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One of my favorite posts from FDL's trial commentary was Pachacutec's Who's Your Daddy. He wrote:
A trial is a complex thing. There's all the evidence, rules of evidence, legal stuff and rules for jury deliberations, but anyone who has interviewed jurors after a trial (and I have) knows that it's often the unpredictable elements, the very human elements, jurors hang on to and remember. As I watched opening statements this week from inside the courtroom, as preoccupied as I was with taking notes of the competing arguments, I was also most attentive to the ebb and flow of human energy, the little looks and asides, the personalities and the dynamics of people and perceptions, as best I could read them, drawing on my experience and my doctorate in psych. I want to share a little of what it was like to be in the courtroom, through my perceptions of how the players came across.
Here's the thing: in my view, the three dominant personalities in the room – Pat Fitzgerald, Reggie Walton and Ted Wells – are all engaged in a complex game of "who's your daddy?," both among themselves and, perhaps most especially, for the jury and the media. Think of it as an alpha male American Idol for the jury and the public, where the ultimate prize is the jurors' trust and confidence, with public perception a very close second.
I love the post partly because I always find Pach's insights into human dynamics so fascinating. But also because it really did describe what was going on in the courtroom in early days–a battle to see whether Wells could take over the courtroom, Fitzgerald could stop him, or Reggie Walton could find enough Solomonic decisions to keep the trial moving forward, however ploddingly.
Yesterday's close was about many things. But most of all, it seemed to be the resolution of all these tensions in an unexpected way.
Only it all got started by someone who never figured in these calculations of alpha male dominance. You see, one of the most important moves of the day came when Peter Zeidenberg stood up and said to the jury:
Defense didn't have to give opening statement. On behalf of defense, Wells elected to give opening. He painted different picture, told you about WH conspiracy to scapegoat Libby. Effort to make LIbby into sacrificial lamb so that Karl Rove would go free. You've heard witnesses testify, you've heard witness after witness, you've heard them testify about one or another conversation with Libby about Valerie Wilson during the time period that Libby claimed he had no memory of Wilson's wife. You heard Russert testify, take an oath and say he never spoke to Libby about Wilson's wife. In direct contrast to what Libby claimed. Now did you hear any evidence about a conspiracy to scapegoat Libby? If you draw a blank, it's not because of a problem with your evidence. [It's because the defense never proved their argument that there was a WH conspiracy against Libby.]
It was an important point because the Defense never proved this point–it never brought witnesses like Andy Card and Scottie McClellan and Dan Bartlett and Karl Rove himself they would have needed to prove their point. More importantly, it got under Wells' skin.
You see, this kind of accusation is precisely the kind of thing that would get under an alpha male like Ted Wells' skin–particularly if the accusation rings true. He couldn't let the accusation lie there because it would suggest to the jury that he hadn't proven his larger case. But he couldn't let it lie because it would damage his own ego. So rather than launching right into the prepared closing statements, rather than summoning rage for Scooter Libby, his purportedly aggrieved client, Wells started by summoning his own rage. The most remarkable thing about it was his voice. It was higher pitched than the voice of his rage persona. And he stopped breathing–his voice became pinched and forced. This was real rage, but it was rage in the service of Ted Wells, not rage in the service of Scooter Libby.
By getting under Ted Wells' skin, Zeidenberg managed to do two things. First, he exposed to the jury what Ted Wells looks like when his emotions are real, rather than a schtick adopted in the service of the client. And critically, he goaded the Defense into using 20 minutes of their alloted time defending themselves, rather than Libby. And for the rest of their closing, they were racing to catch up. Wells was flipping through PowerPoint slides just glossing over the content. He announced he was taking time from Jeffress, who apparently looked up with a forced smile to hide his anger. As Wells went over his time, Jeffress more openly seethed. Then he, too, went over his alloted time.
By goading Wells into a response, Zeidenberg sowed real animosity between Libby' defense lawyers, whose each clearly believed only he could save the day (IMO, Jeffress might have been able to do so, but not Wells).
All this came to a head with Wells' last words. You see, Wells really does have a schtick, one that the journalists who have seen him before all recognize. He finishes the rational part of his case. Then he spends the last 20 minutes or so summoning rage for his client. He brings all the emotion summoned for his client to a crescendo. And then he weeps, demonstrating clearly to the jury how deeply he believes that his client has been wronged.
But remember that 20 minutes that Zeidenberg goaded Wells into wasting? Well, it meant that Wells had no time to get into character, and he went immediately from a rushed but rational argument about memory into his emotional appeal.
Don't sacrifice Scooter LIbby for how you may feel [about] war in Iraq or Bush Administration. Treat him the way he deserves to be treated. He worked every day to be NSA for this country. Analyze it fairly. Fight any temptation for your views if you're Democrat whatever party. This is a man who has a wife [and] kid[s]. He's been under my protection for the last month. Just give him back. Give him back to me, give him back.
Followed by an abbreviated choke, a catch of his breath. Without the crescendo, it sounded more like a death rattle than any truly felt emotion. And compared to the real rage Wells had shown earlier in the day, it looked fake. Utterly, completely fake.
Because Wells reacted to Zeidenberg's barbs, he showed the jury true emotion that made all his elaborate schtick–the thing that Wells does best, normally–look like an act.
Which set Fitzgerald up perfectly.
Fitzgerald stood up and, with his voice raised for almost the only time in the trial, yelled,
Madness! Madness! Madness!
Outrageous! [in mock outrage] The govt brought a case [about] 2 phone calls. And they just want you to speculate. [now with quiet, rational voice] The defense wishes that were so. Saying it, Saying it loudly, pounding the table, doesn't change the facts.
Fitzgerald took Wells' mock outrage and mocked it right back. Not only did his judicious (ha! like that word) use of emotion grab the attention of the jury in a way that Wells' sustained faux outrage no longer could. But with just a few words, Fitzgerald managed to belittle the entire argument the Defense had been making.
But Fitzgerald wasn't done with reappropriating Wells' schtick. After doing a number of things with his rebuttal–finally establishing Valerie Wilson as a person, getting weedier than I have ever been, countering Jeffress' "Perry Mason moment" with his own, accusing Cheney of obstructing justice–Fitzgerald returned to his explanation of why obstruction was so important. He wasn't yelling, like Wells had done. Rather, he used the same barely controlled outrage voice he used in the press conference where he announced charges against Libby. His voice cracked, as it had before.
And he flipped Wells' outrage on its head. Rather than Libby as the aggrieved party, he put the American people in the role of aggrieved party. He picked up Wells' language about what Scooter deserved, and asked, "Don't the American people deserve the truth?!?!?!" Then he picked up Wells' language about "giving Scooter back" and flipped that too.
If as a result his wife had a job, she worked at CPD, She gets dragged into newspapers. People want to find out was a law broken when people want to know, who did it. What role did Defendant play. What role did VP play? He told you he may have discussed this with VP. Don't you think FBI desesrves straight answers. When you go in [that] jury room, your commonsense will tell you that he made a gamble. He threw sand in the eyes of the FBI. He stole the truth of the judicial system. You return [a guilty verdict] you give truth back.
It perfectly mirrored Wells' argument: Faux outrage, Real outrage; Libby and his family, Valerie and her life; Give Libby back … or give the truth back.
No better way to put this trial–you can give Libby back, or the American people can have the truth back. Wow.
But never forget–it was all set up when Zeidenberg, not on anyone's radar as the alpha male in this trial, forced Ted Wells to defend himself, rather than defend Scooter Libby.
I'm running out to dinner and packing–but wanted to share this at FDL since a lot of folks at DKos and TNH liked it a lot (and bc I'm talking Pach up). Hope to be in the comments shortly.
Related posts:
- Danger Is Not Doom: The Madness of the 11th Hour
- The Taxpayers Paid Dick Cheney’s Personal Defense Attorney to Obstruct Any Inquiries Into His Crimes
- Cheney’s Lawyer Already Leaked the Content of Cheney’s “Privileged” Interview
- Mikva Spins Fitzgerald’s Spinning Lincoln Right Back
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible





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FITZ
Speaking of seeing the future.
I just feel it. What can I say.
It’s like a disturbance in the Force.
A small softening in the space-time continuum.
marcy!
Thank you Marcy on behalf of a grateful nation. And world. I do not exaggerate.
“…forced Ted Wells to defend himself, rather than defend Scooter Libby.” Are we then left to conclude that Libby had inadequate counsel?
Who came out ahead in the Lab v Kong skirmish?
You guys are too fast for me. Geez..
EW – wrt pet sitting, drop me an e-mail if you’re serious about bringing the pooch. Presume you can grab the e-mail. We’re here this weekend and next. Going out of town March 10 weekend.
If Scooter has been micromanaging, maybe he’s hoping for a guilty verdict, so he can have a good excuse to spill his guts on Cheney w/out taking consequences (cuts a deal beforehand). Is this a stoopid idea?
Thank you Marcy! I’m taking your book to a city meeting tonight, for reading during the waiting there. . .
Theater. Fitz got the Oscar. Wells did not get a nomination.
Being in the courtroom for all this was unreal. Better than any movie could ever, ever be.
Fitz! Emptywheel!
Last night’s Politics TV broadcast was riviting- the most interesting and informative news broadcast I’ve ever seen. I couldn’t help thinking how different things would be if everyone had access to news and analysis of that quality. Bravo to you, emptywheel, and Jane Christy Pach and Jeralyn for an outstanding job.
¡Marcy y Pach en la sala de justicia!
Marcy, you’re on a roll!
You want to do Late Nite tonight?
Marcy, you need to take a break!
Marcy, beaucoup!
Does the appeals process have to play out before the civil trial begins?
punaise @ 15
Oh, excellent!
And the best part of Fitz’s closing is that he did it all on the fly. You can’t rehearse that stuff. And where Wells was fake, Fitz was absolutely, positively real and sincere.
Now that’s a great prosecutor!
Thanks, Marcy, and the whole FDL team for allowing us to be there, too.
Pachacutec @
10
I’m just trying to imagine the next time you get called for jury duty. “So, do you follow the legal system much?”
itwasntme @ 8
I think Jane said it best. Scooter has a humongous great man complex. Thus, he knows better than his lawyers. Always.
I effectively posted this on an earlier thread here, but I cannot believe that Judge Walton didn’t say to Wells something along the lines of “Mr. Wells are you still with us – do you need medical attention?” I am serious, such actions as Wells apparently engaged in are disrespectful to the court, jury and the parties. This is something attorneys simply do not do. Ever. While it certainly does not in any way rise to the level of reversible error in the form of incompetence of counsel, it borders on malpractice. As an attorney in front of a jury, you never, EVER, let them see you sweat or evidence weakness. Never.
Awesome! Fitz and gang, kudos.
Marcy…well incredible.
Here’s hoping we have a Merry Fitzmas!
Thank you all for all of your efforts. You will never know how much your work is appreciated
Zeidenberg just pointed out that the defense was full of shit. Wells had nowhere to go but faux outrage. You can’t really blame Wells for this. The prosecution put on a devastating case. The defense had almost nothing to work with. If you’re going to claim your client made an honest mistake, you really have to put your client on the stand so that he can SAY he made an honest mistake. They couldn’t do that. Their first (and only) character witness got obliterated in less than five minutes of cross-examination, and then the jury asked him if he was ever worried that Libby was too retarded to do his job. They couldn’t prove there was a conspiracy to make Libby the fall guy, either. So they had to go with pure bullshit. And Zeidenberg called them on it. I still think Wells is a great lawyer, but there’s not much you can do when your case is as lousy as his was.
Frank Probst @ 24
Wells went to the well but the well was dry
mc @ 18
“On the fly” doesn’t quite fit. You don’t rehearse in the sense of memorizing the lines you want to deliver, but you definitely prepare. There’s no way Fitz could have pulled that off if he wasn’t “weedier” than Marcy or anyone else in the room.
It was well-worth re-reading.
That description of the interpersonal dynamics during the summations was simply outstanding. Marcy, you done good. REAL good. Thank you so much, and of course all the FDL team too.
Emptywheel, well spoke-n. (best I could do, Punaise’s was clearly superior!)
Tithonia@16 – NO.
Pat Fitzgerald is simply confirming Al Qaeda’s strategy.
-Dick(head) Cheney
S.O.S. in MA @ 28
not once did she get derailed, even when the defense was ‘pedaling’ BS.
I’ll have some more observations of the day in a post I’ll publish tomorrow afternoon, layering over and building on the great work Marcy did with this one. Just FYI.
Fitz is absolutely amazing when it come’s to thinking on his feet. I wonder if he developed the literary allusion while Wells was pouring out his conspiracy theories with faux emoticons!
And he detects the perfect symmetrical bookend to Wells use of “give him back” by showing that Cheney and Libby callously ignored Valerie Plame and what their acts did. I’m a bit surprised that Fitz didn’t point out that VP has two children, twins…but he did a great job pointing out the risks to covert agents that might accrue…even by exposing someone in a classified position…using Libby’s own question to Addington..and then showing that Libby and Cheney didn’t even bother to check. And the information about the instructions regarding Security Clearances are in the evidence for the jury.
So Fitz in a poetic manner actually turned Wells’ argument back on him, inverting it like a sword that is turned back on the attacker.
Brilliant!
Like I said…I wish it was recorded for posterity…but I want to exclaim my gratitude to Marcy, and the rest of the Plame House gang (Swopa!) and Christy, Pach, TRex, and all the others for the great ride! Let’s hope that there will be some more “Mr. Toads Wild Rides” for us in the near-term future!
bmaz @ 21
I commented over at TNH that I think that Wells fell apart from all the stress. Not the trial on its own, but from having to cope with Scooter and his neo-con entourage. IANAL, but I have known some highly charged defense lawyers and I can’t imagine that they would touch a case in which the client is dictating to them how to run the trial. Once the court is convened, they do what they do in terms of actual court room proceedings, no matter what the client thinks.
The only time I have had to deal with lawyers in my personal life is for personal injury situations in car accidents, and even in those cases (which never even got close to trial) my lawyers were really tight-lipped about the meat of their conversations with the other side, and there wasn’t a damn thing I could do about it!
It occurs to me I haven’t ever said a proper thanks to you all @ FDL for going above & beyond to bring us the Libby trial coverage.
For all the hard work, long hours, & everything else that’s unmentioned because unknown, a profound thanks. Anatomy of Deceit has circulated through the ranks around here- just ordered ‘nother copy for a friend…
Gawd, I think I love you, Marcy!
professional question to the lawyers;
is the prosecution allowed to point out the mottos operendi of oposing council?
is fitz allowed to say;
the esteemed council from the defense will often summon tears for their close, they did it in bla vs blah and gee vs ghea, now they’re at it again”
is this allowed?
I would love Madness! Madness! Madness! on a T-shirt.
Marcy, can you clarify Wells’ demeanor for us? When you described him as having his head in his hands, I imagined him with his chin on his palm, looking stoic and impassive. Other people seem to have interpreted it as him with his face in his palms, so that his head was down and his entire face was covered. Was he really doing this?
Frank Probst @ 24
I am wondering about that Murray Waas story re lawyerly friends of Scooter urging him to try to cut a deal with Fitz. I wonder if Wells was of that perspective as well.
itwasntme @ 8
Not stoopid, but since Scoots seems to have been Deadeye’s lil’ buddy for the last 30 some years, I’m still of the opinion that he considers his life’s duty to take a bullet for Deadeye.
IOW, Deadeye is Scoot’s reason for living.
punaise @ 31
(bows, kisses Punaise’s ring) (just the ring) :)
S.O.S. in MA – :~)
Led Zeidenberg
heh
oceanbreeze @ 38
if fitz gets a conviction, that WILL be part of my wardrobe
egregious @ 1
Ok the best way I can describe it is like you have a grid of 12×12 little seedling plants. You are looking them over. And something is a little wrong with one, the soil level drops a little. And you know the universe is changing. Sorry I cant be more specific.
From my psychotherapy training: everything you do is in service to your client. It is a betrayal to do less than that. So, part of your job is to do your own work on yourself, outside of the client sessions, so that your own stuff doesn’t steal away your service. I am astounded that someone with Wells’ pedigree lost this fundamental.
Madness? We have Iraq, Iran, Palestine-Israel, Bush and Cheney.
AP – Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday harshly criticized the Iraq strategy advocated by Democratic leaders in Congress, saying their approach would “validate the al-Qaida strategy.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi fired back that Cheney’s remarks were out of bounds.
And Cheney said yesterday that the British pull-out from Iraq represents real progress in Iraq.
Was Wells wearing adult diapers?
-GSD
Fitz is a godsend! And Marcy is a hero! Yay FDL!
Perris @37 – Probably inappropriate to say what Wells’ past is, you would phrase it in terms of “It’s an old lawyers staple to..(fill in the blank with Wells conduct). You accomplish the same thing; and, yes, its done all the time.
Re Wells and the other attorneys: An attorney called Labdancer has written a very interesting comment in the last thread.
ew — did you mean “getting weedier than I have ever seen”?
Thanks, bmaz @ 29. So does that mean the civil trial will begin when this trial is over? What happens if further criminal charges are brought?
Wells couldn’t pick his head up because he knows he not only just lost Scoots, but he lost Cheney too, and possibly the boy plunder.
What an historic, incredible, outrageous accomplishment, FDL. Thank you for your great gift to our republic.
Keep the faith, babes.
Tithonia @ 16
IANAL, but I believe that the answer is no. Two separate thingies as far the Courts are concerned.
Now it may also be the case that Joe and Valerie Wilson’s civil case gets dragged out ad nauseum by the
miscreantsdefendants.If I remember correctly, one of the lawyers commenting here intimated that the typical Federal white-collar appeal is decided in a year or less, and it seems to be my recollection that civil cases are generally long in arrival on the docket because the civil courts are overwhelmed with them.
And lastly, it seems to be my recollection that there has yet to be a civil court decision on whether to even allow the Wilsons to proceed with a civil suit.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
No; we are left to conclude that Libby’s counsel performed inadequately. Big, big difference.
Oklahoma kiddo @
4
Boy howdy, it sure would appear so, wouldn’t it? What Wells lacked in focus toward defending his client, he sure made up for it with an actor’s bluster, hey? At any point during Wells’ close, was it evident that Libby was slinking in his chair?
Stellar stuff, Marcy, Pach, Jane, et al. Thank you so much!
Marcy,
On you on your way back to AA?
When is the book signing?
And where?
Looking at Olbermann. The Veep and his “boss” have ‘lost it’.
Well I have to the little $$.07 I sent to support the trial coverage by FDL was certainly money well spent. I’ve never experienced anything like it. It seems like a journalistic watershed of some sort to me.
punaise @
25
The Wells had been Libby-rated.
I enjoyed this when I read it first at TNH, and left a comment there saying so. I also read a great comment from P Lukasiak on it that I am going to copy here as I think it is well worth pointing out.
“I was surprised at Wells’ response, because he’s obviously lost it. The proper response to Zeidenberg’s provocations would have been….
Mr. Zeidenberg spent a considerable amount of time talking about the case the defense didn’t present. There was a reason for that — the burden of proof lies with the prosecution, and as far as we were concerned, Mr. Fitzgerald and his associates never met that burden. Thus, while they took up three weeks to present a dozen witnesses with faulty memories, the defense rested after rebutting a fairly obviously point which appears to be the basis of the prosecution’s case. We brought a series of prominent journalists that discussed the issue of the “sixteen words” with Mr Libby, none of whom were told by Mr. Libby about Valerie Plame…. The prosecution failed to make their case, and the defense decided not to waste your time presenting a series of witnesses that would show that Mr. Libby was being scapegoated by certain individuals with whom he worked.”
THAT would have been impressive — telling the jury that they didn’t present the evidence because they were confident that the prosecution had failed — and have put TeamFitz on the defensive for even bringing up the whole “scapegoat libby” opening statement…”
Posted by: p.lukasiak February 21, 2007 at 16:16 The Next Hurrah
I think he shows exactly why the tact Wells took was a bad one and how it could have been turned around instead and used to undercut the prosecution. I thought it was a brilliant observation when I first read it, and the fact I am copying it here should underscore that. I hope I am not breaking any rules by doing this, if I am please let me know for future reference.
There is not appellate court anywhere in the land that could possibly be convinced Libby lacked adequate counsel. Jes’ sayin’.
egregious @ 46
Yup EG, we are definitely standing on a cusp. As I said in my comment downthread,
Pachacutec @ 65
Agreed.
I think I heard this right, did Nina Totenberg on NPR use the term Madness to describe the Defense stand? That’s just irreverent to use Fitzgerald’s word. That infuriates me.
Monumental effort you guys put in on this exceptionally difficult case, difficult in terms of complexity.
What does weedier mean?
Tithonia @54 – as mad Ogs@57 said, no the two cases are totally separate. As far as the Wilson’s case is concerned, it appears to me that they certainly have enough to go forward i.e. make it past summary judgment; but it will be a difficult case to litigate and will clearly be fought tooth and nail.
Marcy, you’re the best! Show the rest of ‘em how it’s done, lady!
I saw this post of yours earlier over at dKos, and read it there, enjoying every line thoroughly.
And now that it’s up at the Lake, I read the whole thing all over again for the sheer enjoyment of it. This time I read it aloud to Mr. K8 who just got home and wanted to hear all the juicy details — he tips his hat to you, too!
BTW, I want to highlight the wonderful suggestion from both Bobby G and Frank Probst in the last thread. Here it is in Frank’s words, although both had the same idea:
That’s just beautiful, isn’t it? I would so LOVE IT if Fitzgerald would really say exactly that. The “reporters” in the WH Press Corpse would just have fits (Fitz fits!!!).
Its been a historical event no matter which way the verdict goes.I certainly hope the bruised ego’s of those MSM types take a long time to heal.
I also hope to see this pursued all the way up the chain.
Thank you to everyone involved.
Mad Dogs at 66 I wonder how long I can hold my breath? *g*
How long can you tread water?
I have noticed a reluctance of lawyers to speak ‘evil’ of other lawyers outside the court room anyway. This of course includes judges. Perhaps I am wrong on this.
egregious @ 1
Egregious – I am totally comfortable with you seeing the future, but is what you’re seeing re: this trial good or bad? Or are you seeing more of a big picture?
It’s amazing how well served FDL readers have been by this trial coverage. I have been riveted by this. There has been nothing like it before, and we are privileged to have witnessed it. More PlameHouse bucks on the way soon…
oregondave @
53
IANEW, but I believe she was saying that Fitzgerald took off into the weeds — he brought up subjects in his closing that were outside the four corners of the indictment, by talking about the consequences of outing a NOC.
In any case, without Wells protesting, it seemed that he was able to make a very strong point, but it likely should have been objected to.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 61
It may be more true that they never had it!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
I’m so effing sick of this crap from BushCo. The Dems should just do the same thing – everything out of Bush/Cheney/Lieberman’s mouth should be characterized as being “just what Al Qaeda or Osama want.” They have gotten away with this manipulation for six years. Enough is enough.
Pachacutec@65 and Evil DrPuma@67 – I also agree. There is a BIG difference between reversible error by incompetence of counsel and simply lame lawyering. Wells is guilty of the latter; not the former.
egregious @ 74
Aha! You had that sixties Bill Cosby album too? That’s God’s line — and what convinces Noah to actually build that ark.
Tee hee. It’s one of Mr. K8’s favorite lines, pulled out as black humor for any bleak situation — and it never fails to make us both laugh like mad!
GSD @ 49
Probably not, since he wasn’t driving to Florida!
Bustednuckles @ 73
All hail Busted, master of the most important Fitz comment to begin an FDL thread. When Fitzgerald himself was making his closing statement.
Marcy has referred to her obsession with the minutae of this case as being “deep in the weeds.” Up above, she’s saying that Fitz went even deeper into the weeds than she ever was, which is saying a lot.
Excellent post, emptywheel. It was like actually being there.
I think Marcy uses the term “going off in to the deep weeds” to describe the pursuit of arcane wonky tangents in the Plame case.
Mrs K8 at 82—Aha! You had that sixties Bill Cosby album too? That’s God’s line — and what convinces Noah to actually build that ark.
Yeah well God’s lines have provoked me to do a great many things I might not have otherwise.
Would have been much easier for me if I didn’t believe in God. But I do, and try to obey when He sends me into harms way.
egregious @ 74
Definitely longer than I can hold my breath. Have breath, will tread!
the Madness of King George
Labdancer has a fascinating EPU’d post linked to by Woodhall Hollow at 52. He or she makes several interesting points; one of which I’ve excerpted here:
Could Libby have gotten too smart for himself by choosing Wells because he plays well to the typical DC jury and then using Cheney as a possible witness to weed out the typical jurors, resulting in a non-typical jury, which doesn’t lend itself to Wells’ emotional strengths?
Thad Beier @ 78
One of the prosecution’s CIA witnesses explained that he recalled the Libby conversations regarding Plame because he realized the dangers that exposing an agent might cause. “People could be killed” he said. That evidence is in the record and Fitz could refer to it. It’s not clear how far he could go in implying knowledge of Plame’s specific status by Libby, and then linking that to the CIA guy’s statements. It was an ambiguous moment, and we don’t have a transcript. What is clear is that defense did not want the jury to make these connections, at least not without some limiting instruction from the judge about how this information could or could not be considered.
Pach says it’s a competition among alpha males in the courtroom — but, just judging from my tv impression of him during the news conference last year — I don’t get an “alpha male” quality off of Fitzgerald.
Not at all.
“Madness madness madness!”
“Give the truth back!”
Fitz
That’s gonna be my t-shirt
Thank you all.
It has been illuminating
to follow and learn from, your contributions.
ohioblue @ 76
I can’t say Good v Bad. Just that it is very important. Much depends on the outcome.
Peterr @ 85
Ah. Thanks. That makes sense. And, approaching the ultimate compliment to Fitz, considering the source.
bmaz @ 71
Yup, civil trials have much more resemblance to a WWF free-for-all.
BTW, I kinda like the typo you made of my handle: mad Ogs
I may have to change to that. *g*
Peterr @ 85
Thanks Peterr. Been making me crazy for awhile.
Mrs. K8 @
82
Another line comes to mind from that album after Noah receives instructions about building the ark and asks this question: “Lord, what’s a cubit?”
egregious at 95 – Yes, I agree. Much does depend on the outcome.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
Tis oh-so-true! Ya never know if the lawyer you diss’d is gonna become the judge on your next case.
Slothrop @ 93
I do. I believe it’s in the beholder’s eye.
cinnamonape 33
Samurai Fitz
egregious @ 88
You are right — that’s what faith IS.
And I also love that album, Bill Cosby’s famous routine on Noah, not wanting at first to build that ark — but God’s ultimate question, “so…how long can you tread water?” pushing him to final agreement. That question was a very popular “line” people recited to each other during the mid-sixties, always evoking a laugh during dark times — kind of like the way people on the blogs recite lines from The Princess Bride to capture the essence of whatever insanity is going down.
In our house we need that little bit of humor to keep us laughing when things look dark.
Since Bush attacked Iraq we have seen over three thousand Ameican soldiers killed. And many thousands of U.S. soldiers have wounded in Iraq. And well over half a million Iraqis have perished since the Iraq invasion. And we call call Idi Amen a war criminal, but not our prez?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 99
And in response to God’s answer:
“Rii-ii-i-ght!”
Fitz marketing opportunity
If I were alive many decades ago, I would have been called a terrorist. Why? Because I would a have been fighting the U.S. Cavalry with everything I had for what they were doing to my people.
punaise @ 107
HAHAHA!
Reminds me of a popular saying way back when I was in high school:
“His ass is grass. And I’m the lawnmower.”
Could serve as another Fitz motto.
oregondave @ 102
the real alpha’s don’t “alpha”betize
the actual alpha’s allow others to “alpha”batize in our shadow, only to demonstrate the actual superiority we know exists
the “alpha” personality’s are pretenders, the actual alpha’s are simply magnificent without any posturing what so ever
Anybody see Jeralyn’s post today on Huffpost? Seems she thinks Libby should walk.
perris @ 110
“alpha”betize
a new play on words I only just invented I might add
Hey Pups, if anyone’s interested, Riverbend’s still alive… and kicking. Kicking about the rape case was enough to send her back into the blogosphere.
perris @ 110
Good point.
Real integrity has tremendous power. And is unselfconscious about it.
The posers, on the other hand, end up looking silly and as fraudulent as they really are in comparison — just by being in the room with the real thing.
Marcy,
Truly a work of artistic mastery. I hadn’t thought of Zeidenberg playing the part of the set-up man in this fashion but it makes so much sense. Froomkin has a huge wrap up of it all including this from Dana Milbank:
How has Hillary earned the ‘right’ to the Democratic nomination for president?
perris- I don’t quite get your second para (typos?) but what you said in the third said exactly what I was thinking about Fitz when I read earlier comments.
Info Junkie says:
Interesting point!
Scooter went off the rails when he started making things up to the FBI and especially the Grand Jury. It was there that he should have used his memory defense. “I don’t remember, I’m not sure, It may be, I just don’t know,” etc.
Still I was surprised that Wells et al didn’t have a more coherent strategy. There was Scooter’s memory defense that wasn’t. There was the conspiracy that wasn’t. There was only an air of “Is this as confusing to you as it is to us?” which raised more questions about the defense than it did the prosecution.
IANAL but my advice would have been to establish a narrative and to stick to it no matter what. For example, Scooter is a dedicated public servant, a kind and loving father, he could be making a lot more money in the private sector but gosh darn it that’s not the kind of man he is, when his country called he answered, for 5 years with many crises, with wars, with terror, with a thousand responsibilities riding on his shoulders, he served, and tried to do right by his country, to honor it, his family, his wife, and young children. Now, now, all that sacrifice is brought into question. Now this honest, hardworking man is made out to be a schemer and a liar. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Scooter testified truthfully about what he believed to be the case. If the prosecution can prove that any of what he said was wrong, we applaud them, but being wrong is not lying, and this the prosecution can never prove because it never happened. You will hear witnesses, some of them may not remember certain things, even important things, some may get things wrong. Is the prosecution going to bring them up on charges? Of course not, we all expect them to testify to the best of their abilities, and just as you would not find them guilty of a lie, you can not find my client guilty either. Being conscientious and sometimes getting something wrong wasn’t a crime in this country, the last I heard. Don’t make it one.
This is all, of course, BS. But the point is the defense didn’t go this route or produce some other counter story to Fitzgerald’s and they really, really needed to, but then again IANAL.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
Where have i heard that before?
So far as Alpha Males goes, any guy as tall as Fitz is, and as smart as Fitz is, is an Alpha Male whether he aspires to it or not.
Men are pretty primitive about this height thing, and women are even more so.
I’m predicting conviction on the Russert counts and the obstruction counts. The other two are a little dicier, but I think it’s still better than 50-50.
Since Libby as a big Straussian neo-con scumbag could “scoot” to Israel if convicted, and would never be expedited, he’s DEFINITELY a flight risk. As soon as the guilty verdict comes in, they should put his ass in the slammer — surrender of his passport would be meaningless, as he’s not merely Jewish (which qualifies him for the “Law of Return”) but as a big rightwing scumbag he’d probably be smuggled out of Merka by Mossad for the asking.
Team Fitz did a great job, and so did Team Lake. GREAT, HISTORICAL BLOGGING. Super job, ladies.
While we’ve been talking all things Fitz, the punditties have been twittering about Her Royal Clintonness’s minions lashing back at David Geffen’s comments in MoDo’s column.
If the thin-skinned Her Royal Clintonness crowd thinks they’re thus demonstrating they’ll smash back against Republibums in a general election, then they best remember that’s a pale shadow of the trash-talkin’ the Republibum crowd will do. Geffen’s trash-talkin’ resonates because it’s true to many of us.
When Her Royal Clintonness pulls a Bushie and refuses to back off her vote for war, she just reinforces her Republite bona fides.
“If she knew then what she knows now, her vote would have been different.” We’ve heard that from her minions, we heard it tonight from Wolfson on Hardball. We’ve heard it from Clinton herself.
Here’s what she knows now…the tide of public opinion has turned against the war. A vote based on political calculation is no honorable vote.
ADB HRC*
Any Democrat But Her Royal Clintonness
Valley Girl @ 117
my point is so;
the boisterous, the loud, the bores, the bullys
these are not alphas they are posers, they recognize their own inadaquacy and they pose.
notice the true alpha in the animal kingdom, the head of the pride, the lead walrus, the lead anything
alpha’s don’t pose, they “are”, they allow others to pose, others to represent, however when pressed, it’s the alpha that excels
if you see someone acting the alpha, boisterous, deliberately head strong, they are not the alpha they are representing
does any one know if lhp has popped in to give her take on the summations?
she was there, right?
alpha’ll better in the morning
perris @ 122
Okay then. I agree completely. Just didn’t get the “our shadow” part.
Dear Pach!
late to the eve session today, but just had to check in, instead of always being EPU’d.
I can’t begin to tell you how important your “take” on things is to the overall impression of what the h is going on (on many different levels, no matter the subject).
THANK YOU!
Now, I will retrace my leap in one bound, & read step by step from the beginning, like a good student. I would try to claim you don’t know how hard that is to do, but then, I know that you do. ;->
Prairie Sunshine @
122
Have you seen AmericaBlog lately? Just hammering on HRC for her back-stabbing of Democrats. Lots of threads devoted to just that. And John actually was never anti-Hillary to begin with — but he is now!
She just disgusts me lately (or I should say, much more so than usual).
punaise @ 125
Stop it!
Dear God, I’ve been really, really good.
And I’ve really, really been looking forward to 2008.
Please, please, PLEEEEZE God, don’t make me vote for Hillary in 2008.
Isn’t it amazing how people resist being occupied by a foreign power? How dare they!
OKAY, Right away, I want to thank Marcy too, yet again. psych analysis synergism – yum. DANGER. Do not try this at home. Here at FDL – LEARN & (sometimes) enjoy.
I’m a student always/all over again! Thanks guys!
punaise @ 124
alpha’ll better gamma da morning.
Hard to keep up with you guys. I posted this at the end of the last thread, which I went to after reading emptywheel on the other site. So, at this point I’ve now discovered that Fitz is indeed tall. Here it is, and I know the GRRMartin is old news:
Spectacular historic flawless effort by Firedoglake. A few thoughts and questions:
Does Fitzgerald possess Lincolnesque stature? In the indictment news conference he looked like a mid-sized guy behind a podium, and I never got any other impression, but in some of the recent photos he has seened gigantic. Maybe some of the other lawyers, etc., are puny? But he looks like a 6′4″ hearty Irishman, and if emptywheel’s alpha dog theories are correct, Z’s nipping at Wells’ heels set Fitz up to take the Cryer by the neck and finish him.
FDL’s Lamont effort was so incredible and revolutionary but ultimately bittersweet, who knew it was a prologue for this truly historic trial coverage? Amazing amazing amazing, even more so when JH’s heroic health battle is thrown in. The whole “blogstar” concept is forming right before our eyes, and I think we’re all going to look back quite fondly at the PoliticsTV clips with emptywheel’s hair blowing all over her face, like she was on an early bad date in her relationship with destiny.
Next question: MSM or any other coverage at all of what has happened here? Do we think they’ll catch up when the verdict comes in? I’m thinking in terms of how big an event Fitz’ indictment news conference was, very dramatic and exciting. Well, the scene played out in the summations seems like it all that and more more more, but nobody has said a word. Were there illustrations on the networks–I’d bet the house there weren’t. Big dramatic news moment with a solid, great American character Fitz playing it with Capra/Jimmy Stewart (also tall) emotion, and nobody knows about unless they’re reading FDL. We’ll see him on the courthouse steps soon enough I suppose.
GRR Martin is awesome, raising my price on Christy’s already strong stock considerably, and can anyone think of characters from Ice and Fire that resemble Plamegate figures? I’ll start with Judy Miller as the evil queen who sleeps with her brother.
Plop-plop; fizz, fizz… who what a relief it is. Alpha-Selzer.
punaise @ 125
Beta take an aspirin and a nap.
Prairie Sunshine @ 122
This smear reminds me of the case. Why smear Joe Wilson, just let it pass? I was not aware of this Geffen issue, until Hilary pointed it out for us. Let sleeping dogs lie.
If she read the classified NIE before her vote she would have known then what she knows now. She also would have learned from the differences between the public versus classified versions, that you could not trust giving War Powers to a man like Bush even back then.
She does not understand the difference between resolve and stubborness. Bush claims resolve, when we all know it to be stubborness. We do not need another president with this quality, a quality she demostrates too willingly.
Alpha in the mornin’
Beta in the evenin’
Gamma at supper time…
punaise @ 107
707!!!
Marcy, I don’t have the adequate words to express how grateful I am for the FDL coverage, so I’ll have to go with the tried-and-true.
Thank. You.
Thank you for everything, all of you. The seat I “bought” in the courtroom with my contributions was the best money I’ve ever spent.
If you decide to visit the Pacific Northwest for a book signing, if there is ANYTHING I could do to help, I would be thrilled to do so.
Again, thank you.
-S
On KO tonight he had Milbank on regarding the Libby trial going into deliberations. Didn’t have much new to add that most people here don’t already know.
Although at one point KO stated there was what looked like a serious conversation at the end (after jury instructions and gone for deliberations?)that lasted about 10 minutes between Fitz and Wells? Milbank didn’t really gleam any light on that…Anyone see this happen in attendance today and can verify or fill us in on it??
montag @ 136
Phi upon you, punaise, *psi*
This, from Russia:
President Bush Faces an Uncomfortable Verdict
snip
In order to substantiate his client’s innocent forgetfulness, Mr. Wells attempted to conjure up for the jury a picture of the hellishly difficult and weighty responsibilities shouldered by Mr. Libby in his position in the president’s administration during the period when the Plame scandal was unfolding. “He was bombarded with a blizzard of information. Those briefings would make your toes curl,” Mr. Wells said, referring to the intelligence reports that Mr. Libby received every day. The seasoned lawyer reminded the jury of another potentially important circumstance: in July of 2003, Lewis Libby was up to his neck in the critical task of averting further terrorist attacks against America after the 9/11 attacks in 2001. The mention of September 11 in the same breath as the Valerie Plame affair was clearly not an accident.
http://www.kommersant.com/p744850/Lewis_Libby_Jr/
perris @ 123
Contrast with the poser: the pufferfish, the blowfish. Easy to be fooled on surface appearance, maybe, but doesn’t stand any kind of close examination. By my own life experience, seeing through, or beneath, the pose is a skill that can be developed.
By the descriptions of Wells’ performance, and a description of this jury’s makeup by other perspicacious commenters, it seems a good guess that his act was seen for what it was.
About Hillary: aren’t her supporters on the blogs quite shrill and dismissive already?
I have also been turned off to Hillary just recently. I think she could drop like a stone in the polls, realizes this, and is panicking.
Money cannot make up for what she lacks.
Bottom line: Hillary is not a leader, plain as day.
Pelosi is a leader. If she were running for Prez, people would prefer her to Hillary. It’snot about gender.
I want our people home from Iraq. I don’t want to let Bush attack Iran. And I want a fair settlement to the Israeli-Palestininan conflict. Do you hear, leaders of my party, the Dems? This is very serious business!
Hugh@119 – Many, if not most, good lawyers do exactly as you suggest. They devise a “theory of the case” then lay out the evidence and arguments to prove it up. Of course, adjustments have to be made along the way. It appears to me that the defense in this case was merely throwing up any crud they could in an attempt to obfuscate the jury. No way to tell how this turns out, but if I were Libby, I would want a partial refund of lawyer’s fees. Of course, he hasn’t paid most of them personally anyway.
This, from France:
Jury has CIA leak case to decide former Cheney aide’s fate on perjury, obstruction charges
snip
The jurors include a former Washington Post reporter, an economist, a retired math teacher, a former museum curator, a law firm accountant, a Web architect and several retired or current federal workers. There are 10 whites and two blacks, unusual in a city where blacks outnumber whites more than 2-to-1.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..-Trial.php
Blair is “cutting and running”. The only smart thing this jerk has done in years.
Hugh @
142
Punaise makes it look as easy as pi – so what else is nu?
And this line, from Africa:
Jurors did not hear from Libby or Cheney.
bwwwwwwwwaaahhhh
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php…..691650B222
Hugh @ 142
I don’t know. Generalizations such as “alpha male” are shortcuts to understanding, but they leave so much out. I’m not even sure there is such a thing, to tell you the truth. It’s reduces so much that it’s almost meaningless.
bmaz @ 147
Swopa’s caption contest shows a pic of Libby with Jeffress. Libby has his hand extended toward Jeffress with his palm up. My caption says Hey Jeffress, I want my money back.
And, from Rush Limbaugh, with love:
I’ve never understood this guy never questioning anything Joseph Wilson ever said to him. I don’t know that Wilson has ever been put under oath. He’s just overlooking Wilson’s flat-out lies. The prosecutor is willing to skirt past all the other witnesses who had serious memory losses, and yet embracing their failed memories, all to target Libby. What worries me about this is this is a DC jury, and the odds that you’re going to have a lot of people on that jury that hate the Bush administration are pretty good. I have no clue how this is going to turn out. I guess hung jury is the best thing that could be hoped for, unless this jury just concludes that no witness could remember anything they said and why in the world is Libby being singled out for this?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho…..guest.html
Hugh @ 141
Theta’ll cost you, I’m sure. It will deter him not one iota….
Oklahoma kiddo @
149
oh, he remains delusional and quite the lapdog– I am listening to him finish up right now on a replay and he just reaffirmed his rightness about going after Saddam and said that people aren’t dying because we invaded Iraq.
sheesh. But, how I wish we had President Question Time like the British do for the PM… would make for delightful tv.
ccmask #110,
Wells made Libby sound busy but this is a fact that goes nowhere. As I was saying in my previous comment, it needed to be built into a story that a jury can latch on to.
Which is more powerful? Libby was too busy dealing with important matters but still didn’t get anything wrong or Libby was dedicated, overwhelmed by his responsibilities, as any of us would be, but he was still trying to do the best he could (as he had been for 5 long years), maybe he got something wrong, he doesn’t think he did, but again this doesn’t amount to lying, etc. The point is Wells didn’t have to prove any of this, he just had to make it sound plausible.
Frank Probst @
39
Forehead in hand.
Oh man, my first pun and I misplaced it in the zig.
my too sense @ 141
There was one thing that caught my ear: Milbank “reported” that Fitz had “said” somewhere, somehow, that after Scoot’s trial, everything was over, nada, zilch, nothing left to do!
You know, the same ol’ “move along, there’s nothing to see here” MSM puppetry spin.
I believe that Fitz has not said any such thing. I also believe that either Milbank was making this up or spreading the Rove/Comstock/Toensing fertilizer per his master’s wishes.
To be fair, I’ll concede the possibility that Milbank somehow, somwhere got an “exclusive” scoop from inside Fitz’s organization, but I and millions of others are seriously hoping it ain’t so!
montag @
156
Rho, rho, rho your boat gently down the stream…
ccmask @ 155
Rush loved the Blue Dress scandal. What about the Gannon Guckert scandal? Not sexy enough for Pilodinal Cystbaugh?
angie @ 157
Blair is so absolutely distasteful and arrogant. If Bush is a war criminal, so it is for Tony. Fact of the matter is, I dislike Blair even more than George Bush. I can barely stand these two individuals. ;0)
ccmask @ 143
Wow, thanks! Nice to get a foreign take on the trial.
oregondave @ 102
It’s an “effortless” alpha male vibe. A non-posturing alpha male vibe. A vibe that says, I don’t need to prove anything, I just am.
I still want to have his baby.
Too bad that my pun-loving dad is so in the tank with BushCo – I’d send him here just to read the puns tonight!
EW! A question for you to weigh in on. Seen it said that Fitz was talking “too fast” for the jurors to “get it”. I don’t necessarily believe this. Your impression? Also, do you know if jurors get transcripts of closing statements? (No, I would guess.)
I like Jane’s poodle better that George’s.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 161
Oh, my, chronic retaliatory punning… lambstda slaughter…. :)
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 162
or upsilon lazy river.
my too sense @ 141
I’m sorry, I don’t know anything in answer to your question, but wanted to add that Milbank totally pooh poohed Keith’s question about Fitz possibly being interested in pursuing Cheney going forward. Milbank’s response was dismissive, saying something about it being pretty clear for a long time that Fitz wasn’t going any further down that road. Period.
Milbank showing his ignorance and his arrogance – gawd I can’t stand that guy!
New thread from Jane
Zeta’ll be enough, everyone. We’ll scare off the riff-raff. [Kinda like our ND winters do, which is why we say Dick Armey moved to Texas.].
Pun-derful time tonight!!!!
“Pilodinal Cystbaugh”
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth…
OK– I don’t like Blair, but Bushco and the neocons take the ultimate brunt of my wrath because they are, unfortunately, our responsibility.
Dem Forum on cspan1 now– Dodd up and then much later Kucinich is on fire.
There’s also Clinton, Biden, Vilsack, Richardson, Gravel, and Edwards coming up.
everhopeful @ 172
Milbank is basing this comment on reports at the time of the indictment that Fitz’s investigation was “almost done.” But I don’t remember what those reports were based on, other than the fact that Fitz didn’t convene another special grand jury after the first one expired.
fyi, new thread
New Thread with Jane/Marcy video
(Apropos all the Greek alphabet commentary:)
When our FDL team exposed the Wells/Jefress bad vibes during closing argument time, I had the thought
“Beware of Geeks baring rifts!”
Marcy:
Oh heck guys. Just savored every word of the post & haven’t even gotten to comments, sigh.
But I don’t take back one word of my #127 & #132.
You guys are incredible. Thank you!
ccmask @ 143
I went and read this article and after doing so the first thought I had was truly telling of the dark times America has been living in. What does it say about the state of America that a Russian Daily is reporting this trial and the underlying issues in a fair, more informed, and balanced manner then what has been seen in the MSM American media (well at the minimum the major newspapers)? Despite the odd loaded emotional term this was overall a far less emotionally charged reading of this trial than what I have been seeing in the American press, and from what I read the grasp of the main underlying facts in this trial appeared sound unlike too much in the American press.
When the Russians are covering a major Washington scandal in a significantly better manner (as in factual accuracy and presenting an informative piece instead of merely emotional manipulation/propaganda) it really feels like being through the looking glass for someone raised to adulthood during the Cold War. This is I know not news to anyone here yet that still doesn’t prevent me from lamenting it, as I really respected the American attitude of the notion of a free press that really was acting as a means of oversight of those in power instead of being their servants as this trial has revealed so clearly and indisputably.
litagatormom @ 177
But, as I remember (and correct me if I’m wrong), Fitz never used a special grand jury – I thought it was always a regular GJ that he could use as he needed – and still can. Meaning, that if Milbank is basing his comments on “no new special grand jury convened” then he’s wrong – right?
Zhiv @ 134: Froomkin has a rundown of the MSM coverage at wapo.com
anyone catch Chris Matthews on tonite?! just skewering the Libby defense, it was juicy! he brought up Shooter’s obsession with Hardball and Wells’ final summation crying “like a baby”! Suh-weeet!
btw, has anyone else mentioned Jane/Christy/Marcy video yestidie points out Wells has a HISTORY of “crying” on cue – I think one of them mentioned previous trial(s) in re: tobacco industry??
So, during the CURRENT trial a la Libby, Wells is thrown off stride & the inpromtu cry looks awkward & out of place? well well well
I rest MY case.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-514726
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-514741
dab from CT @
80
I agree. What I’d really like to see is Pelosi use this trial and Bush’s newfound reticence to “discuss” it and say:
That’s what I’d like to see, anyway.
oceanbreeze @
38
Mods please delete if this is spam. But today I made such a shirt and I’m wearing one on St Patrick’s day in honor of Fitz. madness
[Mod Note; just this once, cuz we like the shirt.]
valletta @ 185
Glad Tweetie finally was allowed to get to it. Perhaps he was nudged over by higher-oops? They were late starting because of wall-to-wall AnnaNicole !LIVETEEVEE! extravanza, so I just gave up on all the ghouls that had covered that ad nauseum during previous hr. or so.
Sorry I gave up. I think Matthews finally knows the Libby trial’s important & will stick with it, if only because Schuster is so excellent. Keep tuning in, folks, & let ‘em know how you like Schuster’s fine commentary… just sayin…
Great, great stuff. Thanks!
Scotian @ 182
My reaction exactly, Scotian. I weep for my country, so poorly served by a Fourth Estate that was, in my own lifetime, something to be proud of, that stood as a bulwark against totalitarianism.
Fortunately for the meantime, there is the foreign press — and Left Blogistan, led by (((FDL))) in this case :)
And soon the rest of the media will be forced to cover this, when the wheels REALLY start to fall off the White House! :) :)
Scotian @ 182
Valletta 185 and Adie 189.
Didn’t see Tweety, but remember he was the reporter who caused Libby to call Russert and complain about the coverage. REmember Libby was furious because Tweety kept hammering on the fact that OVP had questions and that is why Wilson was sent to investigate the uranium war claims that were known to be bogus but were used anyway. Tweety’s harping on that issue was occuring during that week that Cheneyco was frantically trying to pushback against Wilson’s op ed…and that is why Libby called Russert (and what Russert said he called about) So I’m not surprised Tweety still on this. He was on this back then, and he’s still on this now because I truly believe he knew then and still believes today that Cheney was behind all of the prewar lies and fabrications. Remember Matalin said Timmeh hates Tweety…and that was part of the strategy she suggested to Libby to plead their case.
@177 Milbank was very dismissive. Talking points from WaPo? He underplays the significance of the verdict, but I think he is right that the investigation is over. There has been no real action on that end, and there is still the comment from Michael Sneed of Chicago Sun-Times that a “top, top, top US attorney was shopping his resume at some of Chicago’s best firms – guess who”
Mr. Fitzgerald (and other Team USA members): If you are reading this, think about what you can keep giving to the American people and don’t give up on public service.
It would be just like this administration not only alienating all of our allies with their crap but also forcing talented hardworking people who have a heart for public service to be so repulsed as to do something else (or be fired like some US Attorneys have been), (or outed like Valerie Plame). I used to think they could not do any more damage, and then they would constantly surprise me. Now I just pray – a lot.
As written above, Wells has a documented modus operandi for his closing argument. Rational talk, indignant crescendo, and then a tearful plea for justice for client.
In high school football we used to watch films of opposing teams to learn their offense and defense to prepare. In law as well as the Boy Scouts, the motto is Be Prepared.
Fitz surely knew what Wells had in mind and was prepared to counter it. Sure there was improvisation, but he had prepared for it.
The best lawyers practice try their big cases with actor jurors and focus groups to see what works and what doesn’t.
Clearly Wells lost it after Z’s provocation and handled it inappropriately. He forgot the cardinal rule of what i used to call the three P’s.
I used to say Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury the State has all the advantages. They get to sit closer to you. They get to go first and if we put on evidence they also get to go last. I also wanted to say if we lose, my client goes to jail but if they lose nothing happens to them, but you can’t say that. But to balance that out everybody has to observe the three P’s. (my invention). Presumption of Innocence, Burden of Proof, and the Standard of Proof of Guilt beyond a Reasonable Doubt.
Wells in his emotional reaction to Z’s taunt let Z shift the Burden of Proof on him! As the above commenter noted all he had to do was simply dismiss it. We didn’t have to waste your time with that matter b/c they didn’t meet their burden of proof. And then proceed w/ his game plan.
What worries me is that Fitz is not an Independent counsel like Ken Starr but is a sitting U.S. Attorney serving as a Special Counsel working for Gonzalez. What next from the Dumbya administration?
And in epu world.
In response to Cheney…why is it that when the British redeploy/withdraw troops home it’s a sign that we’re winning and things are progressing. Yet when the Americans call to deploy troops it’s a sign of weakness and even considered emboldening the enemy? Why is that?
And just for the sake of argument and not agreement, but if things are going so well in Southern Iraq area and that is why the British troops can leave the area, why can’t they be reassigned to help out in the areas that Cheneyco says we need more troops? You know sent to the areas where those 21000 more troops we are sending over are needed?
everhopeful @ 183
I thought the first grand jury — the one that expired the day the Libby indictment was announced — was a special grand jury. Since then, he has been using a regular grand jury.
I’m giving up newspapers for bloggers. Great job, Firedoglake crew. I do wonder how, as I recall, jurors could ask questions. How is that allowed?
Sid
I skipped most of these comments. OK, so sue me. But, unlike the VAST majority of posters, I have been on juries and a Grand Jury here in the District. You people have NO idea. Does it differ from juries in Peoria, IL? I have NO idea.
I just know that THIS particular jury reflects the “over-educated” population of the “eligible” jurors. Personally, I think Libby is SCREWED. I could give you chapter and verse of what’s going on in the Jury Room. He is TOAST. The question is: is there somebody who will hang the jury? Quite possibly. But, there will be the vast majority who won’t be happy with staying day after day in a small room because somebody can’t articulate his/her problems. I expect this to be wrapped up tomorrow.
Mr. Cheney? Person-to-person, collect, from Scooter Libby. Will you accept the charges?
Interested Observer @ 201
LOL! That one is a keeper!
Mad Dogs @ 79
They lost themselves. A long time ago.
Someone who has seen Fitz: how tall is he?
He looks like a giant in the photo above –in inches high, as in so many other ways.
It makes perfect sense that it would be the guy who doesn’t appear to be the alpha male who could do what Z did. Because that male would be able to stand around and watch all the alpha males jockey for power, and have an understanding of their games that they could *not* have.
Don’t mean to imply that Z isn’t, or doesn’t act the alpha male in some situations. Nor do I care if he ever plays that role. Just pointing out that if it wasn’t his role *here*, he would have the luxury to observe, then play this role.
I’m sure that Z’s speech and strategy was worked on and refined by both he and Fitz.
Still — I could not beLIEVE that Wells fell for that. Almost fell out of chair when I read Wells saying, “And now I will begin the remarks I had prepared for today.” Still totally amazed.
Pachacutec @
10
You better tell us more about this, this last drama, that is.
It should be obvious to all. The WH has made a deal with Libby. Libby will get the presidential pardon but only if the past and present WH principles (the VP,Andy Card,Scot McClellan,Dan Bartlett,Karl Rove and god knows who else) are NOT called to testify.
It makes for a weak defense, but if the pardon’s already on the President’s desk waiting for the verdict to be announced why should he care ?
oregondave @ 180
GOOD ONE!!!