Remember Holy Joe's campaign promise, “I’ve given my word I will caucus with Democrats?" Well, don't say we didn't warn you. Via Politico:
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut told the Politico on Thursday that he has no immediate plans to switch parties but suggested that Democratic opposition to funding the war in Iraq might change his mind.
Lieberman, a self-styled independent who caucuses with the Democrats, has been among the strongest supporters of the war and President Bush’s plan to send an additional 21,500 combat troops into Iraq to help quell the violence there.
"I have no desire to change parties," Lieberman said in a telephone interview. "If that ever happens, it is because I feel the majority of Democrats have gone in a direction that I don't feel comfortable with."
And then there's this bit of charming party chain-yanking delivered via Time Magazine:
…last month, after Lieberman told Reid he had stopped attending the weekly Democratic lunch because he didn't feel comfortable discussing Iraq there, Reid offered to hold those discussions at another time. Lieberman has started attending again.
Aw, poor Joe. He didn't feel comfortable? How sad. Let's all thank Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Rahm Emmanuel and Bill Clinton for putting us all in this position, weakening the party, hurting the ability of Democrats and Republicans alike to get us out of the Iraq quagmire by giving Bush "bipartisan" cover (*cough*) for his McCain/Lieberman surge, and basically making the activist base of the party (and Democratic voters in Connecticut) feel like they mean nothing when measured against their own political ambitions. Nice going. Really.
Then there is the fact that as chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs, Lieberman (unlike his House counterpart Henry Waxman) has no intention of looking into war profiteering, one of the key issues voters claimed they wanted their representatives to investigate.
If there is a good reason for this state of affairs, I confess it escapes me.
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Madness! Madness! Madness!
Bah! Lieberman again.
The SOB sure is an attention whore.
How low can Joe go? Snakes got nothin’ on him.
His money quote:
He sounds like a wife beater rationalizing his wife beating. “I hope you won’t push me to the point where I have to beat you. That would hurt me so much.”
Ruh roh!
I am over the top sick and tired of Lieberman. Let him switch.
Thanks Jane.
This post is a high hard one just outside the plate for punaise’ now famous lament.
The Connecticut senate election was Karl Rove’s last piece of successful skullduggery (there’s a better phrase but I’m trying to be polite). That Reid, Emanuel, Schumer and Clinton went right along with it is still incomprehensible to me, since there was never any risk that Schlesinger would win the seat. If they’d only paid attention during the primary and its immediate aftermath they’d have realized that Joe had completely flipped and gone over to the dark side.
Why should Lieberman bolt and lose his seniority and committee slots? Especially since it’s looking more and more like the Democrats will, if anything, consolidate their hold on the Senate come 2008.
He’s just chain-yanking. Ignore him.
Bustednuckles @ 9
ahem. *clears throat*: “my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside. trust me on this.”
I’ll say it for punaise:
my contempt for joe liebertwit knows no bounds
Still way damn too slow.
:(
(but back in the lake for a spell)
Phoenix Woman @ 11
Have to agree. “Independent Republicrat” blowhard narcissist.
HoJo nurtures plenty of contempt to share. jump in, y’all!
Hey Joe, how comfortable are all the people who have died, and are injured becuase of your just cause.
Jane v. Lieberman.
My money’s on JH.
You know there had to be a reason why so much heavy duty Republican money coursed into [or is that COARSE] his campaign. Mel Sembler, I’m talking about you.
And the fact that the SAME DAMN PEOPLE are financing Libby’s defense? Sheer coincidence I’m sure.
Hello traditional media, are you interested in this story? A Senator under the influence of a man associated with abusing teenagers???
[…crickets…]
(From an earlier thread, but pertinent to this one:)
From E&P, http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp…..1003548744 :
Crikey. Lieberman would be a frickin’ idiot to jump to the Republic side of the aisle at this point, and I wish someone would call him on it — something like:
“Hey, Joe, go ahead, jump. And when the Democrats increase their margin in the Senate by 5-10 seats in the next election, we’ll just smile while you wander in woods, hangdog Diggity Dog, who can’t get anyone’s attention anymore. Or any legislation passed or considered.”
Fuckwit.
That said, I wonder how much it would hurt if Joe really did switch sides. I don’t think it would much matter.
It would split power in the Senate, yes. Dems and Republicers would have to either have equal representation in the committees, or split the committees they control, or some combination thereof. Which would make some things more difficult.
But they’re already difficult, as shown by the Republic Party’s succesful block of debate on Iraq. Joe’s obviously not helping there, and he doesn’t really help on any of the other issues to concern of Democrats. And where he is useful, he’s not that likely to switch positions just because he switched party.
Frankly, he might be of more use to us as moderate Republicer than a neocon Dem: it would force the Pugs to move centerward a little bit, on some issues, if they want to retain his seat — and let’s face it, the Republicers are not going to be in any position to risk seats for at least the next two elections.
I say we should let him go, and punish him after the next elections. ‘Cause he really ain’t helping us now anyway.
Addendum: Notta Flatlander noted in an earlier thread that, in fact, the committee seatings and power balance wouldn’t change even if Lieberman switched, because the organizing resolutions have already passed, and would require a 60 vote majority to overturn at this point. Which only makes my point stronger.
Wonder how the Connecticut voters are feeling about now?
So Jane: Tell us how your day went. Did you just sit at the courthouse or what?
david sirota says “Why Dems Should Hope Lieberman Joins the GOP“
And these are the type of people we need to eventually clear from the Dem party. Hillary is also one of them, and she will never receive my vote.
Millineryman @ 17
How MORAL, ya know, because he’s big on morality. Video games with violence.
YO LIEBERMAN how about WAR with REAL VIOLENCE.
Excuse my shouting I just get upset when our young troops are killed and crippled because you helped this administration perpetuate their lies. Kids with missing arms and legs and eyes and ears and brains and hope.
THANKS JOE.
Morality…?
Not to mention 600,000 Iraqi dead.
Ooops, I guess we’re not supposed to mention them.
Estimate by Johns Hopkins, my alma mater for grad school, you know, they are so sloppy with statistics.
Jane @ top:
I kind of hate to see Bill and Hill dragged into this one, but have to admit that they put themselves there.
you know the people of Connecticut got what they thought they paid for. turns out, their measly offer was out bid by another. don’t they have egg on their faces now for looking at that chicken wrong!
Liar, traitor, opportunist, warmonger, scrofulous reliquary of the DINOS and *moh-ron.
(*thanks, Christy for this spelling.)
Late in the last thread Everhopeful mused that if Joe switched parties, he’d also go into obscurity.
Hmmm…does that mean he and his bottom teeth would lose their standing invitation to scold, lecture, and whine ad nauseum over the airwaves? Might be worth it.
Like many people here, I spent primary day in Connecticut, volunteering for Ned, then watched Joe’s unconcession speech from the Lamont victory party. He is a sad, confused, and angry man whose inability to deal with these feelings has prolonged one of the biggest and deadliest disasters in our history.
Tip: if you want to be a leader, deal with your emotional shit so the country doesn’t have to.
I wonder what our new freshamn class in Congress thinks of good old Honest Joe?
Sweet baby jesus. Connecticut elected themselves a republican.
Sorry to jump the gun, last thread.
I hate unfairness. Why didnt the Dems realize Joe would do this. What is really the truth up there in the Senate?
Actually Joe did FDLers a favor.
Still wondering what to do while the jury is out?
Frankly I think HoJoe is too hell bent on crippling the Democratic party —and the American public as well(re: war profiteering)– to want to switch. Look where his whining has got him before. Wah, wah, he doesn’t feel comfortable discussing Iraq in front of his collegues.
DEPU’d, too good to leave double EPU’d. One of our own helped untangle the Nixon tapes.
S.O.S. in MA @ 164
I’ll never forget the original one. I and my group of my engineers had previously invented “forensic acoustics” and had successfully used it to analyze tape-recorded evidence. I remember almost driving off the road when I heard of Butterfield’s revelation. We began hoping that we’d get a crack at those tapes. We did; loooong story.
For me, the display of the clipped-out, printed original WaPo editorial (with scrawled markup in a hand that’s acknowleged to be Shooter’s) was that moment in TraitorGate.
He’s goin’ down! And his little sockpuppet, too! :)
egr bold
Mass Southpaw @ 30
Joe doesn’t want to be a leader. He just wants power. Yes, they are often overlapping ambitions, but I think Joe is one of the exceptions.
Lieberman is not *comfortable* attending the lunch if he has to endure discussions about Iraq. That just takes the cake.
I am always amazed at Lieberman’s petulance and the fact that he publicly talks about his oh so harrowing experiences. What’s even more surprising is the way people seem to walk on eggshells around him. One day, he’s really going to get a shock when people start leveling with him. He’s a despicable man. He’s got nothing left but his threats. I wish Harry would call his bluff instead of accomodating, and kissing and making up. I also wish I had confidence that Harry really knows what he’s doing.
The picture up top looks like a group mugshot. (They’re all so grim.) All it needs is signs with names and serial numbers underneath.
Not voting for Hillary. If I lived in CT, my contempt would probably have prompted me to send Joe a picture of a sword, as in ‘take the hint, please’.
Leadership now would be for Senator Reid to invite Joe to go ahead and leave.
It’s like a bad relationship. Let’s end it and move on.
feeling…….queasy……RETCH!
Sorry, but I just stumbled into this thread – entirely about a pasty faced egomaniacal sociopath from CT and I just can’t help it. Makes my innards churn.
ccmask @ 32
O.K. please stop. Some of us CT Lamont supporters talked to voters till we were blue in the face.
GO, JOE, GO!
Now that the Senate is organized we don’t need the sanctimonious twit.
I say, get thee gone traitor, the sooner the better…
Once he lost the primary common decency suggests that he should have bowed out and backed LaMont, that he didn’t proves him a craven opportunist and a turncoat to the Democratic party that nurtured him all these years.
Um, he can’t switch from the Democratic party to the Republican party, because HE’S NOT PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. We booted him out last year. If he ever feels that the majority of the Democrats have gone in a direction that he doesn’t feel comfortable with, he can take comfort in the fact that the feeling is mutual. That’s why we kicked him to the curb.
I think this is a pathetic attempt by WATB HoJoe to be a bright shiny thing to distract FDL’s attention from the Libby trial.
Too bad HoJoe doesn’t realize FDL can multi-task.
P J Evans @ 39
Hmm. Not shilling for Hillary here, I’d be happy with Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Clark, or Richardson as President.
Just noting that there are far worse things than Hillary in the White House. Like McCain, Giuliani, Romney, or Brownback. Or any Bush.
David Sirota has an interesting take on Joe. He doest think it would be so bad for the Dems not to be in control.
Interesting.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/22/17934/5549
Don’t forget Ken Salazar and his part in the Gang of 14 bullcrap.
Good riddance to bad senators.
Rusty Austin @ 43
Lieberman. Common decency. Same sentence.
*Head Explodes*
Compare and contrast:
Fitz – man of integrity and public service in pursuit of truth and justice
HoJo – slimy, petulant, sanctimonious worm in pursuit self-aggrandizement
Lieberpuke gets much more air time by threatening to switch than he would if he actually did, so he most likely he won’t switch.
But if he wants to, let him go and good riddance!
As long as we have the House we’ll be OK. Then in ‘08 we’ll get the Presidency and the Senate and Lieberpuke can slither away with his slimey Repug minority friends or maybe take a job with Halliburton.
snowbird42 @ 47
Right on David Sirota.
mui @ 42
Alas, it was only the Lamont supporters and voters that turned blue.
President HRC is NOT inevitable. No matter what this arrogant Senator would have us believe. The Clinton campaign is attempting to railroad the Democratic Party.
is it possible that simply because liebershit has “no Intentions”– that ends it?
If that is the case the weare all fucked folks! I am sure that someone else on the comittee can institute an investigation.
Hi Jane,
Keep up the good work on all these subjects. I wish you could debate him on TV, you would squash him like the bug he is.
It’s all a case of I owe you, you owe me…backroom deals, he knows if he bolts to the Repugs he won’t lose any stature, they will appoint him to key committees. As far as the Dems who made this happen, what can I say but Aaaargh!
They are just as beholden to the corporate masters and want to maintain the money flow and the status quo. I hate to say that because I enjoyed Clinton as Prez, until he did the horny 17 yr old boy thing and couldn’t keep it in his pants. I’m no prude, but geez! The eyes of the world are on ya and you can’t control yourself?
Here is the big issue with politics today..who actually represents their constituents? You know the people who voted you in to represent their views. We, the people, have no voice at all right now. I am activist enough to keep trying but not so naive to think I can make a difference.
Be careful out there Jane. Truthtellers disappear. I toyed with jouranalism for awhile, but I am the type who would have been killed for digging up and exposing too much dirt. (well back in the day when that was the media’s responsibility and I would have not been blocke d from doing so)
Notta Flatlander @ 53
We did a tremendous amount of work, and I don’t think the election was the final outcome of what we did. I think we planted seeds and awareness in people’s heads.It’s very easy to sit far away and make judgments.
I want Lieberman to switch. I’m tired of dealing with him.
Lieberman and the Hindenburg.
One was a gasbag that killed many people and crashed to the ground in flames. The other was an airship.
Here’s an idea. Maybe Harry Reid should take Joe aside and say:
Never happen, I know. But still, it’s what the nitwit deserves.
Notta Flatlander @ 59
ROFL!
When Hillary tells me if I don’t like her stand on Iraq to vote for someone else, it reminds of Bush and Lieberman.
Joe Lieberman has become the Anna Nicole Smith of politics. The media can’t stop with him, he’s embarrassing to watch, and he takes up space the way the wrong person does in your bed the next morning.
HoJo is a bug screaming to be squashed (or at least taken outside).
I blame the Clintons.
mui @ 57
Whoa dude or dudette! I wasn’t making judgments – I was sympathizing! Trying to anyway. I was sharing your frustration.
Lieberman is a power-hungry, unscrupulous man who somehow convinced the people of Connecticut to vote him back despite the clear evidence that he was no true Democrat.
I wish you could recall him via election. Instead we are stuck with him. Shame on Connecticut!!!
PS: I have a feeling that unless there is some real jackass holdout, the jury verdict will come back tomorrow. Juries usually don’t like to go into a weekend before they render a verdict. This trial has taken a long time and I am sure the jury is exhausted. Here’s hoping…
McCain Slams Bush Administration on Iraq and Global Warming, Criticizes Both Cheney and Rumsfeld
I gotta love this.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..SFeeds0312
I hope he switches to Repug- they deserve him!
I take back the whole “shame on Connecticut.” I can’t blame the whole state….there were so many that worked so hard for Lamont….What a shame he is not representin’ in the Senate
Why sould anyone coddle Joe the Jellyfish anymore? Encourage him to go ahead and make the switch of parties. Let him become a Republican so those that are trying to do what is right can move on and focus on real issues.
speaking from an undisclosed location in Tareyton, CT, Joe said he’d rather switch than fight.
I blame many of the rich and powerful for this; I’d start a list but my head would explode and then what?
There’s something(s) very rotten in this country…
thank goodness for FDL.
ABC News (h/t Oklahoma Kiddo @ 66):
Oy vey. This from Senator Surge.
He’s just trying to create a backtrack record for when the surge goes wrong.
I’m serious. I want this baby Lieberman, OUT!
I agree with Sirota.
The Democratic Party must not tolerate anymore the continued emotional blackmail from Joe Lieberman.
I say get it on and toss his flaccid ass to the curb and let Rove and Bush hold his hand.
-GSD
OMG. Where on earth did you dig up that picture? What an evil troika.
Showin yer age punaise?
And Hill has a serious attitude prob.
LSMFT?
A little action on the homefront reported by Maura.
GSD @ 74
Then throw them an anchor via more Fitz prosecution, investigations, Waxman oversight, chimpeachment and huge democratic voter turnout in November.
Notta Flatlander @ 76
those 60’s TV jingles left an indelible mark on my youthful psyche.
Looks like Holy Joe’s owned by the Bush family, just like Nader. Bush family roots are really deep there. Only recently have they been pretending to be Southerners.
Makes me suspicious of anyone from CT.
punaise,
I would rather fight than switch.
GSD @ 74
try new “Joeghurt!” with the
acidopholousflaccid off ole’ ass cultureLieberman is not a Democrat. The Democratic Party owes him nothing.
mui @ 79
thanks mui– great op-ed. kudos to the writers and signatories.
;(
I’m just gonna go bat-sh*t if the jury doesn’t come back with a verdict tomorrow – waiting waiting waiting through the weekend would be sooo crazy-making!
Plus, I’m thinking it could indicate some major disagreement(s) going on in that room – my constant fear is that a secret wingnut might have gotten through – OK – this kind of thinking is not constructive – chalk it up to paranoia…
Drive by …
Errrr, about the picture and Howie’s post yesterday.
Once again Jokeline looks on from his Ivory Tower and illuminates his ignorance and weighs in with a pathetic attempt at telling CA CD-10 voters that he thinks they are idiots like the rest of us “rabble”.
Interesting little poll where you can vote on senators. Not scientific of course, but still fun. Lieberliar ranks at the bottom.
angie @ 86
angie, long time no see.
Joe sucks and he’s a putz. Ned-heads in CT like myself and mui are a little sensitive to the entire state being blamed. Joe ran a nasty, fraudulent campaign.
But, really, let’s look at this clearly. The only reason he gets any air time at all is by threatening to switch. That’s pathetic.
It’s obvious that the tide has turned on Iraq with the preponderance of polls showing how unpopular it is. Joe picked the losing side. He has no influence in the senate – watch C-span with they vote and you’ll see that other senators don’t talk to him while he follows John McCain around like a puppy. Only Fox invites him to be interviewed – no one is interested anymore. The wheels on McCain’s campaign are coming off and the president Joe supports has a 30-35% approval rating. Our allies are leaving Iraq and it is imploding slowly.
It doesn’t matter what Joe does or how he votes. Harry Reid knows this but he’s smart enough to be underestimated. The house is forging ahead with resolutions, investigations, and tightening the purse strings. Joe just looks stupid spouting the same old bull.
I do not want Hillary or Obama. And I’ve been a Democrat a lot longer than either of these two.
And thanks to Sharkbabe who is such a good example of responding to evil with exuberant energy. And the occasional swear word.
A toast to ye, Sharkbabe!
let’s not forget barbara boxer’s rush to joementum’s side after ned lamont kicked his sorry ass.
General Wes Clark’s new web site:
StopIranWar.com
The sooner he flips, the better. Good riddance to bad trash.
I am more angry with certain members of my party (Demos) than I am with the Republicans.
notaboomer @ 94
We can go on and on with that one. Hillary’s letter to the DTCs talking about what a good guy HoJoe was on social security. Barack Obama chastising the booers as if they were children at the fundraising dinner. . .
SusanM is right. HoJoe ran a disgusting campaign as well. The phone messages, church fliers, alleged vote buying, and all the flat out lies.
Badwater @ 82
I’m from CT. It’s not CT in general, it’s the Yale Mafia. Seriously.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
O.K., is this satire? You’re sounding an awful lot like Joe.
DeWitt Grey @ 10
I agree 100% – I really am beyond frustration. I’d say the Democratic leadership is getting what they deserved – but we the people are getting nailed too.
Screw you Bill Clinton and all the other Lieberliar enablers.
mui @ 42
So sorry mui. I know how it feels being from Florida.
Meanwhile. . . .Shooter and Howard Should Get a Room!
David Ehrenstein @ 103
I have a room in mind.
It’s called a “cell” — at the Hague.
Suzanne @ 45
Hahahahaha we are full of people with ADD who are all over multitasking. BEWARE.
I can bring home the bacon
Fry it up in a pan
And never, ever let you forget you’re a man
‘Cause I’m a woman…
Woman…of FDL…
Yeah I’m saying.
Cause I’m a woman…
Woman of FDL.
Jane.
Christy.
Marcy.
Somebody’s got to write the new lyrics.
I was thinking more Building 18.
Alas Jane, it seems the CW with Senate Democrats is:
It seems they ain’t never gonna learn. He pisses on their shoes, and all they can say is how they still like the shine.
ccmask @ 102
It’s o.k. I guess I am a little sensitive on this issue. It seemed sometimes like we were already working very hard and then being told to work harder. But you know the deal, when Rethuglikan money comes pouring into your state it’s a tidal wave.
Oklahoma kiddo @
92
After finding out about this, I’m going to have a harder time getting behind Obama than I thought. I wasn’t exactly excited about him, but he was seeming better than the other options.
Lot of people asking me why we are going after Tauscher.
I said because she is not fairly representing her constituents.
Is there a better reason?
I do not see what I regard as ‘loyal opposition’ by many members of my party, to Republican ideology. It’s that simple. What I get from the Repubs I expect. I do not expect the same from the Democratic Party.
Here’s a Cheney quote from that disgusting article David linked to:
“Our purposes in this world are good and right.”
Saying it doesn’t make it so.
Just like a certain pResident saying “I am a Christian.”
People whose purposes are good and right don’t need to announce it. People who act in a Christ-like manner never announce it.
urban pirate @ 99
Bush roots, no. A Bushie got pummeled by Lowell Weicker.
Mrs. K8 @ 112
Well sometimes you have to, if asked on national Russian TV why you are working 5,000 miles from home for someone else’s children. I said because I am a Christian like your Pravoslav [Orthodox Xn]. And some amazing TV editor let that segment go on national television in 1999. Hope they weren’t fired or worse.
egregious @ 110
No.
JGabriel @ 46
This is true. Irritating though some democrats may be, at least they are not repiglicans. Remember Hubert Humphrey! Major downer after Bobby Kennedy, but he would have been infinitely preferable to Nixon.
HHH
It’s almost like the same guys that sit on the boards of major defense contractors also sit on the boards of the major media companies, PR firms and election machine manufacturers.
I’m gonna say something that is totally against what I feel, but I hope the jury doesn’t come back until Monday. I’m convinced there will be some guilty counts, maybe all of them. They should be at the top of the news cycle.
Larry Johnson has a new post up @ No Quarter:
“Rightwing Perjury Doublespeak”
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..l#comments
here ya’ go: quick, somebody tell the cabal!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran…..19,00.html
Hillary’s Calculations Add Up to War
by Robert Scheer
Let’s face it: No matter how much many of us who oppose the war in Iraq would also love to elect a female president, Hillary Clinton is not a peace candidate. She is an unrepentant hawk, la Joe Lieberman. She believed invading Iraq was a good idea, all available evidence to the contrary, and she has, once again, made it clear that she still does.
“If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast a vote [to authorize the war] or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from,” she said in New Hampshire last week, confusing contempt for antiwar Americans—now a majority—with the courage of her indefensible conviction that she bears no responsibility for the humanitarian, economic and military disaster our occupation has wrought.
As a candidate for ’08, Hillary clearly calculates that her war chest, star power, gender and pro-choice positions will be sufficient for her to triumph in the primaries, while being “tough,” pro-military and “supporting our president” will secure her flank in the general election against those who would paint her as that horrible beast, “a liberal.”
http://www.truthdig.com/report…..up_to_war/
egregious @ 110
She’s a female version of Lieberloser?
SusanM @ 91
I agree. Articles dated from the beginning of HoJoe’s tenure show this is an old MO of his. One reporter suspected that HoJoe went back and forth on the Clarence Thomas’ nomination because he liked the attention.
Joe already switched.
The only thing that would change if he actually made it formal would be the I to R
thanks for that Scheer article, OK.
He’s right. From the article:
Maybe Powell called it bullshit again – this time with someone not from the WH there to hear it.
bush – Yale
Cheney – Yale
Wolfowitz – Yale
Libby – Yale
etc…..
Hillary – Yale.
Wish someone would expand on this.
Oklahoma kiddo @
58
And it’s painful to look at him.
TJ @ 118
Well, if Rover were in control, he’d want bad news to go out with the garbage late Friday afternoon. Monday would be just fine.
angie @ 120
Anything new about Cheney’s claim that Iran is seeking uranium from Tanzania??
You know, one of those featureless countries that no one in the American media will follow up on?
cough/bogus/cough/bullshit/cough
urban pirate @
127
Oh. meant to say lieberman too.
notaboomer @
94
Could not agree more. Anyone in Boxer country should start flooding her office with calls and emails about her horrible mistake in supporting this Lieber-clown
I thought Feith and Kristol were Yalies too, but looking it up it appears they are Harvard (magna cum laude).
Maybe I’m reaching. Who knows.
I watched Howard Wolfson, an advisor to Hillary’s campaign, on Hardball last night. He was attacking Obama, blaming Obama for the remarks of the Obama supporter who was quoted in MoDo’s column.
I thought he was totally offensive, and then I remember that he was the “help” that Hillary gave to Lamont after the primary. Judging from last night, I’ll bet a person like Ned found “help” from Wolfson “unhelpful.” I would never have a guy like that speaking for my campaign.
It must be very difficult to become a healthy adult in a family with a history of multi-generational pathology. Normalcy must be an impossible goal to reach if your grandfather robbed bones from graves and then made money for and with Hitler’s war machine.
The Bush family has all of the outward appearances of success. They are wealthy, white, except for Jeb’s “little brown ones,” hold powerful positions and can trace their ancestry back to the bluest blooded New Englanders. Most of them attended Yale, a prestigious institution of higher learning and more importantly a place that can guarantee entry into the rarified world of the American elite.The Black Commentator
I have seen nothing more egregious– and it was Tanzania and the D.R. of Congo, iirc. But this article seems to debunk almost all of our “intelligence”.
Too bad Scooter and Shooter, etc. betrayed “the wife”, eh?
(oh and Medved went to Yale too)
scarecrow @ 135
Reminds me of that scummy Richard Goodstein. I need a shower after any contact with that type of smarmy sob.
Tester, Webb, Lamont. So refreshing.
I’m so sick of the lying.
So what is it in terms of political support that all of these people have in common with Lieberman? I’m just askin’.
Exactly, Scarecrow. No matter how much I want to know the verdict, it would be a shame if it went into Rove’s Friday “take out the trash.”
raven @
131
One of my friends very close by is a Yale law school grad. However, his story is quite different. In fact, he directly stood up to Ashcroft and opposed BushCo. Here’s his story that appeared in the NYT:
http://travel2.nytimes.com/200…..rties.html
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1,435 DYAZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
“Let’s all thank Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Rahm Emmanuel and Bill Clinton for putting us all in this position…”
Right on, sister and let’s not forget Mrs. Clinton. The process of saving our country from the fascist virus that controls right now involves taking control of the Democratic Party back from the corporatists who are ready to consolidate the power the Bush fascists have taken. This, IMO, requires first and foremost beating back Mrs. Clinton and her AIPAC handlers. I am not entirely at ease with Barak Obama, I think that Al Gore may be the only politician strong enough and with a wide enough base and secure enough politics to lead us outta the wilderness. But whatever…if I hafta vote for Barak and hope Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and the black progressive brothers and sisters ken keep him in line, then I will. But I will NEVER cast a vote for Mrs.Clinton.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE LESSER EVILS ARE STILL EVIL!!!
wigwam @ 139
Consider my switches thrown. ;0)
this wll prolly be EPUd but who is supposed to be on Paula Zahn tonite? someone we know. SWOPA????
NorskeFlamethrower @ 142
Thanks for including la Hil. ;0)
oh wow, Muzzy– another great Mr. Rogers!
Give him all the best from me next time you speak!
thank you very, very much for sharing that about your patriotic friend. I have good friends who went to Yale as well.
;)
notaboomer @
94
This I cannot understand. I was shocked.
Joe doesn’t seem to like reality with his lunch, so everyone has to be vewy, vewy quiet about Iraq.
Message to Senator Reid……Joe’s actually been out to lunch for a long time. It’s for the best, really, we wouldn’t want him to choke on his sandwich if someone forgets to stifle themselves. At least he gives potential tablemates an excuse to beg off. Can you hear it, “no really Joe, I’d feel just terrible if I said something to upset you, maybe you should sit with Biden.
This video has had an affect of my opinion of the Clintons.
http://video.google.com/videop…..nd+control
I can’t imagine that “dumping” the verdict on Friday would lessen its impact. If in fact Fitz has his eyes set on Cheney or others, a Libby conviction story will have more than enough legs to get through the weekend. It would be, in my opinion the biggest story of the year….unless of course Bush gets crazy and drops bombs on Iran.
Can you just imagine? These Iraqis don’t want us there? (occupying their country and killing their men, women and children) Talk about ingratitude! 600,000 and counting.
Insurgent bomb factory found in Baghdad
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..mi_ea/iraq
scarecrow @
135
Nice catch, as per usual.
urban pirate @ 127
ifthethunderdontgetya – [redacted]
Anyways…my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never die. Even Gollum wouldn’t be his friend.
angie – will do. Right now, he’s spearheading an effort to build momentum locally for health care workers, mental health in particular, to offer assistance pro bono to veterans in great need returning from Iraq. I think it’s time to have lunch again.
angie @ 137
You rang?
I typed this You rant?
And I think that’s the better translation.
Please do use this good word, they have gone too far. That’s what it means.
snowbird42 @ 47
I have to agree with Sirota. Anyway, if the few synapses I have left are functioning, I thought Reid had taken action precisely to avoid this situation, i.e., that the original vote on the organization of the Senate was binding for the term. If my synapses have failed me (not the first time), it would not be a great tragedy to lose control of the Senate. Despite their mantra of “up or down vote” while they had the majority, the Repugs will filibuster any issue of substance whenever they can, which is, apparently, every vote, given their authoritarian ways. While I am loathe to lose Leahy as chairman of his committee, I think the nation will survive, since we have the House. Let the SOB go and we as a party will be better for it!
KO: per AP: Senate Democrats considering legislation that will restrict US forces in Iraq to fighting Al-Queda….
scarecrow @ 135
scarecrow: do let us know when you decide to run for public office! i promise to try to keep my mouth shut, but i’d still like to help out… sweep the floor, make the coffee, whatever…
Accountability!
notaboomer @
94
Maybe someone should ask her if given her support of Lieberman she is now considering backing McCain as well, and if not why not.
heh! Should be: I have seen nothing more, egregious!
Wish him luck Muzzy.
Great thoughts Norske!
Phoenix Woman @
11
Yes, according to another blogger seemingly knowledgeable about the Senate’s rules, even if Lieberman “cuts and runs” to the dark side (where he truly belongs), this would not alter Democrats’ control of the Senate. This blogger (Tarquin) wrote:
The Senate already passed an organizing resolution that made no provision for changing in the balance of power. Mitch McConnell might become Majority Leader, but the Committee memberships are set and the Chairs will remain firmly in the hands of the Democrats. Contrast this to 2001, where the 50-50 Senate had a provision to change the committee membership in event of a change in membership.
Don’t take my word for it, read the bills!
http://www.govtrack.us/congres…..l=sr110-27
http://www.govtrack.us/congres…..l=sr110-28
So even if Lieberman switches, the Dems will still have the Committees.
Been hangin round waiting for that Flamethrower. Light em up bro.
Dr. Bong @
14
And it is delightful to see you ‘ere!
Joey’s still a dim bulb.
pundit @ 162
Thanks, pundit. This is what I was trying to get across in my last comment (156). Nice to know the synapses are still functional once in a while!
I agree. If he switches, he loses his chairmanships and the real Dems can start the investigations he’s weasling out on. (appologies to weasles everywhere)
I want the Democrats to force Lieberman out.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 145
you’ve seen this? (senator clinton’s feb 1 aipac remarks)
here’s the begining of starhawk’s latest… (and it get’s even better, i highly recommend the whole thing)…
compare and contrast. clinton cf starhaw.
who is the better friend of israelis? of palestinians? of americans?
selise @ 22
Why wait? Can’t the Democrats just kick him out?
Does CT have a recall provision?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 168
You beat me to it!
Liebertman’s first loyalty is to Israel so of course he holds to G Bush, so of course the Clintons supported him, a). because of Bill’s debt to The Lobby/PNAC/AIPAC, and b). because Hillary represents NY!
Pectopah @ 169
There is no recall for members of Congress.
Do we have two TJs tonight?
[Mod Note; it would appear that we do.]
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 153
You forgot about Kerry!
MayDaze @ 172
I thought AZ has a recall petition going for McCain?
selise @
158
I have a better idea, selise. You run for office and I’ll write the speeches, make the coffee, sweep the floors. I can almost do two of the three well.
selise @ 22
Sirota mentions the Star Wars Emperor at the end. What was his name. He was a Senator before becoming Emperor, and is a Lieberman look alike.
Joey Lies feels “uncomfortable” about Iraq?
I would like to see him go spend three months
or perhaps even six months embedded with the
US troops there…you know—riding around in
humvees,trucks and going for helo rides…
get some real Iraq experience…then he can
come back and talk about his “comfort level”
with Harry and the DC DEMS…WTF’s with this
whiney,sniveling turd? Oh—take that even
bigger turd Dick Cheney with you Joe…being
Dick has the “stomach” for the Iraq Oil War.
Senator Palpatine?
Evening Firedogs,
ya know, I was so glad to be home for the evening, hang with some pre Fitzy goodness, share with you all that I regularly remind Senators Boxer, Reid, & Schumer that they brought Liebushman on themselves . . .
and then I caught this -
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ?!?!?!
I ran the mouse over the link thinking it was from The Onion -
even a casual student of history knows this is what destroys a country, a people, a way of life
I need Kirk Murphy and Pachacutec, STAT !!!
This is Borderline Personality Disorder writ large – for years I’ve been asking rhetorically if they truly think we are 7 year olds b/c they try this shit – but in a moment of blogpiphany – I realized they truly aren’t concious of trotting all this out before – which is exactly what someone on the intense end of BPD will do. “With Us or With The Terrorist”, the serial, casual discard of once valued retainers – all of it –
I want everyone of those unnamed sources, several intelligence officials, and all the other sources to come the fuck out NOW!, don’t really want to spend the last few moments of my nuclear winter hearing of some bastard’s We-had-prior-knowledge mea culpa
jesus christ you guys, I am fucking losing it.
“Delenda est Darthago !”
Pectopah @ 176
The Constitution makes no provisions for recall of members of Congress. You may be thinking of a state issue in AZ.
Pectopah @ 178
I think it was Palpatine, Joe Palpatine.
MayDaze @
166
You are most welcome, May Daze. I saw your earlier comment and wanted to confirm your belief of the rules because I was stressed out by the idea of ole two-timing Lieberman being able to hold the Senate hostage with his threats of switching sides (he can do it to both sides). Your post gave me hope that he could not do this (so Thank You). [Edited by mod/sc].
How pathetic is Lieberman? He sends kids off to fight and die in a war, and he doesn’t even have the courage to have lunch with people who talk about it. What a hero.
Scarecrow @ 180
Senator
PalpatineLieberman.(Except the only Force Holy Joe has is the jowls of whine.)
karelroc @
133
And they should also point out to her that Arnold Schwarzenegger is considering taking a run at her Senate seat. She has less support from the left than she thinks she does, and with him in the race, she won’t be up against the usual Republican crazy right-wing-nut. He could actually beat her. She’ll need all the help she can get from everybody. This might be a good time to start expressing disappointment with Lieberman’s post-election behavior.
pundit @ 184
Absolutely agree! Thanks for the response.
about recalls, here’s this:
http://electionlawblog.org/archives/007862.html
sorry for your anxiety, cbl. ;(
cbl @ 180
I thought Iran had its own source of uranium?
Scarecrow @ 177
oh that’s funny. hilarious. and it most certainly will not do. hmm…. how about you write the speeches and i’ll make the coffee while ryan runs for office (as soon as he’s out of school, that is). and to heck with the floors.
spurious @
116
First political compromise of many, for me. I went door-to-door for HHH in fall 1968 — not popular where I lived, and not my choice (Clean for Gene). But my grandma’d inculcated Nixon hatred in my cradle, so I knew there’d be a cold moon rising with him in the White House.
Some evenings I’m glad she’s not here to see the Unitary Executive 2.0 as implemented by Nixon proteges.
MayDaze @ 188
pundit @ 184
You are most welcome, May Daze. I saw your earlier comment and wanted to confirm your belief of the rules because I was stressed out by the idea of ole two-timing Lieberman being able to hold the Senate hostage with his threats of switching sides (he can do it to both sides). Your post gave me hope that he could not do this (so Thank You). [edited by mod/sc].
Absolutely agree! Thanks for the response.
Most welcome indeed.
Hillary Clinton is so out of touch with what’s needed in the whole of the Middle East. I used to think this woman was the smartest thing going. I was wrong.
Pectopah @ 190
Yup, I was right. For Raw Story Article:
One official close to the United Nations Security Council explained that Iran has its own mines, making any allegations of imported uranium from abroad highly questionable.
“Why would Iran import U-238 when it mines it itself?” The official asked Raw. “This makes no sense whatsoever.”
I’ve been thinking about the “indictments” in the WaPoo with photo modifications as “mugshots” and comparing that to the kerfluffle when Jane had the guts to put up her photo modification of “JoLo”.
Hmmpf. I mean, the WaPoo is a “major” publication, no? No one screaming and yelling over it, but “JoLo” (aka: Me-Me-Me-Me) went all nuts and everything.
Oklahoma kiddo @
193
You weren’t the only one. In 1992, I thought she was great—funny, relaxed, lively, spirited. She has become some kind of wooden block since then, and so compromised that it’s impossible to tell where she stands on anything. No more spontaneity, no personality, no nothing. Just stubbornness. I cannot figure out why she thinks it would be wrong, or even politically foolish, to apologize for having supported the war. She will never move past this issue—it will just keep coming up everywhere she goes. A lot of us were wrong.
Joe Lieberman is on the take. It’s the simplist, most likely explanation.
Isn’t Ari Fleisher wonderful?
thanks angie –
hideous little irony – U-238 – DU(depleted uranium)238 genetically poisoning a couple generations of US Military Families. Mostly in Gulf War I as it is ‘tank killer’ and I frankly don’t know how often it has been used this time – although they’ve probably used it in non tank apps just b/c it’s cheap
that would be former intel official – wtf is keeping these folks from coming forward ?!?!? if Tyler Drumheller and Michael Scheuer can speak – why not these folks, and why not yesterday ?!?!
and yes, Pectopah, anyone with a 7th grade social studies book should know Iran has plenty of it’s own uranium, but then again anyone with the same book would be up on the whole Iraq tribalism thingy ; )
. . .still losing it X(
Blue Dido @ 197
It is the power, corrupting.
cbl at 5:43 pm
Great rant!
OT, great job with the Gabbly chat.
Jay @ 198
Well, since his wife is a lobbyist, I’d have to agree. But then, doesn’t the same apply to a distressingly large number of our elected “representatives”?
Yep, Dru @ 201. Hi there.
Boudica @
185
Maybe he could go bunk in with the guys in Building 18?
John Casper @ 152
I recall lots of enthusiasm hereabouts when Wolfson was detailed to Ned’s campaign after he met Hill in Chappaqua. Then, RGJoe lied his way to victory, unchallenged by National Democratics.
Wrt (depleted uranium) in munitions, I know the A-10 Warthog, uses it for its 30 mm GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling gun. Because of the high muzzle velocity, they rip through tank armor.
Yep.
Connecticutians (is that workd?) should redeem themselves by proposing a state-wide vote of no-confidence in their putative republicrat senator in their next general election.. and make it clear that this guy doesn’t represent them… then he can add statelessness to his partylessness. Senator Joseph Lieberman (BLANK-NADA). condemn him to spending his remaining four years in the cold, sitting by himself in the senate, and then political oblivion thereafter.
Jay @ 198
Yup! He took Rep money during the election so why not take more now. Plus there would be many companies that really aren’t interested in have their activities scrutinized by Congress.
DU rounds can be classified in many different types of ammunition. DU is employed in tank rounds (usually as a kinetic dart/projectile, high-explosive device, or smart bombs)1, heavy machine guns (as used by US Bradley Fighting Vehicles), gatling guns (as used by US Apache helicopters, A-10 Warthogs, Harrier jets, and other anti-personnel aircraft), artillery (e.g. Howitzers and mortar shells), and probably in ultra-high caliber sniper rifles. The most common DU round is a high kinetic energy projectile. The projectile can pierce all forms of heavy armor. Contact temperature between the projectile and the armor is 1132 degrees C.1 DU also easily burns, just like magnesium, upon penetration, adding to the effectiveness of the ammo as an armor piercing device.14c
DEPLETED URANIUM AMMO
Blub @ 209
Can senators be recalled?
angie @ 189
Okay, if we cannot recall a Senator, can we recall a State?
Maybe that would be easier.
how many weapons and weapons-systems corporations are quartered in Connecticut? It doesn’t take long to see that those whose bread is buttered by war will not bite the hands that provide the bread nor the butter.
MayDaze @ 156
I’d like a policy of transparency about RGJoe’s demands, like the topic of the lunches. We should know exactly the compromises Senate Dems make with RGJoe — but I’d like to hear from the members on his Homeland Security Committee about what he’s bottled up there, please!
You are so correct, Dru 200, I work in TV and sometimes I’m near these politicals and the treatment they receive is breathtaking. I doubt if many of us could resist being swept up by continuous ass kissing.
Well there’s Sikorsky and the sub base and maybe about 5 gun manufacturers…
that’s just off the top of my tired head.
I’ve run out of imprecations worthy of describing Lieberman’s foulness.
punaise @ 218
Shit eatin dog f*cker?
apparently, cbl wont be leaving ‘Tanzania’ anytime soon (can actually feel the bp spike)
ya know, if we didn’t have to be on our best behavior for this trial . . . I would propose a gaggle of us stand outside the courthouse everyday, dressed as Ms. Plame (scarf, sunglasses) with signs that simply read -
Who Will Dick Betray To Get His Iran On ?
all those cocktail weenie guzzlers waiting around – jes sayin’
President Bush never stops teaching.
Bottom feeding pond scum?
Pectopah @ 195
Memo to Dick Cheney: Dontcha wish you had B-J to rely on, or expose, or out? Cuz we are on to you, stoopit.
Blue Dido @ 197
She needs to be asked why she did not read the classified NIE, made available only to Senators, before the vote. She and many Senators failed in their due diligence.
You want some truly good news?
Esten is back in pre-school.
Praise God!!
raven,
that’s caprophagic dog f*cker ! : )
cbl @ 200
So that’s why they want to cut public education.
TeddySanFran @ 215
Good catch, Teddy. I’d like to know what he has bottled up, too!
(routine ziggurat maintenance)
I have to say this about Hillary. She is of the smoothest operators I have ever seen.
Blub @
209
Nutmeggers, unite!
Memo to Dick Cheney: Not only are we on to you, the whole world is!
egregious @ 36
egr bold
My CAP’D BOLD ITALICS. Thanks for the honor you do me, egregious. I’m proud to be a FirePup! :)
———————
(: Just to stay on topic: When did JoeMentum morph from a moderately respectable middle-of-the-road Dem into the weaselly reprobate he now is? I know it was before Lamot whupped his sorry ass. Was it his pro-war vote in the Senate? He seems to have been smarmy since time immemorial these days. Good Riddance if he goes (or is pushed bodily to!) where his bread is buttered. All’s I ask is that he should only quick lose all his precious bodily fluids (oops, I meant all his precious Senate seniority.) :)
Should have known I was in way over my head!
that’s caprophagic dog f*cker ! : )
SusanM @ 91
So in consideration of all the crap that HoJo has pulled, what has happened to his almost 1/2 million dollar petty cash fund that we heard about during the election? Anything happening on that front? Anyone following up? Fitz starts with the little stuff and goes to the top. How about Connecticut progressives?
egregious @ 225
I am sure Tommy is thrilled! That is great news.
AZ Matt @
210
Well, at least none of those companies have anything to do with Homeland Security or Government Operations, the Senate Committee RGJoe chairs, so there’s no conflict or pay-to-play — oh, wait.
Blub @ 209
I think that is pronounced CANNOT-CUT-AND-RUN-IANS
Jane!
Lieberman?
Dems shafted him in the Primary and then the November election. No wonder he is bitter and confused.
Let him go to caucus with the Republicans.
Jim
TeddySanFran
Ya, I know, the prezs of those companies are probably related to Joe by bank accounts. Money is thicker than ethics and you can’t retire to Paraguay on ethics. (Just figuring he would want to be next to his kissin’ cousin GW)
AZ Matt @ 241
Sometimes I wish the “great sucking sound” of the Oughties was their wake as the wealthy elites all flew to South America to their palaces, but then I realized they’ll only leave when it’s really bad for them here. Which means they will have made it bad for all of us here.
But that they have a backup.
Why not offer a Republican opposed to the surge Lieberman’s committees to change party?
cbl @
181
sorry for the delay, cbl
( – pager problems – )
at your service…..
but at the moment, the most likely diagnosis is DSM-IV-TR 301.7 – aka Antisocial Personality Disorder
“Antisocial Personality Disorder” is shrink-talk for “sociopath”.
On a biological level, some studies show that APD correlates with a decreased biolgical capacity to experience anxiety. (This doesn’t excuse any sociopath’s acts, of course.)
Shooter meets the following criteria:
A # 1-7
B
D (no longitudinal history….but significant recent info suggest Delusional Disorder symptoms.)
I’m blissfully unaware of Cheney’s pre-electoral history, so I can’t speculate on criteria C…..
[and I won’t cite criteria for conduct disorder ’cause the interrater reliablity is crap and the diagnosis is too often used as an an epithet for “bad kid”, irrespective of the dianostic criteria.
further discussion would require me to rant about the bizzare cultural disconnect betweeen child/adolescent vs adult psychiatry I observe in community health care.]
OK – brief rant – in pediatrics/medicine, diagnoses don’t magically go away when the patient reaches 18. Unfortunately, Type I diabetes and hypertension don’t see the birthday candles and flee.
In psych diagnoses, there’s this bizzare bifurcation between adult vs adolescent.
In psych formal diagnosis, children/adolescents have diagnoses that disappear when they turn 18…
even though the symptoms (and presumably biology causing same) stubbornly cling on past the eighteenth birthday.
So, to wrap up my rant, I (once) saw adolescents and now see adults with diagnostic histories of “oppositional-defiant disorder” and “conduct disorder” and “borderline personality disorder*”.
And many other “diagnoses” once rare which blossomed when the “health care” industry redfined adolescence as a pathological condition.
[This was before the smart dirty money moved to make adolesence a criminal disorder - which was right about the time the smart money built the private prisons.
That was right after the smart dirty money saw coming their way the criminal conspiracy investigations of the adolescent
insurance mills
work camps“hospitals”The more things change….]
OK – back to our patient du jour. Today’s intake – last week’s – next week’s.
Over and over.
The review of psychiatric symptoms reveals overt manic/hypomanic episodes (in adults) or severe/intense/bizzare depressive episodes (in kids).
And antidepressants made things worse.
And, oh yeah – someone in the family takes drug x – lithium? – for “depression”. And umpty umph relatives have histories of clinical depression.
And our young patient has been put on stimulants for “ADD”, and then went to the hospital, and the stimulants were changed around, and the antidepressnats were added….
And our young patient went back in the hospital….
And this happened over and over, with pain for all.
And lo and fucking behold the reason our young patient had the first hospitalization is that the stimulants commonly prescribed for “ADD” basically act like speed (amphetamine). Amphetamine, like other stimulants, blasts off manic episodes. As do antidepressants.
And lo and fucking behold the greater the number of sibs /parents /parent’s sibs /grandparents with the affective disorder called “depression”, the greater the gentic risk for all affective disorders. And “manic-depression” (bipolar) disorder is an affective disorder.
So the family member who takes lithium – a mood stabilizer for bipolar disorder – and the umpty-ump relatives with depression are clues for informed clinicians that our young patient is at much higher than average risk for bipolar disorder.
Now, back to our patient – in his or her twenties or early thirties.
The history of psychiatric symptoms – a structured interview that takes about 10-15 minutes – often clinches the diagnosis.
Psych diagnoses are still based on the lifelong history of certain sets of symptoms. The presence or absence of symptoms sets makes the criteria for diagnoses (or the lack of).
The history of symptoms allows the longitudinal (over time) information required for accuate diagnosis.
Note to families: Failure to elicit the history is very common.
So the odd abiological diagnostic premises underlying the adolescent psych care I saw in the community tracked our young patient to a whole world of avoidable hurt.
Jeebus – what a rant – and the delivered sushi’s waiting.
RANT CAVEATS -
Clinicians who actually apply the diagnsotic criteria and recognize affective disorder in children/adolescents do a whole world of good – and there are many around. Bless ‘em.
The psych care for children/adolescents in academic medical centers was where I saw the best care, and I would trust family members to the care I saw at UCLA.
And now for sushi.
I have to apologize to the eel.
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[* no , bpd doesn’t go away at 18…. nitpicker. :)]
cbl @ 226
No, it’s coprophagic. Caprophagics eat goats. Or maybe figs.
Leiberman always reminded me of the whinny actor who played the father in the television series ‘alf’… can’t stand leiberman’s whinny voice or face… let him join alf and eat cats… oops that really isn’t fair to cats or alf.
RECALL RECALL RECALL!!!
LET HIM GO! IN FACT PUSH HIM!
Lieb sits as Chair of those Committees at the graces of the Democrats.
If he is stripped the Republicans will have to give up one of their positions to keep him on the Committee.
Thus the Democrats would not only rid themselves of an obstructionist Chairperson…but also effectively reduce the voting strength of the Republicans by ONE. They would thus truly control the committees.
Chokin’ Joe has left and gone astray, eh? The Democrats have a problem. Joe has already gone over to the Dark Side. If they continue to caucus with him, Darth Cheney will know details of their discussions within minutes. So we’ll have a little more political theater. Joe pretending he’s being forced out. Democrats not admitting to wanting him to go, even though both know he’s already left the building.
Once Joe puts on his clone uniform, he’ll be just another clone. Not a standout, gosh we need you wadda you want, Senator, lynchpin. He won’t like that. He’ll want something in exchange, such as being named to McCain’s ticket. Fine with me; I don’t think that one will make it past the first primary.
But Joe’s rank deception makes clear just how much of a knife fight the next election will be. As will also be true of all the work we expect the Senate to do between now and then.
The Lieberman case unfortunately proves one more time that the American people are utterly stupid dumbass voters.
In 1992 they elected the GOP and Contract with America. Why? HAWWWNKK!!
The GOP gridlock the government and Americans re-elect them again and again. Why? HAWWWNK!!
Then, Contract defunct, the GOP impeaches Clinton over utter bullshit, and 70% of the people support Clinton. HAWWWNK!
In 2000 they re-elect the impeaching GOP assholes again along with Bush. Why? HAWWWNNNK!!
In 2004 they elect them again along with Bush after all the disasters 2000-2004.Why? HAAAWWWNK!
The in 2006 Lieberman loses the nomination in Conn., betrays his party and the stupid fools of Conn., who clearly opposed the war, elect him again. DOUBLE HAWWWNNK!
Is there no end to the stupidity of Americans?
Expel Lieberman from the party officially and unofficially. Freeze him out. Let the fuvkface join the Republicans. Good luck to them and him in 2008.
The majority Democrats in the Senate can effect nothing anyway.
And Bush has a veto besides.
The House can defund/bankrupt Bush’s wars and that’s the only thing the Democrats can do.
I got taken to task on Gilliard’s blog for saying that the writing was on the wall when I saw that Lieberman managed to get 48% of 100% in a purely Democratic primary. It was clear that adding the Republican votes to that figure would easily secure his victory.
Why the slothful, apathetic, ignorant Democratic voters of CT (not the ones who voted Lamont) chose to vote for this worm I’ll never know.
Slothrop @ 40
Agree. Call his bluff. Tell him to go. What’s wrong with Reid that he can’t see this? Go Joe. Go to the dark side. That’s where you belong!
In other news, Richard Simmons has threatened to “turn gay”.
egregious @
36
egr bold
I hope you are writing that long story. Your exciting moment in history (”Better living through technology”) could bring home to thousands simple truths about citizenship, the significance of individual contributions and, most importantly, the great adventure of using technical occupations in real life.
Pectopah @
238
Is this possible, “no confidence” or a state recall? If he was my senator, I’d have sponsored the research already… knowing the time would come. L. is a proud man, an arrogant man… what would give him pause?