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Update: Libby jury has been sent home for the day. Back on Monday.
Still no news here from the Libby courthouse, so let's kick Holy Joe and his preening, sanctimonious "man of conscience" BS around a little bit.
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out Joe Lieberman lied to Connecticut voters when he said during the election he wouldn't switch parties, or that "nobody wanted to bring the troops home" more than he did. Now of course he is threatening to switch parties on almost a daily basis (despite the fact that, as Gregg Sargent says, that's extremely unlikely — we're just not that lucky) and he's one of the biggest cheerleaders for the Iraq troop surge.
So why aren't journalists asking him about it?
Today in Hartford:
During an interview with the media a student interrupted to shout “No more Troops! Bring them home!” to which Lieberman replied: “I got the message.”
He said while a majority of the Democratic caucus does not support the increase in troops, “a majority of the members in both houses aren’t ready to cut off funding to the troops.” When asked if he understood a majority of the public didn’t support the troop increase Lieberman responded by saying, “Iraq is a bit more complicated.”
“I still think a majority of us would like to us succeed,” Lieberman said.
As the press was called off by Lieberman’s handlers, a Wesleyan student who had attended the “No Child Left Behind” discussion that brought Lieberman to Hartford Friday, asked him why he changed his stance on the war after the election.
Mike Pernick said during his campaign Lieberman promised to bring the troops home as soon as possible and now he supports a plan to increase troop levels. “It doesn’t make sense,” Pernick said.
To all the journalists who let Joe get away with this rot during the election — do you feel the least little bit guilty? Is there any shame involved, do you feel any shame that you got punk'd so badly? If there's some journalistic principle involved in maintaining this kabuki, or some big, mysterious payoff that all of us sitting here in the cheap seats just aren't privy to, please let us know. Because all we can see from here is that some kid is doing your job for you, and you look like a bunch of bought-and-paid-fors too timid to ask the obvious questions.
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Fitz-mas!! (One can hope)
Madness, Madness MADNESS
I Love Jane Hamsher @
1
If I would have just stuck to FITZ!, I know I would have been first!
bought-and-paid-fors too timid to ask the obvious questions
That’s a pretty accurate description for most of what passes for our “press” these days, innit?
“I’d like to answer your questions, Jane, but my discussions with Joe are off the record.”
– NBC News Washington Bureau Chief, Timmah McPumpkin.
Perhaps he doesn’t get questioned so we don’t have to hear him whine – just can’t stand to hear his voice or his lies.
I hope Harry Reid is happy with the headache he brought upon himself. As it is, it seems Harry Reid likes giving himself headaches since he is obviously behind giving Faux Noise Channel the right to broadcast the Democratic debate. Being a Springsteen fan, I think we’ll have to start singing “Reno” to Reid. I hope he thinks it’s worth the $250 to get f–ked up the butt.
well, fwiw he would need a 2/3 majority in both houses to get the VP spot if Chenron leaves. I think he’s pissed off enough people with his schtick to not get it
I Love Jane Hamsher @ 7
No. Reid’s playing rope-a-dope for the short-term. A knock-out punch will come in a future round.
Ouch. I don’t really think it’s a matter of them getting “punk’d” – they know exactly what’s going on, but it’s their job to *not* report it.
22 minutes to go, don’t think anything is going to happen here at the courthouse but I will let you know.
Not to bring everyone down on a Friday afternoon…. but please read this article… it is unbelievable… and then contact you congress and senate representatives…. thank you on behalf of the hundreds, if not thousands, being tortured at this minute by our government…
http://www.congress.org
http://www.senate.org
this article is amazing….
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070312/klein
The guy asks a good question of Lieberman, but how did Lieberman respond? A cliffhanger in a news article…great.
Shame involves memory. The MSM feels no shame over anything whatsoever, because there’s no memory of anything. And complicated matters like the Libby trial are just too complicated to make big gushy stories out of…like the Anna Nicole court proceedings.
One blonde down, another waits somewhere in the wings to meet her fate, and her rebirth in the short-term memory of CNN and pals.
As we see over and over again, most “professional journalists” are simply stenographers marking time until happy hour. Good examples of this species may be found among the White House Press Corps.
Bloggers aren’t perfect observers, of course. But thanks to the Inter-Tubes we pee-ons have ready sources of info to make our own conclusions. It used to be that we’d have to wait for someone else to compare and contrast a politician’s statements. Now it’s right in front of us. And it ain’t pretty.
But some folks continue to prefer pretty pictures and words to the truth. Hence the reelection of The Last Honest Man.
A well deserved WTF! and I told you so, to the so called journalists, Jane. I know I feel better.
Go nutmeggers, keep up your Lieber-rants!
Amazing. There are practically people falling out of the trees all around them asking Joe the hard questions, and the reporter just scratches his head and takes, “Well, it’s complicated!” as an adequate answer from Short Ride.
Could you ask for a more telling example of what’s wrong with the current batch of media shills? Apparently, critical thinking is one of the first things they beat out of you in today’s journalism programs.
joe liarman reminds me of the whinny actor from the ‘alf’ television program. Now if he would just join alf and chenney in some undisclosed location eat cats and shut-up… oops not fair to cats or even poor alf.
After hearing about the request for photos and flip charts and post-its, I figured that no real deliberating would get done for at least a day. It takes a while to create and organize whatever ‘class project’ they are working on to assist the deliberations.
Hindsight is 20/20, but I’m not surprised there hasn’t been anything today, and likely won’t be.
Eli @ 10
Actually, a bunch of the journalists who just accepted Joe’s BS during the campaign now say they’re upset that they got lied to so shamelessly. Not that they’re doing anything about it, mind you, but many say they feel really, really bad.
Okay, let’s here a chorus of….awwwwww.
Reid is in a very tough position. If Joe does switch parties, Reid would be excoriated for “losing” the Democratic majority in the Senate. But by keeping Joe in the Demo fold he’s accused of harboring a Benedict Arnold.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s quietly reaching out to a more moderate Republican to engineer an R to D switch. He could then with glee cut Holy joe loose, simultaneously stabbing Liarman in the back and saddling the Repubs with that disgrace of a Senator.
Slothrop @ 9
The Democrats’ vast storehouse of dry powder will enable them to wreak a terrible and bloody vengeance… someday.
Well said, Jane. How I long for the days of tough questions and straight answers.
Slothrop @
9
I hope you are right. What I have seen from Reid so far doesn’t inspire much confidence. I am suprised since he used to be a boxer at one point. I would have thought he’d done more to neutralize LIEberman in the beginning.
I keep thinking about the press (perhaps largely because FDL, dKos, Americablog, and others won’t let us not think about them).
And I am starting to believe that this is not all about the press.
Rocking the boat is not a particularly admired activity anywhere, is it? In our jobs, in our communities, in our universities. “We” (meaning society) distrusts the person who is an “activist”; the person who is perceived to be “emotional” about trivial little thinks like avian flu, global warming, or the abuse of detainees in Guantanamo; the person who is on a high horse.
Most of us at FDL are on high horses, and for good reason. (And we are in high dudgeon.)
And we should, of course, pester the press to start doing its job.
But somehow the root of the problem seems broader, in a way that I have not yet quite articulared.
If Joe Lieberman is going to turn Republican he should be quick about it and reduce the surplus population. For him, it would only be a short ride.
16 minutes and counting…
Lieberperson? Not worth covering here either. He’s got the I-am-so-very-important disease…
Whatever came of Mark Foley?
(walking away from the keyboard before I type “we told you so”…)
The hometown press isn’t going to ask the hard questions because they’ve traded their souls for access, just like the WH press corps. Like it or not he’s the Senator from CT for the next six years, so they’ll continue to give Liarman a free ride.
Eli @ 23
The Democrats’ vast storehouse of dry powder will enable them to wreak a terrible and bloody vengeance… someday.
We have so much dry powder, we don’t have a place to store it all. It does you no good to sit on it forever. Do you think Mitch McConell would just sit on the powder forever?
I was awwwwwwww-struck that they believed it at all.
Would it really matter if he did switch? I think he pretty much follows what the Republicans do now anyway (could be wrong, I don’t track Holy Joe too closely).
Not to mention that the Senate can barely get anything done. A one vote “majority” isn’t much to work with.
Hopefully we’ll pick up a bunch of seats next year and we won’t have to worry about this crap.
This article is chilling.
…Usefully create …an opportunity…to wage war…they sound almost optimistic
Emphasis mine.
It pretty hard to blame the journalists when most of the other Democrats were so weak and did not campaign for Lamont.
Go Wesleyan! It’s good to know that Wes students are still a pain in the Man’s a$$ (just like I tried to be oh-too-long ago)!
That said, I’ve still got my money on Amherst in the Libby trial [praying].
Shame involves memory. The MSM feels no shame over anything whatsoever, because there’s no memory of anything.
Because they *are* our memory. So if they don’t remind us of what happened before… it didn’t.
The blogs are an excellent alternative memory, as is the old-fashioned kind, but not many people read the blogs, and regular memory is variable and unreliable, to say the least.
Just as long as the Republicans don’t deny that Britney ever shaved her head, they should be fine.
randiego @ 19, you’ve had experience with “class projects” too. I have been imagining the process in the jury room.
The meme we should be adopting relative to Joe is that he is supposed to be representing the people of the state of Connecticut. This is a representative democracy, not a now-that-I’m-elected-I-can-do-what-I-damn-well-please-cracy.
We need to hit the representation meme at every opportunity and hit it with the press. The war is very unpopular in Connecticut, and Holy Joe is out of step with the people of that state. Since he can’t be recalled, people of that state can make it clear how he should be voting through initiatives and petitions.
What Joe wants more than anything is to be revered.
Stop LAUGHING!
By putting the spot light on his transparent ass, we can remove all opportunity for him to ever be taken seriously again.
Is there any way the people of connecticut could do a recall? Would love to joe flip flop if that could be made to happen.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
HA!
Too late. :)
mc @ 22
Sirota had a great point the other day. We won’t lose majority status because of the organizing resolution. Besides, nothing will get done anyway, since you really need 60 votes to pass anything(and we know Mitch McConnell will not be afraid to filibuster any and everything). Let Joe leave, if he really is. We will win a bunch more seats in ‘08. Holy Joe’s time has past. We have to deal with the present, and Holy Joe has shown he doesn’t want to be a part of it.
Sophist @ 33
Shorter PNAC: what we need is a new new Pearl Harbor.
Lets remember, Leader Reid managed to adjust the rules so Dems will hold committee leadership if Joe switches parties, leaving a 50/50 Senate. At least he managed to nullify that Lieber carrot.
The people at home need to call him on his war lies and failure to investigate Katrina, etc, more than anything, imo.
Prof @ 25
It’s a decent observation. As much as the “American Ideal” worships the Individual, in truth we only hold limited individuality as a positive trait. We love the guy who thought just “different” enough to be a success in business with a strategy that hit the right idea at the right time, but loathe the guy who tells us what we don’t want to hear or doesn’t fit our concept of the dominant narrative.
Poking your head up in a way that doesn’t perpetuate the norm is seen as a trigger for the swinging axe.
Agh. If only the damned media had done their jobs for the last FOUR election cycles. Like finding out what was really going on in Florida and Ohio as it was happening, not months and years later and only in a passive manner. If they’d done a better job of grilling candidates and incumbents during the mid-terms, perhaps the narrow Senate majority hanging on Lieberman’s stupidity would be a convincing Democratic majority. If only they hadn’t sat on key stories like the NYT and domestic spying — an in-kind donation to the B/C’04 election, if you ask me.
But now we have yet another job to do. It’s not cleaning up the media; not worth our time because they’ve already proven themselves irrelevant save for a steady offering of bread-and-circuses.
Our next move is to make it extremely painful for Republicans who are moderates, who are on the fence about the war, especially those who are running for office. We should be hammering them in the local newspapers with LTE’s and blogposts and faxes and telephone calls to make it clear that a clear majority of the public are done with this illegal war. If we don’t have a true majority, we better continue to be a true opposition and put the screws to them.
Oh, and make Joe’s life hell; I imagine he’s avoiding Connecticut again, as he did for the last 6 years. What can be done with that? ;-)
I don’t anticipate any news from the jury in the next ten minutes, and I guess I think that’s good: the jury is willing to take a weekend to mull things over that they’ve finally had a chance to discuss amongst themselves.
Jane Hamsher @ 20
That’s some pretty epic denseness there. Were they in a cave for the last six years?
Jane, you ask if these journalist feel a little bit guilty. I don’t think so, one needs a conscience to feel guilt or remorse, or even to apologize. These are type A *ssholish personalities want to win at any cost. Not one thought from those brains, only a fight or flight response. And when they fly, they’ll spew more lies than their beloved administration.
Prof @ 25
Nice spelling and grammar in my comment, huh?
Just as a matter of pride, I need to say that I do know how to spell “articulated” and “thing” and I do know that “We” takes a plural form of the subsequent verb.
On the other hand, I obviously do not know how to use Preview each and every time, even for simple posts.
Sigh.
countryjoe @ 39
A recall is not possible. CT is stuck with Holy Joe. They made their bed. Now they have to sleep in it.
Verdicts can come just before closing time, which I understand to be 5:30 for this jury. Usually, when the foreperson tells the bailiff that the jury has reached a verdict, the bailiff makes a “V” sign to those waiting in the courtroom. This may even be before he tells the judge, depending on the geometry of the courthouse. For those of us who want America to be America again, in Langston Hughes’ immortal words, the “V” will mean victory.
The Dems should remember what powder can do, especially if a lot of it is in one place. Do they really want someone to throw in a Molotov cocktail?
I wish they’d actually use some of that dry powder when it’s called for, instead of whining about ‘needing to keep their powder dry’ or ’saving it for when it’s really needed’.
Prof @
25
Do you think it is possible for the press, like the NYT and blogs like FDL to develop a symbiotic relationship? The press provides news (assuming they ever get around to asking the right questions) and blogs provide analysis? After all, our strength is to take information from disparate places, put them together and construct a picture. Traditional media’s job is to get the information that we use. If I were a major paper, I’d see a blog like FDL as a great opportunity for co-marketing. Of course, the caveat to this is that FDL would have to maintain its editorial independence. It could be beneficial to both parties. The paper would get better informed analysis. The blog would get access, press credentials, paid?
emptywheel — you out there? did you see the next one of the USAG’s rolling Saturday Night Massacre’s is from Michigan?
Gee…would it have anything to do with the stories I’ve been hearing about wanting to barge nuclear waste across the Great Lakes? Or Abramoff and the Saginaw Chippewas? Or…?
Let’s not take only the media to task:
Hillary’s team want to pretend they had no part of this, it was nothing, Lamont was weak, he would not have won anyway, he laid down after the primary and blew it then, etc. It’s all contradictory and false.
Bill Clinton gave cover for every precinct captain and media person to pretend Joe was still mainstream. Bill gave cover to sell out the party’s voters, and all because team Hillary saw a Senator Ned Lamont as againstb their interests. They won’t admit that in public, but it comes out in other places.
Gee – is Jennifer Medina one of them?
Jury gone home for the day. Back Monday.
At a time when we have sunk to the bloody depths in this country with politics, perjury, pre-emtion, prevarication and persistent perfidy it turns out that, when we need them, decent reporters are few and far between
Principles, apparently have taken a vacation in “main stream media” journalism.
Thank goodness for the troops at FDL and others in the blogosphere. Thank you
I’m amazed that HoJo set foot in CT. I thought he had wiped his hands of having to deal with actual voters.
A. J. Greif @ 51
I thought it was when the smoke coming out of the chimney at Prettyman Courthouse changed from black to white…no?
I Love Jane Hamsher @ 30
We have so much dry powder, we don’t have a place to store it all. It does you no good to sit on it forever. Do you think Mitch McConell would just sit on the powder forever?
He’d light a Stogey!
Quebecois @ 48
I can tell you one thing. I.F. Stone and Seymour Hirsh, these journalists are not(I am getting my Yoda on!!). They are consumed with power. Where would they be if not for their not having access to the cocktail party circuit? They have traded access for proper reporting. Not only that, but who controls NBC? ABC? Big conglomerates. Do they want the real news portrayed? Of course not. They want to keep the masses sedated. It’s been that way forever. Look at guys like W.R. Hearst. The news media has been killing the truth and the left forever(since Hearst started at least) in this country. It won’t change anytime soon. :-(
Jane Hamsher @ 57
I’m not surprised, from FDL’s descriptions and the materials requested, they sound like a very deliberative group of intelligent jurors, intent on making sure that they get all the evidence straight before rendering a verdict. This could be awhile.
Damn – I hate to wait another day, let alone a weekend!
Lieberman is a sad little man, desperate to be allowed to play with the big boys. dan robinson @
38
Exactly right! A representative democracy. Wouldnt it be nice if campaign promises were made under oath, or at least were subject to the same rules and regs as any other verbal contract? Or at least were subject to trith-in-advertising regs?
watch the old guard shoot themselves in the foot now
few if any will ever be re elected now, so they know how lame and how duck they are
bdu @ 63
I’m thinking Tuesday. Guilty.
_
scarecrow,
See you soon. I guess it’s dinner and a movie rather than verdict watch. Chicken or beef?
EPU’d from prev thread:
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Canuck Stuck in Muck @ 81
U rang? :)
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(I just caught the snooze that the jury’s out for the weekend. OhFoo. Time to seek out some legal snarkotics, I spoze.)
I’m thinking Tuesday is the first possible time. I think they’re being methodical. Which is good!
Obama suggest they should end the “tit-for-tat” squabble between the presidential candidates. Somehow I have a feeling he should not have used exactly those words when referring to Hillary.
I still don’t understand all this talk about Joe Lieberman “switching” parties. What is it about his “Connecticut for Lieberman” party that he doesn’t like?
An astrologer that hangs out here on Late Nights said Feb 28th is a significant date in her charts. That’s next Wednesday. Could be Fitzmas.
BobbyG @ 67
Have we started an FDL pool yet? ;0)
(I’ve been mostly MIA from the comments over the last 6 months, so if it’s already begun, forgive me)
my too sense @ 60
In this case it’s when the steam begins coming out of Libby’s ears, instead of the smokescreen that came out of his mouth before the grand jury.
This kind of comment really gets to me. For me it is like the losing coach in the Superbowl refusing to give in and insisting that if they just play another quarter they’ll come back from a 35-7 drubbing.
Lieberman and the Repubs refuse to acknowledge that they have already lost in Iraq and certainly do not want to confront it is a game they should never have entered in the first place.
I wish they’d actually use some of that dry powder when it’s called for, instead of whining about ‘needing to keep their powder dry’ or ’saving it for when it’s really needed’.
My point. They seem to be operating under the assumption that they have a very limited number of times that they are allowed to act like an opposition party, and must therefore hoard them very carefully.
A recall is not possible. CT is stuck with Holy Joe. They made their bed. Now they have to sleep in it.
Here’s my dream scenario:
Al Gore gets elected president.
Al Gore asks his old running mate Joe to take over DHS.
Republican governor appoints Republican replacement, but Democrats have solid majority, so it doesn’t really matter.
President Gore treats Joe like Dubya treated Christie Whitman, but is able to flatter him just enough to keep him from resigning.
President Gore fires Joe the day after the deadline to declare for the 2010 midterm to replace Joe’s interim successor.
President Gore takes high-resolution photo of Joe at the moment that he realizes what has happened, and e-mails it to me so I can make it the new banner on my blog.
Salma Hayek totally makes a pass at me.
Jane Hamsher @ 20
Y’know, I have a feeling that we need to start a new fashion. Any time a politician or reporter expresses dismay over the (utterly predictable) results of their consistent behavior, the immediate and very insistent response needs to be:
What are you going to do about it?
Rayne @ 54
Holy crap. Can anything stop this? I know Congress is investigating but can it stop it and reinstate?
I know we’ve talked about Fitzgerald being protected in his role as head of the Plame leak investigation – but could his position as prosecutor in Illinois be in jeopardy?
Wonder if there will be another attempt at jury tampering on Sunday in the Washington Post. I am sure it will be titled, “How to Cause a Hung Jury.”
Sally at 1:50 – not just class projects, but also experience in being the leader of the merry band. Herding cats ain’t easy.
beth meacham @ 70
I have this mental image of the math teacher and the MIT PhD walking through the laws of probability for the rest of the jurors. The chances that ALL of the prosecutions witnesses were lying or misremembering is virtually nil. Couple that with the fact that Scooter has never actually said that he “forgot” or “misrembered”, and you get the probability even lower. The chances are 1/1,000,000,000,etc. that he’s really innocent. They needed masking tape because the full number wouldn’t fit on a single page of the flip-chart.
Frank Probst @ 72
Actually, I think he’s been forceably kicked out of that party, too.
Poor Joe – nobody wants him…
There will be a great deal of speculation over the jury failing to reach a verdict today. Having had a considerable amount of experience with juries, I believe you could, in good faith, argue it round or flat.
Rayne @
54
WTF? [my bold]
Two words. Edmund Fitzgerald.
Biden’s mug on the teevee again. Really tired of seeing it.
bdu @ 74
Hi bdu, in a moment of levity a few daze back I (amongst others I’m sure) suggested just such; but egregious (I think it was) requested that, because FDL had become such a cynosure for the media, we would do well not to open ourselves to criticism by treating such a serious thing as this trial as a betting matter. I (for one) agreed.
old gold @ 84
Shrug. Three more days for Libby to hammer out his plea deal.
bdu @
63
I am hoping you are right but I don’t see the jury going home for the weekend as a good sign. As complicated as this case appeared to be a times, essentially, it is a case where a person got caught lying and then changed their story. I think any unbiased person with half a brain would realize this in three days and convict.
I hope I am wrong but I can picture the majority of the jurors trying to beat the truth into one or two blockhead jurors.
You can bet that over the weekend there is going to be a media blitz (NYT, WaPo) talking about how this case should have never gone to trial and that Fitz was overreaching in prosecuting Libby. One or more of these jurors is going to watch TV or read the paper and probably be exposed to the media’s take. I hope they maintain their oath and stay away from that
Deadeye to AF2 pilot:
Damn! Jane says no verdict today. Can’t go home yet, so I guess we’ll have to fly circles around Australia all weekend. Btw, what’s the weather like in Paraquay?
I am really mixed about no verdict yet today. I’d like to think that the jury did get Cathie Martin’s message about burying news by releasing it on Friday afternoon. But I am planning a perfectly wonderful short vacation whale watching on the Northern California coast and will be out of cell and wireless range for 3 days.
Guess I just gotta go cold turkey.
eli @ 77
I’m having trouble with the next-to-last para. I don’t think Joe will figure it out for at least a week.
Prairie Sunshine @
85
Gordon Lightfoot !!!!!
Eli @10
I agree. Media ownership has become so consolidated that any attempt at responsible journalism would probably mean their jobs.
“I still think a majority of us would like to us succeed,” Lieberman said.
Excrew you?
I’ll tell you some things a majority of us would like to see us succeed in…
Aid to Katrina.
Saving the environment.
Protecting our Constitution.
Caring for our troops AFTER they have been maimed in a foreign civil war.
Providing affordable health care for us all.
Reducing crime.
Eliminating discrimination.
Caring for the elderly.
Reducing homelessness.
Combatting AIDS, cancer, heart disease and tooth decay.
Full employment.
Tax equity.
Regaining respect in the international community.
Where the HELL, Senator, is your incredible devotion to succeeding on THESE fronts? Why is the ONLY thing that you and this adminsitration believes is important to succeed in a quixotic rampage against an undefinable foe?
You want to WIN something, Joe baby? Win ONE of the above. Then we’ll talk.
Great billboard over at C&L.
I guess this means I can vacuum.
Frank Probst @ 82
.. Washington D.C.’s entire supply of Lame Duck Tape has been used up.
kareloc – if there is that level of misbehavior on the part of the media – and if a juror is exposed – there will be a mistrial (and Libby will have to come up with a few million more to cover a new trial).
They are clearly not going to acquit Libby. There are five counts with different components to each. This is a well educated, serious jury.
Libby will be found guilty of some, if not all counts. It’s only been 2 1/2 days.
TRex @ 17
Of course, Liarman resorts to patronizing mode, no doubt with a little chuckle/smile (That chuckle I *really* hate. ) As if to appeal to all the “adults” in the room, who understand the world is “complicated,” as opposed to those who like this kid probably smell a rotten defense contractor in the room or something.
Can someone who knows the jury answer a question for me? Did juror 0677 get on the jury? The one who is a TV producer and trained at the right-wing National Journalism Center? David Corn wrote an article where he mentioned to watch out for her.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..pid=158370
Remember that this is the same jury that on Valentine’s Day pulled an odd stunt where all but one wore shirts with hearts on them, and then read a Valentine message to the judge, staff and lawyers from the jury box.
Who knows, maybe they are working on a song for the verdict.
OT: I don’t know if you’ve seen this over at Crooks and Liars: Write your own caption.
P J Evans @ 91
That thought did occur to me. I’ll hire one of those detectives who follows cheating husbands around with a camera. (”I want an ‘A-ha’ moment, but for the love of God, not *that* kind of ‘A-ha’ moment.”)
Oscar Win Would Revive Talk of Gore Bid
February 23, 2007 4:04 PM EST
(excerpts from a/p)
“An Inconvenient Truth,” the documentary about the former vice president’s crusade against global warming, is the odds-on favorite to win an Oscar. Gore plans to attend the ceremony as well as the glitzy before and after parties.
If the movie takes top honors, director Davis Guggenheim would accept the golden statuette and Gore would join him onstage. He doesn’t plan an endless “thank you” speech, but the liberal-leaning Hollywood audience may have a different idea.
And all the buzz on the West Coast and in Washington on Friday was about another special Gore appearance during the ceremony.
An Oscar would be the latest accolade in a remarkable year for Gore, who became a best-selling author, announced plans for a seven-continent series of concerts to fight global warming and was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.
His narrow loss to Republican George W. Bush in the disputed 2000 presidential election is still a sore subject for many Democrats. An Oscar win is certain to spark new questions about Gore’s political future.
He has said repeatedly he has no plans to join the field of presidential aspirants dominated by Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama. Yet, Gore’s unwillingness to rule out a run completely has given some activists hope that he might change his mind.
A group of key supporters, led by his former policy adviser, Elaine Kamarck, even met in Boston earlier this month to mull a possible Gore candidacy.
I think there are still an awful lot of Democrats who rightly believe Gore won in 2000,” said Roger Salazar, a Democratic strategist and former Gore spokesman. “With this movie and the Oscar nomination, people are taking another look at him and feel more warmly about him than they have in some time.”
Friends say Gore has built a nice life out of the wreckage of 2000. He is worth millions, thanks to his membership on the Apple, Inc., board and a significant stock windfall from his advisory relationship with the Internet search giant Google. He also chairs a private investment company and Current.tv, a cable network aimed at young viewers.
He and his wife, Tipper, own several homes and travel extensively, much of it to raise awareness of global warming. Tickets to a Gore appearance in Toronto this week sold out within minutes, with some being scalped for as much as $500 apiece.
And a man once so fastidious about his appearance that he hired an image consultant is older and heavier, raising questions about whether he’s fleet enough for another run.
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oscars should be interesting…
cc in nm @ 12
Isn’t that an impeachable offence in and of itself? What horrors.
You know, maybe Joe’s right. After all, as Rep. Michelle Bachman (R – state institute for the hopelessly insane) says:
Iran is the trouble maker, trying to tip over apple carts all over Baghdad right now because they want America to pull out.
I can handle the Iranians making super-sophisticated IEDs, enriching uranium and border smuggling, but tipping over apple carts is going way too far. I’m going down to re-enlist right now.
annx @ 101
Pach or Christy might have an answer to that. God I hope she’s not on the jury. If she is I wonder what Fitz was smoking?
karelroc @ 89
An educated jury will always take longer to decide. They feel compelled to read every exhibit. If you take 14 days to try a case and 6 1/2 hours to argue it, you are inviting the jury to truly deliberate.
dab_from_CT @ 108
I’m pretty sure the livebloggers reported she was eliminated by Team USA in voir dire.
S.O.S. in MA @ 87
Makes sense to me. Though, as a new media focal point, this community will arguably need to deal with the matter of separation between content posted to the blog itself and user-generated content in the comments section sooner or later. In order to prevent courting trouble, it might be best to get it over with sooner…
abeincicero @ 102
Or a snarky lymeric.
Oh how delightful!
I’ll check on that juror when I get to a place later where I can review my notes. I’ll post my answer in this thread.
A good measure of who I’ll be supporting for President will be if they supported Ned or the uncomfortable one.
Well this gives
Cheneyco, Comstack & the Scooter Libby Defense FundFred Hiatt another chance to put forth another series of editorials over the weekend as to why poor Libby is a victim in this whole thing. I can see the Headline..Madness, Madness, Madness.. Prosecutor Gone Wild!. Just wonder who will get by-line(s) this time around?kml @ 112
Give them a little more credit, please. I’ll bet they finished the verdict two days ago. Right now, they’re just putting the finishing touches on their dance routine.
Millineryman @ 111
The only one of them IIRC that supported Ned and showed up was Dodd.
OT – Ed*ard Teller if you are still around. Don Young has joined up with the Huckabee for president campaign.
Sounds like Pach is going somewhere full speed ahead.
I’m so glad the jury went home and a Friday verdict was not to be. A Monday verdict will give the MSM at least a better shot at covering this, unless Britney leaves rehab.
I have talked several times with the staff at Sen. Specter’s office asking them to have Specter switch parties. Since PA is a blue state now, and Specter was humiliated while chairman of Judiciary Committee by Bush et al, and Specter was traditionally a more moderate Republican, Specter could make the switch without too much shock. The staff did not seem too averse to that thought, believe it or not. Has anyone approached the Senator? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. His staff seems more liberal than other GOP Senator staffs. Specter would be a good tit for tat if Whiney Joe left. I would love to see Liarman leave. Not that Specter is any great liberal, but his instincts are more Dem than GOP.
Frank @ 116
LMFAO
Riverdance?
Millineryman @ 114
Yeah I give them grades. Hillary-C. Barack Obama-F. Maxine Waters- A . Ted Kennedy- A- (give or take.)
I Love Jane Hamsher @
50
ok, when the verdicts come in, what is the typical strategy?
are the charges called in order?
or do they announce the innocents first
‘Upton Sinclair, white courtesy phone‘
;>)
Joe would rather switch then fight…Republicans.
perris @ 124
IANL, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn once.
According to my intense television rendered recollections, they read each charge and decide that one before they move to the next.
mui @ 123
Hillary gets an F. It was her husband’s comments about the Lamont/Lieberman race on Larry King that sent the message to Democrats across the country that they shouldn’t help Lamont. And President Clinton campaigned for Lieberman but not Lamont.
Aaaw. Not that I mind piling on Joe — but I came to FDL on my break at work with bated breath…verdict? Sigh. A whole weekend to wait. Drat. I really thought they’d decide faster than this.
and…I yield to no one in my contempt … wait, somebody said that already, didn’t they?
back to work.
Here is something From Glenn Greenwald on an interview between General William Odum And Hugh Hewitt. Contrast it with Mr. Nasals utterances. You are right he is a goddam punk.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Alice B. @ 120
Specter is not a moderate. He talks like one sometimes, but he always ends up eagerly doing the hard right’s bidding.
All this talk of the Edmund Fitzgerald and a jury verdict song got me thinking.
How about “The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”?
Some possible verses:
The legend lives on from the bloggers on down
Of the counsel they call Pat Fitzgerald
The man, it is said, never gives up his quest
When the lies of Dick Cheney turn deadly.
The Fitz was the pride of the reality-based side
Coming down to D.C. from Chicago
As special counsel go he was better than most
With a team of assistants well seasoned.
mc @ 21
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s quietly reaching out to a more moderate Republican to engineer an R to D switch. He could then with glee cut Holy joe loose, simultaneously stabbing Liarman in the back and saddling the Repubs with that disgrace of a Senator.
well, maybe therein lies the answer, who should we target with our mail??????????? where is a republican that may switch if he/she could do that? gotta be a few who are lookin’ at the other team and thinkin’ that they like the other team’s uniforms better. especially with what has gone on for the last few years….if i was a republican i would be sick at what has gone on, (too much to list), and would think twice about my alliances. and would be looking around for a way out.
so who are the possible switcheroos?
RevDeb @ 117
Edwards showed up once but declined to return when asked according to this diary by Tim Tagaris.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../122820/27
Bustednuckles @ 127
I’m talking about when the verdict comes in before the judge and is announced in open court
I Love Jane Hamsher @
50
I prefer the saying: lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. I also promise to use preview, like Prof, even for short posts.
if one of the smarter Repug Senators with a vestigial conscence switched to the Dem party, or even went Indie, could, and would Reid boot Lieb off his chairmanship? Oh, I hope hope hope so!
What a horrible trainwreck of a mess. Unless HRC can win the primary, I can’t support her. It’s not just the war and her position on it, but her equally horrible position on Joe Lieberman.
In the meantime, we have to stop the increasing clouds hanging over the various offices within the Executive Branch. I really wish we could have another chat with John Dean to discuss how to implement his suggestion of impeaching lower level folks first. Alberto Gonzales is begging for it; I’ve yet to hear a single state make any noises of support for his attacks on the offices of U.S. Attorneys, not to mention his horrible handling of virtually every issue on his plate. He’s clearly not suitable for the job and should be removed.
And I wasn’t kidding about that nuclear waste and the Great Lakes.[PDF] This could affect the populations of Milwaukee, Chicago, Muskegon, hell, the entire Great Lakes ecosystem and one of the largest fresh water resources in the world. Gah.
*xyz @ 128
Hmm true. My grades are a little arbitrary and subject to change. I thought she “redeemed” herself a little after the primary. She also sent that fraudulent flyer/letter to the DTCs. Perhaps your right, she deserves an F. Personally? *If* I had to choose between Barack and Hillary, and I mean *if*, I would choose Barack. O.K so Hillary gets an F.
RevDeb @ 117
Well, he’s not in the race – YET – but Wes Clark certainly showed up for Ned.
mui @ 123
everhopeful @ 140
And as fast as the money race is going, and the media is narrowing on the front runners, he’d better get in now or there will be no “in” to get.
People ought to learn to read Lieberman’s constant comments about party switching for what they are — he is calling attention to himself for whatever needs his little ego requires.
Since the organizing resolution for this Congress is already approved, and no provisions for changing control are in it, a switch now would not accomplish much. Staff and Committee chairs are set fast till the next congress.
Joe knows how to calculate the odds that Republicans will win two additional seats in 2008,… currently pretty low, and he would not want to be in a minority with no chairmanship in the 3rd year of his current term. If he formally moved into the Republican Conference, that’s what would happen.
Should the Dems get some extra seats in 2008, he might find himself getting past over for something if he continues to play out this little act. Not his Chairmanship, but there are other perks the caucus has on offer.
Good news on the Tim Johnson front, one of his staffers was interviewed on Minnesota Public Radio (It serves a population center in SD) and he is making great progress, and may soon return for part time work. Also, he has told staff he plans to run for re-election, and wanted summer SD events scheduled.
ahh this post makes me say-
I love jane for so much more than Libby!!
Even if your point of view wasn’t so clear-your writing alone would win me……
bdu @ 142
Yeah, I’m getting pretty anxious about that myself – c’mon, Wes – please hurry up!
everhopeful @ 140
I kind of like Wes Clark. It’d be great if he could break this Hillary/Barack Obama arm wrestle.
Jane Hamsher @ 20
Yes, I guess I’m not a good enough person to feel sympathy for them today. They didn’t make much effort to point out the obvious contradictions between what Lieberman had done and said consistently before the election with what he said during it, and they’re clearly not making a point of asking why he’s gone back to doing precisely what any sapient being would have assumed he’d do after the election. If they’re angry at Joe they don’t have to lie or even stretch the truth to get back at him. Telling the truth will be enough, plus it would have the added attraction of being what their jobs supposedly require them to do.
Ok, can I ask a naïve but sincere question here:
How much “incompetence” will it take in the press to make you start to think its not really incompetence?
I mean, without donning the tinfoil hat, at what point do you stop attributing these “mistakes” and oversights to incompetence, and start suspecting that there is a systematic manipulation of information to produce a desired message?
It seems that if you continuously chalk up these things to stupidity or lazy reporting, you are in a way excusing this system for delivering these messages.
And we have seen in numerous instances, especially recently with the Libby trial, the depth of collusion between media and government.
And this case has been made, in such documentary works as Manufacturing Consent and Orwell Rolls in His grave, that the media industry does indeed have a very powerful interest in shaping what we see.
So as a first time poster but avid reader of FDL, I ask this very bright community why we, who are on the forefront of the populace in knowing the most intimate details of how this government has carried itself over the years, continue to chalk up these kind of “oh, whoops, I didn’t see that coming” kind of journalism to benign incompetence rather than to a coordinated system that prevents MSM media from actually probing these kind of issues and attempts to distract us from and obscure the truth.
Prof @ 25
The press is a huge part of the problem. The neocon ‘vast right-wing conspiracy’ has been laying the foundation for its emasculation for years, steadily hammering away at the laws that prevented ownership of too many outlets by a small number of entities. I am sure there are any number of good journalists out there who do know how the game should be played, but who are reduced to doing the job that they’re paid for.
dmac –
There are three populations to target:
1) Repubs who voted with Dems on the non-binding resolution — they need carrots to keep them with us. Send them some love and ask them to stay on this side of the vote, no need to be partisan.
2) Repubs who stay away or who were on the bubble for while, or are running for office. Hit ‘em. Hard. Make it clear that no decision is a decision too, and that when a majority doesn’t agree with remaining in Iraq, they need to recognize the will of the people. Democracy starts at home and all.
3) Repubs who voted against the non-binding resolution — and that arrogant f*ck Joe Lieberman. Hit them hardest. Tell them they are anti-democracy for failing to heed the will of the people, tell them they are going against the mainstream, against public opinion, and you hold them responsible for the continued deaths of troops and the failure to care for our troops. Nail them.
Yeah. And don’t forget to send some love to your own Dems.
Eli, did you forget to open and close some snark tags?
Looks more like I got namestolen.
[Mod Note; yep.]
everhopeful @ 146
Yes please! before Barbara Streisand & Co. give their money to Barack Obama.
Is there a petition to draft Wes?
Kathy @
137
One of the whose in the what now?
NotABigTruck @
149
I’m already there, and have been for quite some time now.
Pure speculation:
Al Gore gets up Sunday night to accept his Oscar for his winning documentary, and announces for President in 2008.
‘eh?
_
Thanks Eli.
That’s exactly what I thought.
Thanks Mods for being on top of that.
BobbyG @ 155
me gusta!
BobbyG @ 156
I kinda hope he doesn’t. I really do want him to announce, but doing it at the Oscars just seems kinda… tacky to me.
dmac @ 133
well, maybe therein lies the answer, who should we target with our mail??????????? where is a republican that may switch if he/she could do that? gotta be a few who are lookin’ at the other team and thinkin’ that they like the other team’s uniforms better. especially with what has gone on for the last few years….if i was a republican i would be sick at what has gone on, (too much to list), and would think twice about my alliances. and would be looking around for a way out.
so who are the possible switcheroos?
The Maine twins–Collins and Snowe–are the first in line. Hagel has hinted about runnning as an Independent, but I don’t think he’d make the big jump over to the blue side. Sununu has too much of a power base in the GOP and Voinavich just isn’t the type–he would have done it a long time ago when he was mayor of Cleveland. That probably leaves Specter as the third choice; I say I’d rather have him than Das Lieberboot.
I would think that this jury would want to think it over the weekend even if they were pretty sure of their decision. I think I would. Just to be clear about my own thought process. Of course, they may still be hashing facts but it wouldn’t surprise me if we get a verdict fairly early on Monday am
Frank Probst @
82
LOL! I can actually see some version of this happening. But more than likely, they are just now realizing how fascinating and complex this story has been. They have to take all of the pieces and reassemble it just like we have had to do in the past several years. There are some places where even I get lost. Like, when did Rove send the email that said he talked to Cooper but he thinks he did Ok? What was he trying to say? And what about them aspens? Maddening, Maddening!
rayne @150
There are three populations to target:
1) Repubs who voted with Dems on the non-binding resolution — they need carrots to keep them with us. Send them some love and ask them to stay on this side of the vote, no need to be partisan.
2) Repubs who stay away or who were on the bubble for while, or are running for office. Hit ‘em. Hard. Make it clear that no decision is a decision too, and that when a majority doesn’t agree with remaining in Iraq, they need to recognize the will of the people. Democracy starts at home and all.
3) Repubs who voted against the non-binding resolution — and that arrogant f*ck Joe Lieberman. Hit them hardest. Tell them they are anti-democracy for failing to heed the will of the people, tell them they are going against the mainstream, against public opinion, and you hold them responsible for the continued deaths of troops and the failure to care for our troops. Nail them.
Yeah. And don’t forget to send some love to your own Dems.
thanks rayne……….don’t have cspan anymore so didn’t get to watch the speeches, if i had, would have hand-picked a few…….still looking for someone who taped the speeches, anyone out there? will trade for homemade baked goods………am thinking about upping to high-speed, just recently available here, and could watch them from cspan archives……….watched cspan from its inception for years, even would tape stuff to watch later….i am the only person i know who actually watched cspan from when it started…even days when nothing was happening, it was happening….haven’t had cable for a few years and have only been back on ‘net for a few months……and found you all from a mention in achenblog on wapo……….((((fdl))))
thanks again…….am just getting my feet wet again and wondering which stroke to use when i dive into the water again……….your tips are exactly what i needed to start.
mui @ 154
I don’t know of any petition that’s got any kind of traction – there may be some out there…
But word is his decision is on the horizon – I’m thinking it’ll be within a couple of weeks – of course I thought that a couple weeks ago. I know he’s talking to donors – has been for a couple of months.
He seems to be working hard with VoteVets right now and StopIranWar – he’s sending out a lot of e-mails about it and he posted a diary at kos yesterday or the day before. And, of course, he’s always on the Hill, advising congressional dems on Iraq, Iran and foreign policy issues.
Wes has been saying he wants his voice heard on these issues right now, before everything he says is heard as being “political.”
Looking at Rory Kennedy on “Hardball”, “Ghosts of Abu Ghraib”. I’m liking what I’m hearing from this woman. I am impressed.
Gore/Clark in 2008.
kml @
122
More like Up The River Dance.
Hillary, Obama, Lieberman? No thanks.
froggermarch @
159
The Maine twins–Collins and Snowe–are the first in line. Hagel has hinted about runnning as an Independent, but I don’t think he’d make the big jump over to the blue side. Sununu has too much of a power base in the GOP and Voinavich just isn’t the type–he would have done it a long time ago when he was mayor of Cleveland. That probably leaves Specter as the third choice; I say I’d rather have him than Das Lieberboot.
Nahhh, they’re not going to switch. They all would have shown a lot more independence before now if they were vulnerable and I just see no evidence of that. i *could* see them forming a more moderate block as time goes on and challenging their leadership on the war issues. But they are Republicans for a reason. They had the help of the rich and well-connected to get elected and their goals have always been to dismantle the FDR New Deal. They aren’t going to switch.
at this juncture on a Friday afternoon is where I kick into a frenzy to catch up on a modicum of the work neglected throughout the week.
Does anyone know if any of the parties sought to have the jury sequestered during deliberations?
Being held in DC, I can only imagine it is highly profiled in the news media.
I am always puzzled at the white glove treatment jurors are given. It is every citizen’s duty to serve. The gov’t doesn’t bend over backward when there is a draft or at tax time.
new thread from Peterr
Eli @ 151
The other one doesn’t put in a URL, I notice. Also his writing voice is very different from yours.
And I actually have gotten some work done this week.
http://politicalinsider.com/20…..s_switch_w …
Lieberman Switch Wouldn’t Flip Senate
With Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) publicly stating he’d consider becoming a Republican if Democrats block new funding for the Iraq War, many Democrats worry that control of the Senate hangs in the balance. However, their fears are unfounded. Many think back to 2001 when former Sen. Jim Jeffords (I-VT) began caucusing with Democrats instead of Republicans, taking control of the Senate out of GOP hands. However, the two situations – though outwardly similar – contain one important difference.
If Lieberman were to caucus with the Republicans, they would still not take full control of the Senate, despite Vice President Dick Cheney’s ability to break 50-50 ties. This is because of a little-known Senate organizing resolution, passed in January, which gives Democrats control of the Senate and committee chairmanships until the beginning of the 111th Congress.
What’s the difference between now and 2001? A small but important distinction. When the 107th Congress was convened on January 3, 2001, Al Gore was still the Vice President and would be for another two-and-a-half weeks. Therefore, because of the Senate’s 50-50 tie, Democrats had nominal control of the chamber when the organizing resolution came to a vote. With Dick Cheney soon to come in, however, Democrats allowed Republicans to control the Senate in return for a provision on the organizing resolution that allowed for a reorganization of the chamber if any member should switch parties, which Jeffords did five months later. There was no such clause in the current Senate’s organizing resolution.
Perhaps it’s time we neuter the little runt, eh?
rayne @150
and…….forgot to add:
my best friend always told me-not making a choice IS making a choice.
ruffian @ 162
Especially since they know they’re going to be asked questions by the press – it’s always good to be clear about why you voted for what and be able to explain it.
In my one and only jury experience, we pretty much knew how we were going to vote at 4:45 and some wanted to get it over with right then and there – but the rest of us prevailed and we slept on it because the judge had told us when we got the case that it was the pretty normal in his courtroom for the lawyers to poll the jury on each count (we had 4) and it was also common for the lawyers to “lay in wait” for the jurors coming out of the courtroom after the verdict was rendered. It took about an hour the next morning to fill out the paperwork and call the bailiff but most of us felt more “prepared.”
Gore & Webb.
Jane, Pachacutec wrote yesterday how uncomfortable he is about people making heroes. Well, I thought about that. The fact is, most of us, and we’re not Joe 6-packs either, walk paths that don’t allow us to participate in the field. We may be naive, or out of the loop, or struggling with large families and no bread, or just plain clueless and timid. So when I watched your video last night with ew there was my answer, and the reason for the salutations from your readers which I thought odd when I first meandered down this way. You are heroes, all of you, and you had the courage and committment before most of us even knew much of anything; when it was cold out there and you needed guts. I’m certainly no sycopyhant, but I salute you all. You flourished in the fire of the forge: Jane! Christy! Marcy! And Pach!And Swopa, too!
Go get Holy Joe, Jane! it’s so great to read your posts….
thanks froggermarch for the names and thanks portia, for the ‘breaking down the new deal agenda’, i forgot about that……my historian uncle is a new deal democrat…….and proud of it…….that will help me in constructing my letters to them……thanks.
dab_from_CT @
108
She is not on the jury. I thought so, but wanted to confirm with my notes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 165
Tell me when you get the word. I’m in.
Rayne @
54
My Mother’s family is from Detroit. I have never met anyone from Michigan (or Chicago) that I didn’t really like.
You two ladies fit right in.
“The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”
The legend lives on from the bloggers on down
Of the counsel they call Pat Fitzgerald
The man, it is said, never gives up his quest
When the lies of Dick Cheney turn deadly.
With a load of the truth – a thousand reams more
Than the lies Libby’s counsel had mustered
Scooter’s fate it was sealed, and his falsehoods congealed
When the verdicts of ‘07 blustered.
The Fitz was the pride of the reality-based side
Coming down to D.C. from Chicago
As special counsel go he was better than most
With a team of assistants well seasoned.
The posts on the blogs made a tattletale sound
As the alibis broke under pressure
And each juror knew, as did Wells’s desk, too
T’was the sound of Scoot’s fate in the thresher.
The verdict came late; the champagne had to wait
When the jury returned with truth slashing
When he hung his head down, the pundits’ sagged too
In the face of their prestige’s sad bashing.
When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck
Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya”
That evening it was, a main loophole caved in
Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”
The RNC wired in they had polls falling in
And the fate of the party in peril
By ‘08 it was, all the rats had jumped ship
‘Twas the triumph of Patrick Fitzgerald.
Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the lies are revealed to the jury
The old Media say he’d have skated away
If the GJ weren’t all from Missouri.
Old Libby might have rolled or he might have been pardoned
He might have dragged Rove under the waters,
But now all that remains is the rusty old chains
Of the gang of the neocon rotters.
The Atlantic rolls, the Pacific rolls too
As our Nation returns to its meaning
We don’t mourn for what near dragged our fair land to dust
As we honor our old Constitution.
In Independence Hall down in Philly they cheered
And they rang bells in our National Cathedral
It took more than an hour but each convict got gonged
‘Twas the triumph of Patrick Fitzgerald.
Oh the legend lives on from the bloggers on down
Of the counsel they call Pat Fitzgerald
The man, it is said, never gives up his quest
When the lies of Dick Cheney turn deadly.
S.O.S. at 187 – Wow! I really like it. Props to Wolverine also. Now who can we get to record it for a U-Tube video?
SOS in MA,
That is awesome. Can someone do what OhioBlue suggested?
hesikastor @
176
Hesikastor,
I think I know why we(as I have been part of it) do it. It’s because there are a lack of true heroes. Feingold is a hero, but he doesn’t have the stage to take it nationwide. We are in a struggle, a struggle for the soul of this nation. Smirk, Shooter and the rest of the NeoCon set are ruining this country, and we have to take it back, even one step at a time. Fitz-mas(provided that Libby is found guilty) is only one small step in reclaiming our country.
portia.vz @
168
Nahhh, they’re not going to switch. They all would have shown a lot more independence before now if they were vulnerable and I just see no evidence of that. i *could* see them forming a more moderate block as time goes on and challenging their leadership on the war issues. But they are Republicans for a reason. They had the help of the rich and well-connected to get elected and their goals have always been to dismantle the FDR New Deal. They aren’t going to switch.
Specter would never switch. He was once a Dem who went over to the dark side. Besides, he has been too much of a Smirk(and Abu Gonzales) enabler.
spurious @
149
People like Timmeh!! aren’t NeoCon’s as much as too in love with the status they’ve gained. They have traded access for honest reporting. They are too in love with the lifestyle they lead. They have sold out their readers or viewers.
Does Lieberschmuck floss? I mean, floss between that chin thing he’s got.
Okay! Here’s my theory on the jury taking this time. And it’s not good for the Libster.
Clearly any organized foreperson would have seen that the first thing to do would be to start off with asessing the issue that could throw out all the charges. These were Well’s two big points…the Memory Defense and Jury Nullification (and the subtextual~ “she wasn’t covert” stuff that Toensig tried to taint the jury with) based on Libby being a sympathetic figure that Well’s cried about.
These issues would have thrown out ALL the charges if any member of the jury thought there was merit to them. pretty much these issues would have been dealt with in a day at most. Since the jury is still evaluating the evidence (with the charts and stiuck’ems no less) it’s clear that they are now down to “brass tacks” and weighing each and every individual charge and the integration of the witnesses testimony.
That’s NOT good news for Libby’s team since it means that the two big elements in their defense are finito. But there is still a chance that one or two charges may not be upheld. But it seems that most of them seem to have already won over most of the jury.
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Senator Lieberman
Message text follows:
February 23, 2007
What happened to that kind and intensely intelligent Senator that was at
the top of his game?
Whatever it was, you are, clearly, no longer that person that rang so
clearly for so many people.
Please. Please. Stop screwing around as a potential power broker. It is
far beneath your spirit to engage the way you have recently.
A good therapist will tell you that anger is seldom an effective
motivator. Something about loss of balance.
Come back to yourself. Hadassah will love AND respect you for it. As
will millions of Americans.
Every time you speak in public, some young voter is going to be calling
you out. Eventually, you will take the time to answer them. They are not
your enemy. They are your constituents. They are vastly more real than
the main street media, who just want to be next to you.
Shalom,
Dickey Weinkle
Lieberman is a Jew first and an American second.
Liebermans first loyalty is to the failed state of Israel.
Lieberman and all of the other USA Jews who put the failed state of Israel ahead of our country should be stripped of their US citizenship and deported to Israel where they can torture and kill Muslims with impunity.
davr @
191
I just read some poll somewhere that said the 71% of Jewish Americans want the US out of the Middle East, especially US troops to withdraw from Iraq. Just shows that Liberdick is not only out of touch with his constituents but also with those who share his religious and cultural affiliation. Droopy Joe is really a sad sack.
You guy dumped on Lieberman and are now finding that the guy has the power and political skills that come from so many years in office.
After reading all of the comments I notice that the blame falls everywhere but here. Just keep driving the undecideds and middle of the roaders to the GOP tent.
Way to go TEAM.