Jane! Christy! FITZ!

fitz?

fitz

Jane !

Libby is goin’ down. I refuse to think otherwise. My God.

It’s been 3 and a half years since this started, I guess waiting a couple more days for a verdict isn’t so bad. Right?

It takes time to go through each count and sort through all the documents

I want Cheney, Rove, Bush, Rice, Gonzales and Rumsfeld. Am I a dreamer, or what?

Fitz..Jane!
Waiting on the word..Pins&Needles!
:: never thought I’d post like number 5..View up here is nice..

What we know from the Libby trial is that BushCo deliberately manipulated the media to promote the Iraq War. And we know that representatives of the MSM acted as whores in promoting the war. The verdict on the role of Libby in obstructing the Fitzgerald investigation will not change what we have learned as a result of this trial.

I haven’t seen much about the trial on the news this weekend.

TheOtherWA @
6

It’s been 3 and a half years since this started, I guess waiting a couple more days for a verdict isn’t so bad. Right?

May it go on until justice is served:

Dick Cheney eating green baloney in an orange jumpsuit and Dubya exiled to Paraguay.

Best Score (Dramatic) : Wells sobs
“give him back to meeeeeeeee”

Evening, Jane. No Libby cartoons at the Boston Globe, but Dan Wasserman’s cartoons are pretty good anyway.

did you see the link from TeddySF to Debbie Howells on Toensing? Near end of last thread.

That is a hilarious cartoon.

I sure hope they convict, it is hard to see how they could do otherwise, but it might be a good idea to reread Jeralyn’s cold water, just to understand how they might acquit.

Great Luckovich cartoon Cheney/ Scooter from last week here

The Phantom of the Courthouse

I’m waiting for these comments of mine to show up on the WaPo website, after Deborah Howell’s outrageous self-congratulation. [ http://tinyurl.com/27p7kb ] What a brainless twit.

Great. So you want a Pulitzer for the work of Dana Priest where she uncovered a scandal that points conveniently away from the WaPo. But when it comes to a scandal WITHIN the WaPo, you chastely avert your eyes. The publication of Victoria Toensing in your OpEd pages marked a low point in the moral standing of the WaPo. She is hardly an uninterested observer. Did you notice her sitting at the Defense Table during Libby’s trial? No accident, that. The scurrilous nature of Toensing’s piece is crystal clear to progressive readers with any regard to truth and objectivity. When teddy94110 said about the word LIBERAL that [I do not think that word means what you think it means], let me spell it out for you because you apparently adore mischaracterizing your critics. The people that Toensing’s piece [sent up the wall] can best be described as REALITY-BASED. Keep in mind Stephen Colbert’s assertion that REALITY HAS A WELL-KNOWN LIBERAL BIAS. The pattern of felonious LYING that Lewis Libby is about to be convicted of was directly in the service of CAUSING the terrible numbers of casualties now overwhelming Walter Reed hospital. How about that for comparability and linkage? Is that understandable enough for you? And consider what has been learned from the Libby trial — that the Old Media like the WaPo have donned their Administration Kneepads just as surely as Monica Lewinsky donned her Presidential Kneepads. Where is the WaPo of Kate Graham? I read you all through the Watergate years before Bob Woodward traded in his journalistic gonads for a White House Press Pass. Remember please when you do your promised retrospective timeline to include all the instances where the WaPo simply parroted the LIES of the Bush Administration as if they were the Gospel Truth. Because being an uncritical conduit for those LIES [many of which were concocted by Dick Cheney] has led directly to the hundreds if not thousands of amputated limbs festering in Walter Reed. SHAME ON YOU DEBORAH HOWELL — RESIGN. YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE GOOD NAME OF OMBUDSMAN.

(: note that I wrote that without any parens or apostrophes, which the WaPo engine likes to strip :)

Was there a consensus about who’d play who in the movie? I’d like to nominate David Fincher as director if that’s OK.

Dayum. WaPo comment engine seems broken; I’ve posted that diatribe [above in #16] twice but no workie. Maybe they’re just blocking my IP; I was not kind to the original Toensing article, either… :) :)

S.O.S. in MA @ 17

Wow!

Oklahoma kiddo -

From the last thread:
You work on the rez? Grew up in Redding? Do you know the Chico area?

CSU Chico BA & MA. Finished in ‘79.

S.O.S. in MA — great comment. I suspect the word “kneepad” will be caught by the WaPo “filters.”

Ed Deevy @ 10

What we know from the Libby trial is that BushCo deliberately manipulated the media to promote the Iraq War. And we know that representatives of the MSM acted as whores in promoting the war. The verdict on the role of Libby in obstructing the Fitzgerald investigation will not change what we have learned as a result of this trial.

Ditto. May Fitz continue in his quest. The Libby trial is hopefully just a penalty flag and the game will resume whatever the outcome.

AZ Matt @ 22

Oklahoma kiddo -

From the last thread:
You work on the rez? Grew up in Redding? Do you know the Chico area?

CSU Chico BA & MA. Finished in ‘79.

Chico State ‘71. ;0)

Oooo, not to make light of the penalty mind you.

SOSinMA:

other places to lodge your excellent complaint would be ombudsman@washpost.com and executive.editor@washingtonpost.com.

Nothing here on Scooter in the way of humor.

But awfully nice to spend time today with a mess of people who never questioned the necessity to try Scooter.

What a relief.

Rayne @ 27

Nothing here on Scooter in the way of humor.

But awfully nice to spend time today with a mess of people who never questioned the necessity to try Scooter.

What a relief.

Rayne — Would like to see Jennifer G’s speech. Will it be posted somewhere?

Scarecrow @ 21

S.O.S. in MA — great comment. I suspect the word “kneepad” will be caught by the WaPo “filters.”

Considering the source, THANK YOU. I’ve changed “Kneepads” to “Kneep@ds” and made another few changes; gardyloo! :)

These are the last 2 paragraphs from Howell:

When the Libby trial is over, readers deserve a Post retrospective with a timeline, graphics and cast of characters, including Post journalists, to help put the case in perspective.

The brouhaha does not begin to compare with the scandal of the mistreatment of wounded soldiers at the “other” Walter Reed, laid bare last week by National Desk reporters Dana Priest and Anne Hull. The reporting was direct and verified. It did not rely on anonymous sources and backroom agreements and favors. Their reporting was journalism at its best.

Best?! She has no clue what constitutes reporting.

Miss P. @ 22

… The Libby trial is hopefully just a penalty flag and the game will resume whatever the outcome.

Hmm… why does that sound familiar… OhYeh, “The Libby trial will ultimately just be a comma on the way to the Fall of the House of Bush.” Yeh, that’s the ticket! :)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 25

AZ Matt @ 22

Oklahoma kiddo -

From the last thread:
You work on the rez? Grew up in Redding? Do you know the Chico area?

CSU Chico BA & MA. Finished in 79.

Chico State ‘71. ;0)

I started in ‘75 after two years at Shasta Community College.

So a WaPo editor with more experience than most commissioned the Toensing graphic? That is supposed to make us feel better?

And as far as it Not being Jury Tampering. It would not be jury tampering if it were not on the front page. Just because the jury was told to avoid the press, does not mean they can avoid being exposed to it — I try to avoid colds, but nevertheless I get exposed. Just walking past a newsstand, or someone reading a paper in the subway is all it takes.

Lil’ Deb makes me want to HOWELL!

S.O.S. in MA @ 29

Scarecrow @ 21

S.O.S. in MA — great comment. I suspect the word “kneepad” will be caught by the WaPo “filters.”

Considering the source, THANK YOU. I’ve changed “Kneepads” to “Kneep@ds” and made another few changes; gardyloo! :)

From our original experience with Debbie, we know we’re dealing with someone who pretends to be pretty thin-skinned. And it’s not just an auto filter; they may not allow anything that suggests the metaphor you’re using.

These are two good ones from Ben Sargent and Jeff Danziger:

http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/jd/

http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/bs/

They aren’t Libby but do get his old bosses.

This was the text in the graphic-

Trial in Error
If You’re Going to Charge Scooter, Then What About These Guys? By Carol Porter, The Washington Post – February 18, 2007

Anyone know anything about Carol Porter? Mostly wondering if she wrote the text, or just did the pix.

interesting article on Libby and the art of notetaking…
http://www.editorandpublisher……1003549366

AZ Matt @ 32

Oklahoma kiddo @ 25

AZ Matt @ 22

Oklahoma kiddo -

From the last thread:
You work on the rez? Grew up in Redding? Do you know the Chico area?

CSU Chico BA & MA. Finished in 79.

Chico State ‘71. ;0)

I started in ‘75 after two years at Shasta Community College.

I am here living with my people (Cherokee) in Oklahoma, where I was born, and teaching in a rural public school. I miss Chico though. I love it there, but my heart is here. ;0)

Another WMD scam in the making? LA Times reports that US intelligence supplied to IAEA re Iran nuclear program has not proved accurate. Cheney’s probably saying, “give me my Scooter back!”

Diplomats say US intelligence on Iran nukes is thin

I am here living with my people (Cherokee) in Oklahoma, where I was born, and teaching in a rural public school. I miss Chico though. I love it there, but my heart is here. ;0)

I have been working on the Hopi Reservation since 1991. A totally different world than any place you could imagine. Great people they are.

Scarecrow @ 40

Another WMD scam in the making? LA Times reports that US intelligence supplied to IAEA re Iran nuclear program has not proved accurate. Cheney’s probably saying, “give me my Scooter back!”

Diplomats say US intelligence on Iran nukes is thin

The Shooter wants his gun-dog back?

Scarecrow @ 21

… I suspect the word “kneepad” will be caught by the WaPo “filters.”

Well crap; I managed to post “Outrage piled on outrage!” but the previous rant, even with the most sensitive terms camouflaged by @s and somesuch, gets squelched. Even though it’s well below the 5Kchar limit. Guess I’ll just take the welcome advice from TeddySanFran in #25. Foo.

There once was a staff chief named Scooter
His boss, Dick, a renegade shooter
For political reasons
He committed high treason
Then lied like an unfaithful suitor.

TeddySanFran,
I see you were back over at Ms. Howell creative writing room and was writing on the blackboard again. Whatcha shooting for? To be the teacher’s pet?! ;>)

Anyone know anything about Carol Porter? Mostly wondering if she wrote the text, or just did the pix.

VG: From what I find, Porter is credited frequently as a graphic designer, so apparently the “mugshot” illustration is her baby…

TREASON – This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

AZ Matt @ 40

I am here living with my people (Cherokee) in Oklahoma, where I was born, and teaching in a rural public school. I miss Chico though. I love it there, but my heart is here. ;0)

I have been working on the Hopi Reservation since 1991. A totally different world than any place you could imagine. Great people they are.

;0) Your work with ‘the people’ is appreciated ;0)

AZ Matt @
40

I am here living with my people (Cherokee) in Oklahoma, where I was born, and teaching in a rural public school. I miss Chico though. I love it there, but my heart is here. ;0)

I have been working on the Hopi Reservation since 1991. A totally different world than any place you could imagine. Great people they are.

Yes, they certainly are. One of the strangest events in my life happened in Oraibi in October 1970.

I’m thinking Libby is convicted, Gore wins the Oscar, and we finally have President Gore. Do not anyone burst my bubble. ;0)

Mary Matalin’s got a Scooter sighting for ya — she calls him a LOYAL SOLDIER in the War on Terror. GHWB differs.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 46

TREASON

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/1006.jpg

…this is it’s face. Well.. one cheek of its face at least. Here’s the other one:

http://www.newamericancentury……banner.gif

Note the membership crossover.

Oraibi, April 1977. A magnificent quiet that is still remembered.

Powerful new video from Impeach-at-the-Beach Project last month here in SanFrancisco. Warning: GRAPHIC WAR IMAGERY

CD- thx for info on Carol Porter.

TeddySanFran @ 48

Mary Matalin’s got a Scooter sighting for ya — she calls him a LOYAL SOLDIER in the War on Terror. GHWB differs.

yeah, and from Cheney’s hand written note, we know he’s the loyal soldier that the Pres. was asked to do the dirty work to cover for other people’s clumsy leaking incompetence, and then they abandoned him by letting him take the fall instead of speaking up. Loyalty is a one way street with these people.

The willingness of Americans to pretend that they don’t understand 9/11 was an inside job has allowed the Bush Administration to confiscate rights, out a CIA agent, Invade Afghanistan, invade Iraq, steal the 2004 election, and plan to invade Iran.

NZ Expat @ 52

Oraibi, April 1977. A magnificent quiet that is still remembered.

Cold and sunny here today and the Villages have been holding their Night Dances. A very busy time here at the moment.

There are many places to go here that you won’t see people at all, some beautiful places.

Eureka Springs, AR @
46

TREASON – This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

There is also this –

18 USC 2381:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Who exactly are the leaders of my Democratic party, that is, outside of the Speaker, Murtha, Clark and Gore?

Eureka Springs, AR @ 46

TREASON – This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

;0)

Would lying to a country and sending them into unnecessary war fall under the above definitions of treason?

E. Springs AR… That is the bottom line. Bush, Cheney, Rice and the rest of these bottom feeding thugs lied about the reasons for attacking Iraq. And they are attempting to do the same with Iran. I want accountability. Which is why I give a sh’t about Libby being convicted. I’m thinking about getting upset. I need to calm down. ;0)

It’s something to read about the others here who crossed paths with the Hopi. I was there in the late 60’s too. The people of peace.

Would providing soldiers for anyone to kill fall under the “giving them aid” part of the treason definition?

AZ Matt & OK Kiddo: Thank you; for many reasons. I’m grateful and so glad to ‘know’ you both.

Deborah @ 62

It’s something to read about the others here who crossed paths with the Hopi. I was there in the late 60’s too. The people of peace.

Is there a Hopi word for Firepups?

OK K – agreed

The founding fathers and mothers never imagined a crime as horrible as this.

I just keep searching for the appropriate word to call this madness.

mhpcr @ 65

AZ Matt & OK Kiddo: Thank you; for many reasons. I’m grateful and so glad to ‘know’ you both.

;0) kiddo.

Hi scarecrow!

I don’t know the language at all but it would be great for us to find what firedog (of the lake) looks like in Hopi.

Scarecrow @ 66

Deborah @ 62

It’s something to read about the others here who crossed paths with the Hopi. I was there in the late 60’s too. The people of peace.

Is there a Hopi word for Firepups?

If you aren’t Hopi you are pahana. That in its simplest is equivalent to foreigner. The Village of Oraibi which was mentioned earlier could date back to 1050 A.D. so we are johnny-come-latelies around here.

Haven’t seen Scooter, but Shooter keeps popping up all over in the news. I’m just wondering WTF is going on right now.
The trial pulled away the curtain but the main stream news seemed to have turned away. Is it fear? modesty? stupidity?

A huge internal power struggle is going on and no one is reporting on it. Condi makes nice with the Koreans and Dick and Bolton dis it. Publicly. Hey- what about supporting your own state dept?

Cheeny says all options are on the table for Iran but the UK Times is reporting that 4-5 generals will quit if Bush orders a strike on Iran.

I noticed that Chalabi is BAAAACK in Iraq. Score one for the Dick. But otherwise he seems to be on the outs with everyone.

Is there a Cheney vs the whole rest of the world story happening and no one is talking about it? Has the cat got everyone’s tongue?

If Scooter is found guilty, do you think there will be calls for Dick’s resignation?

I will ask about a Hopi translation of FireDog.

Noteworthy on MSNBC website now–

Pentagon reportedly working up Iran attack plan.

Chee-knee’s plane diverted for unknown reasons.

I really do not trust wapo or nyt anymore. My question is where do I turn now? Boston? L.A.? San Jose?

I just paid my favorite reporters to give me a blow by blow, and they came through for me. Thank you FDL!

Makes me wonder what the Wapo/NYT subscribers got for their subscriptions . . . a whole lot of ads? What about investigative reporting?

I researched and wrote about the Hopi when I was in theological school in Boston. (BUSchool of Theology, 1974) It was a beginning.

chris @ 71

Haven’t seen Scooter, but Shooter keeps popping up all over in the news. I’m just wondering WTF is going on right now.
The trial pulled away the curtain but the main stream news seemed to have turned away. Is it fear? modesty? stupidity?

A huge internal power struggle is going on and no one is reporting on it. Condi makes nice with the Koreans and Dick and Bolton dis it. Publicly. Hey- what about supporting your own state dept?

Cheeny says all options are on the table for Iran but the UK Times is reporting that 4-5 generals will quit if Bush orders a strike on Iran.

I noticed that Chalabi is BAAAACK in Iraq. Score one for the Dick. But otherwise he seems to be on the outs with everyone.

Is there a Cheney vs the whole rest of the world story happening and no one is talking about it? Has the cat got everyone’s tongue?

If Scooter is found guilty, do you think there will be calls for Dick’s resignation?

Fitz

Scarecrow @
28

Rayne — Would like to see Jennifer G’s speech. Will it be posted somewhere?

Scarecrow — they were taping it today, I suspect it will be published on the Michigan Dems’ website media page. I’ll poke around and ask, need to call the MDP offices on Monday anyhow.

Why isn’t the first comment on each thread a call for VP Cheney to resign?

the good part about no verdict is you can still bet on it. i lost money on the karl rove indictment. but that contract was simple. it was just odds. i forget what they were. but suppose it was 2:1. it meant if you put up 2 you could get back 3 if you won. or you could lose 2.

But these contracts are bid ask format. i think bid means what somebody is willing to buy and ask is what somebody is willing to sell. that’s the way options are. if somebody understands this stuff explain to me.

https://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?evID=37596&eventSelect=37596&updateList=true&showExpired=false#

Click on contract rules and info for a graph
it says bid 80 ask 83
chart shows closing at lifetime hi

somebody is bullish on Fitz

this is about my third post on this. trying to generate interest in it.

I thought dumbya signed a bill outlawing online gaming? maybe he had a signing statement.

Trade LIBBY.GUILTY.LYING
10 80.0 83.0 10 80.0 3312 0

jim preston @ 78
Because mentioning Cheney’s name at the beginning of every thread would be the equivalent of swearing. “Fitz” as an opening declaration is more like an affirmation.

chris –

A huge internal power struggle is going on and no one is reporting on it. Condi makes nice with the Koreans and Dick and Bolton dis it. Publicly. Hey- what about supporting your own state dept?

I think you’re right. The Cheney/neocon revenge came while Condi was on her way to Jerusalem, to meet with the Abbas and the Israeli PM, the latter of whom got a call from Bush. The two of them agreed that the US/Israel would not let up on the Palestinian’s newly negotiated unity government as long as Hamas did not renounce violence or recognize Israel. That completely undercut Rice, who’s trilateral meeting accomplished little or nothing. One wonders whether Bush even knew how he was being used or how much it undercut his Sec. of State.

AZ Matt at 70 – “If you aren’t Hopi you are pahana. That in its simplest is equivalent to foreigner.”

Here in NZ I’m a pakeha, also meaning not Maori, usually of European descent.

jim preston @ 77

Why isn’t the first comment on each thread a call for VP Cheney to resign?

Fitz is legal shorthand for that outcome.

I PerryAnn @ 74

I really do not trust wapo or nyt anymore. My question is where do I turn now? Boston? L.A.? San Jose?

I just paid my favorite reporters to give me a blow by blow, and they came through for me. Thank you FDL!

Makes me wonder what the Wapo/NYT subscribers got for their subscriptions . . . a whole lot of ads? What about investigative reporting?

I don’t read the paper any more. I do not watch TV. I get my news pretty much 100% from the Internet. I need to be able to check and verify and compare without spin. If I’m interested in a particular subject, I can read as many different takes on that subject as I want. The decisions as to what is and is not ‘newsworthy’ are not decisions I am willing to entrust the MSM with.

Miss P. @
23

Ed Deevy @ 10

What we know from the Libby trial is that BushCo deliberately manipulated the media to promote the Iraq War. And we know that representatives of the MSM acted as whores in promoting the war. The verdict on the role of Libby in obstructing the Fitzgerald investigation will not change what we have learned as a result of this trial.

Ditto. May Fitz continue in his quest. The Libby trial is hopefully just a penalty flag and the game will resume whatever the outcome.

I wonder if Fitz will alter his next indictment (assuming there is one) depending on the Libby trial outcome– So, for example, if Libby gets convicted on all 5 counts, Fitz goes for the max on the next indictment, but if not, will he scale back some of the counts of the next indictment?

Bob in HI

Scarecrow @ 81

chris –

A huge internal power struggle is going on and no one is reporting on it. Condi makes nice with the Koreans and Dick and Bolton dis it. Publicly. Hey- what about supporting your own state dept?

I think you’re right. The Cheney/neocon revenge came while Condi was on her way to Jerusalem, to meet with the Abbas and the Israeli PM, the latter of whom got a call from Bush. The two of them agreed that the US/Israel would not let up on the Palestinian’s newly negotiated unity government as long as Hamas did not renounce violence or recognize Israel. That completely undercut Rice, who’s trilateral meeting accomplished little or nothing. One wonders whether Bush even knew how he was being used or how much it undercut his Sec. of State.

So, ya think Condi will still be Georgie’s girl after him messing around behind her back?

Will- thanks for that entertaining link! Wish I’d gotten in back in Oct. I will bookmark it for future scandals.

AZ Matt @ 85

Scarecrow @ 81

chris –

A huge internal power struggle is going on and no one is reporting on it. Condi makes nice with the Koreans and Dick and Bolton dis it. Publicly. Hey- what about supporting your own state dept?

I think you’re right. The Cheney/neocon revenge came while Condi was on her way to Jerusalem, to meet with the Abbas and the Israeli PM, the latter of whom got a call from Bush. The two of them agreed that the US/Israel would not let up on the Palestinian’s newly negotiated unity government as long as Hamas did not renounce violence or recognize Israel. That completely undercut Rice, who’s trilateral meeting accomplished little or nothing. One wonders whether Bush even knew how he was being used or how much it undercut his Sec. of State.

So, ya think Condi will still be Georgie’s girl after him messing around behind her back?

My guess: If the woman hasn’t left him yet, she ain’t gonna. I cannot account for it.

Rayne: Do you feel any of the excitement at your convention is attributable to Dr. Dean’s 50 State Strategy? I’m curious if people “in the trenches” are really benefitting from that new approach. If so, hopefully we can get Rahm EmmanuME ME ME! to STFU after the huge DemocratIC gains in ‘08, and Dean will get proper credit this time in the Conglomerate Media.

Bob Schacht – any chance you are Anita’s brother?

PerryAnn — in my line of work as a consultant specializing in marketing competitive intelligence, I have to use media, no getting around it. But I also use more than one source and only those that haven’t burned me.

I got burned this week, unfortunately; I’m going to have to rethink my sources. Virtually the entire industry got two pieces of news wrong — but checking the translations of the original news sources from their native tongue revealed that the industry tech journals and mainstream media were very, very wrong.

I wish I had an answer, but I think the bottom line is that we have to do it ourselves. I did a more effective, more thorough job of covering the story for my research than an entire industry did — and I’m no Marcy Wheeler.

Tell you what — if you read something you don’t trust, you should just drop in here and ask for vetting and opinions. ;-)

S.O.S. in MA @17–great comment for Deborah Howell re: tomorrow’s column.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01726.html

Deb is nothing if not consistent. As always, she has a tin ear for the truth, defends the indefensible, and completely misses the mark. I especially loved this line from her about the Plame case:

“It’s been a disaster for the media; journalists were forced to reveal anonymous sources, though most did so only after getting their sources’ permission.”

A “disaster for the media” not because they were played for fools, not because they became willing accomplices to a crime, not because they were exposed as more interested in shilling for their buddies in high places than in telling the public the truth….no, in Deb’s upside-down world it was a disaster for the media because they were forced to “out” the “sources” who had misused them and lied about what they said to them to begin with….

Fitz is legal shorthand for that outcome.

Exactly. Plus understood early tradition, which should not be overlooked.

late night is up fyi

NZ you’ve got mail.

Scarecrow @ 83

jim preston @ 77

Why isn’t the first comment on each thread a call for VP Cheney to resign?

Fitz is legal shorthand for that outcome.

Nice one, Scarecrow!

bonkers @ 89

Rayne: Do you feel any of the excitement at your convention is attributable to Dr. Dean’s 50 State Strategy? I’m curious if people “in the trenches” are really benefitting from that new approach. If so, hopefully we can get Rahm EmmanuME ME ME! to STFU after the huge DemocratIC gains in ‘08, and Dean will get proper credit this time in the Conglomerate Media.

Heh. Excitement? I don’t think I can use that word. Not the best fit.

This state’s real political apparatus is what used to be the Dean for America organization, followed by DFA. Shhhhh…most of the old-timers don’t yet know it. They’ve been pWned, and they never saw it coming.

Not finding any in the email box. Is it still swimming this way? I can verify the email address over at your blog, if you want.

CityGirl @ 91

S.O.S. in MA @17–great comment for Deborah Howell re: tomorrow’s column.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01726.html

Deb is nothing if not consistent. As always, she has a tin ear for the truth, defends the indefensible, and completely misses the mark. I especially loved this line from her about the Plame case:

“It’s been a disaster for the media; journalists were forced to reveal anonymous sources, though most did so only after getting their sources’ permission.”

A “disaster for the media” not because they were played for fools, not because they became willing accomplices to a crime, not because they were exposed as more interested in shilling for their buddies in high places than in telling the public the truth….no, in Deb’s upside-down world it was a disaster for the media because they were forced to “out” the “sources” who had misused them and lied about what they said to them to begin with….

I think you nailed it.

Hey Scarecrow- Do you have a “graphix” assignment for me? You know I love to look for images.

NZ Expat @
90

Bob Schacht – any chance you are Anita’s brother?

Yes, I am he! With all this talk about Hopi, I was beginning to wonder if some of her old pals were lurking about. I lived in northern Arizona for 17 years, and worked with the Navajo tribe a lot. When Anita was living up on Hopi, I of course went to visit her, and I’ve been to a few dances on Hopi. But we’re OT on this thread, so if you want to talk more, see below.

Bob
bobschacht AT infomagic DOT net

Blub @
37

interesting article on Libby and the art of notetaking…
http://www.editorandpublisher……1003549366

There’s a real gaffe sticking out in that–here the Libby boys staked the whole trial on attacking people’s memories, and they had an expert right there in town at GWU on note-taking, who could have testified that handwritten notes are unreliable. If Wells and Jeffress had concentrated on that, what might the end result have been…?

Rayne: That’s nice to hear. There’s definately a sea change happening in the Party, and the DLCers are becoming more and more irrelevant (finally!).

Saw some quotes from Obama’s speech in Austin, and they’re estimating 15,000 to 20,000 in the crowd. That’s just unheard of at this point! Almost every speech he has now, they have to change venues to accomodate the demand. Not sure he’s my candidate yet, but sure seems Hillary is getting, or soon to be getting passed by, which is symbolic of this new energy in my opinion. Have fun!

journalists were forced to reveal anonymous sources

As usual, Lil Debbie nobody can say f*ck except me Howell got it wrong. From emptywheel’s AOD, page 78:

“Fitzgerald realized he was doing something momentous. Journalists consider their sources and their conversations with them to be sacrsanct. So he approached the issue cautiously. He didn’t ask them to reveal their sources; rather, he figured out who the sources were using phone records and other documents turned over by the administration. Then he approached journalists with waivers from their sources, asking only for a description of what had transpired within the conversations.”

Bold is mine.

chris @ 70

… If Scooter is found guilty, do you think there will be calls for Dick’s resignation?

One can only hope. I say YES. And once he’s gone, Fitz and/or the Congress can go after the pReznit as having orchestrated the whole thing.

==> First count: carelessly “declassifying” and then “selectively leaking” the weakest parts of the NIE to buttress their false claim in the SotU. This may well have been illegal on its face, and the Nixon defense “If the President does it, that means it is not illegal” is the purest bullpuckey.

==> Second count: TREASONously outing a covert CIA agent for purely political purposes (silencing a brave whistleblower, her husband), thus intentionally terminating her career.

==> Third count: TREASONously exposing Brewster Jennings, both as a “death threat” against any in the Intel Community who might be contemplating going up against the administration on the war, and as a means of destroying the CIA’s eyes and ears on nuclear WMD in the middle east. This caused documented killings of Brewster Jennings operatives and contacts in foreign lands. Under cover of that death threat and that Intel blindness, the administration furthered their treasonous plans to lie the nation into an illegal war. It bears noting that that war has bankrupted the country, destroyed our diplomatic and moral authority in the world, not to mention killing thousands of Americans and Iraquis.

If Articles of Impeachment do not result from these High Crimes and Misdemeanors, I am not sure whether a future President directly ordering a nuclear strike on Chicago would draw charges from a future Congress, if indeed our Congress continues to exist. What do YOU think?

I liked the comment that someone made that there was a contrast between Libby’s obsessive note-taking and penchant for detail at the trial and his claim that he couldn’t pay attention to all the details.

“journalists were forced to reveal anonymous sources”

As usual, Lil Debbie Howell got it wrong. From emptywheel’s AOD, page 78:

“Fitzgerald realized he was doing something momentous. Journalists consider their sources and their conversations with them to be sacrsanct. So he approached the issue cautiously. He didn’t ask them to reveal their sources; rather, he figured out who the sources were using phone records and other documents turned over by the administration. Then he approached journalists with waivers from their sources, asking only for a description of what had transpired within the conversations.”

Bold is mine.

John Casper — bravo et touche. Think Marcy is rubbing off on us, citing verse and chapter like that, eh? ;-)

jim preston @
78

Why isn’t the first comment on each thread a call for VP Cheney to resign?

Fire Dead Eye Dick!!

S.O.S. in MA @
105

chris @ 70

… If Scooter is found guilty, do you think there will be calls for Dick’s resignation?

One can only hope. I say YES.
…….

If Articles of Impeachment do not result from these High Crimes and Misdemeanors, I am not sure whether a future President directly ordering a nuclear strike on Chicago would draw charges from a future Congress, if indeed our Congress continues to exist. What do YOU think?

Cheney also ought to be impeached for his role in orchestrating false intelligence re Iraq. It was Cheney who met with Chalabi and the other ex-patriate Iraquis. It was Cheney and Rummy who demanded intelligence to fit their plans. And I think Cheney had a hand in stovepiping false intelligence.

The Valerie Plame affair was a threat – a way to silence anyone who even thought about coming forward and whistleblowing. Cheney was willing to destroy anyone in the CIA any of their trusted contacts.

I think the “who sent Joe Wilson” noise was really a diversion to keep the press from asking “who forged the documents that purported to show Sadaam wanted to buy yellowcake”. And it seemed to work.

Cheney should resign. Congressfolk should be asking him to resign. And if he won’t. He ought to be impeached. I am willing to add my name to any petition requesting his resignation.

If our democracy survives this, we need to change how the OVP functions. No one should be running a parallel government in a democracy- and most certainly no one should be running an evil, clandestine parallel government in a democracy.

Emperical evidence proves that Mr Fitzgerald is the “real-deal”.

If he weren’t, he’d have been SWIFTBOAT chum by now.

chris @ 71

. . .The trial pulled away the curtain but the main stream news seemed to have turned away. [ed.– emphasis supplied.] Is it fear? modesty? stupidity?

. . .Is there a Cheney vs the whole rest of the world story happening and no one is talking about it? Has the cat got everyone’s tongue?

If Scooter is found guilty, do you think there will be calls for Dick’s resignation?

hey chris –

first, while i hear you, and i do think
shooter looks to be out-of-step with just
about every other cabinet member, i DO think
that the fact that the old-guard, solid-
right-capitalists’-newspaper-of-record
is taking note is, well, pretty strong
evidence that mr. cheney’s days as v.p.
are numbered. [didja’ see friday’s wall
street journal?]

i posted something similar to the
below over in the most-recent libby trial
thread on talkleft.com, and at
my little corner of the world,
[shameless plug!]
but i do think the m.s.m. is slowly taking
its carefully-measured shot at this story.

it is clear that no one in the m.s.m. wants
to be “out in front” on it, should cheney pull
a now-improbable-frankenstein’s-monster-
reanimation-process out of his hip pocket,
but look at the journal’s latest:

in fact, yesterday, the wall street
journal began to acknowlege that even
if scooter is acquitted, this debacle
may end in sam-ervin-style hearings — with
the vice president of the united states
being called to explain himself. the senate
armed services committee has openly
asked for renewed hearings — and the
appearance of one scooter libby, at them:
quoth the wall street journal:

“.. .Already, the Senate Intelligence Committee
has requested documents and interview transcripts
from the Inspector General’s office, while the
Senate Armed Services Committee seeks further
interviews with Mr. Libby, the former chief
of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney. . .”

now, once the trial is over, either way — up
or down — scooter will have a-far-more-limited
fifth amendment privilege to assert, as a shield,
before congress. his fifth amendment rights
will arguably attach only to statements that
might constitute evidence of new crimes,
crimes for which he hasn’t yet been tried.
and that may prove very dicey for his old boss,
dick cheney — either scooter will be a convicted
felon (and likely working his way through the
appellate process — all while looking to cut deals
for favorable sentencing recommendations from the
the office of special counsel — patrick fitzgerald),
or he’ll be acquitted, and the special counsel
won’t be able to re-try him, under the one of the
other main protective provisions of the fifth
amendment, the “double jeopardy” clause. . .
either way, he could face contempt of congress
charges, and ultimately, jail, if he doesn’t
cooperate, at least as to unprivileged matters.
so, dick, if your people are reading this — do
the honorable thing, before your spiro agnew
moment arrives, front and center,
in the committee chambers of the
armed services committe of the united states senate. . .

more here. . .

My take on the long deliberations is that the jury has pretty much rejected the Memory Defense aspect.

If they believed that Libby “simply forgot” because people forget things…well that could have been resolved in a day at most. If there was a single holdout on that element they would have come back quickly and declared a mistrial on all counts.

Then they have asked for the flip chart, post-its and tape.

What that indicates is that they are now examining the interacting web of witnesses and how these mebellish and support the charges on each count.

It looks as if they are going thrown Fitz’s logic and will likely find it persuasive on all counts.

Remember that once the “Memory Defense” is rejected, Fitz only need to show that a single witness for each count has credibility. He only needs one “he said” to overwhelm Libby’s GJ statements.

Even worse, once they find Libby guilty on ONE count…they will view him as a liar and perjurer…and that will increase the valence of the testimony on those counts where other witnesesses may have had minor credibility issues. ONE certain lie and Libby will be viewed as a probable liar for the remaining counts. It will be a cascade.

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