
A favorite practice of the Pajamofascist set is, when faced with a losing argument, to publish your advesary's home contact information on line. Michelle Malkin was a pioneer in this innovatively thuggish means of silencing opposing view-points as we discussed here the other night. She puts the information out there and her ghoulish readers do the rest, placing harassing phone calls, sending death threats, and performing the same job as Ann Coulter's "little Nazi block-watchers". "Citizen advocates" my green scaly ass.
After having her own contact information "outed" on the web in retaliation for her calling out the flying monkeys on a group of pacifist college students, Malkin herself moved house and henceforth disavowed the practice of "outing". (Funny how that shoe feels on the other foot, isn't it, Michelle?) But, that doesn't mean that her followers and advocates have taken the same approach.
For those of you just joining us, there is an unholy trinity of Right Wing bloggers whose crimes against civil discourse and respect for privacy are second only to their crimes against the English language. They write, in the words of Thers from Whiskey Ashes, "like they wear their 18th century wigs powdered in the purest cocaine".
Who are these three lock-stepping American brownshirts? They go by the names of "Tacitus" (Josh Trevino), "Patterico" (Patrick Frey), and "Paste-Eater" (Jeff Goldstein). All three of them have been involved at some point in threatening to publish (or in the actual publication) of liberal opponents' contact information. Patterico noisily threatened TBogg last fall. Goldstein went so far as to publish Thers from Whiskey Ashes' real name and home contact information, giving his readers something to do with the time each day that they aren't spending whacking off in their moms' basements and scouring AP photos for signs of Photoshop "kerning". Goldstein's readers deluged Thers with hate mail and threats, and one found a photograph of Thers's infant daughter and opined charmingly that she had "dick-sucker lips".
And now, Trevino (now a paid Wingnut Welfare recipient at the Claremont Institute), who at one point anointed himself the arbiter of "Online Integrity" (a doomed-from-the-outset effort to rope bloggers on both sides into signing a document that assured that they would never engage in the kind of personal smears and information-outing that Trevino himself made famous) has now trained his toy light saber on Retardo Montalbaln (aka HTML Mencken) of Sadly, No! because Retardo published this photo:

That photo of Tacitus was taken on his wedding day. He is a purportedly grown man, yes, playing with a Star Wars toy in front of God and everybody at his own wedding. How do we know it was his wedding day? Because it was published with a bunch of other photos in Trevino's public Flikr account.
Tacitus/Trevino has taken this as his cue to clamber up on what has to be the World's Shortest High Horse, claiming that photo was stolen and that the publication of pictures from his wedding (by someone other than himself) has endangered him and his family.
Shyeah, whatever.
However, he is now using this as an excuse to "out" the personal information of Retardo/Mencken, who lives in a very conservative area of rural Arkansas, and could very well be placed in immediate danger by having his political affiliation known and broadcast to the four corners of teh Internets. It's typical of the bully tactics of the Right, very typical. What these men can't accomplish in real life, they send out their legions of lunk-headed fans to do and therefore absolve themselves of blame.
Why, that sounds an awful lot like the kind of tactics BushCo is so enamored of. How do you suppose the august fellows of The Claremont Institute feel about one of their own resorting to this kind of bullying and intimidation?
But that's a different story.
Trevino, Frey, and Goldstein are all terribly mediocre writers (and that's being kind) and apparently watching their Beautiful NeoCon Dream of a cake-walk in Iraq and a thousand years of Republican hegemony go up in flames isn't doing good things to their heads. They're becoming increasingly shrill and nonsensical and are lashing out, and given that none of them are going to win any awards for being paragons of mental and emotional stability, it's probably going to get uglier before they each respectively go postal and publish a big "Goodbye Cruel Internet" post and go silent for a week or two, then reappear under a new URL and proceed to make asses of themselves in hitherto inconceivable ways.
And for the record, we at FDL don't want ANY of you going over there and sticking pointy sticks through the cages to see what kind of funny squawking noises these crazies will make. They're not right in the head and picking on them is being needlessly cruel to a group of guys who either don't know any better or can't help themselves, so let it go. We're not going to publish their contact information or urge you to spam their blogs with angry comments because, frankly, we're better than that. We'll leave those kinds of harassments and intimidation techniques to them. Apparently it's all they have left.
Good luck, Retardo! We're all pulling for you.
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TREX!
And now to read.
Madness! Madness! Madness!
Trex!!!!!!
TRex !!
Sorry the post was late going up, kids.
Busy night at work.
TRex @ 6
I was beginning to think you were writing your Chinese Democracy post.
I don’t see how their heads keep from blowing up from the pressure of holding so many inconsistent and contradictory ideas.
I try not to look over there anymore, it’s the reason I gave up the Daou Report (before Daou left himself). You do find yourself yearning to mock them for their idiocy, and I wasn’t raised to persecute the afflicted.
I’m always amazed by TRex’s fine talents in the art of wingnut wrasslin’.
Pin ‘em to the floor and while they’re down, give ‘em another snuggie, please?
Work has been seriously interfering with my blogging these days. But I do finally kind of have a start on the Independent Bloggers’ Alliance site. Got a logo, and a few posts, and some links in the blogroll. Just need more of those–what do you call them–bloggers to fill this thing out.
You should notify the World Health Organization that they need to declare a quarrantine zone around these guys to keep their cooties from spreading.
Alicia @ 8
It’s made possible because of the complete absence of any pressure differential between the insides of their heads and the atmosphere outside. Wingnuts can survive much longer in a complete vacuum for the same reason.
Man, if anyone rats out Retardo they’re gonna have this Very Large Mammal sitting on their chest and bouncing, hard!
TRex @ 6
Worth waiting for! Sha-zaam, that’s good — I especially liked:
heh heh heh…
just gotta say, this TRex fella writes some funny stuff, and yet manages to incorporate some thoughtful analysis.
TRex? I am beginning to find myself wheeling over to FDL nightly so I can read your latest. Keep up the good work!
Fini – what mammal? TRex is a cold-blooded killer.
EvilDrPuma @ 13
Brilliant! A complete vacuum is the perfect place for them.
Q: What do you say to a Wingnut with a job?
A: Big Mac & fries please.
Hello to all the Canadians we have reading here. I was one myself once.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 14
He’s already tried to publish the information in several places.
Really, I guess, it’s just a matter of time before he puts it up somewhere where people will let it stay. He’s too much of a punk to do it on his own blog, so he’s been putting it in other people’s comment threads.
And we’ll probably hear from them tonight, so don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes. All you have to do is mention these guys and they turn up in your thread. Apparently they have nothing better to do than sit around and obsessively google their names.
Mad Dogs @ 19
A: Paper or plastic?
Mad Dogs @ 19
Is that where Goerge Bush will be working next?
Gnome de Plume @ 17
By this mammal I was referring to myself. I am the aforementioned Very Large Mammal, weighing in at 400 lbs plus.
For a sec there, I thought TRex had pagefaulted; but then my disk spun up and I realized that I’d confused the Einzatzgruppen with the Sonderkommandos. Waay different jobs, there. :(
It is an abuse of the very name for a rightwing pro-war, pro-Bush blogger to call himself Tacitus. The Roman historian Tacitus would have hated Bush, and virulently. He wasn’t any flaming leftwinger, for sure, but he had no patience for fools, monarchs, or megalomaniacs, and he would have despised the Bush-Rove-Cheney vision of presidential omnipotence. He wrote these prophetic words, nearly 2000 years ago, putting them in the mouth of a Briton war chief named Calgacus, who was preparing his men to fight the invading Romans: “theft, slaughter, snatching up—under false names they call these empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.” I memorized those lines in Latin almost 30 years ago, and I have muttered them to myself about 1000 times since we started this disastrous war. I don’t know who this guy is, calling himself Tacitus, but he knows very little about Tacitus.
Also: in Latin the name Tacitus means “Silent Man.” Another way this man has mis-named himself.
AZ Matt @ 23
Are you kidding? He wouldn’t last a day. Job’s too hard. And he wouldn’t have a ‘helper’ whispering instructions in his ear.
PLEASE – Just because the pervert Irving G Gordon Libby is married to a Michelle Malkin lookalike does not mean that he is infected with her malign hatred for all that is honest,decent, clean and pure.
We are better than that and so there is no need to descend into the sewer with these filthy, wretched, depraved criminals. Thank you.
Mad Dogs @ 19
Well, the ones who have to live in that “free market” they all claim to worship, at least. You’ll notice the ones on wingnut welfare don’t have to compete on quality, they just need to have connections and to maintain the correct political views, and they’re on the gravy train for life.
Gnome de Plume
you left Canada?…
I thought the place felt emptier… :))
Someone was stupid/stoned enough to marry Tacitus? Now I’m stunned. And not by his light saber.
Goodness, Fini, between the two of you – one very large reptile and one huge mammal – the flying monkeys are doomed!
Alicia @ 27
OK, then he will just have to give speeches in mangled English(?) to Halliburton managers and rightwing church pastors. That couldn’t be too hard and he can have the little box under his jacket.
EPU’d from prev thread…
—————
Pls pardon the zig, but I can’t resist continuing the goodnatured joust with the local snarkangel of punnery…
punaise @ 92
problem was, he kept nodding off….snarkolepsy
A dangerous malady, alas, for one who plans and keeps our sacred FDL snarkives; it’s a wonder he ever stayed awake long enough to earn his degree while studying at the world-famous Snarkitecture school which is located in Little Rock — at the University of Snarkansas.
HeeHee :)
Gnome de Plume @ 20
Thanks Gnome! (You in Alaska by any chance?)
Feel free to drop on by The Next Agenda where you’ll find lots of us canucks. And any other Canadians who like to discuss progressive politics and other cool stuff. ;o)
TheOtherWA @ 31
The number of wingnut women available is staggering, I assure you. I am constantly amazed to hear some of the things I hear come out of the mouths of the wives of some of my friends.
Yeah, what’s Latin for “won’t shut the fuck up”?
AZ Matt @ 23
Junya…work…what’s wrong with that picture?
Q: If you see Junya on a bike, why should you never swerve to hit him?
A: It might be your bike.
TheOtherWA @ 31
After watching him wrangle that mighty weapon, the rest of the evening was a huge let down for the bride, if you get my drift.
My Pajamas Media logo:
http://homepage.mac.com/masonmcd/PJM.png
Gnome de Plume @ 32
Yeah no doubt! TRex can smack em to the ground with his 60 ft. verticalness and I can pin em to the ground with my 66 in. waistline!
Nah, I went from Alberta to Texas. Gee, what industry would that be? ;-)
MasonMcD @ 40
Aw, jeez – that’s fantastic!
OT, but good for wingnut schadenfreude…
No, this was not a prostitution solicitation per se. No, it appears that neither Latham nor Martin has heard of irony or hypocrisy.
}delurk{
I have to say that I wait impatiently everynight for the latest TRex Late Nite post. This one was another gem. You truly do rawk, sir Rex.
Alicia @ 22
A: Please keep my car near the front ’cause I won’t be staying long.
Geez. What in the heck happened? I was reading Pach’s post before and I passed out. I just woke up and T-Rex is up. What in the world is going on?
Shadowstalker
Welcome and thanks for delurking.
ccmask – snarkolepsy?
Shadowstalker @ 45
Why thank you.
Heading home. See you all in a bit.
If Tacitus or Patterico or Goldstein show up, weigh your words carefully. They will be using anything you say as evidence that teh libruls is “Unhinged”.
They might stay away, though. All those boys are scared shitless of Jane.
TRex @ 37
Mos non termino fuck oris
I’ve always been amazed at how well-informed many Canadians are about American politics. Many Canadian friends of mine know more than most Americans I know. Not a surprise to see so many here and donating even!
Was in Toronto recently, and my friends told me about this guy and Party…
http://www.ndp.ca/jacklayton
I love ya Canucks, but sorry to inform you I have begun an elaborate plan to kidnap Mr. Layton, make him an American citizen, and have him run for US Senate. The guy had Mary Jane leaves on his campaign posters, and he’s a legit candidate! Oh, Canada indeed.
MasonMcD @ 40
Aiiiieeee…flying monkeys can’t get off the ground. Must be all the rocks in their heads.
ccmask @ 47
It might be past your bedtime?
Alicia @ 43
Feel free to appropriate/borrow/steal/propagate. I’m calling it “found art” in the tradition of hip-hop sampling.
Because that sounds better than “copyright infringement.”
ccmask – jury is still out and we are still waiting
Well folks, I’ve had my bit of fun for the night. Must turn in now. Don’t stay up too late.
Gnome de Plume @ 49
Ha-ha love it! And I think that “Pajamas Logo” is the best.
Great, T-Rex. Again. Thanks for continuing to call out Hate’R’Us.
Gnome de Plume @ 57
Fine, go, you’ve stayed your hour!
Gnight.
TRex @ 36
Hmm. So many choices. There’s “garrulus.” Also “dicax,” which means not only talkative but prone to making remarks at the expense of others (diminutive: dicaculus). This word, however, might be used for snark, and thus isn’t necessarily what I think you’re looking for. There’s also “loquax” (diminutive: loquaculus). Usually Latin uses verbs for “won’t shut the fuck up,” rather than nouns.
Hope one of these will do. If I think of another before I go to sleep, I’ll put it up.
TRex – one of your best. Laughing so hard I’m crying.
(And no, I will not go over and poke sticks in their cages – I promise)
Goodnight – Signing off
AZ Matt @
12
Reminds me of the old joke about Jaguar owners: it’s not fair to pick on the afflicted. :)
BTW, Rove drives a Jag.
Dinesh D’Souza drives a Jag.
Ted Olsen drives a Jag.
I’ll bet Josh Trevino wishes he had one.
And none of them can fix one. :)
hey late niters -
o/t
kirk murphy ! thank you again for your response – left a note downstairs
cbl @ 64
cbl in da house! where you been?
So is looking up vintage TRex posts snarkeology?
Chimp’s next “job” will be clearing brush and dodging subpoenas on the Bush family ranch in Paraguay.
Here’s a little family background…
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table
From Jesus’ General – A truly manly and gifted writer:
Is it just me, or does the guy in the Darth Vader costume look an awful lot like Rick Moranis?
(I used to love SCTV when I was young! I wish the DVD compliation of those shows were more affordable. I’d buy SCTV and “Kids in the Hall” if I had a small fortune available, after donating copious amounts to FDL.)
Fini –
work, work, and oh yeah, work – at night so as to accomodate a certain um, legal proceeding in DC, nudge, nudge, wink wink – but always a hoot to peer in on the Late Nite crowd before retiring
Gnome de Plume @
42
Golf pro
;>)
AZ Matt: I betcha Mr. Collins is having a few drinks right about now…
LandOfTheFree @ 70
It is, thats a picture of Tacitus in the middle of Rick Moranis in front from his role in Spaceballs, and behind him is Donny and Marie Osmond doing a Star Wars ripoff thing.
Problem: There’s others in my immediate family who “don’t get” why FDL’s work is so fabulous; they don’t have the time to read it day-by-day and to participate in its commenter community.
I’m sure that others here have people they love who can’t grok what we’re about and how important FDL and the Libby trial are, and are going to be.
I was planning to sit them down for a few minutes to at least watch all the stellar PoliticsTV broadcasts, and here’s how facilitating that might add some value to the blog.
Suggestion: On the left sidebar under the search window there’s what I think is a list of the Recent Posts in most-to-least-recent order. That’s super. Some of them have the daily PoliticsTV wrapups at their tops, and some don’t. Which are the multimedia posts?
What would be equally valuable (said he, with his pro-TV bias) would be another segment somewhere in a sidebar, Recent Videos, where all the PoliticsTV links might be found — possibly in the posts where they originally appeared.
Armed with this sidebar, I could easily walk my uninitiated family hrough what current TV news could be — in its (wet) dreams.
You guys-’n’-gals ROCK! Tnx for thinking about this notion. Maybe for the next blockbuster trial that FDL covers…?
cbl @ 71
Gotcha! Right on, always good to see you in these parts.
mutzali @ 66
That, imho, would be a Bingo… :)
darkblack @ 71
Golf-playing evangelist?
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 74
That’s what I thought – I was thinking Spaceballs… but I wasn’t sure if the Cabernet was making my eyes fuzzy.
Wow, that makes the story even more… um… weird.
Rayne @
201
OT – but worth it, about effing time.
HUGE: Senate Dems move to REVOKE war authorization!
EZWriter once again has WaPo’s story before it hits the public. [One of these days we are going to have to corner EZ and ask a few questions about timing…like exactly how long does it take a story written by a journalist (let’s say like Novak) to get from submission by the journalist (let’s say 11-JUL-2003) to the actual point of publication. Hmm.]
In my opinion they don’t even need to REVOKE it…since the Resolution never authorized the use of the Military in the manner that Bush is using it.
The Resolution allowed Bush to use troops to compel Saddam to comply with UN Securuty Council Resolutions.
But their current use in a Civil War and nation building goes far beyond that mandate.
All Congress really needs to do is state the resolution again, point out that Bush is exceeding that, and needs to return to Congress to obtain expanded mandate…otherwise he’s in violation of the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution.
S.O.S. in MA @
74
If you were to direct your attention to the Categories listing that runs down the right side of your browser, you can click on the link labeled CIA Leak Case and it will gather all of the Politics TV segments along with all other threads labeled in that category.
Alicia @
43
That Pajamas logo brings to mind waves of stink radiating from crusty PJs. guhh
montag @ 77
‘He badeth me to find the lie on green pastures’
;>)
ah come on, I never do it under my fdl name, and I find them particularly prickly during the Bauer/torture is tantric timeslot – let a gal have her fun
LandOfTheFree @ 78
Actually I believe the whole thing was Photoshopped together, so try not to read extra weirdness into it. The Jedi getup on his wedding day is weird enough on its own.
OT, but this is late night, right?
I got a formal offer from a new job today. I don’t want to say who it is just yet, but suffice it to say it’s a chance to work with some of the smartest, most talented people in the biz. Also, with my signing bonus, I’m taking two months off to finally finish my PhD, before I start.
So, to celebrate, I’m taking the kids out to sushi tomorrow, and put some more digits into the tip jar. I struggled to figure out the right magic numbers to put at the end to symbolize how incredibly grateful I am to FDL, but ended up with .07 because the Plame House sounds like it’s well worth supporting.
BTW (and vaguely on topic), I happen to be a domain expert on kerning, so if FDL ever needs a consult on that (or typography in any of its forms), you guys know how to find me.
TRex, this seems relevant. The gatekeeper reminds me of Trevino, Frey, and Goldstein. Let me know what you think.
From Milan Kundera’s The Book Of Laughter and Forgetting, 1979:
Raph Levien @ 85
You’re a wonderful human being and congratulations on the new job offer! If the outfit needs a good audio/video producer I am always entertaining offers of a serious nature. Enjoy the sushi, have a California Roll for me!
darkblack @ 82
I am the Lord thy greenskeeper, thou shalt not strike the caddies.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 84
You mean Tacky didn’t have Donny and Marie sing the love theme from Suspiria at his wedding while Purple, er, Dark Helmet danced a provocative tarantella?
What a fibber
;>)
darkblack @ 89
As much as I would go into debt to pay to see that, sadly, no.
cbl @ 64
my pleasure, cbl…
and thanks for the note, though i can’t seem to find it downstairs…..
(my Luddite sign must be ascendant)
Someone named Kim is knocking our Fitz on Pach’s post at the bottom.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 80
… That’s a good start and thank you for pointing out what I missed… But it’s not quite what I had in mind; as you said, that category contains many posts, some multimedia and most not. There’s also a good deal of scrolling involved. Unless I’m missing it somewhere (??), what would be cool would be a set of toplevel linx to just the PoliticsTV postings. …
(returns to browser, surfs around a bit) …
Whoops, wow am I glad I posted this late at nite! http://www.politicstv.com/blog/?cat=113 seems to do the trick! Hmm, I best head off to bed right NOW! /BLUSH :) ttfn
All I do in the evenings is read the Plame posts and watch the great summaries on the videos. It takes hours–but all the reading has been well worth the time. Thanks to all of you! Late Nite with TRex lets me laugh before going to bed dreaming of a guilty verdict for Scoots.
E.J. Dionne has a good column tomorrow in WaPo on the Hill/Obama attacks that ends with a memorable graph:
“Clinton, Obama and their brilliant staffs don’t own the Democratic Party, no matter how much money they raise in Hollywood. If they think this is all about their personal drama, they should quit politics and go into the movies. Geffen can put up the money.”
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 73
ccmask @ 92
I’ll see if I can’t scare up a mod to put that person in the spam filter.
S.O.S. in MA @ 75
Great idea of putting recent posts & videos somewhere easy-to-be seen. It can be hard to wade through the most important threads to find the great information that is on this site. FDL is a wealth of knowledge and insight. I often feel that if I miss a day or two of threads, I have to either read for hours or skip it and be clueless to the details most of the highly-active FDLers have learned.
And, I must comment as a long-time lurker, only more recent poster… this place sometimes seems, well, a bit cliquey and intimidating to newbies. Sometimes, there are very nice people who are a bit intimidated to post here, simply because there are often harsh responses to new posters. I generally lurked before and posted very rarely until recently, mostly because I was intimidated by how sharp criticism can be here.
Today’s posts were a perfect example of this: some newer posters were jumped on and ridiculed or labeled as trolls simply because they were asking questions that many of us following every detail of the trials had already discussed, or they made observations that were readily slammed. One guy was really railed on by several people because he made observations that others poo-pooed as simplistic. Heck, someone indicated I was a Scooter-lovin’ troll simply because I said we should be prepared that the jury might not convict Libby on all counts.
Again, I’m just saying that we should try to go out of our way to welcome more posters into the fold… unless they truly post boorish & clearly troll-like comments. It would be nice if the regulars were considerate to how intimidating FDL can be to those of us on a learning curve.
Ok, I’m gonna retreat while my post is ripped to shreds… g’nite.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 85
Photoshopped by someone here with a sense of humor, or photoshopped by Trevino?
I admit I didn’t click through all of Trevino’s Flickr pictures to see if that one was in the batch of wedding photos. I have better things to do, like flossing my cat… but perhaps there is a bit of egg on my face now. ;)
TRex @ 50:
Methinks I spy a sockpuppet / concern troll mimic, creating their own “Unhinged” post for future quoting, pro2rat @ 28.
Delete, maybe?
S.O.S. in MA @
74
SOS. Go to http://www.politicstv.com/ From the index bar on the left choose Libby Trial. Call your family in.
I’ll do an Invitation to De-Lurk thread soon and offer some pointers to our regulars about how to be nice to newcomers.
LandOfTheFree @ 97
One of the best ways to help is to de-lurk just like you’ve done and speak your mind, again just like you’ve done.
Now that wasn’t too bad, was it? *g*
JGabriel @ 99
We’ve gotten a couple of those lately.
The thing is, I can’t figure out what in the hell they’re trying to say half the time, so I just ignore it.
TRex @ 103
If I’m reading it correctly, they’re trying to create their own posts they can use to slime ‘teh libruls’ later.
[Mod Note; and sometimes mediocre snark is just mediocre.]
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 88
Thanks, will do! I’ve heard rumors that some of the janitorial staff has advanced computer science degrees, and I don’t believe they have strong need for A/V production ,but drop me your resume and I’ll send it along (it’s firstname.lastname@gmail.com).
One other thing I wanted to say. I have a new habit of always tipping street musicians, unless they totally suck. When I went in for my interview, it was Valentine’s Day, and there was a man and woman singing Italian opera in the Caltrain station. They had a boombox playing the accompaniment, but their voices were big (as were their persons) and filled the station. I’m not very sentimental, and don’t do much to celebrate holidays, but putting some paper in their tip hat felt good, and very likely helped a couple of artists to follow their passion instead of having to conform to some corporate job. The America we’re becoming feels like it’s getting meaner and closer to the edge, so I’m happy to do small things to interfere with that.
FDL’ers are probably naturally some of the most generous people in the world, but for the one or two of you that aren’t in the habit, try it. Ask for a request if there’s something you’d like to hear them perform. I’ve yet to come across a performer who was at all annoyed to get a request, when accompanied by a smile and a tip.
I also helped cook dinner at a homeless shelter on Sunday. This is a monthly thing done by a religious affinity group. I’m not a member of the group, but they’re often shorthanded and can really use the help. My older son and I sat at dinner with two black men, one of whom was from Zimbabwe, had majored in chemistry, and worked on chip process for HP for ten years. I was curious how he went from that to a homeless shelter, but I didn’t ask. Unfortunately, in this mean goddamn country that we live in, it’s all too easy, even if you’re intelligent and have a marketable skill.
The previous month, after dinner, I was cleaning the mess my sons helped make, and used a sponge on the table, which is not the way it’s done. The director of the program yelled at me, obviously mistaking me for a “client,” until I pointed out that I was one of the people who cooked the dinner. It was a humbling moment, let me tell you.
Do I have a point? No, only this:
Mm.
Best not to make eye contact. I might pull it later.
Gosh, RL, what a good life you seem to be leading.
Bully for you.
TRex, Mad Dogs – you guys are always nice. The vast majority of people here are quite nice. And it seems like the late-night crew is always in good spirits & rather friendly. I suppose, with the stress of the trial ongoing, some of us have been a bit short-tempered. And, I’m sure there have been plenty of trolls that the mods have had to jump on quickly.
Engaging new people in conversation and acknowledging their presence is helpful. I posted a handful of posts for probably nearly a year (I really don’t know when I started reading here… well over a year ago) during “invitations to delurk”. Those invitations are terrific. It’s good for the regulars to go out of their way to be inviting, in both “invitations to delurk” and regular daily threads.
Now, I really must go to bed… although I’m afraid I’ll have nightmares of Ann Coulter, Trevino and the cast of Spaceballs. Oh my.
LandOfTheFree @ 97
Very well said (& I’m glad to read you!), LandOfTheFree. I don’t think I’ve seen the snippishness you recount, but I’m certainly not saying it doesn’t occur here or in other blogs where there’s lots of “regulars.” I certainly hope I haven’t contributed myself to any unwelcoming atmosphere. If so, sorry.
To you and other n00bs (’netslang for “newbies”) of good heart, c’mon in, the water’s fine.
Remember that save for the FDL crew themselves (them who writes the “base-notes”), we were all n00bs here oncet. My late dad taught me that “A fool is someone who doesn’t know what YOU just learned five minutes ago.” Words to keep in mind. Updated to the blogosphere they would read “A n00b is someone who doesn’t know …” :)
Hope you get to read this in the AM, LandOfTheFree, and thanks for the wise guidance.
It always seems when there are traffic spikes around here the wingnuts’ urge to get out of line and fling poo in this direction takes hold until Jane or TRex or Pach does a smackdown worthy of Samuel L Jackson’s admiration.
Attack!
ATTACK!
ATTAAAAAAAAACK!!!!
HotFlash @ 100
:) tnx HotFlash, but you’ve prolly seen that we had a “posting collision;” I’d previously knocked meself upside the haid at #93. OhWell, now I know I gots to sleep…
You people really have no shame, do you.
1) I did not find, nor was I the first to publish Thersites real name. And I most certainly never posted his home contact information. You can readily see the thread here. Truth is, I REDACTED much of the information left in my comments thread (some of which wasn’t even Thersites’), and only allowed to stay, ultimately, the information a commenter pulled from NTodd’s site and the school’s bio page — all of which was publicly available.
2) I openly invited Thersites to send me the IP address of the person who made comments about his daughter. I told him both publicly and in a private email that I would match the IP up to any that had been used on my site, and — were I to find a match — I’d post that person’s name. Having been subjected to an attack on my kid by some sick twist made me particularly eager to help out in that regard.
But Thersites never sent me the IP. And there is absolutely no proof whatever that one of my readers left that comment. None.
Thersites knows this. And still he’s done nothing to stop the spread of the falsehood that I was in some way involved. Which is unsurprising, given that he’s precisely the kind of coward who hides behind pseudonyms when he’s leveling attacks at people.
What you’ve done here is repeat lies that I’ve taken great pains to disprove over and over again.
I’ve posted a link to the thread in question, which in turn contains a link to an earlier thread. The less brainwashed of you here are free to see for yourselves what exactly happened.
But here’s the thing: I am tired of people posting libelous comments about me from behind shields of anonymity. And I’m not going to put up with it any more.
Don’t like it? Stop posting these kinds of lies, and I’ll have no reason to make sure you — and not some persona — are held accountable for them.
This is my reward for burying the hatchet with Jane Hamsher in her hour of need? The pity.
Some questions for Ferguson, for heuristic purposes:
1) Why the link to an archive.org grab of my Flickr account, with my wife’s photos up-front, instead of my actual extant Flickr account, with lovely flowers up-front? Classy, David.
2) Where specifically have I claimed that Ozark Josh (AKA “Retardo,” AKA “HTML Mencken) “endangered” my family?
3) Would you care to educate your readers on the specific circumstance under which creepy stalker Ozark Josh came into possession of my (private, non-public-accessible) wedding photos?
4) Why not ask the Claremont Institute what they think of their employees behaving in this fashion?
As for Ozark Josh, his hysteria that he “could very well be placed in immediate danger by having his political affiliation known” is just that. If he receives any actual threats — which he will not, but let’s play along — he should report them to the relevant authorities, along with any persons he suspects of soliciting them. But really, David: how utterly ridiculous to credit this whining cowardice as remotely credible. I’m no fan of FDL, but there’s no denying it has within it some sharp minds. The credulous braying you do at the behest of the likes of Ozark Josh marks you as a sad exception to this rule.
LandOTF: I was just thinking about that the other night. Trex, the last time you did that delurk post it sure was a lot of fun. Also, did you get your blue pen yet?
TRex @ 108
Thanks, TRex. Right now is pretty exciting, for sure, but it’s not all roses. One of my sons has an “emotional disturbance” classification at his school, and talks suicide when he’s feeling down. It’s hard, but his mom and I do everything we possibly can to help him.
A few years ago, when my father was dying, my marriage was falling apart, and my therapist was betraying my trust and scamming money out of me (long story), I called a suicide hotline and dumped my story on them. We joke now about writing a screenplay of that whole story, and having it turned down because it’s just too improbably. Evidently, the gal at the hotline felt the same, because she decided I was putting her on. Luckily, I have a pretty solid instinct for self-preservation, even when things get tough, so now I can look back and laugh. At the time, though, it didn’t seem too funny.
It’s the highs and the lows, I guess, that make a good life. {{{Hugs}}} to all FDL’ers, especially those reading and are going through a hard time right now. Like so many others, I came for the Plame scoop, and stayed for the community.
TRex @ 106
It’s kind of interesting in a way. Lame, yeah, but interesting.
Notice how the person uses an e-mail address for his handle, in order to solicit attack responses.
Then there’s the reference to a racial slur on Malkin. Now, no one in the thread has actually commented on Malkin or any resemblance of Scooter’s wife to her. First I’d heard of any, to be honest.
That’s to create the impression that a ‘librul’ in the thread actually posted such a slur. Clearly a straw-man setup.
Then we get the “We are better than that and so there is no need to descend into the sewer with these filthy, wretched, depraved criminals.”
I can’t quite make heads or tails of that weirdness. I suspect it might be a parody of how a wingnut thinks we speak or write. But it definitely carries the wingnut method of attack, an ad hominem charcterization of the target as dirty, poor, sexually active, and criminal.
(FYI, for those just jumping in, we’re discussing a post @ 28 in this thread.)
Would answering JT’s questions accurately count as “feeding the trolls?”
Oh, look. There’s Goldstein & Trevino at 112 & 113.
Guess I was right about the sockpuppet.
Oh, here they are.
There goes the neighborhood.
A new twist to the DC revolving door: The Langley revolving door! Genuine ex-CIA spooks for hire to corporations. Dr Hillhouse has the details at The Spy Who Billed Me. Why would corporations need spies? Maybe the reason that BushCo doesn’t seem all that worried about who’s going to be the next president is that they won’t need to run the US govt any more. Having drowned it in a bathtub and Iraq, they can just govern from the private sector.
Time to exchange my tin-foil hat for my tin-foil jamies and get some sleep. Maybe verdict tomorrow. I think I have Monday in the pool.
HotFlash @ 119
I was reading about that yesterday at the new Danger Room blog at Wired. Blackwater now has a CIA knockoff to pair with its private Pentagon. Lord help us all, they’ve privatized the shadow government.
HotFlash @ 119
Yeah, James Bamford had an article on this a couple of years ago.
Now, consider that a very limited number of corporations have some interest in and/or control over every aspect of the nuclear weapons production process in this country, from design to manufacture to testing, and then tell me how you feel….
Oh, the lightsaber. Since it’s of interest: Yep, we had fun at our wedding. The husband of the maid of honor, in his words, “built a working lightsaber replica out of an original Graflex 3-cell flashgun handle and single-electrode neon tube.” (That fellow goes by “Gromit” on the lefty boards like Obsidian Wings; ask hilzoy over there about him. Free clue: he’s on FDL’s side.) Good stuff. He brought it to the post-wedding party, ’cause he knows we’ve all got our freak flags to fly.
Meanwhile, David Ferguson sniffs that it’s so very improper. Ha.
TRex @ 119
Well land sakes! Well, TRex, when you and the pups is through funnin’ there’s a cherry pie in the pie-safe, milk in the fridge and if anyone prefers tea or coffee everything’s in the cupboard over the microwave.
Oh, if you need a mop and bucket they’re in the broom closet beside the stove. ‘Night, see you tomorrow.
J, I looked at that info and it is someone who comments here, but changed their handle when the servers changed. I’m still not sure I understand the comment necessarily, but it’s not a sock puppet.
HotFlash @ 123
Might not be enough… every home needs a biohazard suit and disposal facilities these days….
Hate to say it, but those three are trolls who deserve to be given the best treatment: ignore them, ignore them, ignore them.
As we see, Tacky has this nasty little tic of dropping people’s given names as if it gives him some kind of shamanic power over them. That’s because he’s a sad shit.
We also know that at least two of the three (including Trevinus Maximus Pomparsus) are genuinely mentally ill, and in a country with better healthcare, would be receiving proper treatment rather than working out their symptoms over the internets.
So, just damn ignore them. I promise you that pretending that they don’t exist makes your view of the world that bit brighter.
*crickets*
(But to darken it again… Godlstein? Repeating a lie five million times doesn’t make it true, you piss-poor little man.)
What’s latin for “won’t shut the fuck up?”
Classic.
….dropping people’s given names as if it gives him some kind of shamanic power over them.
Shamanic power? No! It puts them in REAL AND IMMINENT DANGER. Didn’t you read the post? Didn’t Ozark Josh share his fears? Cripes, people. LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
Ferguson, not to tax your mental powers overmuch, but I believe you have some questions to answer. Take all necessary time, of course.
TRex @ 128
Was that the timer on the cake in the oven? Nope, still has 10 minutes to go.
urban pirate @ 129
I answered that earlier but it got EPU’d.
Mos non termino oris.
Suzanne @ 131
I love cake.
TRex @ 125
Damn, it sure looked like one. Guess I’m getting a little too paranoid.
Anyway, thanks for checking.
urban pirate @
130
My declensions aren’t so good, but I think ‘Verbositus Egotisticus’ is just waiting for a right-wing blogger to take it.
ccmask @ 114
You’ll be the first to know.
Yellow cake seemed appropriate this week.
Those two really are fruit loops.
Pray for them.
Josh Trevino @
131
I’ve got nothing to say to you, Trevino. You’ve got the talent of a ball of dryer lint and the ethics of a two-dollar crack whore.
My name has been published here on several different occasions, so if you think you’re threatening me somehow, you’re flattering yourself.
But that may be your single talent in life.
Why waste it?
Suzanne @ 137
You know what goes really well with yellow cake? Mmmm… peach mint ice cream.
Well, so long as Ferguson is looking up “heuristic”….
guilty verdicts for Libby might clog a few pie-holes, momentarily, non?
Raph Levien @ 141
Should that be Ben & Jerry’s new flavor?
punaise @ 141
Doubtful. These miscreants like to hear the yammering of their own traps.
Ah, Ferguson, with wits collected:
I’ve got nothing to say to you, Trevino.
Except, of course, an entire long post composed by CTRL-C, CTRL-V from Ozark Josh’s e-mailed cri de coeur, eh? For your own sake: do your own research next time. You look like an idiot on several levels here, beginning with the factual.
My name has been published here on several different occasions….
Like on the FDL About Us page, yes. Thanks for affirming that, David.
Like I said, the questions are heuristic. Because I care.
Alicia and Ralph L, that would be a great summer flavor. Nothing better than homemade peach ice cream.
TRex @ 139
Now, now. Is that really fair to two-dollar crack whores? I mean, if you had ever contracted the service of one, you’d know they’re quite a bit better than that.
Oh wait, that admission could be a little embarassing if anyone ever cracked through my layers of cloaking and found out my true identity. Uh, never mind.
I’ll pretend you didn’t say it out loud.
TRex @ 146
Me too.
Scared little men currying favor with modern-day fascists, hoping for a little more on their choco ration by turning in the opposition.
The minor figures of the right in this country have shown themselves to be what we’ve always suspected them to be: quislings who do whatever’s necessary to advance their own interests.
Never do they stand up for what makes the country what it is–the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Never will they harm a government of authoritarians which gives them succor.
Their security has always been more important than that of the country’s.
It’s all about that choco ration.
TRex @ 148
Whew! That’s a relief. Now I feel at ease to reveal my new job. As it turns out (and I’m still trying to find out the story behind this), the Edwards campaign rather suddenly has openings for two blogger-staffers. I figured I’d be perfect for one of them, so I applied. They must have agreed, since they offered me the job. Wish me luck!
I think that I can safely predict that you will be Greeted With Flowers and Candy, As a Liberator.
ooooh, better be careful, TRex, or the Washington Post might publish your real name! (or was it the NY Times?)
Suzanne @ 146
…even better with mint! MMMM…peach mint, that is!
punaise @ 151
Or the Hartford Courant or the BBC…
TRex @ 149
What bothers me the most is when they start sputt…sputt…sputtering like that, they get drool and Cheetos all over everything.
Well, kids, that wore me out. I’m going to fix myself something to eat and head for bed.
Don’t feed the trolls. I’m sure that once Pasty finds his way back from the medicine cabinet, he’ll be writing a post about all this, ditto our young Jedi who is doubtlessly hitting ‘Refresh’ as we speak waiting to see if I’ll take the bait.
So, good night!
G’nite TRex. Sleep well.
TRex @ 152
Actually, that was my last job. The Libby defense team put on some focus groups to see how he’d come across to a jury, so they needed someone to evaluate his performance. Basically, they needed a Libby-rater.
Unfortunately, he must not have scored too well, because they didn’t end up putting him on the stand. It’s too bad, coz there were some truly amazing moments in the focus group, lemme tell you. It was sheer madness!
G’night TRex. We love you.
punaise @ 154
It was Teh Wall Skreet Juh-nuh, BABY!!
(And yes, I can find that link with my eyes closed in under 24 seconds.)
Right, outta here. Off to bed.
Night, TRex!
Night, TRex. Thanks for staying up for us left-coasters.
What’s the Claremont Institute? From the web site, it appears to be something of an appendage of the Heritage Foundation.
Oh speaking of pens, do you real pen aficionados like home/hand-made pens or only Name Brand ones? Wondering, we have all these bits of wood left over that I hate to throw away.
Here are some wood pens that Dave Hylands made. Most of the inner workings (boughten) are ball point or pencil, but some are ink. Several types of fountain pen (actually cartridge, I think)’guts’ are available. I don’t know fountain pens, would any of these acceptable to real fp fans? If so which would you recommend?
Also, anyone have any experience with glass dip pens? They look really cool and I love glass.
I really have to go to bed now, but I’ll check back tomorrow morning for replies.
TRex @
162
this explains my futility in combing the archives of those other august institutions.
Circumstances as to how I aquired them? Well, unlike Tacky, who has tried for months to dig up personal info on me, I acquired his precious photo from someone linking to it in comments at sadlyno. How did *they* acquire it? By going to Trevino’s blog, looking on the front page, and clicking a link, that’s how.
See for yourself.
So Mr. Tacitus/Trevino is which person in the photo ?
Oh, forgive me, he must be the one in front with the too large black helmet…
Snark, Snark, Snark
is good for the mind
See, I have the Rx right here, signed by a doctor and everything…
“Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.” – Bruce Schneier
wigwam @ 164
It’s a Three Stooges version of the Hoover Institution at Stanford. It takes fifth-rate right-wingers and gives them fourth-rate credentials so that they can produce twelfth-rate papers supporting the fascists in this country.
so is this
unhealthyunholy trinity some kind of front intended to make Doughy Pantload seem, by comparison (dare I say it?) – reasonable?.
nahhh. didn’t think so either.
Too bad! Those folks must’ve come over to join us in singing Kumbaya, but we be writers and don’t have to yodel for our supper like them.
But to not totally leave them bummed out, here’s a reprise of a little ditty we heard over in their neck of the woods:
punaise @ 170
Doughy Pantload would be in a class by himself, but he ain’t got no class.
But, yeah, it’s a front, alright. It’s a front that’s not at the front….
Also, Trevino outed Billmon. This was before his Online Integrity project. Trevino has always been a hypocrite.
amazing how the “foundations” round up these young jedi by playing into their egos and insecurities.
Renfield to Scaife’s Vlad
Did Tacky inhale too much yellowcake dust?
Or did he swallow a lightsword with the wrong orifice? Damn, he needs some of Jeff G’s meds!
How did *they* acquire it? By going to Trevino’s blog, looking on the front page, and clicking a link, that’s how.
Ozark Josh, lying again. The wedding photos were never, ever, ever on the front page of my personal site. As explained here, it took some work to find ‘em.
On another note: THANK GOD YOU’RE ALIVE. David Ferguson CTRL-C CTRL-V that you’re in Real Danger!
I missed the part of your post where you explain why it’s OK for Retardo to scour the internets for personal information/images of Trevino and publish them, but it’s NOT OK for Trevino to scour the internets for personal information about Retardo to publish.
It’s because I Espouse Genocide, and Ozark Josh is a Generic Social Democrat.
What? No, he means it.
Tacky’s just upset because he was rejected by “Who wants to be a Superhero”. They sent him to “Who wants to be a reject” where he still got the boot.
google Claremont Institute and Pepperdine University and you get a gazillion lnks. Ken Starr is dean of Pepperdine Law School.
montag @ 172
The word that leaps to mind when discussing these folks is just that–affront.
Was Tacky home-schooled too?
google Claremont Institute and Pepperdine University and you get a gazillion lnks. Ken Starr is dean of Pepperdine Law School.
CONNECT THE DOTS, PEOPLE.
urban pirate @ 182
The “home” part, yes. The “schooled” part, not so you’d notice.
Because I scoured nothing. Trevino linked to those picks directly. Anyone who visited his blog had them at a click away. That is not ’scouring’.
‘Scouring’ is googling shit like ‘Retardo Montalban’ & ‘Real Name’ over and over for months until somehow you come across my myspace, which had no link to any other net activity of mine, neither in the generic sense nor in the hyperlink internet sense. On my myspace I’ve never mentioned ’sadlyno’, ‘elementropy’, ‘HTML Mencken’ or ‘Retardo Montalban’. Lord know how they found it, but they did. Now Tacky wants to call it equivalent to his proudly displayed Flickr album. And now he wants to try to divulge any and all private info about me he can to get even for my making fun of him for his advocacy of genocide.
Well, obviously tacky is “forced” to divulge your information now that he has it? I mean, you can’t expect him to restrain himself from going apeshit over some public humiliation…although he did put on that dress and swing a plastic sword at his wedding. hmmm
…which is par for the course. IIRC he outed Billmon for the signal crime of insisting that Rachel Corrie being run over was an awful thing.
He was abusing Hilzoy’s privacy just for the fuck of it in that thread I linked to above.
Etc.
Hey, now. Y’all are being way too mean to that Tacitus guy. Anyone who can get Donny, Marie AND Rick Moranis to their wedding can’t be ALL bad.
Ah, the children’s crusade….
Turning in their parents, their friends, their teachers, their schoolyard enemies for yet more chocolate.
So easily bought, so easily turned, for a bit of sweets. No man among them. Only children, begging for what only the men in uniform can give them.
Only reflected glory, they think, can make them whole and deserving, of more chocolate than the rest. Doing the bastard’s bidding gets them more.
*waving to jacqrat*
hardly off-topic – don’t miss Wolcott’s withering number on “the concentrated lump of bilious contempt that goes by the name of Brit Hume”:
punaise @ 192
One of the Hume-ors is bile….
The best part of all this is Ozark Josh claiming that his MySpace page is protected by magical rainbows. Lordy.
Because I scoured nothing. Trevino linked to those picks directly.
The Books-A-Million intellectual. “Pics,” chief. And: the same lie again about a never-existed direct link to the photos. Refuted three times already today. I can see why you continue to insist upon it, of course: makes you look almost like an honest man.
‘Scouring’ is googling shit like ‘Retardo Montalban’ & ‘Real Name’ over and over for months….
Another lie. As you read your referral logs with such care — I challenge you to post ‘em, by the way — you know that I did that once, ever, on a single afternoon. Never hid it. Never denied it. Seems rational to want to know who the stalker freak is who’s been writing about how much he hates you for going on four years.
….until somehow you come across my myspace….
Dear God, you truly are just not that bright.
And now he wants to try to divulge any and all private info about me he can to get even for my making fun of him for his advocacy of genocide.
Oh, the victimhood. I don’t care that you think me an advocate of genocide. It’s a stupid reading of anything I’ve ever written or done, but whatever: you’re a stupid man, and this is as it must be. Honestly, Ozark Josh: I just want you out of my family affairs, in which wedding photos do count. That’s it. End of line.
Once you figure that out, you won’t have to make an ass of your friends, like the endearingly credulous David Ferguson, by telling them you’re in MORTAL DANGER IN RED ARKANSAS because your exceedingly common first name is on the interweb. Think it over. For their sake, if not yours.
montag @ 191
Yellow or black?
Alicia @ 195
Black bile, certainly.
It’s not fair to say that Tacky advocated genocide, but he definitely has cheered mass murder. You see, it’s not genocide because “the rest of the world” is not one race.
LOL.. Tacky thinks that Retardo hates him!
Funny, I don’t think pity and ridicule are usually confused with hatred. Must be that English—bad Latin–English translation problem again.
The little children, said Bush, come unto me. Come and get your little bars of chocolate, and you may lie, like me, to get it. You will call your enemies mine, and get a scrap of chocolate for your efforts, but, most of all, you must love me first. You must love me and lie for me. You must give me your love. You must hate those I hate. You must deny any other in favor of me. You must put me before all others.
You must give me what I want before you get your chocolate. You must give up yourself to me for your chocolate.
TRex @
101
ha ha.
TRex.
nice.
montag, i think tonight is a good night to be thankful for my chocolate allergy
HTML Mencken @ 187
HTMLM,
Trevino disagreed with Billmon when Corrie came up at Whiskey Bar? If so, when? I chronicle Rachel Corrie’s progress.
Bush says, I will give you a bright sash, with buttons and badges, and a brown shirt, and black boots you must polish, or else you will get no more chocolate.
You must do what Bush wants to get what you want. You must give all of yourself to the Homeland. You must scream the name of the traitor and gather the faithful to attack them. Citizens, go to your doorways and look for the traitor. Go to your doorways and denounce him. Your group leader has given you his name and his address. Find him and denounce him. Go and kill him if there is no other way to silence him.
Without his silence, you will not get your choco ration.
*waves back at Suzanne*
I’m taking too long to read all the wonderful comments tonight. DId I miss Punaise?
Mad Dogs @ 172
teeheehee….
Not quite, Teller. he did indeed become angry with me shortly after Corrie’s death, when I noted publicly that she was a foolish girl who died for a bad cause. He had some idea that she was only to be spoken well of.
That said, my use of his actual name, as opposed to his GI Joe code name — which is, apparently, a sanctified moral right of all humans — was unconnected with this event.
[Mod Note; edited to remove personal references. You can do it at your own site, but don’t use our comments section for it. OK?]
montag @ 204
I’ve had enough of chocolate references to PMS tonight, thanks.
Josh Trevino @ 205
Thanks. What did you say about Corrie at that time? The Billmon archive is currently unavailable. How’s yours for assisting in Rachel’s chronicle?
Jacqrat @ 207
You aren’t paying attention, and I’m sure as shit not talking about PMS.
Josh—do that again and the moderators will be instructed to delete any additional comments from you this evening. You can do whatever you want at your place but keep that shit out of ours.
montag >
They get chocolate ???
Wow and all I thought they got was a life time supply of knee pads cause they wore them out so fast
Chocolate huh…
I didn`t think they had any taste at all
“We are all individual molecules of a great social gas.” – Huxley
montag @ 209
ok I missed your 151, but I’ve had enough. good night
RBG @ 209
7007
Josh Trevino @
205
She died for a bad cause?
SHE DIED FOR A BAD CAUSE?
What kind of human and American are you? She died because . . .
Oh, forget it. You wouldn’t understand.
Peace, you sad person.
Ed*ard Teller @
212
The mods helped me edit that one. You should have seen the first version.
Speaking of RC, am I going to see you in a few weeks?
(((((steveaudio)))))))
RBG @ 214
I wish! ETette might go to the national college Division 2 crew championship in Oak Ridge, Tennessee in mid-May and we need to save for that.
ET—you will be missed but we will be thinking of you, and all your great work.
montag @
208
‘Attention! Your attention, please! The Choco ration has been raised! Glorious victory is near!’
Jacqrat @ 215
Hey! thnx!
Josh—do that again and the moderators will be instructed to delete any additional comments from you this evening.
Seriously, why is this vile motherfucker allowed to post here ever?
Again – seriously. And let’s not have any bullshit about “free speech.” This motherfucker and his brownshirt compadres don’t get that privilege.
A little fucking asskicking is desirable, and called for. Sweep them away. NOW.
darkblack @ 219
Yeah. That’s it. O’Really on the telescreen.
dave @ 220
Free speech isn’t bullshit.
dave @ 220
Respectfully, we have to be better than they are. Hold the hypocrisy and hate up to the light and let it be seen….
Disagree, be respectful while you argue, and always remember, they are afraid, and immature, and thus, need to be educated.
Only then, are you allowed to beat the shit out of them.
I’m just saying…
montag @ 221
And thus we know how it ends.
Boot. Face. Forever.
Motivation to resist, I’ll say.
darkblack @ 224
Indeed.
darkblack @ 225
Exactly, sir.
Well, since this is the active thread, Aloha from Hawaii!
Speaking of wingnut attacks, now that Fitzgerald is openly talking about clouds over the VP, and given Cheney’s history of dealing with people who show him up (Exhibit #1: the Wilsons), we can already anticipate that the Cheney machine will be ginning up attacks on Fitz himself, or anyone connected with him. If he ever swatted a fly, you can expect Headlines over at Faux News about how vicious and cruel Fitz is, or they will find some long lost brother who has led some less than exemplary life as proof of something or other. I’ll bet that Fitz has steeled himself in expectation of such attacks.
Or, heaven forbid, they will out Fitz’s personal information in order to expose him to the flying monkeys.
Stock up on Maalox.
Bob in HI
outta here, but – TRex!!
Dave Neiwert frames Malkin so well. Neiwert’s deep knowledge of turning good people into “others” gets increasingly important. Good post.
Ed*ard Teller @ 229
Eurasia, East Asia, etc., etc., etc.
Dave gets the history.
Respectfully, we have to be better than they are.
This is what I mean by “free speech bullshit.”
dave @ 230
It is not bullshit. It is a right guaranteed by the constitution to all – not just those who agree with us.
dave @ 230
Explain, please.
that’s it for me tonight. g’nite all
Suzanne @ 233
night, later, amiga
Goodnight, S.
I certainly don’t wish to put anyone on the spot, but I’m somewhat of an absolutist regarding the freedom of speech.
darkblack @ 236
Yeah, even a rag-tag asshole who would sell out the Constitution and the First Amendment for a little glory, and a bit of chocolate, has his rights to free speech. Does that mean, however, that he should be afforded all civility when he advocates that? That might be the main question.
My view is that such people deserve more than a little scorn, and that such is well within the bounds of free speech concerns.
A guy stands up and says, in so many words, “I’m a lying asshole, and I expect you lesser beings to believe my lies for the sake of the glorious leader I adore, or else I’ll make you pay for not doing so,” so I’m supposed to say, “uh, well, yeah, he’s got a point.” ???
No, I say he’s a lying asshole who will use subterfuge and veiled personal threats to suppress the speech of others.
That’s what the Trevinos of this country are doing–using threats–under cover of free speech–to suppress speech they don’t like, all the while braying about their own rights to speech.
They’d better get used to getting just as good they as they give.
Civility? Moi?
;>)
darkblack @ 237
Ah, no, mon ami, you’re excused. Your reputation precedes you. :)
Gnome de Plume @ 1
This stupid posting of FIRST or FITZ or whatever on each post degrades the site and makes it look like comments are meaningless, not read, and controlled by a small band who talk to each other instead of discussing the posts. Your moment of coolness, I guess, makes the site look childish and frivolous.
So: a world where Secret Internet Code Names are sacrosanct, but winning your country’s wars isn’t.
You’re welcome to it, kids.
Shooliganza @ 239
Ohmigod, you’re so right!
It’s so serious. All the anal retentives’ assholes are bleeding from the effort to resist this vacuous jocularity which is wholly without purpose and may waste precious seconds of reading time.
Er sumthin’.
erm
guess you’re new here
generally best practice to refrain from calling others ’stupid’ the first second you enter a room
if you take a while to look around you may find it more to your liking
if you don’t have the time, neither do we
in any event, late nite fdl is a different beast, somewhat more chaotic, after all, it’s the middle of the night
I was on to Tacitus from the very very start, when Kos was still listing him on his blogroll. The man is and has always been a scoundrel and a hypcrite.
Good morning, pups. Thank heavens it’s Friday! Today the NYT has Friedman and Krugman, Friedman on what passes for foreign policy under W, and Krugman on how climate change can be addressed.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Tea and coffee for those who want some, and I was in the mood for raisin bread. The toaster is over there, and try it with cream cheese. Yum!
I noted publicly that she was a foolish girl who died for a bad cause.
No. The comments were way over the line from “noting” to gloating over the physical details of a violent death.
Mornin’, gang -
Interesting article over at the WaPo on the whitewashing taking place at Walter Reed – http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01878.html
Other quotes regarding the initial “outings” of the problems:
“It’s not the accuracy I question, it’s the characterization.”
“I want to reset the thinking………”
The stupidity AND duplicity of these bloody twits is not to be believed!
Oh, and Brian taking responses from viewers over at C-Span on cheney beginning at 7:30. (I passed on listening to comments re. the Clintons in the first half hour *g*)
Mornin’ all!
Call in to CSPAN now to give your opinion of Dick Cheney…
The best impression of Cheney is that he has suffered irreversible brain damage from all of his ‘heart’ episodes. Maybe they took out his heart and he has a new fangled pump.
But on second thought, if I called I would be unable to say quite how bad I believe the man is. Bush is a boorish, selfish, egocentric, mentally unstable fool. Cheney is evil incarnate. And Gonzales is his handmaiden.
New thread up top
Shooliganza @ 239
Good Gravy! A little levity and a shout out are POSITIVE things. Lighten up.
Here’s the phone numbers for CSPAN:
Dems – 202-737-0002
Independents – 202-628-0205
Roger Bigod @
245
What, you mean habitually calling her “Saint Pancake” isn’t a sign of respect? (And that’s one of the nicer things that they call her in Wingnuttia.)
So good, it had to be repeated:
Blue Dido @
26
But War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! Josh Trevino is Tacitus!
TRex @
37
According to this site, it’s “mos non subsisto sermo” (actually, that’s Latin for will not stop talking”, as “won’t shut the fuck up” is difficult to translate in all its literal glory).
Help me Josh Wan Trevino, you’re my only hope!
This seems to be the live thread, but I want to comment on “Cheney’s Honor”.
Among the things he did was betray the honorable, honest, thinking, if misled soldiers who went to war in Iraq, including Tim Collins, the British commander, whose speech prior to the war went as follows (My italics)
“The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his Nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of Hell for Saddam. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity. But those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others, I expect you to rock their world.
We go to liberate, not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people, and the only flag that will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Don’t treat them as refugees, for they are in their own country.
“I know men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts. They live with the mark of Cain upon them. If someone surrenders to you, then remember they have that right in international law, and ensure that one day they go home to their family. The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please. If there are casualties of war, then remember, when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day. Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly, and mark their graves.
You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest, for your deeds will follow you down history. Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood, and the birth of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality, even though they have nothing …
“There may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow. Let’s leave Iraq a better place for us having been there. Our business now, is north.”
If only, if only, his supposed friends and allies had been listening things might not be as bad as they are.
Josh Trevino @ 240
Wow, for someone who “has nothing to say”, you sure created a lot of posts tonight. And I don’t know ya, but you made sure to insult or try to annoy at least one person (if not everyone here) in each one of your posts. Kudos!
Gotta run… I have a “Let’s Lose The War!” rally to get to. Those rallies are so much fun! I’m all ready to go – I’m wearing my “USA = Surrender Monkeys!” T-shirt, and I just shat on my upside-down American flag to wave, so I can wave it gloriously while chanting “America Sucks Butt!”
(p.s. just because I’m very afraid you might take this seriously, this post is a joke.)
Phoenix Woman @
255
Ack! That is some very bad and incorrect Latin. At # 61, I offered “garrulus,” “dicax,” and “loquax” above (diminutives: dicaculus and loquaculus). I know this thread is basically concluded, but just can’t leave something like that “mos” dangling from there. The rest would be almost okay, but “mos” cannot just be added to a phrase. Must find out more about that Latin translation site….There may very well be some nearly perfect Latin phrase for “won’t shut the fuck up,” but it’ll take me a few days to find it. (The Romans had a lot more interesting things to say than people think.)
Phoenix Woman: thanks for the compliment @ 254. There’s even more in that little speech of Calgacus, but I had to limit myself.
For the record,
It would have been nice to know more about how the Billmon-Trevino flap about Rachel Corrie started. It’s strange how, even when you ask nicely, some people can’t engage in conversation without having to (unconsciously, helplessly, uncontrollably?) illustrate the subject of TRex’s essay…
Josh Trevino @
240
No false dichotomies before breakfast, please
Jeff G says:
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Josh Trevino says:
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Why do I have this image of these two arriving on a tandem bicycle, complete with little bell and white plastic basket?
Goldstein’s version of events is wrong.
Sigh.
Not that this isn’t well known, but Jeff G is full of shit.
See here, here, here, and here.
For extra giggles, observe Tac catching out Jeff in a direct lie here, but getting petulant at me because that’s the kind of a fellow Tac is.
In a new wrinkle, Jeff now deliberately confuses the timeline. His decision to solicit information on me (and my WIFE, who had nothing significant to do with the argument we were having over literary theory, of all fucking things), PRECEDED all that Frisch business by at least month — so this comment is pure fabrication and victim-playing: “Having been subjected to an attack on my kid by some sick twist made me particularly eager to help out in that regard.”
The notion that my personal info or my wife’s was “publicly available” on NTodd’s blog is a lie. Go check.
A coward? Jeff solicited information about me AND my WIFE because the way to get my information was through her blog. This is not “brave.”
Sigh.
Not that this isn’t well known, but Jeff G is full of shit.
See here, here, here, and here.
For extra giggles, observe Tac catching out Jeff in a direct lie here, but getting petulant at me because that’s the kind of a fellow Tac is.
In a new wrinkle, Jeff now deliberately confuses the timeline. His decision to solicit information on me (and my WIFE, who had nothing significant to do with the argument we were having over literary theory, of all fucking things), PRECEDED all that Frisch business by at least month — so this comment is pure fabrication and victim-playing: “Having been subjected to an attack on my kid by some sick twist made me particularly eager to help out in that regard.”
The notion that my personal info or my wife’s was “publicly available” on NTodd’s blog is a lie. Go check.
A coward? Jeff solicited information about me AND my WIFE because the way to get my information was through her blog. Brave fellow.