is making me extra anxious. It has to be today or tomorrow (or Thursday) or I’m just going to be sick. I don’t know how the attorneys and defendant can deal with this without jumping out of a window.
Pat_AlexVA @ 106
Tattler!
Pachacutec @ 101
Just taking my turn at it – now if we could only get some House Homeland Security Committee folks to give it a try.
LBrowne @ 93
Jane is definitely giving ‘her all’ to this trial….
Check out the picture of Shrub tying a medal around a VietNam vet’s neck at CNN.
Looks like that might be hard work. If only his tongue were sticking out (DarkBlack)…
Wolverine @ 109
Actually, I think the song she heard was the Edmund Fitzgerald and she got all confused.
ugh Peterr that report is 1001% heartbreaking. What is this country morphing into ?..(don’t answer that, it too is rhetorical also) I am a retired social worker, with a bonified bleeding liberal heart. I believe in a social safety net.
I believe this country can do so much better. Where is the LOVE ? dorethy i second your rant.
Marcy dispite my fixed income, just bought your book. Thank you Thank you. For being such a friend to Jane. (thats what finally got me to click, when i ought to be saving my dough) Its a small price to pay.
Thank you all for being a fighters for justice, using your fine minds and health to bust through these walls of creeping facsism. I stand in awe of all you heavy hitters here at FDL. And what Jane has put together with others is groundbreaking. The book company and who knows what is next.
TeddySF is right, dispite a low income a little investment does empower we who may be sidelined. We can offer some support no matter how small. CHS has also reminded us of that.
Just made my first of hopefully more contributions. and will continue to keep my promise (to myself mostly) to continue to lurk. I get overcome with rage to post coherently much of the time. You guys are some heavy hitters. But look in the bleachers WE readers/lurkers are cheering you on !!!! People hit the tip jars above. If you have been waiting. Now is the time.
Balrog @ 114
Uh, that would be the Medal of Honor.
SharonRB @ 112
Give me the link, I want in!
Emptywheel- please explain “as important as pigs’ ears” for those of us who don’t speak Texan?
Peterr @ 112
On this issue, I was very disappointed that Senator Feinstein responded to my human-rights concern with a (tardy) snailmail mentioning identity theft, border security, employer sanctions, and illegal immigration. Kind of soup-to-nuts but without a main course addressing the primary thrust of my communication.
True emptywheel. The Cooper charges would be the hardest for me as well.
One more question while we wait – if Scooter is found guilty of any of the lying/perjury counts, does that mean he obstructed justice by default?
raven @
118
Thanks.
Twisted Martini @ 119
http://www.gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
twisted – I sent you a response
3:58 PM … Nada
When do they adjourn?
Pig ears are a staple of dog-treat land.
conniptionfit @ 119
Dogs love dried pig ears to chew on.
The power is still out. Reports are now circulating that the UPSes in the building are failing and that the power failure is outside the building, and also affecting the Superior Court building.
conniptionfit @ 119
It’s dogspeak for “the best treat in the world.”
Or humanspeak for “I can’t believe I feed my beloved mutt animal body parts, in still-recognizable form. But he likes it, so…”
TeddySanFran @ 120
TeddySF – was that DiFi or Russ?
Aldon Hynes @ 41
‘Infomania’ worse than marijuana
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4471607.stm
Careful with that smoke.
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I head this on the radio this AM. The official they spoke to wouldn’t let NPR interview detainees “for their privacy”. All I could think was “whose proivacy are your referring to? the detainees, or the camp’s?”
Disgusting.
Thconniptionfit @ 120
lol, that’s not Texan talk, that’s dog talk! My doggies understood exactly what she meant.
Peterr.Wow,this is horrific.I have read many articles on FDL over the last year or so which have left me depressed/sickened/angry etc,but this one………………..
THIS IS A FUCKING SCANDAL WHICHEVER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT.
It seems that there are no depths to which certain departments of the administration in your country will not sink.How many more examples will there be of people being treated as a commodity,dehumanised and having even the most basic rights taken away for the flimsiest of reasons,often for no reason at all,before something is done about it?
To think that this is where 21st century Amerikkka has come to makes one realise how far there still is to go in terms of bringing your country round.I salute FDL once again for your efforts in this respect,you are a national treasure,make no mistake about that.
OT.I noticed in the UK press today that the recent decision by the slimy one(Blair) to withdraw troops from Iraq has a downside,with the announcement that he is sending approx 1,400 MORE into Afghanistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afgh…..49,00.html
Will that man EVER learn ?And although we will not have him in charge for much longer,there is no guarantee that Gordon Brown will be any improvement.Ah,Well !!
Love & Peace as always.Laters.
Mickey @ 125
5:00 or whenever the power goes completely, I’d imagine. They probably want to get the jury out before the elevators go entirely.
proudprogressive @ 117
Thanks for the support – verbal, financial, and otherwise!
Part of what holds many otherwise progressive folks back from jumping in to do something is the sense that they are alone. FDL is proof that there are plenty of progressives willing to stand up, speak out, and support those in public life who do likewise.
h/t to all the rest of you lurkers and infrequent commenters. You also serve who read and lurk!
This topic, “Family Values,” makes me think of the Menendez Brothers…
Peterr @ 113:
What? You’re not even going to give the Senate Committee on Homeland Security a chance to set things right?
what is that gabbly thing? What a time waster, ;)
I am a Montana resident. I was sick when I read about this in December. Now Senator Tester is serving in office. I have contacted him. Thank you for raising this issue. We have to tell our representatives that this needs to stop.
Teresa @ 121
No. They have to decide he lied to corruptly obstruct the investigation. So there’s one more level of hoop-jumping to get through the obstruction charge.
But if they do convict on the Russert charges, I can’t see that Obstruction would be that far behind. If they believe Libby lied about Russert, there’s only one logical motive why he’d do it. With teh Cooper, again, it’s more ambiguous.
Conviction by Candlelight
… it has a nice ring.
Verdict sans WiFi
… priceless.
urban pirate @ 140
Using gabbly keeps some of the load off of the FDL server. We use it for side conversation.
Biodun @ 139
If Joe didn’t see fit to issue subpeonas to DHS over their response to a disaster that encompassed the entire Gulf coast and displaced millions of people, I don’t see him getting worked up over a couple of little ICE houses.
But I would be delighted – absolutely delighted – to be proven wrong. Go ahead, Joe: make my day!
TeddySF – oh never mind – realized my senatorial confusion the second I asked that silly question. :(
On power outage in certain crucial precincts of DC:
Ask Darth Cheney about that. Why do you think he’s delaying his reentry into the US as much as possible? He’s running out of countries to drop into unscheduled.
Twisted Martini @ 120
http://www.gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
Aldon says:
It is the same mindset that carried out the deportation of Katrina survivors from NOLA. What the survivors went through was horrific enough. Then, they were herded like cattle or Jews in WWII Europe, onto planes and buses with little thought to where the families were going or whether they had all of their children with them. This is what comes of a government that believes it is giving needy people a handout, that they are charity cases, that they stupidly got themselves into the mess they are in and they don’t deserve respect or dignified treatment. How do the people in charge dare call themselves Christian?
Power is mostly coming back… Power strips are working… Lights in the halls are working… The UPS for the Wifi has stopped beeping… We’re probably good to keep hanging out….
Aldon Hynes @ 150
Bet you didn’t think your first day of liveblogging was going to be so damn trippy, huh?
dab_from_CT @ 87
well ’tis said that those Plame House pillowfights get pretty violent :)
TiredFed @ 96
Marcy’s coming in late tonight. Pat has the glasses. Pach is around. I can cancel work and come in tomorrow if necessary. So looks like you and I are the backup plan.
Portia #150.
From Editor and Publisher,
“Barbara Bush said: “Almost
everyone I’ve talked to says we’re going to move to
Houston.”
Then she added: “What I’m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.
“And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this–this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them.”
portia.vz @ 150
portia.vz,
That’s a very good question. An even better question is how do the people who “call themselves Christian” rationalize electing them? We’re all wondering about that too…
emptywheel @ 152
Bet you didn’t think your first day of liveblogging was going to be so damn trippy, huh?
I’ve live blogged plenty of events over the past few years, but never, I mean NEVER have I been through anything like this.
Now, they are piping in John Hiatt over the long speakers…
Just like your Dad did…
CityGirl is here, she came down to the courthouse and came to my rescue.
Nothing happening, power went out in media room & jury room (though it’s on in other parts of the courthouse). Media room with lots of computers looks spooky but cool.
newspaperbrat @
146
Some Senators are more fine than others….
Aldon Hynes @ 156
I’ve live blogged plenty of events over the past few years, but never, I mean NEVER have I been through anything like this.
Now, they are piping in John Hiatt over the long speakers…
Just like your Dad did…
The tech guy (I forget his name, but he’s very cool) likes to give us lots of variety. Country day wasn’t so good, though.
Guess I’ll get the chance to meet you tomorrow, unless those jurors get busy in the next 45 minutes.
SF re-enactment of the fabled Plame House pillow fights
dorothy @ 95
emptywheel @ 74
SharonRB @ 69
emptywheel @ 65
randiego @ 60
EW – got a ticket yet? We’re on pins and needles here.
Yup, last flight into Dulles tonight. Though I gotta say, it looks like I’m flying into the Twilight Zone, not Dulles.
So you’re going back after all? Find someone to dog-sit?
No. I told the dog it was as important as pigs ears and that Jane needed reinforcements. And he said I could go back.
EvilDrPuma @ 88
Teresa @ 82
What could be taking so long? Even going through all of the timelines, etc., it’s still a case of whether or not he lied. The evidence that he did seems overwhelming to me. Are they just debating whether he didn’t actually lie but just didn’t remember correctly? I could see it taking a long time if they were debating the actual outing but they aren’t.
It’s not the same thing to have twelve (now eleven) people going over the evidence together as it is to go over the same evidence in the privacy of one’s own mind. Patience, my young Jedi.
Plus maybe the food is really good, or a couple of jurors are sweet on each other, or someone hates their homelife and is trying to stay as long as possible. Who knows?
Everybody needs to relax. Juries typically take a long time to reach a verdict, particularly if a lot of documents have been admitted into evidence. Imagine how many times that a juror might say, “I remember that the government introduced a document that had something in it that said, “abc, xyz.” Another juror responds, “Yeah, but that’s not what it said.” Then they have to paw through all of the documents to find it and, of course, it’ll be the last document in the whole bunch. Then, of course, they will want to listen to Libby’s grand jury testimony, probably more than once. Inevitably, some disagreement will pop up regarding what he said, so they’ll have to listen to his testimony again and, of course, it’ll take them several hours to find the relevant portion of the recording. Although they probably have transcripts of his testimony, they probably will want to listen to his voice, if not for nuance, then to compare what he said with the transcript to eliminate the possibility that the transcript may be wrong.
Don’t forget how long it took us to appreciate how all this fits together.
Of course, there’s always the possibility that they enjoy putting the world on hold while they sit around, read magazines, tell jokes, and eat at the court’s expense. Maybe they reached a verdict and they’re just slacking.
Seriously, I had to wait three weeks for a verdict in a federal drug-conspiracy case that I tried.
By the way, Libby won’t be able to complain about the outcome of deliberations by an 11-person jury since his lawyer asked for it.
It’s really touching to see people willing and offering to take care of Jane. That’s really great. FDL rocks!
urgent: zig alert!
Jane Hamsher @ 157
I’m coming in on the last flight into Dulles–I’ll get in at around midnight. You comfortable leaving the door open and trusting the virtual poodles? Or do you want to leave keys out?
mind the zigs!
Biodun @
147
Did he land in DeeCee over the weekend, then head to Oman and Pakistan? Or go to Oman directly from the “scheduled/diverted” stop in Singapore? Isn’t it odd he’s not in the country when the jury’s in session and might return a verdict?
“spooky but cool”:
assonance & alliteration
[couldn’t resist]
emptywheel @
165
Yeah emptywheel! No poodles, just me. I took the train. I’ll be there…
Some nice woman just turned my wallet in, so I’ve got my cell phone back. Whew. I felt really cut off there for a bit.
this is a great follow up. Is there a site dedicated to this issue yet?
Let’s all harken back to our detention of the Nisei, Sansei and Issei. It is an analogy that is too familiar to today’s issues with detainees from various locations. You only have to be different to qualify to be imprisoned against the laws of our land.
we always over react. would that our tic’s wouldn’t feed on that for their own power
There must be hundreds of talented reporters in the DC area. So how does Mike Allen get his milquetoast mug on the TV? I guess his stenography would never be as loyal to power as Sue’s at WaPo, so he had to turn up someplace. /just picqued off
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I’m coming in on the last flight into Dulles–I’ll get in at around midnight. You comfortable leaving the door open and trusting the virtual poodles? Or do you want to leave keys out?
May I humbly suggest that these kinds of details would be better hashed out via some other mode of communication.
virtual poodles?
Jane Hamsher @ 168
Cool. How about the underwear?
Some nice woman just turned my wallet in …
Give that woman a dog! Or a lake or a fire or something!
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Sorry if this is old or faux news but I just came across the link.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index986.htm
Mickey @ 156
Because very few people who call themselves Christians, are. What they are is christianists, they get their “values” from people like Jerry Falwell and Ted Haggard, and what they spew has little if anything to do with Christ.
empty wheel,
I can pick you up at Dulles tonight (still living grad school hours, we are).
mb
Notta Flatlander @ 177
however, the bold-faced voice of god is probably correct
(((raven’s relative in surgery)))
A hearty hip-hip-hooray to the turner-inner lady!!
newspaperbrat @
176
yikes! 3 dead in attempt to arrest Cheney? sounds wacky…
Notta Flatlander @ 177
In that regard, I was delighted to see that one of the two groups issuing this report comes from my own Lutheran church.
Jane, there are any number of stores downtown for undies and such like. From the courthouse, you’re a 10 minute walk from Macy’s.
Jane, my offer still stands. I would iron your shirts any time!
emptywheel @ 160
Guess I’ll get the chance to meet you tomorrow, unless those jurors get busy in the next 45 minutes.
Actually, I think we met at the National Conference on Media Reform (and I think somewhere else, but I can’t place it). My recollection is that you sat a few seats over from me during the panel which Chris Nolan and Jay Rosen was on.
Anyway, thirty minutes to go. The monitor is still out. The John Hiatt album has ended and the lights in the media room are still out.
So, it looks like I’ll be here for another fun day bright and early tomorrow.
oxide @ 185
Marcy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade will feature Rove being frog-marched out of the White House.
The systems are not all up yet, so even if a verdict came in, it is unlikely that the judge would accept it until tomorrow morning. People will probably be leaving soon.
QuentinCompson @ 171
1. Lazy bookers
2. Network-hackpub deals
3. Allen never turns down a chance to be on the teevee these days.
LOL
Tonight on SPIKE TV. CSI…
“Eleven Angry Jurors. A holdout juror is murdered behind closed door deliberations”
I kid you not!
Lights just came on in the media room, as did the monitor….
If the jury go home again tonight==may they all be good boys and girls this time…
Aldon Hynes @ 192
my contempt for Joe Lieberman is back online.
newspaperbrat @ 176
Doesn’t sound real to me. Would have been hard to keep this secret. Too bad the part about the military trying to arrest probably isn’t true, though. I’d so love to see that.
new thread from Phoenix Woman.
punaise @ 188
Marcy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade will feature Rove being frog-marched out of the White House.
…and a hella big Cheney Balloon!
In other Republican legal scandal news:
Former Ney aide pleads guilty in congressional bribery case
http://www.examiner.com/a-5866….._case.html
I still do not understand how Ney himself can still be walking around when he was sentenced over a month ago. Or how he can have a BOP register number but not be in BOP custody. I smell a big, fat commie rat.
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Warning. I am not a politician nor an economist, as will be obvious.
Something occurs to me about this above quote and without too much fore-thought I’d like to run something past you all. I was having a discussion about the meme of govt waste vs privatisation.
It seems many corporations seem happy with 10% profit and bids seem oriented around that. I asked what they thought would be an amount of waste (govt) that would make them feel uncomfortable. Three such discussions yielded about 10%.
Then I said, well, how about private expenditures that solely are for the benefit and “well-being” of the company, like advertising and general lobbying?
Add to that the lack of transparency due private corporations vs the relative openness to complete audits of govt agencies and three groups came over to my side.
That is, for x amount of dollars invested in a service, assuming a govt that is barely awake, it is likely cheaper to do a job within the govt entity vs outsourcing such services.
Any thoughts?
Dru @ 197
Marcy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade will feature Rove being frog-marched out of the White House.
…and a hella big Cheney Balloon!
Freudian slip there? Marcy’s….
punaise @ 183
Oh indeed – know its sounds wacky as can be and I’m just sayin’ it gave me pause cause it apparently was all over the world wide web in the dead of last night and anything mentioning Cheney catches my attention 24/7.
QC @ 198
Self surrender happens.
Cozumel @ 191
I think it’s just peanuts.
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QuentinCompson @ 203
Ha, yeah. It’s a rerun. I’ve seen it before too ; )
SharonRB @ 200
no slip
Well, I spotlighted this article to CT newspapers, pointing out that this all falls under HoJoe’s “watch,” emphasizing the child abuse part. I wrote that I think it is the press’ duty to put pressure on a nonresponsive Senator. (Monseigneur no longer responds to constituents like me.)
(It’s hard to write like a sane person when you are shaking with indignation, but I tried.)
punaise @ 194
Your contempt runs off a line cord? I thought it was self-powering!
Thanks for this, Peterr. I had no idea…Everywhere I turn, something has gone bad and needs fixing.
Jane Hamsher @ 169
Exhales. That is really good news. Good Karma begets Good Karma, etc.
Fresh thread for everyone, up top and ready for the reading.
“This is what we get from the Lou Dobbsification of the immigration debate”
What, is Karl Rove now wrting the posts here? Sounds just like him.
Allowing illegal immigration is a tacit wage depression policy. Interesting to see the Corporate Right and White Upper Class Left uniting in an anti-middle/lower class strategy.
P J Evans @
207
it’s a hybrid. trying to cover all bases.
There is so much love here at FDL ! i get a thank you from Peterr (go figure) Citygirl gets to Jane, YAY, Marcy is on her way, and thank heavens for honest people, Jane gets her stuff back..
Now we have to get this country back on track to being at least the psuedo humanitarian place it aspired to be. My first thought when out on the streets protesting prior to this FUBAR occupation was : how on earth are we going to care for wounded vets. (social worker brain)
The jingoism, the NSA, the Patriot Act, the trashing of constitution and bill of rights. Due process. The racial profiling, data mining. The list is so long. These so called Christians have unleashed so much hate. Truly they are the Reich wing. YOYO economics. Beating on the teh gays, cronism what about the disenfranchized we cannot all be in the ownership class nor do we have lily white skin…and the list goes on and on.
No real committment to the environment. Gawd last night i cried when Gore did not announce that yes he would run. (not funny)
big love going out to you all from New Mexico ! Can you feel it ? I will be lobbying tomarrow for our domestic partnership rights. yep, even sitting in the gallery during a state house vote can count for something. Thanks for the encouragement Peterr. And Egregious, thanks for all the risk taking you do as well. Its people like you who do empower so many of us, to do what we can.
((((FDL)))
EW – If you ever need a dog sitter I know someone who will come to your home to walk/feed/stay if you are in metro-Detroit.
Jane Hamsher @ 169
Hooray!!!!!
Notta Flatlander @ 177
Mostly because their religiosity can disguise the fact most of them are morally and spiritually bankrupt.
Jane Hamsher @ 169
emptywheel @
165
Jane Hamsher @ 157
CityGirl is here, she came down to the courthouse and came to my rescue.
Nothing happening, power went out in media room & jury room (though it’s on in other parts of the courthouse). Media room with lots of computers looks spooky but cool.
I’m coming in on the last flight into Dulles–I’ll get in at around midnight. You comfortable leaving the door open and trusting the virtual poodles? Or do you want to leave keys out?
Yeah emptywheel! No poodles, just me. I took the train. I’ll be there…
Some nice woman just turned my wallet in, so I’ve got my cell phone back. Whew. I felt really cut off there for a bit.
*******
Oh YAY!!!!!
Your cel phone fits in yr wallet?
Very petite. I approve.
I thot I had the smallest phone in existence.
proudprogressive @ 231 And Egregious, thanks for all the risk taking you do as well. Its people like you who do empower so many of us, to do what we can.
((((FDL)))
Well that’s pretty timely. I’m sitting here feeling glum that I didn’t go into court today, I might have spared her the wallet/phone thing. And I don’t think I should drive emptywheel from the airport to downtown at midnight. Instead I am working on my Russia stuff.
Where are my priorities??????
egregious @ 218
Don’t worry, someone will turn them in at the Lost and Found.
{{{{{{ Egregious }}}}}}}}
Someone will turn my PRIORITIES in at lost and found?
707!!!
Egregious i guess there is a lesson there in letting go…see there are people who do step up, as they can, when they, in ways that they can. We must believe in community. Its not all on us as individuals..Will that bill pass tomarrow IF i am not there in the gallery. I made my calls to the reps. Point is we do as we can,when we can.
Besides not being there gave others a chance to step up for Jane and FDL. And likewise all these over welming socio/political issues. gotta trust those who can do, will do. And in fact are doing. Don’t be so hard on yourself.
So in order to prevent burn out we must give ourselves permission to not be all things, to all people ALL the time..
and the beauty part is ..its all turning out just fine. i second TSF..yay for the turner in lady !!!!
“Don’t be so hard on yourself.”
What in the world will I think about then?
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! WHO IN GOD’S NAME AT DHS DESIGNED THIS CONCENTRATION CAMP! HOW DID DHS BECOME LIKE NAZI GERMANY! WHERE IS BUSH’S COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM! WHO ARE THESE FACISTS!
Is there still in God we trust on the dollar bill in the United States or is it all going to Halliburton and Corrections Corporation of America to jail fathers, mothers and their children just pursuing the American Dream? Who do these bureaucrats think they are and how do they sleep at night waiting for their pensions to vest to cash out at taxpayer expense after subjecting families to such degrading and humilliating treatment?!? Enough is enough- and where is the media and Congress- why isn’t Congress all over this betrayal of supposed American family values?!? CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIAL ASAP to protest yet another instance of Bush’s betrayal of family values! And why don’t we demand that the unelected DHS officials responsible for this horror show be FIRED NOW without their pensions!
Peterr.
Thanks so much for the immigrant family report. I am in despair over what you’ve reported, what Scarecrow reports today, what is in Newsweek today, (vs. what was really anticipated in the Senate hearings on the 1-2 year Petreaus’ appointment as head of “surge” activity). There is so much lieing across the
board on everything that matters to me about
reasonable morality, much less denial of real Christian values. I find so little that has any real value or basis for hope.
Thanks for your always upholding visions for moral integiry.
Bless you.