
Court has finished for the day. And what an experience it has been of watching the arguments and counter-arguments, the objections and arguments thereon. The case has gone to the jury, and it is now in their hands to decide the fate of I. Lewis Libby. And now?
We wait.
I have waited for my share of juries in my lifetime, both as defense counsel and as an assistant prosecutor. I've waited with my clients, with the families of my clients, and with the families of victims of crimes and the police officers who investigated them. Waiting for a jury is incredibly difficult, for everyone involved in a case. But it is especially tough on the family and friends on both sides who know the defendant and/or the victim, because for them -- whatever the verdict -- it is so personal.
How could it not be, touching on something that has crashed into their lives, whichever side of the trial line they may fall on -- and it can be very, very difficult to simply sit back and wait for the jury to make a decision.
Most of the time, the defendant waits either at home or at the offices of his/her attorneys. The prosecutors wait at their offices in the courthouse, sometimes along with the family of the victim (if you are dealing with something like a murder case) and almost always with the investigating officers who were involved in the case. You wait through lunch. You wait through dinner. You wait sleeplessly until morning, and then through breakfast. And you keep on waiting until your phone rings and someone at the judge's office tells you that the jury is back...and then you wait a little more to find out what the fate of your case will be.
Something that you should all know: when the jury does come back with a verdict, we will find out quite a bit in advance that they have reached one. The judge and his staff will notify the lawyers that a verdict has been reached, and they will be given time, along with the press and the public, to return to the courthouse -- usually an hour and sometimes two, depending on the court's habit and practice. So, just because we hear a verdict is reached, it may still be a while -- as in more than an hour -- before we learn what that verdict is.
Once everyone is back at the courthouse, Judge Walton will enter the courtroom and then he will be followed shortly thereafter by the members of the jury. The Judge will ask them on the record if they have reached a verdict, they will say yes, and they will then pass their written verdict form to the judge through a bailiff. The judge will read the verdict to himself, pass it back to the bailiff, and it will be returned to the jury's foreperson -- who will then read the jury's decision on each count individually, running in order as they were indicted initially by the grand jury.
The whole time, just about everyone in the courtroom will have been holding their breath. At least, that is what it always feels like anyway.
But to get to that point, there is an awful lot of waiting. Some juries take only a few hours to render a verdict. I have had to deal with one that deliberated for over a week. Some juries are quick, some are slow -- and you can never tell going into a case and a deliberation period what you are going to have to deal with on the waiting end of things.
So, I'm going to pass along a few of the ways that I've learned to keep myself busy in the meantime -- or shake out the nerves in the privacy of my own home -- while the jury is sifting through the evidence, the testimony and the law.
-- Find some things to read that have nothing whatsoever to do with anything serious. For me, it's always been a pile of gardening magazines or gardening/landscaping books, or books about decorating the house. Or pretty much any fiction -- especially some genre fiction that can transport me into a whole other way of thinking while I wait. Some of my favorite series, luckily, have new books out at the moment (or newish ones if you, like me, haven't gotten close to your "to read" pile in weeks), and I've been saving them up for this verdict week. If you haven't read any David Coe or any George R.R. Martin, it's a good time to introduce yourself to their work -- if you happen to be an SFF reader who likes great characterization and interesting plots in fantasy novels. Great stuff. (Full disclosure here: David Coe is a dear, dear friend of mine, who happens to be one of the most amazing writers that I know. And I did an interview of George Martin a few years ago for a British SFF magazine, and I adore his writing. But I wanted you guys to know up front that I have a personal connection with both of them -- as well as loving their writing styles. I would die happy if I could ever write even half as well as George does on a bad day.) If you have a favorite fiction book that you've been reading lately -- something that you think would make for some great escapist reading while you hit the refresh button waiting for a verdict, please share your suggestions in the comments.
-- Put on some great music -- soothing, new age, kick ass metal, whatever makes you happy at the moment. Dance around the room, and shake out the nerves and the accumulated funk. Of course, this comes with the caveat of "don't try this at the office," unless of course you work at a really open and fun place. Or your boss had a five martini lunch.
-- Pull out a favorite cookbook and make a whole dinner from scratch. Nourish yourself and your family, make something wonderful and have fun as you cook it for the folks that you love -- including for yourself. Go on, you deserve something wonderful and yummy, and made with your own two hands.
-- Or, there is always the old stand-by: catch up on all that work that's been piling up while you've been dealing with the trial. I used to always walk back into my office and find a huge pile in the in-box. Blech. It's not fun, but it is at least productive.
-- Watch some movies. The sillier, the better, in my opinion -- I tend to go for a goofy comedy in this sort of situation. Lots of Monty Python in my practice days. If you have some great fun movies -- or some really diverting tv series (Buffy comes to mind for me -- snark galore.) - please share your favorites in the comments.
How do you handle a long wait? Any suggestions of a good book, a great magazine article, a fun blog or website, some relaxing music, your favorite recipe? Anything at all -- do share in the comments.
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Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work feeding us hungry masses. I am holding my breath…
fitz!
Justice!!
I told my children there would be a lot of times in their lives when they would just have to wait for something important, so they might as well start practicing how to wait patiently.
Christy!
I like to listen to a little Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
No verdict yet? It’s been what, half an hour?[/SARCASM]
I’m not much into fantasy novels, Christy, but it looks like I have a couple authors to try.
Anyway, I have a whole bunch of things I should be doing. Guess I’ll check in later.
put on some Tom Waits.
Petty, “The Waiting is the hardest part” or the Stones. “I am Waiting ting ting. . .”
Christy! Can’t we just read you all day? Your words are so beautiful and calming!
Handling a long wait. Not so good at this. I try to remind myself that until the high-tech age, everybody had to wait all the time for everything. Mail took forever, even when trains came along. Travel took forever. When people came to visit, they frequently stayed for weeks, because travel was so difficult…and took forever. In our instantaneous-response universe, it’s hard to remember how slow the pace of human life was until only recently. So I try to remind myself of that fact. And then I can use overdue tasks and long-delayed pleasures (reading, especially, and pulling weeds) to distract myself. Reviving the social life is always good.
It’s official. I’m going to get a dog now so I can name it “Fitz.” I suppose an Irish setter would make sense, but I think a German shepard would be more fitting for the name.
The only dog command I’ll teach it is….
ATTACK!! ATTAAAACKK!! ATTAAAAACCCKKKK!!
For each count that receives a guilty verdict, I recommend one playing of the original Ewok party music from “Return of the Jedi.” (NOT the less fun score from the special edition.)
What is the minimum time it would take a jury to process the questionaire in this case, and do it diligently?
GEORGE RR MARTIN!!! (although I haven’t yet read Feast for Crows, yet).
FITZ!!
Tell us what the girls are going to do in DC while you wait…..DuPont is nice. The Spy Museum? Shop? Its a beautiful day for a walk on the mall. National Cathedral for some quite time? What’s the plan?
Jane, Christy, Marcy: You are blogstars.
Pectopah @ 13
It will take as long as it takes. Chill out. Have a beer.
punaise @ 7
For the next day or so, it’s gonna be…
“Hang on St. Christopher”!
Nice job.
If the weather is nice enough to go for a walk, check out the C&O Canal, which is just west of D.C. You can walk for miles along the old towpath.
heather @ 15
Swing by Walter Reed, I hear it’s all assholes and elbows over there!
Thank you FDL for bringing this trial to the everyday Joe/Joann out there. I’ve been following it from the beginning. And can hardly wait for the verdict.
You have provided an ivaluable service to our country. God bless all of you and your work!
I’m going to wait by making Ferns chicken recipe from Late Night. Sounds great.
punaise @ 7
for no one
EvilDrPuma @ 17
No, seriously. Is it as tedious as applying for a loan, or a straight forward process that takes just minutes or an hour. I realize they need time to discuss the case, but if they are all of the same mind, and get to work on the paper work, does that add a day or two to the process, or is it quick?
Thank you FDL for bringing this trial to the everyday Joe/Joann out there. I’ve been following it from the beginning. And can hardly wait for the verdict.
You have provided an invaluable service to our country. God bless all of you and your work!
bonkers @ 18
“What Are They Building in There?”
I do not wait well. Too high strung.
I think I’ll go wrap my head around a certain Kenworth sitting here with no marker lights.
Chasing down electrical problems will take your mind off of just about anything.
Nail biting, pacing, Hitting the “refresh” over and Over (I know, I know it’s wrong), looking in the fridge again (I know, I know nothing changed in the fridge since last I looked), walked the dog again (I know, I know He knows he was just walked) , I tried to nap again, (I know, I know i’m not really tired). Reread entire transcript and related dairies(I know, I know I almost have them memorized word for word) Well, I guess I’ll start all over again (I know, I know).
Wells’ behavior during the final FitzBlitz (head in hands, not looking up, not objecting to the “outing of NOC” line) sounds dangerously like incompetence. Does his behavior set up the possiblity of appeal on the grounds of incompetent defense (essentially legal malpractice)? Is it possible that Libby and the defense team are simply setting up the possibility of a new trial (after using this one to learn the nature of the government’s case)? If successful, does this not turn Wells (apparent) incompetence into potential genius? His behavior does not “smell right” to me.
Thank you, FDLers, for the most riveting live public event since the Senate Watergate hearings, imho.
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Pectopah @ 24
I am serious. I don’t know. Nobody knows. It will take as long as it takes.
I couldn’t sleep last night, and wound up in the alternate Libby Trial universe known as “Just One Minute”. Those people are certifiably insane over there…
NP
Dexy’s Midnight Runners’ Projected Passion Review
punaise @ 26
It’s definately not a playhouse for the children…
EPU LINK Did Fitz have Ash Wednesday ashes?
Coe book: ordered.
Martin book: ordered.
Wheeler book: ordered. What, you say that can’t possibly count as escapist fantasy? Hm. My fingers slipped.
Well, I don’t know about all of you, but now that this pesky legal proceeding is in the hands of the jury, I can finally move on to the REAL legalities of the live-video-feed-on-every-news-site Anna Nicole story!! ;)
On second thought…the five martini lunch sounds like a fabulous plan!!
We’ve got practice with Waiting . . . and the jury will finish when the jury will finish.
Meanwhile, hug your kid and laugh a lot. It always works for me.
If Scoots is playing any Tom Waits, I would guess it’s…
“Innocent When You Dream.”
I also love George R.R. Martin, I can’t wait for his next one…
Neil Stephenson’s Cryptonomicom is a great read, too, and long enough to take you away for awhile.
“I don’t want to wait in vain” - Bob Marley
God, I hope they find this bastard guilty!
Neil @ 35
If Fitz was going to receive ashes, I would expect him to do it after his courtroom duties are done for the day, just to avoid disruption. But there is no obligation to receive ashes; it’s really a very minor tradition in the Catholic church, even if a popular one.
IO - No. That is not incompetence - not even close - not even the “i” in incompetence.
February 21, 1975: John N. Mitchell, H. R. Haldeman, and John Ehrlichman were sentenced to prison for obstruction of justice in the Watergate investigation.
I’m just sayin’.
Many, many thanks for all of your hard work on this case. I missed Watergate but I didn’t want to miss this. And you have been there every step of the way. Hats off to you for a very thorough and professional job. You’ve shown the media what true investigative journalism is and should be.
I expect to be out of touch by phone and email all of next week. When I expect the jury may come in. So I totally need to let go.
Christy’s remarks hit me - Valerie Plame Wilson is a victim but not THE victim of Scooters lies, at least to the FBI and GJ. Fitz may be a major victim - because his investigation of other crimes was hampered by him.
But the largest victim is all of us - we who who have been told our entire lives to trust our officials - that they may make mistakes but that republicans and democrats alike, our elected officials and their minions are there to protect us and make our government work for the people.
They are our servants and they betrayed us.
That is why I too am waiting anxiously to see that there is some justice left in the USA.
egregious @ 35
Make sure you start with the first book in the series, not the latest.
I’m going to look into Coe myself now.
I may actually be able to do work now.
i remember covering the courts and sharing time with prosecutors and defense lawyers alike while the jury was out. they all described the waiting as a time when their stomachs hung in some kind of nervous suspension — had they hit all the right notes? made all the right points? people’s lives were at stake.
right now, for me, time to get the car washed, do the shopping, get ready for the kids.
You can’t think about anything but the case. So work on your post-trial motions.
Carolyn in Baltimore @ 46
Exactly true, and I’m grateful to Fitz for saying as much in his closing statement.
So what’s up with Anna Nicole? I have missed it all!
Am working online today like every day, but during lunch later the heebie-jeebies of verdict watch will be soothed by reading a book of classic short stories. First one that caught my eye in the Table of Contents- “The Devil & Daniel Webster.” Oh, yeah…
I alternate between fiction and non-fiction. Right now, I am reading Animals in Translation, by Temple Grandin. My son is autistic, and Grandin is also autistic. She works with animals in her profession, and has come to believe that autistic people have similarities with animals which differ from non-autistic people. Fascinating stuff, not only from my perspective, but for anyone who loves animals. I would heartily recommend to anyone who has a pet, or works with animals.
My “bathroom book” is Pride, by William Wharton. It is one of the few of his books I never got to, and is a wonderful exploration of family. His writing is compact, if not entirely Hemingwayesqe, so it works well for the bathroom.
Finally, my favorite escapist book is
The Royal Road to Romance , by Richard Halliburton. Halliburton was a hugely popular writer in the ’20s and ’30s, who “vagabonded” around the world, and wrote about it. Royal Road was his first book, published in 1925. Royal Road gives a real sense of the optimism of America in the period between the end of WWI and the Depression. Halliburton climbs the Matterhorn, sneaks into Gibraltar, hides in the Taj Majal after closing, and so on. It’s just plain fun. Caveat: the attitudes toward other people than American whites is typical of the period.
For a snack, I melt semi-sweet Ghiradelli chocolate chips, stir in blueberries, and refrigerate, for a simple and awesome sweet dessert.
As for Sci Fi,
I’ve read all of this series. Very complicated and hard to follow if you try and read it fast.
http://www.tor.com/jordan/
Pectopah @ 24
It’s not a quetionaire, its called a jury charge….there are verdict forms attached for each count, guilt or not guilty
Wolverine @ 50
“You put your left foot in; you put your left foot out; you put your left foot in, and you shake it all about…”
Jury has to select a foreperson. If they pick someone skilled at moving and controlling a conversation, it can all roll along relatively quickly- if they don’t it can take forever.
Carolyn in Baltimore @ 46
You are probably better off being out of touch. My vast experience tells me there is very little justice. . .here or any goddamn where else.
Ever since my daughter was sick in the mid 90’s, it seems all I do is endless next-of-kin waiting (nowadays with my ailing revolving-door-patient parents). e.g., as I wrote about Sissy:
I read a lot of books.
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As for fiction, I just finished Sinclair Lewis’s “It Can’t Happen Here” about a fascist takeover in the U.S. in 1935/36. It was WAY too close to current events for comfort, but that is why I read it.
Probably not a good recommendation for killing time waiting for the Libby jury to reach a verdict……
Carolyn in Baltimore @ 52
Short version: She died. Everybody else is bickering about who gets the money. You and I are supposed to give a damn.
punaise @ 7
niiiice. listening to him last nite. Punaise, you have great taste in tunes. :)
AnnieW @ 47
Thx. Christy’s Coe link takes you to the first in the series, but the Martin is the latest book which is #4.
Guess I need to go back and order #1. Ooooh, new books!
Just a splash of cold water. In my experience, trials are like “The Twilight Zone” - with 12 jurors striving for unanimity any number of things can happen…including hung-juries, acquittals, split decisions, whatever…
I just saw Jerilynn’s most recent piece on Huffington Post. She has a much more dour view of the proceedings. I don’t want to be a bring-down but folks may want to read her recent postings to get a different viewpoint as to what she thinks is the evidence and how the case was handled. Gird your loins, so to speak.
me expecting plea to be comming in soon…if a plea, must be made soon incase of a quick verdict
if no plea, I would tend to believe they have someone on the jury that will hang their decision
If Libby is foung guilty; Bubble Boy will issue a pardon. Libby has nothing to worry about. The show and pony ride is over. Damn shame that Bush and Cheney were not put under oath when they were debriefed by the prosecutor.
EvilDrPuma @ 42
I bet you are correct: he knew he would have time after jury instructions. That said, I think the good Catholic from Brooklyn and Regis High tends to his spirtual responsibilities with dedication. Marcy…signs o fashes to ashes, dust to dust?
for a diversion into something good, something real, and something quick, i would commend to all “about alice,” calvin trillin’s 78-page homage to his wife, who died (of cancer) on 9/11/01.
dude made me laugh and cry out loud, sometimes at the same time.
rwcole @ 58
Good point. We can’t control for variables like that, though…so it does little good to pretend there’s anything to this except the wait.
Guys, we will know when the verdict comes soon enough. I assumes the blogs will be able to send info out first, then the news wires, then the email alerts, etc.
Then, we can all watch as the jury goes through each count and renders its decision.
My only problem is I dont know how to program my TiVO over the Internet yet for the verdict…
I like to go back to the office and settle some really minor case. Reminds me that whatever the outcome downtown, life goes on.
I call it for the prosecution on some but not all counts.
The trial proceedings were Monday through Thursday.
Will the jury deliberations be Monday through Friday? Or will they get a three-day weekend as during the trial itself?
What Jane, Marcy and Christy can do while waiting:
Go to Mt. Vernon and apologize to the spirits of George and Martha for Bush’s sacriligeous speech last week.
Shopping in Georgetown is just okay. I’d visit some of the museums on the mall. I’d suggest the Holocaust Museum, if you haven’t seen it, but it’s probably too intense for the current circumstances.
EvilDrPuma @ 62
also her body is decaying while the wacko judge in Florida auditions for a TV show….
Not one for book clubs or anything, but I must say:
marcy Wheeler’s Anatomy of Deceit is astoundingly well written, informative, well anotated, clear, to the point and builds an strong case of abuse of power by the Executive branch.
In light of what is freely available in the public domain, I can only imagine what Fitz’ office has in its files.
I like to watch 12 Angry Men, and hope there are alot jurors in that room with the same sense of justice that Henry Fonda’s character had.
if libby is issued a pardon fitz will go public with why he thinks a pardon is not appropriate
the whurlizster is blitzing for a pardon and we have to be indignant
mrJJ @ 67
If Bubble Boy issues a pardon, then Libby can be compelled to testify in other hearings and trials. He’s more of a threat to the Bush regime pardoned than imprisoned.
And Shrub certainly won’t pardon him to reward his loyalty. Loyalty is a one-way street.
Carolyn in Baltimore @ 46
Fitz did get some high profile crooks in Illinois during this investigation. He took a “money for driver’s license” scheme all the way up to the governor’s doorstep.
Fitz knows law.
bonkers @ 77
in 12 angry men one of the jurors presented evidence that wasn’t admitted through trial (knife)
It is clear that Libby is guilty as hell and I am confident that the jury will find him guilty on all counts. President Bush will pardon him in the last few minutes of his presidency. Libby’s job is to raise the necessary cash from his Conservative friends and stay out of jail during his appeal. My guess he will do that and will be pardoned before he spends one day in jail. All that is OK because we now know that the VP was neck deep in all this and that we went to war because the chicken hawk NeoCons wanted it. Did any of their family serve?
ok, back to work…hopefully by the time I get back the plea will be made and on every news station across my world of fanstasy
Bustednuckles @ 55
I started this series, and finally ran out of steam. I get tired of authors who refuse to abandon their painstakingly constructed worlds and move on. It’s one of the reasons I love Gene Wolfe; he’s never taken a series beyond four books. Contrast that with Jordan, now up to twelve volumes for the Wheel of Time series, or Ann McCaffrey with twelve volumes for the Dragonrider series.
Love the Martin Ice & Fire series and bought the audiobooks as an incentive to get my Martin fix during long walks. He’s helped me shed some pounds. :)
On Christy’s recommend, will try Coe.
And lovers of history, high adventure, and great writing should try Dorothy Dunnett’s two superb series, The Lymond Chronicles and The House of Niccolo. I reread both of them every couple of years. Yeah, they’re that good.
Interested Observer @ 29
A jury trial is hard on an attorney, not just emotionally, but physically. I used to go into the gym a few weeks before one would start - I found that it helped a lot. Maybe, after Wells was finished, he just crashed (a bit prematurely, but still).
More likely though, I think he was trying to send a subliminal message to the jury of the massive injustice that looms for his client should the jury not do their job correctly (from his perspective). Kind of like - “even the thought that you may be giving credence to Fitz’s argument is simply too much for me to bear”.
‘Course, he could also have been thinking - “boy, did I screw *that* up”.
Nah.
Christy - what’s next w/ Plame house?
I asked this in the last thread, and if it was replied to and I missed it my apologies:
Will all our intrepid FDL reporters be waiting in the Plamehouse for the verdict? Just one or two? Christy, Jane, or Marcy? Combo thereof? :o)
perris @ 78
The reasons why a pardon doesn’t necessarily help the bastards have been rehashed here often enough that I get a little bored when somebody new comes out with the standard “if he’s convicted, Bush pardons him and we lose everything” line. Glad to see you add something new to the process…the Fitz Pardon Rebuttal isn’t something I’d thought about.
Pectopah @ 24
They’ll be done when they are done and not before.
The second jury trial I ever did was a simple left-hand turn car accident. I had the lady turning left and getting broadsided by the oncoming speeding motorhead (a mechanic at a car dealership, testing out a new car). It wasn’t even over the injuries - that had been concluded a long time prior. Rather, it was over the damage to the then-new car - my client’s coverage (on her grey-primered ‘71 Impala) wasn’t big enough to cover that accordion-totaled ‘83 Dodge, so they were coming after her personally.
The trial lasted from about 10 am until shortly after noon.
The jury (6 jurors) was out for the next two and one-half days. Sitting in the courtroom, you could hear them, behind two heavy, closed doors, arguing their brains out (though we couldn’t make out what they were saying, just screaming volume and intensity). At lunch in the courthouse cafeteria, four of them would be sitting at one table, and two at another. Both sides would be glaring at the other.
Ultimately, Friday, after a last government-paid lunch, they came back with what was clearly a “compromise” 5-1 verdict that my lady was 51% at fault (5/6 is OK in civil cases in my state). Which we counted as a victory; it got me lunch or something besides a pat on the back from the senior partner. Anything less than 100% liablity for the lady turning left was counted as a victory. Moreover, I got to bill all the time I sat in the courthouse waiting, drinking coffee, reading newspapers, reorganizing my files, and shooting the bull about baseball, politics, you name it, with all the lawyers I met, and generally killing time. I for one have never been able to drive my attention to another case while waiting on a jury.
Another time, I was third-chair on a 2 month plaintiff’s PI case. The jury was out for eight and one half days on that one. But that’s a case worthy of a book in itself.
Also, will the “e-mail” thingy on FDL cut me an e-mail with a post when the verdict comes in? We need an e-mail tree…
Shooter: unindicted co-conspirator
W: uninspired coked deciderer
BobbyG @
60
Thanks for that, I’m in a similar fix as we speak.
I’d go read Froomkin…. but he’s not up yet. Froomkin, where are you?
Citizenspook applauds Firedoglake and takes a big swing at Jeralyn Merrit accusing her of being a mole for the Bush cabal.
He also discusses Fitz use of the phrase “Time of War” from the live blogging of his closing argument. CS thinks Fitz might go for the death penalty in future prosectuions of Bush cabal.
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com
bonkers @
34
He never has visitors, but he gets a lot of mail.
We actually had a dog named ‘Fitz’. She was named after F Scott Fitzgerald, tho, and was a couch lovin’ Basset Hound. Sad eyes. Stubborn, alpha dog.
Fitz, yeah, good name for a dog.
Go team FDL. Go team Fitz. Do I have time for a shower before the verdict comes in?
OT
Big Lie Alert!
The Gray Lady is treating us to another installment of that long-running Big Lie blaming a single gunman for the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02.....ref=slogin
You see, the bullet holes in the back of JFK’s shirt and jacket are 3 inches below the wound location required by the Single Bullet Theory, which is the foundation of the Lone Assassin Scenario.
According to Posner, new footage shows JFK’s jacket to be “bunched up.”
This is a non sequitur:
1) The Single Bullet Theory requires JFK’s shirt and jacket to have “bunched up” 3 inches each in tandem.
2) Footage taken 90 seconds before the killing shows fabric folds in the top of the jacket.
3) Therefore, JFK’s clothing was elevated 3 inches at the time of the shooting.
If you enlarge the following, note the white
band at the base of JFK’s neck (he’s the figure in the car right under the “Stemmons” sign.)
http://www.geocities.com/quane....._Large.jpg
Is it even remotely possible for JFK’s jacket collar to ride in a normal position at the base of his neck if there were 6 inches of “bunched up” clothing fabric in the same location at the base of his neck?
Can disparate, solid objects occupy the same physical space at the same time?
No, that’s why we have car wrecks.
The NY Times has always pimped this Big Lie — the Mother of All Big Lies.
Nora Ephron is right — we need to get this Kennedy thing straight.
PunchPrincess @ 96
At least one. In fact, we insist.
why are my comments not showing up
The Pardon issue is a part of the game here.
One way of measuring the success of this trial is whether it forces Bush to pardon early.
Best case scenario is:
Libby convicted
Fitz announces conspiracy indictment
Libby indicates he’s ready to roll
Bush pardons to save his own ass and takes the heat for it.
Something good to read and get you mind off the trial?
Get yourself “Outlander”, by Diana Gabaldon. And then get yourself the rest of the Outlander series - you won’t regret it and the story will take you away.
I’ll tell you what;
if fitz gets some guilty verdicts I am hoping he has a speech prepared as to the prospect of a pardon and why it will devastate national security
I would love to see him go on the offensive before then whurlitzer winds up it’s mighty whurlitzer thingy
litigatormom @ 74
I agree–too too intense. However on a recent trip I was struck by how quickly (a matter of weeks) Hitler came to power, and then consolodated power. It reminded me of how precious our democracy is and how it seems Cheney/Bush flirted with aspects of facism in the days and months following 9/11.
Citizenspoo..k has given FDL respect for the liveblogging but he thinks Jeralyn is a Bush mole
and he was right about Fitz saying “time of war” under espionage act, Fitz signalled in closing “time of war”
my comments with the Citizenspoo..k links are being removed
why?
He’s hiding something from
The rest of us…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5t603n7j04
I hope Libby is shaving his head and buying adult diapers for an OJ/Jennifer Wilbanks s