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		<title>By: whack</title>
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		<dc:creator>whack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very simply, you’ve done a huge service with your coverage of the trials.  I am in awe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Lexie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/indicting-dick/#comment-514276</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that when they say they were “obsessed with getting Iraq right,” they mean they were obsessed with getting the Iraq disinformation campaign right. I think you can just add “disinformation campaign” to every noun that they use to describe what they are doing. For example, Bush said that correcting the problems of healthcare system is very important. I do not happen to believe it is important to him at all. However, if he rephrased it to “The healthcare system disinformation campaign is important,” I would believe him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that when they say they were “obsessed with getting Iraq right,” they mean they were obsessed with getting the Iraq disinformation campaign right. I think you can just add “disinformation campaign” to every noun that they use to describe what they are doing. For example, Bush said that correcting the problems of healthcare system is very important. I do not happen to believe it is important to him at all. However, if he rephrased it to “The healthcare system disinformation campaign is important,” I would believe him.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin jones</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/indicting-dick/#comment-514274</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have lived in hope that Fitzgerald’s rather trivial (as regards the actual espionage treasonous crime) indictment and prosecution of Libby was designed to root out the facts of the crime itself and the real mother of it.&lt;br /&gt;
If so, his strategy worked rather well as the trial made it clear that Cheney was the leak-inventor, purveyor of the information on Plame and designer of the scheme to take vengeance on Wilson. And it was further obvious that Libby would never make such momentous moves except on his orders. Apparently Cheney didn’t even leave the smallest most irrelevant decisions to subordinates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s one question however that haunts me. Why didn’t Fitzgerald put Cheney on the stand and see if he is as honest as Clinton was or what. It would all be sworn-under-oath testimony that could be revisited should Cheney himself go on trial. The arrogant prick just might have lost his temper and really blown it. Any number of things could have happened; all good. There is no way he could have saved Libby or escaped with his own skin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, if Cheney is indicted and tried, he can avoid the witness stand altogether.&lt;br /&gt;
Fitzgerald is a smart guy, but I think he missed a golden opportunity to get to the truth and the  criminal mastermind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in hope that Fitzgerald’s rather trivial (as regards the actual espionage treasonous crime) indictment and prosecution of Libby was designed to root out the facts of the crime itself and the real mother of it.<br />
If so, his strategy worked rather well as the trial made it clear that Cheney was the leak-inventor, purveyor of the information on Plame and designer of the scheme to take vengeance on Wilson. And it was further obvious that Libby would never make such momentous moves except on his orders. Apparently Cheney didn’t even leave the smallest most irrelevant decisions to subordinates.</p>
<p>There’s one question however that haunts me. Why didn’t Fitzgerald put Cheney on the stand and see if he is as honest as Clinton was or what. It would all be sworn-under-oath testimony that could be revisited should Cheney himself go on trial. The arrogant prick just might have lost his temper and really blown it. Any number of things could have happened; all good. There is no way he could have saved Libby or escaped with his own skin.</p>
<p>Now, if Cheney is indicted and tried, he can avoid the witness stand altogether.<br />
Fitzgerald is a smart guy, but I think he missed a golden opportunity to get to the truth and the  criminal mastermind.</p>
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		<title>By: melior</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/indicting-dick/#comment-514144</link>
		<dc:creator>melior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ooh ooh, I’ve got an addition:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sunday, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/&quot;&gt;September 14, 2003: Press The Meat&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
GUEST: Dick Cheney, vice president Tim Russert, moderator&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson.&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t [know] who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;————&lt;br /&gt;
By the way, this interview seems to be almost entirely composed of an impressive number of outlandish Cheney claims that with today’s knowledge are obvious whoppers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of my particular favorites:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So I say I’m not willing at all at this point to buy the proposition that somehow Saddam Hussein was innocent and he had no WMD and some guy out at the CIA, because I called him, cooked up a report saying he did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s crazy. That makes no sense. It bears no resemblance to reality whatsoever.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Find your own!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh ooh, I’ve got an addition:</p>
<p>Sunday, <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/">September 14, 2003: Press The Meat</a><br />
GUEST: Dick Cheney, vice president Tim Russert, moderator</p>
<blockquote><p>VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson.<br />
…<br />
I don’t [know] who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back.</p>
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<p>————<br />
By the way, this interview seems to be almost entirely composed of an impressive number of outlandish Cheney claims that with today’s knowledge are obvious whoppers.</p>
<p>One of my particular favorites:</p>
<blockquote><p>So I say I’m not willing at all at this point to buy the proposition that somehow Saddam Hussein was innocent and he had no WMD and some guy out at the CIA, because I called him, cooked up a report saying he did.</p>
<p>That’s crazy. That makes no sense. It bears no resemblance to reality whatsoever.</p>
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<p>Find your own!</p>
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		<title>By: stingray</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/indicting-dick/#comment-514057</link>
		<dc:creator>stingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reading between the lines of Fitz’s closing statement it’s pretty clear that his team is a massive wrecking ball. It has perfect aim and has full momentum.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They were very effective on Libby’s motivation. Let’s see if they are effective enough to unravel Cheney’s too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do believe that, for better or worse, we are in for an even heavier prosecution of lies and motivation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The WHIG’s sell job to Congress and America was blatantly illegal and the casualties will not be relegated to only the sands of Iraq. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The sand had a much different origin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As was said: The public deserves to know the truth. That is what sustains us as a model society, if we can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading between the lines of Fitz’s closing statement it’s pretty clear that his team is a massive wrecking ball. It has perfect aim and has full momentum.</p>
<p>They were very effective on Libby’s motivation. Let’s see if they are effective enough to unravel Cheney’s too.</p>
<p>I do believe that, for better or worse, we are in for an even heavier prosecution of lies and motivation. </p>
<p>The WHIG’s sell job to Congress and America was blatantly illegal and the casualties will not be relegated to only the sands of Iraq. </p>
<p>The sand had a much different origin.</p>
<p>As was said: The public deserves to know the truth. That is what sustains us as a model society, if we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/indicting-dick/#comment-514017</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mason/Cinnamonape:&lt;br /&gt;
Here’s a try at a Pacer link on Walton’s decision about Fitzgerald’s powers (pacer says there’s no charge for the memorandum opinions, so maybe the link will work?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl?817014275062832-L_186_0-1&quot;&gt;https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl?817014275062832-L_186_0-1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the link doesn’t work, on p 22, the Court holds that the “Special Counsel’s jurisdiction is restricted to the investigation and prosecution of the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee’s identity and violations of federal law that arise during the course of that investigation.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p. 26 “Moreover, it is axiomatic that, at any time, the Deputy Attorney General who delegated to the Special Counsel his authority may revoke that delegation.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.27 “His authority is therefore confined to the narrow objective of accomplishing the specific mandate he was given.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p28 “Here, the Special Counsel is essentially removable at will by the Deputy Attorney General.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p. 29 “Specifically, the Special Counsel ‘can only act within the scope of the jurisdiction that has been granted by the [Deputy Attorney General]’”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason/Cinnamonape:<br />
Here’s a try at a Pacer link on Walton’s decision about Fitzgerald’s powers (pacer says there’s no charge for the memorandum opinions, so maybe the link will work?)</p>
<p><a href="https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl?817014275062832-L_186_0-1">https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl?817014275062832-L_186_0-1</a></p>
<p>If the link doesn’t work, on p 22, the Court holds that the “Special Counsel’s jurisdiction is restricted to the investigation and prosecution of the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee’s identity and violations of federal law that arise during the course of that investigation.”</p>
<p>p. 26 “Moreover, it is axiomatic that, at any time, the Deputy Attorney General who delegated to the Special Counsel his authority may revoke that delegation.”</p>
<p>p.27 “His authority is therefore confined to the narrow objective of accomplishing the specific mandate he was given.”</p>
<p>p28 “Here, the Special Counsel is essentially removable at will by the Deputy Attorney General.”</p>
<p>p. 29 “Specifically, the Special Counsel ‘can only act within the scope of the jurisdiction that has been granted by the [Deputy Attorney General]’”</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/indicting-dick/#comment-514007</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-513916&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;John Casper @&lt;br /&gt;
                180              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;J. Thomason  at 6:31 pm &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you make an excellent point about anti-modernity. I would nuance it a little more and say that they are selectively anti-modern. At Church on Sunday, the earth is 6,000 years old. The other six days a week they depend on science that knows that the earth’s age is 4 - 6 billion years old, to tell them where to drill for oil.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You still think oil is liquified ferns and dinosaurs, eh? Not so. God made the oil straight out. They just forgot to mention which day he made it in Genesis [probably the first - “heavens and earth”].&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-513916"><em>John Casper @<br />
                180              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>J. Thomason  at 6:31 pm </p>
<p>I think you make an excellent point about anti-modernity. I would nuance it a little more and say that they are selectively anti-modern. At Church on Sunday, the earth is 6,000 years old. The other six days a week they depend on science that knows that the earth’s age is 4 &#8211; 6 billion years old, to tell them where to drill for oil.</p>
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<p>You still think oil is liquified ferns and dinosaurs, eh? Not so. God made the oil straight out. They just forgot to mention which day he made it in Genesis [probably the first - “heavens and earth”].</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More EPU’d John @142 - yes, I think a taxpayer suit would be able to cover slightly different territory.  Basically, I think the whole of the MCA, without regard to habeas, is an unconstitutional bill of attander - allowing for pains and penalties based on Executive fiat (the MCA makes the President’s determination that someone was an illegal enemy combatant conclusive as to their status - a bill allowing an Executive to conclusively name anyone he wishes an enemy of the nation and mete out kidnapping and punishments including stripping, sleep deprivation, waterboarding, etc. - and all without any real trial (by the time status review tribunals were held, years after transport and detention, if those tribunals had found anyone was NOT an illegal enemy combatant, that would mean they had a “protected person” under the Geneva Conventions and that they had been engaged in years of serious breaches of the Conventions (aka war crimes) with respect to those detainees.  So a tribunal would have to de facto find that the US was engaged in war crimes if it found ANYONE to be other than an illegal enemy combatant.  That’s why everyone who was released was found to be “no longer” an enemy combatant.  Careful wording so that the war crimes can be evaded by label.  Unfortunately for them, Hamdan didn’t buy it. Unfortunately for our nation, Congress did and fell over themselves to enact the MCA.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But yes, I think its an unconstitutional bill of attainder, which could void other provisions, including the repeal of habeas.  There are also many arugments left unaddressed on habeas and the ultimate argument of, if Congress did have the power to repeal, could they repeal to facilitate an unconstitutional means - allowing Executive fiat detention and punishment specifically barred by the Consitution to continue without judicial review.  I think the answer is pretty clearly no, but I haven’t seen the argument really made strongly before a court and we have had some appointments that make you wonder about the continued validity of the Sup Ct - period.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More EPU’d John @142 &#8211; yes, I think a taxpayer suit would be able to cover slightly different territory.  Basically, I think the whole of the MCA, without regard to habeas, is an unconstitutional bill of attander &#8211; allowing for pains and penalties based on Executive fiat (the MCA makes the President’s determination that someone was an illegal enemy combatant conclusive as to their status &#8211; a bill allowing an Executive to conclusively name anyone he wishes an enemy of the nation and mete out kidnapping and punishments including stripping, sleep deprivation, waterboarding, etc. &#8211; and all without any real trial (by the time status review tribunals were held, years after transport and detention, if those tribunals had found anyone was NOT an illegal enemy combatant, that would mean they had a “protected person” under the Geneva Conventions and that they had been engaged in years of serious breaches of the Conventions (aka war crimes) with respect to those detainees.  So a tribunal would have to de facto find that the US was engaged in war crimes if it found ANYONE to be other than an illegal enemy combatant.  That’s why everyone who was released was found to be “no longer” an enemy combatant.  Careful wording so that the war crimes can be evaded by label.  Unfortunately for them, Hamdan didn’t buy it. Unfortunately for our nation, Congress did and fell over themselves to enact the MCA.  </p>
<p>But yes, I think its an unconstitutional bill of attainder, which could void other provisions, including the repeal of habeas.  There are also many arugments left unaddressed on habeas and the ultimate argument of, if Congress did have the power to repeal, could they repeal to facilitate an unconstitutional means &#8211; allowing Executive fiat detention and punishment specifically barred by the Consitution to continue without judicial review.  I think the answer is pretty clearly no, but I haven’t seen the argument really made strongly before a court and we have had some appointments that make you wonder about the continued validity of the Sup Ct &#8211; period.</p>
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		<title>By: John Casper</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;J. Thomason  at 6:31 pm &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you make an excellent point about anti-modernity. I would nuance it a little more and say that they are selectively anti-modern. At Church on Sunday, the earth is 6,000 years old. The other six days a week they depend on science that knows that the earth’s age is 4 - 6 billion years old, to tell them where to drill for oil.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Thomason  at 6:31 pm </p>
<p>I think you make an excellent point about anti-modernity. I would nuance it a little more and say that they are selectively anti-modern. At Church on Sunday, the earth is 6,000 years old. The other six days a week they depend on science that knows that the earth’s age is 4 &#8211; 6 billion years old, to tell them where to drill for oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EPU’d but cinnamonape - here’s a link to Fitzgerald’s filing,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/2006_03_17_governments_response_to_motion_to_dismiss.pdf&quot;&gt;http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/.....ismiss.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;where he lays out his position that he is not acting as an unconstitutionally appointed principal officer because the Acting Attorney General can remove him any time AT WILL. The Judge went with that argument in his ruling - it’s available from PACER and maybe elsewhere - I can get it through PACER but can’t link it for you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW - color me not such a Comey fan and not so in favor of handling the Congressional pressure for an Independent Prosecutor - who would have had a far broader scope - than the Spec Counsel vehicle that we ended up with - which have a very limited scope.   In essence, Comey protected the Exec from having anything other than a very very targeted investigation.  Fitzgerald, for example, couldn’t have filed charges on the leaked NIE - under his Spec COunsel appointment - if he had wanted to bc as per the appointment, he had a very narrow scope.  The leak of a particular item of classified information and any crimes arising from that investigation.  Not the leak of any ealier or other bits of classified info.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plenary authority to clean the second bicuspid isn’t going to help someone in need of a root canal in their molar.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IMO, we’d have been much better off if Comey hadn’t brokered the recusal deal and we’d had a full blown Indep. Counsel appointed (Fitzgerald or someone else).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EPU’d but cinnamonape &#8211; here’s a link to Fitzgerald’s filing,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/2006_03_17_governments_response_to_motion_to_dismiss.pdf">http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/&#8230;..ismiss.pdf</a></p>
<p>where he lays out his position that he is not acting as an unconstitutionally appointed principal officer because the Acting Attorney General can remove him any time AT WILL. The Judge went with that argument in his ruling &#8211; it’s available from PACER and maybe elsewhere &#8211; I can get it through PACER but can’t link it for you.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; color me not such a Comey fan and not so in favor of handling the Congressional pressure for an Independent Prosecutor &#8211; who would have had a far broader scope &#8211; than the Spec Counsel vehicle that we ended up with &#8211; which have a very limited scope.   In essence, Comey protected the Exec from having anything other than a very very targeted investigation.  Fitzgerald, for example, couldn’t have filed charges on the leaked NIE &#8211; under his Spec COunsel appointment &#8211; if he had wanted to bc as per the appointment, he had a very narrow scope.  The leak of a particular item of classified information and any crimes arising from that investigation.  Not the leak of any ealier or other bits of classified info.  </p>
<p>Plenary authority to clean the second bicuspid isn’t going to help someone in need of a root canal in their molar.</p>
<p>IMO, we’d have been much better off if Comey hadn’t brokered the recusal deal and we’d had a full blown Indep. Counsel appointed (Fitzgerald or someone else).</p>
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