
Not today.
*sigh*
Oh well, that gives us all more time to prepare.
For weeks, people have talked about how to celebrate, if and when Scooter is found guilty. Lots of folks have laid in mounds of popcorn, and others have spoken of the beverages they have made sure to have on hand and the feasts and parties to be dived into. Snoopy dances have been practiced, and snark has been prepared.
Now that it's almost here, are you really ready?
Perhaps we need to take a lesson from the Germans, and last summer's World Cup soccer tournament: boisterous nationwide celebrations that have been anticipated for months or even years have a way of developing a life of their own. Literally.
During June and July of last year, the eyes of the world turned to Germany for soccer's World Cup. At the end of the monthlong, nationwide party, the host Germans took third, the French were second, and Italy claimed the championship. In the words of Dr. Rolfe Kilche of Kassel, in the German state of Hesse, however, things didn't end with the Italian victory: "The excitement of the soccer games apparently lingered on and got chanelled elsewhere after the final whistle."
Ahem.
Enrollment in prenatal birth classes is up in Germany, and births are predicted to be up from 10 to 15 percent. Hospitals are adding beds during April to accomodate the rush. Baby name experts are predicting that the favorite names for these newborns will incude Bastian, Jens, and Lukas, in honor of three of the big names on the field.
As Toma Tasovac of Deutsche Welle described it,
The German language — normally an incredibly analytical tool for expressing profound thoughts on 'being-there-in-the-world' and existential angst — is a little sloppy as far as sex and soccer are concerned. If you grow up using the same word — Vorspiel — to describe a curtain-raiser and foreplay, you are practically destined to think that the World Cup was nothing less that a preparation for an altogether different ball game.
So it happened. The Germans let loose. Eventually, they didn't win the World Cup, but they decided to bare it all anyway. And have fun like there was no tomorrow.
Everybody did it in his or her own way. Within 90 minutes of the first match Germany played, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, for example, went from being the queen of lifeless frowning to the people's princess of boundless jubilation.
The rest of the country, apparently, watched, cheered and then got busy in the sack.
I offer this as a public service announcement, in view of the great, years-long buildup to the Libby Trial and the anticipation and excitement surrounding the jury deliberations.
For those who are looking to become pregnant, especially those who are having trouble conceiving, a guilty verdict could make this a great time to take that lingering excitement and channel it elsewhere. "The attitude to one's own body and the role of the hormones are often underestimated. If you're in a good mood, you are more likely to get pregnant," says Dr. Kilche.
To those looking to avoid becoming pregnant, however, let this be a warning. You might want to add something else to your shopping list besides popcorn and festive beverages. Your neighborhood Planned Parenthood clinic or friendly OB/GYN might have a few suggestions.
To those more interested in money rather than sex, well, you can always seek out forward-looking companies in the maternity-industrial complex. For example, last year an English baby products company named "Mamas & Papas" did careful research on the correlation of birth rates and the success or failure of the English soccer team, and based on the three English victories in the 2006 World Cup, they ramped up their production of strollers and such to be ready for an increased demand.
Whether you're in it for the sex, the money, the party, or just the plain old "saving the Constitution" thing, be prepared to keep your celebration safe, in every sense of the word.
And let me be the first to predict that if Scooter is found guilty, there will be a rise nine months from now in the number of babies named Patrick and Reggie, and a decline in the number of Irvings. At least in progressive households.
(h/t to AP/Jan Bauer for the photo, and Hill Street Blues Sgt. Phil Esterhaus for the title)




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Fitz!
Well, I’ll take it if nobody else has – FITZ!
Oh my stars. A Zed.
Is this a first for a lurker?
Bah, I’m into gloom and doom. Going home for the weekend is going to expose the jury to yet more MSM tampering. I hear that Toensing is going to be temporily in charge of all the major networks, in case the Wapo wasn’t enough.
Great title Peterr, I assume you got it from Hill Street Blues.
Ausgezeichnet, Fraulein Hilde!
Hilde with an e @
2
Congrats! Don’t know about the “first for a lurker” part, though.
Pour yourself a festive beverage and celebrate it!
John Casper @ 4
Absolutely – check the fine print above.
Hilde with an e @ 2
Ding ding ding!
We have a winner.
Congratulations.
You realize, this means we are counting on you to comment often?
Contest! Find any other instance where a lurker got the zed. [Not you Hilde, you may rest on your laurels.]
Zed = Z, stands for Zero. If you
comment as soon as the post goes up, you get a zero rather than a one. It is one of the great mysteries of the universe.
The horse has left the barn, those who oppose this word will have go to chasing after the horse.
Congratulations, Hilde :)
Oh my stars in all universes, evil, parallel and otherwise.
A ripe opportunity to offer my gratitude to FDL, {{{JaneChristyEWSwopaPachLHPJeralynandMODSandPUPS}}} for your fine and tenacious work covering this trial.
It’s riveting. And, to use Jon Stewart’s proclamation, “you’re healing our country”.
Returning to DeLurkVille with thanks…
Peter,
I didn’t think you had this in you. Great “uplifting” humor to begin a long weekend’s wait. Thanks for the laughs.
This may sound tin-foilish, but:
What prevents people with keen interest in a trial result from doing a Mr. Slugworth and sneakily offering jurists a prize for voting in their favor?
I suppose the possibility of being revealed by the bribee is one hindrance, but…
Any Grishamites out there care to comment?
The feeling in this house is that pro-sports has become at least as corrupt as Republican politics.
How do I search FDL for the beverage recipe I concocted?
IIRC, I named it Fitzgeralds Hammer of Justice or some such thing.
RevDeb @ 11
We aim to please.
When I saw the article in Der Spiegel, I just couldn’t resist.
I think I found it BRB, Google is my friend.
Busted,
It’s on this thread #6
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-in-vegas/
With the pronouncement of no verdict, all my energy just fizzled out. Apparently I’ve been holding onto some high intensity for the last several days :)
Now what? [Always the urgent question for someone with OCD. It’s why the worse off among us create the elaborate rituals. It answers the question What next.]
Apparently I can…rest. Relax. Re-create. I don’t know how. Will give it a try. New lands to conquer and all that.
Oh, and Christy’s admonition that you might be the person who is called upon to be the hero, to do what is important? The stuff of dreams and nightmares for me. I have tried. Now I must rest, to prepare for the next battle.
Too funny. Forewarned is forearmed.
So Plame House is actually a condom-inium?
Was the liveblogging from Section “C” of the courthouse?
They certainly seemed fixated on the oral arguments.
Hilde w/ an E
Thats not the recipe.
IIRC It had Crown Royal and something else.
Here you go, Busted!
1 shot 151 rum
1 shot Grenadine
1 shot Crown Royal (you can substitute John Jameson’s Irish whiskey for the Crown Royal — he’s fighting against the monarchy after all.)
orange juice to taste served over crushed ice with a pillow on the side.
When you are good and hammered, use the pillow.
egregious,
What’s next? Whichever foot is behind me is the next one I’ll put in front of me so I can move forward and fulfill dreams and do good things :-)
While the wait continues.
If we’re still waiting this time next Friday, I’ll be concerned. Otherwise, I wish for a wonderful, relaxed and/or productive weekend for the jury, for all you pups, and for once, just this one goddamned weekend please, peace and safety in Iraq, in New Orleans, in Darfur… oh hell, in all the world.
Word has it…..
The jury in the Libby case is 11-1 and the holdout is the juror that was Bob Woodwards former press assistant. Still trying to confirm through another source, but that seems to be what’s floating around at the moment.
Busted, you’re right. I didn’t read far enough. I’m getting sloppy in my older years.
Peterr, thanks for the post. Alas, I’m struggling to relate since the only pro sport I really follow allows time for sex during the game and still have 6-7 innings left to enjoy :-)
Thank you so much Peterr. You da man.
libby=John Malkovich
cheney=Benny Hill
A book for your perusal
Watsons Dictionary of Weasel Words.
Contemporary Cliches,Cant and Management Jargon
by Don Watson.
Published 2004.
Knopf.
ISBN 1 74051 321 5.
Andrew @ 24
Ask Bob Novak. I’m sure he’ll tell you. Or maybe Karl Rove.
I left work at 3:00 and my BATTERY WAS DEAD!!
I just got home. I, for one, am glad it didn’t happen while I was mechanically declined. I want to be here when it happens!
woot woot
how many German kids will be named Zinedine, I wonder?
Andrew @ 25
And who would know this? The jury can’t talk about it, and anyone else would have Walton (and Fitz?) after them.
Peterr @ 29
Time will tell Peterr. Time will tell.
*Groan* Froggermarch. You are trying to out Punaise Punaise.
Andrew @
25
Link? Source?
punaise @ 30
The same as the number of kids named Benedict in the US in late 1700s, I’m guessing.
Andrew @ 25
Andrew, Where does that “word” come from, or are you being funny?
(I’m pretty keyed up this week, so I don’t know what is humor and what is real…)
How did you find that Peterr?
Google got close, but I have never, ever had the FDL search function find anything.
Andrew, this is a Federal case. That comment could get the FBI asking FDL for your email so they can have a little chat with you.
Gnome de Plume @ 33
Three . . .
Two . . .
One . . .
OT–
well, no suprise at all here ;(
The United States on Friday rejected an international call to abandon the use of cluster bombs, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/U…..32007.html
leader of the free world, compassionate and all that.
ptooey.
Word has it… that Andrew is full of it.
Bustednuckles @ 37
I think the FDL search function is best used for searching within the primary posts.
When I look for something out of the comments, I search with Google starting with “site:firedoglake.com” and then a couple of good search terms. For this, I used “bustedknuckles” and “Hammer of Justice” which found someone else’s commment quoting the recipe.
If there’s a hung jury, think Fitzgerald will seek another trial?
Would we actually be able to detect a decline in the number of babies named Irving?
Do we know this already?
One of the few reporters whose notes were not dissected in the Libby trial was Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward. He spoke confidently about what he learned about Plame and when he learned it.
He had taped his interview.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..-Notes.php
*xyz @ 42
OK for word to be out, a jurer has to be talking and that would be so wrong…however. for Libby team to be saying such stuff would just be so in character….
FDL is your number one source for news. Tune in daily for the real news and forget the teevee networks – they belongs to the Fascisti. I was wrong about the three days. My new guess is Tuesday afternoon for a guilty verdict.
People, no one — and I mean NO ONE — outside the jury room will know anything about the jury. Period. No one from Judge Walton’s staff or anyone in the courthouse will be talking about anything they hear with any level of credibility — because, if they did, the Judge would haul their butts in for a contempt hearing. Because the jury process is supposed to be inviolate. And if — and I stress IF — the jury were to be hung at any point, the Judge would bring them back in on the record in open court for a discussion on the record about the importance of workinghard to render a fair and just verdict and then woudl send them back into the jury room to deliberate further.
So, sorry, I’m not buying some random rumor on a Friday.
Ahh, Thanks!
Site: Firedoglake .com seems to be the key.
The source is former whistle blower Tom Henegan.
I’ve been picking my husband’s brain as to what could be going on with the jury taking more time than we had hoped. A few years back he was the foreman for a jury charged with deciding the fate in a criminal drug case.
He said that what would happen is that the jury would move through the various charges, and as they did, jurors who had once been decided one way would change their stance for one charge as the pros and cons were weighed for the others. As exasperating as it may seem to us I think it’s a good sign that the jurors are being systematic. Also, he said there was one juror who just wanted a guilty verdict so he could get the trial over and done with. Eventually the rest of the jurors convinced this guy that they had to think the charges through and answer the judge on all counts. They kept taking votes until they could go back to the judge. All I’m saying is that it takes work sometimes to keep the group in order, and I’m hopeful that’s what’s happening here.
Gnome de Plume @ 34
Even Mozart had his Saliere. Such is my curse.
Seriously OfT
Girl Scouts Cut Trans Fats From Cookies
Crap. I’m going off on vacation next week and now I’ll be glued to the tube instead of hanging out at the beach. Well, maybe not…………!!!
I sense incoming….
Ducking out to actually work for a minute.
Talking about soccer, check out this picture of David Deckham and Owen Hargreaves. The title of the post should give you an idea of what to expect:
Beckham and Hargreaves’ Brokeback Mountain Moment
Note: it is a clean picture, just sorta caugh them in a funny moment
and he would know how?
Andrew @ 51
John Casper @ 38
Thank you John Casper.
Seems to me that that the only options are guilty, not giulty and hung jury. I am hardly naive enough to think anyone has the inside track on what the Libby jury is doing.
Hey, I checked out Tom Henegan’s website. The juror thing is posted there. The website also reports that “BUSH SECRETLY PERMITTED
QUEEN OF ENGLAND TO STEAL U.S. GOLD” and “More Satanic Worshipping in Vatican Verified“.
I’m not kidding.
Here’s a link (but don’t give them the traffic unless you absolutely must):
http://www.cloakanddagger DOT de
Peterr @
29
If this so-called leak had any credence, I would say that it would be grounds for an immediate mistrial.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
I suspect it would depend on the vote. If it was 11-1 to convict, yeah, he’d refile. I was buoyed by some comments from trial lawyers and people who had been on juries, about the time it normally takes a jury to reach a verdict.
Andrew @ 62
I’ve never seen so much tinfoil in one place.
Celebration song: We Will Rock You! by Queen
FREDDY ROOLZ!
VictorM @ 55
If you bring your camera to enough soccer games, you find plenty of fun moments like this. Thanks for the laugh!
Andrew @ 51
Oh, Well then. Tom freakin’ Henegan. Looks like it’s all over, then.
Ted Wells, you gotcha some Scooter back, I guess. Nice try and all, guys. Tom Henegan told somebody that the jury is hung at 11-1. He’s a goddam whistleblower you know. There goes my weekend. Nice post, Peterr—just bad fucking timing. Better do a sad post now.
Tom Henegan. Shit.
Andrew @62,
You have got to be kidding!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 48
Thanks Christy, I took a cruise to Wingnuttia today, and they are starting to worry. I am sure that they are up to dirty tricks so thanks for calling them out. lolo
*xyz @ 65
Andrew, a career in stand-up is not recommended.
_
And Peterr — great post. :)
Sign O the Times
froggermarch at 3:50 pm
Thanks, very well executed, lmao.
Say, for the sake of discussion, if there is a refiling subsequent to hung jury, would this be an advantage for Libby?
Well, the jury is probably going through charge by charge.
My mental barometer has Libby convicted on at least two counts and acquitted on a few.
Hung on none.
-GSD
As far as Tom Henegen and his little ‘inside source’ , I suggest take it with a grain of salt.
Remember, Bush supposedly had an inside source as to WMD in Iraq, and that turned out to be utter bullshit.
Use some common sense. The site which XYZ found the rumor on was filled with other crocks of shit news stories. Judging an article by its words it good, but let’s also judge the source by its other stories as well.
The beauty of the jury taking so long is that they can only come to one conclusion if they chart it out: Libby lied!
Andrew @ 25
Gee, Andrew. I think Walton & Fitz should know about this. What do you think?????
Any of the prosecutors here know what the process is to get this information to the right people?
When you use “Quote this Comment”, you really make it harder on the mods to clean up.
*xyz at 3:48 pm
LMAO.
Sorry, RBG – I wasn’t thinking
just had a minor earthquake here in the East Bay: 3.4
What if the jury comes back and instead of Valentine shirts they are all wearing aluminum hats?
-GSD
But, but he’s got a pretty cool Myspace page… he’s straight, in a relationship and he’s a Pices!
http://www.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel
Maybe this has already been posted, but speaking of Germany, here is a nice photo from their Rose Parade…looks like Bush is going to get detention after class.
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/07…..0202191246
Out of curiousity, does anyone know if Fitz has ever lost a major case?
Do you think the president will pardon Scooter? {ducking behind the couch}
peterr!!!
As some of you know i live in Deutschland, and was aware of the 15% spike in birth rate 9 months after the amazing Weltmeisterschaft party. But to see this as an anticipation thread to the FDL Fitz circus… boggles the mind, and shows some possible lessons.
I was here for the ride through the World Cup, and i could not believe how mere soccer games cut through the psychology of the German people. They would never put flags on their terraces, and excoriated amurkans for their commercial patriotism.
And then suddenly the entire country was alive with joy, that they were putting on the best World Cup show ever, and at the same time playing above their game. i can only say the demonstrative social feeling, the daily bubbling joy, Der Zeitgiest, was so contagious.
Of course the human reaction was a bit more sex, and perhaps even better sex. Joy Frees!. That’s what has been taken from the amurkan people. Joy and Freedom. Life. And now we have fight against horror instead of a life of human enjoyment?
There is no joy where a fragile human must close off life to hide the innumerable horrors being perpetrated in our name, with our tax dollars. To think of the amalgamated lies spread through a media which doesn’t deserve the traditional word Press, to think of torture as a technique, to think of shock and awe as diplomacy, is in a word culturally debllitating.
No one knows that like today’s German people. No one better understands the unleashed horror of the 3rd Reich than today’s Germany. And they recreated themselves, toward something shining as a model of our potential future.
But to watch the awakening that one can be so proud of having overcome such a horror by building the strongest sustainable economy in the world, METAPHORED by the World Cup celebrations, was as enlightening as if i sat in a stadium skybox with MLK, Gandhi and the Dalai Lama.
During the uncommonly sunny four weeks of the tournament (completely out of character for here, as if the gods were laughing), the mood was a nationwide Woodstock.
Are there enough people in amurka ready to accept the challenge of what Germany overcame? They went from the demons of the world to the world leader in sustainable economy. Are the people in amurka mature enough to take the hard road to bring back the shining, world-respected entrepreneurial democracy that once was a vision of America?
Eye would like to think that the guilty verdict on all five counts will lead not only to fevered celebration amongst the yearning Pups (and corresponding vibrant babies to come), but a realization that the work is only beginning. There is so much to overturn… if you want to experience the joy of Germany being able to smile at itself for the first time in so many decades.
Thanks, peterr, brilliant catch.
yup!Felt it as well…just a minor wake-up call.
Hilde–
I think it’s fair to refer to you now as a former lurker! Don’t look back now. You keep bringin’ that sass to the table.
“Meanwhile Bush and Cheney are still in the Whitehouse and the war looks to be going their way.”
Funny how most Republicans consider increased US troop deaths to be a sign of success.
-GSD
Hilde with an e @ 86
I too now have a myspace page. Feel faintly ridiculous about it, but, whatever.
Oh gawd. Another of my party’s leaders is going to be on “Hardball”. Joe Biden. Again. Mute.
I just came home from the (locally owned homegrown) bookstore with Anatomy of Deceit. Thanks Marcy. I love the cover, too.
Gonna go find me a new pillow to test drive, right after I hit the likker store for Hammer supplies.
I got faith.
Mary Jo White, the former U.S. attorney who was Fitzgerald’s boss in the Southern District, recommended him for his current assignment as U.S. attorney in Chicago.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8599914/site/newsweek
boondoggle?
BobbyG,
Did you put the word out today hinting that the jury is split 11-1 with the former Booby intern dude as the hold out?
No?
Then Yourspace page is very cool. :-)
Obama on Dick:
“Now, keep in mind, this is the same guy that said we’d be greeted as liberators, the same guy that said that we’re in the last throes. I’m sure he forecast sun today,” Obama said to laughter from supporters holding campaign signs over the heads to keep dry. “When Dick Cheney says it’s a good thing, you know that you’ve probably got some big problems.”
-GSD
Crazy Horse -
The Kid (age 4.5 at the time) and I went to a local German pub to watch several of the matches, then came home and he wanted to go outside and learn how to play soccer. He was quite impressed when I pulled out my old “Franz Beckenbauer” cleats. “Did you ever play in the world cup, daddy?”
Best laugh I had all summer.
Andrew @
25
Having served on a jury (murder, 1st degree), I don’t believe that anyone outside that jury room has any such knowledge. We had pretty well agreed on a verdict, but rather than be pushed to meet a 5:30 deadline, we decided to come back the next day to double check our thinking and render the verdict. Someone earlier said that the jury would use up the entire day rather than give the verdict early. That was not our experience. We came back in the morning, asked for some testimony to be read back and rendered our verdict at noon.
I have been an active lurker and donate button pusher. Will there be enough money left in the Plame House account to allow for a field trip to the St. Regis for coffee (or tea).
I really enjoy following the comments and I feel like I know so many of you. And I would like to have Peterr and/or RevDeb as my pastor(s).
It will not be an easy weekend for the jury, but I really trust in the system.
Bustednuckles @ 96
Bless you, my son.
People, see Christy Hardin Smith #49.
Gawd, are you suckers that bone-headed to follow any sort of rumor that the jury has leaked?
Let’s give a little credit to the system and suspend dis-belief (that the system is so corrupt that in a trial of this magnitude a jury leak could occur).
Mix yourselves a stiff drink or three, and come back Monday.
That said, I’m glad they haven’t reached a verdict yet. Now at least I’m cool for the weekend in Reno with my wife, and I can take a break from snorting FDL all day and nite long.
Christy, Jane, Marcy, thanks again for your spectacular and heroic work.
Peterr’s right: let’s be careful.
SEE YA MONDAY, BRIGHT AND EARLY!
Been a long time. Thanks Peterr.
No Kibbles today, sorry.
Madness, madness, madness.
Hilde with an e @ 100
Funny MySpace story: A number of my nephews and nieces have MySpace pages, and we’ve linked up. But, one who I’ve not seen in quite a few years is now a teenager in the DC area. She kept ignoring my “friends” invites, and finally went to her dad with a concern about this older dude BobbyG who might be a perv/pedo stalker. LOL!! when my brother-in-law Jerry saw my page, he cracked up. ‘Oh, gawd, that’s just your Uncle Bobby…’
Good that she’s aware, though. Lotta slimy stuff out there.
_
Who will be the first RW Media Pundit this weekend to say that the stock market will take a hit if a guilty verdict is rendered in the Scooter Pooter? Or did one of the rodeo clowns say it already?
Ha! I think I will be the only person on the board who will celebrate by moving to Kassel, Germany…
although, not for a few months.
WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney refused Friday to take back his charge that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s opposition to President Bush’s Iraq war buildup is playing into the hands of the al-Qaida terrorist network.
froggermarch @ 94
Mighty kind of you frogger, but I’m truly not worthy. Oh sure, I have moments of sass and brilliance, but I’m far too slow for this crowd. Sometimes I feel like I did as a small child at the beach, running after the big kids as they scattered into the dunes, while I waved and screamed “Wait for me!”.
Alas, I’m in prep for a super-fabu colonoscopy tomorrow morning so must run (yeah, that’s my weak-ass pun). I’ll catch up tomorrow night when I open the Pull Up A Chair thread, print it out and snuggle up to the warmth.
Adios!
Here is a little site about Pat’s trip to Ireland in 2001. There is also a pic if you click on the link over there.
snip
Pat and his brother John loved sausages and rashers. I remember us going down to the shops to keep them supplied, she says.
They were great fellas. Pat was always very bright, but even when he was making it big as an attorney, you’d never think it about him, he was always so easy going. There was never any bull, she said.
Patrick and John took up the accordion and visited Kilmaley on their way to compete in the Irish national traditional music championships in Buncrana, Co. Donegal.
Pat was very young at that stage, probably only 13, but they were willing to travel, they loved the music, says Mary.
When he visited, young Pat played the accordion at Carney’s in Connolly village, to the west of Kilmaley. He also chatted with locals at the Kilmaley Inn, showing an acute interest in his family history.
When he left high school, Pat worked as a doorman, like his father. During the way, he called cabs for the wealthy elite of Manhattan’s Upper East Side. At night, he studied law, eventually becoming a New York federal prosecutor.
When it was time to take over the Chicago office in 2001, he first went to Kilmaley to get away from it all.
He went down to the Kilmaley Inn and met the locals again, and traveled to the trad music town of Doolin before visiting his mother’s family in Feakle.
He also visited Gerald Horgan, his cousin in Dingle, Co. Kerry who shared the pony ride all those years ago.
Mary Downes continues to keep the clippings and sees cousin Pat on the Irish main evening news many nights.
I had him taped the other night, she says. It was on the same tape as Fair City, the soap opera. But I think Pat’s case is just a lot more important. It won’t be taped over!?
http://www.dingle-region.com/sppatrick.htm
“Did you ever play in the World Cup, daddy?”
Well, no… but i posted at the World Cup of the reformation of journalism! With sharpened cleats!
Once again, nice catch, peterr. You can’t believe how good it was here. And how much amurka has to learn from the reformation of Germany.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 109
The Penguin don’t take nothin’ back. He just hauls in his boatload of money every fifteen seconds.
m-EastBay @ 90
Mother Nature’s equivalent of a Friday afternoon news dump
I wish I knew Pat then. I was an Irish step dancer, my brother played the accordian, my sister the drum and my best girlfriend was a bagpiper. I took lessons for about 5 years and used to compete in New York & Jersey.
No scooters for any of your kids’ birthday or holiday presents.
My brother-in-law went to a special high-school for really smart kids with Fitz (Fitz was a few years ahead) He said Fitz was very athletic and the same down-to-earth guy he is today.
sticky @ 109
Back in the day, that’s where I was an exchange student – went to the Goetheschule. Enjoy!
Basically, the reason I would like to see a Libby conviction can be summed up in three very simple words. Cheney, Rove, Bush.
Judith knows but won’t tell!
Peterr @
29
I think my wife and I celebrated early.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
You got that right! :) Sho’ got that right.
Who are the top three pig-headed American politicians in my book? Bush, Cheney, and Hillary.
Suggestion: while you are waiting to press the refresh button, play kittenwar.com on another window. It Stephen Colbert’s favorite website.
Meanwhile, back in empireland, we’re to attack iran but apparently we have absolutely no idea where their WMDs are…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..itary_dc_2
Can these people do ANYTHING right?
dab_from_CT @ 117
St. Regis?
good lord. weird buzzing sounds coming through my dental work. someone is broadcasting loud and clear.
anna.nicole.smith.to.be.buried.next.to.nixon.
Plea for help – is there a transcript online anywhere of the press conference Fitz held to announce Libby’s indictment?
Looking at Gov. Jane Napolitano (D-Az) commenting on woman governors on “Hardball”. Well… we now have a woman Democratic Lt. Gov. working with a Demo Guv here in Oklahoma. We’re making headway.
chaboard @ 128
Crooks and Liars has it and so does the fake fitz blog
Crazy Horse-
I traveled to Munich a few years ago with a family member who was seeking medical care there.
Honestly, I was in awe. The hospital had a green roof, the surgeon rode his bike to work that day, and the feel of the Bogenhausen neighborhood where we stayed was very interesting.
I would love to get back there…speaking more German this time!
Nevermind my comment at #128. I found it.
peterr:
this is one of my favorite posts…………..
you rule
sociological and panoramic, accurately describing a pantheon, a paradigm, a paradox……..and the word i was going to use before i looked it up in the ‘p’s of the dictionary and found all the other ‘p’ words,-paradoxical. a word i love, but wanted to make sure the meaning was what i thought——it is——paradoxical, everyone should use it…………you are it.
you are parrallactic.
get out your dictionary! it’s a good thing. keep it right next to the blood pressure cuff and your coffee cup……..while waiting on the jury.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
and later; He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
T. Jefferson
Ron Christie on “Hardball” now. I absolutely cannot listen to this man.
1,436 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo and the Firepup Patriots:
“Who are the top three pig headed American politicians in my book?
Bush, Cheney and Hillary”
I’m afraid you are bein far too disrespectful of pigs and far too charitable ta Bush and Cheney…as for Mrs. Clinton, she is simply a character we have seen over and over again in American history. She aspires to get her family into the oligarchy and she is willin’ ta do anythin, say anythin’ and fuck anybody including the American people ta get there.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T FORGET THAT THE LESSER OF EVILS IS STILL EVIL!!
what I don’t understand is why cheney isn’t compared to al caca? Why not say “Cheney’s is in league with Bin Laden, and has always been a great friend of Saddam Hussein” what the hell is wrong with the truth pointed back in his direction?
Hiya Norske!
Be glad you’re not here tonight in tornado ally. We have super-cell activity to look forward tonight. Not much sleep tonight.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 136
;0)
oldtree @ 137
Right. In previous times Dick railed against sanctions against Saddam so’s he could do business with him. That’s a fact.
EPU’d from prev thread:
—————
“The Wrath of Big Patrick Fitzgerald”
The legend lives on from the bloggers on down
Of the counsel they call Pat Fitzgerald
The man, it is said, never gives up his quest
When the lies of Dick Cheney turn deadly.
With a load of the truth – a thousand reams more
Than the lies Libby’s counsel had mustered
Scooter’s fate it was sealed, and his falsehoods congealed
When the verdicts of ‘07 blustered.
The Fitz was the pride of the reality-based side
Coming down to D.C. from Chicago
As special counsel go he was better than most
With a team of assistants well seasoned.
The posts on the blogs made a tattletale sound
As the alibis broke under pressure
And each juror knew, as did Wells’s desk, too
T’was the sound of Scoot’s fate in the thresher.
The verdict came late; the champagne had to wait
When the jury returned with truth slashing
When he hung his head down, the pundits’ sagged too
In the face of their prestige’s sad bashing.
When pardon he sought his old boss came on deck
Saying “Scooter, it’s too rough to save ya”
That evening it was, a main loophole caved in
Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”
The RNC wired in they had polls falling in
And the fate of the party in peril
By ‘08 it was, all the rats had jumped ship
‘Twas the triumph of Patrick Fitzgerald.
Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the lies are revealed to the jury
The old Media say he’d have skated away
If the GJ weren’t all from Missouri.
Old Libby might have rolled or he might have been pardoned
He might have dragged Rove under the waters,
But now all that remains is the rusty old chains
Of the gang of the neocon rotters.
The Atlantic rolls, the Pacific rolls too
As our Nation returns to its meaning
We don’t mourn for what near dragged our fair land to dust
As we honor our old Constitution.
In Independence Hall down in Philly they cheered
And they rang bells in our National Cathedral
It took more than an hour but each convict got gonged
‘Twas the triumph of Patrick Fitzgerald.
Oh the legend lives on from the bloggers on down
Of the counsel they call Pat Fitzgerald
The man, it is said, never gives up his quest
When the lies of Dick Cheney turn deadly.
oldtree– our leaders (past and present) including Cheney, are more than a lot responsible for all the ‘evils’ they are fighting and have executed.
I am with you on this; until and unless we recognize our role in the ‘evil’, we will continue on this same bloody path.
I quite often think that their plan is to continue to ignore these facts and create more enemies so that we can continue down this blood-drenched path until we occupy all the rich lands while keeping the American people in fear.
be safe OK and all others in the tornado and earthquake areas.
I salute all of you who have been reporting on the Libby trial. You have been GREAT. I’m so disgusted with the MSM. I was in the courtroom on Tues, maybe one of the few truly members of the public. (I’m not a lawyer, I’m not a member of the media).
I remember clearly the Watergate hearings. I was a graduate student then, and obstensively working on my thesis. But I recall listening for hours (we didn’t have a TV then), fascinated. What’s happeniing right now has much broader ramifications than Watergate. America needs much more than a wake-up call. Thank you to all all of you who have made sense of these proceedings and who have kept all of us up to date on what’s happening.
1,436 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ JEST GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Bustedknuckles and the Firepup Patriots:
Yo brother, nice ta hear from ya. How are we gunna negotiate the next few days until a verdict in this thing? I’m increasingly convinced that a lot of our political future and the lives of thousands of people hang in the balance on the common sense , intelligence and courage of 12 everyday Americans. A guilty verdict will go a long way to reinforcing my faith in my fellow citizens and the future of our experiment in democracy.
KEEP THE FAITH BUT PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE MAY HAFTA FIGHT OUR WAY OUTTA THIS MESS YET!!
David Brooks on the NewsHour lambasting the Democrats for not having a plan for Iraq.
1. 4 years of Republican failure don’t seem to count.
2. The surge is a plan. Apparently this counts more for Brooks even if it is idiocy.
3. Folks like Brooks spend half their time demanding a plan from the Democrats and the other half accusing the Democrats of “micromanaging” when they do present a plan.
Again 4 years of screwing things up in Iraq 7 ways to Sunday and all Brooks can come up with is “Look over there, a bright shiny object.” I suppose this is also part of the Republican strategy to blame Democrats for failure in Iraq.
On the Walter Reed scandal, Brooks opines that the one great thing that Donald Rumsfeld did was to reform the Pentagon bureaucracy and then lamely adds, “Of course, he didn’t do it here.” Hate to tell you, David, he didn’t do it in Iraq, or transformation, or procurement. As it is, he didn’t do much with the bureaucracy except make it even more capricious, but Brooks is never one to let a fact get in the way of a talking point.
In other words, blathering, babbling Brooks strikes again.
As to the deliberations, I would not read too much into it at this point. It’s only been 2-plus days right? and consider the scope of evidence, the breadth of the counts, the smokescreens, the theatrics… that’s an awful lot of horseshit to shovel through isn’t it?
As someone said, you can argue it round or flat. Give it a few more days. Maybe one of the attorneys will ask the judge to kindly peek in, see if they need anything, and oh by the way, hows that verdict thing coming? If we’re waiting a week from now, then we can worry.
Madness!
and..
“You’re entitled to your own opinions but you’re not entitled to your own facts.”
Question for the FDL crew –
Will any of the jurors be available for interview after the verdict? Will we hear frmo them here? Whats the media and court interview policy on jurors? Do they do a press gaggle? (lol)
Like I said earlier, I got faith. It’s way overdue for the pendulum to swing back towards sanity. A guilty verdict will give it a healthy push.
Good to see ya, It’s been a while.
sticky @ 108
I am wavering, still. Maybe not Kassel. The climate here has become oppressive, but I love US. Yes, the earlier comments about the world cup; am not a fan but was in Germany at the time and just in awe about how everybody made this happen together.
Beer o’clock is rapidly approaching and I am going to beat feet for the exit.
PASS THE AMMUNITION AND KEEP THE FAITH*
* Borrowed from a fellow patriot.
Hey, we have a weekend to start a betting pool. Ten bucks per, on date/time the jury comes back and how many “guilty” verdicts. The winner gets 25% of the pool, FDL gets the rest. In case of multiple winners, we draw the 25% winner out of a hat, the others get personalized, autographed copies of emptywheel’s book. Or an autographed picture of her with standing with her foot on Libby’s unconscious carcass.
There’s probably n official Vegas line, at least on conviction/acquittal, so no peeking. And Jane, TREX, et al cannot bet.
(or is this illegal…hmm)
Perhaps Hillary and Joe should team up and run on the ‘independent Democratic’ ticket.
hackworth @
113
All that cash will be useless to Shooter when PJF hauls his ass in front of a jury for a CAPITAL CRIME!
Bustednuckles @ 151
Is it blowin’ yet where yur at?
angie @ 143
;0)
I live right at the end of the Columbia Gorge, It blows one way or the other like a funnel.
Not bad here.
Y’all have a good one and I’ll meet ya here Monday A.M. for the next round of ScooterWatch.
RBG, Christy, whomever – Clean up on aisle 152
Oklahoma kiddo @ 157
To paraphrase Alan Jackson, Jimmy Buffett, and Marcy, “It’s BeerThirty somewhere!”
TJ @ 151
Sorry, TJ. A number of commenters today have already pointed out that this would be inappropriate. So, NO. This ain’t gonna happen.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 140
Earthquakes in punaiseland, and supercells by kiddo’s folk…woa, best wishes guys.
Crazy Horse – our shaker was nuttin’ (3.4) – I was on the phone with someone 20 miles away and he didn’t feel it.
Hunker down, windward folks…
TJ @ 152
Hi TJ, fwiw a couple days ago, in a similar moment of levity, I too proposed a pool of similar ilk. Soon, egregious popped in with some advice I thought apt: Since FDL has become quite the focus of interest and visitation from the “old media,” it would behoove us not to treat a matter of such national importance as this trial with the levity associated with betting pools. There’s other sites that do this, and I agreed not to keep mentioning it. YMMV of course :)
I want to be rid of Lieberman. I am weary of his ‘blackmail’.
I’ll be darned:
that’s what I’d call a two-fer. (not that it will be unanimously seen that way)
ccmask @111
Pat and his brother John loved sausages and rashers. I remember us going down to the shops to keep them supplied, she says.
They were great fellas. Pat was always very bright, but even when he was making it big as an attorney, you’d never think it about him, he was always so easy going. There was never any bull, she said.
Patrick and John took up the accordion and visited Kilmaley on their way to compete in the Irish national traditional music championships in Buncrana, Co. Donegal.
Pat was very young at that stage, probably only 13, but they were willing to travel, they loved the music, says Mary.
When he visited, young Pat played the accordion at Carney’s in Connolly village, to the west of Kilmaley. He also chatted with locals at the Kilmaley Inn, showing an acute interest in his family history.
When he left high school, Pat worked as a doorman, like his father. During the way, he called cabs for the wealthy elite of Manhattan’s Upper East Side. At night, he studied law, eventually becoming a New York federal prosecutor.
When it was time to take over the Chicago office in 2001, he first went to Kilmaley to get away from it all.
He went down to the Kilmaley Inn and met the locals again, and traveled to the trad music town of Doolin before visiting his mother’s family in Feakle.
He also visited Gerald Horgan, his cousin in Dingle, Co. Kerry who shared the pony ride all those years ago.
Mary Downes continues to keep the clippings and sees cousin Pat on the Irish main evening news many nights.
I had him taped the other night, she says. It was on the same tape as Fair City, the soap opera. But I think Pat’s case is just a lot more important. It won’t be taped over!?
http://www.dingle-region.com/sppatrick.h tm
yes, cc, trust the irish, no matter which side, protestant or catholic………i come from that ilk, ie the ‘mac’ following my ‘d’……..purveyors of the truth, no matter which side y’er on…….they kill over a blood truth, truth matters.
the truth rules when you’re irish. to the point of pain, in some instances when you’re growing up…….and my other half comes from pennsylvania dutch, where the truth also rules……so most of my lessons come from- the truth wins out, in the long and the short run…..no matter what. the cream rises to the top. i believe this is instilled in fitzgerald.
ccmask @ 126
Yes
punaise @ 165
;0)!!!
punaise @ 165
Carter’s endorsement is good news for Gore. Others have guessed that Gore is holding out until later in the game. I think that is a smart move. Its gonna be a bloody battle. Let Hillary, Obama, Edwards and the rest of them duke it out with each other and be punching bags for the right wing smear machine [that would be the entire MSM (including NPR) except for Olbermann and John Stewart].
I honestly believe if Gore would run, he would win. President Gore.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 170
big ditto!
Gudentag, mein freunde. Nothing on PACER today. Where are those damn transcripts? Waiting patiently for verdict(s). Will have no nails/cuticles/nubs to chew on by Tuesday night, so am hoping the jury finishes by then.
Marcy, if you are around, would like to talk to you about footnote #123. RH has my email addy.
President Carter. You have never, ever let me down.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 109
No one has done more for Al Qaeda than the Cheney regime.
1) Ignored warnings about 9/11
2) Dropped Afghanistan and the pursuit of bin Laden for their dream project, Iraq and its oil.
3) Totally screwed that up, so al Qaeda is now operating in Iraq.
4) The real question is: Is it all incompetence, or was the grand design to spread chaos and profit from same, all along?
punaise @ 167
The Oscars could be quite the interesting event.
Al Gore. Accept no substitutes.
OMG. I just got Peterr’s premise. Heaven forbid!!!!
TiredFed @ 179
You really ARE tired, TiredFed. Time to dial it back on the footnotes and rest up.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 168
Yeah. I’m with you O.K. – I want Gore
OT, but in the vein of topical treatments for 70’s songs, here’s a great video remake of Cat Stevens’ Father and Son tune ala Poppy and Junya
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm…..d_son.html
Very well done, I must say.
Now taking the field for FDL . . . It’s Jane, with kind words for Joe Klein
Gore-Clark has been my dream ticket, all along.
It would be nice to see one of them things (a dream) come true, some sunny day.
egregious (one of my favorite words), I think I was one of those first-time lurker ZEDs (maybe even twice) before I ever commented. Many moons ago now. Not that I de-lurk often or with any import. I am almost always in EPU-land. always way left behind. just happened to catch a new thread as it launched. pure luck – but then, that’s what a zed really is, right?. sure to be EPU’d.
companies in the maternity-industrial complex
isn’t that what Tike warned about?
Christy Hardin Smith @
49
Is this jury sequestered? If not, jurors talk to family, sometimes to friends and after all it is DC . . . .
Crazy Horse,
Was in Rhein Main every fourth day or so last summer.
On sunny days, topless girls in the parks, big screen TVs for night showings, outdoor beer cafes……. afternoon running through the parks was, um, distracting, at best.
The people of Germany are doing great. The hospitals are topnotch, the people extremely friendly (they mostly hate our govt) the economy is booming.
In fact, in all of mainland Europe, highrise construction is ongoing almost everywhere.
Two favorite towns, the Hague and Barcelona, where, it seems obvious to me that the residents truly love their cities. Munich kinda seems the same.
For the most part, Europeans do not seem to have the extreme hangups Americans have about sex and religion.
Intelvet @ 188
I’ll echo that, from a franco-american perspective.
Meanwhile back in the States-
In NC long time house speaker & optometrist Jim Black pleaded guilty in Fed Ct to taking $15K cash in IHop restaurant restroom in Salisbury from Chiropractors to help get friendly bill through. Next week he did Alford plea (admitted sufficient evidence existed for guilty verdict) in State Court for bribing a Repub to switch parties so Black could retain speakership or at least be co-speaker.
At least he started no wars. Just served a little too long.
OOps i got the drop offs mixed up. The restroom was as the Capital Grill in Raleigh. The IHOP was the site of the party switch.
http://www.newsobserver.com/1179/story/544057.html
It took the jury nine hours to acquit Mike Espy of all charges. Methinks it’s not going to work out quite so well for Wells this time.
However I am predisposed to accept that there is a wingnut in the henhouse and it’s going to be a fight to the death…
Regarding finding out what the hell is going on in the jury room.
I used to try to get close to the jury room door to listen a little bit. You couldn’t make out distinct sounds, but you could tell if they were having a vigorous discussion. The bailiff would smile and point at the door if they were going at it.
A trick to see what was going on besides interviews is to go in the jury room after the trial and scarf up discarded notes, look in wastebaskets, or even blank sheets of paper on tablets. You could then rub those with pencils for imprints. That’s just part of the craft- trying to improve your skills.
It’s important to figure out what is going on during deliberations b/c you can still negotiate a criminal case until they pronounce the verdict.
They still talk about the old-timers that would go into the judge’s chambers and use his bathroom which adjoined the jury’s bathroom to listen in. If the civil case was going badly, the insurance defense attorney’s would settle.
There is actually a statute against secret jury listening. You don’t have to use it- just the actual listening in secret is forbidden.
Pat_AlexVA @
121
Pat, you dog, you.
speaking of deutschland, I had a line on this nice little place in the Hartz mountains. hostel, beer garten, etc. my kids have never forgiven me for not buying the place. I’m DEFINITELY heading back to Frankfurt the next change I get!
The last jury I was on, we spent four days discussing a low-level powder drug case. Some of the jurors wanted to convict on the charges of possession with intent to sell, others just on the charges of possession. It was obvious that the guy and his friends were caught up in using and trying to manufacture more. But there were so many other people around the scene, whose role was never explained or even discussed, that we wondered where this guy fit in. (Unlike Judge Walton, the judge in the case did not allow us to submit questions – or even to take notes!)
But we took our work very seriously and went over every bit of evidence we heard. Emotions and opinion played a part, but we all knew we had to deal with the obvious brute force of evidence.
My point is that it does take time, even in cases lacking much significance in the world….
(In the end, we convicted on possession only, partly swayed by a juror who worked as a probation officer who said the likely actual jail time would be about the same either way.)
angie @ 171
again.
S.O.S. did you write that ditty? that was amazing. I sat at a fire with Gordie many years ago way up in Ontario (Orillia to be exact). He would be proud.
my favorite line:
Cheney said “Libby, it’s been good to know ya.”
Busted, here’s another one to try. (You might need more supplies.) Got this from Howard Peirce at Making Light.
Whiskey Tango-Foxtrot
1 1/2 oz rye whiskey
1/2 oz Aguardiente Cristal
1/2 tsp bar syrup
Three dashes of orange bitters
Juice of one tangelo
Combine ingredients and pour over crushed ice. Garnish with mango.
dab_from_CT @
179
Gore/Obama ‘08
please.
pretty please?
Wishing does not make it so. I think we need to prepare for 3 eventualities:
1. conviction of all counts;
2. acquittal on all counts; and
3. conviction on less than all counts.
No. 2 is what worries me the most. We need to think about how to deal with that in a positive and constructive fashion. I don’t want to lose the momentum and positive feelings that this site is currently running on.
So how do we do that?
moe99 @ 199
Given the facts, and the evidence, I can’t imagine anything other than guilty on all counts. Just thinking about an aquittal gives me a cold chill. In fact, it’s more than that. I kept switching back and forth from CNN and Fox News (available here in Italy on cable) and got startle responses whenever I saw Fox’s “Alert” promo, and then great relief when it wasn’t “Libby Not Guilty on All Counts!!!!” I’m surprised at how deeply this is affecting me, and at how deep my fear is that the Rove/Cheney/Bush machine has permanently sullied the American government. I thought it was bad when these fascists succeeded in impeaching Clinton, but this current situation is much, much worse. I’m sorry to be so negative, but this is a nightmare. It really is.
S.O.S. in MA @
163
Hi TJ, fwiw a couple days ago, in a similar moment of levity, I too proposed a pool of similar ilk. Soon, egregious popped in with some advice I thought apt: Since FDL has become quite the focus of interest and visitation from the “old media,” it would behoove us not to treat a matter of such national importance as this trial with the levity associated with betting pools. There’s other sites that do this, and I agreed not to keep mentioning it. YMMV of course :)
Sorry. I’m mostly a lurker, didn’t see the prev. suggestion.
What’s YMMV? (Still studying the internets/tube thingie.) thanks
Peterr, your description of the world cup is spot on! I never thought 80 million people could have so much friendly fun! WRT your warnings and the german birthrate: Just last a night a here comedian mentioned another phenomenon. More and more fathers-to-be start asking their wives: Where have you been when I watched those soccer matches???????
I don’t know if links are allowed here, but this is what I’ll listen to when the guilty verdict comes in. It’s Fanfare for the Common Man played by the US Marine band.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/natlib/i…..010429.mp3
TJ -
YMMV – Your milage may vary
and hesikastor, yes links are allowed. Thanks!