No word as yet on anything other than a jury that is still deliberating the fate of I. Lewis Libby in Washington, DC. And so we continue to wait.
Carol Leonnig has an article in today's WaPo regarding the potential backlash that a not guilty verdict could have on the reputation of Patrick Fitzgerald — or, in the alternative, the lack of impact, depending on who you ask. My favorite part of Carol's piece:
Washington lawyers who have dropped in to watch the case say Fitzgerald's skills were best demonstrated in the tapes played in court of him questioning Libby before a grand jury. Under relentless questioning, Libby explained over nearly an hour that he forgot he learned about Plame from Cheney, then believed he learned it for the first time from NBC's Tim Russert, but recalled that Cheney did not share classified information. Libby's voice increasingly faded in strength, as Fitzgerald made him sound more and more illogical.
"And so when Tim Russert had this conversation with you, you didn't remember that the vice president told you in June that Wilson's wife works at the CIA," Fitzgerald said, "but when you remembered what you forgot, you remembered that you learned it in June not to be classified."
He paused, then asked incredulously: "As you sit here today, is that your testimony under oath?"
The article itself is a fairly balanced piece. I particularly enjoyed the honest characterization of lawyer/former Senator/teevee personality/Libby pal Fred Thompson as a "a board member of a group raising legal funds for Libby" since that is absolutely true and is an accurate reflection of his personal bias in discussions about the case.
What is a bit odd is that the online editors have topped it with the inflammatory headline "Verdict May Taint Prosecutor" for reasons only they understand. Probably the same reasons that they put in op-eds over the weekend from people with an agenda against accountability for the Administration, but it falls on their consciences as to why they continue to do this. Or on their waning subscription numbers, as the case may be.
Media Matters has an exceptional run-down of the wingnut shill hyperventilation circuit on this. And Larry Johnson hits the nail on the hypocritical head with this post on why some perjury is bad (read: perjury about a bobby jo in the West Wing when a Democrat does it) while other perjury is not even a crime (read: exposing a CIA agent and her entire network working on WMD issues during a time of war because someone dared to criticize the Administration for lying about the reasons for said war, regardless of its impact on classified activities meant to protect each and every one of us in this country and abroad). And, fwiw, I agree with Larry — perjury, under any circumstances, is a bad thing because attempting to subvert the justice system by lying is simply unacceptable. Period.
But the hypocrisy with which Libby's alleged perjury is attempted to be downplayed by the very right-wing shills who were marching around the Beltway with pitchforks and torches just a few years back? Well, that is just downright irritating — and incredibly dishonest, both to the public and to themselves.
Which gets me to my point this morning: yesterday, Dana Priest had a very interesting chat on the WaPo regarding national security issues. In the middle of the chat, she was asked a question about the Libby case and the investigation into the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson's name, and had this to say (H/T to allan_in_upstate and LaFourmiRouge for the heads up on this.):
Pauling, N.Y.: Is it possible that Valerie Plame was covert but would not be covered by the IIPA? Why is it that no government official will comment about Ms. Wilson's employment and covered status?
Dana Priest: Because she was covert! No, she's covered. If she were not, you could not have this trial in the first place.
And there, with the simplicity of a three sentence response, Dana Priest says what ought to be obvious to any thinking person who has ever worked around anyone who is undercover in any way. The CIA referral would have gone nowhere, very quickly, with the DoJ had Valerie Plame Wilson not been covert. In fact, the referral would never have been made in the first place. But the fact that John Ashcroft, partisan Attorney General that he was, allowed an investigation to be opened — and followed through on by the FBI for months and months under his supervision, before passing it off to an appointed Special Counsel pretty much says it all in terms of substance as to the reason for a referral in the first place.
The fact that Valerie Plame Wilson and those working with her either as fellow agents, assets, or even innocents who happened to travel with her on what they thought were simply ordinary business trips, but are now connected with the CIA in the minds of external intel agencies in any country in which she and they may have travelled…and it just keeps rippling outward from there…were exposed by the very government that ought to have held their secrets as closely as they possibly could? By their OWN government — at the highest levels?
The betrayal in this act of vengeance is breathtaking in its scope — and its stupidity.
But the repercussions of this conduct? Not just of revealing Valerie Plame Wilson and her network, but across the broad spectrum of intelligence agencies and people who work in them over the last six years of Bush Administration pressures, of Dick Cheney demanding intel to fit his warped world view, of the war between the WHIG and the CIA, of all of this — the repercussions are enormous. The losses that the intelligence community has seen of experienced field officers, of experienced analysts with a commitment to do the job well, has been staggering.
And the cost to our nation's safety as a result of these losses? There is a cost, and one that will not easily be paid back because the years of training and work that go into achieving that level of proficiency in a job which requires a high level of integrity and skill and understanding is not easily won back in a short term. And the fact that political cronies may be doing the recruiting for the very people we so desperately need to fill these jobs — in an environment of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush's making? You'll have to pardon me if I do not feel comfortable with where this may lead us.
And this is true across the board in a lot of civil service jobs in Washington, DC. I have heard this from countless readers and friends and current and former officials and peons — to a person — that there has been a concerted effort to decimate the collective understanding of how to make government work in the public name of efficiency. But privately, it has resulted in the insertion of political cronies at all levels and facets of government service, which has in turn resulted in the insertion of political hackery, cronyism and ideological zeal into decisions as diverse as research grants at the NIH or environmental policy or no-bid contracts that have resulted in vast profit schemes and war profiteering.
All of which has been allowed to go unchecked and unchallenged for far too long by the Republicans who controlled Congress.
This is a time for heroes. I selected the clip of the West Wing above for a very good reason. This is one of my favorite Jed Bartlett moments, and it comes at the end of an emotionally difficult episode — and truly shows the difference that some uplift and a call to the service of your fellow citizens when the nation most needs you to take action can mean for us as a nation. The actions of one person, in the right place at the right time, can change the course of history.
What if you are that person?
This nation of ours needs heroes, now more than ever. Heroism comes in many forms but, for my money, the biggest hero that any of us can be is to be an active, involved, and attentive person who holds both their governmental representatives and themselves accountable for their community, for their nation, and for our place in the world. Today, stand up and be the hero that your nation needs you to be.
I have had enough of self-dealing, backstabbing, short-term-power-grabbing, don't care about anything other than what's in it for me falseness. This is a time when our nation has substantial problems. And it will take all of us — pulling together — to even begin to make a dent. This is a time for true leadership in this nation of ours. But we will not see it, we will continue to get this half-baked, self-dealing idiocy unless and until we all stand up and say "enough!" and demand much better — for ourselves, for our children's sake, and for this nation of ours.
Today, stand up and be the hero that your nation needs you to be. Let us all stand up together. For America. For ourselves and our children and our children's children. For liberty.
(And yes, I have been reading Langston Hughes famous poem about America again. Why do you ask?)
Related posts:
- SCOTUS Denies Valerie Plame Wilson Her Day in Court
- The Taxpayers Paid Dick Cheney’s Personal Defense Attorney to Obstruct Any Inquiries Into His Crimes
- The Secrets Novak Took to the Grave
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- Cheney Interview: Washington Post Losing Its Ability to Report, Too





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Conservapedia!
A new effort at truthiness:
In fact, “Wikipedia” even has wickedness in its name, doesn’t it?
Why don’t them left-wingers be honest and spell it “Wickepedia”? They’re always tryin’ to sneak up on our right-wing children. They probably figgered out that our kids spell it “wikid.”
Trying to check the Conservapedia entry for Dick Cheney, but the site is apparently running on MS-DOS 3.1 and a 10K hard drive or something.
Meanwhile, here are The_Conservapedia_Commandments (in case you want to post over there).
From something I posted in Pachacutec’s “Fitz!” thread yesterday @ 49:
From Todays WaPo
Sweet stick-poked baby Jesus, I thought the Pugs would at least wait until a verdict is announced.
But, hey, did I call it or what?
(Oh, ok, yes, that was an easy prediction.)
But back on topic: Yes, Christy, this is a time for heroes — among other places, in our discussions with neighbors, at the water cooler, and in preparing for the upcoming elections.
Thanks for your good post.
Cheney moves into the crosshairs
Couldn’t get here fast enough this morning.
Maybe if we get a guilty verdict we can make a concerted effort to start telling people like Leonnig and Babs and all the rest of the wingers to STFU.
here’s something to give us all a little bit of optimizm;
the jury is looking to establish a timeline and graphs
as far as I can see that means they have discarded the memory defense
As others have said, great trial coverage and great continuing analysis of post-trial folks. You’re the best.
Also, I love the video. I get chills everytime I hear that speech. Where are political folks like that?
And this is a time for heroes in exposing the Other Walter Reed. We really must honor those who are working that story.
I ran into the ‘Valerie was not covert’ argument just this morning at Making Light and hit them with ‘if she weren’t covert there wouldn’t even have been an investigation’. And that was the first sentence of the wingnut-type post.
EPU’d from last thread, but on topic:
Biodun @ 222
I have absolutely no concern that this jury will acquit. It’s between a hung jury (on one or more counts) and guilty. If it’s hung, I would be very surprised, if there was more than one juror holding out.
I would prefer that the guilty verdict not come on Friday, the “garbage day” in the news cycle. Give it to us on Monday when the media can feast on it all week long.
perhaps it’s time to remind everyone of Ambassador and Mrs. Wilson’s civil lawsuit? Where has that gone and is it still on the table? That would be a great follow up blog!!!
Many thanks for all you do for getting the truth out there to the “masses”.
Bravo
I admit that I have a hero or two. They blog for Firedoglake. Continuously!
Biodun @ 11
Is it an argument for teaching everyone shorthand? (I’ll testify to notes being unuseful after a while. I wouldn’t want to rely on some of my college class notes, even though they weren’t bad at the time. The context is important to understanding them, and that’s in your head, where it can disappear.)
Interested Observer @ 13
“Take out the Trash Day” is for hiding mid-level but problematic news among the weekend’s higher priorities. Trust me: if the verdict comes in today, it’s not going to disappear in the Trash.
Prof @ 1
“Anti-Christian?” That’s funny, because I refuse to use BCE/CE when I teach (archaeology classes) precisely because there is nothing “common” about the referent date–it’s still the same (erroneous!) date assigned for the birth of Jesus. It’s BC/AD with the Christian serial numbers badly filed off, pretending to be some more universal and objective timekeeping, and I would rather just use BC/AD and be honest about the whole thing.
Got up early. Checked FDL. Have obsessively checked it on and off (mostly on) all morning. Has anyone got a long-range plan for how we’re all going to manage our addiction to this incredible coverage once the verdict is in? Step One: Admit that we are hooked on the Scooter/Shooter trial because it exposes the putrefying core of the Bush administration. Step Two: Admit that we also enjoy watching a great drama unfold. Step Three: Find the vacuum and re-establish a relationship with it. Step Four: Go outside and breathe unbreathed air, even if it’s about to dump more than a foot of snow (in MN). Etc., etc.
O.k. I had an idea…I don’t know how to go about getting the ball rolling but there are many minds better than mine here, so I thought someone else might have better ideas:
I have been really disturbed by the lack of follow up for vets at W.R.. I heard somewhere that 60% of the wounded have head trauma and are too disoriented to keep track of their appointments. What if there were a network of people who each adopted a vet in an advocacy role. Call the patient in the morning, email him or her a weekly schedule and help keep track of meds etc. One wouldn’t necessarily have to be local to do it.
Anyway, it’s a thought.
ooohh, we luvs our ReddHedd when she’s gotta head-a steam! You go gurlll! ;->
michael @ 14
Oh, it’s still there, in discovery and preparation. It likely played a role in the way the defense handled this case. For Team Libby and the White House, the civil suit is a nightmare waiting to happen.
One verdict at a time, folks!
We do need heros, not media created, self-indulgent personalities, celebutants or otherwise shallow, stupid people who offer nothing, but have a name or a hair style to coast on.
From wiki, on heroes:
My bold. The wiki is speaking about you here, Christy. *g*
Bustednuckles @ 6
To be fair, Leonnig has struck me as pretty even-handed in her coverage. I wouldn’t tar her with the sins of WaPo in general.
contrast w/
whoa — a perfectly-turned post — solid,
damning and level in tone and timbre. . .
i agree. heros are in
short supply, and we all
need to stand up — stand
up [assuming, arguendo, scooter
is convicted later today], and
ask that the sitting vice president
be brought before a new grand jury, and
quizzed as to what (according to scooter)
the cocking of his head, to one side,
when scooter first told him he thought
he had learned of plame’s status
from russert — meant.
was cheney indicating he would go along
with this ruse? or, was it cheney who act-
ually formulated the ruse, and the
ever-loyal scooter followed it directly into
the teeth of a five count felony trial?
as nicholas kristof wrote yesterday,
we — the american people, whose sons
and daughters are dying in iraq — are
entitled to know. . .
so — let us begin asking for
the vice president’s indictment.
This may sound dumb, but isn’t Dana Priest a guy, or am I confusing him/her with another reporter Dana?
Prof @
2
I tried too, but gave up. Apparently they don’t feed their hamsters superchow like they do at the Lake.
Either that or they got’em all harnessed up backward & upsidedown. *g*
Interested Observer @
13
I totally agree. I hope someone in the jury room knows that.
Millineryman @ 23
… or a total lack thereof :)
Thanks Christy and all the gang at FDL.
This place is inhabited by heros, all. I LOVED the West Wing and have the entire series on DVD (After I had taped each and every episode as they were shown). Any good dem candidate in their right mind would have grabbed Aaron Sorkin as their #1 speech writer long ago.
Listening to Joe Conason on Seder this morning gives us so much to worry and think about in terms of the direction our country is headed if, and that is a big IF, we don’t do something about it. And it is WE who will have to do something about it. As Molly said, We are the deciders. It is our voice, individual and collective that must be raised to tell the truth to everyone wherever and whenever we can. Two quotes that I use a lot:
Gnome de Plume @
28
she’s a lady and mebbe you’re thinking of Dana Milbank.
Millineryman @ 23:
The wiki resonates with your comment:
JGabrial @ 8:28
I was just grabbing names. Pick another one and insert there. The combinations seem limitless.
Gnome de Plume @ 28
Dana Priest – female
Dana Milbank – male
Angie, you are right – it is Dana Milbank I am thinking of – the one with the Elmer Fudd hat. Thanks.
after learning about victoria toensing’s article here at FDL a few days ago – i read it & then wrote to the 30 people who often look to me for deeper insights on news stories & told them i would no longer be using the wapo as a msm source.
then i forwarded the email to the editors of the wapo & added that despite being a ny resident, i’ve looked to their paper for 20yrs as my back-up msm source, (after the nyt), but as a result of publishing factual innacuracies in toensing’s piece, i was switching to the l.a. times. (some fine reporters there)
thanks christy.
there’s one thought i’d like to add… heros don’t have be saints. last night i mentioned gandhi and mlk (personal over-the-top type heros of mine), but maybe someone like oskar shindler is a better example. as i understand it, he was a real slimeball – cheated on his wife, and in buisness. but eventually he recognized that he was confronted with a stark choice – he chose to risk his life and lose all his $ inorder to save the lives of hundreds of people.
most of life’s choices aren’t some big moment with an inspiring movie soundtrack. everyday we’re confronted with all of life’s little choices. the trick is somehow to recognize them and choose wisely with courage and honor.
some people seem capable of doing that… and they inspire me to keep trying.
Express, the free daily newsrag they hand out at subway stations here in DC, has a poll every day. Yesterday’s question: “Is ‘Scooter’ Libby guilty of lying in the CIA leak case?” Results today:
No: 51%
Yes: 49%
Some comments here:
http://readexpress.com/pollcen…..2007-02-22
Keep in mind that DC subway is full of lobbyists and staffers. Also, the public (and the news) is confused because they still don’t distinguish between IIPA and perjury about IIPA. Those conservatives who do understand the perjury are spouting the usual talking points: witch hunt, lalala I can’t hear the liberals, Clinton lied too etc. Unthinking pubs like that probably wouldn’t ask for post-it notes. :-)
Shopgirlove @ 20
A friend of mine is a volunteer for Soldier’s Angels. They don’t appear to work with wounded vets currently, but they have a network for connecting volunteers with soldiers, so it might be an area they’d consider expanding into if you wanted to contact them. Y’know, build on existing organizations rather than starting from scratch.
c’mon folks — let’s accept that
justice doesn’t — shouldn’t — be
concerned with the news cycle. . .
it may take a bit, but in the main,
the process works — the jury will get
it right — and the news cycle will not
matter for a tinker’s damn — at least not to me.
let’s accept the verdict when it comes.
just my $0.02.
The Supreme Court of Canada has just ruled that Security Certificates under which suspected terrorists can be held indefinitely and with ‘evidence’ against them kept secret from everyone including themselves and their lawyers, is unconstitutional. Two men have been held in Canada for the past 5 years and one for 7 years. The court put the ruling ‘on hold’ (my interpretation) for a year while the gov’t is to redraft the legislation.
This is my first posting. I am so impressed and happy about the work done here and to know there are others who share my views and values. Thank you very much.
I agree with JohnCasper @ 12. A “Not guilty” verdict does not seem a real possibility. It’s between “guilty” and a “hung jury”, depending on the number of wingnuts on the jury.
EPU’d (with a couple edits) from a few daze back. (To our longsuffering Mods — Pls pardon the repeats during possible jury-return threads.)
My earlier response:
Yabbut yabbut, FDL just sits there until you explicitly Refresh; that’s the only way you’ll know from here.
What I do is leave the FDL “gabbly” window
open with its sounds turned ON. (Of course, I also leave my speakers ON loud!)
So, in the hopes that “the usual gang” gathers over in GabblyVille during the runup to the verdict, :) my computer will begin to beep. So I won’t miss out — because Gabbly is “push-based” rather than “pull-based” like the web is.
Remember, Gabbly takes some of the heavy load off the FDL servers!
Hint: Use two windows. Put the above URL in one, and this one in the other. Position the windows where you can see both the chat about FDL and the real FDL. Refresh only the REAL FDL window.
Go jury, give us back the truth! All hail Fitz and the entire (((FDL Crew))), additional best loyal healthy vibes to dear admired ((((Jane)))) — and Godspeed to us all.
Terrific post, Christy. Now is the time that we need leaders, and every one of us can be leaders… in our neighborhoods and in our cities, by meeting our neighbors, writing to our newspapers, calling and demanding action from our representatives in Congress.
I’m really hoping that guilty verdicts will be delivered – it will help people to realize that the Bush/Cheney cabal does not always win. No matter what the verdict, we have to keep pressing for the truth to be revealed, we have to keep demanding accountability from our government. We have to convince the people around us that speaking out and demanding better is our civic responsibility.
Average Joes who are not politically active are more interested in politics than ever. Many avid Republicans are disgusted with Bush & Cheney and the Republican party that has enabled this admin. We need to take every opportunity to invite those people into the fold of becoming activists for change.
I hope everyone here will find some time this weekend to talk with people about politics, encouraging one or two friends to become more politically active. Listen to what concerns them, and inspire them to take a small step – perhaps calling a Senator or writing a letter to the editor about their issue. A small action taken by thousands of us can spark change. It can inspire others to speak out. It can make a difference.
___________
p.s. my guess is that we won’t get verdicts today – I don’t think the jury will return their verdict until Tuesday late morning.
photo of Priest
photo of Milbank
I know that there is nothing that we can write or say that will affect Cheney or the Chimp, but does anyone see signs – as in the Kristoff piece – that our writing and outrage, which seems to have been turned up several notches, is “emboldening” Congress to be more responsible and aggressive? Are they seeing/feeling a tide turn in the Beltway?
barbara @ 19
I lurked, I posted, I am addicted – - I don’t want to quit the reals news & real views fix I get! I want more!!
Redshift @ 40
See! I knew someone here would have a resource! Firedogs amaze me-thank you! I’m going to check them out.
Powerful post, Christy! It’ll be linked elsewhere, so “topy” cop edits noted:
both to the public and
thethemselves.effeciency. Did you mean efficiency?
Unless there’s a hold out, in my experience jury’s deliberating on a Friday are motivated to go home and not have to come back the following week. I think we’ll get a verdict this afternoon.
Interested Observer @ 13
Ah, but then I have to drive to DC 10 hours from MI with the MilleniaLab to pick up “camp out at the courthouse” duty from Jane.
It sounds a lot more relaxing to get the verdict today. I’ve got to drive to Lansing tomorrow–isn’t that enough?
nolo @
41
Considering how effective this administration has been at keeping a lid on negative stories by letting them out on Friday, I think you are underestimating the danger.
LandOfTheFree @ 45 !! Nice 2 C U back!
CapeBretoner and Canada, we thank you for a little piece of Sanity. When Canada gets all weird and follows the US I think the same thing that is often said of Mexico – Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos. (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States.)
neokneme at 15 — Thanks much. I needed that this morning. :)
emptywheel @ 52
Somehow I don’t think a guilty verdict would get lost in the Friday News Cycle. It will still be a huge story on Sunday and Monday…
Though perhaps Patrick Fitzgerald will hold back from making a statement until Monday, which will certainly get a lot of coverage.
TJ @ 53
Yes, but keep in mind that the verdict is just the beginning of sentencing, deal negotiations, etc. Even if the verdict comes out today, the news story will continue into Monday.
Checking in, in the media room at the courthouse, nothing happening. Outside, however, I’m seeing something I haven’t seen before — photographers staking out all the parking entrances. Lots of media circus equipment. I doubt anyone knows any more than we do, but everyone wants to be prepared, not only for the verdict but Fitzgerald’s statements on the courthouse steps immediately after.
Have I mentioned recently how great it is to be here?
Regardless of the Libby verdict, here is what we now know:
–The Vice-President authorized a leak of the name of a covert agent for blatently political purposes. If that isn’t criminal, and that is yet to be determined, it should be.
–The President alleges but does not prove a declassification of a National Intelligence Estimate, a declassification without documentation and known to only himself the VP and the COF of the VP—NOT his own COS, the director of the CIA, NSC or any Cabinet member. This may well have been illegal and is certainly improper.
–Karl Rove leaked, Scooter Libby leaked, the Press Secretary leaked, the assistant Director of the NSC leaked and Rove and Libby made false statements about whether they had leaked.
–The White House’s assurances that there were no leakers or that leakers would be punished were disingenuous and insincere ate best.
–The WH routinely used the press, especially Meet the Press and the NYT, as an “echo chamber” to justify the case for war.
–The reaction to hearing that there may be an alternate interpretation of intelligence by Ambassador Wilson was not welcomed (as was Doug Feith’s for example), but was attacked.
That’s just a little for starters. These points will be drowned out in the initial days by the verdict, but they must reemerge and be pursued.
When it comes to heroes, maybe it is time for someone to step into the breach in Connecticut.
1) what are the provisions for Senator recall there?
2) what would it take to get the movement started?
Redshift @ 58
From your lips to God’s ear…
Dictionary.com has this usage note on the term hero:
WashPo even gets a shoutout.
oh my! emptywheels a spinnin in the snow!
watch for black ice and, remember, the dog can not be in the driver’s lap or one of you will get a ticket.
Jane Hamsher @ 59
Doesn’t sound like a Friday News Garbagedump.
More like fodder for Sunday AM.
Have I mentioned how great it has been to have (all) you there?
^_^
Jane Hamsher @ 59
I think they are preparing for one of two stories — the verdict or “the jury’s gone home for the weekend.” Either way, they’ve got to be there to cover whichever one emerges.
Jane Hamsher @ 59
Are you running back and forth to play with the pupsters?
dan robinson @ 61
1 – None – can’t be done.
2 – see #1
I have to agree with Dana Priest on the fact that Plame was covert. The best that Toensing (or anyone else) can come up with to say that she was NOT covert was that the IIPA defines a covert officer as someone who has worked overseas in the last five years, and Plame has lived in the US (Toensing says) for that entire time, so she couldn’t be covert. She’s being extremely disingenuous, I think. If you live in the US, but you make occasional trips overseas for business, then I think most people would say that you’ve worked overseas. And if Plame had never left the country in the five years prior to Novak’s column, I suspect that Bush and Cheney would have released the names of EVERYONE who’s come in or out of the country in that timeframe, just to show that Plame’s name wasn’t there.
No, I think it’s more likely that she HAS travelled overseas as a covert CIA expert in WMD proliferation. Her cover? The ditzy blond wife of a former US Ambassador investigating WMD. (”Sorry about the wife. She’s a bit flighty, you know, and she just LOVES that new digital camera of hers. She must not have seen that ‘Restricted Area’ sign.”)
not to be pendantic here, but
do you really think, for one minute,
that a conviction of any felony
ex rel. scooter libby — for conduct while
he was the chief of staff for the vice
president of the united states, will be
downplayed in the m.s.m?
i, for one, am not concerned.
your mileage may vary.
Jane Hamsher @
60
This nutty little trial that nobody cares about, LOL!
Have we mentioned sufficiently today just how grateful we all are for all your work on this?
_
Christy mentioned Fred Thompson in the WaPo article. Right after that there are comments by Mary Jo White:
Fitzgerald will be loved or hated no matter which way the verdict goes. But having read the blogging here over the last few weeks I would say he did is best and that is all we can ask of anyone. He has had to deal with people who did not want the truth out there.
I loves me some reddhead…
8~}
Jane Hamsher @ 59
Argh, thta makes me definitely want to come down if the verdict doesn’t come in today.
Dan Robinson at 62: I have been wondering about this in an abstract way, but if your idea is practical, it’s brilliant. Lots of wise folks here who can comment on the possibility.
raven @
68
Puppies are fine this morning. Looking forward to the drive to CT tonight.
nolo @ 70
Considering we already have comments in MSM saying that it doesn’t count because it’s just lying?
There is a community that takes this trial very seriously. Then there is the whole rest of the country.
Christy Hardin Smith @
57
Then consider it seconded. Christy, Jane, Marcy — heroes, all, for the amazing amount of work, insights, knowledge, experience, perseverance, and patriotism diplayed in this effort.
Thank you.
Powerful writing
Yet another reason why Hillary shouldn’t be president.
Re-elect Gore ‘08 (you can get the button from Buzzflash)
Jane Hamsher @ 60
Have I mentioned recently how grateful I am that you are?
dan robinson @ 61
It’s been repeatedly said on earlier threads that there are no provisions in CT.
Maybe a class action civil suit for fraud?
Gnome de Plume @
28
check Dana Millbank against Dana Priest
she wins, hands down… and heads up
in my opinion
There are plenty of heros in the blogosphere. Unfortunatly it doesn’t translate into heroism in our political “leadership”. There are all too few political leaders who aren’t afraid of suffering the slings and arrows of wingnuttia. They need to get rid of the risk adverse advisors and stand up for what they know to be necessary.
Frank Probst @ 69
If Plame had not been covert, I’m sure Libby’s defense would have jumped all over it. (Even if a grand jury was improperly convened to deal with a non-criminal act, it in no way alters the question of whether Libby LIED to that grand jury…but it would have been the best possible distraction for the defense.)
Thanks for checking in Jane. I know my universe is in good hands. I must go out and tend to my outdoor critters. With global warming, spring comes earlier and earlier here in South Texas. My koi are waking up, thinking that I should clean their ponds abit and give them some food. I’ll check back for news later.
Carol’s responding to a general rumble that Patrick Fitzgerald with a reputation for being non-partisan, has turned partisan by bringing this case to trial – particularly the limited case of lying to the Grand Jury. They interpret his passion in his closing argument as partisan as well.
What the hell is partisan about the truth? He was very clear in announcing the indictment and in his closing argument. His investigation could not get to the truth because the people, at least one of the key people, Scooter Libby, wouldn’t tell the truth. In his investigation, he ran up against roadblock after roadblock with reporters who didn’t want to talk. He hacked away at them, sending one of them to prison, to get their testimony. When an Administration Official that was central to the case lied repeatedly, Fitzgerald charged him with lying. What’s partisan about the guy doing his job contientiously?
I’m partisan. Christy Hardin Smith is partisan. Nancy Pelosi is partisan. We partisan types would’ve been glad if he’d charged the entire Executive Branch of the government with high treason, but he’s not that kind of guy. Patrick Fitzgerald is a Federal Prosecutor with an investigation handed to him by the Justice Department. Sure, my partisan self hopes he wins with Scooter Libby like he did with Judith Miller, Matt Cooper, Tim Russert, etc. Because there’s a truth that still needs finding.
Fitzgerald’s got a job to do…
movie version:
fitz = gregory peck
valerie plame = kim novak
joe wilson = william holden
jane = nicole kidman
marcy = barbara hershey
swopa = jeff goldblum
janes dogs = muppets
arianna = meryl streep
christy = susan sarandon
scooter = ?
judy miller = judy davis
tim russert = mr potato head
squirrel hiller @ 65
When I first read this, my eyes saw “the dog can not be in the driver’s seat“. *g*
emptywheel @
53
Stop on through Pinckney tomorrow and I will buy you a scone and some coffee!
Tell me the Honda is kicking ass!
dan robinson @ 61
(1) United States elections for the Senate in 2012.
(2) You can start thinking of people to nominate now, and get them to consider running.
No, you can’t recall him, more’s the pity.
scooter = ?
William H Macy
Money meets Mouth.
This week I broke the piggy bank and bought The Box of Miracles. In the process, I got a rather shocking lesson in America’s economic decline. The conversion from Dollars to Euros was a heart stopper. I’ve been scraping my wife off the roof for three days.
In any event, my package will be arriving in about two weeks, and I will begin my Mad Scientist experiments in Astral Technology.
I don’t know about being a hero, but if my Full Snuggle Theory is correct, and I’m sure it is, my friends and I are about to alter the course of Human Civilization.
brain blob @ 91
Arnold the Terminator
scooter = pee wee herman
Jane, are there slots for the public whenthe verdict comes in?
About halfway through Elizabeth de la Vega’s “United States v. George W. Bush et al.,” which I never would have known about & ordered w/out FDL’s Book Salon.
Put de la Vega on that list of heroes. Her book is an amazing, eye-opening read AND call to action…
Mickey @ 86
Remember that the operative definition of “partisan” in Washington today hinges on whether a fact or event supports the neocons’ agenda. If the truth embarrasses or discredits that agenda or its proponents, or if it proves them to be criminals, it is, a priori, partisan.
Peterr @ 17
Riiight. And I suppose the jury is only waiting for Judge Larry to shut up, so they won’t steal his spot light. No need to make something disappear which has already disappeared.
I was just in my car doing some errands and listening to NPR’s Talk of the Nation. Some elderly woman called up very confused about the Libby case and asking for clarification. The guest host (who was rather lame) turned the question over to someone from USA Today who gave the Toensing version – it’s confusing even to her, everyone has mistaken memory, it’s a just a lot of fuss about nothing, no one outside of the beltway is interested. Of course I was shouting at the radio.
Then Ignatius from WaPo spoke very eloquently – refuting what the USA Today rep had said saying that Fitz had brought a compelling case that Libby lied and describing the underlying issue being Cheney’s war with the CIA and using false intelligence to lie us into a war. I wanted to reach through the radio and hug him. Thank goodness, for once, there was someone, fairly objective, to refute the wingnut on the panel.
Prairie Sunshine @
82
here in CT land:
at the risk of repeating others…
I’d love to see/hear Chris Dodd stack up his positions against Joe LIEberman.
PS, Joe finally wrote me back after I sent a harsh critique letter to him. It was his form letter, natch. And, sadly, I have no energy to write him back a WTF letter.
From AP: In Sydney, Cheney rips China and North Korea:
The Darth runs amok overseas, taking no prisoners. Pelosi, China, North Korea, and all!
Check him out, here.
Staying five mph below the published speed limits at all times, as per usual.
(LMAO as I type this)
EvilDrPuma @ 98
“Reality has a well known liberal bias.”
_
Oh, and Ignatius did refer to Plame as a covert agent of the CIA. No pussyfooting around.
{S.O.S. in MA} Hi – saw your reply you posted last night, thanks! (Looks like I went to bed just before the fireworks started – wow, what a hoot).
Jane, Christy – I hope you all are getting some well-deserved R&R while we wait for a verdict. You have worked tirelessly to share so much information to us – thanks!
Emptywheel – ditto, especially with the long distance commuting! FYI – we’re supposed to get a nasty ice & snow storm in these parts starting around midnight Sat. night/Sun. am. I’m doing a bit of commuting between the A2, Flint, and Lansing areas over the next few days, so I’m keeping my eyes on it. Predictions in the Detroit area are for a little light snow Saturday, then a couple inches of ice plus sleet and snow Sunday am/afternoon. It doesn’t look like Lansing should be as badly affected with ice as Motown. Flint should get 3-5 inches of snow on top of some ice. Just wanted to give you the heads up in case a storm might require you to change travel plans. Drive safe.
squirrel hiller @ 88
William H. Macy.
(Edited to add: Oops. Brain Blob got there before me. Sorry for the repeated joke.)
squirrel hiller @ 88
fitz = jude law
valerie plame = charlese theron
scooter = liam nissan
judy miller = uma thurman
Prairie Sunshine @ 81
Not just CT; senator is a federal position, and states can’t enact laws governing it (except where they’re directed to by the federal government, as with election procedures.)
And while the idea of a fraud suit is amusing, even if it were possible, suits for misrepresentation on the campaign trail are a loaded gun I wouldn’t want to hand to the wingnuts (’cause you know they’d use it endlessly if they could.)
The best thing we can do is work hard to elect more Democratic senators so Lieberman becomes irrelevant. (And if you live in Maine, work to flip Republicans.)
RevDeb @
32
Thanks Christy, for your leadership and great writing. Thanks, RevDeb for these quotes. For personal reasons, they are great timing.
I agree that the verdict should come no sooner or later than when the jury’s ready. But if they do find guilty, my wish would be that it happen Monday rather than today.
Not because Friday’s take-out-the-trash day but because a verdict after the weekend would ensure that the Sunday Bobblehead shows lose the chance to be the first spinners and slanters of the verdict. I’d rather see Olberman help shape perceptions before Exophthalmic Cokie et al. get a crack at it.
JGabriel @ 106
I like Macy too much to do that to him. Pee Wee Herman, as someone above mentioned works for me ;-)
Vilsack’s live on cspan, followed by the WH press briefing.
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From Froomkin yesterday, just in case anyone missed it:
I think Froomkin likes Jane! *g*
At some point in my reading about the Plame affair (on the web) I ran across a claim that the CIA’s wall of fallen heroes has a new star — anonymous — under the cover company that Valerie Plame worked for (Jennings/Bryant, or some such). In other words, somebody who worked at the same company has been killed in the line of duty since the leak.
You can draw your own conclusions about whether or not “since the leak” translates to “because of” the leak.
Did anybody else run across this claim? Maybe on Larry Johnson’s site?
If there’s anything to it, shouldn’t this be getting more coverage?
Marcy–Google maps has the trip to Lansing pegged at 9-10 hours.
Jane–Middletown is theoretically 6 hours away.
Do you think Marcy gets home first because she doesn’t drive through NJ and NYC?
Be safe, both of you!!
Fred Thompson should simply content himself to playing Manhattan District Attorney Arthur Branch in “Law & Order.” That’s the only job he can do at the moment. And he’s not even that good at it, as Steven Hill was.
inneresting from the post’s chat:
(bold mine)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02014.html
Oh and Jane, I got goosebumps reading about the sudden interest by the media! Hope to see you on primetime!
Mickey @ 107– Liam Neeson would have to be on his knees to portray Irving!
Shopgirlove @
20
This is also where occupational therapy comes in. There are methods of helping them become self-sufficient, manage their own time themselves. I see it every day; I work at a rehab hospital. We have a brain injury program.
Keep in mind, this IS NOT about the medical care at Walter Reed.
Mickey @ 107
Not bad… but I was thinking Judy Miller might better be portrayed by Bjork.
Of course Valerie Wilson was covert, and, of course, Libby knew it. What other explanation for his questioning of Addington? I’m convinced Libby was hoping that Addington would tell him something like, “Well, yes, you can be convicted of outing a CIA agent, but it’s very difficult to prove.” Instead, Addington told Libby that outing an agent was a very serious offense. I’m convinced that the discussion with Addington was when Libby decided to concoct his fallback plan of lies, never truly believing that the reporters would testify against him. Hubris.
ralphbon @ 110
My fantasy is that the verdict comes in guilty on all counts at about 4:30PM, Fitz requests immediate remand, Walton grants remand until Wells can convince him that Libby should roam free pending appeals, and then Walton tells Wells he’ll hear his arguments first thing Monday morning.
ralphbon @ 111
I want it to come in a few minutes because I’m jittery [or if it’s “not guilty” - I want it not to come ever]…
Peterr @ 69
peterr, why can’t we start gathering support to change out laws in connecticut so we CAN recall the slimeball?
Mickey @ 108
Judy Miller is the actress that played the Giantess in the last Harry Potter movie. See is a dead ringer.
Macy looks more like Jeffress
Who will play
DeadEye Cheney, Shooter?am i the only one who keeps a blood pressure cuff next to the laptop?
squirrel hiller @ 127
No. My little wrist one is right here. Mine is reading low this morning though.
John Casper @ 125
mary cheney
or
george from seinfeld
Up front shameful admission: I don’t know how to create a working link, you may have to type the address in yourself.
Here’s a link http://talkingpointsmemo.com/d…..letter.pdf to a TPM archive document dated 30 Jan. 2004 that is a letter from the Director of Congressional affairs to Congressman John Conyers in response to his request for information about whether the CIA or the DOJ are investigating the outing of Valerie Plame. As you can see in the 3rd paragraph the document states very clearly that the CIA has in fact completed it’s internal investigation of the matter AND HAD REFERRED THE MATTER TO THE DOJ WITH A REQUEST THAT THE FBI OPEN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION into the outing of Ms Plame. The letter further states that the COUNTERESPIONAGE SECTION at the DOJ has requested the FBI to initiate the investigation.
It’s crystal clear that the CIA itself-which is the only organization in a position to know FOR SURE that Ms, Plame was covert, had completed an investigation and decided that it was probable that a law had indeed been broken. It seems certain that the CIA would not have requested that DOJ and FBI open a criminal investigation if Ms. Plame had not been covert. As far as I know there’s no law that says it’s illegal to discuss a non covert CIA employee, or “desk weenie” as the RNC talking points labled her.
There’s yer prima facie argument right there, Valerie Plame was covert. The CIA believes it. Period. And if you want to add icing on the top, the fact that the DOJ Counterespionage Section looked at it and also decided that there was enough there, there to ask the FBI to open a criminal investigation. Anybody who is still trying to tell you that she wasn’t covert should be told this loudly and to STFU!
I see that the headline for the article in the online Washington Post has now been changed, to “A Nonpartisan Reputation at Stake.”
Either some editor has a sense of fairness that Leonig managed to tweak after seeing it online — or they’re reading Firedoglake just like the rest of us!
squirrel hiller @ 88
John Casper @ 126
Lionel Barrymore
shooter=Boris Karloff
pete @ 123
I believe it would take an amendment to the US constitution to do it. It’s a federal office, with the requirements and procedures set by the Constitution. The state is given the freedom to dictate the procedures for the election (times and places for casting ballots, people authorized to oversee the count, etc.), but the qualifications for the office and the loss thereof are strictly a federal matter.
I have my blood pressure cuff right here too. I feel too anxious to check it right now.
Mickey @ 107
I would have cast meryl streep as Judy,Judy,Judy. After all isn’t she known as the queen of weird?
Prof @
1
Wiccan-pedia
140/82
punaise @ 137
urp!
jane h — thanks for the update, very glad you’re able to be right there for even these most tedious moments.
emptywheel — lansing? Hmm.
Christy — appreciate the heroes post. I’ve long enjoyed the work of Joseph Campbell on the hero archetype, especially his interview series with Bill Moyers.
The most challenging part of being a hero: hearing and heeding the call to be one. Most of us walk around blind and deaf to the call, and when we do hear or see it, we turn it down.
The next most challenging part of being a hero: recognizing that we are giving boons and helpmates to meet our quest. As heroes and heroines, we are not alone or without gifts, but it is up to us as heroes to recognize this and make use of this knowledge.
FDL and FirePups are some of my boons and helpmates. Who and what are yours?
John Casper @ 126
It’s gotta be Darryl Hammond of SNL. He’s got Deadeye Dick pegged, especially with the scowl and sneer. Voice imitation is perfect, too.
oddball @ 89
Pinckney itself? Are there scones in Pinckney? Coffee even??
EPUed in the last thread
Anyone heard from Mary lately?
I think you confuse the two issues. No, the jury does not need to be thinking about the implications of the news cycle as they debate the verdict. It will be decided when it is decided.
However, it is naive to ignore the impact of the timing of the verdict on the news cycle, which influences what (and how much) the public hears, which influences political discourse (and political will – or lack thereof) on the part of Congress. No, they will not act while it appears to be only politically motivated. But when (and if) it finally sinks in to the American Public that this has been a breach of National Security and that the elected officials committed treason in outing an intelligence official for political purposes? Heads can/will roll. The one most likely to roll is the one with job approval ratings already in the teens, and a major liability to the Republican party if they wish to regain losses (and not sustain further losses) in the upcoming elections.
My statement was that (for those reasons) it would be nice if the verdict was not reached on a Friday.
nolo @
42
Guilt! Accountability! Consequences!
Damn. Cheney’s speaking at a hotel I stay at in Sydney. Great, first that Russian spy gets polonium-poisoned at my usual hotel in London, and now this?!? They’re both too radioactive now to stay at!
FITZ!
John Casper @ 125
Vern Troyer, the actor who played Mini Me form Austin Powers.
The CIA goes to the trouble and expense of running nonofficial cover agents for the Agency’s own amusement. NOC’s join in the fun in this real-life game of Russian Roulette just waiting for someone (say the prez or vice) to knock them or others off. It’s all a blast. Who wants to sign up?
BobbyG @ 104
Or as William Sloane Coffin (the inspiration for Trudeau’s Rev. Sloan) put it:
The Heart is A Little To the Left
http://www.amazon.com/Credo-Wi…..0664227074
JFK was killed on a Friday. It made most of the news outlets.
raw story headline:
Baghdad ’surge’ returns alleged intel ‘fixer’ to stage: Soon…
I keep wondering why all we have gotten out of the Plame mess is a trial of Libby for lying? Where are the indictiments for treason?
The only person to play Shooter is the Devil himself.
Oddball, I wanna know where the good coffee & scone place is in Pinckney, too. I occasionally work out there (I usually visit the Zukey Lake Bearclaw drive-thru hut).
EW, you’re not going to the MDP convention? I just got a note that Granholm will be there. (I will not be there).
Somewhat OT, and I’m not sure if this was noted before, but one bit in Sidney Blumenthal’s article had me snorting with the irony:
Urm, uh, well, just “wow” — from Cheney’s mouthpiece’s mouthpiece…
(on edit: forgot to note emphasis mine)
Shooter should be portrayed by Anthony Hopkins.
Frank Probst @ 70
I can assure you Valerie is not ditzy, whether in alias or not.
global yokel @ 151
Patience.
LandOfTheFree @ 105
Saw that. If so, I hope the jury can give me an extra day. Or hell, maybe I’ll fly?
Do your patients have some sort of case manager to help deal with logistics, would that be a social worker? Or patient advocate? My impression is that the V.A. isn’t very well set up to help in that area (point taken that this is not about the quality of care)…I got the impression that many with brain injuries are basically left to there own devices which are not working very well. My vague idea is to provide a mini medical secretary. I don’t know.
Wordsmith @ 118
HEROES! what we want is decent people doing their best – away with this HERO nonsense. americans are always making the good and honest the enemy of the perfect – this is why all your ‘heroes’ are found to have feet of clay. you put them on pedestals, and when they fall, your opponents gloat and you shrivel with shame, and sometimes you even kick them when they’re down.
on the other hand, you have my permission to kick cheney for me when he falls….
I’ve heard that is not the case either, Ambassador.
;)
The reason why the MSM insists on saying that Plame was not covert is because they know that Cheney declassified the information and they are sticking to their story. Even though they know it is wrong. Just like they did with Clinton. Push an untrue story.
anyone know what time is lunch for the jury?
Christy:
Great post and very inspirational. You are absolutely right-we do need new heroes to make a difference after this debacle of a government. (Why is it that Democrats always have clean up GOP messes?)
The sentiment of your post cries out for a populist approach to the 08 campaign cycle. I would really like to see Edwards respond to your call and be the catalyst for a resurgence of progressive ideals and grassroots commitment from “local heroes”.
Americans need to regain confidence in the critical government institutions that look after their interests. This cynical cabal of criminals currently occupying DC have not only broken the government, they have shattered hope and belief in government. What is the next Katrina-like crisis that has to occur before the populus rises up in anger to force the restoration of competence in government?
Joe, Are you on pins and needles like the rest of us? Thank you again for your service to our great country.
Rayne @ 139
Will I see you there?
Oh shit–I meant Detroit. How about Detroit? I need a break, I guess.
squirrel hiller @
127
and beside that is the coffee mug?
Thank you for reminding me to believe…
Joe Wilson (157) — Heh. Should have set my watch by that, wondered how long before we’d get a response…although I figured it might sound more like the click of an AK-47 locking and loading.
Glad you can join us on jury watch, regards to the family.
Speaking of heroes…Mr Wilson, this must be an agonizing wait for you and your better half. Rest assured no matter happens, we got your back here at FDL!
heros?
Fitz, Joe & Valarie Wilson & everyone behind FDL and every one who stops and points out the TRUTH whenever they hear the BS that so many are spewing……
uptown @ 163
12:30
scooter = ?
James Woods
Joe Wilson @ 156
I meant no offense. I suspect that in real-life, she’s a highly-intelligent, formidable woman. I just meant that she’d be willing to act the part of the dumb blond for the good of her country.
One argument I have encountered as to Plame’s status runs that Amb. Wilson effectivly blew her cover with the Op-Ed.
IMO this is weak argument.
Wife of an Amb is reasonably good cover.
Not all covert ops are deep cover foreign nationals.
JPL @ 165
Thank you for your service to our
greatcountry. s/b Thank you for your Great service to our country.emptywheel (167) — you had me wondering if I was going to have to drive to Lansing, too!!
Yes, I’ll be in DTW, laptop and digital camera in hand, probably in the same caucus. ;-)
Edit: hey, have you heard from Frank? do you know if he’s going to be in DTW also??
Nice to see you Ambassador.
Give our best to Valerie.
We are ALL on pins and needles.
Mods, my 158 is an indignant snark at the idiocy of those who see nothing wrong with outing a covert agent. Please delete it if it doesn’t read that way. Thank you.
Chady @ 153
stage name: Bill Z. Bubb
varney @ 174
good call!
Everyone, take a slow deep breath, and slowly exhale.
Repat as needed this afternoon.
Cheney’s Betrayal is the name of this case.
He’s betrayed the United States of America and instead honored loyalty to his Halliburton stock options.
The laws of the nation will not stand in the way of a profitable quarter or two.
punaise @ 181
Maybe George Bush can play Scooter?
emptywheel @159
I could pick you up at the airport (DCA, IAD, BWI) if that helps.
you guys are all the BEST!
sophonisba at 9:26 am
I fundamentally agree with the thrust of your comment. The fact remains, however, that ordinary people do occasionally perform genuinely heroic deeds. Neither of these two great Americans had any clue what would befall them on the day that History has anointed them “heroes.”
Rosa Parks
Hugh Thompson, Jr.
global yokel @
152
In Sealed v Sealed (which indicts Cheney – but Fitzgerald bluffed into making Rove think was about him, and so Rove rolled). Emptywheel had it a loooong time ago.
bonkers @ 171
We appreciate more than we can ever appropriately say all the support.
As to being on pins and needles, we are comforted in knowing that the lesson of the trial, whatever the outcome, is that this remains a nation of laws and that no individual, however powerful, is above the law. The institutions that have grown up over the past two centuries to protect our constitution from the usurpers of power still function, and for that we should be grateful. It is why we fignt, as every generation of American has before us, to defend the liberties bequethed to us by our founding fathers.
Jane Hamsher @ 60
We wait at our computers glued to FireDogLake. The media waits at the courthouse. Where does Fitz wait? Where does Scooter Baby wait? With only fifteen minute’s notice to get to the courthouse! I wonder how Scooter is passing these hours…
scooter = gilbert godfried (short, annoying, curly hair, about the right age, hard to believe he’d land a trophy wife type)
Frank Probst @ 175
I know and took it as such. But you didn’t expect me not to reply, did you?
dan robinson @ 62
No provision for recalling a senator in CT
S.O.S. in MA @ 81
Have I mentioned recently how grateful I am that you are?
Me too…
shooter = orson wells
I know he’s been dead 20 years, but so has Dick…
First off, Liam Neeson (correct spelling) is 6′ 4″ tall. Scooter looks to me Mel Gibson height.
Second, I’m no fan of Fitzgerald (as I’ve written here before), but he has a very good record of getting guilty verdicts in cases like this one.
During the George Ryan trial there were a number of press reports that hinted that Ryan might get off — but the report back from the jury was that it was a slam dunk.
I think he will get his conviction here, as well. If the jury does a test vote today and there are no serious hiccups the verdict will come this afternoon. But my guess is that they will go over evidence through today and reach their verdict Monday or Tuesday. But if there is a dissenter, then all bets are off.
But the problems as I see it is that the indictments stop here. Fitz will walk away from the whole mess unless Scooter turns — but Scooter won’t turn. There is absolutely no leverage that Fitz has on Scooter. The sentence will be minimal, and the lecture circuit lasts forever. (I hope I’m wrong about this.)
toolpusher @ 190
He has his NASA diapers on and is ready to go at a moments notice!
Rayne @ 177
I wish they wouldn’t schedule all the good caucuses at the same time!! ANd no, I haven’t heard from Frank–though I’ve been out of the loop. His bro did come to my booksigning, or at least to the Aut Bar afterwards.
Thats what I miss the most about our current crop of politicians, the eloquence and grace shown by Joe Wilson.
Patrick Fitzgerald partisan? He goes after Dems as well as Repugs:
And on truth:
My bold.
Emptywheel,
If you want to fly to D.C., and the firedoglake funds are insufficient to pay for your flight, please let us know.
I guarantee that many of us, including myself, will be happy to kick in additional donations to get you to D.C. if you want to fly there for the verdict.
mack @ 143
She’s made a few comments about the trial.
I wish she would help us out with the classification issue, she was really ahead of the curve on that one.
toolpusher @ 189
I suspect Fitz is waiting in the room they’ve lived in at the courthouse all this time (he arranged 24/7 access to said room for the duration of the trial.
Libby’s at his lawyers (don’t know which one) which is within 15 minutes–Walton asked him to make sure.
Joe Wilson @ 189
Well said. But “guilty” would be a nice touch…
Just for the record, as a blonde, I couldn’t play dumb, even if my life depended on it.
Joe Wilson @ 191
Ever the gentleman. Your wife is a lucky woman, and suspect that you are a very lucky man. Thank you both for all that you’ve done for our country.
ew – when would you be coming back to DC? We’ve got my lab, and we’re pet sitting a boxer / dalmation (insatiably active dog) right now.
peter riggs @
115
That sounds a bit… apocryphal?
Listing an agent’s as associated with a front company seems unlikely. I mean, it would blow the cover of any ongoing front company operation to any CIA lobby visitor — that doesn’t make much sense.
*xyz @
201
I’m in.
PageUp @ 195
Scooter is my height–5′5″, a classic case of short man syndrome. Liam Neeson wouldn’t work for a variety of reasons.
Squirrel @ 88:
Scooter = Dustin Hoffman
Frank Probst @ 175
I understood that, Frank, and I think everyone here has the utmost respect for Valerie.
Ambassador Wilson, always a great honor to have you on an FDL thread.
Oh lord it’s lunchtime and some of use might just be eating at our desks.
emptywheel (198) — yeah, I hear you…I’ve been a director of the group caucusing at the same time, really should be there, but I really can’t. Wish I could send somebody to attend for me and take notes, but my compadres bailed out on me (nazgul35 claiming too much work on his dissertation).
Too much to do, not enough avatars in this lifetime. But I’m certain you know the feeling.
Joe Wilson @ 157
Thanks for jumping in on that comment.
I find it disturbing that there seems to be a need for women to be either superwomen (secret spies, great with an AK47) or Anna Nicole Smith (RIP) clones.
Where would all the bright women who attract smart men like you, but who are not CIA covert agents fit in?
And may I also add that you have no idea how many people around the world are rooting for you and Valerie.
Pat_AlexVA @ 206
If the jury doesn’t come to a verdict today, let’s touch base. McC and I’d come down, Midwestern ice storms willing.
At least I got new tires on the Civic today.
global yokel @ 152
Because there was obstruction of justice. Libby lied to the FBI and to the grand jury, and so it hasn’t yet been possible to proceed with the rest of the investigation.
Treason per se is very narrowly defined in law but there could be other appropriate charges.
Scooter = Jim Varney
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Robin Williams should play Scooter…
Seriously
Actually, acting like a “dumb” anything (blonde or not) would likely be a terrible cover in intelligence work.
Anyway, I have seen pictures of Valerie, and she could not ever look “dumb.” Its in the eyes!
Frank Probst @ 206
I honestly could not imagine anything better than being with Valerie.
BQ @ 155
irony indeed, would love to review a video… this must have been where Fitz saw a lightbulb go off in his brain…
“Madness” indeed
then the jury was wakened by the mocking, shouted “Madness, Madness”
The jury according to people in the courtroom were lagging… but not Fitz. He gathered Wells’ chestnuts for a fiery roast.
EW – ok, I assume you’ve got my e-mail. BTW – the e-mail at the next hurrah bounces (yahoo account). (My prediction window was 48 hours which passed an hour ago).
I’m a brunette and don’t have to play at being dumb. Just am.
Bionic @ 216
Valerie and I are going to be fine. What we really appreciate, in addition to the support of course, is the willingness of everybody to stand up to take our country back from the special interests (including msm) that are subverting it.
Rayne @ 191
Harvey Firestein
Scooters’ mincing smarmy sets off the gaydar
Joe Wilson @ 157
and much better with her AK-47 than her digital camera?
Bionic @ 216
They’re here at FDL.
For those wondering if McCain can be recalled there is a move to do that, and apparently it can be done because he agreed to resign if defeated in a recall election. They do require a good number of signatures before June though.
[snip}
“Although McCain is a federal officeholder not bound by the Arizona Constitution’s recall provisions, he has signed a voluntary pledge on file with the Secretary of State’s Office agreeing to resign immediately if defeated in a recall election.”
http://www.azcentral.com/news/…..l0214.html
Ambassador Wilson, any chance you will be appearing on Olberman in response to the verdict?
Amb. Wilson,
Could you give us a status report on your civil suit? thnks.
Joe Wilson @ 221
oh great, just another reason why i think I love you…..
:)
emptywheel, you’re probably all over this, but
Politics and Prose is a long time liberal bookstore on CT Avenue in DC that has “Author events” seven days a week. It looks as though their calendar is full through March, but if you know you’re going to be in DC in the future, you certainly have the pedigree that they are looking for.
Diane @ 231
If invited, probably
Tithonia @ 210
I agree – great part for a versatile actor like Dustin Hoffman – Carl Bernstein, Tootsie and Scooter!
uptown @ 232
If you go to http://www.wilsonsupport.org there are updates there. We are still committed and will go on a maor fundraising exercise as soon as the trial is over.
Re: the headline covering the article by Carol Leonnig. Christy it’s just the same old game. It’s what they tried to do to Joe Wilson, by discrediting him when he cut too close to the truth. Fitz has exposed their dark, soft underbelly. They can’t argue the facts of the case, so it’s Joe Wilson time. The stenograhy pool at your service. They are justifiably terrified of more sludge oozing from the White House. At all costs, regardless of who they destroy, they will try to stem the inevitable tide of muck being revealed. Fitz knew the risks, he has braved those hazards. The country owes him its gratitude. Whether the prosecution wins the case or not, the OVP has been exposed. That’s a win for the American people. History will show the correctness of this case, and the courage of those who sought to expose the conspiracy. Fitz is a patriot, something the White House fears.
“Ditzy blonde” is a benighted paradigm that’s been widely disclosed as fraudulent in real life by many many living examples and can now be seen only in stupid movie oldies.
everhopeful @ 236
Well speaking of Tootsie, maybe he can play Judy too.
Mr. Ambassador and Ms Plame Wilson,
My best regards – we speak of heroes and heroines here this day and you two are in the forefront.
As a fellow civil servant, I honor you for your great service to our Country.
Ambassador Wilson,
Hope you and Valerie are getting some peace in your lives with all this swirling around…
Hope to see you both @ yKos ’07.
And thanks so much.
LandOfTheFree @ 229
And they certainly seem to attract the smart men, if the mash notes some of you guys (rightly) post are anything to go by! ;o)
Get the word out to Keith O – needs to book Ambassador Wilson when the verdict comes in.
dustin hoffman can also play andrea mitchell
and, need a part for the fabulous helen mirren
I didn’t think I would have ever disagreed with Joew Wilson but sad to say, here I go;
Dick Cheney has yet to be tried, yet to be charged and only barely implicated
I will not feel the powerfull are held to the standards of law in our country unless (untill?) this man is held to account for what he has done to the Wilson’s, to the CIA, to us and to our constitution
new thread.
Joe Wilson @ 236
Wow, email updates everyone.
Joe – good to see you in the thread. Do give my best to “the wife,” would you. *g*
Fresh thready goodnesss, up and running for everyone.
emptywheel @ 173
thnks. i needed to know when it was safe for me to go to the bathroom.
The CIA referral went to Justice on September 26, 2003 and Ashcroft recused himself three months later on December 30, 2003. I think my dates are correct and we all want to be entirely fair to former Attorney General Ashcroft.
Fitz: “Untouchables” era Sean Connery
Valerie: Naomi Watts
Joe: Tim Robbins
Wells: Terence Howard
Libby: Michael Imperioli (Christopher from “The Sopranos”)
Director: Clint Eastwood
the anti-thesis @
227
There is a brief clip of Scooter that gets played on MSNBC over and over of Scooter testifying before congress.
He looks at the camera, looks up and then looks away with an impish grin like a shy Geisha girl. Everytime I see the clip I laugh out loud.
-GSD
Mr. Ambassador, some of the people here know me as a bear of little brain. So forgive me if this sounds a bit precious. Along with the ‘music-to-my-ears’ ring of the word “guilty” after the jury deliberates, I’d like to hear The People vs. Karl (aka ‘Turd Blossom’) Rove in the very near future. And I know you would, too. My fingers are crossed.
“Treason per se is very narrowly defined in law but there could be other appropriate charges.”
From Wiktionary;
treason
1. The crime of betraying one’s government.
2. Providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
If revealing the name of a nuclear counter-proliferation agent does not fit under the term “providing aid to the enemy,” I can not imagine what would.
This was treason, pure and simple, and dodging it by obscuring (Treason per se is very narrowly defined) what is a very clear definition doesn’t take away the crime, it only complicates it.
The question really is, did Cheney’s political chess-moves to promote his no-bid war, constitute betraying his country. If anyone can sonvince me that outing Valerie Plame did not give aid to the enemy, I’ll drop the treason charge, otherwise, in my personal court of legal justice (we all have one, its called a conscience) Cheney and his cabal are all traitors to America, and to their own political party. These rogues may have literally destroyed the future credibility of what really was once a Grand Old Party.
Their only clear loyalty I can find anywhere, the only ones Cheney and his crew did NOT betray, was their book-cooking bubbas on Wall Street, especially the energy sector.
It’s classically simple;
“cui bono?”
We have all been betrayed, except for Wall Street, particularly the military-industrial corporations like Halliburton, and they are certainly “cui bono.”
mack @ 176
Extremely weak.
Think of it this way, you’ve got Joe Wilson on one hand. Valerie Plame-Wilson on the other. He’s an ex-ambassador, she’s an energy consultant. There’s no connection (except the marriage) between them ‘professionally’. Mr Wilson was sent because he was familiar with Niger, etc…
Even after the op-ed, she could have continued to travel as a ‘energy consultant’ with impunity…
It’s only when the connection was made that “Wilson’s Wife” worked at the CIA that her cover was blown…
egregious @ 218
The issue currently being decided may not meet the definition of treason. However, given some of the documents presented in court during this case, I suspect that Congress might agree that “high crimes and misdemeanors” have been committed by Cheney, Rove and Libby at the very least.
I plan on contacting my Rep and Senators after the verdict is announced…
It is quite humbling to be blogging on the same pages as Ambassador Wilson.
Let me take this precious moment to personally thank you and your wife for your courage. If there’s anyone who fits the description of “heroes” it is you and your wife.
Please, Wish her the best, from all of us. My mother had TWO sets of twins, 15 years apart, so I understand how hectic her life might be these days.
If my mother was alive today, I’m sure she might add “If you think being a CIA agent is rough, try raising twins…”
[ quoting earlier posts without attribution]
movie version:
jane = nicole kidman Perfect!
marcy = barbara hershey Great!
swopa = jeff goldblum
janes dogs = muppets
arianna = meryl streep Fantastic
christy = susan sarandon
scooter = ?
scooter = liam nissan Neeson
fitz = jude law noooo
How’s about the guy from Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil…Kevin Spacey
judy miller = judy davis
judy miller = uma thurman not quite
NO, it has to be Sally Field!
Pretty great casting, but for looks (much as I love to watch Uma) I think JudyJudyJudy has to be the effervescent Sally Field! She has shown in recent years she has the range to play the topsy-turvy Miller role.
tim russert = mr potato head
Who was that guy in Independence day with Will Smith, played a drunken ex-pilot who flies a nuke right into the alien spacecraft?
He would be perrrrfet as Russert.
valerie plame = charlese theron YES, Charlize Theron
Interested Observer @ 13
when the verdict of guilty comes in, as it will, it won’t matter which day. a guilty verdict will go as close to bringing down the goverment as the constitution will allow…
I was at a bar around the corner from Fitz’s office in Chicago last night and some of the attys were talking about a website that is exclusively for lawyers and judges that is doing an in-depth analysis of the Libby trial. Does anyone have a link? I relied on my memory (after two glasses of wine, which is always a mistake) and didn’t write the www down. But it sounded very worthwhile and they were all quoting from it.
Also, I organize character development programs at colleges and one of the things I tell the students is that there is a pattern to “hero development.” One of the unavoidable tasks is to do something good regardless of the fact that it will make you a pariah. Being a pariah isn’t the goal but it always happens. Always. It’s amazing, really, except when you realize that doing the right thing tends to make the majority of people uncomfortable. I’m sure this is a lesson Fitzgerald learned long ago.
Bionic @ 243
Yeronnor, I plead Guilty! Resoundingly, happily GUILTY AS CHARGED!!
shooter: Charles Gray (Rocky Horror)
:-)
“The issue currently being decided may not meet the definition of treason.”
Thats because this issue is only about lying to a grand jury.
The treason is what the lies were intended to cover up.
I’m not suggesting Libby should be charged with treason for lying to the GJ, he and Cheney and Rove should be charged with treason for giving aid to the enemy by leaking Plame’s status. And if Novak conspired in the process, he should face charges, too.
I don’t suggest that everyone who took the bait and ran with it should be charged, but if Novak was involved in organizing a cover-up by melting his lies conveniently into everyone else’s, he is just as much a traitor as the rest of them. Excpet for Cheney, the traitor- in-chief.
JANE!
CHRISTY!
MARCY!
YEAAHHHH!
(I’m gonna be in such withdrawal from FDL addiction when this is over)
Best bet: jury’s gonna take a break fer the weekend, get it’s head together, and then return GUILTY.
I am worried about the jury. Why do they need to do any analysis at all? Isn’t the case perfectly obvious? Not sure what all their time-wasting, flip-charting is about, but could it be that there are holdouts they’re trying to convince?
Ambassador Wilson and Ms. Plame–you should pay yourselves in the movie. There is no handsomer couple in all of Hollywood.
educatedplaintiff @ 38
I hope the WaPo is getting a lot of feedback like yours. I have looked up to the Washington Post since Watergate and it was my primary paper for 20 years when I lived in suburban Maryland. I can’t tell you how disappointed I have been in the paper for the past 10 years – the past six in particular.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
MarkH @ 260
The drunken ex-pilot in Independence Day is Randy Quaid (we were in the theater department at the University of Houston at the same time) and he is a truly fine character actor. He’d make a great Russert.
MarkH @ 260
(JudyJudyJudy, emerging from jail to face a hostile press corps):
“You hate me — you really HATE me!!!”
Ya, I know, off to the new thread… :)
The URL for Dana Priest’s chat is this
Pete at 271 — Thanks much. I had that URL in my post in draft form, but it somehow disappeared when I posted. I didn’t realize it was gone until you posted the URL in the comments. Much appreciated.
I strongly echo your comment about Cheney’s intentional decimation of our working bureaucracy. Forget the legion of jokes, the resentment and snearing at bureaucrats who supposedly have little to do, but who have the most prized benefits most of us no longer have: a good pension and healthcare benefits. Most of them work hard and well, which is why Dick Cheney has worked tirelessly to punish and demoralize them, to make them powerless, and most of all, to make them leave government service.
Remember Andrew Card’s lunchtime speech a few years ago to hundreds of the best and brightest DC interns. A man who had spent his entire career working his way to the top levels of government – or government influence (eg, General Motor’s go to lobbyist in Washington). Mr. Card departed from his prepared speech and “honestly” told those would be public servants to go home. Public service was a contradiction in terms. Go to the Private Sector Young Man (and Woman), decreed our modern Horatio Alger. Only there will you find fulfillment and reward. Working for government will get you nowhere. This from a government employee, the President’s Chief of Staff, and one of the most powerful men in Washington.
On the dark side of this effort, good employees have been shorn from their union protections, their security clearances, and job responsibilities. Many have been side-stepped in the reporting and policy process – which itself has been corrupted and squeezed into the OVP’s shop. Many have been given nothing to do for months, or demoted or put under the command of inexperienced ideologues. All in the hope that they would give up and leave, allowing their posts to remain vacant, their leadership untapped, their mentoring of junior public servants undone. Their places taken by the faithful.
Why this effort, which started in January 2001? Because many of the government’s professional employees do a good job. Many know more about their one thing than anybody in the private sector or state government. Most of all, professional, well-placed bureaucrats know each other, know their facts, and know how policy is meant to be vetted – seared and roasted from many sides in private so that what makes it into adopted policy has a decent chance of being factual, logical and workable.
As such, they are the quintessential roadblocks to the creation of Dick Cheney’s fantasyworld and the implementation of his dogmatic agenda, which is why Mr. Cheney has put them on his personal endangered species list.
Interested Observer @ 13
excellent point! I couldn’t agree more!
Dee @ 269
The drunken ex-pilot in Independence Day is Randy Quaid (we were in the theater department at the University of Houston at the same time) and he is a truly fine character actor. He’d make a great Russert.
Don’t forget Samuel Jackson for Ted Wells
mbbsdphil @
273
As a 32 year civil servant – I can only say Amen!! And thank you.
squirrel hiller @ 88
How about scooter = Corbin Bernson (formerly Arnie on LA Law)?
Is this a serious conversation?
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but hearing Fred “Chairman of the Whitewater Hearings” Thompson (and member of Libby’s Defense Board) whining to the Post about the unfairness of this “out-of-control” prosecutor is hilarious.
OK Fred, let’s see: $50 million to investigate a real estate deal and a blow job, versus exposing a CIA agent under deep cover: which is the “petty political crime”?
brendan @ 279
Sadly for America, hypocrisy and self-dealing are part and parcel of the modern RW and their most ardent followers. Traits only exceeded by their resistance to logic and inconvenient facts. See Bob Altemeyer’s colloquial essay, based on his research, at the post below. [Discovered via another blog.]
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
squirrel hiller @
88
Hey, this is a stupendous idea for a game to play while we’re waiting. I think we should try to limit ourselves to living actors because it’s terribly difficult to portray a living person when you’re dead. If any could, I think Orson Wells is a lock on Dickhead Cheney and who else but Mr. High Noon himself, Gary Cooper, as Patrick Fitzgerald (instead of Gregory Peck).
How about William H. Macy as Scooter?
I think we ought to consider these living actors for some of the roles (you pick): Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Gary Oldman, Jane Fonda, Gina Gershon, Charlize Theron, Tom Hanks, Cate Blanchette, Bernard Hill, Ian McKellen, Liam Neeson, Ralph Fiennes, Ben Kingsley, Jack Nicholson, Benicio Del Torro, Kevin Spacey, Jean Reno, Sigourney Weaver, Jennifer Connelly, Ellen Burstyn, Steve Buscemi, Harvey Keitel, Tim Roth, Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci, F. Murray Abraham, Lee Ermey (the drill sgt. in Full Metal Jacket), Jake Gyllenhaal, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Christopher Walken, Carol Kane, and Robin Wright Penn.
Frank Probst @
70
David Corn @ The Nation posted September 6, 2006
Ambassador Wilson, I realize that it is a tired patriarchal archetype, but that doesn’t stop me from believing of your wife is a superhero. No attempt to relegate you to sidekick status is intended.
Keep up the good work.
“Give my f*ckin’ Scooter back into my f*ckin’ hands!!”
Gnome de Plume @
56
The original quote was “Poor New Mexico, so far from heaven, so close to Texas” by the Governor who write “Ben Hur” whose name excapes me this moment. Lew Wallace?
Alright, if you must make a movie of this then I suggest the following . . .
Ray Bolger: Scooter
Jack Haley: Fitz
Frank Morgan: Dick Cheney
Margaret Hamilton: Judith Miller
Burt Lahr: Tim Russert
Judy Garland: Marcy
IowaDem @ 277
Shooter = How bout the guy who played Fred Mertz(yeah, I know he’s dead)
Don’t know if anyone has realized this, but this entire investigation is going to be a Kevin Costner movie, coming soon to a theatre near you. Imagine Kevin’s mocking ‘madness! madness! madness!’ academy award-winning delivery.
Who would play Dick Cheney? Condi? Rummy? …and the rest (as they say in the 1st season of Gilligan’s Island).
I hear they’re just finishing up the script now.
I really should refresh more often.
uptown @
133
shooter=Peter Lourey(sp)
I wanted to address Christy’s point about the destruction of our civil service. She mentioned the the CIA, but recently I’ve heard similar stories of resignations (or long time employees being fired or forced out) in other agencies, a la, DOJ, FEMA and Homeland Security. In addition to the dumbing down of our agencies, is the renewed emphasis on “privatization”. For example the No Child Left Behind act has been described as a huge shift in funding away from public schools and toward private corporations who ostensibly are assisting struggling schools, teachers, administrators and parents in educating children . . . . Similarly, Homeland Security appears to be following a similar tact in paying private companies to do work of little or no value to the country’s security. This administration has set us back twenty years!
PageUp @
286
Robert Redford = Bob Woodward
RE: my post at 291; had I taken the time to read deeper into the earlier posts I would have seen Former Fed’s post at 276 and mbbsdphil @
273. mbbsdphil said it best. Thanks.
in the loop @
262
Mark Twain said, “Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.”
Christy at 272 – you are welcome.
I liked your analysis of Dana’s comments.
In addition I would like to state that per Murray Waas – Ashcroft had a deep interest in the case and he sought regular briefings. Link