
The front page of the New York Times highlights an important judicial decision by the highest court in the land. In a case involving the government’s practice to “detain foreign born suspects of terrorism indefinitely on secret evidence and without charges,” the Supreme Court’s Chief Justice, speaking for a unanimous court, reaffirmed one of the most sacred and essential foundational principles of US Constitutional law. The Chief Justice declared:
“The overarching principle of fundamental justice that applies here is this: before the state can detain people for significant periods of time, it must accord them a fair judicial process,” Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin wrote in the ruling. [emphasis mine]
Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin?? I wish I could report that Justice Beverly McLachin was the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court and that she was speaking for a unanimous US Supreme Court, but alas, that is not the case. Justice McLachlin is the Chief Justice of the Canadian equivalent of our Supreme Court, and she was speaking for the Canadian court in a Canadian case: Canadian Court Limits Detention in Terror Cases.
We have Chief Justice John Roberts, and Justices Alito, Scalia, and Thomas, whose loyalty to these bedrock legal principles is . . . uh . . . unclear. When our Supreme Court had the opportunity to rule on the Constitutional reach of habeas corpus in the Hamdan case regarding prisoners being held at Guantánamo, Roberts abstained and Alito, Scalia and Thomas dissented, though on different grounds. The majority, while striking down the military tribunals as violating statutes and the Geneva Conventions, ducked the Constitutional issue, restricting its holding in that case to an interpretation of a federal statute, which of course Congress can change.
And that’s just what the last Congress did. When it passed the despicable Military Commissions Act last year, the Republican dominated US Congress, along with all too many spineless Democrats like Joe Lieberman, showed it also had no respect for the essential legal principle of habeas corpus. (If you need a readable refresher on the MCA, read Bob Geiger’s analysis posted after Senator Dodd introduced his bill to repeal the most egregious features of the MCA.)
We can hope that the Canadian Supreme Court decision will help convince US courts and Congress to take a stronger stand in defense of these important legal principles. That’s long overdue.
The [Canadian] decision reflected striking differences from the current legal climate in the United States. In the Military Commissions Act of 2006, Congress stripped the federal courts of authority to hear challenges, through petitions for writs of habeas corpus, to the open-ended confinement of foreign terrorism suspects at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
A federal appeals court in Washington upheld the constitutionality of that law this week, dismissing 13 cases brought on behalf of 63 Guantánamo detainees. Their lawyers said they would file an appeal with the Supreme Court. In two earlier decisions, the justices ruled in favor of Guantánamo detainees on statutory grounds but did not address the deeper constitutional issues that this case appears to present.
You can read more on the US federal appeals court 2-1 decision in this Times story, which has a pdf link to the appelate court decision. In the meantime, on Thursday, the Supreme Court denied, without issuing an opinion an application to order the Pentagon to provide to a Guantanamo Bay detainee, Yemeni national Sharaf Al Sanani, information on why he is being held as an “enemy combatant.” We do not know the reasons.
After 9/11, the Canadian government followed the Bush Administration’s lead in adopting a number of police state methods for dealing with suspected terrorists.
The security certificate system was introduced in a 1978 immigration law and has been used 27 times, mostly before September 2001. It allows the government to detain people indefinitely if the minister of public safety and the minister of immigration conclude that they are a threat to national security. The certificates, once signed, are reviewed by a federal judge who can rule to keep any or all of the evidence secret.
But the Canadian judicial system has been working hard to reestablish the rule of law:
The decision is also the latest in a series of events that has seen Canada reconsider some national security steps it took after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Last September, a judicial inquiry rebuked the police for falsely accusing a Syrian-born Canadian, Maher Arar, of terrorist connections. Those accusations, in 2002, led United States officials to fly Mr. Arar to Syria, where he was jailed and tortured. Earlier this year, the Canadian government reached a $9.75 million settlement with Mr. Arar and offered a formal apology. The commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police also resigned for reasons related to the affair.
Left unsaid in the Times article, but noted by Glenn Greenwald, is the fact that the Bush Administration has refused to apologize for the US role in kidnapping and rendering Mr. Arar to Syria. And as far as I know, no US official has resigned or been disciplined or fired over this incident. Why is that? Even worse, as Glenn reports, the US Justice Department convinced a US court to dismiss Mr. Arar’s lawsuit against the US on grounds that the trial would reveal “state secrets,” which in the Bush/Gonzales DoJ means any of a thousand facts that could embarass the Bush regime but have nothing to do with protecting legitimate state secrets. Like so many other stories of the lawless mistreatment of detainess and DoJ manipulation of the courts, the Bush Administration’s handling of the Afar case is a scandal, an embarassment to our judicial system, and a stain on American honor.
How many more disgraceful and embarassing examples do we need of how the US justice system has been totally corrupted under the Bush/Cheney regime and their national security attorneys, including Attorney General Alberto Gonzales? How much longer will the Congress of the United States allow the Bush/Cheney regime and its unprincipled attorneys to continue turning the United States into an international legal pariah?
Update: In comment #56, long time DoJ watcher Mary reminds us that many of the ethical problems at the DoJ related to these issues began with Attorney General Ashcroft and his deputies.
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FITZ!
Scarecrow!
So, let’s see. Britain is pulling out of Iraq, and we are losing Canada.
Do we really have any allies left?
to repeal the most egregious features of the MCA.
Thank you Scarecrow!
Fitz???
Keep yer sticks on the ice!
fitz?
Fast fingers there, Egr.
ReneND @ 4
Second sight. Not always a blessing.
egregious @ 5
It’s all good.
Now i’m even more proud of the fact that i have a slew of Canadian family of my own. That i grew up with their heavy influence throughout my life.
On the other hand, it’s infuriating on what they manage to pull off and hide in this country. The Arar case has been in a virtual media blackout here. But it’s all over the CBC and the ‘net.
Is it any wonder why people all over the world think we’ve gone off the deep end? Hat tip to Andrew Sullivan for this quote:
“When a nation re-awakens, its finest sons are prepared to give their lives for its liberation. When empires are threatened with collapse, they are prepared to sacrifice their non-commissioned officers.”
The SCOTUS is basically not accountable. Look at Rehnquist. This guy was a drug addict and nodding off like addicts are wont to do during hearings and everybody knew it. It was common knowledge. And what was done about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
WhAT KINDS OF DRUGS?
(i DIDN’T KNOW THIS…)
ruffian @ 11
Placidyl
Radicalism, properly directed, is NOT a dirty word. In fact… quite the opposite.
S.O.S. in MA:
If you’re out there, I just saw your 2:42 post a minute ago.
Yes, I saw your “The Wrath of Patrick Fitzgerald” lyrics earlier today. Excellent piece of work. And it appears you did the whole thing in a hour or less. Awesome.
Thanks for leaving my lyrics untouched. I appreciate that. But if you want to improve them, feel free.
Like the person who commented earlier, I really liked your “Libby, it’s been good to know ya” line. Also really liked the one about Libby’s alibis giving out under pressure. Those lines, and others, made me laugh.
Now the Lightfoot tune is stuck in my head. But that’s O.K. It’s a good one.
Gotta go eat.
Scarecrow -
Your comment, which I quoted above, brings to mind the following excerpt from Executive Order 13292:
One correction in the third paragraph of your post:
The majority, while striking down the military tribunals as violating statutes and the Geneva Conventions, ducked the Constitutional issue, restricting
it’sits holding in that case to an interpretation of a federal statute, which of course Congress can change.Oklahoma kiddo @ 10
If I am reading my wiki correctly, , “all civil officers” incl, I would think, supreme court justices can be impeached by the Senate. So, put it on the to-do list for 2008.
egregious @
1
Canada has 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and the HMCS Ottawa is patrolling in the Gulf (boarding and inspecting shipping).
Prime Minister Harper (friend to GWB) has committed Canada to keeping the troops in Afghanistan through 2008.
Most of the Canadian Forces are in the Kandahar area.
Thanks for the info-interesting that it didn’t seem to stop his work flow.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 15
Thanks for the citation. Your comments, and Hugh’s comments with links to the MCA provisions yesterday, got me interested in this topic.
The typo is fixed.
Suppression of civil speech is oppressingly suffocating.
HotFlash @
16
From Wikipedia:
HotFlash @ 16
;0)
This is EPU’d from last thread but not totally off-topic here. I would like to note that objecting to the actions of a government or state, as, for instance, the US, or Israel, is not the same as discriminating against the country or its citizens, eg, Americans or Jews/Israelis. It is sloppy thinking to think so.
Stealing people’s homes and putting them in camps is evil, no matter who does it.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 21
;0) But does this sometimes fail us at critical moments? ;0)
Anyone remember the old conservative (and Bircher) warcry of the Sixties?
Now there was a Chief Justice. Thank G-d that particular impeachment effort failed! But — it must mean that it’s possible!
Oklahoma kiddo @
24
Well, hopefully our Supreme Court agrees with you. As official appointees of the Council for National Police, I’m sure that Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas do…
btw, our wingnut friends are having trouble finding a presidential candidate to appoint their Supreme Court majority, past ‘08..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02…..mp;emc=rss
It seems they can’t find someone who hates quite enough. ‘parently the litmus test is to have a proven record of hatred of gays, women, stem cells, Mexicans and Muslims. The first three haven’t proven to be a problem, but they can’t even get Sammy from Kansas to cop to the last two. Maybe they can convince Joe to run.
Harriet Culver @ 25
Now there was a Chief Justice. Thank G-d that particular impeachment effort failed! But — it must mean that it’s possible!
Earl Warren? I loved this Republican. This man was a GIANT.
Early in the 19th Cent. there was an impeachment trial for a SC Justice (Salmon Chase, IIRC). Marshall didn’t take sides in public, but the underlying issue was Jeffersonians v. Federalists, so Marshall won. As he did in Marbury and the Burr trial.
I Love Jane Hamsher @ 9
… and their overpaid mercenaries… and as many foreign nationals as they can lure into their Army with the promise that their families will become Citizens if they are KIA… :(
OT
Fitz Closing Arguments One – Let’s Get Busy…
Mr. Fitzgerald: Good Afternoon.
The Jury: Good Afternoon.
Mr. Fitzgerald: Madness, outrageous, the Government brought a case about two phone calls with no corroberation, two witnesses, nothing to back it up and they just want us to speculate. The defense wishes that we were so.
Saying it, saying it loudly, saying it pounding the table doesn’t change the facts, doesn’t change the law and doesn’t change the evidence. Let’s talk about the facts. Let’s get busy.
MORE
“Stealing people’s homes and putting them in camps is evil, no matter who does it.”
Thank you… HotFlash at 23. The above words from you are ‘a priori’.
Wolverine @ 14
Yayy! I just wanted to be sure you saw how you inspired more in the same vein. Tnx for your kind words, esp. how some of mine made U laugh! :) Now wouldn’t it be cool if someone with a good singing voice (that lets ME out) puts it up on YouTube… :)
Actually, I’ve been wondering lately (as I lurk and read all the Lake-ish goodness) — is there any requirement at all, anywhere, that candidates for the House and Senate, or Representatives- and Senators-Elect, should pass a competancy test in basic American civics? History, familiarity with the Constitution? (To say nothing of folks trying to become POTUS or VP, SCOTUS etc.)
Seems as though anyone taking upon themselves the sacred responsibility to govern us ought to be required to know as much about our country as, say, new applicants for citizenship.
Good afternoon, everyone. Kind of a lazy day, no? Waiting for the Libby verdict was exhausting.
I want our soldiers home from Iraq. I want Bush and Cheney to be stopped from attacking Iran. I want a peaceful and fair settlement to the Palestinian-Israeli situation.
I feel proud and happy to be a Canadian by choice who was born in San Diego, but has now lived here well over half of my time on earth.
I was here before the Charter of Rights was implemented, and at that time felt Americans had more protection of their civil rights. Now watching the Arar case unfold and this wonderful decision, I’m feeling different. Of course I never expected an administration like the Bu$h Crime Family to spend 6 years shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Our mini-Bush (though bigger around the girth), Harper, is not pleased with the Canadian judiciary and would like to have himself and the police pick the judges. Hopefully he won’t be in power long enough to corrupt our Court, like Reagan and the Bushes have done to SCOTUS.
Oh… and I hope Libby is convicted. Libby must be convicted, if Bush and Cheney and the rest are to be held accountable.
All is not well in our neighbor to the North, though, as new interpretations of old laws are used to restrict travel of Americans to Canada for long-ago infractions.
Scarecrow @ 34
Yes, it was a test of patience. Are you ready for another week it the Waiting Game? I think work productivity of FDL readers suffered last week. It was great reading.
But could an Oscar start the momentum for a draft-Gore movement? USC’s Kaplan thinks it could.
“People think that he’s paid his dues, he’s had more of an impact on issues that people care about than many people who have been in office and there’s a feeling that he’s finally lost that student council condescension that was fingernails on a blackboard to a lot of supporters,” Kaplan said.
Harriet Culver @
25
Now there was a Chief Justice. Thank G-d that particular impeachment effort failed! But — it must mean that it’s possible!
One House member particularly charged up about impeaching Earl Warren was Gerald Ford. Didn’t hear much about that during the recent funeral festivities and rehabilitation, didja?
TeddySanFran @ 38
Canadians have always been barred from the US, even before 9/11, for possesion of a joint thirty years ago. It’s easier to get a waiver for a murder conviction. Then there was the guy who walked across the border from New Brunswick into Maine with the blood soaked chain saw he had earlier used to kill and decapitate an elderly couple. But at least he didn’t have a joint, and had never been convicted for having one.
I forgot above to say, here’s hoping we’ll have another welcome court decision next week in the matter of US v. Libby. It should be for treason, but perjury and obstruction is a start.
TeddySanFran @
38
That’s worked both ways for years, Teddy. Any drug conviction was grounds for refusal of entry to the U.S. since before the ‘zero tolerance’ 90’s.
and Justice wept.
Roger Bigod @
28
You do recall correctly; it was Salmon Chase, who, according to the Wikipedia article mentioned earlier in this thread, was acquitted in 1805.
It is amazing how many light-weights the Reps have appointed to the court the during this and the last times they controlled the Presidency. At least in the older days the justices coming weren’t so idealogical as the Scalias and Thomases of today. Some of Nixon’s appointees we could live with today. Thomas has shown no sign of growth as a justice. He takes up space like a cabbage.
AZ Matt @ 39
Aiee! Too dang true in my case, AZ Matt! Those jurors best come in with the right verdict goldurned early on Monday, else I’ll have to mosey on daown to D.C. and personally roust ‘em outen their hideout!!
WASHINGTON, Feb. 24 — A group of influential Christian conservatives and their allies emerged from a private meeting at a Florida resort this month dissatisfied with the Republican presidential field and uncertain where to turn.
The event was a meeting of the Council for National Policy, a secretive club whose few hundred members include Dr. James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family, the Rev. Jerry Falwell of Liberty University and Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform. Although little known outside the conservative movement, the council has become a pivotal stop for Republican presidential primary hopefuls, including George W. Bush on the eve of his 1999 primary campaign.
Would this be nice? Gore wins the Oscar and decides to become President.
In case you Plame-holics need a weekend fix, Deb Howell justifies her employer’s decision to print Victoria Toensing’s hitpiece in tomorrow’s WaPo. Apparently, we “liberal readers” were “sent up the wall” by Vickie’s piece, even though Deb falls into Vickie’s IIPA five-year trap from the get-go.
More shoddy ombudsing, but fun to comment on!
TeddySanFran @ 50
OMG. The woman is a menace to the very concept of responsible journalism, never mind truth. Thanks for the link TSF.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
IIRC he has also been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, I don’t believe anyone has ever one that and an Oscar. The problem is he really has shown no sign at all of wanting to run this time.
1,436 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo and the Firepup
Patriots:
First of all let me say “Thanks Brother” for bein’ on our side…I appreciate your efforts to keep our priorities straight. I too “…want our soldiers home from Iraq” and this time when we get ‘em home I wanna throw everyone of the motherfuckers who put ‘em there in jail!!
Also see my post at the end of last thread…keep on keepin’ on, brother, we’re gunna win this one!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS AREN’T GUNNA GO WITHOUT A FIGHT!!!
White house deputy press secretary Tony Fratto said:
Maybe someone should comtemplate enforcing UN Resolutions dealing with Israel, who if I’m am not mistaken are the grossest violator of such resolutions.
That’s as hypocritical as DickHead Cheney telling the Chinese they can’t play in space or build up their military.
“Apparently, we “liberal readers” were “sent up the wall” by Vickie’s piece, even though Deb falls into Vickie’s IIPA five-year trap from the get-go.”
“Sent up the wall”? What a howel! TSF. ;0)
And as far as I know, no US official has resigned or been disciplined or fired over this incident.
Then Deputy AG Larry Thompson (who has moved on to Gen Counsel at Pepsico) directly signed off on Arar authorizations and all of this under Ashcroft’s aegis. In the lawsuit brought by Arar here in the States, Ashcroft and Thompson were both named defendants.
As a result, Comey bailed Ashcroft again when Ashcroft had to recuse (just like, IMO, he bailed Ashcroft with the Spec Counsel sales job to Congress when we really needed,imo, an Indep Counsel on the leak investigation). So the actual person in charge of DOJ decision making for how to proceed in Arar was then Dep. AG Comey. He’s the one who filed the Affidavit of state secrets and directed the DOJ’s intervention in the lawsuit to have it dismissed.
I can’t remember if this was before or after the Padilla presser.
Ashcroft moved on to his lobbying slot; Comey to his Gen Counsel for Lockheed slot.
I often hear joking references to looking back fondly on the Ashcroft days, now that we have Gonzales. But so much of the absolute worst was fashioned by the Ashcroft DOJ. Gonzales is the weasely clean up artist, but don’t forget how much Ashcroft contributed to the mess.
petedownunder @ 52
I know. Boo-hoo. I want Gore! ;0)
NorskeFlamethrower @ 53
;0)
Back home. Trying to wind down after a day spent shoulder-to-shoulder, wall-to-wall with Democratic Party members. Feel like I’m coming down hard after an enormous buzz.
And in spite of this post being yet again another stellar piece by Scarecrow, it is saddening and maddening. We have given up our place in the world as a leader through our neglect. Yes, us, we did it. We did not nip this good and hard when this fascism raised its head; we let bygones be bygones, we were open-minded and accepting, and we didn’t squash this small-minded bigotry towards the rights of any and all humans save those that can buy their own government.
I hope Canada has been talking about what to do with a large influx of immigrants, because if we do not win a veto-proof majority in 2008, many of us may want to bail out. Really, can you imagine our current situation getting WORSE and not wanting to move away??
From Howell’s article in WaPo — here is the editor’s definition of success. Can anyone guess the missing word?
The word “truth” is missing. And so is any mention of the extent of negative comments from readers who were appalled at the false narrative in Toensing’s article.
Rayne @ 59
I am listening to what you are telling us. Thank you, Rayne. ;0)
Mary @ 56
Absolutely. Nice to hear from you Mary.
TSF…
I’m lonesome for ‘the City’ tonight. Is it raining?
Mary — I updated the post to reflect your comment re Ashcroft. Thanks.
Scarecrow @ 51
And thank you for your excellent continued contribution to the FDL front-page!!
I just left this comment with ms. howell the fool:
Ms. Howell, With all due respect, the Libby trial is about lying and maybe were you come from that is no big deal. This man was one of people, who with his boss, pushed for the war in Iraq. If he is found guilty then does the investigation end? I think not, I think it will go to the highest level. We cannot tolerate elected officials telling us lies about something that gets our fellow countrymen, not to mention hundreds of thousand Iraqs, killed.
Your comment comparing this to scandal at Walter Reed is stupid. What do you think caused many of soldiers to come to Walter Reed in the first place? It wasnt a pillow fight.
Mary — is it your opinion that Comey is one of the few sane folks in in DOJ these days?
Saw his comments regarding one of the Gonazalez Seven Eight Nine Ten, defending their performance, contrasting sharply with the testimony of McNulty in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee two weeks ago. Been wondering since I saw that what to make of that, along with his documented letters of authority to Fitzgerald.
Scarecrow
TSF
OK K
Norske
Rayne
Mary
just a few of my heros
AZ Matt -
Your comment comparing this to scandal at Walter Reed is stupid. What do you think caused many of soldiers to come to Walter Reed in the first place? It wasnt a pillow fight.
Good point.
Norske- I left you a comment at the end of the previous thread re: moderator bashing. Please read.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
a break today; probably will again tonite.
Scarecrow @ 69
Gawd, she is a complete idiot! Where in the hell did they find her? Trex needs to stomp the crap out her for that! What a blithering ASS!
Rayne @ 67
Comey has departed DoJ for Lockheed Martin, no?
totally ot, but have you guys seen all the fun atrios, sadly no, lgm & others are having w/ conservopedia?
OMG, it really, REALLY is funny. Those folks (Schaffly, etc.) are batshit crazy.
If you need a chuckle, have at it.
a propos of nothing, some nice wordcrafting by Jeff Tweedy of Wilco:
none of the live youtubes do the studio version justice, so here’s an unplugged version.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
… but not anymore, since the Wingnut Religious Right has totally discredited itself by being played for fools by the neocons, and since people like Grover Norquist have lost all credibility and “moral” standing (as if they ever had it to begin with). Plus the fact that many of them should be in jail (Hey Grover — there’s an Indian tribe holding for you on line 2) along with their buddy Jack Abramoff.
I am all about crocodile tears for these freaks.
Hey TSF,
Are you the teddy94110 over at howell’s comment section?
AZ Matt — the editor’s comment was worse, I think. He basically says that defaming Wilson and Fitzgerald with mug shots was “fun” jounalism, and the article was a “success” because it drew dozens of angry, negative responses from justifiably offended readers. If that’s their defintion of “success” — defaming good people for fun — it’s hard to see how they can or should survive. Howell’s offense is being too clueless to see the absurdity of what she just wrote.
Rayne – In case you missed it, a subject near and dear to you poped up toward the end of the blue america thread.
starting right about here.
Oh and Justice Department Fires 8th US Attorney
S.O.S. in MA @ 76
… but not anymore, since the Wingnut Religious Right has totally discredited itself by being played for fools by the neocons, and since people like Grover Norquist have lost all credibility and “moral” standing (as if they ever had it to begin with). Plus the fact that many of them should be in jail (Hey Grover — there’s an Indian tribe holding for you on line 2) along with their buddy Jack Abramoff.
I am all about crocodile tears for these freaks.
I would love to see some congressional investigations into Norquist and his buddies. I work on a reservation so I hate those suckers for the crap they pulled on the tribes.
Scarecrow @ 78
I totally agree with you on that. This fool has all of this experience but not a clue as to what he allowed. Hell, is WaPo going the way of Faux NoNews? There are good folks there but that is one editor that should be banished to the restrooms.
Eureka Springs, AR @
79
Yep, it’s all related; thanks for link.
AZ Matt @ 77
omg my covertness is shot to hell
TeddySanFran @ 83
It was Armitage.
Scarecrow @ 78
And Kaiser’s idea that Toensing and the accompanying graphic cast “a fresh light” — what fresh light, after Byron York’s stupidity the day before? There’s only one light been cast on the entire Libby episode by the WaPo, and it’s the light they cast on all BushCo: flattering and sycophantic.
I grew up in Redding so figured that was a Bay Area area code. 8>)
AZ Matt @ 80
I would love to see some congressional investigations into Norquist and his buddies. I work on a reservation so I hate those suckers for the crap they pulled on the tribes.
It seems also that the tribes will be disrespected forever, due to their association with Abramoff. John Solomon’s article about the Democratic fundraisers was quite dismissive of tribes’ participation in these events, here.
Jane has a fun NEW THREAD upstairs.
AZ Matt @ 80
I would love to see some congressional investigations into Norquist and his buddies. I work on a reservation so I hate those suckers for the crap they pulled on the tribes.
You work on the rez? Grew up in Redding? Do you know the Chico area?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 89
You work on the rez? Grew up in Redding? Do you know the Chico area?
CSU Chico BA & MA. Finished in ‘79.
Mary @
56
Thanks Mary.
AZ Matt @ 90
CSU Chico BA & MA. Finished in ‘79.
Chico State ‘71. ;0)
Eureka Springs AR (79) — sorry, stepped away for a bit – but thanks for pointing out that Rep. Cohen is looking into the USAG-USA question.
And USAG #10 (I think the media has lost sight of a couple) is in my backyard here in Michigan. She was on my list of people to call; think I have to escalate that phonecall before she actually leaves office.
TeddySanFran — did Comey leave USDOJ? I guess I missed that detail…hmm.
Scintillating post, Scarecrow.
My tolerance level for swipes at, and dishonest criticisms of, Fitzgerald and his staff in this investigation, is falling fast. Where no objective evidence of unethical, uncontrolled, or reckless prosecutorial behavior exists, but where instead, objective evidence of highly ethical, controlled, good-faith, and taxpayer-friendly prosecutorial discretion does exist, a line needs to be drawn and a clear standard upheld by such holders of power over the public debate as Associate Editor The Kaiser at the Washington Post.
Of the four men publicly vilified and defamed by Kaiser’s Outlook graphic, two represent outstanding examples of the ideal of public service to our country. And yet Fitzgerald and Wilson – who both have worked hard, smart, and long to better the common good despite vicious politicized public attacks for their efforts – are lumped together with two of the least-admirable and self-serving ‘public servants’ in this country’s history. That is completely uncalled-for, and out of line behavior by a major (supposedly agenda-free) newspaper, which clearly demonstrates a deliberate bias and private agenda that the self-professedly disinterested Editor Bob Kaiser wishes to promote. Shameful, despicable and beneath contempt, Mr. Kaiser, whether you thought of this ‘trick’ yourself, or are simply doing the bidding of your ownership and its corporate masters.
May Bob Kaiser reap what he sows should he ever find himself in need of wise, ethical and just treatment from the judicial system, so he’ll fully appreciate how wrong he was and is to denigrate the sort of respectful and carefully-defined questioning that many of his own reporters – not to mention Kaiser’s fellow editor Mr. Woodward – have firsthand and personal experience with, having been on the receiving end of just such respectful and only-too-deferential treatment from Mr. Fitzgerald and his investigators.
The prosecutorial restraint that Special Counsel Fitzgerald has demonstrated, with regard to the Espionage Act and other potential avenues of pursuit of journalists, is a model of enforcing the rule of law while respecting and protecting the First Amendment, that any honest editor would recognize, fully appreciate, and commend at every opportunity. But of course, if dishonest criticism of such a restrained-as-to-journalists criminal investigation gets the Washington Post’s ownership and management even more unaccountable power, by way of a federal shield law exempting their employees from the need to testify in federal criminal investigations, I guess the road they’ll travel is clear – power-junkies such as the Post and the WSJ will solicit all the propaganda they can print in an attempt to feed their habit and need for ever more power, the public good be damned.
In the meantime, despite such attempts to spread offensive slander – via propaganda published by the national corporate-subsidiary media – about Fitzgerald’s top-drawer criminal investigation of the highest levels of our government, conducted in the face of enormous odds, it appears that we are soon going to know much more about where things stand with this investigation, provided Fitzgerald accepts questions from the media following his post-verdict statement. Whether Fitzgerald is holding aces in his hand, obtained since the Libby indictment by way of both Armitage and Rove, may soon become clear, one way or the other. That information probably even has the news potential to overwhelm a Libby verdict, provided we still had a free press in America to fully and honestly report it and that the hand Fitzgerald is holding dictates that it’s time to raise the stakes.
How much longer will the Congress of the United States allow the Bush/Cheney regime and its unprincipled attorneys to continue turning the United States into an international legal pariah?
welcome to america!!!
Our Supreme Court is one of the things that gives me comfort through the dark times of living with Stephen Harper as PM, even in a weak minority he is doing a lot of damage that most people simply aren’t going to see right away. Like acid left in the same place the damage from these Straussians (yes, our PM follows a political school of thought that is significantly influenced by Leo Strauss, the Calgary School is how it is known) way of thinking and running government is very corrosive to the rights of the individual and the checks and balances of our respective legal codes. Not to mention the tampering with the judiciary, as the GOP has done for decades now and the CPC under Harper has begun with the way he changed the way we appoint judges to give the government’s appointees a majority position from the minority they held before, and they did it in part by giving the committees an extra seat to a police representative to judge the fitness of potential judges (and then admitted in Parliament that they were appointing judges that would advance their law and order agenda), forcing the sole rep for the judges to be the chair in a committee expanded from 7 to 8. Now, how often in an up or down vote will 7 voters come to even ties? You guessed it, de facto nullification of the judges’ voice on appointees. Last thing to understand is that before the changes the 7 member committee was made up with 3 government appointees, a minority position while now they have 4 out of 8 but with one of the non governmental appointees the chair restricting that vote. The government has been making a bag deal out of how the opposition hates cops because of their concern over these changes because most people do not know all the fine details and the government certainly isn’t going out of its way to tell us beyond the legal minimum required and they certainly aren’t mentioning it in their rhetoric against their foes.
So I take a lot of comfort in knowing that at least for know they are starting to erode a system still largely untouched by this acid, unlike our American cousins. However, that is something that is temporary unless we are able to remove this acid from our midst, and I worry about that a lot, which is why my main blogging and commentary these days is on Harper and his CPC and the threat I see them posing. In some ways the American example helps, but it hurts in others since Harper is not anywhere near as limited in scope, vision, or doggedness as GWB, far from it. This makes him harder to equate without looking like you are being over the top in your use of rhetoric and that tends to discredit one. I have watched with horror for thirty years now as the forces of movement conservatism has gained power and rising to the ascendancy they enjoyed until a few months ago in American federal politics, and it has scared me greatly that it could seep in here as many of your other trends have. I love our judiciary, I happen to be one of those that thinks overall the Charter is far more of a good thing than bad and therefore is worthy of respect and defence, and I find the idea of surrendering the right to complain, critique, and be an informed citizen and voter to be offensive. I like the fact that my judiciary is not significantly influenced by partisan politics of the day nor easily open to exploitation. The irony about the original judicial appointments structure that was being changed by Harper? It was a Conservative PM, Brian Mulroney and Harper is the first Conservative (although of a fairly different Conservative party as Mulroney was the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada and Harper is the Conservative Party of Canada) PM since him and this is the same man that has decried the sins of judicial activist judges, sound familiar? He doesn’t like the ones that don’t exist outside of the minds of he and his fellow believers and therefore feels he must put his own on to balance it out, but since there is no problem to be addressed the solution creates the very problem being initially decried by oddly enough in the favour of those that first decried it without evidence of such. Curious that. (snark)
Thank you for a very good post Scarecrow, believe me I take comfort in our courts for the moment, but that could alas change for us as it has you if we don’t stop Harper and his brand of Conservativism soon preferably discrediting it in the process, as in within the next 2 years IMHO, we are going to start having some really serious problems similar to what happened to the American judicial system over the past quarter century. I lived before the Charter and remember knowing that the government could take away your rights and freedoms with a flick of its legislative fingers, as the War Measures Act showed in 1970 (I was alive for it but young and not in the directly affected region/Province of Quebec) by the same man that brought us the Charter of Rights and Freedoms a dozen years later. Go figure…
pow wow, scotian — excellent comments on the WaPo misdeed and the Canadian SC.
Thanks to everyone for dropping by. We’ll be upstairs, looking for Libby sitings.
Hey Scotian- great to see you here! Long post with lots to digest, so this is a bit of a “drive’by” and for that I apologize. You sound like such a serious person, and that is great, but are you ever tempted to get rude and snarky about our respective govts? That really is an FDL tradition, y’know. ;) one step at a time….
“The Canadian court decision reflected striking differences from the current legal climate in the United States.”
Since when do we have a “current legal climate?” I thought laws and Constitutional principles were big serious things that aren’t subject to the whim of the moment.
VG:
I have my own style of rude and snarky, just ask anyone that is an old timer of Political Animal (as in over a year, as the last year or so I haven’t been there much since the dark days came with Harper’s election) but I have unfortunately a rather detailed (long winded) style of writing in part because of the way my thought processes work. It comes from having severe ADHD and how I learned to work around it, sorry…:)
pow wow – I sure hope you send your comments to Kaiser & Howell
Scotian @ 100
Oh dear Scotian, no offense meant on my part. You are following the long tradition of Hugh (to name one name) et al who post long and thoughtful comments at FDL. I really apologize if my comment was untoward.
VG:
Don’t sweat it, the only people I have ever seen complain about my format/length were critics that could not deal with the material. I just like to poke some self deprecating humour regarding my rather well known predilection for excessive verbiage…:)
I really have been lurking here for at least 80% of DFL’s life, and by that I include the former site as well as this one, and I know lengthy comments are acceptable if there is something being said in them, and I like to think I can usually pass that standard…:)
I did not mean to leave you with any impression of hurt feelings or offence, there was none taken because none was offered, I understood that from the start. I am sorry I was not more clear about that.
EPU’d Rayne – Comey, who also tried to help pro-torture, pro-violations of UCMJ and Gen.Convention, pro-stretch the truth to Senat committees Wm Haynes get an appointment to the Fourth Circuit, went to a Gen Counsel slot at Lockheed over a year ago.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-…..amp;EDATE=
McNulty now hold Comey’s old Dep AG post.
I’m not a fan in any way, shape or form. Quite a few others are. Mary rhymes with contrary.
Scotian- thanks so much for your reply. Whew! I certainly wouldn’t want to discourage you in any way!
dab_from_CT @
101
Thanks for the nudge, dab. Will do, with revisions.
Many months ago on Kos, I posted a link to an article that describes rather well how a sound and democratic legal system was perverted to serve Pinochet in Chile.
This is, of course, to a lesser degree, what is happening in the United States.
This is recommended reading to anyone in the legal profession.
The lawyers who opposed that view in Chile were killed, forced into exile or beaten into submisson.
Help will not come from the Law. The Law says, ultimately, what the people in charge want it to say.
Scarecrow, AZ Matt at 78 and 81,
In light of your concern that the editor would allow “fun” journalism in using mug shots of Fitzgerald and Wilson, may I ask for some thoughtful consideration of Tim Russert.
FDL has allowed and at times promoted the idea that “pumpkinhead” is a “tool” etc.
When I have brought Tim up for your reconsideration I have been called all sorts of things.
I draw the line with letting ideas fester that Tim Russert was complicit with those who may be found guilty of treason.
I challenge the editors of this publication to think about that as FDL grows.
Tim Russert did not invoke his privilege to refrain from answering the questions put to him by the FBI. Why?
Tim Russert was asked to remain quiet about this. Why did he not break the story? Why did he do what was requested of him?
Why did lawyers from NBC get involved? Might it not be for something beyond Tim’s personal predicament? Might they not have to examine the assaults on the press?
It’s Tim Russert’s words against Libby and the ruthless people with billions; the Vice President tilted his head when Libby told him that Tim Russert was going to be the alibi.
Tim Russert: pumpkinhead, tool.
FDL is a young organization. It is passionate and smart. Truth – The Truth – is used here often. Most harm done in this world is done in the name of someone’s Truth.
Boston 1775 — thanks for the thoughtful comment. I think most people are aware of the tensions between political satire and its cousin, ridicule, and the pursuit of “truth,” however defined. We each draw the line for what is/is not acceptable discourse at different places, depending on how intensely we feel about the subject of our scorn.
I am sometimes disappointed with Tim Russert and sometimes appreciative, but I don’t think I (or anyone else here) have ever confused Tim with Dick Cheney. But I see your point: I may not use “pumpkinhead” or “tweety,” but I’ve probably described Cheney in ways more derogatory than “Darth Vader.” I admit I don’t know how to draw that line.
I also believe firedoglake is evolving. I like to think it’s because we all learn from each other and from our experience. It may also be that we realize that blogs like this are no longer commenting from outside the main political discourse but have become (and earned the right to be) very much part of it.