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Folks are pretty impressed here–Jeralyn definitely impressed, though she'd remind you that there are two sides to every pancake. Now we'll get to see the other pancake.
Walton: Govt took a little less than 1 hour 18 minutes.
Fitz, I think we took more time than you think we took, but I think we have more than you think we have left.
Walton Hour 50 minutes.
Fitz Hour 25 left, is that right?
Walton We'll go until 12:30, then we'll pick up at 1:30, I'll ask everyone to be ready before to get started.
Now we wait for jury. We've got a slightly different view. We can see prosecution and defense table (we got the defense table instead of witness). And we get a bit of angular view of Well's stand. Here comes the jury.
Get ready for showtime, folks!
Wells up.
Walton, members of proscution, members of jury. I was sitting listening to prosecution listen to what I said, after a few minutes I said, maybe I was drunk, it sure sounded like I said a lot of things I could no deliver on. Prosecution said, there were a very few words. I heard that true. Prosecution said Wells said that but then he played you GJ, the rest of the conversation. You are going to get instructions exactly what the charges are.
[Wells has a weird tone--it's a higher pitched indignant than before. He's not breathing enough, IMO. I think it's supposed to be false indignation.]
Let's show you what the charge is. Let's just show you if what was charged what I said in my opening. Count 3 alleges that Libby falsely told FBI that Libby falsely told that during conversation with Cooper Mr Libby told Cooper that reporters telling admin that Wilson's wife worked for CIA. But that LIbby did not know if this was true. That's what the charge is.
What Zeidenberg did, is something that I won't characterize, bc I don't want to be personal. He read from Count 5. Count 3 what Libby said went to GJ [meant FBI, now corrected it] in October and November. In GJ they start beating on him, asking the same question TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME, Libby reconstructed, he then says, for the first time, maybe he doesn't have a wife. So he reads you that longer piece and suggests that when I said about a few words, what I said in opening, just what you're going to get.
[Wells is facing jury]
11:30
Then Zeidenberg said I said there was a WH conspiracy. That I had no evidence. In this case, the key quesiton is perjury. THe key question is Libby's state of mind, before he went before FBI. That meat grinder note, that Zeidenberg says I didn't show evidence about. It's one of the most improtant, important pieces of evidence in this case. I'm going to talk about it in detail. He has suggested that I promised putting on a whole case, of evidence about what Andrew Card or Scott McC did, I made no such promise, I said I'd show you a note, introduce a note, show that VP Of this country, wrote a note in his own hand, in old pen, that it was not fair to protect Karl Rove and proetc libby. Ted WElls did not make those owrds up, I did not get into time machine and go into WH and write that note. VP wrote not fair to prorect rove and sacrifice Libby. [Um, Ted, the note says NOTHING about Rove!!! You're lying here!!!]
Libby had to fight to get clear. That note shows his state of mind. He was mad, He thougt he was being left out to dry by himself. It's all in the GJ, it's all in evidence, and I'm going to read some of it to you. He went to COS of Bush, Card, you should clear me too, Andy Card BLEW HIM OFF. Libby went to McC, McC said, nope, I'm not going down a list. Karl Rove, not you.
LIbby did something only an innocent person would do , got to VP, I didn't do anything. Clear suggestion once they cleared Rove, He goes to VP, only an innocent person would do this, VP writes in his own handwriting, It's not right to clear Rove and sacrifice Libby. It was written and it exists. [Damn Wells is setting himself to get REAMED since the note says nothing about Rove.]
I'm going to start the way I intended to start before some of Zeidenberg's personal comments.
I opened to you about a month ago, now that we've had a month of testimony, I submit that nothing has changed from opening statement. Libby innocent, totally innocent, Did not commit perjury, obstruction of justice, did not make false statements. innocent man, wrongly charged. I also told you this was a case about he said she said. Case about different recollections between Libby and some reporters. There is no charge in this indictment about Libby's conversation with Grossman, Fleischer, Martin that's all background evidence. In terms of what you have to decide as jurors, it relates to Libby's conversations with reporters, Set forth in detail in the jury instructions. [breathes] those are the charges.
Something changed in material way. I told you case was about 3 reporters, 3 telephone calls, recollections abotu what took place 3 months previously. Walton DISMISSED charges WRT Ms Miller's July 12 conversation. let me read to you again what will be in Walton's instrutcions. Take verbatim from Walton's instructions. As I told you earlier, one of those allegations that Libby lied about conversation, one has been dismissed. Count one, the obstruction of justice count based solely on allegations that Libby falsely testified to GJ, concerning conversation with two reporters.
So we are making some progress, some progress is being made, 3-3-3 is not 2-2-3 [shows graphic with three crossed of, replaced with two in red ink]
We are now left with conversations with Russert and Cooper. Let me talk about Cooper.
Facts almost undisputable in terms of background. Libby gets up, takes wife and two children, birthday of oldest child, his tenth birthday. Libby family on that Saturday go to Edwards AFB, get on AF2, going to Norfolk to watch commemoration of Reagan, like a holiday, a birthday present to kid, AF2, VP, a great birthday present. Ms Martin told you that Libby didn't have his mind on talking to any reporters. She said, Reporters have been calling, including Cooper, Are we going to talk to them, or not? You don't have to guess about what he said, there are notes.
11:41
No one would have thought there'd be a criminal case. Those notes don't say anything about Valerie Wilson. The plane lands, Libby goes into small room with Ms Martin, Jenny Mayfield's in the room, they call Matt Cooper, Ms Libby and two children in next room, those kids have been up since 6 in the morning, want to get home and PUT those kids to be. Libby didn't want to be on the calls. He had never talked to Cooper in his life. He gets on phone talks to Cooper. Cooper testified, SCOOTER Libby wasn't running around, trying to leak. Cooper wanted to keep him on phone. Have you heard about the wife. I heard that to. I heard that too,but I don't know if it's even true. And it is about a few words, regardless of what he said. We saw what was in essence a Perry Mason moment when my partner Bill Jeffress, one of the best lawyers in the country. put up on the screen the notes that clearly show I don't even know, and the guy stops, It shows what LIbby said was accurate, what happened. It was clear, that was up there, Cooper said, I can't explain it. Scooter Libby's innocent. He didn't do it. He didn't leak to anyone. He is being charged iwth a conversation with a reporter he never met in his life, trying to get home, in the notes, if you want to be fairminded, the notes support Mr Libby. ANd you're going to charge him for perjury, false statements, Some craziness to this case.
Let me talk abotu Mr RUssert. I'm going to talk a lot about Mr Russert. Russert took the stand and said, it was impossible for me to have asked Libby a conversation on July 11, because I did not know, then, that Mrs. Wilson worked at CIA, so i could not have asked Libby the question. Russert said I didn't read it until July 14, and I said wow.
I then introduced an affadavit, a stipulation, as to what Case Agent Eckenrode, he was the top guy, he was the one who called Tim Russert. It is stipulated as true. The stipulation says the November 24 report states, Russert does not recall stating to Libby anything about wife of former Ambassador Wilson, although he could not rule out possibility. That's what Eckenrode would have testified to. He could not rule out possibility.
Russert was at a loss to remember it. He believes this was a type of conversation that he would or should remember. Russert talks to many people on daily basis, it is difficult to reconstruct one several months ago.
That statement that he could not rule it out is totally contrary to what he told you on witness stand. Those counts rely almost exclusive on Russert's testimony. [This is total BS--there's one charge that relates entirely to Libby's knowledge. Fitz is going to have a field day]
That stipulation in and of itself is reasonable doubt. I don't have to talk about Buffalo news, Russert's affadavit before court, how he was forgetful on stand the morning of indictment [wow, that relates to evidence that was ruled inadmissible] He made a statement that is different from an earlier statemen. This is an impeachment statement. THe mere fact that he made an earlier statement, where the stakes are a man's reputation, a man's life, that's reasonable doubt in and of itself.
Russert says, it was impossible because I didn't know about it until I read it in the newspaper.
I'm going to talk you through this, most important testimony in the whole case. THe govt's timeline is wrong. Came out on AP wire, by 2:00 on July 11, if you lived in teh world of media, you could get access to it, people could call you, talk about it. maybe for those of us who are non-reporters, if you live in Russert's world, it was on AP wire, even though it was embargoed, Reporters could read, talk about it.
Novak testified at trial, that he wrote Mission to Niger before Noon, on July 11, before noon. And that it was edited by 1 PM, ET. COlumn out on AP wire shortly thereafter. Let me read you from testimony.
"In this case, my recollection is that since I had a really busy afternoon, I wanted to finish teh column by noon."
11:52
Edited by noon, it is given to AP, It's on the wires on July 11.
Are people in newsrooms permitted to read it.
Anybody who subscribes to that column, it becomes general information.
Maybe all taht happened in this case, is that on July 11, Tim Russert read the column, talked to him about the column, only thing is that Russert has misrecollected the date on which he heard about it. Maybe he's confused to think he heard about in the Post on the 14. And he asked Libb ya question. Do you know about Wilson's wife working at CIA. Russert says, all the reporters know. Natural response, if Russert knew it was on the wire. Maybe all that's happened is that Russert has forgotten he heard about it on the 14th. It may be as simple as that. A simple piece of misrecollection. But think about the statement. The statement all the reporters know. By the 11th, it is a true statement. That article is in newsrooms in over 100 media outlets. Russert remembers there is a buzz. He puts the buzz on MOnday. By Friday, at 2PM, all the reporters did know. It was put out on the AP wire.
Let me tell you how we'll proceed. I'm going to speak for an hour. Jeffress is going to speak for an hour. I'll use the time left.
Walton: You actually have 3:15 hours.
Wells Fitzgerald goes last. But I will tell you, and say to you now, there's an extreme disadvantage to Defense, bc you're not able to respond to something that will come up. I don't get to respond, but this is an important trial, and I represent an important person, so I want you to think about how I would respond. I want you to be critical thinkers. If you hear something that is new, I want you think, what would Wells and Jeffress say that is new.
I'm going to talk about some of the jury instructions, bedrock principles of American justice system. Proof beyond reasonable doubt and innocent until proven guilty.
Presumed innocent. Presumed innocent, remains with defendant, unless and until he is proven guilty, beyond reasonable doubt. Burden of proof never shifts during trial. Law does not require defendant to produce any evidence. Let me repeat that. That is why Libby doesn't have to testify, doesn't have to do anything. The sole question is whether govt proves guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Jurors not to ask the question, is he innocent. What is innocent is proven. We start as a bedrock principle. Innocence is presumed. Sole question is whether you've been given evidence that cloak of innocence has been ripped away. Please follow instructions, don't get it backwards. Sole question for you is whether govt proved he deliberately lied.
In some European countries, they have three boxes, innocent, guilty, not proven.
Other bedrock principle is reasonable doubt. Walton will tell you that govt has burden of proving defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Civil cases, only need to prove that it is more likely than not [hey, then I look forward to the Wilson's case]. Think about how reasonable doubt resonates. If after careful, honest consideration of all the evidence you cannot say you are firmly convinced, then you have reasonable doubt. You are only to check the guilty box if you are convinced of Libby's guilt.
It is an extraordinarily high standard, system sets high, to make sure no one who is innocent is by mistake branded a criminal, a felon, it is to protect people as charged. It is also to make sure you don't have to declare someone guilty unless govt has given you powerful evidence. Our system recognizes we are not judgmental people, system says you as jurors have to take on difficult task of pronouncing another human guilty. You have to be confident that that person is guilty. It's to give you a comfort level. There is a permanence to a guilty verdict. [Unless you're the fall guy for the President and the VP] There are no erasers on the pencils of jurors. There to protect him, but also to protect you, so that a year later, you don't think you made a mistake. They've got meet a very high standard.
Let me talk about Libby's defense. 5 counts. You're going to get a verdict sheet, 5 counts. elements will be discussed.
Count 1 Obstruction, based on Russert and Cooper [geez, at least Ted is predictable in his dishonesty]
Count 2 Tim Russert
Count 3 Cooper
Count 4 Russert
Count 5 Cooper
[In red] Libby had not been charge with leaking classified information.
As I said, wrt the conversations with Russert and Cooper, they're he said she said, there's no recording. Analogizing as if you're laying on beach, you couldn't remember conversation four months later.
Libby didn't get to lay on the beach, he didn't get to see his wife and family. He deals with important issues. No one disputes that he worked long hours or dealt with important issues.
There's a madness, even putting the question, the notion that someone woudl get charged with this.
Same defense to every count, government hasn't established beyond reasonable doubt, they've got to prove intentional lie. They have not proved he acted with criminal intent. Not that you made a mistake, not that you were confused.
12:09
Good faith. One of the most important instructions.
A person who makes a statement based on a belief or opinion that is inaccurate, making an honest statement that turns out to be inaccurate. An honest belief is one of the most complete defenses because such an honest belief is inconsistent with the intent to commit the alleged offenses.
In this case, it is a deliberate, purposeful, intent to lie.
I'm just going to review chart I used in opening statement. Walk through quickly.
- Gave best good faith recollection
- Innocent mistakes
- No knowledge that Plame was classified [whether or not she was classified is out of bounds]
- Did not push reporters to write about Valerie Wilson
- Did not leak to Robert Novak, Armitage did [brings up Ari, leaking to Pincus], when Judy says, he worked at WINPAC Libby's not a nut, he wouldn't go out and leak false info
- Libby is innocent and had no motive to lie
[Wow, I wish I could do the cross on this, Wells is throwing up so many softballs for Fitz to just slam outside of the park]
Let me talk about Russert. Russert is involved in three counts. Obstruction, False statement, perjury. No one is sure if the conversation is 10 or 11 or 12 [ha! he's never even said 12 before, but now they have to get to 12 because of their stupid Novak article change in argument, geez this is pathetic, laughs all around in media room]
1) Russert asked libby if Libby knew that Wilson's wife worked at CIA, Russert told Libby all the reporters knew it
2) Libby was surprised
1 is what Russert said, 2 is Libby's state of mind [which is why those 9 govt witnesses are so important, Ted]
I'm going to focus on number 1, surprise I'll do my second.
How long do I have?
Walton: You've got 15 minutes before lunch. You've gone 46.
Wells: Bill's given me the extra 15 minutes.
[Laughs all around]
First charge is just based on Russert's word. Based on credibility of Russert, Libby is facing 3 felony counts, his whole life. I said in opening you don't have to find Russert is a liar. You don't have to find that he took stand and intentionally lied. You have to find that Russert, based on testimony is not sufficiently reliable that any reliable jury can convict a person beyond reliable doubt. You don't have to decide he lied. What Russert is saying is it's impossible. I would submit that he just doesn't recall.
12:19
Why would Libby make up a lie and rely on Russert. They're not friends. It doesn't make sense for him to use Russert.
Was the Russert conversation something that would be protected by first amedment. It wasn't that kind of conversation. It was just a viewer complaint. Has nothing to do with first amendment, reporters privilege. NBC not friendly network, wrt Libby. NBC where Matthews on all the time, badmouthing the VP, NBC was where Wilson made his debut, when he first came public, he went on NBC, that was his home network, sitting there with Andrea Mitchell. There's no reason why you'd ever pick Russert.
Libby says conversation with Russert happened bc that's his recollection. There's powerful evidence that Russert was wrong when he says it was impossible. I haven't gotten to discussion by Gregory.
Slide: Reasons to doubt Russerts trial testimony:
You cannot rely on his testimony to convict another person.
First, he has no notes,
Second his trial testimony is inconsistent
Evidence shows Russert could have known about Wilson's wife, you know Gregory was told by Fleischer. Stipulation in evidence that time difference is such that Gregory is told at 8 in morning on 11th. And also you know that a lot other reporters knew. When reporters already knew, Cooper knews, Woodward knows. Novak knows. THey don't just sit on information, that info gets out.
In terms of Russert's credibility, we know he filed misleading affadavit with Hogan when he said he was protecting first amendment. He filed misleading affadavit. Ask yourselves, does that comport with what happened in November.
Russert gave misleading account to public. He never tells the public I had been called by FBI and discussed whole conversation freely.
Finally, Russert has memory problems. He forgot a very important telephone call that involved himself involving the Buffalo news. He had to write public letter of apology, where he had to regret for not recollecting something. He was candid at the time, the only thing that shook that confidence was that he had a note. There's no note in this case, you can't have reasonable doubt. You can't decide that's firm and convincing evidence of guilt.
Shows Russert's two inconsistent testimonies.
You look at Eckenrode affadavit, it was one, possibly two calls.
Russert oculd have told about Wilson's wife prior to July 14, you know Gregory story, Novak story.
That's the affadavit, read paragraph 6. [Wow, Ted shouldn't be rushing through this, this is the actual evidence he has]
Misleading statements, on TV.
Can I play that clip?
[Sound's not on for us here.]
He just leaves out how he didn't talk to FBI.
Shows Buffalo News, this is Buffalo news part of the case. What you'll see, this was a serious attack on Russert's credibility, in that article, person wrote that Russert involved in cheap shot, that Russert like bull in china closet, he said Russert embarrassed himself and his profession. Russert picked up and called person. Said I demand an apology, then he's interviewed, says he didn't call the guy. Then the guys publish their own article. Tim, don't you remember?
[Reads headline accusing him of "public memory lapse"] I would ask you, do not indict on the word of someone suffering public memory lapse. The only reason he admitted he was wrong, is because he had a piece of paper. That's why you can't indict on he said she said testimony from a person like Mr Russert, it just would be wrong.
Lack of recollection on Libby' indictment. I don't recall, I don't recall, I don't recall. He was on the Today show, talking with Katie Couric, talking about how this is huge, says he doesn't recall any of it [Wells is switching the use of this evidence--originally it was introduced to make it appear that Russert WANTED Libby to be indicted, but now he's using it to hammer Russert for his memory]
[Plays Imus show] Didn't remember talking about Santa Claus. You cannot convict Libby solely on the word of this man. Again, you do not have to conclude that he was lying. Unlike other witnesses, he didn't admit his memory unreliable. He dug in. He said he believes it. The objective evidence shows he does have a faulty memory. You may decide, I'm not sure what happened. But that's not guilty. Maybe Russert is right and Libby is wrong. Remember, Novak says he may have said it to Libby at about the same time. Novak said he might have done it. It would have been natural for a reporter to have asked that question. Maybe Libby did nothing more than confuse Novak with Russert. That's what I mean, perhaps Libby is confused. There's no question he got some things wrong in the GJ. Same thing with Cooper, maybe he got Cooper confused with Russert. What it shows it's impossible to show with any degree of certainty that Libby is guilty of intentional lies.
That's where govt has falled shown.
How's my time?
Walton: You've got an hour 10 left.
Wells, evidence shows Russert conversation is unnecessary, He wouldn't have to concoct a story with Russert, his testimony is that on the same day Rove told him that Novak was writing an article and knew he was writing a story about Plame. It is a point that blows up entire story. [Hey, Wells, any reason you didn't put Rove on the stand so you had corrboration for this?]
Meat grinder. Best evidence for Libby's state of mind.
Concerned not about his job, but about being scapegoat.
Best evidence of innocence. Fitzgerald showed opening statement. But he didn't read it the same way I did. To get WH PS to clear him the way ROve had been cleared. He laid out the whole story, Only I showed you the note.
I'm going to finish this section, judge. Just right now (gives page number). They [Card and McC] both blew him off. This is Mr Fitz, asking a question. And Scooter Libby is sitting out there alone as someone whose named not cleared. I don't care what word you use, he had to go all the way to the VP to get cleared.
This is Libby describing to VP, I thought it was unfair since I didn't talk to NOvak either. See, Rove had lied, Rove did talk to Novak, Rove lied, Scooter Libby did not lie. [a little jury nullifaction with your lunch, folks?] Continues to go through the meat grinder lie. In GJ they explain that Libby had to go out and adress others. Incompetence of others is incompetence of CIA that let 16 words in SOTU. If you thought you had done something the last thing you would do is go to Card, then McC, then VP, only an innocent person would do that.
Walton: Break for lunch. Come back at 1:40. I'd ask to have everyone back at 25 to 2. Repeats warnings.
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EPU’d from last thread:
I don’t mean to nit-pic, but did Z really have to insert that?
sigh
So, personal attacks on government prosecutors is a defense? Just wondering.
-S
emptywheel!
Terre @ 2
I am wondering if Marcy’s flying fingers just missed the “t”, that is this case is not about a WH conspiracy (among other things). A very important point to emphasize to the jury.
Wells: It’s all about me.
I am noticing that Mr. Wells is a very dramatic speaker.
Oh yes, the “Sulk” defence.
By the prosecution’s summation, you’re going to need a lot more than that!
BTW, Long time lurker. Awesome work to all on the live-blogging team, and everyone who has obsessed about this. Thank you for doing this. And I’ll be thanking you in the appropriate manner as well…
Terre @
2
EPU’d from last thread:
I don’t mean to nit-pic, but did Z really have to insert that?
sigh
My EPU’d response:
Terre, he’s not saying that there wasn’t a WH conspiracy. He’s just saying that it’s not what’s being tried here.
See, Wells and Co. want to muddy the waters by making the jury feel sowwwwy for powwwwr brwaaain-damaged widdle Scooter-wooter, doing what his mean boss Unka Dicky told him to do. This is done in the hopes that the jury will decide that pooowwrrr widdle Scooter-wooter is more sinned against than sinning and thus decide not to convict even though he’s manifestly guilty. (When you hear Fitzy talking disgustedly about “jury nullification”, that’s what he’s talking about: The defense convincing the jury to let a guilty man go free.)
Z. is reminding the jurors that far from being a poor widdle brain-damaged memory-deficient victim, Scooter Libby actively connived in the whole Plamegate affair — and lied under oath to conceal key facts about it.
Strategerie @
3
Must be part of the jury-nullification strategy: “Pooowwwrr bwaaain-damaged Scooter-Wooter wuz onlwy doowing what mean ol’ Unka Dick tol’ him to do! And Fitzy eats boogers! So acquit Scooter!”
EPU’d:
Zeidenberg rocks – in an old-fashioned way. He’s nailing the complexity down in plain view. Now Walton gets to try to cover up the coverup.
I figured out why Fitz hasn’t said anything about Toensing. ‘Cause she’s going to be indicted should evidence show the B-1 WaPo headline got through to a juror. And it just might show already. Probably a juror has quietly complained to Walton.
It’s only a matter of time before Wells introduces the Wookie.
Fitz may have to perform a clean-up on Aisle 5 before he can refocus the jury.
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I realize that PW @ #9. I just hate the thought of that phrase being “out there” IF Fitz hones in on Cheney next.
Now I ask you, how many 10 year olds do you know who would want to spend their birthday with Dick Cheney (or any Cheney for that matter!)?
Phoenix Woman @ 10
“Peter Z doesn’t like me. That means my client’s innocent.”
I’m not a defense attorney, and I don’t even play one on TV. I realize it’s early and the jury are the final deciders. I can’t help but think, though — they spent five million for this?
-S
Strategerie @ 16
They spent it to find out what Fitz knows and let Libby go to a prison farm until the pardon
Woodhall Hollow @ 15
It could have been worse. At least they didn’t go hunting.
My day gig productivity today will be nil. Will Fitz himself be doing the final rebuttal/close?
_
“Damn Wells is setting himself to get REAMED since the note says nothing about Rove.”
It will be interesting to see Fitz dance around how it doesn’t say Rove but does suggest the President’s involvement.
OK, where’s the logic in arguing that only an innocent person would ask to be cleared? That line resulted in a furrowed brow the first time the defense used it; my brow is furrowed again. Let me get this straight: Only an innocent man would request that his name be cleared. Only an innocent man . . .
They’ve gotta be kidding.
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Pat @ 21
Seriously. That is quite a Freudian slip, there. It was worth mentioning that at this point, NO ONE had accused Libby of anything. If he were *truly* innocent, he wouldn’t have anything to worry about would he?
And it is not as if Libby really thought that the FBI was getting info about the case via Scottie’s press conferences.
Terre @ 2
I think he might have meant conspiracy against Libby (as Defense implied in opening statement)- not conspiracy against Plame.
I hope the jurors are having as much trouble following Well’s logic as I am. He rambles.
Terre @ 2
He was talking about no WH conspiracy to scapegoat Libby. He wasn’t saying there wasn’t a WH conspiracy to go after Wilson by outting his wife.
Wasn’t all the stuff about the logistics of the syndicators’ feed objected out of Novak’s testimony, because he couldn’t be a specific witness of fact?
Channeling Yogi Berra or something…..
JFinNE @ 26
I can understand throwing the kitchen sink at the jury to make the case seem more complex than the prosecution argues, but there’s a point at which they’ll just zone out.
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Ed*ard Teller @
11
Did you mean to say Walton?
Hey everybody, this is so great down in New Orleans we decided to take the day off. Happy Fitz Tuesday!
I was wrong above, Toensing chat doesn’t start for another hour, apologies.
john casper – believe it was Unca TBogg – and caught your name over there – I am ‘merrilywerollalong’ at bottom of page 48
localroger @ 33
Everywhere else it’s Happy Fitz Tuesday — New Orleans it’s Mardi Gras. Happy Fitz Tuesday and Happy Mardi Gras.
So Wells is rambling and logic-twisting. He has to fill up 3 hours with something.
Thanks cbl, I’m following your wonderful gabbly chat, just don’t have time to jump in. Mad props to TBogg.
I am enjoying the “poor poor Libby” tone. ANd now I’ve put my finger on what Wells sounds like: Bush!
I wonder if Walton will give an instructtion to the jury on the points Wells is making for which there is no evidence in the record (e.g. the workings of the AP, Russert’s memory on other matters the day of testimony.)
I love the picture up top.
You have to wonder why he is smiling like that.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
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sorry – Wells & team Libby in latter reference…
A good theme for Fitz to pick up on would be the “Time Machine”. Wells said he couldn’t go back in a time machine to write a note, but this is exactly what Libby is trying to do with his defense: go back and rewrite the facts and the timeline.
Wells: “Maybe I was drunk….”
Pls. join Andrea Mitchell at Betty Ford once this thing is all over, Ted……
Ooooh – the “innocent, guilty, not proven” bullshit.
Wells is toast and he knows it.
Small point…it is ANDREWS AFB…Edwards is in CA
he just checked his on line banking
It’s Looseheadprop’s “Scottish defense!” HAHAHAHA!
Over at chat, we’re hoping that Fitz doesn’t object unless something egregious comes up: that would just force the jury to pay attention to Wells.
Just start the rebuttal by joking about how Wells has left even him confused, so let’s look at the facts to see where things really stand.
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I can’t get over the fact that he made that crack abut he must be drunk, because he sure is reambling along in a very non-linear fashion. Like he was high or something.
But even if he is not drunk, I bet he wishes he was. And I bet he is looking forward to not having to spend *this* evening with Scooter Libby, whom he must be pretty tired of by now.
I sure am looking forward to someone knowledgeable to summarize Well’s argument for me when he’s done. Right now, it looks like complete hash to me.
I am certainly worried that at least one juror will fall into this mess.
Advice again on getting to the other chat? When I hit the link, the little box shows up, but the timer thingy just keeps going round and round.
Thanx.
Will check back when I am done preparing ANOTHER bowl of popcorn.
Which is why Fitz is being very, very cagey with what he lets slip. Another reason for the tight focus on the actual offense for which Scooter’s being charged.
EllenG @ 25
Good point. I’m breathing easier now. Thanks. :o)
You know I’ve been a trial lawyer for a long time now and I’m pretty sure I’ve never heard a lawyer start their summation with…
MAYBE I WAS DRUNK
That’s some “smooooooooooooooooth” lawyerin’
Hey, FITZY! Over here!
Though I’m betting that Fitz’s people probably already know about this. They probably read FDL like everyone else. ;-)
Attaturk @ 56
Didn’t Andrea Mitchell use the “maybe I was drunk” defense to publicly explain her televised statement that “everyone knew” about Plame’s identity.
Wells is in great company.
No crime to make a mistake….It’s the Mary Matalin/Victoria Toensing defense.
Not completely OT: Dan Eggen is doing a WaPo chat on the fired U.S. Attorneys. His article said that one U.S. Attorney who was asked to resign is in negotiations with DOJ to keep his or her job. [Is this person Fitz? Nobody knows.] Eggen says as far as he knows this person is not in the West (most of the fired Attorneys are in Western states).
I wonder how many of the juror’s kids have ever gone on AF2 for their birthday. That should play well.
My goodness.
You don’t suppose he’s going for a “My client had an incompetent defense attorney” appeal, do you?
Attaturk @ 56
That’s Wells, tryin’ to be folksy.
But, really, it seems he’s just flinging crap at the wall trying to find some which will stick. I’ve already seen “Scotch verdict”, deception as to what the charges and their elements really are, “madness” (dog-whistle for jury nullification), and “I am an important (great) man, and The Rules Don’t Apply To Me.”
I’m fully expecting an objection on the jury nullification argument. Which would be sustained.
Best thing Wells could do for his client would be to sit down, shut up, and let Jeffress close.
There’s a madness, even putting the question, the notion that someone woudl get charged with this.
There’s that jury nullification thing again. It’s just so unfair that those crazy prosecutors would even charge poor Mr. Libby, you have to acquit him.
zeppo @ 52
What zeppo said. I’m refreshing comments only at this point. Could someone post when there is a new thread, or if Wells says something that goes beyond the pale?
Wells: I don’t get to respond, but this is an important trial, and I represent an important person, so I want you to think about how I would respond…If you hear something that is new, I want you think, what would Wells and Jeffress say that is new.
Who else thinks this is going to backfire? Libby more important than Plame/US People? And “what would Wells say?” he’s drunk again?
Oh crap, is it my imagination, or did Wells just use looseheadprop’s post as part of his defense???
Boston1775, dab_CT — leave me a comment at my blog so I can reach you. Click on my name, then go to the main page.
Margot @ 62
The defense attorney’s response to that appeal is “he was patently guilty, and I did the best I could with the manure sandwich I was dealt”. It usually works. This is the same reason so few criminal defense attorneys have to worry about malpractice suits – that’s their own best defense.
I think that Wells screwed up badly with this…
They aren’t “beating on him, asking the same question time after time after time”. hopefully, Fitz will point this out to the Grand Jury — that this information was volunteered, not “beaten out” of Libby….
Phoenix Woman @ 57
it’s not in fitz’s nature, but man I would love to see him go here;
“is this a culture of lies for everyone involved?’
he would go on to have the court recorder read back well’s statement demonstrating clear lies to the jury as we speak
Good call on the Scottish defense, LHP!
Attaturk @ 56
Is that the famous “Mardi Gras Defense”
p.lukasiak @ 69
It’s the “24″ defense….they beat those lies out of him.
Pat @
21
And won’t the jury think,”An innocent man would go to the FBI.”
Last week, when he was talking to David Shuster, Imus said about the Libby case: Everybody lied.
A longtime lurker, just wanted to say two things
1. You guys are amazing and I can’t thank you enough for all your hard work and excellent analysis of these precedings.
2. Is anyone else as amazed as I am that these guys are planning to go on another TWO HOURS with such an incredibly lame defense.. if I was a juror I would have already tuned them out and the next two hours are just going to make me even more annoyed… (yes I know they didn’t mind dragging it out during the trial (Russert’s cross exam) but it just seems a very bad strategy to me…)
zeppo @
52
If the jury says guilty, do they blame it on Wells being a Dem?
Biodun @ 75
Imus has his cowboy hat on too tight.
Terre @
2
My EPU’d response from last thead:
From the context of Z’s presentation I read it as refuting defense bullshit — ie
This is a case about lying,
not a case about “WH conspiracy to scapegoat Libby and save Karl Rove,”
not a case about NBC conspiracy to “get back at Scooter Libby & OVP”
This is the most amazing live-blogging I have seen yet. Marcy, there must be tiny brains in each one of your fingers. Typing and thinking and retorting all at the same time…truly amazing!
zeppo @ 52
You and me both. It will be a tribute to Fitz team’s expertise if they can steer the dimmest bulb on the jury away from Wells team’s obfuscations. HopeHope… and WorryWorry…
It would be great if Fitz began the rebuttal with something like:
“I KNOW that I”M not drunk because I approach charges of perjury and obstruction of justice by one of our nation’s most powerful men with the utmost sobriety. I am sure you, the jury, do as well.”
“I forgot.” “We were having a birthday party on Air Force Two with Vice President Cheney.” “Maybe I was drunk.”
That about sums up the Republican spin machine.
Thanks GE @ 79,
You’re the 2nd that’s commented with that interpretation. Hopefully that means I’m in the minority with my initial impression.
S.O.S. in MA @ 81
Hopefully if anyone on that jury is all that gullible, they will also be malleable enough to be persuaded by more intelligent & discerning fellow jurors. My money is on whoever was passing those questions along to Walton.
Stratergerie @ 19
The 5 million also includes having to sqeeze information out of Chewdy, Chewdy , Chewdy. And Fitz has somebody in a courtroom facing a jury. Contrast that with $50 mil. 10 years and NO ONE charged unless you include the McDougals. His guilt had nothing to do with the federal gov’t and his wife just told Ken Starr to fu*k off because she wouldn’t let him put words in her mouth.( that may be the wrong way of putting it)
My thoughts are this may not be over even after this trial. So many (not you) are trying to minimize this situation. Larry Johnson is the best source of possible damage done by the scurilious act. Bush and Cheney may have had the authorization to declassify the NIE but not to out a CIA agent. They say she wasn’t undercover. How do they know that when once an agent becomes a NOC they are one forever. What happened to the Brewster-Jennings apparatus? Those that worked for it and with it? I would like to see them spend $50 mil. to bring down these traitorous bastards.
If there are any lawyers reading, or anyone who has knowledge of juries, I have a question that’s been naggin’ at me for 3 days now….
Since the Grand Jury indicted scoots, will that have any bearing on how the jury will decide?
I keep thinking that if I were on the jury I would have to take into consideration that if the grand Jury thought there was enough evidence to charge him with these crimes, it would certainly make me lean that way also.
Well’s is using one of my ploys.If you can’t convince them,confuse them.
Froggermarch comment 18
Tooooooo funny!!!!
Now I ask you, how many 10 year olds do you know who would want to spend their birthday with Dick Cheney (or any Cheney for that matter!)?
It could have been worse. At least they didn’t go hunting.
I wonder if the jury gets to ask questions on 3×5 cards after summations. Heh heh.
coupla things to attack here
he in fact does recall…he recalls specifically learning and being shocked from Libby’s account
calling that a mistake is calling him a liar or delusional
Woodhall Hollow @ 24
I don’t get this either. Libby goes to Cheney and says, “I’ve done nothing wrong, I’ve talked to no one, you’ve got to get Scottiebot to clear me like he did for Karl.” Which is FALSE because Libby HAS talked to people. So how is that evidence of innocence? In order to find demanding an exculpation exculpatory, you have to disregard Libby’s own testimony about his conversations with Cooper and Russert, because by his own account “the wife” came up.
I’m a lawyer and so far, Wells is off to a poor start. It’s like someone said of Los Angeles, “There is no ‘there’ there.”
Jo @
76
It’s all they got!
But I agree. The dullness of this argument is deafening – the drone of ennui…
Hey guys. Things. First, the “not a conspiracy” that a lot of you asked about–that is correct. But the point is that Zeidenberg was talking about the charges. He said no one charged conspiracy, then went on to mock Wells’ suggested conspiracy.
Also, I’m off to lunch, we’ll be back in justunder an hour. Have fun!
drunk and Perry Mason, too!
thanks so much for this.
I envision much eyerolling by the jurors… (i hope!) I know mine are spinning in their sockets.
Joysness – In theory no, but in practice yes – I believe juries are influenced by the mere fact that the person has been brought to trial that they did “something” criminal – and that is whether they understand the GJ process or not. In the same way that even though jurors aren’t supposed to infer guilt from the fact a defendant doesn’t testify in their own behalf, the reality of human nature most likely means that they do.
Others may disagree with me.
pseudonymous in nc @ 28
Yes. He couldn’t say when other reporters would have been able to access it. And plus, wasn’t Russert’s phone call BEFORE Novakula finished writing the article, let alone before it was available “on the wire”?
joysness @ 87
That a grand jury indicted should not be a consideration. I imagine there will be an instruction by the judge to that effect. There may even have been something to that effect in the orientation information given the the jurors at the start of the trial. That said jurors make up their minds for different reasons and we know from post trial interviews that the fact that a prosecutor makes a charge or the fact that the police make an arrest is sometimes a reason (along with all the other evidence at trial) for jurors finding someone guilty.
So he’s Paul Mason, not Perry Mason.
angie @ 95
So he’s Paul Mason, not Perry Mason.
Is it true the jury are all wearing t-shirts saying “GUILTY” ?
Just kidding.
Interesting how Wells tries the not proven gambit
legaleze @ 93
Gertrude Stein said this of Oakland.
Or were you pointing out in a subtle way that Wells is getting everything wrong?
joysness @ 87
The presumption of innocence, and the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard, are supposed to combat this. All a GJ does in an indictment is find that there is evidence to support each element, not that there is sufficient evidence to convict, and a GJ indictment does NOT take into account any defenses, impeachment of witnesses, etc.
Having said that, yes, it’s the greatest nightmare of a defense lawyer, that just being accused of a crime will translate into some jurors’ minds as being almost enough proof, in and of itself, to make someone guilty. But it’s not supposed to.
new thread
Evil Parallel Universe @ 97
Exactly. Which is why so many innocent people end up on death row. Study after study has shown that most US citizens (ie, jurors) believe that if you hadn’t done something wrong, the police wouldn’t have arrested you for anything.
Fabulous liveblogging, EW!
Thanks so much for your efforts!
Nan
rayne – your blog doesn’t allow me to post a comment. Do I need to register first? If so, I can’t find a registration link
I don’t understand how Wells can refer to Libby’s conversations with Card, Scottie, etc. No one has testified about those conversations.
They’ve played the GJ testimony for the jury, but I don’t see how the defense can offer that testimony for the truth of the matter asserted. If something was true just because Libby told it to the GJ, then we wouldn’t have a perjury case in the first place. It seems like a clever way to save him from having to testify about his conversations with Rove et al., but I don’t see how he gets away with it.
Wells pulled a bait-and-switch in his approach to the Russert counts.
He opened by dividing the elements of the conversation into two separate chunks: (1) Russert informing Libby of the involvement of Wilson’s wife and (2) Libby expressing his surprise at this information. He did this so that he could hammer away on Russert’s tattered credibility, and inflate the importance of his recollections. He announced that he would address the first half of this, before returning to the second.
He then spent the next half hour doing a reasonably effective job of suggesting that Tim Russert is only human, and that he is prone to lapses and contradictions in his memory. In fact, I’d venture to say that if this case hinged on Russert’s recollection of the conversation, Wells might have succeeded in raising reasonable doubts.
The problem here is that Wells never returned to address section (2). That’s the element that elevates the dispute from he-said-she-said, to clear evidence of a deliberate and calculating lie. It’s simply not plausible to believe that after Scooter had discussed Wilson’s status on eight separate occasions and then, as he alleges, forgotten about it – that he could subsequently have been surprised upon being reminded. That part of the conversation is a clear lie, based upon the extensive testimony from multiple, unimpeachable witnesses presented by the prosecution.
Wells has been attempting to dissaggregate these two parts of the conversation, and to persuade the jury that the credibility of the first half of Libby’s claim (that Russert told him) is unrelated to the credibility of the second half (that Libby was surprised by this information). Look for Fitz to put the pieces back together, and to point out that if Libby was lying about the second part, he cannot be believed about the first.
Marcy, Christy…if you’re not at lunch, could you let us know what the reaction is — either in the media room or in the courtroom — to Wells’ remarks? Reading Marcy’s post, Wells’ remarks are coming across as totally chaotic ramblings.
Is there any visible reaction there? How does he come across live?
LindaR @ 103
Wells may be getting everything wrong, but I misquoted Stein. Nevertheless, Wells’ closing lacks focus; it’s difficult to follow and may be losing the jury. But if all Wells needs to do is convince one juror of reasonable doubt then there is some sense to his approach. Based on what I’ve read of Wells closing so far, I’d venture that if he plants a seed of doubt in the mind of one or three jurors, that doubt will be washed away during deliberations as the majority (perhaps I am assuming/speculating way too much here) press for a conviction on at least one or more of the charges. More to the point, I don’t find Wells the least bit persuasive.
95 @ 110
EXCELLENT POINT!
“See, Rove had lied, Rove did talk to Novak, Rove lied, Scooter Libby did not lie.”
Someone better find a new pair of boxers for Karl. I would bet he just messed the ones he’s wearing.
I think that Fitz totally pulled a fast one with Wells and the time. If Z had really spoken for 2 hours and Fitz would have objected to a few things, most of Well’s closing would have come after lunch- giving Fitz only a very short time to prepare rebuttal. Keeping Z’s short Fitz now can spend lunch getting ready and has plenty of time to do it.
Also, love the way they are trying to say Cooper’s notes don’t even mention Plame, yet even Libby says she was discussed – as far as I am concerned, this really buttresses the accuracy of Cooper’s testimony.
Since it is Shrove Tuesday, I can understand Jeralyn’s use of the reminder you that “there are two sides to every pancake”. In fact, my wife and I are going to a pancake dinner at the Church Parish Hall tonight. OTOH, in general I prefer the analogy that “there are two sides to every piece of toast”. Libby is definitely toast! Comparing what we have seen of the summaries so far, how could anyone find for the defendent?
As an aside, I am beginning to think that emptywheel is from outer space. Perhaps an alien, but more likely an angel. It is just not possible for a mere human to type this fast, let alone add the “on target” comments at the same time. WOW! I love it!
Also keep in mind that if Libby was not charged with conspiracy in this case, that means that there is no double jeopardy for him to be charged with it in a later indictment.
Gertrude Stein said this of Oakland.
A popular misconception, but what Ms. Stein was referring to was the house in Oakland that she lived in as a child. When she went back, it was gone – hence, “There is no ‘there’ there.”
She wasn’t making a point about the desirablity of Oakland as a place.
I found it interesting that Z was laying landmines for the memory defense — and so far it seems to be working — I know that Wells is in a box with respect to memory, but he so far hasn’t said much about it.
We’ll see what happens after lunch.
Thad
95 @ 110
THis is a point I made at lunch. Wells will return to it–it’ll be the last hour of the defense. And I do think he disaggregated it to hide that they’re related and that, in fact, this case does not depend on just two journalists. By disaggregating it, I presume he wants the jury to forget htat he just said it was only about 2 journalists.
Bedrock principals of American Justice.
I like them.
Why is this administration (Libby included) working so hard to destroy them?
I’m having a little bit of a hard time reading this transcript. I wonder if Wells has worn out his welcome with the jury too.
Somehow these closing statements (especially the prosecution ) have reminded me of how bad I feel for the Wilsons.
Terry Olson @ 120
Fitz might note that hypocrisy in his rebuttal, and note that Libby now seeks to take advantage of the principles he would deny to others. But Fitz should follow with the command that the jurors give Fitz the thorough benefit of all these bedrock principles, then find Libby guilty, so there is no doubt that the trial was fair and that the evidence was sufficient to eliminate all reasonable doubt from the minds of jurors as to Libby’s guilt.
If you (plural) were involved in a possibly criminal activity and were possibly going to need an alibi in the future to cover what you were doing, wouldn’t you “plant” the alibi with an easy mark, someone whose credibility could be challenged – especially if other people involved in the possible criminal activity had knowledge of the potential credibility weaknesses of the person you were all choosing to plant the alibi with?
Mark @ 88
ie, if you can’t flummox them with facts, baffle them with bullshit, eh? That ploy ALWAYS works for me. (Sometimes).
That’s Wells defending Libby.
Tell that to the kids in Iraq.
The note not only doesn’t say that there WAS a conspiracy. it doesn’t say that Libby is INNOCENT…it just says that ONE aide should not be protected while sacrificing the one asked by
the Pres.to put his neck in the meatgrinder.That says nada about “innocence”. It says loads about an effort to CLAIM INNOCENCE. And note that this is coming from THE MAN that already told Libby on June 6th (or 12th) about Wilson’s wife…and ordered him to leak the NIE to reporters. So much for the feigned assertions of innocence about firing anyone who leaked classified information…or not attacking Wilson or other critics through a litany of leaks.
Here. indeed, is one more time that the VP could have said to Libby…but I DID tell you…clearly CHENEY would have been covering up for Libby!
Indeed, Libby knew that ROVE had spoken to Novak and confirmed that Plame worked at the CIA…so he KNEW that Rove wasn’t innocent EITHER.
He simply wanted the same “Get Out of Jail Free” Card that Rove was obtaining.
There is no reference to his “innocence” in that note. It’s exactly what would be expected in a cover-up.
“I want you to be critical thinkers.”
I think I’d feel kind of insulted…
Sparkles the Iguana @ 48
And Well’s also said “Maybe I was drunk”…
Great Well’s is introducing Scottish Law while drunk…
Maybe this is going to be used as grounds for appeal!
BTW When Wells says “some European Countries allow for ‘not proved’” I wonder if he realizes that Scotland isn’t a COUNTRY…and if he can name ONE OTHER place that such a sentence option is offered!
OMG, I do *not* believe that Wells was side-tracked with a “yo mamma…” gambit at the *beginning* of his remarks.
I. Do. Not. Believe. This.
Wells sets aside remarks he’s worked on for however long, to do a playground-ish rebuttal to “personal attacks on me, wah, waaah”.
If I was in the jury I would think, “This man is a total fool for not giving his prepared statement first”. And if I were a potential client, I would be an EX-potential client.
Un. B. Lievable.