And now, sit back and take a little breather with a fantastic and completely unscripted promo video of Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell from the days when the voice was more important than the entourage. Every once in a while, I find a YouTube gem that I just have to share with everyone else. Love, love, love this one.
This morning's bit of jury news (fresh off Pacer and courtesy of reader TiredFed): the jury has requested (1) a large flip chart; (2) masking tape; and (3) post-it notes. Boo yah! It's an active, detail-oriented and organized jury. Gotta love it.
Sometimes, you just need to strip away all the flash and razzle dazzle, and look at things for what they are at the bare minimum. Get straight to the core, to the heart of whatever it is that you are contemplating. Here's hoping that the Libby jury has an opportunity to do just that throughout their deliberations — looking solely at the facts and testimony that have been put into evidence throughout the course of the trial. The judge's staff has put together binders of copies of the evidence, along with the jury instructions and other pertinent materials for each individual juror. They will also have the original pieces of evidence to see as well.
Things like Vice President Cheney's handwriting on the Wilson op-ed from 7/6/03 — you know, the one that talks about "the wife" and junkets. And all of Libby's handwritten notes, scrawled out across lots and lots of newspaper clippings and daily meeting notes — days and days of clippings and notes over weeks of time – zeroing in on how to rebut the criticism of the Vice President and the Bush Administration and their run-up to the war in Iraq. And the lies that were sold to the American public to get us there.
I'm still puzzling over why the defense team kept bringing back in the political elements to put them front and center in the jury's mind for deliberations. Perhaps it was because there was no realistic way to get them NOT to think about it — in trial work, sometimes your best defense against a bad fact is to get it out on your terms and hope like hell it sticks with the jury that way, so there may have been some measure of that going on during summations.
But the bottom line on all of this is: stripped to it's bare minimum, and looking at all of the facts in evidence, what will the jury see? I know what I see, but I have been immersed in the facts of this case for months and months of research and digging, not just what is in evidence in the case, but all of the surrounding information as well.
For any number of folks on the jury who were not news junkies, who were not all that politically interested, however, a lot of this information is new, and fresh, and not given any real historical context in terms of the wider pictures and machinations and such.
What will they see?
We'll know soon enough when a verdict is reached by the members of the jury. But, until then, it is worth thinking long and hard about what this trial has laid out for everyone — inside and outside the courthouse — to see in the full light of day. In political terms, it is this: the Vice President of the United States has been running a shadow national security agency, that has had broad and irrefutable impact on the day to day operations of our intelligence and military policymaking, at all levels of government. And I have never, ever seen something at this level from the Vice President's office — an office that generally is more concerned with attending funerals and making trips on behalf of the President's interests.
It is worth asking, over and over again, was this power formally delegated to Dick Cheney by George Bush, a sort of abdication of the national security portfolio — a tasking, if you will, to someone else? Or was Dick Cheney doing this all on his own? Oughtn't we start asking those questions. Soon. Because it seems to me that there are an awful lot of clouds over the Bush Administration, and a bunch of them appear to have Dick Cheney's name written all over them. From Sidney's Salon article today:
"It's not he said, she said," Fitzgerald declared. On the courtroom screen appeared the eight people with whom Libby had discussed Plame nine times. "It's he said, he said, he said, she said, she said, she said, he said, he said. Is this the greatest coincidence in the world?"
"One of the myths is that Wilson's wife is not important." For Cheney and Libby "she wasn't a person. She was an argument. She was a fact to use against Wilson."
The defense left virtually untouched the many witnesses corroborating that Libby sought Plame's identity and spread it. Now Fitzgerald reviewed their unimpeached testimony. Point by point, Fitzgerald deconstructed Cathie Martin's talking points dictated by Cheney, getting down to the irreducible nub of Cheney's obsession, handwritten on a copy of Wilson's New York Times Op-Ed article: "Or did his wife send him on a junket?"
Speaking rapidly in order to fit all his facts into the hour allotted to him, Fitzgerald did not slow his clipped delivery as he came to the most dramatic statement of the trial. "You just think it's coincidence that Cheney was writing this?" he asked rhetorically, before answering his own question. "There is a cloud over the vice president. He wrote on those columns. He had those meetings. He sent Libby off to the meeting with Judith Miller where Plame was discussed. That cloud remains because the defendant obstructed justice. That cloud is there. That cloud is something that we just can't pretend isn't there."
"That cloud" was like the sudden appearance of a thunderhead over the proceedings and the administration. In no uncertain terms, in his most public statement, Fitzgerald made clear that he believed that Cheney was the one behind the crime for which he was prosecuting Libby. It was Cheney who was the boss, Cheney who gave the orders, and Cheney to whom Libby was the loyal soldier, and it is Cheney for whom Libby is covering up. (emphasis mine)
Sidney's description of the Fitz rebuttal highlights one of my favorite moments of the day on Tuesday — the "he, said, he said, she said, he said…", all the way around the effective graphic that the government used repeatedly as its primary slide for the jury. One point on that graphic — the two CIA officers who testified, Grenier and Schmall, were represented on the slide with the shield of the CIA, not with photographs — every other person was represented by a headshot photograph. It was a small reminder of the importance of shielding these national security officers with care from the government — yet another careful and deft touch, and one to which there was no objection that I heard or saw from Team Libby.
Jeralyn and I talked about this at lunch, and both of us agreed that had we been defense counsel, we would likely have raised an objection on that at some point, just because it was such a reminder to the jury, over and over again on the visual, that the CIA officers deserved protection. Jane, Marcy, Jeralyn and I all agreed that it was a great move by the government's attorneys and we were wondering who of the jury would have caught it — or if it was such an understated and subtle reminder that the impression would have simply been left for the jury, without them even realizing where and why.
Just an interesting footnote, perhaps, but sometimes trials can be won and lost on such careful reminders. But, ultimately, it will be up to the jury as to how they take that and every other impression and piece of information back to the jury room for their deliberations.
Anyway, hope you enjoy the YouTube — who doesn't love a little Marvin Gaye? If you've found a fave lately, please share it in the comments. Enjoy!
Related posts:
- Could Cheney’s Lawyer’s Leak Break through the Cloud over Cheney?
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- Cheney’s Lawyer Already Leaked the Content of Cheney’s “Privileged” Interview
- The Taxpayers Paid Dick Cheney’s Personal Defense Attorney to Obstruct Any Inquiries Into His Crimes
- BREAKING: Cheney FBI Interview Notes Released





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Fitz!
Why did Fitz point so many arrows directly at the VP, but not file charges? Is this to set up discussion that may result in charges or impeachment?
I’ve been trying to work today, but these stand out wrt the Sidney article:
He {Wells} ridiculed Russert: “I don’t recall! I don’t recall! I don’t recall!” He called NBC “not a friendly network … It was Wilson’s home spot!”
Jeffress said “You can’t take anything in these newspaper articles as true,” he said. “Maybe some journalists wish you could. But you can’t.”
This extraordinary defense — that nothing in any newspaper can be considered true — was the reductio ad absurdum of the Bush administration’s use and abuse of the press corps. Having manipulated it to plant stories on weapons of mass destruction to legitimize the Iraq war, Libby, who was centrally involved in those disinformation efforts, was reduced to defending himself on the basis that newspapers cannot be trusted to publish the truth.
snip
As usual, Bushco wants it both ways. Don’t belive newspapers, believe newspapers.
Hot times
Karmically Laden with Goodness:
Christy, you ask
My guess is yes, it was delegated because, you know, the chimp would rather ride his bicycle than worry about “stuff”.
I believe the point is that they need to convict Libby on his testimony before they can go after Cheney. If Libby’s testimony isn’t perjury beyond a reasonable doubt, it protects Cheney. But then, IANAL—I’m assuming that Libby’s GJ testimony could be used by the defence in a Cheney trial.
God bless FDL. News! /pacesdrumsfingers
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“Or was Dick Cheney doing this all on his own?”
Well, now, who picked Dick for the job in the first place? Talk about self-fulfilling profits…
If Libby is found guilty and this whole thing stops there- I don’t foresee much long term impact. There have been many revelations about the Bush administration during the trial- but none of em have caught fire or effected even poll ratings. Cable news channels are getting some coverage- but they cover Anna Nicole Smith with five times more energy.
If, on the other hand, Fitz goes after Cheney- then you’ve got a blockbuster. I put the odds at way less than fifty fifty- but that’s the only move that can make a difference. Even a Rove trial isn’t going to move the needle much.
Bustednuckles @ 1
FEAR NOT, IT IS AT HAND!
Terry in Maryland @
3
Fitz takes seriously the prosecutor’s mantra not to charge something you can’t prove. From his summation, he thinks he knows a lot more than he’s charged to date, especially with regard to Cheney.
Obviously, one tactic is to get Libby to flip. Didn’t happen before the trial, hasn’t happened now that the arguments are done, and until we hear from the jury, it’s not likely that Scooter’s going to change his mind. Should he be convicted, I’m sure Fitz will be asking for his cooperation once again.
But along with this, I’m wondering about Fitz getting more journalistic cooperation. If Scooter is found guilty of lying, then it makes it easier (in my book) for a journalist to open up without jeopardizing their allegiance to sources. In fact, nothing could strengthen their relationship with sources more than being able to say “look, I’ll protect your identity, but if you’re lying to me or trying to spin me, you’re going pay for it.”
The DC press corps has a black eye, and those with spines will be anxious to remove it.
Christy:
Great post as usual. You mean Sidney’s Salon article, don’t you?
Correction: Sid’s article was on Salon, not Slate.
It’s absurd to think that Bush didn’t know what was going on with this issue- I don’t believe it for a minute- but ya can’t indict him- and no one’s gonna spill the beans about him.
Cheney’s the best shot.
Just dropping a line to say that many of us are following every word on FDL even when we don’t have time to post.
Incredible stuff.
Biodun at 13 — I did. Dammit, I always do that when I’m tired. Will fix it.
Masking tape? Does this mean they plan to bind and gag the lone wingnut?
This seems appropriate waiting for the jury and living through a senseless war. Marvin Gaye singing ‘What’s Going On?.’ Has there ever been a better male vocal performance?
This is really great.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s
Prof @ 16
Yes, or don’t feel smart or witty enough to post. Just basking in the brilliance of others here. Thank you thank you thank you.
EPU’d from prev thread:
Marie Roget @ 36
Of course, verdict watch. Plenty of online editing work to keep me occupied, though. FDL remains open in the corner on my screen for any updates…
Yabbut yabbut, FDL — (being a simple blog, unlike whatever is driving HufPo) — just sits there until you explicitly think to Refresh; that’s the only way you’ll learn from here that a verdict impends.
What I do is leave the FDL “gabbly chat” window
open with its “enter/exit” (the two-feet icon at the bottom of the gabbly window) and “new post” (the leetle bell icon next to it) functions turned ON. (Of course, I also leave my computer’s speakers ON and loud enough to hear from elsewhere in my house)…
So, when verdict stuff begins to happen, and in the hopes that “the usual gang” gathers over in GabblyVille, :) (heyo Rayne, Shez, halobeam, cbl, Mr.Murder, Cletus, Pat_AlexVA, Lindy, jeffreyw, Lindy, KestrelBrighteye, LaFourmiRouge, leinie, Neil, TJ, Strategerie, Aaron G Stock, … sorry if I forgot to mention YOU :) ) my computer will begin to beep and boop at me, recruiting my attention. QED, problem solved. I’ll be there if and when the jury returns its verdict! ‘Cause Gabbly is “push-based” rather than “pull-based” as the web normally is.
Gabbly is a fun kinda chat-app. Using it doesn’t burden FDL’s servers at all. It’s a good place to discuss any sort of Libby-related stuff at a far faster pace than is possible in these threads.
Rayne introduced it and imho it’s cool. Sometimes we get harrassed by hackers, in which case we retreat to a private redoubt. Others of us know how to get its URL to you without publishing it here. If you need its URL, please post your request in an FDL comment string.
If you wanna “listen and wait for the news and join in the gabble” when the verdict hits, C U over in chat-land. Remember, because Gabbly runs on a completely other server somewhere on the ‘net, using it takes some of the heavy load off the FDL servers!
Hint: Use two browser windows. Put the above URL in one, and the real FDL (this one) in the other. Position the windows where you can see both the chat about FDL and the real FDL. (Remember to turn Gabbly’s sounds and your computer’s sound on, and loud enough to wake the dead… :) Refresh only the REAL FDL window.
Go jury, give us back the truth! All hail Fitz and the entire (((FDL Crew))), additional best loyal vibes to ((((Jane)))) — and Godspeed to us all.
I’d call that good news. Well, depending on the current state of your cuticles, that is.
it seems to me that there are an awful lot of clouds over the Bush Administration, and a bunch of them appear to have Dick Cheney’s name written all over them.
You’re so right, especially in all aspects of US foreign affairs. About the only Bush disaster which doesn’t lead directly to the shooter’s door is the Katrina response. But maybe I’m missing something on that one.
rw, do you see Congress subpoenaing Scooter’s testimony?
ooo, post it notes!
they ARE getting BUSY!
awww. *blushing*
chaboard @ 18
That should make it easier to identify him/her at verdict time.
Secure Nancy’s protective secretservice shell.
Impeach the 2 whutzthurnamzits.
… but 1st things 1st.
… c’mon! hurryup wit’ th’ chart ‘n stickinotes!!!
Ab-DICK-cation.
-GSD
rwcole @ 15
Of course he knew. While probably this won’t offically touch him it will be another pie in his face. His good RightWingNut friends will have a fun time explaining that the Prez lied for the “good” of the country(even though we know it was to cover his butt).
I would not have objected if I were Libby’s attorneys because then I really think that would have given Fitz the opportunity to verbally explain why they were there as a shield instead of a photo which definitely would have reminded the jury.
Damme, B&N just called to tell me that Marcy’s book has arrived, and I gots to go out & glom it. Just my luck, the verdict will come in then. But since the jury just ordered flipcharts and post-its, I guess I have a couple hours at least… :)
Terry in Maryland @ 3
you know, it is crystal clear fitz has the goods on cheney
it was obvious I guess to fitz that the gray mail defense would render his indictment futile
however, it is my beleif he should have charged the vice president anyway, let every bit of evidence become public and force a resignation graymail defense or not
Ed*ard Teller @ 23
Blackwater and other Haliburton contractors.
Prof!
Long time no see. Miss ya.
From the “conservative” NYSun:
The sad thing about all this is that by lying to the GJ and the FBI, by obstructing justice, Libby prevented Fitz from going after bigger fish.
ET,
Katrina is at Bush’s and Rove’s feet. Expedite help to Haley Barbour in Mississippi, put up roadblocks for Blanco in LA. Make the female, Democrat look incompetent, make Barbour, the former tobacco lobbyist, turned GOP chairman, turned Governor look responsive.
Brownie said this was the plan. This is why Bush was knocked back so far, he knew his complicity in this atrocity and he realized it for a moment.
-GSD
I think the only defense Scooter would allow was the ‘duped’ defense. The beauty of that is, if he is found not guilty the jury is saying he was duped by the real criminals. Then there comes the question of “When the president(or VP)does it, that means that it is not illegal” a question for Congress.
If on the other hand, he is found guilty, the corporate media might actually start speculating on the motivation of the criminals instead of the motivation of the prosecutor.
Ed*ard Teller @ 23
Actually, Mr. Teller, you are.
Not to get all meteorological, but essentially what happened is that the enormous gusts of hot air emanating from the OVP, collided with the cold front shown by members of the administration to the poor and resulted in a mighty wind that we called Katrina.
In layman’s terms, that is.
I will be crushed if Scooter skates.
Ed*ard Teller @ 23
Katrina (or FEMA/disaster response) wasn’t a profit center for Bushco, so NOBODY was in charge. Cheney certainly wasn’t going to concern himself with something that would help the American people. And Chimpie was too busy riding his bike.
If the testimony in this trial exposes high crimes and miscemeanors by Cheney, wouldn’t it be the obligation… nay, the PATRIOTIC DUTY of our newly elected Congress to impeach?
And could they hire Fitz to perform that task, his future at Justice might be in queston, he may soon be getting “albertoed” (meaning; booted out the DOJ back door while no one is watching) shortly after Libby’s fate is sealed, I think he would make a great Special Prosecutor, give him as much money as they gave Ken Starr and we’ll have the best show in town, watching Cheney et al go down.
(I’m having trouble turning off the rhyming instinct today.)
Any guess on which juror is the foreman?
How far will GONZALEZ let Fitzie go? Remember Fitz is a working U.S. Attorney albeit with a special portfolio. He is NOT an independent counsel. He can be fired by the U.S. Attorney General. Remember Archibald Cox, Bork, et al. Sure, there will be a firestorm with consequences. But you know, even tho we are passionately engrossed with Irve Lewis Libby, Jr., the rest of our fellows, thanks to MSM are engrossed with who gets possession of the decomposing body of the blond bimbo.
Los Diablo at 31 — Normally, at least in the federal court cases I’ve done anyway, there are hearing prior to trial with regard to proposed exhibits so that both sides get to see them and lodge objections and such. It’s possible that Team Libby did see and object and Walton overruled, in which case, we would likely have seen Team Libby re-enter their objection for the record at the conclusion of the summations. But they did not do so. It’s possible that there was no pre-trial haggle over exhibits — but I have to think that Judge Walton went throug most of them, just due to national security concerns if nothing else.
I think youare correct that doing so on the record in front of the jury might draw attention to something they might not want overly emphasized. But I was looking at it from my pre-trial exhibit review perspective, I suppose, and it seemed odd that there was no renewed objection on the record for that, if so. Maybe Walton wants them vouching the record on things like that in writing, I dunno.
Of course it is to set up impeachment or resignation. Libby is facing 30 years and he is guilty! guilty! guilty! of lying under oath. Once he cuts a deal to testify against Cheney, it is over for the VP. Then the Christmas pardons. This jury will decide the political future of the Bush Administration. Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! (to quote Doonesbury) Firedog’s coverage kept this on the front burner with the MSM quoting mere-bloggers, because they were too busy with Briteny’s head and neither regions, Anna Nichole Smith’s dead body, and other breaking “news”. Firedog recorded history that will effect the future of the whole world, the begining of the fall of the House of Bush. You deserve a Pulitzer.
Seiously, though, Katrina response WAS affected by the policies advocated by the Vice-President becuase the National Freakin’ Guard was sent to Iraq to police a gaddam civil war.
He doesn’t get a pass on that one.
Hell, at this point I don’t give him a pass when the cat farts.
More from the NYSun, this time, speculating:
Is it really possible that Fitz could go after Cheney later, when the latter leaves office?
For those who didn’t see Jeralyn’s post on how she’s conflicted at the outcome of this trial, I highly recommend reading it. She makes some very good points about how Libby might be acquited, and perhaps should be acquited of the charges he’s facing. While you might not want to read her sobering post, you should. She provides a very different point of view that the jury may very well agree with.
Jeralyn: Missing the Forest from the Trees
This morning, I’m picturing Marcy with her hands resting on velvet pillows while she’s sipping some yummy coffee drink through a long straw.
I’m hoping all the bloggers here are preparing scripts for both scenarios
it’s gonna be pretty darned tough on the progressives if libby’s exonerated…pretty darned tough
and if there are guilty verdicts, then we’re gonna have to have scripts for the attacks and the whurlitzer trying to make this mountain into a mole hill
start writing your scripts for both scenarios guys cuz it’s gonna be a firestorm either way
dalloway @ 41
And playing air guitar, and playing “Happy Kissy Birthday to You” for Fatface McCain, and pretending he was a fireman, and dreaming of getting messed up and sleeping it off on Trent lott’s porch, and posing like old Adolf in the false light of a cathedral lit by the only Louisiana National Guard generators not redeployed from the Mississippi to the Tigris River.
Libby won’t roll on them. He’s a “company man”; not just a bureaucrat. He’s a PNAC punk. He hasn’t just consumed the Kool-Aid; he’s one of the guys with the recipe.
From Russia With Love…I really like this article.
Especially the last 3 paragraphs:
dalloway @ 41
Although the Bush cronies jumped on it after the fact. “Faith-based” groups were given millions to be care providers in the region – and this money has not been tracked or regulated.
Also, didn’t many of Cheney’s buddies get cleanup & rebuilding contracts? I thought I’d read that some division of Halliburton/KBR got their fingers firmly in the post-Katrina pie.
politicalpolyanna @ 53
I do not believe this is correct
these are all cowards, rove definitely rolled, that’s one of the reasons fitz got everything he had, cheney would role, bolton is rolling.
the pnac are not only cowards, they are morons as well and every one of them jumped ship on bush blaming him for the failure in iraq and self exonerating their own sorry moronic opnions
is libby different then the rest of these cowards?
not likely
ccmask @ 43
My guess would be the person that inspired the Valentine’s Day t-shirts. (Someone said he was a school teacher?)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 44
Thanks…that makes sense.
All the difference in the world between SPECIAL and INDEPENDENT counsel. SPECIAL means especially assigned to a case, still monitored and works for justice department and Gonzales. INDEPENDENT means outside the authority of the Executive branch, that is Gonzales and Bush, and monitored by a judicial panel.
Ken Starr was an Independent Counsel. I think the law authorizing Independent Counsel was allowed to lapse b/c they thought Starr went too far.
Well I saw Marvin and Tami at Steel Pier in Atlantic City. Few voices blend together this well
Another duo to check out is Emmly Lou Harris and Gram Parsons…Wow
perris @ 51
Yes, yes, yes. (read Jeralyn’s post, as linked in #49.) We need to remember that we’ve viewed all of the testimony from a biased POV, and we’ve also been privy to a lot more detail and behind-the-scenes info than the jury has.
This case may not be nearly as clear-cut as it appears to us.
Who else thinks Fitz was absolutely BRILLIANT to slap up all those arrows pointed directly at shooter, without having to risk attempting an indictment?
Fitz very successfully marshalled tons of negative public opinion even more strongly focussed on shooter than it already was, & not a whiff of sympathy anywhere to be had. *sniffle*
BRAVO for FITZ!
May not get an indickment, but might bump shooter’s @## right outta office, i’m-a thinkin’, &/or make it real real hard for Ma & Pa ever to trust the crooks in with which he slithered.
mebbe those were real tears at the libbytable, heh. but for what? whom?
…. make a list. I’ll get the stickinotes ;->
LandOfTheFree@49:
I read Jeralyn’s post and could sympathize with her point of view for most issues except for Libby’s conversation with Russert. That is not a matter of Libby “forgetting”, it is a matter of him fabricating. If Wells@Co. could have established that Russert was informed about Plame by someone else prior to talking to Scooter, there could be reasonable doubt. They did not. Although Libby’s story regarding Russert is “conceivable,” it is NOT “reasonable.”
Thinking about what the jury has requested:
“(1) a large flip chart; (2) masking tape; and (3) post-it notes”
Anyone think they’re working up a timeline? And that would lead to a pretty obvious “guilty” in my mind…
perris @ 56
Here’s the original signatories to the PNAC manifesto. So who’s turned so far?
Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
Lewis “Scooter” Libby
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz
The list of wannabe signatories is rather long.
Scroll down to the picture of Fitz and see what Steve Gilliards thoughts are.
http://www.thenewsblog.net/
I’ve learned never to try and second guess a jury. I know how I am seeing the evidence and the information, but I’m looking at it from a much broader context than the narrow window they will have been given at trial.
So yes, looking at the case from ALL sides is always useful. But then, over the time that I worked in the criminal law arena, I learned that in large part, juries often get things right on the whole — but when you look at the micro level, things sometimes get messed up on a case by case basis. It’s one of those “are you looking at the forest or the trees” sorts of things, I think, when you analyze the system. But it is a very good sign that they jury is asking for materials to really dig in and work on the evidence — I like that in a jury. A lot.
Barbour, the former tobacco lobbyist, turned GOP chairman
The one who took campaign money from the Red Chinese for the RNC? Talented crook.
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derris @ 56
But Rove only gave up Libby who in the heirarchy of Darth Dick’s evil empire is merely a stormtrooper. Libby is right about one thing; he WAS sacrificed for the common cause. He’ll take his conviction and then his pardon.
I use to hope for JUST ONE person to grow a backbone, conscience or combination of the two and step up to expose these bastards for what they really are; amoral, souless, evil cretins who would slit their own mothers’ throats for power and wealth. Sadly, I’ve given up on that hope and have to seek what comfort I can from the fact that they will burn in Hell. There is no plea-bargaining at the Gates.
chaboard @ 18
Surely they’d want the traditional duct tape for that? Masking tape doesn’t have any strength.
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Some of my commute-mates were talking about how Bush will be remembered as a ‘good president’ because he kept ‘them’ away from ‘us’. I spoke up and objected, loudly, to that, saying that he’d lied to get us into a war, and they needed to know it.
JEP @
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CHENEY PICKED CHENEY FOR THE JOB! FOR A MONTH HE PRETENDED TO ADVISE GWBUSH ABOUT VP SELECTION. THEN HE ANNOUNCED HIMSELF. THEN HE HAD TO GET A COURT TO DECLARE HIS “LEGAL” RESIDENCE WAS NOT TEXAS – BUT WYOMING- SO HE COULD BE VP.
From day one, I have thought the first article of impeachment should be GWBush’s surrender to the VP all the presidential powers except public posturing.
“Let American be America again/the land that never was but must be….” Langston Hughes
Scarebaby @ 63
Either a timeline or a flowchart (maybe the two amount to the same thing for present purposes). And yes, I think it’s a good vibe for the prosecution. It can’t go well for Scooter to have the jury laying out the chain of events his defense tried so hard to muddle.
sonate @ 63
Bingo
Oh, and FWIW, Jeralyn, Jane, Marcy, Pach, Sidney and I had a very spirited discussion at lunch over the Russert issue that she argues in her post. And I stil think she’s wrong — and looking at it from defense counsel perspective in terms of best case scenario arguments for the defense case. But, frankly, you do not know what will capture an individual juror in terms of information — so you HAVE to look at it from all sides in the evaluation.
I see Libby’s conduct as a pattern of behavior, repeatedly, obfuscating on the issue of learning Valerie’s name from Cheney, and his whole weirdly fabricated story once he settled on Russert as a personal scapegoat. No one ever said that most criminals are smart — usually, they concoct absolutely idiotic cover-up stories that are absolutely ludicrous. I do think, if you look back at the timeline of when Libby first came up with Russert’s name being the same time that Ashcroft had his hands on the investigation, that Fitz and Zeidenberg were absolutely right — he never in a million years thought that anyone would push past the initial barrier to speak with journalists and get them to reveal that the conversations Libby was reporting on were, in fact, completely made up half-truths or outright lies.
He never counted on prosecutors coming in to back up the FBI and actually DO the whole job. Thus the stupid lies.
QuintonCompson @ 68
What about Barbour? That is my esteemed (ahem, ahem) governor you are talking about. Just happened to see his name in your post.
In case anyone is curious about what the jury is up to right now, I found an interesting article about jury deliberations that I wanted to share.
Apparently, there is an organizatino known as the Jury Research Institute, which, among other things, convenes mock trials for juries and then monitors their deliberations afterward. Fascinating stuff. Here’s a bit from the article:
“In looking at the panel as a whole, the relative participation of each group member will fall into three broad categories. Generally, on any panel of 12 individuals, social science research has revealed that there tends to be three or four “persuaders” in the group. These individuals make over 50% of the affirmative statements during the deliberations. They tend to be the ones who build coalitions and are responsible for most of the introduction of new issues for the jury’s consideration. Thus, although there might be “one foreperson” the focal discussions are really devided amongst the three or four persuaders. In fact, when a foreperson is ineffective in handling the organization of the deliberations, a secondary foreperson tends to emerge informally and take on the role of the foreperson, without ever actually being identified as such. The next group of individuals in the jury deliberation room are the “participants.” These six to eight individuals tend to be active and participate in the discussions, but they usually have opinions in reaction to statements made by the leaders. They tend to be the joiners, and will follow and support other members, but generally don’t tend to build coalitions themselves. Finally, there is a group of three or four individuals known as the “non-participants.” These individuals are uninterested in being on the jury, and/or are uncomfortable speaking up. Their primary concerns are, “How long is this going to take?,” and “If you need another vote to get a majority, you can count me in.” Thus, an awareness of the relative role of each juror may be helpful for counsel in tailoring closings and narrowing the size of the target audience that must be deeply engaged in counsel’s argument.
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[J]urors…often will start with a complete review of the verdict form, although jurors won’t necessarily start with question number one. Rarely are words like “preponderance of the evidence,” or “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt” uttered during jury deliberations. Instead we hear phrases like, “Well, do you think the plaintiff is entitled to anything?,” “Well, does it seem like this is a bad product?” “Well, what’s your inclination? Are we going with the plaintiff or the defendant?” Observers rarely hear a juror say, “Do you feel the evidence presented establishes the liability of the defendant by a preponderance of the evidence?” Attorneys often speak to one another with references to the burden of proof, and whether there is sufficient evidence to “prove up a point.” In particular, when there are different standards of proof required (e.g., clear and convincing evidence), attorneys feel more anxious over whether they will reach this “threshold” with jurors. As a matter of course, jurors rarely make distinctions along these lines. Their evaluations are from a perspective of what is “fair” and what is “right,” or how the case “ought to come out.” They do not weigh evidence against some legalistic scale of “clear and convincing evidence” versus “preponderance of the evidence.”
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It is interesting to note that jurors are very willing to interpret the evidence. Rather than accepting the conclusions presented by witnesses, jurors generally feel they have sufficient expertise to be able to judge the issues themselves. This is especially true when “experts” emerge on the jury panel. These tend to be individuals who have some experience, however remote, with the issues at hand, and therefore assert some unusual authority in the jury deliberation. For example, on many breach of contract cases we have seen jurors with experience signing a sales contract to purchase their home use this as the basis for their “expertise” on commercial construction contracts. Attorneys need to be on the lookout during jury selection for background experiences among jurors that may remotely touch upon the issues in the case. If it is a product defect case, it is important to find out if jurors have ever asserted any complaints to a manufacturer, whether they have ever returned a product to a store for a refund, and certainly whether they have ever been exposed to any type of dangerous situation they thought could have been the fault of a product. Counsel needs to know who the potential “experts” in the deliberation room might be. Over and over, we see jurors discount the conclusions of the experts by saying that each side hired their own gun. They do, however, take into account what the experts say. Therefore, whether your expert has better credentials than an opposing expert may not be as important as the expert’s ability to communicate effectively. The expert who can actually teach the jurors the issues and make a technical case understandable to lay individuals, will be the one most mimicked in the jury deliberation room. In fact, if an expert can use analogies that fit with jurors’ everyday experiences to explain theories of liability, he or she is likely to be quoted often in the jury deliberation room. Unfortunately, it is not necessarily the most knowledgeable expert who is the most persuasive. Rather, it is the expert who can create the most comprehensible sound bites for the jury to embrace.”
Here’s a link to the full article:
http://www.jri-inc.com/article3.htm
Jane has one up at Huffpo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..41843.html
CHS @ 45 – You are correct. Everything that is put in to evidence is supposed to be vetted pre-trial.
P J Evans @ 70
I’d argue that such a simplistic “us-them” perspective on the world and foreign relations is how we got into such a mess in the first place. I’m sure your commute-mate is a nice enough person individually, but just because such a dichotomy is easier to think (or not think) about doesn’t make it right.
Meanwhile, BBC focuses on the following:
For the prosecutor:
For the defense:
Christy, do you think it was risky for Fitzgerald to bring the OVP into the closing?
Scooter didn’t take the stand.Wells faked emmotions.No evidence to support Wells opening statements about scapegoating.To non-legal minds like the jury,I think these points undermine the credibility of the defense.
I’ve heard a lot about the Bush loyalty oath and I also know of someone who had to sign it just to help out on the campaign. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it though. Anyone?
OldCoastie @ 25
LOL – Are there consultants in the jury? Flip charts & post it notes – staples of a consultant’s diet. And clearly, with masking tape, they’ll be taping flip chart pages all over the jury deliberations room.
(Wish I was a fly on the wall.)
EPU at 78 — Thanks. It’s been a couple of years since I’ve tried a case (since The Peanut was born), but I didn’t think that the rules would have changed on that. It is done pre-trial to avoid having something prejudicial show up directly in front of the jury and then having the judge have to try an unring the bell with a cautionary instruction — something that is very difficult to do especially when you are dealing with a visual impression on a slide or something like that. I could not imagine that Judge Walton and both sides of this case, with all of the national security materials floating around in it, wouldn’t have gone over every exhibit with a fine toothed comb prior to any of them being shown publicly. (The CIA attorneys alone would have had a field day with that, I’m sure, vetting everything with their black markers.)
dab from CT @ 84
Speaking of [S]taples, would that make FDL count as the “Easy Button”?
Tithonia at 81 — I don’t think Fitz had a choice in rebuttal, because Wells did quite a bit of discussion on it during his final stab at summations after Jeffress also mentioned Cheney. Wells went on for quite a while about Cheney and Iraq and political issues, and I think Fitz had to address it somewhere — mainly because it went to the heart of Libby’s motive to obstruct, and the jury needed that piece of the puzzle after Wells’ tap dance around it.
My own wild-assed guess:
The jurors already know what verdict they want to return. They’re trying to make sure it’s absolutely airtight, with no cracks through which an appeal could successfully be forced through.
Hence, the flip charts, Post-It notes, and masking tape.
Timeline from NYT
NYT has a ‘diary’ of LibbyFest. Haliburton has secured a supply of magnifying glasses available for a reasonable $950.99 or at your nearby Target Dollar Spot.
Cozumel @ 73
But somehow Wells was able to sneak into his summation the argument, albeit strained, that Russert could have gleaned the information from the AP wires.
As Fitz argued, though, you don’t have to believe Russert to find that Libby’s contention he first heard about Plame from Russert is laughable.
The only count that is really about memory without plenty of good corroborration, istm, is Count 3 regarding Cooper. That may indeed be a win for Scooter, but I think he’ll lose on at least three of the other four counts.
I hope someone here can answer this question; I apologize if this is not the right forum for it.
I am under the impression that once a lawyer is convicted of a felony he/she loses their law license for life. If the POTUS issues a pardon, is the license reinstated?
The reason I’m asking is this: my impression of Libby is that, after his tenure at the White House, he was looking forward to being a “D.C. power broker” kind of guy. A conviction on any one count would scuttle such plans. So what would Bush/Cheney offer Libby to “take one for the team”? A lifelong allowance? An AM radio talk show a la G. Gordon Liddy? With a felony conviction I don’t think he could even serve on corporate boards.
Would this scenario make Libby — if he’s convicted — easier to “flip” or harder?
When I read about Fitz using the “cloud over the vice president” phrase, I head the echo of John Dean’s “a cancer on the presidency” inside my head. I hope jurors were reminded of the same thing and the implication that the Plame leak and coverup are every bit as serious attacks on our government as Watergate was.
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“that Fitz and Zeidenberg were absolutely right — he never in a million years thought that anyone would push past the initial barrier”
And what changed, that the heat actually came down on them? Was it just general public opinion, as the war failed more every day?
Was it Fitz’s patriotic zeal? (I vote for that as #2)
Or is it my #1 pick, that are there some C.R.E.W., U-Tube and FDL-type influences beginning to affect the public’s input and outlook on politics and Washington?
Just how big a role the blogs and bloggers have played in this game of political hide and seek may never be quantified, but there is no doubt there are historic transitions underway, at the hands of resourceful, web-enabled citizens like our intrepid FDL team.
LandOfTheFree: Personally, I didn’t find Jeralyn’s post interesting at all. It was basically a re-hash of Wells’ closing, which was completely torn apart by Fitz and Z. Plus, she said Fitz made a huge mistake in not indicting DeadEye along with Scoots. Fitz has answered this very clearly several times now, and this is the whole sand being thrown in the face of the umpire analogy (does she listen when Fitz talks???).
Fitz has a very successful track record with doing what he’s currently doing, that is to clear through the brush of lies to get to the truth, and then use the truth to nab the kingpins. Let’s hope the jury gives him that chance based on the what many feel was a very clear case by Fitz. The story itself is confusing, which might lead to some of the uncertainty in some people following this, but I don’t think Team Fitz could’ve presented it much better.
politicalpolyanna @ 75
Just quoting from GSD @ 37 about Katrina and Barbour payola.
And he’s my esteemed (ahem, ahem) governor (ahem, ahem) too, so I must slap his ample jowls about the Red Chinese graft every chance I get.
Small world, what?
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libby’s got a wife, he’s got kids
cheney can not pardond libby, that’s up to bush
bush is starting to understand that he has to distance himself from cheney, cheney is a pox on the administration
bush has no loyalty to libby, none
unless libby has something on bush there might be no pardon.
perris @ 96
Indeed. I wonder if team Libby is engaging Fitzgerald in any last-minute plea negotiations right now?
Thanks *xyz
ROFLMAO.
old gold @ 19
Thanks Old Gold, I just cranked up the sound, jumped on my stationary bike and voila l.6 miles of pure bliss.
Reading through EW’s live blogging of the closing arguments I did not see where either side thanked the jurors for their time, patience and attention.
Did they?
The cloud over the vice president is a cancer on the presidency.
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Christy, you and the rest of the Firedoglake team serve as a beacon of light during the MSM blackout of this story. All of the excuses of how complicated the case is, and how disinterested the public is, fails to absolve the press from their abdication of reportorial responsibility for informing the public of a probable case of White House conspiracy. You have all handled the coverage with extreme intelligence, restraint, dignity and charm. Awesome! No less a calibre than the reportage of Watergate. When the press hands out its Pulitzers this year, I hope they remember the Firedoglake team – cause nobody does it better. You (meaning all of you), are outstanding journalists. Now, where is that other verdict?
hmm, some on this jury are familiar with group process…
How about pages from the flip chart posted with masking tape on the walls of the jury room? Each page has a count at the top. Jurors work their way through each count, voting finally by pasting their post-its with their names on each page.
@rumpled
The Court or the Bar can take a lawyer’s license under the right circumstances. i once knew a laywer that continued to practice after a felony conviction in state court. He was able to get a PJC- prayer for judgment continued. A PJC is a legal fiction where you are guilty but the judgment is never recorded- it is put off indefinitely. Of course, a pardon removes the conviction, ab initio, from the beginning -as it never happened.
old gold at 100 — If I remember correctly, I believe both Jeffress and Fitz touched on that in their presentations.
Listening to Verdi, I’m getting all verklempt waiting for the verdict to be rendered in verdigris brilliance.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
Criminals typically discount the risk of getting caught. Now, a lot of street punks have the additional burden of being stupid (making them the low hanging fruit of prosecution), but, on the whole, those who commit crimes just don’t think they’re gonna get caught, which is why they opt to do the crimes.
Cheney’s crew thought they had an impenetrable firewall.
They guessed wrong.
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Scarebaby @ 20
Quite true! I learn as much from reading the comments on FDL as I do from reading the blog. No other blog I’ve read has such insightful and intelligent comments. Thanks to you all.
Libby went beyond that though. “All the reporters know” (Russert) and Wells didn’t provide anything to corroborate
that. Nada.
FishGuyDave @ 79
I’m going to hand them (tomorrow morning or Monday morning) the Amazon information for Marcy’s book and for Elizabeth de la Vega’s book, and tell them it’s a good investment of $25 – better than what they’re getting from Faux or whoever is telling them what to think.
What a sweet and enjoyable way to approach this morning’s posts. Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell.
Pretty wonderful.
What more could be said about great duos.
That’s the nice thing about Firedoglake.
You take a breather once in a while.
sonate @ 63
I am very inclined to agree with you… but I’m reminded that the definition of “reasonable” can vary. I just want to keep a little guarded. Sometimes, I think we get a little carried away with optimism because we *want* it to be as obvious to the jury as it is to us.
It’s important to remember that Libby was charged not with conspiracy nor leaking Plame’s identity, but instead with intentionally and knowingly lying/providing false statements. As Jeralyn noted, the jury has to presume innocence. Also, the jury must be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby intentionally lied. I didn’t see conclusive proof that Libby intentionally lied – just a lot of indication that he very, very likely did and had good reason to lie. Is that enough for all of the jurors to convict on all counts? To send a man to prison based on a strong feeling of common sense instead of indisputable conclusive evidence?
Just call me the buzzkill… I just think it’s wise to try to view this from a more objective standpoint. As perris said, we need to be prepared for all scenarios to unfold. It will be ugly if Libby walks, and I don’t think its outside the realm of possibility that he could be acquited of some, if not all of the charges. I don’t think he should be, but it might happen.
Umm, wow thats some good reporting. You mean when someone lies and you say so you are implying that he did not keep his word.
Unbelievable…almost.
S.O.S. in MA @
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Yabbut yabbut, FDL — (being a simple blog, unlike whatever is driving HufPo) — just sits there until you explicitly think to Refresh; that’s the only way you’ll learn from here that a verdict impends.
What I do is leave the FDL “gabbly chat” window
open with its “enter/exit” (the two-feet icon at the bottom of the gabbly window) and “new post” (the leetle bell icon next to it) functions turned ON. (Of course, I also leave my computer’s speakers ON and loud enough to hear from elsewhere in my house)…
So, when verdict stuff begins to happen, and in the hopes that “the usual gang” gathers over in GabblyVille, :) (heyo Rayne, Shez, halobeam, cbl, Mr.Murder, Cletus, Pat_AlexVA, Lindy, jeffreyw, Lindy, KestrelBrighteye, LaFourmiRouge, leinie, Neil, TJ, Strategerie, Aaron G Stock, … sorry if I forgot to mention YOU :) ) my computer will begin to beep and boop at me, recruiting my attention. QED, problem solved. I’ll be there if and when the jury returns its verdict! ‘Cause Gabbly is “push-based” rather than “pull-based” as the web normally is.
Gabbly is a fun kinda chat-app. Using it doesn’t burden FDL’s servers at all. It’s a good place to discuss any sort of Libby-related stuff at a far faster pace than is possible in these threads.
Rayne introduced it and imho it’s cool. Sometimes we get harrassed by hackers, in which case we retreat to a private redoubt. Others of us know how to get its URL to you without publishing it here. If you need its URL, please post your request in an FDL comment string.
If you wanna “listen and wait for the news and join in the gabble” when the verdict hits, C U over in chat-land. Remember, because Gabbly runs on a completely other server somewhere on the ‘net, using it takes some of the heavy load off the FDL servers!
Hint: Use two browser windows. Put the above URL in one, and the real FDL (this one) in the other. Position the windows where you can see both the chat about FDL and the real FDL. (Remember to turn Gabbly’s sounds and your computer’s sound on, and loud enough to wake the dead… :) Refresh only the REAL FDL window.
Go jury, give us back the truth! All hail Fitz and the entire (((FDL Crew))), additional best loyal vibes to ((((Jane)))) — and Godspeed to us all.
Please don’t use me anymore as the bad example in your advisory re-post. I never posted while the Libby Trial was going on (made a point of it), refreshed twice an hr. although tempted to do more. Please take my post this a.m. out of your advice to other posters. I no longer have an FDL window open & refreshing. Nor will I have.
Thank you.
I don’t think Fitz will go any further – I think the “immaculate declassification” by Bush/Shooter sheilds them from being prosecuted for disclosing classified info. Some of us will be disappointed but we should appreciate what has been accomplished. FDL’s work has accomplished more than I ever expected
From cboldt’s “No Easy Answers“
To me that Wilson editorial with Cheney’s questions is the biggest piece of evidence to date that there was deliberate intent to not only smearWilson but to out Plame. Cheney already knew the answers to the questions he was writing on that op-ed. He had already tasked/researched and discovered the answers to the questions on it. Those weren’t just some new innocent tasking questions he wanted answered by a CIA briefer to discover…they had already done their homework. Those were the talkingpoints and questions he wanted planted in the minds of the weak kneed journalists to ask. As the week progressed, he realized that none of the journalist were really taking the bait, and then the motherload of motherloads occurred, and on July 8,2003 poof…insta-declassification and then her name is allowed to be out and amongst favorite WH pet stenographers like Novak, (the same date as Judy’s other conversation with Libby). “They just gave it to me” Bob NOvak told Royce and Phelps. “I didn’t dig it out” he also said to them in July 22, 2003 article. Of course they gave it to you, because Cheneyco decided with the “do what you have to do” okay from the Commander-in-Chimp himself said okay declassify it, and not just the NIE but her name and everything else that was associated with that story.
They are some kind of evil and vindictive bastards that Cheneyco crew….and those words don’t even begin to describe them accurately.
As for the media taking a bad rap here with them, of course they should, but I agree we mustn’t forget to applaud and credit the A-17 Pincus’s and the STrobels, and the Landay’s (Knight Ridder-McClatchy) of the world who actually did get it right. Plus there was one other intrepid young journo at WaPo who also had accurate reporting named Barton Gellman that got it all right too. Plus of course Dana Priest did some co-authoring of some of these pieces so she deserves kudo’s too.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
My gut feeling is that you’re right. If I were on the jury, I’d want to carefully go through the timeline and who said what to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby intentionally lied. My gut instinct would say loud & clear that there’s no way Libby would have forgotten only the “Plame” parts of discussions with all of these people – it’s way too convenient, and not plausible for someone with his job responsibilities. I would see motive to lie. But, before I could cast a vote to convict him of felony charges, I’d want to review the timeline of discussions really, really carefully.
(Ok, who wants to start putting up flowcharts on their walls with duct tape? LOL)
chirsty, great post per usual. (i don’t tire of typing that, if you don’t tire of reading it.)
in discussing why this trial is so important — we know it is, but does the jury — you raise a point that has gone unremarked, or at least underremarked. this is likely to be the only trial that the bush administration will ever face, with subpoenas compelling testimony and a prosecutor unmoved by shiny bright distractions. just like the garrison prosecution was the only real-time public trial concerning the kennedy assassination, fitzgerald’s is probably going to be the only time the curtain is pulled back and the dynamic of the bush administration is bared.
setting aside everything else, THAT’S the true value of this trial — a public record of the abuse of the public’s trust, the manipulation of the public’s fears and concerns, the pettiness and indifference and bullying that is common to this band of thieves and psychopaths.
invaluable.
pollyusa @ 116
Pictures of the witnesses would be very helpful if you wanted to cut them out separately and place them on a timeline…
Just checking in during lunch-post its etc-sounds like a good job-looking at details-timelines etc
very encouraging so far!!
Fitz’s closing has put a smile on my face that is stillthere!
This OT and it pisses me off.
Helen Thomas Moving Back After 46 Years Down Front
Every theater-style seat in the White House briefing room, now closed for renovation, had a brass plaque inscribed with the name of a news organization. Only one, in the middle of the front row, had a name: “HELEN THOMAS,” it said. The unique assigned seat between the chairs for CBS News and ABC News was reserved for the legendary United Press International correspondent who is now a columnist for Hearst Newspapers.
The press corps is scheduled to move from temporary facilities back into the spiffed-up, rewired briefing room in May or June. Thomas, who has been questioning presidents and press secretaries for 46 years, plans to be there. But her front-row seat won’t be. Plans call for her to be moved to the second row to make room for a cable news channel – a sign of Washington’s changing pecking order, and of the new ways that Americans get their news.
“I didn’t think I had a monopoly on that seat,” Thomas, 86, said in a telephone interview. “Since my peers have decided that I don’t belong there, I’ll bow to their – I’ll drink the – What did Socrates drink?”
Hemlock?
“I’ll drink it,” she said. “You have to submit to the will of the people, and apparently this is the will of my peers. It’s OK with me. I’ve had a good run in the front seat.”
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http://www.politico.com/news/s…../2847.html
Cozumel @ 109
You’re right, Coz. That would mean evidence, of which Team Scroto Scooter provided practically none. I’m just sayin’ that Wells threw that spitball against the wall that Russert and “all the reporters” could have seen an article on the wires. For that matter, Libby could have had a poor memory. We never actually heard from Libby any evidence that he actually DID forget anything.
FYI folks, there is going to be a documentary on HBO tonight about The Ghosts of Abu Ghraib. Just saw a note about it in my e-mail. Anyone seen anything about the film or any advance articles? I’ve been so immersed in Libby that I’ve missed any real mention of this. Any links to info would eb much appreciated. Thanks.
From Countdown with Keith Olbermann last night:
Apparently the smoking gun has produced a cloud over the Vice President.
-GSD
Morning, Christy! Firepups!
I apologize if this has been asked and answered already, but where did the Politics TV from the “Alfie” post go? I’ve not yet been able to view it, nor any graphic from last night’s late night.
I just woke up early to check in on things and am STILL grumpy I can’t get my Marcy-hairdo fix yet.
Bustednuckles @ 122
Stabbed in the back by Richard Wolffe and the rest of the tsk-tskers in the mainstream media.
-GSD
bonkers @ 94
I definitely agree with your last paragraph. The prosecution did a fantastic job with what they had, and the defense didn’t do a terrific job by any means (especially Wells’ last day in front of the jury).
I just think it’s healthy to consider that the jury must default to “not guilty” and have enough evidence to convict. The evidence is mostly discussions – not written notes by Libby that conclusively prove he intended to lie. And, we’ve certainly seen juries that stretch the definition of “reasonable doubt” to something closer to “a shadow of a doubt”.
Well, I just had a laugh my ass off all the way from the mailbox moment. The George Bush Presidential Library Foundation sent a beg letter to us for a contribution. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ahem.
*snerk* HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
The Christian-Gestapo is at it again.
Fundagelical preacher tells students “not to marry Muslims.”
-GSD
MSNBC linky in me at 125.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 124
WaPo doing online chat w/producer as we speak
There is this trial, of an assistant to both the president of the United States and the vice president, with the vice president a potential witness, centering on the questionable starting of the Iraq war. And there is this other court in Kentucky where yesterday they accepted the second guilty plea to rape and four counts of felony murder from a soldier in the squad that brutally killed an Iraqi family, raping, killing and burning the body of their 14-year old daughter, in that war.
And from US news organizations there is wall-to-wall coverage of Anna Nicole.
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Christy, Well, you might consider sending them your daughter’s used crayolas.
there’s a chat with Rory Kennedy going on right now at the Post, Christy @ 124, and a good link to a synopsis on the documentary.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01421.html
Chenney will have Bush sign an Executive Order giving the VP power to Pardon anyone he wants, just as he got Bush to grant him the power to instoDeclasify things.
that’s a scarry thought
I don’t have enough to occupy my damn time.
Wait, let me clarify that. I’m afraid that if I do do something, I’ll miss it.
Are they back yet?!?
Christy @ 130:
You should send them a copy of your book after it’s published. Which brings me to something I’d been meaning to ask/tell you:
If you haven’t considered this already, you should transform all your brilliant postings leading to the Libby trial, and during the trial, into a book mnuscript and publish it. A readership wider than FDL’s deserves to read it.
I am enjoying this hilarious send up of Bush et al by the Kuwaiti pop star Shams these days. The lyrics are tongue in cheek, she is rejecting Bush as a “romantic” suitor, while unmasking him and others. She also gets into the boxing ring with Condi.
Loved the Marvin and Tami promo. Thank you tahnk you tahnk you..
Fantastic job of covering the trial. Thanks fromthose of us who couldn’t be there. In our soul we were. Will everyone wake up please.Our country has been hijacked.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 130
That outhouse in Paraguay won’t build itself
;>)
Youtube: Stevie Wonder, Papa Was A Rolling Stone
ruffian @
121
Using my no more informed than a non-trial lawyer’s opinion on the request for materials like post it notes and flip-charts etc –
This is likely very good news for the prosecution. The jury is double checking the Prosecution’s evidence to see if it fits with their notes.
That would seem to indicate they are looking to verify and substantiate their decision to follow Fitz’s suggestions.
Again, just a guess and trying to read tea leaves.
Best jury question I ever had while waiting for the verdict was…
Damn, as plaintiff’s counsel was I happy to hear that question!!!
Stephen Dulaney @ 136
so’s he kin pardonhisownself, the same way he found somethin’ to stick in the veep chair?
scarry indeed…
Marie Roget @ 114
I apologize. I’ve edited the file I may use in the future per your request. I certainly didn’t mean to offend.
pollyusa @ 116
Wasnt there a point during the trial where pictures of defendants were shown and the Fed Agents didn’t have pics only the bureaus logo and Marcy made a comment about the lack of picture for the FEDS indicating the high level of SECURITY surrounding their positions and this being a possible subconscious tip to indicate that Vals identity should also have been protected…I’ll try to find it…
mikeintf @
115
I think you are conflating the cover up with the original crime. The original referal to Justice was for outing a CIA officer but the underlyiing crime is using forged nuclear documents to start a war.
Fitz will seek justice on this crime. And he has lots of evidence.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 130
Hey, I got one too!
Brains behind the White House
He’s as dry as a martini, a hardline nationalist, a tireless defender of the war in Iraq and he arrives today.
Geoff Elliott turns the spotlight on the President’s shadow.
http://www.theaustralian.news……37,00.html
Here’s an interview with Rory Kennedy from the Nation, Christy:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070305/enzinna
(PS– Ms. Kennedy is Ted Kennedy’s niece– Bobby’s daughter.)
I just posted this comment at CNN. I don’t know why I bothered, but anyway, thanks for doing their job for them.
Um, there’s like this federal trial and stuff? And, like, the jury is, like, deliberating and stuff? And, like, this dude named Scooter is like maybe gonna be found guilty of perjury and stuff? So, um, I thought that like maybe you might want to, like, oh I don’t know, WRITE A STORY ABOUT IT and POST A LINK TO THE STORY maybe somewhere ABOVE all the Anna Nicole & O.J. Simpson stories. I just went over your mainpage three or four times and THERE’S NOT ONE MENTION of the Libby trial. What’s going on over there at CNN? AIPAC not want you to report on the trial or something? The first “N” of “CNN” stands for NEWS. Get it?
a couple of youtubes to pass the time – The English Beat:
“Save it for later”
and for Scooter: “Drowning”
just close your eyes and count to ten
see if you still remember when
your life seemed easy, you had friends
but that was different than that was then
you’re drowning, you’re drowning
Pach mentioned the Alpha Male yesterday and how Zeidenberg prompted Wells to rebut his defence rather than Libby.
What struck me about Fitzgeralds rebuttal is he may have been rebutting Victoria Toensing’s attempt a jury nullification. Who was he rebutting when he started with Madness! and later stressing the dangers of exposing CIA operatives? Is that why Walton gave him latitude?
Perhaps Fitz was taking no chances that Jurors may have read, or just seen the headline siting in a news stand on the way to court, or wanted to arm jurors against a holdout that was carrying this meme around from previous press exposure.
“I didn’t see conclusive proof that Libby intentionally lied”
The trial’s over, save this lame defense for Cheney when the time comes, we’ll be just as skeptical then.
There’s an old overly used phrase that reeally does apply here,
LOGIC DICTATES.
You would have to be possessed of a prejudiced opinion from the start to ignore the consistent proof that Libby’s lying.
Whether he gets convicted or not, we all should remember that many guilty criminals don’t get convicted. Just because the jury can’t agree doesn’t mean the evidence was wrong. And the evidence proves Libby is lying and covering for Deadeye, whether the jury finds him guilty or not.
So if you don’t want to see Scooter convicted, just say so, it is personal, we will understand. But to say Libby never lied intentionally, after the constant hammering of the truth by Fitzgerald, is just superficial.
Say its not fair, say its a travesty, say Scooter is a victim and his loyalty and honor forced him to lie (now there’s a great defense), but don’t suggest to reasonable people who have followed this from the first very first typo, that he did not lie intentionally, that part is proven.
Whether it leads to his conviction is a whole different matter. He’s guilty, it has been proven in the court of public opinion, regardless of the verdict.
Escuse me for having an opinion, but my opinion is that Scooter is guilty and if he is somehow acquitted, the final verdict won’t be the true determination of actual guilt, he could walk away from this, guilty as hell, because our legal system works in such mysterious ways.
AN acquittal dooesn’t “make” him innocent, it just “finds” him innocent.
The shields also represent 2 members of the same team. Much larger than 2 individuals.
Okay, as the eternal optimist, let me throw out a scenario for your consideration. (All dependent on a conviction, of course, but I said I was an optimist.)
How many of the conditions for an IIPA violation has Fitzgerald’s team laid out in this trial? It seems to me that considerable evidence was put forward that Libby:
1. Knew she was covert (though arguably he just recklessly disregarded his obligation to check.)
2. Deliberately leaked her identity.
So could the path to flipping Libby be that with these points established, he’ll be charged under IIPA if he doesn’t turn evidence on Cheney?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 124
It was made by a relative of Bobby Kennedy – and he said on “Ring of Fire” last week that he is the most proud of this work out of all of Rory’s. That it is life changing. Does that help?
Flip chart and tape indicates that they’ve got someone who has done some discussion leading. It also may also indicate that things are complicated enough that they need some way of keeping em straight.
perris @
33
Greymail is a defense against the charge of outing Plame.
Prosecuting Cheney for conspiracy to use forged nuclear documents will not lend itselt to a greymail defense.
Fitz has, or is very close to having, everything he needs to convict Cheney on this. I think he is still gathering evidence on the other conspirators.
dab from CT @
84
Hmmm….
Why wouldn’t they ask for those big Post-it Flip chart pads?
and Sharpies, lots of Sharpies, and the Magnum Marker. Marker-philes know what I’m talkin bout.
I think they’re constructing a going-away card for Scoots
punaise @ 106
May the verdict be like a a Verdian Vertibird of eclat sinking a claw into Scooter’s paw, fer da’grease to render by law. I’m talon on you, buster.
the anti-thesis @ 160
And don’t forget those pictures of the witnesses.
My bet is that they’re going to cut them out and physically put them on a timeline, so the jurors have a visual marker for each of the different events that occurred.
About the photos – at least they’re not having to deal with the Dana Milbank/Priest/Bash faction.
And I’ll kick an English Beat, too:
Stand Down Margaret/Shooter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynLDhvZCE6c
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flip charts and markers are a way for a group to look at data together and to record/create data as a group.
made a whole career out of using the stuff. solved a lot of problems too. in terms of group process it means there is some agreement on how to get their job done and some productive leadership is occuring.
I just know I’m going to catch an elbow to the ribs for this one.
Point of clarification for a non lawyer please.
Is it not true that the Grand jury indicted Scooter or was it Patrick Fitzgerald?
I have another stupid pet trick question awaiting an answer to this one.
LA Times: Wells finished his remarks with an emotional flourish….
DELILAH BOYD: Was it really necessary to cry?
THE NY SUN: The veteran defense attorney sat silently there for several minutes, ignoring his colleagues and alternately staring at the back wall of the courtroom and his lap.
NBC: Wells’ closing “fiery” and “passionate.”
NEEDLENOSE: What is it with Republicans and crying? Weren’t they supposed to be the tough ones?
USA Today: Wells “tearful”
KOMMERSANT: Mr. Wells told the jury in closing, before unexpectedly tearing up and sitting down with an audible sob
CBS: The Defense Rests. And Sobs.
BTC NEWS: “Wells final plea brought a tear to his own eye.”
STAR TELEGRAM: Theodore Wells Jr., Libby’s chief defense lawyer, countered with an intensely emotional defense ending in a choked sob.
WELLS: “Maybe I was drunk when I made my opening,”
DICK CHENEY: “We have to work … the dark side, if you will,” Cheney said after 9/11. “We’ve got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies.”
BYRON YORK: For his part, Fitzgerald seemed overcaffeinated and overreaching, perhaps overwhelming the jury with the minutiae of the case.
NYT : Wells offered “an intensely emotional defense ending in a choked sob.”
THINK PROGRESS: The crocodile tears were flowing at the Libby trial yesterday.
The WAPO: Wells began to cry. He sat down at the defense table and wiped his eyes.
FIREDOGLAKE: Give him back to me, give him back. [Wells gets all choked up, crying.]
WSJ: Ted Wells Sobs, Jury Poised to Start Deliberations.”
AP: Theodore Wells, whose voice rose and fell dramatically, choked back a sob
Bustednuckles @ 165
It was the Grand Jury. I believe only Grand Juries have the power to indict.
At a minimum this would suggest that the jury will not present a nullification verdict. Why go through the trouble to establish all the facts in a case when your emotions direct you that the actions of the defendant, even if proved, do not constitute a crime?
One other circumstance of this case has always struck me, namely the thought that Cheney had insta-declassification power for Plame’s covert identity. My understanding, never having been there, is that in the entrance rotunda of the CIA headquarters there is a wall covered with about 100 unnamed gold stars or plaques. These stars represent the covert CIA agents who have been killed in service to US. These heros cannot be named because just knowing the names could compromise intelligence activities and put other agents at risk. As with Ms. Plame, the agents could have been using their real names during the undercover work.
So, whatever the verdict, I suggest that on their next visit to the CIA HQ, Cheney and Libby should pause before that wall where almost nobody knows your name. The should then ask themselves if they agree with Rove’s comment that “his wife was fair game.”
I forgot to name my post above “On Sobbing”
Thanks XYZ.
Now to the next question.
Is it possible for the jury deliberating Scooters fate to indict someone else based on evidence from this trial?
Fresh snark for everyone, up top.
ccmask @ 167
I don’t have cable so I only get to watch the Daily Show on Youtube, but I am hoping that John Stewart does some kind of a riff on this!
Bustedknuckles @ 165:
From wiki:
As the prosecutor, Fitz indicted Libby.
there’s something that noone has mentioned yet that nags at the back of my brain——and am wondering why noone else noticed it, the visual stuck in my brain when wells said it, and then when fitgerald said it back, it rang a bell…….and i said ‘uh oh’ to myself when i heard it come from fitzgerald…..
so, i went back over summations and rebuttal, to verify, to see who said it first—the cloud over the VP’s office—……i know it’s not a transcript, but remembered that i thought it was WELLS who first brought up the ‘cloud over the VP’s office’ analogy…….and that is what i think really bit him back, because then Fitzgerald used it back on him…….i think it first came from wells and that is why he looked to disguted and defeated, because that is now the quote everyone is using for fitzgerald as one of the best points of his rebuttal…….i’d be depressed, too……..must have killed him, he threw the softball, and fitzgerald hit it out of the park………
from live-blog:
Wells #3
under 3:06 heading
Govt tried to put cloud over VP Cheney. During questioning of Ms Martin. We’ll you weren’t with Mr. Libby all the time. Somethings could have happened while you weren’t there. The clear implication was that there was skullduggery. That’s unfair on teh facts of this case. Scooter Libby wasn’t out pushing stories on the wife. Look at output side.
and here is where fitzgerald first uses it-
fitzgerald #1
under 4:31 heading
There is a cloud over the VP. He wrote those columns, he had those meetings, He sent Libby off to the meeting with Judy. Where Plame was discussed. That cloud remains because the denfendant obstructed justice. That cloud was there. That cloud is something that we just can’t pretend isn’t there.
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The grand jury indicted him — the prosecutor only suggests, the jury itself indicts. And the trial jury has jurisdiction in terms of verdict only on this case. It is not possible for them to do anything other than render a verdict in the case at bar.
well, MSM, here ya go:
from today’s chat.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02013.html
(Christy, left you stuff up top on the Ghosts of Abu Ghraib.)
New Thread.
Thanks Christy!
:)
the anti-thesis @ 160
That was my first thought but then I figured that those cost a lot more than good old masking tape (federal court & all)
JEP – Actually, it doesn’t “find” him innocent – it finds him, or anyone else for that matter, “not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt”; which is very different from saying someone is innocent. Of course, people will say he was found “innocent,” but that doesn’t make it so.
And, a jury doesn’t have to find “conclusively” that he lied. They only have to find that he lied beyond a reasable doubt – they don’t need to be “certain” of it – it need not be “fact.”
And, if I look at the trial disinterestedly, I agree with you and think the gov’t has proven its case.
One of the “problems” of reading so many opinions on a thread or in blogs is that the case gets deconstructed/parsed to the Nth degree in ways that make a relatively simple question “Did he knowingly lie” seem complicated. I don’t believe the jury will view it from a “complicated” perspective, their not going to get in to all the nuance.
Basically, they are going to use common sense – pretty amazing that. And common sense tells me, and I believe tells them, that it is beyond reasonable doubt that all these witnesses would misremember (or worse, be lying) or that a person who placed such importance on a matter didn’t simply “forget” about it, but then “misremembered” when he “remembered” it.
I think the odds of any defendant being convicted are very good (regardless of how much they spend on their defense), most importantly b/c the evidence is usually against them, but also b/c the rules are against, human nature is against, etc.
I think he gets convicted. I read Jeralynn’s post and disagree with all of it – if only jurors had a defense lawyer’s nuanced view of reasonable doubt (particularly with respect to memory). That’s not the real world.
Of course, he may be acquitted, or there may be a hung jury. It is possible. It just really isn’t the way to bet. But if you parse anything long enough, anything seems possible, even though it isn’t in the real world.
Helen Thomas is the only reporter in the room. She’ll put the rest to shame regardless of where she sits.
politicalpolyanna @ 53
I agree about the Kool-Aid.
But if he is facing prison time with no guarantee of a pardon then he is facing something very, very, very unpleasant. You only go around once, and he most ~definitely~ won’t want his last days on earth spent this way. This is not the last trial he’d be facing either. He could well get additional convictions down the road.
Rolling defenseless guys is pretty easy if you have plenty of pressure at your disposal. They are human and they are mortal.
“Have we a new pope?” E.B. Farnum
dmac @
174
Wow, great memory for detail. Thanks!
angie @ 176
FINALLY – some journalist stating the obvious. Of course the neocons & their flunkies (Toensing et al) have cynically been taking advantage of this unique situation by constantly pointing to the fact that the CIA has not “officially” stated anywhere that Plame was covert. DUH!
Unfortunately, they are getting away with framing this issue, yet again, using a fake strawman. We’re talking about a covert agent WITHOUT OFFICIAL COVER (a NOC). Furthermore, she was involved in tracking WMD and I’m sure the CIA is trying to contain the damage as much as possible.
So…just as the neocons took advantage of journalists and the 1st amendment – they are taking advantage of the situation knowing that the CIA is never going to officially confirm Plame’s status.
Is it too much to ask that journalists and commentators writing articles or showing up on talk shows who disagree with the neocons and support Fitz’s investigation ignore the BS and point out this relatively SIMPLE concept?
I know dab…
check out this from today’s chat, too:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02013.html
JEP @ 154
Whoa – you’re replying to me (as it looks like you’re quoting me), you’re way off the mark.
I do not “want” him to be acquitted, nor am I providing a “lame defense”.
My personal opinion is that Libby intentionally lied and obstructed – to protect both himself and Cheney. I think it’s very highly likely that Cheney directly and actively participated in outing Plame to smear Wilson. I also think it’s very likely that Cheney and Libby knew her CIA job was covert, and they played fast and loose with classified info for political cover.
I just think it’s reasonable to consider that the jury might look at the evidence presented, and all of the jurors may not conclude he’s guilty on all counts. I think the points Jeralyn raised should be considered – the case the prosecution presented is not airtight. There was no smoking gun that proves Libby intentionally lied – a lot of evidence that indicates it’s likely. I just question whether or not all the jurors will see this as reason to convict on all charges, that’s all.
Don’t construe that as cheerleading for the defense.
Excuse me for trying to look at this from a more objective point of view.
dmac @ 174
Eggsellent! Fitz is a better weaver than I’d noticed.
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Ed*ard Teller @
23
If memory serves, Shooter was MIA on that one, on extended vacation. My impression at the time was that Bush had been unhappy and was actually trying to exercise some presidential authority. Which resulted in fiascos like the Harriet Meiers nomination. I wondered at the time if Shooter was hanging Bush out to dry on the handling of Katrina.
Wasn’t it around that time that the National Inquirer reported that Bush was off the wagon?
OOoooh, Thank you thank you thank you for that Blumenthal link!
I predict Libby will not flip. Pardon will come down in record time.
Biodun @
125
IMHO Milbank has no clue as to what he is talking about, although he does so love to speak in such an authoritative and worldweary way.
The first clue is that while Fitz said the “investigation” is over (collecting evidence) he has never given any clear indication that “IT” is over. Any FDL reader is aware of that.
Who knows what Fitz will do? Only Fitz.
Like others I think he will need a guilty verdict for Scooter before proceeding.
But I am starting to think from following the trial coverage @ FDL that Fitzgerald may have a lot more on Cheney then he has let on so far.
This is killin’ me!
ihatebeets @ 191
I am not so sure about a pardon . . .
Libby is Cheney’s boy, not Bush’s.
A lot of people assume Bush will pardon, but maybe I am naive — I am not sure he will
– Rove is probably ready to dump Cheney — they can blame everything bad that happened during Bush admin on Cheney.
– A Bush pardon wound be real bad for Bush politically, and Rove does not like that
– Bush strikes me as vindictive — Why should I pardon Dick’s boy, look at all the trouble he has gotten me into. Besides, unlike Karl, Scooter was dumb enought to get caught
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As to Scooter flipping, I am starting to think while it would be great for Fitz it may not be necessary. A guilty verdict on obstruction and perjury would be a good first step, and might be good enough to move ahead, if for example, Fitz had some more evidence against Dick Cheney that we don’t know about.
LandOfTheFree @
55
one Senator from Connecticut ran on a promise to sort all this Katrina mess out, you know, promising accountablity…
you know, the Senator who is head of a Homeland Security committee…
yes, we’re hearing crickets only from Joe Lieberman
John Forde @
147
I’m wondering if we’ll ever learn who forged, or ordered the creation of those forged documents?
njr @ 195
He’s too busy trying to feel important by flipping off the Democrats and getting BJs by the Republicans to actually do anything productive in Congress. He’s much more concerned about having everyone stroke his damaged ego after not winning the CT Dem primary. (ooh, don’t get me started on him!)
dab from CT @
179
Yup, Walton is loving this jury’s frugality.
Now, hoping they are using their/our time as wisely!
froggermarch @
148
So far, I haven’t received one, but if I do, I intend to shred the letter and return it in the reply envelope, assuming that one is provided.
Guilty or not, I think Libby’s next appointment will be with Congress. Remember, Levin has already said he wants hearings on the Office of Special Plans, and that he expects to call Libby to testify as to how the work product of that DOD office was transmitted and used in the OVP. Senator Rockefeller also apparently wants Libby as he does the Intelligence Committee work on the use of Intelligence pre Iraq invasion.
I don’t think Libby can cover himself with executive privilege, and if he is convicted, he probably cannot use 5th amendment responses, so if he would fail to answer appropriate congressional questions (a clear legislative purpose being the standard) he might be flirting with additional Contempt of Congress charges.
Questions about OVP and the Office of Special Plans are not about the same content as the Plame case — but it is very parallel. Remember Rockefeller has already commented that setting up an intelligence organization without having it chartered by congress is a violation of the 1947 National Security Act. I could see this Congress “setting this up” in such a way that after Jan, 2009, and a new AG in a new DOJ, there might be other indictments brought not only against Libby, but others involved in establishing the Office of Special Plans.
…and what does the President know about all of these activities of the VP’s office, and when will he sign a reprieve of Libby’s conviction? That’s got to be the reason why Wells & Co. never worked out his initial theory of Libby taking the dive for Rove, etc.
Wasn’t Tami Terrell the daughter of heavyweight boxing contender Ernie Terrell who I recall was slender and tall. Didn’t Ali take him out?
ccmask @ 169
ccmask, yesterday I gave him a new name:
Ted Wails
Hope you like it ;)
bookwoman @ 6
Cheney had a clear agenda from the late 1990’s. He laid it out so interested parties would know, but few others. Bush had none.
Here is the Cheney Agenda, in his own carefully chosen words spoken late 1999,edited for length.
….note boldface, underline and my comments in [[ ]].
…mods: it is long but most relevant.
[…] text[[edited for length for FDL]] of Dick Cheney’s speech at the Institute of Petroleum Autumn lunch, 1999[[London]]
Dick Cheney :-
From the standpoint of the oil industry obviously and I’ll talk a little later on about gas, but obviously for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you’ve got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you’ve got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even. This is true for companies as well in the broader economic sense as it is for the world. A new merged company like Exxon-Mobil will have to secure over a billion and a half barrels of new oil equivalent reserves every year just to replace existing production. It’s like making one hundred per cent interest discovery in another major field of some five hundred million barrels equivalent every four months or finding two Hibernias a year.
[[UpdateFeb 2007– Of all the giant oil fields producing at least 1 Million bbl/day, now and in the past, only 4 remain in production: Daquing in China 1plus Mbpd; Burgan in Kuwait 2 Mbpd; Cantarell in Mexico 1plus Mbpd; and supergiant Ghawar in SaudiArabia 5plus Mbpd. Ghawar is the ONLY one not admitted to be in declining production rate. Mexico/Cantarell just admitted rapid rapid decline in Feb 2007. Ghawar is reputed to have gone into decline late 2006, but SA has not confirmed. Now how is the shortfall going to be resolved? Hence, the problem of Peak Oil.]]
For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our 71 million plus[[now abt 84]] barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously controlling about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world’s oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow. It is true that technology, privatisation and the opening up of a number of countries have created many new opportunities in areas around the world for various oil companies, but looking back to the early 1990’s, expectations were that significant amounts of the world’s new resources would come from such areas as the former Soviet Union and from China. Of course that didn’t turn out quite as expected. Instead it turned out to be deep water successes that yielded the bonanza of the 1990’s.
Concentration and critical mass are clearly keys to success.[…] The result of all this consolidation is that now four out of the five largest oil and gas companies by market value are European.
There are a number of factors which we believe will drive the growing role for gas on a global basis.[…] Another reason natural gas will have a huge role in the next century is that the world’s gas resources are obviously vast.
The Middle East and Africa have over one hundred year’s supply of gas reserves at current low usage levels and the former Soviet Union and Latin America have gas reserve to production ratios which should last over seventy years. Even estimates of proved gas reserves understate the volumes involved, since there is plenty of gas still to be found and many existing discoveries have not been booked, usually due to the difficulty of getting gas to market. As companies find more gas, they need to find ways to monitise the remote fields, developing stranded gas often entails new risk involved in building a new market to use the gas. The three main options for moving this gas to market are pipelines, liquefied natural gas and now gas to liquids.
The world will get more and more connected with gas pipelines in the new century as high strength steel and automated equipment allow pipelines to become economical over long distances.
[…]
Oil is unique in that it is so strategic in nature.[[Understand each word in that statement,then grasp the scope]] We are not talking about soapflakes or leisurewear here. Energy is truly fundamental to the world’s economy. The Gulf War was a reflection of that reality. The degree of government involvement also makes oil a unique commodity. This is true in both the overwhelming control of oil resources by national oil companies and governments as well as in the consuming nations where oil products are heavily taxed and regulated. [..]
It is the basic, fundamental building block of the world’s economy. It is unlike any other commodity. The oil and gas industry provides essential goods at the lowest possible cost with regular reliability while still ensuring a cleaner environment and the industry provides security of supply even though at the same time we are required to manage huge political risk.
What we do isn’t always appreciated by the public and this is part of our industry’s image problem that we need to work on in the next century.
[…] People need to realise that the energy industry often represents the largest foreign investment in many parts of the world and its interests, insights and experience need to be considered.
Oil is the only large industry whose leverage has not been all that effective in the political arena. […] Our constituency is not only oilmen from Louisiana and Texas, but software writers in Massachusetts and specially[[specialty]] steel producers in Pennsylvania.[…] yet not as politically successful or influential as are often smaller industries.
In the last century and up to World War Two coal was king and looks to have a lock as the primary source of energy. It was dethroned by oil, mostly due to transportation fuels, but also because oil was less polluting and easier to handle. Coal is still with us today, but oil is clearly dominant.
[…]Well, the end of the oil era is not here yet, but changes are afoot and the industry must be ready to adapt to the new century and to the transformations that lie ahead. It will mean showing more speed and agility[[as in reach out and grab?]]. As I have outlined today, there are new areas to co-operate in, new risk, new competition, new roles, new integration and a new convergence with power. This will be a challenging environment[…]
You don’t hear our times referred to as the Space Age anymore, instead it’s the Information Age. You will notice they call it the Information Age, not the Knowledge Age. Well, I would conclude today by saying that this industry must be at the forefront of moving into the Knowledge Age. Successful competitors will be those that best manage knowledge. This means technology, expertise, best practices, country, market and competitor intelligence and opportunity assessment.
Thank you.
Editorial Notes
This speech is referred to in Kjell Aleklett’s recent article, Dick Cheney, Peak Oil and the Final Count Down. It shows a deep understanding of the impending energy challenges. It was removed from the original Institute of Petroleum website http://www.petroleum.co.uk/speeches.htm , but we found it using the Wayback machine at http://www.archive.org
Chuteh—in the future, please find a way to break something like that up into multiple comments. Thanks.
Here’s a reward for reading through all of these erudite comments – The greatest tap dancing number in recorded history:
This is the Nicholas Brothers near the end of Stormy Weather.
mikeintf @
115
Yes, there are many many people on this blog smarter than me. As a friend says, “my (male appendage) shrivels in humiliation”.