Watertiger!

H2Ortiger!!

FITZ!

watertiger,

darn! it appears sadly, no! is down. article must be good.

Actually, Conservapedia doesn’t have entries for several things as I point out at my place:

Bill O’Reilly

Angels

just to name a few.

They’re really too idiotic to worry about.

Here’s my favorite verse from S.O.S. in MA’s “The Wreck of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”:

When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck / Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya” / That evening it was, a main loophole caved in / Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”

Ed*ard Teller @ 4

watertiger,

darn! it appears sadly, no! is down. article must be good.

Argh.

Check out SteveAudio’s joint!

Opps. I should have wrote “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald.” Not “Wreck.” Sorry.

Oops. I should have wrote “oops.” Not “opps.”

This caught my eye at the Common Dreams website.

Impeachment: Breaking the Dam in Olympia, Washington
by Dave Lindorff

If the state of Washington ends up passing a joint legislative resolution next month calling on the US House of Representatives to initiate impeachment proceedings against President Bush and Vice President Cheney, it will because 900 people who crammed into this capital city’s Center for the Performing Arts last Tuesday evening, and countless others across the state, pushed them into it.

The crowd at the arts center had come to attend an event organized by the Citizens Movement to Impeach Bush/Cheney, a local ad hoc citizens’ organization in this little burg that had convinced the local city council to make the 1000-seat auditorium available for a hearing on impeachment.

What resonated with me was two-fold:
Citizens Movement
Impeach Bush/Cheney

American voters spoke on 11/7. And Bush/Cheney continue to ignore us. Borrowing from Butch and Sundance once asking “who are these guys?” we must be relentless in pursuit of justice, whatever course we must follow. And no, hiding out in Paraguay ain’t gonna do it for ‘em.

While the silly aristomedia in DC–I’m talkin’ you, Cokie–contemptuously brushes off the great unwashed in Greater America, we expect accountability. And we will make it so.

Oh, and ADB HRC.

Some highfalutin’ spoken word snark about Lord Black, Fitzgerald’s next huckleberry.

Wolverine @ 6

Here’s my favorite verse from S.O.S. in MA’s “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”:

When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck / Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya” / That evening it was, a main loophole caved in / Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”

Linky please? Or at least what thread it’s in?

Wolverine @ 8

Opps. I should have wrote “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald.” Not “Wreck.” Sorry.

You’ve got 5 minutes to edit your comments.
Works with most browsers.

Since everybody’s made such a flashpoint out of “cutting off funding to the troops,” why can’t the Dems introduce legislation to cut off funding to the OVP. Ground AF II. Seems that’s where the problem lies.

Oh, and take away Bushie’s bike so he actually has to govern.

How does Elliot Abrams so easily avoid closer scrutiny?

egregious @ 12

Wolverine @ 6

Here’s my favorite verse from S.O.S. in MA’s “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”:

When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck / Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya” / That evening it was, a main loophole caved in / Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”

Linky please? Or at least what thread it’s in?

See comment #142 in the “Let’s Be Careful Out There” thread that was put up Friday (2/23) late afternoon/early evening.

If I knew how to link to that comment, I would. But I don’t. I’m an idiot.

Ed*ard Teller @ 15

How does Elliot Abrams so easily avoid closer scrutiny?

He’s a professional criminal.

Does anybody else think that Wells’s “give him back to me” line has a rather creepy echo of Scooter’s “come back to us, Judy” line?

Love the screengrab of Dubbya meeting with his advisors.

David Ehrenstein @ 19

Love the screengrab of Dubbya meeting with his advisors.

David amigo, how you doing?

Watertiger: I love that deck of cards! Where is the scooter card, I wonder?

‘I, for one, welcome our weapon-wielding female chimpanzee overlords.’

Brockman?.. what the he…?

hold up on the hand-wringing… things look pretty dire, but humanity is, if nothing else, damned versatile… with some inspired and committed leadership we can still correct this trajectory and miss the moutain-peak and sail into the wild blue yonder…

at least, I gotta hope so… I see so many positives in the world despite the plethora of horror stories… kind of a shame to get to the point in science and social planning which could conceivably allow us to reach for the stars and let a bunch of club-dragging thugs pull the whole house down…

Wolverine @
16

egregious @ 12

Wolverine @ 6

Here’s my favorite verse from S.O.S. in MA’s “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”:

When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck / Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya” / That evening it was, a main loophole caved in / Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”

Linky please? Or at least what thread it’s in?

See comment #142 in the “Let’s Be Careful Out There” thread that was put up Friday (2/23) late afternoon/early evening.

If I knew how to link to that comment, I would. But I don’t. I’m an idiot.

Here’s the link to that comment: http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-519725

David Ehrenstein @ 19

Love the screengrab of Dubbya meeting with his advisors.

Chickenhawks in the raw!

It’s noon:30 here in L.A., and I’m off to Trader Joe’s for some lunch fixin’s.

Anyone need anything?

And Frank Rich, up now at truthout:

This is why the entire debate about the Iraq “surge” is as much a sideshow as Britney’s scalp. More troops in Baghdad are irrelevant to what’s going down in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The surge supporters who accuse the Iraq war’s critics of emboldening the enemy are trying to deflect attention from their own complicity in losing a bigger battle: the one against the enemy that actually did attack us on 9/11. Who lost Iraq? is but a distraction from the more damning question, Who is losing the war on terrorism?

The record so far suggests that this White House has done so twice. The first defeat, of course, began in early December 2001, when we lost Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora. The public would not learn about that failure until April 2002 (when it was uncovered by The Washington Post), but it’s revealing that the administration started its bait-and-switch trick to relocate the enemy in Iraq just as bin Laden slipped away.

Those who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat it. Over and over and over….

[my bold inserted above]

Impeach Bush/Cheney
ADB HRC

Blue Dido @ 18

Does anybody else think that Wells’s “give him back to me” line has a rather creepy echo of Scooter’s “come back to us, Judy” line?

When I read the exact words he used, which were something like “He’s been under my protection for 2 months. Give him back to me.”
I flashed back to a gospel sing at a church here in SE Ohio, mostly black congregation. A woman came down the aisle and asked to be put under the church’s spiritual protection, because of the many temptations and hardships she was facing.
I don’t know if that was what Wells meant, but that’s how I took it.

SteveAudio @ 25

It’s noon:30 here in L.A., and I’m off to Trader Joe’s for some lunch fixin’s.

Anyone need anything?

Some papadum chips, please!

More Rich-ness:

In the Scooter Libby trial, Mr. Cheney’s former communications aide, Catherine Martin, said that delivering a message on “Meet the Press” was “a tactic we often used.” No kidding. That mention of the nonexistent Prague meeting was the first of five times that the vice president would imply an Iraq-Qaeda collaboration on that NBC show before the war began in March 2003. This bogus innuendo was an essential tool for selling the war precisely because we had lost bin Laden in Afghanistan. If we could fight Al Qaeda by going to war in Iraq instead, the administration could claim it didn’t matter where bin Laden was. (Mr. Bush pointedly stopped mentioning him altogether in public.)

My bold — and why I’m adopting the contempt for J-Lie pattern to add:

Impeach Bush/Cheney
ADB HRC

Doing well, steve. Just finished writing up three articles for Variety. Been trying to do an op-ed for the LA Times on Obamarama but they’re a tugh nut to crack.

Besides he’s a moving target.

His status as a Magic Negro hasn’t been fully explicated, IMO.

It’s too bad Libby can’t get the death penalty.

It’s too bad Libby can’t get the death penalty.

A tad harsh.

I say just put him in Building 18.

SteveAudio @ 25

It’s noon:30 here in L.A., and I’m off to Trader Joe’s for some lunch fixin’s.

Anyone need anything?

Hold the anthropogenic ecocides on mine please…

Is not treason punisahble by death? (Ari’s lawyering-up, etc.)

watertiger @ 28

SteveAudio @ 25

It’s noon:30 here in L.A., and I’m off to Trader Joe’s for some lunch fixin’s.

Anyone need anything?

Some papadum chips, please!

Sounds good! I’ve got 2 really good Indian restaurants not too far, maybe dinner there is in my future…

Conserapedia ‘editor’ hard at work…fact checking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tphG4iuGmxk

Hey, at least I made the conservapedia. Let the warnings issue forth!

Margot @ 27

Blue Dido @ 18

Does anybody else think that Wells’s “give him back to me” line has a rather creepy echo of Scooter’s “come back to us, Judy” line?

When I read the exact words he used, which were something like “He’s been under my protection for 2 months. Give him back to me.”
I flashed back to a gospel sing at a church here in SE Ohio, mostly black congregation. A woman came down the aisle and asked to be put under the church’s spiritual protection, because of the many temptations and hardships she was facing.
I don’t know if that was what Wells meant, but that’s how I took it.

That is very interesting Margot! And probably points to the idea that has been expressed here that Wells has a standard closing argument which is developed to appeal to a particular big-city demographic, which didn’t turn out to be necessarily true of this jury due to the defense’s diligence in seeing that no one with “negative” feelings about Cheney were allowed to sit on the it, which effectively eliminated most African Americans.

My sense is that Wells was hired as insurance against a typical DC jury, which one would think would be predominantly African American, but it seems that the Libby Defense team, in their efforts to cover all bases, was too smart for themselves by several orders of magnitude.

I also think that the tension observed between Wells and Jeffries is interesting, making me wonder of Wells was lead attny in name only. A clue was Jane’s observation that Comstock and Jeffress arrived at the courthouse on Friday together.

David Ehrenstein @ 32

It’s too bad Libby can’t get the death penalty.

A tad harsh.

I say just put him in Building 18.

Yes, I am so against the death penalty, even for those guilty of high war crimes, as Libby (Cheney) certainly is. I think most of those convicted of heinous crimes would rather die than live out one’s life in a small cell. IE, Timothy McVeigh…and many Nazis.

lf @ 34

Is not treason punisahble by death? (Ari’s lawyering-up, etc.)

EPU’d
Watching Elizabeth de la vega on cspan (per my tivo).

She mentioned charges of high crimes and misdemeanors do not have to be founded in statutory crimes.

So what the heck is congress waiting on!?

Anyway according to wiki on treason, yes: (scroll down to the US part)

The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition. The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress. Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. 2381 states “whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

That picture shows some wild times at a Bush family reunion.

How cool is this?!
I get called into work to change the serpentine belt on the boss’ truck,30 minutes later, I get to catch Watertigers Face the Snark,being paid overtime!
Woot!
Hiya Tiger.

David Ehrenstein @
32

It’s too bad Libby can’t get the death penalty.

A tad harsh.

I say just put him in Building 18.

Good idea – put him in charge of cleaning the basement. OTOH, do we want him anywhere near the people he has so grievously hurt? OTOHA, I could go to sleep counting the number of prosthetic limbs Scooter has to clean and sterilize.

Ed*ard Teller @ 43

David Ehrenstein @
32

It’s too bad Libby can’t get the death penalty.

A tad harsh.

I say just put him in Building 18.

Good idea – put him in charge of cleaning the basement. OTOH, do we want him anywhere near the people he has so grievously hurt? OTOHA, I could go to sleep counting the number of prosthetic limbs Scooter has to clean and sterilize.

There ya go! Now that would be poetic justice.

And how did you celebrate yesterday’s conjoined birthday of Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman?

Hey, Bustednuckles!

Gorsh! Sadly, No suffering a DOS attack? Do you think it’s the Right Wing Terrorists stifling free speech again or what?

That flow chart is hilarious.
The e-mail express is leaving town soon.

Watertiger, wasn’t that the “madness scene” from La Triviata? Where’s Punnaise when you need him?

Hey Everyone, I want to give a big shout out to Jane Hamsher!

In spite of her own personal crisis, she has been here for us, and more importantly for truth and justice, over the last few weeks in spades. I am praying that she is taking VERY good care of herself and I want her to know that no matter what, I am rooting for her, as I know everyone is.

My personal prayer is that Jane knows, in the deepest of her deep, how well loved she is.

egregious @12

182
S.O.S. in MA says:
February 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 pm

With apologies to http://home.pacbell.net/chabpyne/lyrics. html and with compliments to Wolverine @ 132
Some more possible verses…
“The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”

The legend lives on from the bloggers on down
Of the counsel they call Pat Fitzgerald
The man, it is said, never gives up his quest
When the lies of Dick Cheney turn deadly.

With a load of the truth – a thousand reams more
Than the lies Libby’s counsel had mustered
Scooter’s fate it was sealed, and his falsehoods congealed
When the verdicts of ‘07 blustered.

The Fitz was the pride of the reality-based side
Coming down to D.C. from Chicago
As special counsel go he was better than most
With a team of assistants well seasoned.

The posts on the blogs made a tattletale sound
As the alibis broke under pressure
And each juror knew, as did Wells’s desk, too
T’was the sound of Scoot’s fate in the thresher.

The verdict came late; the champagne had to wait
When the jury returned with truth slashing
When he hung his head down, the pundits’ sagged too
In the face of their prestige’s sad bashing.

When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck
Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya”
That evening it was, a main loophole caved in
Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”

The RNC wired in they had polls falling in
And the fate of the party in peril
By ‘08 it was, all the rats had jumped ship
‘Twas the triumph of Patrick Fitzgerald.

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the lies are revealed to the jury
The old Media say he’d have skated away
If the GJ weren’t all from Missouri.

Old Libby might have rolled or he might have been pardoned
He might have dragged Rove under the waters,
But now all that remains is the rusty old chains
Of the gang of the neocon rotters.

The Atlantic rolls, the Pacific rolls too
As our Nation returns to its meaning
We don’t mourn for what near dragged our fair land to dust
As we honor our old Constitution.

In Independence Hall down in Philly they cheered
And they rang bells in our National Cathedral
It took more than an hour but each convict got gonged
‘Twas the triumph of Patrick Fitzgerald.

Oh the legend lives on from the bloggers on down
Of the counsel they call Pat Fitzgerald
The man, it is said, never gives up his quest
When the lies of Dick Cheney turn deadly.

wolverine started it, sos took off and ran with it……..

Speaking of turning up the hick factor, maybe it is time to revisit hick hop, by the Asylum Street Spankers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhJx1gpl0kM

Daymn… I feel like I was named “Prom Queen” and “Best Doobie Roller” all in one!!

Thanks for the props on my outrage WT.

From the Conservapedia

Here are the list of influential jury trials affecting American history:

William Penn (1670)
John Peter Zenger (1735)
Boss Tweed (1873)
Sacco & Vanzetti (1921)
John Scopes (1925)
Colonel Billy Mitchell (1925)
Alger Hiss (1949)
O. J. Simpson (two trials)
“Scooter” Libby (2007)

I searched for Firedoglake and Jane Hamsher but no results. Maybe I should have seached commir traitors?!

PerryAnn @
49

Watertiger, wasn’t that the “madness scene” from La Triviata? Where’s Punnaise when you need him?

Lucia di Lamamoor?

So a day after Talibani and Barzani talk to Maliki about an oil deal, Talibani has a heart attack.

Don’t drink the tea.

-GSD

And the Conservapedia comment on the Libby trial”

9. In 2007, vice-presidential aide Lewis “Scotter” Libby was accused of perjury for lying to a grand jury hearing testimony about the “leak” that resulted in revealing the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame. (It is important to note that he was not accused of illegally revealing the identity of Plame, potentially a much serious charge if he had deliberately revealed her as a CIA agent while knowing her identity was covert; in fact this was shown to be a non-issue). Like the Clinton impeachment trial years earlier, the charge was lying to a grand jury over a matter that was not in itself illegal. The jury verdict will tell much about the responsibility and immunity of the executive branch.

Retrieved from “http://www.conservapedia.com/Jury_trial”

Woodhall Hollow @ 50

… My personal prayer is that Jane knows, in the deepest of her deep, how well loved she is.

SO well said, Woodhall Hollow!

egregious @ 12

Wolverine @ 6

Here’s my favorite verse from S.O.S. in MA’s “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”:

When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck / Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya” / That evening it was, a main loophole caved in / Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”

Linky please? Or at least what thread it’s in?

okOK… twist my (all too willing) arm… :) Pre-EPUed from something I wuz gettin’ ready to Post-EPU tomorrow mornin’ when the “regulars” show up hereabouts :) …

You’ll find the linky at http://tinyurl.com/yvu7pa (that’s just a compressed URL EPU’d from an FDL string from last Friday evening)… I took Wolverine’s excellent start on “The Wrath Of Big Patrick Fitzgerald” (based on Gordon Lightfoot’s original lyric of “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” (that’s available, for your reading pleasure, over at http://tinyurl.com/nhqh5 )) and kept on riffin’… I kept Wolverine’s title and verses… Many props to Wolverine for the kick-start!

GSD @ 56

So a day after Talibani and Barzani talk to Maliki about an oil deal, Talibani has a heart attack.

Don’t drink the tea.

funny, that. And now he’s in Jordan.

-GSD

whoops.

Re Talabani:

funny, that. And now he’s in Jordan.

ThinkProgress posted the following about an hour ago:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/25/hersh-qaeda/

Hersh: U.S. Funds Being Secretly Funneled To Violent Al Qaeda-Linked Groups

New Yorker columnist Sy Hersh says the “single most explosive” element of his latest article involves an effort by the Bush administration to stem the growth of Shiite influence in the Middle East (specifically the Iranian government and Hezbollah in Lebanon) by funding violent Sunni groups.

Hersh says the U.S. has been “pumping money, a great deal of money, without congressional authority, without any congressional oversight” for covert operations in the Middle East where it wants to “stop the Shiite spread or the Shiite influence.” Hersh says these funds have ended up in the hands of “three Sunni jihadist groups” who are “connected to al Qaeda” but “want to take on Hezbollah.”

(snip)

Just back from looking at conservapedia.

What a pathetic site. I suppose it will develop, but to look at their definitions of Islam, Christianity and Judaism will give you an idea of the level of intellect behind this smarmy idea.

Ed*ard Teller @ 15

How does Elliot Abrams so easily avoid closer scrutiny?

He keeps a scrupulously low profile. I just ran a Google search of his name and “press conference.” Apart from press conferences where his name came up (most notably the one where Scott McClellan listed him among those having nothing to do with the Plame leak), I see no pressers at all in his current capacity at State. I could be missing something, but the last press conference of his I found was in 2001, when he served as chairman of the “US Commission on Religious Freedom” (John Bolton was a board member).

Beyond which, I can’t recall an article or broadcast report in recent years in which he was quoted on the record or appeared. There are probably exceptions, given our highly neocon-tolerant media, but I doubt a lot.

It’s a classic demonstration of how to successfully “go dark” in plain sight.

Let’s not forget that the folks who slept until the 9/11 attacks, who let Bin Laden slip the noose in Tora Bora, who haven’t vanquished the Taliban in 5 years and who clusterfucked the Iraq war and the response to Hurricane Katrina are now sleep-walking America towards a war with some of the shrewdest operators in the world, the Iranians.

This can only end badly for the US.

-GSD

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 61

ThinkProgress posted the following about an hour ago:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/25/hersh-qaeda/

Hersh: U.S. Funds Being Secretly Funneled To Violent Al Qaeda-Linked Groups

New Yorker columnist Sy Hersh says the “single most explosive” element of his latest article involves an effort by the Bush administration to stem the growth of Shiite influence in the Middle East (specifically the Iranian government and Hezbollah in Lebanon) by funding violent Sunni groups.

Hersh says the U.S. has been “pumping money, a great deal of money, without congressional authority, without any congressional oversight” for covert operations in the Middle East where it wants to “stop the Shiite spread or the Shiite influence.” Hersh says these funds have ended up in the hands of “three Sunni jihadist groups” who are “connected to al Qaeda” but “want to take on Hezbollah.”

(snip)

Looks like we need to round up Elliot Abrams, put him in an orange jumpsuit and render him unto Gitmo for aiding Al Qaeda…

GSD @ 64

Let’s not forget that the folks who slept until the 9/11 attacks, who let Bin Laden slip the noose in Tora Bora, who haven’t vanquished the Taliban in 5 years and who clusterfucked the Iraq war and the response to Hurricane Katrina are now sleep-walking America towards a war with some of the shrewdest operators in the world, the Iranians.

This can only end badly for the US.

-GSD

GSD, we are living in times of truly tragic proportions. I am now listening to “This American Life’ on Hurricane Katrina.

GSD @ 64

Let’s not forget that the folks who slept until the 9/11 attacks, who let Bin Laden slip the noose in Tora Bora, who haven’t vanquished the Taliban in 5 years and who clusterfucked the Iraq war and the response to Hurricane Katrina are now sleep-walking America towards a war with some of the shrewdest operators in the world, the Iranians.

This can only end badly for the US.

-GSD

I would support a Democratic Presidential candidate who spoke these truths, unvarnished and plain.

TeddySanFran @ 67

GSD @ 64

Let’s not forget that the folks who slept until the 9/11 attacks, who let Bin Laden slip the noose in Tora Bora, who haven’t vanquished the Taliban in 5 years and who clusterfucked the Iraq war and the response to Hurricane Katrina are now sleep-walking America towards a war with some of the shrewdest operators in the world, the Iranians.

This can only end badly for the US.

-GSD

I would support a Democratic Presidential candidate who spoke these truths, unvarnished and plain.

Amen Brother.

The Iranians, who took over the US embassy and held Americans hostage for over a year, who primed the pumps of internatioal terrorism, helped finance and build Hezbollah, who were seen as the bad guys when fighting the odious Saddam Hussein and they still managed to get Oliver North to give them missiles, weapons parts, cakes and bibles.

Fucking incredible.

-GSD

The Left @37

Hey, at least I made the conservapedia. Let the warnings issue forth!

keep up the good work.
make sure that the first thing they see when they ‘pop in’ is the photos of the puppies……..everyone likes puppies………

‘yo mamma’ would be proud. already in conservapedia, and according to steve audio’s link, before rumsfeld, o’reilly, etc……done good.

TSF – Kucinich

Apparently there is no such thing as a neo-con in conservapedia world.

-GSD

Speaking of current events, I think CNN might have forgotten to pick up on this.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view…..43,00.html

Has Chimpy McWarmonger been spotted fashioning spears out of branches yet?

-GSD

P.S. 6 years after 9/11 and not only is terrorism still a problem, now ther are pirates too.

Two more years of Bush and we’ll be fighting off Vikings and Visigoths too.

GSD @ 74

Has Chimpy McWarmonger been spotted fashioning spears out of branches yet?

-GSD

P.S. 6 years after 9/11 and not only is terrorism still a problem, now ther are pirates too.

Two more years of Bush and we’ll be fighting off Vikings and Visigoths too.

*snort* too true

Codpiece Rice says that unless the Iranians stop enriching uranium she will not talk to them.

Condi, it’s been six years, I think they have decided not to listen to you.

Now go back to naming ships after yourself.

-GSD

The strangest thing, I can edit GSD’s comment.

Weird.
Busted.

Back from Trader Joe’s, and it was a freakin’ zoo.

Oh yeah, IMPEACH!

It is beyond belief that Henry Kissinger is still advising the WH on foreign policy. When people mention non-accountability it is Kissinger I use as the yard stick to measure unaccountability.

This one too. REALLY weird.

Busted

*On a trip to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair, North and Robert McFarlane took a chocolate cake (shaped like a key to symbolize the opening of improved relations) and a Bible as gifts to Ruhollah Khomeini.

-GSD

Here is apartial list of the Debate topics at Constupidia

Debate topic suggestions:

1. Was world war inevitable?

2. Does “free trade” increase wealth or simply redistribute it?

3. Should the United States have entered World War I?

4. Should the United States have entered World War II?

5. Should the United States have eliminated communism in North Korea as General Douglas MacArthur wanted?

6. Is it even possible to install democracy in a Muslim country?

7. Should we have given the Panama Canal back to Panama?

8. Should government allow an unchecked economy, or are regulations necessary in private business?

9. Should the United States leave the United Nations?

10. Crusades… Good or Bad?

11. Did Jefferson Copy the Declaration of Independence?

12. Is the theory of macroevolution true?

13. Does bias impair Wikipedia’s reliability?

14. Should Creationism/Intelligent design be taught as a scientific alternative to evolution in public schools?

GSD @ 69

The Iranians, who took over the US embassy and held Americans hostage for over a year, who primed the pumps of internatioal terrorism, helped finance and build Hezbollah, who were seen as the bad guys when fighting the odious Saddam Hussein and they still managed to get Oliver North to give them missiles, weapons parts, cakes and bibles.

FYI, the business about North and Bud McFarlane bringing a cake and bible on a secret trip to Iran appears to be apocryphal. The trip and weapons deals were real, the cake and bible probably not. (This according to something I read while researching a comment on McFarlane some weeks ago.)

Hey, freaky editing hijinx afoot.

-GSD

Look up at OK Kiddos above.

This is freaky.

Busted

I don’t want to sound alarmist but I think our Tech wizards might want to take a look at this edit thing.
It has happened a couple of times before so I just thought it was a glitch.
The worrysome part is when it does that, I can see the poster’s e- mail address.
I have been here long enough that you know you don’t have to worry about me. Anything I see is Absolutely confidential and I don’t keep the info. Still, others might not be so scrupulous.
just sayin’.

SteveAudio @
77

Back from Trader Joe’s, and it was a freakin’ zoo.

Oh yeah, IMPEACH!

We don’t have any Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods in Alaska. Trader Joe’s could do very well in a few places. Not so sure about Whole Foods, though.

Thanks for the link to Conservapedia. Worth bookmarking to see how well the concept works. Ha….

Thanks Watertiger.

good grief!

In his latest appeal to the Republican base, Duncan Hunter has named Dr. Henry Jordan as his South Carolina campaign co-chair. This Henry Jordan:

COLUMBIA, S.C. (May 16, 1997 12:25 p.m. EDT) — A state Board of Education member, talking Tuesday about displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools, had a ready suggestion for groups who might object to it.

“Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims,” Dr. Henry Jordan said during the board’s finance and legislative committee meeting. “And put that in the minutes,” he added.

http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..6792256568

CBS – Olbermann interview at C&L

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..ed-on-cbs/

Must’ve been a glitch, The last few are coming in normally.

az matt @80

Here is apartial list of the Debate topics at Constupidia

thanks——”you can tell a lot from a mind from the questions it asks”…………my quote

MODERATOR:

Someone has added words which I have not written to my comment at #78.

lf @
34

Is not treason punisahble by death? (Ari’s lawyering-up, etc.)

Yes, death or life imprisonment, if in time of war.

And I quote from Fitz’s summation (my bold):

Employing selective secrecy
The Bush administration is keen on secrecy, and it makes no apologies for that policy. It believes in keeping a tight hold on information unless it has a good reason not to. Since it took office, the number of decisions to classify documents has soared, while the process of declassifying old secrets has slowed drastically. All this has been necessary, in the administration’s view, to protect national security in time of war.

OK kiddo, It was me, Something happened where I could edit other peoples posts for a minute. It has since stopped. I have asked for it to be looked into. It’s alright right now.

Busted—what browser are you using?

It is beyond belief that Henry Kissinger is still advising the WH on foreign policy.

Not at all. He still gets paid by NBC for their advcie. And NBC is GE which is to say the “Defense Department.” So it’s “keeping it in the family.”

Firefox.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 91

MODERATOR:

Someone has added words which I have not written to my comment at #78.

Actually, that’s my comment at #78, and it’s exactly what I wrote.

gsd @ 69

The Iranians, who took over the US embassy and held Americans hostage for over a year, who primed the pumps of internatioal terrorism, helped finance and build Hezbollah, who were seen as the bad guys when fighting the odious Saddam Hussein and they still managed to get Oliver North to give them missiles, weapons parts, cakes and bibles.

Fucking incredible.

oftentimes, when i read comments about this, i wonder what terry anderson, hostage journalist, thinks about all of this……he lives here now, has a horse farm and owns a blues bar/restaurant….is now a local…i quit getting the local paper/not local-terrible paper…..he used to write in once in a while. he ran for state rep here and lost a few years ago..very smart man…wonder if he knows about firedoglake…….think i’ll pursue that.

I have OK kiddo at 78.
If you happen to get into a comment thread with A ZERO, it throws it off.

OK Gents, please specify Mac or PC and browser type please.

Ed*ard Teller @ 85

SteveAudio @
77

Back from Trader Joe’s, and it was a freakin’ zoo.

Oh yeah, IMPEACH!

We don’t have any Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods in Alaska. Trader Joe’s could do very well in a few places. Not so sure about Whole Foods, though.

Thanks for the link to Conservapedia. Worth bookmarking to see how well the concept works. Ha….

Indeed.

TJ’s was packed today because of the Oscar’s, so they tell me.

I worked tech setup at one of the Oscar’s, back in about ;91, but a few days before the show, not day-of.

Bustednuckles @ 99

I have OK kiddo at 78.
If you happen to get into a comment thread with A ZERO, it throws it off.

Ah! Mine starts at #1.

Gateway PC w/ Firefox.

RBG Note; thanks Busted.

RBG @ 100

OK Gents, please specify Mac or PC and browser type please.

Mac 10.4.8
Firefox, 2.0.0.2

BTW, can’t use Safari with blogger, most of the tools don’t show up. I mean, you can use it, but with severly limited editing tools, unless you do all the HTML yourself.

RBG Note; yeah, but this is Wordpress and the code is customized for the various browsers.

Might want to see if OK kiddo and GSD are still around. Those are the two I could edit.

Sorry to louse up your day RBG.
Many thanks for your efforts.

Thanks, Busted. The techies are on it.

Tell them also, thanks.

GSD @ 69

The Iranians, who took over the US embassy and held Americans hostage for over a year, who primed the pumps of internatioal terrorism, helped finance and build Hezbollah, who were seen as the bad guys when fighting the odious Saddam Hussein and they still managed to get Oliver North to give them missiles, weapons parts, cakes and bibles.

Fucking incredible.

-GSD

GSD, you have hit the center of the psychosis which describes our government. Read Seymour Hirsh’s latest in the New Yorker, in which he hints at the insane logic which the desperate ones in power rely on.

Bottom line: compared to the Saudis, the Iranian government is–sad to say–enlightened. The Shia have been a historically oppressed and terribly persecuted minority in much of Arab world, along with the Sufis since the 16th century. In Shia Iran, women have *some* rights as citizens and as human beings, key among those rights the right to speak and to vote. There are those who argue that under the Shah, women had more rights, but I lived there then and it is worthwhile to point out that even during Shah-time, the only legal recourse available to a woman who was raped was forcible marriage to her by her rapist. (& I can attest that rape was a huge problem then, both for women and young boys/men.) I am not defending the Islamic Revolution, but I am saying that from the US point of view–from a human rights perspective–the regime of the Ayatollahs differs from that of the Shah only in details.

Now we have the Saudis, whose state textbooks are filled with vitriolic antisemitism (lifted straight from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion) and anti-Shia and anti-sufi dogma (it is the official Saudi position that any form of Islam which deviates from the strict Salafi-Wahhabi doctrine) are now cutting deals behind the scenes with Israel. The same Saudi govt who basically read Cheney the riot act that if the US withdrew from Iraq (thus allowing the Shia majority to take ownership of an oil rich region which may be more abundant than KSA) then the Saudis would choose to support the Sunni insurgency. What is not reported is that a significant number of the Sunni Suicide bombers in Iraq immigrate from KSA.

Guitar_Playing_Bastard @
31

It’s too bad Libby can’t get the death penalty.

He can.
I’m opposed to the death penalty.
But Libby can be indicted for forgery of nuclear documents.
IT’S A CAPITAL CRIME!

OT – How’s the ice in DC? Will the jury make it in tomorrow? Did emptywheel arrive in DC safely?

just in a terrible mood, but
i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again

treason=squibs on 9/11.

and i must away for the rest of the day (and early week), a lurker anyway.

where i’m goin,
can’t even check the trial ’till weds. fingers crossed nonetheless.

If bombing Iran is still on the table, how come impeachment is still off?

Watertiger,

Thanks for shining your bright light on Scrutiny Hooligans and all the consonant level bloggers you included here. It’s not many top blogs that will do this.

watertiger: Tengrain at Mock, Paper, Scissors owes me a new keyboard.

and watertiger owes me underwear!
Brava!

GSD @ 79

*On a trip to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair, North and Robert McFarlane took a chocolate cake (shaped like a key to symbolize the opening of improved relations) and a Bible as gifts to Ruhollah Khomeini.

-GSD

I had so forgotten that

Since I mentioned above that the story of the bible and cake was dubious, I’ve dug further. (Is my life this empty?)

Initial reports of the meeting, including a descriptiong of the bible and cake, came from Ayatollah Rafsanjani, interviewed in the Lebanese publication Al Shiraa. In a subsequent report, in Time, anonymous US officials acknowledged the meeting but denied there was a bible and cake. (This is why I said the story was dubious.)

However, here is the relevant paragraph from the Senate Intelligence Committee report on the Iran scandal. Howard Teischer, Oliver North’s nominal superior at NSC, confirms that there was a cake. Memories are a little dimmer regarding the bible, but at least one lower-level member of the entourage recalls a bible as well.

I stand corrected. And in the mood for cake.

I admit an addiction to fdl. Is there a support group? I was making a try at a snark like are tossed off casually by punaise, teddysnafran,t-rex, others, not excluding Ms Hamsher. Subject Libbys tril and tribulations — SO we have Weeping Wells Is a Wussy. note the word try.

ralphbon @
116

Since I mentioned above that the story of the bible and cake was dubious, I’ve dug further. (Is my life this empty?)

Initial reports of the meeting, including a descriptiong of the bible and cake, came from Ayatollah Rafsanjani, interviewed in the Lebanese publication Al Shiraa. In a subsequent report, in Time, anonymous US officials acknowledged the meeting but denied there was a bible and cake. (This is why I said the story was dubious.)

However, here is the relevant paragraph from the Senate Intelligence Committee report on the Iran scandal. Howard Teischer, Oliver North’s nominal superior at NSC, confirms that there was a cake. Memories are a little dimmer regarding the bible, but at least one lower-level member of the entourage recalls a bible as well.

I stand corrected. And in the mood for cake.

There was obviously lots of incentive for “anonymous US officials” to claim the story was fake one. Much less incentive for Rafsanjani to fabricate such a peculiar little morsel of embellishment.

Thanks for researching.

-GSD

Not to be outdone by Wells’ theatrics, the judge in the uber-bizarro battle for Anna Nicole Smith’s decomposing remains wept and rambled and mugged for the cameras, turning the custody hearing into an audition tape for the next Fox reality show (now THAT’S something for a judge to aspire to!).

Is this really any worse than a judge who “tempers” his rulings in malpractice awards so that he can rake in a pile when he retires as an arbitrator for HMOs?