Plame!

Jane! Fitz!

Since there is both an MIT Ph.d and a mathematician on the jury, it’s also seems likely that the jury is taking a reasoned approach to determining a verdict. That does not bode well for Ted Wells’ highly emotional, “give me back my baby Scooter” entreaties.

Did I read right that PhD jurors were the *defense’s* idea? How does that jibe with an arm-waving, smoke-blowing, confuse-the-jury defense?

Wow… I actually read the post before realizing there weren’t any comments yet. Uncanny… Such a great job ya’ll have done with this thing. I sure hope the MSM learn a thing or two from your efforts here…

Thank YOU Jane, Christy, Emptywheel, and everyone else. You did us all so proud. The impact has been amazing.

Hope you are doing well, Jane.

MayDaze @ 6

Hope you are doing well, Jane.

Amen to that.

Here’s to your health, Jane!!

I am a total Jones-er. FDL is my rig.

Hi Jane! Stay warm and well.

Kudos to you all, this place often seems like an oasis of sanity in an ocean of shite. The analyses of the closing arguments have been amazing and make for great late night reading. Too bad I can’t afford the top shelf Cognac and I hate cigars…

Yesterdays Video had an interesting peice of Art in the background. Was that shot in Plame House or a Museum?

I guess I will say ‘job well done’. Of course no one needs me to say that. A brief moment of humility? ;0)

Present at the creation of a new media paradigm, etc.

Thanks for taking me on this ride, Jane, it’s just swell.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

I guess I will say ‘job well done’. Of course no one needs me to say that. A brief moment of humility? ;0)

Heck, humble doesn’t become you! JANE!! Say LOUD, say it PROUD!

So… what do we turn our collective attention to now? I know what I’m going to do.

It’s a very small amount, but earlier today I was compelled to click on the Paypal link to give a few bucks just to say that you all have truly done something very worthy of support here.

You’re forging new ground and teaching everyone how public participation should be handled.

Now, I am a person of very modest means, so if I can contribute a little bit, so can most other readers. Chip in, everyone. We need efforts like this to succeed.

can you all tear up the bathroom tiles and autograph them, then sell them on eBay?

Thanks for all you’ve done, I donated a pittance, wish I could bankroll the whole thing…

So, what’s next? There’s a real momentum starting here….possible to find more bloggers with expertise on defense spending, healthcare administration, constitutional law, who could blog future committee hearings and diagram the political ebb and flow for us lefties?

You can’t let it end here! I realize you all need to make a living, but pass the torch if you can.

cazimi @ 16

It’s a very small amount, but earlier today I was compelled to click on the Paypal link to give a few bucks just to say that you all have truly done something very worthy of support here.

You’re forging new ground and teaching everyone how public participation should be handled.

Now, I am a person of very modest means, so if I can contribute a little bit, so can most other readers. Chip in, everyone. We need efforts like this to succeed.

No doubt the folks at Plame House and readers of the blog appreciate your “modest” contribution very much! Thank you!

I’m ready to kick some political …! And do the work.

It is my pleasure to yet again adjust the track lighting.

RBG @ 21

It is my pleasure to yet again adjust the track lighting.

Are they paying you union scale? *g*

RBG @
21

It is my pleasure to yet again adjust the track lighting.

wouldn’t want any glare now…

I have never felt so much a part of a like minded community as I do here at FDL.
Many thanks to all FDLers. This has been, and continues to be, an awesome experience.
To be part of history in the making. Wow. just WOW.
I’m hoping to be able to send some $$ as soon as I get my Tax refund. :).

Hello to those reading this who’ve neither commented nor contributed! Consider one and the other — or both, please.

As a disabled person of very modest means who’s made multiple contributions to Plame House, I ask you: please help. My small contributions have made me feel vested in a way I’d love to share with you.

Give; it goes both ways.

All we have is until Nov. 2008. Not a whole lotta time really.

We need to elect a prez and get a solid Demo majority. Sounds simple. Doesn’t it?

Just saw a video of the founder of “Americans for Jobs, Health Care and Progressive Values” talking on C-SPAN about how his organization’s sole purpose was to “take out” Howard Dean. At least that piece of, um, “work” is not the one Obama hired. But still, if you really want to “change the tone” in politics, you probably shouldn’t hire the guy who was the spokesman for that same organization.

TeddySanFran @ 25

Hello to those reading this who’ve neither commented nor contributed! Consider one and the other — or both, please.

As a disabled person of very modest means who’s made multiple contributions to Plame House, I ask you: please help. My small contributions have made me feel vested in a way I’d love to share with you.

Give; it goes both ways.

TSF,
That was so very well said! Thank you! I always look forward to your comments here.

AZ Matt @
22

RBG @ 21

It is my pleasure to yet again adjust the track lighting.

Are they paying you union scale? *g*

How about I just say that the working conditions and benefit package are really quite rewarding.

For RGB and others behind the scenes: What’ll ya have, I’m buyin’.

amen TeddySF!, amen

have only recently been in a position to give to FDL and damn it felt good – and the goodness far outweighed any sense of it not being adequate

RBG @ 30

AZ Matt @
22

RBG @ 21

It is my pleasure to yet again adjust the track lighting.

Are they paying you union scale? *g*

How about I just say that the working conditions and benefit package are really quite rewarding.

Sounds Star Struck to me! 8>)

*blushes*

back atcha

The primaries and the general. Piece of cake. Right? I don’t think so. It’s going to take a lot of hard, very hard work. And money.

“give me back my baby Scooter” Too funny! Thanks.

came for the consummate Plameology. got hooked on a friendly community and snarkasm. got fired up for Lamont and Blue America. ran up some credit cards with feel-good donations.

…what’s not to like?

Eli @ 3: “Did I read right that PhD jurors were the *defense’s* idea? How does that jibe with an arm-waving, smoke-blowing, confuse-the-jury defense?”

PhD’s in the sciences used to lean, by a slight margin, towards the Republican party.

I don’t know if that’s still the case, somehow I doubt it, but it may have been the thinking behind the defense wanting them on the jury, *if* that’s what happened.

legaleze @ 36

“give me back my baby Scooter” Too funny! Thanks.

And yet millions of Americans saw Judge Larry cry about disposing of Anna Nicole; few could tell you who Wells is.

legaleze @ 36

“give me back my baby Scooter” Too funny! Thanks.

You means to say Scooter’s mom and Ted Wells!? Who would have thought! But I must say he probably takes after his mother’s side more.

The word “awesome” has been, unfortunately, devalued in recent years (vide “Your new Ferragamos are wicked awesome, Condi!”).

In the old sense of that word, therefore, and I know that you will all agree, the FDL team has done awesome work throughout “L’affaire Plame” — and hopefully will continue to do so well beyond this case.

http://www.pulitzer.com — there, I’ve just made it easier for you on the Nominating Committee (and I know you’re out there) to Do The Right Thing. TYVM and LOL.
————
P.S. — We’re taking our country back. You wanna come along or keep playing for the Ancien Regime?

punaise @ 37

came for the consummate Plameology. got hooked on a friendly community and snarkasm. got fired up for Lamont and Blue America. ran up some credit cards with feel-good donations.

…what’s not to like?

well, there’s this punster from the left coast who’s always cracking wise…. ;>

JGabriel @ 38

Eli @ 3: “Did I read right that PhD jurors were the *defense’s* idea? How does that jibe with an arm-waving, smoke-blowing, confuse-the-jury defense?”

PhD’s in the sciences used to lean, by a slight margin, towards the Republican party.

I don’t know if that’s still the case, somehow I doubt it, but it may have been the thinking behind the defense wanting them on the jury, *if* that’s what happened.

I guess that could be it, but if I were them, I’d be looking for indecisive, easily confused people who are distracted by shiny objects.

TeddySanFran @
25

My small contributions have made me feel vested in a way I’d love to share with you.

Give; it goes both ways.

I’ve chipped in my li’l bit, and I’m going to get Marcy’s book, too. It does feel good and makes you feel ‘part of’. I’m pretty hand-to-mouth myself, but I’ve decided to make small contributions to the people and issues I support.

There’s an attempt afoot to stampede the herd (herd: that’s us). Are ya’ll gonna be happy with President HRC?

P.S. — We’re taking our country back. You wanna come along or keep playing for the Ancien Regime?

yeah, as in that scene at the airport in Casablanca. Make a decision here, Schuster….

hi Alicia!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

There’s an attempt afoot to stampede the herd (herd: that’s us). Are ya’ll gonna be happy with President HRC?

I’m not real thrilled with *any* of the top three candidates. Edwards would be my preference as president, but I think he’s a weak campaigner who doesn’t know how to counter Republican smear attacks.

You know… people who voted for attacking Iraq helped enable people like Libby.

punaise @ 37

… snarkasm …

ROTFLOL & TYVM!!!

hey TSF! guess we don’t call it Baghdad by the Bay anymore, huh?

Echoing the sentiments of the blogosphere and my own sometimes comments, I’m tres impressed with both the possibilities of what this became, and the actuality. I don’t offer this lightly, but if you want to have a Blog House for the Dem convention, shoot me an email. Lots of room, lots of political whoring in the area.
Regardless, you all should be very proud of what you’ve done here. Also not said lightly, but you’ve shifted the political plates of How Things Get Done in the 21st century.

RBG – you must be a little bit relieved that things aren’t quite as crazy as they’ve been for the past month or so.

Thank you so much for putting up with all of us and so patiently slaying trolls and keeping us all in line.

Eli @ 48

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

There’s an attempt afoot to stampede the herd (herd: that’s us). Are ya’ll gonna be happy with President HRC?

I’m not real thrilled with *any* of the top three candidates. Edwards would be my preference as president, but I think he’s a weak campaigner who doesn’t know how to counter Republican smear attacks.

With only slighly more experience than Obama. I am still holding out for Gore.

dab_from_CT @ 53

RBG – you must be a little bit relieved that things aren’t quite as crazy as they’ve been for the past month or so.

Thank you so much for putting up with all of us and so patiently slaying trolls and keeping us all in line.

hear, hear!

Pectopah @ 54

With only slighly more experience than Obama. I am still holding out for Gore.

Oh, I really *really* want Gore. But I think Stoller’s right that he’s not running. Clark and Richardson are intriguing dark horses, but I’m really not super-excited by anybody.

Come 2008… I don’t want to be “crazy on a ship of fools”.

*in tears* Give me back my FDL YouTube!

…very much look forward to doing something along these lines again when the moment seems right.

That moment is every night! :)

S.O.S. in MA @ 50

punaise @ 37

… snarkasm …

ROTFLOL & TYVM!!!

TRex once volunteered to be the keeper of the FDL snarkives. :~)

That the jury is putting together a timeline seems fairly clear. It also seems clear that it (the jury) is considering each charge very, very carefully.

Whatever the verdit turns out to be, I’m confident the jury will have taken its work very seriously. Between Walton running a tight ship and this particular jury, would that make an appeal that much more difficult for Scooter (assuming a guilty verdict)?

Eli @ 48

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

There’s an attempt afoot to stampede the herd (herd: that’s us). Are ya’ll gonna be happy with President HRC?

I’m not real thrilled with *any* of the top three candidates. Edwards would be my preference as president, but I think he’s a weak campaigner who doesn’t know how to counter Republican smear attacks.

It wouldn’t matter what smears the `pugs came up with if just one of them would say, straight out: “I’m going to prosecute the people who lied about war, I’m going to prosecute the people who stole tax dollars that were supposed to go to soldiers and put that money in their own pockets. I’m going to put corporations on a short leash, for their good and for ours. I’m going to repair the bridges that Bush and Cheney have burned behind them. The rich will pay their fair share of taxes and the poor will finally get some relief. I’m going to spend their tax money on preserving our future, and theirs. I’m going to take religion out of government and put it back in the churches where it belongs. I’m going to bring our troops home and work with the international community to repair the damage caused by an illegal, immoral war created from lies, by liars.”

That’d do it for me. But, I ain’t holdin’ my breath.

mc @ 60

That the jury is putting together a timeline seems fairly clear. It also seems clear that it (the jury) is considering each charge very, very carefully.

Whatever the verdit turns out to be, I’m confident the jury will have taken its work very seriously. Between Walton running a tight ship and this particular jury, would that make an appeal that much more difficult for Scooter (assuming a guilty verdict)?

A serious jury is bad for Libby. Wells wants a jury that just throws up its hands and says “It’s all too confusing!”

Edwards would be my preference as president, but I think he’s a weak campaigner who doesn’t know how to counter Republican smear attacks.

let’s remember he made a fortune speaking to juries, often countering the high priced legal help of insurance companies

let’s see what he can do now that he’s been De-Shrum’d

Eli @ 56

Pectopah @ 54

With only slighly more experience than Obama. I am still holding out for Gore.

Oh, I really *really* want Gore. But I think Stoller’s right that he’s not running. Clark and Richardson are intriguing dark horses, but I’m really not super-excited by anybody.

Gore will run if called (and I don’t mean by God). Hopefully this kerfuffle is the start of the Hillary implosion.

With so many big states moving to Feb 5, you could have a two or three way stalemate on Feb 6. That could induce Gore to jump in.

montag @ 61

It wouldn’t matter what smears the `pugs came up with if just one of them would say, straight out: “I’m going to prosecute the people who lied about war, I’m going to prosecute the people who stole tax dollars that were supposed to go to soldiers and put that money in their own pockets. I’m going to put corporations on a short leash, for their good and for ours. I’m going to repair the bridges that Bush and Cheney have burned behind them. The rich will pay their fair share of taxes and the poor will finally get some relief. I’m going to spend their tax money on preserving our future, and theirs. I’m going to take religion out of government and put it back in the churches where it belongs. I’m going to bring our troops home and work with the international community to repair the damage caused by an illegal, immoral war created from lies, by liars.”

That’d do it for me. But, I ain’t holdin’ my breath.

Of course, any candidate who would say that wouldn’t let the mud slide, either.

punaise @ 51

hey TSF! guess we don’t call it Baghdad by the Bay anymore, huh?

Tehran by the Bay? Washington by the Bay? I think in the spirit of Herb Caen, the great San Francisco columnist, Baghdad by the Bay is still good(and it just has to tick off all the wingnuts).

punaise @ 51

hey TSF! guess we don’t call it Baghdad by the Bay anymore, huh?

There have been 16 murders in EssEff in 2007, twice 2006’s rate. Not like Bahgdad, but scary.

cbl @ 63

let’s remember he made a fortune speaking to juries, often countering the high priced legal help of insurance companies

let’s see what he can do now that he’s been De-Shrum’d

I believe we already have. He should have torn Donohue a new one, and instead he *agreed* with him.

Pectopah @ 64

Gore will run if called (and I don’t mean by God). Hopefully this kerfuffle is the start of the Hillary implosion.

With so many big states moving to Feb 5, you could have a two or three way stalemate on Feb 6. That could induce Gore to jump in.

I hope so. I haven’t seen anything to convince me that Hillary’s going to be derailed, unless her refusal to admit that her Iraq vote was a mistake turns out to be poison, which I think is a very good possibility. And she’s made it a lot harder for herself to back away from it.

I’d like to add my squeaky little voice in appreciation for all of you brilliant people who provide us with FDL goodness. There is so much information, intelligence, humor and hope here.

oh crikey, Eli, I didn’t follow the story so much as the outline – I am so disappointed to hear that

A very conservative Republican friend of mine just sent me an email showing a passenger plan with a coffin of an American soldier being offloading. It is an extremely poignant photo because it is night time and soldiers in full dress uniform are offloading a flag draped coffin while passengers are looking out the window.

The second photo included in the email is of the wife, sleeping on a cot beside her husband the night before he was buried.

They are stunning photos and the commentary is heartbreaking. And this is being sent around the Internet by people of all political persuasions. I have to hope that the tide is turning. I just have to hope.

There is much talent in the Demo party. Exclusive of Hillary and Obama.

cbl @ 71

oh crikey, Eli, I didn’t follow the story so much as the outline – I am so disappointed to hear that

He basically said that he was troubled by the writings that Donohue had pointed out, but he wasn’t going to fire them. And that was basically it. No counterattack, no calling Donohue on his bullshit, no full-throated defense of his employees, even after the hate mail started flying. I don’t know if he pushed them to resign, or just quietly waited for them to.

I’ll be on the Gore bandwagon in a jiffy. Wait, I’m already on it.

“accept no substitutes”

If Hillary is so smart, why couldn’t she see this warvote-denial thing coming? The only way she could not deny her vote — or admit it’s a mistake — is if she really, really believes in her vote.

In which case, I do not want her to be President.

There; that was simple. Thank you, Senator Clinton.

punaise @ 75

I’ll be on the Gore bandwagon in a jiffy. Wait, I’m already on it.

“accept no substitutes”

Same here, but we need a Plan B if Gore is content to be Global Warming Jimmy Carter.

‘Hillary the triangulator’. ‘Obama the conciliator’. I vote for neither concept last Nov.

I have to comment on the editing of comments by the mods, specifically pundit’s comment on the last thread. An entire sentence was deleted, apparently because it was not deemed “politically correct”. I always appreciated this site because the posts (and comments) showed a “take no prisoners” attitude, which I found refreshing considering the pablum we are fed from most other sources. Are we now to acquiesce to censorship in the name of “civility”? Where will it end, when we are receiving nothing but pablum here, too?

[RBG Note; Just so we’re clear, the mods have specific instructions that comments about violence against other persons should be moderated. In this particular case, the mods deleted one sentence as opposed to the entire comment. I gotta say I think they made the right choice.]

punaise @ 75

I’ll be on the Gore bandwagon in a jiffy. Wait, I’m already on it.

“accept no substitutes”

;0)

TeddySanFran @ 76

If Hillary is so smart, why couldn’t she see this warvote-denial thing coming? The only way she could not deny her vote — or admit it’s a mistake — is if she really, really believes in her vote.

In which case, I do not want her to be President.

There; that was simple. Thank you, Senator Clinton.

If she was so smart, she wouldn’t have voted for the war in the first place.

Eli @ 56

… Oh, I really *really* want Gore. But I think Stoller’s right that he’s not running. Clark and Richardson are intriguing dark horses, but I’m really not super-excited by anybody.

Me too. The rest of the field doesn’t truly thrill me. I’m a cockeyed optimist (I’m not even asking for anyone to call me one). :) I still think that Governor Howard Dean MD, now the recently vindicated (”50-state strategy”) Chairman of the DNC, should take another crack at the nomination, assuming Gore makes the “Sherman Statement” ( http://tinyurl.com/2cuu6o ). And the media hatchet job be DAMNED. I’d just like to see the Repukes TRY to drag him down with bad miking this time out…

I do not accept the notion I should acccept second, or third, or whatever best.

Or rather, if you accept the framing both she and Kerry used, she shouldn’t have granted Bush the authority to go to war, because questions about intel aside, anyone who believed Bush would not use that authority is waaaay too trusting to be president.

punaise @ 59

… TRex once volunteered to be the keeper of the FDL snarkives. :~)

That would be so snarkhetypical of him.

I used to think Hillary was very smart. What does that make me? Not very smart. Then.

Watching Rory Kennedy’s documentary Ghosts of Abu Ghraib on HBO.

America’s shame.

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and all their minions and enablers:

Monsters ball.

S.O.S. in MA @ 82

Eli @ 56

… Oh, I really *really* want Gore. But I think Stoller’s right that he’s not running. Clark and Richardson are intriguing dark horses, but I’m really not super-excited by anybody.

Me too. The rest of the field doesn’t truly thrill me. I’m a cockeyed optimist (I’m not even asking for anyone to call me one). :) I still think that Governor Howard Dean MD, now the recently vindicated (”50-state strategy”) Chairman of the DNC, should take another crack at the nomination, assuming Gore makes the “Sherman Statement” ( http://tinyurl.com/2cuu6o ). And the media hatchet job be DAMNED. I’d just like to see the Repukes TRY to drag him down with bad miking this time out…

I actually prefer Dean where he is, but I’d like to see him speak out more. He’s one of the few Democrats that the media is willing to cover (it’s Teh Crazy!), and he is very good at naming the Republicans for what they are, and at calling bullshit bullshit.

Eli @ 84

Or rather, if you accept the framing both she and Kerry used, she shouldn’t have granted Bush the authority to go to war, because questions about intel aside, anyone who believed Bush would not use that authority is waaaay too trusting to be president.

Yes. I do not consider the intel-lies put together by Bush/CheneyCo to be particularly well-crafted or difficult to see through. Therefore, since I believe our enemies to be cleverer than Bush/CheneyCo — a LOT cleverer — I’d like our next leader to be one not taken in by their lies.

I wasn’t taken in. Why should my next President have been?

dab_from_CT @ 72

One of the people in my workgroup has those on his cube wall (since shortly after starting, last year). Those are – well, I wish someone would make Shrub and Darth read them, every day and twice on Sundays, just to see if they can get it.

Front and center. What are the two main problems facing us? Global warming and world war. Gore.

S.O.S. in MA @ 85

punaise @ 59

… TRex once volunteered to be the keeper of the FDL snarkives. :~)

That would be so snarkhetypical of him.

problem was, he kept nodding off….snarkolepsy

TeddySanFran @ 89

Yes. I do not consider the intel-lies put together by Bush/CheneyCo to be particularly well-crafted or difficult to see through. Therefore, since I believe our enemies to be cleverer than Bush/CheneyCo — a LOT cleverer — I’d like our next leader to be one not taken in by their lies.

I wasn’t taken in. Why should my next President have been?

Yes. And what I’m saying is that anyone who voted for the AUMF got fooled *twice*: Once, for believing that the intel was valid, and twice, for believing Dubya considered war a last resort rather than first choice.

(Seriously, how could *anyone* not know that war is like a Crackerjack prize to that freak?)

I would like to ask the support of the group here in my new task to not read David Broder or George Will anymore.

Some say the milestone comes when a majority of people can vote for a candidate despite the fact she is a woman.

I say the milestone is reached when a majority of people can decide against a candidate despite the fact she is a woman — because she is the wrong person for the job.

In other words, exceptional talent/ability will always succeed despite discrimination. True equality comes when a formerly discriminated-against class achieves the freedom to be as mediocre-yet-successful as the next person.

LindaR @ 96

Some say the milestone comes when a majority of people can vote for a candidate despite the fact she is a woman.

I say the milestone is reached when a majority of people can decide against a candidate despite the fact she is a woman — because she is the wrong person for the job.

In other words, exceptional talent/ability will always succeed despite discrimination. True equality comes when a formerly discriminated-against class achieves the freedom to be as mediocre-yet-successful as the next person.

Yes. The ultimate goal is meritocracy.

Man, are we far away from that.

But LindaR, doesn’t that also explain the Rice Secretariat at State?

TeddySanFran @ 94

I would like to ask the support of the group here in my new task to not read David Broder or George Will anymore.

You can count on me!

I’m hoping the jury has gone yes, guilty of that one, maybe not that one, and is deliberating over that. I don’t know how anyone even vaguely capable of thinking could conclude anything else than he lied through his teeth to the GJ. I’ll bet he’s wishing right now that he’d done the memory thing then. “I don’t remember” is the kind of lie even Fitz couldn’t prove he told.

unless her refusal to admit that her Iraq vote was a mistake turns out to be poison,

are you ready for this ?

all she has to do is remind all kinds of voters that at one time, they all thought the same way – and they really don’t want their President second guessing herself, now do they ?

I’m not saying I’m going to like it, but she might get away with it

Okay, we have YouTube.

TeddySanFran @25

As a disabled person of very modest means who’s made multiple contributions to Plame House, I ask you: please help. My small contributions have made me feel vested in a way I’d love to share with you.

Teddy, also of modest means (unemployed? retired??) but kicked in more than I could afford last month and have just added another mite. If this country survives the current crisis, it will only be due to people like the ones at FDL.

Thanks, Jane, for fixing my addiction with the daily dose of FireDogLakeTV via PoliticsTV.

Now off to watch. Where’s the popcorn?

PhD’s, scientists, mathematicians ‘lean’ republican???

Not any more! Their jobs have all been shipped out of the country over the past 6 years. Speaking from personal experience.

TeddySanFran — No. Rice is a phenom of tokenism; I think she went to the Clarence Thomas School of How You Can Get Here From There.

There are one or two women and men I think would make wonderful presidents.

Rice is so disgusting.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

There’s an attempt afoot to stampede the herd (herd: that’s us). Are ya’ll gonna be happy with President HRC?

Eli @ 48

I’m not real thrilled with *any* of the top three candidates. Edwards would be my preference as president, but I think he’s a weak campaigner who doesn’t know how to counter Republican smear attacks.

montag @ 61

It wouldn’t matter what smears the `pugs came up with if just one of them would say, straight out: “I’m going to prosecute the people who lied about war, I’m going to prosecute the people who stole tax dollars that were supposed to go to soldiers and put that money in their own pockets. I’m going to put corporations on a short leash, for their good and for ours. I’m going to repair the bridges that Bush and Cheney have burned behind them. The rich will pay their fair share of taxes and the poor will finally get some relief. I’m going to spend their tax money on preserving our future, and theirs. I’m going to take religion out of government and put it back in the churches where it belongs. I’m going to bring our troops home and work with the international community to repair the damage caused by an illegal, immoral war created from lies, by liars.”
That’d do it for me. But, I ain’t holdin’ my breath.

The only problem I see, Montag, is that I’m virtually certain Hillary Clinton would be willing to say just about all of those things if it meant she could get your vote and the vote of the majority, and win. OTOH, I doubt she would follow through. As for me, I’m holding out for Gore, too, but in the event he flatly refuses to run, I’ve decided I will not vote for anyone who had the poor judgement to vote for the AUMF. So that also knocks out Edwards (who was my fall back position until recently.) Perhaps Richardson?

I look forward to the day when people start saying “I’ll be all over that like incompetent on Rice.”

And as for Clarence? Good God!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

There’s an attempt afoot to stampede the herd (herd: that’s us). Are ya’ll gonna be happy with President HRC?

HRC? That means what?

Her Royal Crassness?
Her Rightwing Cover?
Her Rude Comeuppance?
Her Reign’s Complete?
Howdy, Rudy. Comfortable?

And so much more…hee, hee, hee…ptui!

Just in case you two don’t have anyone telling you how lovely you both are – I’m telling you!

punaise @ 92

problem was, he kept nodding off….snarkolepsy

Snickering all the while nodding off, I’m sure.

He does need some pushing to work on a book. Maybe if we gave him a working title: Raiders of the Lost Snark. :)

Wonderful clip, Jane & Marcy.

Marcy – thanks so much for your amazing live blogging and for sharing your knowledge and humorous commentary with us.

Jane – Thank you so much for all that you do. (And take care of yourself!)

Gawd it’s lonely w/out Molly.

Okay that’s my favorite YouTube we’ve done yet.

TeddySanFran @ 47

hi Alicia!

Hey there, TSF!

and thank you, Jane and Marcy.
more to come to the kettle from me.

Ah. Now that was nice. An explainer on the sorority/fraternity house that was Plame House.

I am hoping there are a bunch of options already gathering in the event of another trial…oh, please, let there be another trial SOON.

dab_from_CT @ 72

A very conservative Republican friend of mine just sent me an email showing a passenger plan with a coffin of an American soldier being offloading. It is an extremely poignant photo because it is night time and soldiers in full dress uniform are offloading a flag draped coffin while passengers are looking out the window.

The second photo included in the email is of the wife, sleeping on a cot beside her husband the night before he was buried.

They are stunning photos and the commentary is heartbreaking. And this is being sent around the Internet by people of all political persuasions. I have to hope that the tide is turning. I just have to hope.

Twould really like to see that dab_from_CT! Do you have a linky or can you make one?

TIA!

OT:

Barak Obama in Austin,Texas; tomorrow Friday, 23rd. 2:00 -3:00

Free email ticket: http://WWW.barakobama.com

Let’s see what it’s about.

dab_from_CT @
114

Wonderful clip, Jane & Marcy.

Marcy – thanks so much for your amazing live blogging and for sharing your knowledge and humorous commentary with us.

Jane – Thank you so much for all that you do. (And take care of yourself!)

Thanks, Dab. I have lots of wonderful people in my corner (including yourself). I get wonderful care, can’t ask for better.

Jane, thank you for yet another great YouTube tonight. Hitting the tip jar again for you all. Awesome, awesome work from you, Marcy, Christy, Swopa, Pach and everyone!

It has all been so real…an apartment, politics tv everynight, many of the stars of our side and even all the poodles with you? Wow….what an amazing community.

Does it bother anyone else that we’re spending so much time on the presidential candidates? Good God we’re more than 20 months from the election.

Great clip, as per usual.

I completely agree that this trial was a great “pulse point” for bloggers to directly compete with the Traditional Media. Markets segment. It’s very appropriate that the liberal blogs pick their spots.
Insert your favorite God, Science, Yahweh, Higher Power, Allah, [_____] bless Arianna for getting you those press passes.

JGabriel @
38

Eli @ 3: “Did I read right that PhD jurors were the *defense’s* idea? How does that jibe with an arm-waving, smoke-blowing, confuse-the-jury defense?”

PhD’s in the sciences used to lean, by a slight margin, towards the Republican party.

I don’t know if that’s still the case, somehow I doubt it, but it may have been the thinking behind the defense wanting them on the jury, *if* that’s what happened.

Republicans in this administration hate science. And justice.

What a great clip! Jane and Marcy, you both look gorgeous. I feel so proud to have contributed to both the book and the Plame house.

I hope this isn’t the last iteration of “co-op journalism” — actually, I feel confident there will be more. Think about it: You all were beholden to no advertisers, no corporate owners, no conventional wisdom. Only to the truth.

And though you have your biases, you were open about them. And we all had enough previous experience of you to know we could trust what you wrote here.

People have said this already: We are seeing a Renaissance of 18th century pamphleteering through the blogosphere.

Fun.

Woo hoo – Firedoglake on PoliticsTV is the BEST tv. I don’t speak to anyone in my daily life about the Libby trial; nobody knows or cares, but here I have good company and good conversation. Brilliant!

Enjoyed all the clips, thank you. Have been speechlessly grateful for the trial coverage. I consider my “toe-tapping” tax an investment in my democracy, my own future as an informed citizen. I will certainly continue after the trial.

I am curious about something. I understand the court is only giving a fifteen minute notice of the verdict. It makes sense that the media room would be full while the jury is in session, to be on hand in case it comes down. But what about the parties? Are the attorneys inside the courthouse all day, too? Is Baby Scooter having to show up and wait all day too? I can’t help but wonder what he’s doing with all these hours.

I’d like to thank David Geffen, big gay Hollywood dude, for starting this up early. I’m always happy to see teh gays have an impact, any way we can.

PS And MoDo

John Casper @ 125

Great clip, as per usual.

I completely agree that this trial was a great “pulse point” for bloggers to directly compete with the Traditional Media. Markets segment. It’s very appropriate that the liberal blogs pick their spots.
Insert your favorite God, Science, Yahweh, Higher Power, Allah, [_____] bless Arianna for getting you those press passes.

Yep, she really came through. I think she was really pleased with the outcome, too. The fact that she happened to be there for Russert? OMG she thought it was an example of divine intervention.

Arianna: ‘busy being fabulous’. Not bad. ;0)

Pectopah @ 64

Eli @ 56

Pectopah @ 54

With only slighly more experience than Obama. I am still holding out for Gore.

Oh, I really *really* want Gore. But I think Stoller’s right that he’s not running. Clark and Richardson are intriguing dark horses, but I’m really not super-excited by anybody.

Gore will run if called (and I don’t mean by God). Hopefully this kerfuffle is the start of the Hillary implosion.

With so many big states moving to Feb 5, you could have a two or three way stalemate on Feb 6. That could induce Gore to jump in.

I still love Gore. I’m hoping he’s just biding his time and letting the field sort itself out. I heard Gore Vidal say last year that he thought Al wanted to run, but he didn’t want it to be difficult. I just can’t think of anyone half-way as qualified. How can he deprive us?

montag @
61

Eli @ 48

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

There’s an attempt afoot to stampede the herd (herd: that’s us). Are ya’ll gonna be happy with President HRC?

I’m not real thrilled with *any* of the top three candidates. Edwards would be my preference as president, but I think he’s a weak campaigner who doesn’t know how to counter Republican smear attacks.

It wouldn’t matter what smears the `pugs came up with if just one of them would say, straight out: “I’m going to prosecute the people who lied about war, I’m going to prosecute the people who stole tax dollars that were supposed to go to soldiers and put that money in their own pockets. I’m going to put corporations on a short leash, for their good and for ours. I’m going to repair the bridges that Bush and Cheney have burned behind them. The rich will pay their fair share of taxes and the poor will finally get some relief. I’m going to spend their tax money on preserving our future, and theirs. I’m going to take religion out of government and put it back in the churches where it belongs. I’m going to bring our troops home and work with the international community to repair the damage caused by an illegal, immoral war created from lies, by liars.”

That’d do it for me. But, I ain’t holdin’ my breath.

Montag, are you running?

Jane Hamsher @ 116

Okay that’s my favorite YouTube we’ve done yet.

Y’all are just getting warmed up! Can’t wait to see what the future holds for FDL.

Alicia @ 133

I still love Gore. I’m hoping he’s just biding his time and letting the field sort itself out. I heard Gore Vidal say last year that he thought Al wanted to run, but he didn’t want it to be difficult. I just can’t think of anyone half-way as qualified. How can he deprive us?

I can’t believe he doesn’t see the same thing we do when he looks at the current crop of Democratic hopefuls, especially the frontrunners. How can he not say, “Oh, fuck this, I’m going to have to do it myself”?

Only thing I can think of is that there’s a dark horse he likes, and he’s waiting to see if they can make a move.

Red

This is a test. Someone told me how to do font colors, so I’m just checking if it works.

I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.

He has no baggage from the Iraq vote. He has more foreign policy experience than any of the others, and W is leaving the foreign policy house in a total effin’ shambles. Voters are not really gonna be happy about that, regardless of what is on the radar today.

montag @61

It wouldn’t matter what smears the `pugs came up with if just one of them would say, straight out: “I’m going to prosecute the people who lied about war, I’m going to prosecute the people who stole tax dollars that were supposed to go to soldiers and put that money in their own pockets. I’m going to put corporations on a short leash, for their good and for ours. I’m going to repair the bridges that Bush and Cheney have burned behind them. The rich will pay their fair share of taxes and the poor will finally get some relief. I’m going to spend their tax money on preserving our future, and theirs. I’m going to take religion out of government and put it back in the churches where it belongs. I’m going to bring our troops home and work with the international community to repair the damage caused by an illegal, immoral war created from lies, by liars.”

Amen. What would it take to get Wes Clark to run?

I hate to say it b/ Edwards has learnt zero from his Irak vote. He is as shrill on Iran as any NeoKon was on Irak. He might as well be a member of AIPAC.

As far as Peace in the MidEast, based on my gut feel, their statements toward Iran and body language, i like Gore, Obama, Richardson, (not Clark remember Pristina airport), Hagel. Clinton may be allright, at least Bill ultimately wound up at Taba Accords b/ his time had run out. But Edwards is just playing to focus groups.

That’s how he won his trials. By pre-trying his cases in front of pretend juries, seeing what flew and what didn’t. mock trials. Focus groups- if you will.

He is shamelessly pandering to the Israeli Likudniks.

That closing statement must have been given 10 times. I did mine that many till i could do it in my sleep. The three P’s if you caught my previous post. Entirely convinced, fully satisfied to a moral certainty- the lingo would roll off my lips.

That’s why I can’t believe Wells blew it so bad. They must have rehearsed this trial endlessly.

Needs some work.

Thanks jane for answering the important question that was buzzing around our house – where are the poodles? My four canines can rest comfortably now, knowing yours are with you.

bg @ 138

I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.

He has no baggage from the Iraq vote. He has more foreign policy experience than any of the others, and W is leaving the foreign policy house in a total effin’ shambles. Voters are not really gonna be happy about that, regardless of what is on the radar today.

And he’s a governor, which is always a plus. Also, how many governors can boast foreign policy experience?

Wow. Great video. So happy to be part of this. So, so happy.

Evil Parallel Universe @ 139

Needs some work.

Black and white and read all over.

Heh. Too funny. Just went back to re-watch last night’s video, realizing that the video posted tonight must have been shot immediately before or after last night’s.

And then it hit me while viewing yesterday’s video that Marcy was sporting two enormous boobs last night, that didn’t appear tonight.

Bwa-hahahahahah!!

Evil Parallel Universe @ 137

Red

This is a test. Someone told me how to do font colors, so I’m just checking if it works.

ha ha so much for all that omnipotent — oh, you said omniscient. never mind.

Rayne @ 145

Heh. Too funny. Just went back to re-watch last night’s video, realizing that the video posted tonight must have been shot immediately before or after last night’s.

And then it hit me while viewing yesterday’s video that Marcy was sporting two enormous boobs last night, that didn’t appear tonight.

Bwa-hahahahahah!!

They were pretty hideous and misshapen, though. Almost malevolent.

Arianna. I am, shall I say, somewhat impressed with this woman’s brain.

I am a lurker who really appreciates the strong mature unafraid female voices here.

After lurking in the weeds reading the live blogging and watching the video clips, I did something last night I have never done before. I became a contributor. I can’t contribute to political funding, being Canadian, but I wanted to show my appreciation in a tangible way. Plame House seemed like an excellent place to start.

Lindy @ 134

Montag, are you running?

Hah, that’s a good one. :)

Let’s just say that I have a few too many negatives to get past all the focus groups. :)

If elections were done here as they were at one point in ancient Greece, where every citizen had their turn in the box, you’d see some fur flyin’ fer sure. :)

Hillary and Obama will take each other out. He will fall to his inexperience. She will fall to her sclerosis (she is stuck in all the flows that used to work).

It will be Edwards, especially when everyone falls in love with Elizabeth all over again.

Unless Gore does come in.

EPU — codes are limited here in WordPress within comments. Only the tags with buttons above will work. ;-)

Teddy – Ha ha? That’s the best you can do? I will always be omniscient. And omnipotent someday perhaps.

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bg @ 138

I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.

He has no baggage from the Iraq vote. He has more foreign policy experience than any of the others, and W is leaving the foreign policy house in a total effin’ shambles. Voters are not really gonna be happy about that, regardless of what is on the radar today.

Bill Richardson will benefit from Hillary reminding America how wonderful Bill’s Presidency was. I’d be happy to see him our nominee. Is that “discipline” stuff about him over?

Great one Rayne. I had to check it out to see what you meant. LMAO.

Teddy – BTW, it works in preview. So don’t go blaming the omniscience.

Evil Parallel Universe @ 137

Red

This is a test. Someone told me how to do font colors, so I’m just checking if it works.

If my recollection serves me, *ilson turned that off (except for himself and other mods with Teh Power).

Do this for a month more at a regular-ish time and you cleave off serious share from the cable heads.

TeddySanFran @ 147

Evil Parallel Universe @ 137

Red

This is a test. Someone told me how to do font colors, so I’m just checking if it works.

ha ha so much for all that omnipotent — oh, you said omniscient. never mind.

Yeah, but EPU doesn’t seem to know why the test didn’t work. This is another moment of great disillusionment for me, just like when the Dodgers left Brooklyn.

Great video, Marcy and Jane!

Jane,

so good to hear you are being well cared for – ya look fabulous (the 16 year old let out a hubba-hubba)

thank you again for all you have done to bring us all here

Rayne – It worked in preview – which means the blog is quite the tease. I’m going to have to work on my omnipotence.

Evil Parallel Universe @ 153

Teddy – Ha ha? That’s the best you can do? I will always be omniscient. And omnipotent someday perhaps.

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ha ha

Just watched the YouTube and I gotta admit I was happiest to hear that Jane got to bring all three poodles there. I had been wondering at first what arrangements she made for the dogs, but I read an earlier post that led me to believe they were there. I’m sure that they do her as much good as she does them. I’m sure they are a great asset to her recovery.

EPU, you’re a universe unto yourself. If you say it’s red, I’ll take your word for it.

LatteSippingLefty @ 149

I am a lurker who really appreciates the strong mature unafraid female voices here.

After lurking in the weeds reading the live blogging and watching the video clips, I did something last night I have never done before. I became a contributor. I can’t contribute to political funding, being Canadian, but I wanted to show my appreciation in a tangible way. Plame House seemed like an excellent place to start.

welcome and thank you!

Thank you Jane, Marcy and all the FDL folks who have played a part in the coverage of this trail. The video was great.

Maybe it only works in blue, EPU

I’m just saying…

Per TSF, welcome, LatteSippingLefty.

EPU (162) — I hear they make a pill for that.

Edit: And thank you very much, LatteSippingLefty, for supporting FireDogLake. Groovy!!

Rayne,

I knew something was up, chesire like grins all around last night – chalked it up to the aforementioned wine ;)

Gore chose Lieberman. Many Democrats were yelling back then, what are you thinking?!? If Gore would’ve fought for the job he won and served two terms, we’d be talking about Lieberman as the frontrunner now in ‘08. I hope he stays out, since like Dean, he’s getting ALOT accomplished right now. Stick with what you’re good at.

John C – It was red in preview – really, truly, honestly. I’m surprised it was so easy. Now I’m gonna try changing font sizes. Wow, talk about excitement.

Rayne – What pill would that be?

bg@138:
“I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.”

But he has a woman problem. I’m not decided on anyone, but just throwing this out there.

TeddySanFran @ 94

I would like to ask the support of the group here in my new task to not read David Broder or George Will anymore.

Teddy, I’ll see you Broder and Will and raise you Cohen. Even though Cohen occasionally makes sense, that doesn’t happen often enough to chance clicking on him.

bonkers @ 171

Gore chose Lieberman. Many Democrats were yelling back then, what are you thinking?!? If Gore would’ve fought for the job he won and served two terms, we’d be talking about Lieberman as the frontrunner now in ‘08. I hope he stays out, since like Dean, he’s getting ALOT accomplished right now. Stick with what you’re good at.

This is not the same Gore.

bg @ 138

I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.

He has no baggage from the Iraq vote. He has more foreign policy experience than any of the others, and W is leaving the foreign policy house in a total effin’ shambles. Voters are not really gonna be happy about that, regardless of what is on the radar today.

Baggage? Yes! The Republics are just waiting to tear him a new hole over the Sandia Espionage scandals while he was Energy Sec.

ohioblue @
176

TeddySanFran @ 94

I would like to ask the support of the group here in my new task to not read David Broder or George Will anymore.

Teddy, I’ll see you Broder and Will and raise you Cohen. Even though Cohen occasionally makes sense, that doesn’t happen often enough to chance clicking on him.

Let’s make it a foursome and shun Howie Kurtz as well!!

ohioblue @ 176

TeddySanFran @ 94

I would like to ask the support of the group here in my new task to not read David Broder or George Will anymore.

Teddy, I’ll see you Broder and Will and raise you Cohen. Even though Cohen occasionally makes sense, that doesn’t happen often enough to chance clicking on him.

May I recommend Eugene Robinson in the WaPo? He’s a good ‘un.

EPU (174) — why, the blue pill, sir.

AZ Matt @
66

punaise @ 51

hey TSF! guess we don’t call it Baghdad by the Bay anymore, huh?

Tehran by the Bay? Washington by the Bay? I think in the spirit of Herb Caen, the great San Francisco columnist, Baghdad by the Bay is still good(and it just has to tick off all the wingnuts).

To the wingnuts, “Baghdad by the Bay” makes perfect sense, reflecting their desire to invade or bomb the place into oblivion.

TeddySanFran @ 178

ohioblue @
176

Teddy, I’ll see you Broder and Will and raise you Cohen. Even though Cohen occasionally makes sense, that doesn’t happen often enough to chance clicking on him.

Let’s make it a foursome and shun Howie Kurtz as well!!

But what would I do for material?

Wuhl! I wanted to see the poodles too!

I love the PoliticsTV!

LatteSippingLefty @
150

I am a lurker who really appreciates the strong mature unafraid female voices here.

After lurking in the weeds reading the live blogging and watching the video clips, I did something last night I have never done before. I became a contributor. I can’t contribute to political funding, being Canadian, but I wanted to show my appreciation in a tangible way. Plame House seemed like an excellent place to start.

Friends in Quebec are on the same wavelength as you, Lefty, & became contributors to Plame Hse.
Ordering a copy of Anatomy of Deceit helps fan this flame, too :)

NewsClues @ 173

bg@138:
“I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.”

But he has a woman problem. I’m not decided on anyone, but just throwing this out there.

I think I have on good authority that this issue is manufactured. Please stop with it. I repeat, I don’t personally like the guy, but politically, I think he is fairly clean. I would look hard for influence problems (he’s nothing if not a politician, and from NM to boot), but this other is a canard.

TeddySF -
congrats on taking your first step – Atrios is your guy – he does Broderella, like drifty does BoBo

If this is larger, the pills are working

And again, it worked in preview.

Pectopah @ 178

Baggage? Yes! The Republics are just waiting to tear him a new hole over the Sandia Espionage scandals while he was Energy Sec.

Which actually began during the reign of Bush the Elder. I was reading about it in the papers in 1990….

Of course, that won’t get mentioned. My worry is that Richardson is a bit too tight with the nuclear industry for his own good, and the last thing we need is a brand-new nuclear weapons program, which is in the works now, and which Richardson would be certain to continue, given the placement of NM in that sphere.

Jane and Marcy,
Great show tonight. You both look almost Hollywood! But with serious brains and hearts. Thank you. You make me proud to be an American.

Evil Parallel Universe @ 186

If this is larger, the pills are working

And again, it worked in preview.

I think you’re in over your head.

bg @ 187

NewsClues @ 173

bg@138:
“I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.”

But he has a woman problem. I’m not decided on anyone, but just throwing this out there.

I think I have on good authority that this issue is manufactured. Please stop with it. I repeat, I don’t personally like the guy, but politically, I think he is fairly clean. I would look hard for influence problems (he’s nothing if not a politician, and from NM to boot), but this other is a canard.

Not done to offend, just something I’d read, and was surprised by it. I didn’t author it, and was just passing it on.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 115

Gawd it’s lonely w/out Molly.

Amen.

Ann in AZ @
164

Just watched the YouTube and I gotta admit I was happiest to hear that Jane got to bring all three poodles there. I had been wondering at first what arrangements she made for the dogs, but I read an earlier post that led me to believe they were there. I’m sure that they do her as much good as she does them. I’m sure they are a great asset to her recovery.

You betcha. The hardest part about having surgery in LA was that the dogs were in CT with Spazeboy. I’m sure they were happy but I missed them terribly and having them in DC made me really, really happy. They are very loving and healing.

Jane and Marcy,

You Rock!11one!!

bg – Not really. I can get color and different font sizes in preview. But if the boot licking heel of the WordPress state wants to deny me the universal right to determine my own font color and size, then I blame The Man.

Jane and Marcy, Christy, Pach, and Jeralyn, You have done such wonderfully important work. Jane, a special heartfelt thank you to you, and now take some good care of yourself.

Mad Dogs @120

I would love to share it but don’t know how to create a link to an email.

I’m going to see if it’s on the internet somewhere so I can snag a link.

Jane, I have 2 dogs and 4 cats. A few years ago I went to the emergency room with what I thought was upper respiratory infection on top of emphysema, but turned out to be a need for a quadruple heart bypass. I was in the hospital for nine days, and being away from my pets was the hardest part. So, I can relate.

Evil Parallel Universe @ 188

If this is larger, the pills are working

And again, it worked in preview.

So the P stands for Preview?

OT – but worth it, about effing time.

HUGE: Senate Dems move to REVOKE war authorization!

EZWriter once again has WaPo’s story before it hits the public. [One of these days we are going to have to corner EZ and ask a few questions about timing…like exactly how long does it take a story written by a journalist (let’s say like Novak) to get from submission by the journalist (let’s say 11-JUL-2003) to the actual point of publication. Hmm.]

Prairie Sunshine @
87

Watching Rory Kennedy’s documentary Ghosts of Abu Ghraib on HBO.

America’s shame.

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and all their minions and enablers:

Monsters ball.

Just finished watching. Maddening and saddening to watch. One thing that struck me was the “outing” by Rumsfeld on national TV of the person who reported the photos, which could have potentially placed him in danger.

The value of the painting in the background just went up.

ttpower @ 202

Prairie Sunshine @
87

Watching Rory Kennedy’s documentary Ghosts of Abu Ghraib on HBO.

America’s shame.

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and all their minions and enablers:

Monsters ball.

Just finished watching. Maddening and saddening to watch. One thing that struck me was the “outing” by Rumsfeld on national TV of the person who reported the photos, which could have potentially placed him in danger.

IIRC, the Flying Monkeys tried to get him.

dab_from_CT @ 198

Mad Dogs @120

I would love to share it but don’t know how to create a link to an email.

I’m going to see if it’s on the internet somewhere so I can snag a link.

Or you might trying saving the pics from the email to your own computer and then re-uploading them to one of the internet’s pic sites.

Most grateful for your effort in any event!

Thank you all for your hard work. I am hopelessly addicted. The sense of community, shared interest, I don’t know the correct word is astonishing to me. Thank you.

I just have to say it one more time. What amazing women Jane and Marcy are. Not only are they brilliant and hard working, they just seem so darn genuine and warm. How fortunate to have them out there watching events for us. So glad Jane has the poodles with her……, they must be good to come back to at the end of the day. Glad Marcy gets her beer thirty too. You are the best and the brightest and a joy to listen to as well as to behold. The house was such a great idea – you really deserved a place to recharge your batteries. Thank you all so much for what you have managed to accomplish, it really is quite unbelievable that you made this happen.

Jane, Marcy – You all have done an exceptional job. Thank you for your smart, logical and insightful writings. You give me hope!

LoudounLib @ 180

ohioblue @ 176

TeddySanFran @ 94

I would like to ask the support of the group here in my new task to not read David Broder or George Will anymore.

Teddy, I’ll see you Broder and Will and raise you Cohen. Even though Cohen occasionally makes sense, that doesn’t happen often enough to chance clicking on him.

May I recommend Eugene Robinson in the WaPo? He’s a good ‘un.

I love Eugene Robinson, also Colbert King. Funny you should mention Kurtz – I put him on my “Do not click list” about four weeks ago. One day I decided I would throw-up if I ever had to read him again, so I shall not.

In a similar vein, I really admire anyone who can check out the right wing blogs. I think I’m too old to sort through those dumpsters. I’ll have to rely on you valiant ones for any news from the dark side.

oh never mind

cbl – Yes it does. More importantly, you know my aversion to italics. If ONLY they made italics that leaned to the left…a universe can dream.

Evil Parallel Universe @ 161

Rayne – It worked in preview – which means the blog is quite the tease. I’m going to have to work on my omnipotence.

but that’s power, not knowledge.

Wiki on omniscience:

……..the above definitions cover what is called propositional knowledge (knowing that), as opposed to experiential knowledge (knowing how). That some entity is omniscient in the sense of possessing all possible propositional knowledge does not imply that it also possesses all possible experiential knowledge. Opinions differ as to whether the propositionally omniscient God of the theists is able to possess all experiential knowledge as well. But it seems at least obvious that a divine infinite being conceived of as necessary infinitely knowledgeable would also know how e.g. a finite person [man] dying feels like as He [God] would have access to all knowledge including the obvious experiences of the dying human. There is a third type of knowledge: practical or procedural knowledge (knowing how to do). If omniscience is taken to be infinite then all knowledge of all types would be full known and comprehended.

A related but distinct ability is omnipotence (unlimited power). Omniscience is sometimes understood to also imply the capacity to know everything that will be.

[all quotes’ italics from kjm]

i’d ask if epu were thinking of omniscience or clairvoyance….

but then would i have to fact-check?

my universe is riven asunder.

oh, how the mighty have fallen…

ohioblue @ 208

In a similar vein, I really admire anyone who can check out the right wing blogs. I think I’m too old to sort through those dumpsters. I’ll have to rely on you valiant ones for any news from the dark side.

I’m the same way – I wish I could venture over to the ‘dark side’- for research purposes – but I just can’t. Before blogs and liberal radio, I listened to right-wing spew in my car, just to get an idea about how their sick thinking worked. Now I can’t even read it, much less watch or listen to it.

I wish I could. It would be useful.

spurious @
193

Oklahoma kiddo @ 115

Gawd it’s lonely w/out Molly.

Amen.

I bet seeing Jane and Marcy, two great, smart women made you think of Molly. She will never be replaced, but thankfully, we are blessed with other brave and smart women. She absolutely would have loved what is going on here. Firedoglake crew is absolutely out there banging some pots and making noise. Can’t think of a finer tribute to Molly.

EPU,

sorry omniscient one, had the same problem before, thinking I’d finally found the right code for WordPress this time -

fresh TRex upstairs

hi cbl -

saw your question below about shooter’s diagnosis….

have some ideas for you…

….and then, a rant on the adolescent psychiatry “industry”

and breaking news:

this “shout-out” about an epu’d comment is now itself epu’d….

Kirk – Relax. No universes were torn asunder in the making of the post you cited.

Pls pardon the zig, but I can’t resist continuing the goodnatured joust with the local snarkangel of punnery…

punaise @ 92

S.O.S. in MA @ 85

punaise @ 59

… TRex once volunteered to be the keeper of the FDL snarkives. :~)

That would be so snarkhetypical of him.

problem was, he kept nodding off….snarkolepsy

A dangerous malady, alas, for one who plans and keeps our sacred FDL snarkives; it’s a wonder he ever stayed awake long enough to earn his degree while studying at the world-famous Snarkitecture school which is located in Little Rock — at the University of Snarkansas.

HeeHee :)

Have there been any rumors about Pelosi seeking the Presidency someday? Obviously, she’s already as close as any woman has ever been, but I wonder if she would ever campaign for it.

Hillary is just atrocious (although if she’s the nominee I’ll vote for her), and Pelosi has been wonderful so far!

Hillary: “I’m in to win.” Yep, it’s all about you. It’s not about “we the people,” or the Constitution, or trivial things like that. Ughh…

Evil Parallel Universe @ 217

Kirk – Relax. No universes were torn asunder in the making of the post you cited.

Thanks, EPU for helping with this existential crisis.

Guess there’s now a reason to put my wet clothes in the dryer.

Just saw the video. How many have died in Iraq? Well, thank god we got the pivot – on to the prize!

kirk murphy,

why thank you so very much for your response ( quick read and will re read)

I didn’t disagree w/ anything you characterized as ‘rant’ – have had personal experience with misdiagnosis in adolescents – and know of 2 other families who went through hell when their bi-polar children were incorrectly treated as ADHD

have the most rudimentary knowledge of the major personality disorders/co-morbidity and frankly doc, I see ‘traits’ in lots of unevaluated folks – at least it’s given me an appreciation for what would call someone to your line of work

I’ll go with sociopath,

some studies show that APD correlates with a decreased biolgical capacity to experience anxiety. (This doesn’t excuse any sociopath’s acts, of course.)

no, but it sure explains the ” I have no trouble sleeping” quote doesn’t it ?

amateur cbl maintains the w/ BPD co morbid traits – per my initial comments ( although my brain sometimes spins trying to make XXXX disorder w/ co morbid traits all fit together)

surely somewhere there is a psychiatric post mortem on authoritarian regimes for a lay person – would be interesting to read – but of course going in looking for similarities or parallels tells me I’d find ‘em

thank you again for your considerate response

EPU, the software strips out a lot of HTML tags to keep people from putting disruptive crap in the comments. For example, we can’t insert inline images. But they do show up on preview. The bug is in the preview feature (it shows stuff that the software removes on purpose), not in the posting part of the software (except in the sense that the removal feature is enabled). The removal stuff is generally settable as part of the configuration so maybe FDL’s webheads could turn it off, given that the comment threads are actively moderated.

[Mod note; what, ya think we don’t have enough work already?]

Eli @ 93

Yes. And what I’m saying is that anyone who voted for the AUMF got fooled *twice*: Once, for believing that the intel was valid, and twice, for believing Dubya considered war a last resort rather than first choice.

(Seriously, how could *anyone* not know that war is like a Crackerjack prize to that freak?)

Oh, that final sentence would be so damn funny if it wasn’t so depressing!

I can see how some Senators used the excuse that the AUMF provided them with some assurances that Bush couldn’t go blazing into Iraq without adequate diplomacy first… but it’s bullshit. They knew the intelligence was being cherrypicked. They knew damn well they were being called to put up or shut up – vote against it and possibly face short-term blowback, or vote for it and face long-term shame. I will always respect those who voted against it because thye knew it would give this President license to wreak havoc as he desired.

Next in line for respect is those members of Congress who voted for it but recanted/showed remorse long ago. Perhaps they were somewhat duped, perhaps they just bowed to the political pressure of the day. At least they denounced Bush’s actions and expressed sincere regret that they played a hand in enabling this President on his horrible pre-meditated war.

I really have a hard time with people like HRC who want us to just let byegones be byegones… fuhgeddaboutit and listen to them carefully chastise the President’s policies today while straddling the fence to not “appear anti-war”. Any encroaching on an epiphany now is just pandering, and I find it insulting to the voters.

None – I still blame the boot licking heel of the lifeguard Wordpress state, it’s more fun.

Thank you so much, Jane. You’re an entrepeneur in the very best sense, and a great writer to boot. We’re so proud of you. You’ve taken blogging to a new level. You’ve made a home for talent and given us all so much. You are wonderful.

dab_from_CT @ 198

Mad Dogs @120

I would love to share it but don’t know how to create a link to an email.

I’m going to see if it’s on the internet somewhere so I can snag a link.

I think I saw the photos you are talking about on BagNewsNotes a while back. They are absolutely compelling shots. And while I’m here, Thank you, thank you, thank you FireDogLake.

Rayne @
201

OT – but worth it, about effing time.

HUGE: Senate Dems move to REVOKE war authorization!

EZWriter once again has WaPo’s story before it hits the public. [One of these days we are going to have to corner EZ and ask a few questions about timing…like exactly how long does it take a story written by a journalist (let’s say like Novak) to get from submission by the journalist (let’s say 11-JUL-2003) to the actual point of publication. Hmm.]

In my opinion they don’t even need to REVOKE it…since the Resolution never authorized the use of the Military in the manner that Bush is using it.

The Resolution allowed Bush to use troops to compel Saddam to comply with UN Securuty Council Resolutions.

But their current use in a Civil War and nation building goes far beyond that mandate.

All Congress really needs to do is state the resolution again, point out that Bush is exceeding that, and needs to return to Congress to obtain expanded mandate…otherwise he’s in violation of the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution.

Plame House should be preserved and the rooms reconstituted as a display in the Smithsonian Institution. The rebirth of the Free Press from humble beginnings.

In fact I liked the resonant image that in Plame House you had bare light bulbs shining above your heads –although it must have been painful in person.

Next time you guys should wear sunglasses and leather pantsuits like mid-air kicking Trinity from The Matrix.

Eli @
136

Alicia @ 133

I still love Gore. I’m hoping he’s just biding his time and letting the field sort itself out. . . . I just can’t think of anyone half-way as qualified. . . .

. . .Only thing I can think of is that there’s a dark horse he likes, and he’s waiting to see if they can make a move.

Or maybe he’s made a deal with the Clintons. I have a suspicion that one of Hillary’s major objectives last year was to make sure that Gore does NOT get into the race. I don’t know what they promised him, if they did, but it must have been something big.

Then again, maybe Gore just likes being able to speak his mind without worrying at every turn how each word will affect 10,000,000 voters.

Meanwhile, we gotta keep Plame House going, even if it does need to be moved to another Court District. I’m due for another contribution!

Bob in HI

bg @
138

I am not personally fond of Richardson. But I think he may be the surprise in this race.

He has no baggage from the Iraq vote. He has more foreign policy experience than any of the others, and W is leaving the foreign policy house in a total effin’ shambles. Voters are not really gonna be happy about that, regardless of what is on the radar today.

I saw him on C-SPAN tonight, giving his State of the State address in NM. He looked relaxed, rolled with the unexpected, spoke some sentences in Spanish (MUCH more fluent than Bushie’s pretend-Spanish). He’s OK; We could do a lot worse. Come to think of it, we ARE doing a lot worse.

Here’s another dark horse for you: Sen. Dodd. I know he’s not leftie enough for most firepups, but he is actually talking seriously about defending the Constitution when no one else in Washington seems to care. My big fear is that a lot of Democrats WANT to see a more powerful presidency, because they think they can win it all in 2008, and then THEY will have more power. Well, I like Democracy more than a Kingdom, even if the King (or Queen Hillary) is a Democrat. I want the balance of powers and the checks and balances restored!

Bob in HI

I am a Canuckistani.

I lived in the States through the (relatively) good times (ie. the 90’s).

Then I moved back to the Great White North and watched with despair, from afar, as America collapsed.

And I must say, that what I have seen, read, watched, learned and listened to here at FDL over the course of this trial has demonstrated to me that American exceptionalism does, indeed, still exist.

Thanks so much everyone.

.

bonkers @
220

Have there been any rumors about Pelosi seeking the Presidency someday? Obviously, she’s already as close as any woman has ever been, but I wonder if she would ever campaign for it.

Hillary is just atrocious (although if she’s the nominee I’ll vote for her), and Pelosi has been wonderful so far!…

How can you say that when she’s taken impeachment off the table? Recant! Recant!

Bob in HI

Eli @ 43

JGabriel @ 38

Eli @ 3: “Did I read right that PhD jurors were the *defense’s* idea? How does that jibe with an arm-waving, smoke-blowing, confuse-the-jury defense?”

PhD’s in the sciences used to lean, by a slight margin, towards the Republican party.

I don’t know if that’s still the case, somehow I doubt it, but it may have been the thinking behind the defense wanting them on the jury, *if* that’s what happened.

I guess that could be it, but if I were them, I’d be looking for indecisive, easily confused people who are distracted by shiny objects.

You rang?

wtlloyd @ 18

So, what’s next? There’s a real momentum starting here….possible to find more bloggers with expertise on defense spending, healthcare administration, constitutional law, who could blog future committee hearings and diagram the political ebb and flow for us lefties?

Sure wish some folks would address the war profiteering beyond Halliburton (though not excluding them), the blood for oil realities that are coming to fruition with the new Iraqi oil laws being passed, and the permanent bases to protect the big oil companies.

In response to #18 comment:

Sure wish some folks would address the war profiteering beyond Halliburton (though not excluding them), the blood for oil realities that are coming to fruition with the new Iraqi oil laws being passed, and the permanent bases to protect the big oil companies.

Thanks sooo much for your excellent coverage. I I especially liked the politicstv coverage. It’s good to be able to attach a face sometimes to what one’s reading (and some nice faces they are! :) ). Keep up the good work/fight.

What a delight it’s been to view the video clips explaining the days dealings in court. Sheesh, I almost wish it would go on a little longer just to be able to see you smart, amazing women talk w/us about the day (since the mainstream media refuses to report this event the way it should be as in “front page news”….sorry bastards).

You are the groundbreakers in reporting real news to the people interested enough to find it, and I’m not so sure we would have won this last election without the bloggosphere and people like you leading the way. In fact, I’m sure we would have not have.

Thanks for you efforts to get our country back!

Laurie from Texas (don’t hold it against me)

Your coverage and commentary have been brilliant. Your brand of reporting is vital to offset the non-journalism that we have been subjected to by the MSM during this administration. Thank you SO much for showing them how it’s done!

P.S. I PROMISE that I’ll send $$ as soon as I get a new job (After 17 years I got laid off a few months ago and am struggling to find anything in my field).

Montag @ 61, she’s in the House. My preference at this moment. She hasn’t sold her soul for the Speaker’s job; just worked hard to deserve it.

NewsClues @ 175, I’ve read that Richardson has the Arnold problem.

All the leading candidates who are flashy today will not be so much months from now. Love the way Democrats beat each other up making the Republics’ job so much easier. I won’t like voting for mud-slingers.

The video blogs are really great, both the end of the day recap during Libby trial and this one, Plame House. I hope you continue to find ways to incorporate these into FDL. Get the techies working on a multi-site video, say from Middletown CT and Michigan and/or MA for the FDL regulars. There’s nothing like having a face to put to a name. Can you answer this question, who wins the Oscar for the best produced blog? I’ll give you a hint: JH.

It was my pleasure to make a contribution to you fabulous women. You are all doing an amazing job keeping us informed. Onward Citizen Journalists! Thank you, thank you, thank you!