Comments on: Meanwhile, Back at the Courthouse… http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:55:23 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The Gun Toting Liberal ™ » Blog Archive » Libby Trial in the Tank http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-525271 The Gun Toting Liberal ™ » Blog Archive » Libby Trial in the Tank Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:29:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-525271 <p>[…] Other Bloggers Weighing In On The Topic: Wonkette; Crooks and Liars; Firedoglake (best Scooter Libby coverage on the ‘Net); Pajamas Media […]</p> […] Other Bloggers Weighing In On The Topic: Wonkette; Crooks and Liars; Firedoglake (best Scooter Libby coverage on the ‘Net); Pajamas Media […]

]]> By: annabanana http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-524217 annabanana Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:34:07 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-524217 <p><a href="#comment-523669"><em>lf @ 171 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>-your groin will fare better with nothing close-fitting,<br /> -and juries deliberate without news hitting<br /> -and if info’s pure then the verdict’s most fitting<br /> -like the undies would be if the groin weren’t long-sitting<br /> -and scooter is guilty and admin’s most foul<br /> -he gave up his soul, now it’s time for the towel.</p></blockquote> <p>Now THAT is lovely. I didn’t think it should pass without comment.</p> lf @ 171

-your groin will fare better with nothing close-fitting,
-and juries deliberate without news hitting
-and if info’s pure then the verdict’s most fitting
-like the undies would be if the groin weren’t long-sitting
-and scooter is guilty and admin’s most foul
-he gave up his soul, now it’s time for the towel.

Now THAT is lovely. I didn’t think it should pass without comment.

]]> By: Dean’s World http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523860 Dean’s World Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:16:23 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523860 <p><strong>Juror Dismissed in Libby Trial</strong></p> <p>Stay tuned, word of possible juror tainting.</p> <p>Live blow-by-blow account at Orient Lodge.</p> <p>Update 11:48. As Dave Schuler noted in comments, one of the jurors</p> Juror Dismissed in Libby Trial

Stay tuned, word of possible juror tainting.

Live blow-by-blow account at Orient Lodge.

Update 11:48. As Dave Schuler noted in comments, one of the jurors

]]> By: theExile http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523826 theExile Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:06:29 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523826 <p><b><a href="mailto:hesikastor@188">hesikastor@188</a></b><br /> I realize that Hitler killed himself and Eva Braun in his bunker, what I meant was they would have been dragging him out soon.<br /> <b><a href="mailto:farender@186">farender@186</a></b><br /> I’m not an expert in pre-WWII German history, but I always understood that he was elected the first time in the thirties and figured it was because of the politics of division (just like the divider you guys have) and capitalizing on German disaffection due to the onerous Treaty of Versailles. At least then he and Bush are the same in that neither one was actually ever elected. The first time Bush was selected by Ronnie and Daddy’s SCOTUS and the second time they just cheated (ie OHIO).</p> hesikastor@188
I realize that Hitler killed himself and Eva Braun in his bunker, what I meant was they would have been dragging him out soon.
farender@186
I’m not an expert in pre-WWII German history, but I always understood that he was elected the first time in the thirties and figured it was because of the politics of division (just like the divider you guys have) and capitalizing on German disaffection due to the onerous Treaty of Versailles. At least then he and Bush are the same in that neither one was actually ever elected. The first time Bush was selected by Ronnie and Daddy’s SCOTUS and the second time they just cheated (ie OHIO).

]]> By: hesikastor http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523783 hesikastor Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:51:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523783 <p>it did get in, late, sorry</p> it did get in, late, sorry

]]> By: hesikastor http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523779 hesikastor Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:50:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523779 <p>I keep trying to paste in a quote from fitz’s own desk, but it won’t go through. IF you check, he says he was pissed because quote, I had a full house and Randall was all in, unquote.</p> <p><em>[Mod Note; Please refresh the page (not just comments). Your comment was freed from moderation.]</em></p> I keep trying to paste in a quote from fitz’s own desk, but it won’t go through. IF you check, he says he was pissed because quote, I had a full house and Randall was all in, unquote.

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]]> By: hesikastor http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523771 hesikastor Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:46:55 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523771 <p>“The juror who was dismissed was the art curator who wouldn’t wear red on Valentine’s day. Wells is reportedly quite happy with the results, and we hear Mr. Fitzgerald came as close to losing that poker face as he has — he was evidently quite pissed. “</p> <p>I was pissed because I had a full house and Randall was all in!</p> <p>This from fitz’s own desk</p> “The juror who was dismissed was the art curator who wouldn’t wear red on Valentine’s day. Wells is reportedly quite happy with the results, and we hear Mr. Fitzgerald came as close to losing that poker face as he has — he was evidently quite pissed. “

I was pissed because I had a full house and Randall was all in!

This from fitz’s own desk

]]> By: Thomas C http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523742 Thomas C Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:36:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523742 <p>A number of commenters have made the point, with which I agree, that an extension of the deliberation process resulting from starting deliberations de novo would work against the defense - it increases the risk that holdouts will bend to the will of the majority out of sheer exhaustion or impatience. And this indeed may be the primary concern of the LIbby team.</p> <p>But the LIbby team presumably knows exactly what information was presented to the jury by the dismissed juror. And the information would seem to be of more significance than the “length of deliberations” factor. If favorable to Libby, I would prefer as LIbby’s counsel to keep the deliberations going, and I would oppose adding a new, 12th juror who had not been exposed to the information.</p> <p>However, if the information was Libby unfavorable, I’d want to start the process anew, hope that beginning all over would dilute the impact of the tainted info, and take comfort in the fact that one of the 12 jurors will never have learned of the tainted information.</p> <p>Am I out there on this one? Like I said, it could just be the “length of deliberations” concern motivating Wells and the Libby team. But I think it more likely that it is Libby favorable information in the jury that is motivating them to argue for proceeding with 11 jurors.</p> A number of commenters have made the point, with which I agree, that an extension of the deliberation process resulting from starting deliberations de novo would work against the defense – it increases the risk that holdouts will bend to the will of the majority out of sheer exhaustion or impatience. And this indeed may be the primary concern of the LIbby team.

But the LIbby team presumably knows exactly what information was presented to the jury by the dismissed juror. And the information would seem to be of more significance than the “length of deliberations” factor. If favorable to Libby, I would prefer as LIbby’s counsel to keep the deliberations going, and I would oppose adding a new, 12th juror who had not been exposed to the information.

However, if the information was Libby unfavorable, I’d want to start the process anew, hope that beginning all over would dilute the impact of the tainted info, and take comfort in the fact that one of the 12 jurors will never have learned of the tainted information.

Am I out there on this one? Like I said, it could just be the “length of deliberations” concern motivating Wells and the Libby team. But I think it more likely that it is Libby favorable information in the jury that is motivating them to argue for proceeding with 11 jurors.

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523741 Adie Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:35:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523741 <p><a href="#comment-523685"><em>Veritas78 @ 181</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>My faith in museum curators is shattered.</p></blockquote> <p><em>707</em></p> Veritas78 @ 181

My faith in museum curators is shattered.

707

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523735 Adie Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:34:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/26/7460/#comment-523735 <p><a href="#comment-523611"><em>Deacon Blues @ 135</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-523577"><em>Adie @ 101</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-523502"><em>Deacon Blues @<br /> 32 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Y’know, the thought occurs to me that the taint could be <em>the other way</em>. We automatically assume it’s the Steno Post, but it could as easily be a juror channeling one Christie or Jane or T-Rex, or any of us here at the ‘Dog. Just sayin’.</p></blockquote> <p>your point being…?</p></blockquote> <p>No real point, other than we were speculating that it might have been due to Toensing, but that it could have just as easily have been something from our side of the fence (that being the truth, of course). Looks like it was from the Toensing side now, though.</p></blockquote> <p>heck, MOMA curator/retiree: just as likely she hates silly red t-shirts.<br /> Guess I’ll save my hyperventilating for somethin’ else.</p> <p>Anyone have a link they’d share to the Toensing article in question? I like to “know” mine enemy, & feel woefully uneducated on her specs, such as they are. Thanks in advance… ;-> oh shoot. just noticed Jane gave it to me! *blush*</p> Deacon Blues @ 135

Adie @ 101

Deacon Blues @
32

Y’know, the thought occurs to me that the taint could be the other way. We automatically assume it’s the Steno Post, but it could as easily be a juror channeling one Christie or Jane or T-Rex, or any of us here at the ‘Dog. Just sayin’.

your point being…?

No real point, other than we were speculating that it might have been due to Toensing, but that it could have just as easily have been something from our side of the fence (that being the truth, of course). Looks like it was from the Toensing side now, though.

heck, MOMA curator/retiree: just as likely she hates silly red t-shirts.
Guess I’ll save my hyperventilating for somethin’ else.

Anyone have a link they’d share to the Toensing article in question? I like to “know” mine enemy, & feel woefully uneducated on her specs, such as they are. Thanks in advance… ;-> oh shoot. just noticed Jane gave it to me! *blush*

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