
Wondering what the cost of six years of Republican neglect of the troops means? Read this:
On the worst days, soldiers say they feel like they are living a chapter of "Catch-22." The wounded manage other wounded. Soldiers dealing with psychological disorders of their own have been put in charge of others at risk of suicide.
Disengaged clerks, unqualified platoon sergeants and overworked case managers fumble with simple needs: feeding soldiers' families who are close to poverty, replacing a uniform ripped off by medics in the desert sand or helping a brain-damaged soldier remember his next appointment.
"We've done our duty. We fought the war. We came home wounded. Fine. But whoever the people are back here who are supposed to give us the easy transition should be doing it," said Marine Sgt. Ryan Groves, 26, an amputee who lived at Walter Reed for 16 months. "We don't know what to do. The people who are supposed to know don't have the answers. It's a nonstop process of stalling."
How dare Brit Hume of Faux News sit on the Sunday program yesterday and accuse Rep. Jack Murtha of not understanding the reality of things on the ground. Rep. Murtha visits Walter Reed on a weekly basis, and he regularly meets privately with the brass at the Pentagon and asks them to be honest — really honest — about how things really are, not just the current public PR Snow Job.
Here's some reality, Brit: take some of your big time newsboy paycheck and donate it to help the families of soldiers and the soldiers themselves. Volunteer some of your time at a local VA hospital. Volunteer some time helping to do repairs at the home of a widow of one of our soldiers killed in combat — because she can't afford to call a plumber to come and fix her problem.
But if you aren't doing any of these things, if you are not getting up off your pampered ass and actually DOING tangible things to help our troops and their families? Then your opinion is meaningless to me, Brit. I live in West Virginia, surrounded by the families and friends of folks who have served in and out of Afghanistan and Iraq. I see the cost of George Bush's failures every single day.
This is the cost of all that cheerleading for a war of choice (H/T Americablog):
Finally, the yawning hulk sits up in bed. "Okay, baby," he says. An American flag T-shirt is stretched over his chest. He reaches for his dog tags, still the devoted soldier of 19 years, though his life as a warrior has become a paradox. One day he's led on stage at a Toby Keith concert with dozens of other wounded Operation Iraqi Freedom troops from Mologne House, and the next he's sitting in a cluttered cubbyhole at Walter Reed, fighting the Army for every penny of his disability.
McLeod, 41, has lived at Mologne House for a year while the Army figures out what to do with him. He worked in textile and steel mills in rural South Carolina before deploying. Now he takes 23 pills a day, prescribed by various doctors at Walter Reed. Crowds frighten him. He is too anxious to drive. When panic strikes, a soldier friend named Oscar takes him to Baskin-Robbins for vanilla ice cream.
"They find ways to soothe each other," Annette says.
Mostly what the soldiers do together is wait: for appointments, evaluations, signatures and lost paperwork to be found. It's like another wife told Annette McLeod: "If Iraq don't kill you, Walter Reed will."
In what universe is this acceptable? You send these soldiers off to have their bodies and their spirits broken in a war that you chose to start, because you, the President of the United States — the commander of the most powerful military force on our planet — got into a pissing match with an equally egotistical dictator, throwing rhetoric and insults back and forth without ever really sitting down to consider the long term consequences before you so blithely threw our soldiers (and the innocent Iraqis trapped in their current civil war hell) into some nightmarish meat grinder.
And what happens when those soldiers return home, their bodies broken, their spirits struggling to stay intact? You herd them out to public ceremonies so that they can serve as props for the cameras, to show just how compassionate you really are. Except, you aren't really that compassionate — it is an elaborately staged sham.
Perks and stardom do not come to every amputee. Sgt. David Thomas, a gunner with the Tennessee National Guard, spent his first three months at Walter Reed with no decent clothes; medics in Samarra had cut off his uniform. Heavily drugged, missing one leg and suffering from traumatic brain injury, David, 42, was finally told by a physical therapist to go to the Red Cross office, where he was given a T-shirt and sweat pants. He was awarded a Purple Heart but had no underwear.
David tangled with Walter Reed's image machine when he wanted to attend a ceremony for a fellow amputee, a Mexican national who was being granted U.S. citizenship by President Bush. A case worker quizzed him about what he would wear. It was summer, so David said shorts. The case manager said the media would be there and shorts were not advisable because the amputees would be seated in the front row.
" 'Are you telling me that I can't go to the ceremony 'cause I'm an amputee?' " David recalled asking. "She said, 'No, I'm saying you need to wear pants.' "
David told the case worker, "I'm not ashamed of what I did, and y'all shouldn't be neither." When the guest list came out for the ceremony, his name was not on it.
Look, I understand the fear that someone might have anger issues and disrupt an official ceremony. I also understand the need for a perfectly choreographed PR stunt for this White House, which cannot afford any public miscues from people who actually risked their lives and limbs for this folly of an occupation. This soldier lost his leg in Iraq, and because he wasn't perhaps socially couth enough to be in the spotlight with the President, he wasn't allowed to attend a ceremony for his best friend.
Not acceptable. At no time is that acceptable. Period.
Arm chair patriots can stick all the magnets they want on their SUVs and drive around feeling all smug and satisfied with themselves. True patriots get off their butts and do something to make the lives of our soldiers and their families better, while trying to end the mess and misery in which they are currently stuck. You want some ideas on what you can do, Brit? Start here.
And please, take some time to contact your members of Congress and tell them that the treatment that our soldiers are receiving is not acceptable. Period. And that it is well past time to bring the troops home from George Bush's failure.
John McCain, Joe Lieberman and Brit Hume can fuss and fume about the President's reputation and legacy all they want — I'd rather have our troops home, safe, and in one piece. And being treated with the dignity and care that they deserve — that they have earned risking their lives in our nation's uniform. How dare they treat our nation's soldiers this way and expend all that hot air calling anyone who questions them unpatriotic? How dare they.
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Chisty!!!
FITZ!
…to which I would add, if there’s an oilier, more unctuous slime in the DC establishment press than Brit Hume, I’d be hard pressed to name him.
Hey all — am rushing around getting packed to go to DC. Will be hitting the road to the airport in a bit. We got hit with more snow last night, and I’m going to have to leave for the airport earlier than I originally expected.
Hope everyone is having a warmer day than we are!
Thankyou Christy for this post.
I am stunned [almost] speechless by the Brit Humes of the country. Such blind, self-serving arrogance. And what of any note has this lame excuse for a news-person ever offered the world?
He reminds me of a mean-spirited version of Ted Baxter, from the old Mary Tyler Moore show. What a nasty, hollow shell of a person!
-but, don’t get me started *g*
Great post Redd! How I wish that some Dems had the insight (or balls?) to use your arguments in a speech on the floor of Congress. Alas, with the possible execption of Russ in the Senate, it will never happen.
And, in another WaPo article about how 6 of 7 fired U.S. Attorneys had excellent job evaluations:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..v=hcmodule
An eighth, you say….hmmm. Disturbing.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 4
We send lots of good wishes with you, gal. Have a safe and hopefully comfortable trip.
And give the gang of goodguys a wink from the rest of us. What a wonderful crew! You’re making history, and we’re soooo proud! ;->
Bravo, Christy. Please try to get this to Olbermann and go on to guest rant. That would give this the audience it deserves.
Ironic, isn’t it, that Cheney spoke with such compassion about ole Scootie being thrown into a “meatgrinder” but doesn’t seem to comprehend the boys he’s literally grinding to bits. Of course, Cheney wouldn’t know irony if it bit him on his hugely fat ass.
These stories will get wider coverage. Dana Priest did a segment about this on the NBC news last night.
While this definately needs to improve, they did fail to mention that overall the VA system is the best in the country:
Roemer seems to have stepped through the looking glass into an alternative universe, one where a nationwide health system that is run and financed by the federal government provides the best medical care in America. But it’s true — if you want to be sure of top-notch care, join the military. The 154 hospitals and 875 clinics run by the Veterans Affairs Dept. have been ranked best-in-class by a number of independent groups on a broad range of measures, from chronic care to heart disease treatment to percentage of members who receive flu shots. It offers all the same services, and sometimes more, than private sector providers.
According to a Rand Corp. study, the VA system provides two-thirds of the care recommended by such standards bodies as the Agency for Healthcare Research & Quality. Far from perfect, granted — but the nation’s private-sector hospitals provide only 50%. And while studies show that 3% to 8% of the nation’s prescriptions are filled erroneously, the VA’s prescription accuracy rate is greater than 99.997%, a level most hospitals only dream about. That’s largely because the VA has by far the most advanced computerized medical-records system in the U.S. And for the past six years the VA has outranked private-sector hospitals on patient satisfaction in an annual consumer survey conducted by the National Quality Research Center at the University of Michigan. This keeps happening despite the fact that the VA spends an average of $5,000 per patient, vs. the national average of $6,300.
http://www.businessweek.com/ma…..993061.htm
Liberals should be pointing to the VA system as proof that gov’t healthcare plans can work.
As the stepmother of a soldier who came back from Iraq with post-traumatic stress disorder and who has have numerous struggles with the VA and the rest of the military bureaucracy afterwards, I BEG you to SPOTLIGHT THIS ARTICLE.
Tell those jackasses at Faux News they are betraying the soldiers that have served us by ignoring their plight, by sugarcoating their “stay the course” bullsh*t instead of telling the unvarnished truth. And tell the rest of the media to do their damned jobs as the Fourth Estate — stop covering Missing White Girl stories like still-dead Anna Nicole Smith and still-lost-but-rich Britney Spears, and cover the Missing Soldiers Stuck In Bureaucratic Hell.
* And thank you, Christy, for this post. Thank you. *
FWIW, I just finished firing off a short, ahem – pithy note to a bunch-a senators, highlighting Greenwald’s Gen. Odom article.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Who knows? Maybe some of those “important people” tip-toe-ing around in the big-boys-club will decide to throw some Odom-isms into the debate from now on. – along with a goodly measure of Christy-isms ;->
I can dream, can’t I?…
dalloway at 9 — We have a vet who lost a leg and is learning to walk with his prosthetic one that lives in our neighborhood. When the weather is good, he walks by our house pretty much very day trying to build up his tolerance and his muscles to adjust to the new leg and balance. I see him walk by out the window when I’m working, or we say hi as he goes by when I’m working in the yard. Sometimes he is with family, sometimes he is alone.
But he will always be with his prosthesis from this point forward. He’s such a nice guy. As I was reading these articles, I kept thinking about him and how we haven’t seen him much with all of the ice and snow lately. When you have personally met someone who has had to face these demons, it makes it all the more personal for you as well. Or at least, it should.
Take a look and listen to the Asylum Street Spankers sing ‘Tie a Yellow Ribbon Around Your Suv’ here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOljzQ1V8
Of all sins of the neo-con shills, the terrible hypocracy of the treatment of vets is the one thing that makes me so angry I could cry.
Have they no shame?
this is a crime on hume’s part. aiding and comforting the enemy in time of pretend war.
we can’t suspend the death penalty in time of pretend war. it is required for those that have:
A. taken us to war on false pretense
B. continued the war solely to profit and maintain power
C. committed treason and war crimes
D. continued to represent the people in name only, and supported any one of the above.
after all, it will cause other little fascists to think about their actions when they see thousands die for crimes committed during and about a false war. were it that we could expect the law to prevent such actions on the behalf of people trying to bring down our government of the people, but our justice department is run by one of criminals. the people employed by that justice department have done nothing to have him arrested for his known crimes. is everyone cowering that represents us?
pretty sad when the government is organized crime. I wonder if a RICO indictment can be expected? forgot, they are removing all prosecutors that believe in the old laws. they only hire people that believe the old laws are wrong so they can ignore them
hawkeyefan at 11 — While that is true for a lot of the regular military folks, the last few years have seen cutbacks in benefits for the reserve units and the national guard units who are serving side-by-side with them on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan. The budget for the VA has not been keeping pace with the medical needs — which are overwhelming from the last six years of Bush Administration decisions and failures to plan for the inevitable up-tick in injuries and mental health needs. Right now, most folks who work for the VA system can tell you that they are all struggling to meet the needs of an ever-increasng population. West Virginia’s VA system is actually quite good, but they are swamped with waiting lists of folks coming in who need treatment — and over time, with that continuing to grow and straining the system because provisional planning has not been adequately done? That is not good for either the caregivers or the folks who need care.
Like everything else in this Administration, they have taken something that was working quite well and tried to squeeze it to the point of an inability to do their job as well as they need to do so. It’s just that the VA folks refuse to stand down, because most of them are so committed to helping all of our vets. It is a very good system — but it is one that is rapidly running into a crisis point unless and until the federal budget begins to reflect their true financial needs for taking care of all our soldiers. And soon.
i think the message is starting to break through. i heard an interview this morning with Dana Priest on KMOX, the st. louis conservative flagship (i was trolling the dark side). she was discussing the situation at Walter Reed and was getting a very sympathetic reception. keep it up.
Thanks Christy and I hope you are feeling better today. Have a safe trip!
Veteran Hospitals and clinics across America service Vets from WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I and now Afghanistan/Iraq Vets.
There is only X amount of dollars and X amount of personal to provide the services. Are they going to deny services to our brave WWII Vets now to provide care for our new brothers and sisters who disparately need the care?
So far, my mother who is a WWII Vet has been denied services. My other Vet relatives (WWII, Korea & Vietnam) are finding it hard to get appointments and wait times are increasing.
These men and women for generations have a compact with our government. They agree to lay down their lives for their country and that Country agreed to care for them for life.
Someone somewhere has broken that compact and they need to pay for breaking that compact.
It truly is a sad day in America.
Something else that may well always be with your neighbor/vet, Christy. Phantom pain. Despite the tag “phantom,” those pains are all too real. And the care management woefully inadequate whatever your healthcare system.
Bushco’s treatment of Vets fits the Katrina model to a T. We are all going to be treated like this if a disaster strikes at home or abroad.
Remember Bushies projected VA budget cuts and continued blind eye in disrespect to Katrina victims. This is exactly how Republicans think the world should operate.
National security intrests should demand this man be impeached and shipped to Paraguay or the Hague with a one way ticket.
This is not my beautiful country!
I appreciate Lehrer for paying tribute to the fallen military personnel in every single show, lingering on picture after picture in utter silence. It’s absolutely heartbreaking to see the men and women, mere youngsters along with those who could be grandparents. This dreadful folly of bush-cheney’s directly strikes families at all levels.
Add to those the thousands maimed for life, and whom bush-cheney essentially ignore, except for trying to cut their benefits, and it just makes one sick at heart.
This administration is brutally callous and uncaring toward all those they have so abused.
Neither congress, nor citizens should enable them any more.
The army will turn on this administration. They have no choice if they are to survive.
Jim DeRosa at 25 — I certainly hope not. That is absolutely the last thing I would want to happen. But the Army and the Marines are a close to breaking, if not already broken, as I can ever remember in my lifetime (although, admittedly, I was pretty young at the end of Vietnam, so I can’t speak to how things were at that point versus now.) What a mess. And when you factor in how the Reserves and the National Guard are at the moment, and the stop loss orders keeping people in well past their retirements? It’s such a mess.
VA hospitals are bad. This is not news, nor is it a surprise. Let’s do what we can to get veterans quality healthcare: Instead of forcing them to go to VA hospitals, give them healthcare vouchers and let them go to any hospital they want. The VA is immune to the market, so there’s no incentive to improve. If hospitals were competing over those vouchers, though, things would quickly improve.
If the Senate ever debates the Iraq war again, pictures should be shown of the dead and wounded with their name, age, hometown, and with information/pictures of those they left behind. Or have it all continuously displayed in both Houses until the troops are out of harm’s way. A constant reminder of the cost of phony wars and hot air and political posturing.
Agh. My previous post has grammar-typos. Was crying when I typed it, still crying now.
I’ve spent hours in the last two weeks talking my stepson down from his heightened anxiety; little stuff sets him off, and bigger stuff he can’t handle on his own. Car problems, midterms, dental problems, setting him off — things that would have been shrugged off as normal events before he went to Iraq. At the end of every conversation I remind him how lucky he is right now, that he has family who will help him, that he has resources he can tap that only need a little cooperative time and collaborative effort to locate, that he does not have a wife or children or a mortgage at this point in his life. Makes me so damned angry to think I am telling him he is lucky he doesn’t have a normal life, the things a guy his age should ordinarily be happy to have.
And it makes me even angrier to think that while I am talking him down, there are ten of thousands of vets who don’t have someone to whom they can go for emotional support or a financial safety net, and even more family members like innocent children who are left in that gap as well.
Let’s take up Lieberman on his “war tax” comment. One half for the support of the war, one half to fund a Veterans Trust Fund to insure that these troops are taken care of.
As a disabled vet, I am sickened at the treatment our wounded are receiving. Also, look at how the survivors of those killed are being treated. I’m being polite in my language. The words I would like to use would cause my old drill sergeant from Nam to faint.
Contact your senators, you congressperson. I want to hear some moral outrage on the floor and I want to see some action. If you are a vet, contact the DAV and get them shouting too.
Sally @ 28
And I think the thermostat in both the House and Senate should be set on the same temperature of downtown Baghdad.
It’s absolutely outrageous how the Bush Vietnam War dodgers have spun the lie that they are a friend to the military. Bush is no pal of the military, especially the ‘grunts’. Everytime one of our girls or boys serving in the armed forces in Iraq is killed or wounded, we, each and everyone of us, bleed just a little. Whether we like it or not. I could think about getting angry about this issue. I want those in my family and the rest, serving in Iraq brought home! And I demand accountability and justice for those who thrust them into this Hell on Earth!
They close VA hospitals so people have to travel farther to get treatment. (This is in the name of ‘increasing efficiency’.) If patients are lucky, they have a car and can drive; otherwise it’s likely to be a long bus ride, probably with transfers, and having to be there way early in case the bus is late…
I’d like to see McCain and some of the other ’support the troops’ folks actually deal with the VA the way so many other vets do. He might learn something about the real world.
One of the (many) reasons I’ll never run for office is because I couldn’t stand on the floor of Congress, knowing of atrocities like this, and not scream at or take a swing at some war-monger. I do think there’s a time when comity turns you into an accessory.
Unbelievable! All the Repug talk about “supporting the troops” and then to find out about squalid negligent conditions like this!
I will hound those, without mercy, who voted to invade Iraq and show no sorrow for that vote, and who do not call for a pullout.
I don’t know if anyone has said this yet. (Been over at Americablog reading this up)
We (progressives, Democrats, whoever the f*ck we are) need to grab hold and paper this EVERYWHERE. They gin up a ‘war’ based on lies and can’t even take care of those who are fighting and dying for this bullshit.
Three will be buried this week….three units of Guard are coming home this week, one got home last night. Some were crying: ‘I’m so glad to be home, just home.’
And though I never have and never will, voted for this man, he’s the Ranking Member on the Veteran’s Affairs Committee; Larry Craig (R-Idaho)
btw, if Lady of the Lake is around — your daughter’s anime is so lovely. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. Love it. :) She really has a gift for stories — and I’m so glad that she has found such a wonderful medium in which to share them.
More and more soldiers are rescued from the battlefield with injuries that would have caused deaths just several years ago. Why is it that the administration can get this job done but not take care of the soldiers once they come home? Could it be to the administration’s political advantage to have fewer deaths in Iraq? And as is normal in this neocon government the men and women that do the real fighting are forgotten and neglected when they are stateside. How is it that collectively we cannot make this stop? All Americans have been forgotten and neglected. This administration is not stupid. They are immoral.
Great post Christy, be safe in your travels. This is national disgrace.
American Hawk (37) — I personally think our troops deserve BETTER than the failing private hospitals we have.
My mother is an ER nurse; she’s described a situation in the last week where she had to triage 70 patients an hour, see them in class rooms and in hallways because they didn’t have enough space in the ER. Just normal stuff, severe colds, sprains, a drunk or two, drug seekers. But no doctors in her community are taking new patients; they take them only by referral. Can you imagine how the rest of the private healthcare in this same community works? How long do you think a vet should have to wait for care?
8, 9, 10 hours, like some of these folks in this ER did?
F*ck that. My tax dollars were supposed to pay for better than that.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 36
I like your style.
But then, I regard myself as a full-time, volunteer pest, or purt-near.
Figure it’s the least we can do.
May not be in perfect fighting trim any more, but there’s nothin’ wrong with the dialing & typing fingers, eh?! ;->
Please refrain from personal insults directed toward other commenters or moderators will delete your comments.
Thanks, RBG. I think I better go do something constructive offline for a while. This topic infuriates me to no end.
I greatly regret ever encouraging my stepson to serve in the military; I will take that with me to my grave. Truly a damned shame to feel that way about my country’s military, all because of incompetent or malignant foreign policy and civilian management.
Stiffing wounded vets is about the dumbest decision I can think of in the name of saving money. But then you look at the people responsible for this decision and go, “oh.”
In a just world, every cent of that “deferred compensation” Cheney receives from Halliburton would go to paying for Veterans healthcare, and Cheney would have to flirt with bankruptcy in order to take care of that costly thing he’s got in place of a heart.
Odd. Somebody responded to my comment at 37, but it shows up as ‘awaiting moderation’. Can somebody more familiar with how this site works explain that? Does everybody else see 37?
American Hawk
I don’t accept your premise, that the VA hospitals are “bad”. They make heroic efforts, and give quality primary care. The failure is in the follow up care, the rehabilitation, housing, and other services.
Vouchers- Why not spend that money on the existing system, where the overhead costs are lower, and the profit won’t come out of the ass of the veterans? If there is enough money for vouchers there is enough to give the VA the necessary funding. The problem is lack of money.
You believe in honoring our veterans by keeping the promises we made as a country, don’t you?
American Hawk @
46
The moderators deleted both the earlier comment as well as your response because we just don’t tolerate insulting other commenters at firedoglake.
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(Cook Political Report)
American Hawk @ 46
If your comment ends up in moderation, and then a moderator approves it (which they will do if it’s not sp*m), then hitting the “refresh comments” button won’t display it, but refreshing the page will. This is one of the, shall we say, infelicities of the WordPress platform on which FDL runs.
RBG @ 45
Yes Maam.
Just in case I was insulting, let me repost what was said at 37 and has been deleted.
With vouchers, veterans could choose the current VA hospitals. Or they could go to private hospitals. If hospitals have to actually compete for patients, they’ll have more of an incentive to improve their services. Currently, it’s not like veterans can just go to the other VA. If you trust soldiers to make smart decisions about their own healthcare, then it will improve things. Do you?
Mary McCurnin @
39
My father left a leg behind in Europe during WWII. Now 90, he suffers to this day from the physical and psychic after-effects, his dementia notwithstanding. VA docs told him that, had they had even Vietnam era MASH capability during his service, he’d likely have not lost his leg. Had we today still only had Vietnam era MASH capability our U.S. troop death toll would likely be closer to 10,000. We’ve saved soldiers’ lives, but THIS ASSHOLE is condemning them to long lives of utter misery and frustration. It sucks beyond words.
_
True Brit: Wants war. Wont fight. Wont support those who do … which means that statistically speaking Brit Hume is a 100% disgrace.
All of the this is just ugly smoke an mirrors. The soldiers and there families aren’t part of the club. Expendable.
Stuff like
How to take billions
combined with the tax cuts tells you the real story. As the cliche says “follow the money”
War profiteering including oil is the reason for the insanity. Pure profit. They even admit the part about war for oil now.
Historic Turning Point
I don’t expect much to happen with regard to Iraq until late this year. Dems WILL, however, continue to bring up measures to limit the president’s power to prosecute the war and goopers in the senate will be forced to stick their necks out further and further to prevent passage- dems hope to eventually choke at least a half a dozen goopers with their own words and actions in 08..
With the ability of the VA to negotiate their drug prices and the enormity of the defense budget, kinda makes you wonder (one more time) where all that patient care dough’s going.
Bush is today lovingly comparing himself to George Washington.
The Narcissist in Chief.
Hospitals don’t compete for patients. That shows a serious misunderstanding of how the medical system works in this country. Hospitals compete for DOCTORS- and doctors direct patients to their preferred hospital.
This is not a quibble- it is one of the reasons that the health care system works the way it does- and to pretend that consumers are driving the system- and to propose policies based on that mythology- is to invite failure.
Thinking I couldn’t be any madder about this, I found this -
Congressman Sam Johnson (R Richardson) 7 years a POW, and current rightwing object of affection -
but he wasn’t talking about Dana’s article, he was talking about Murtha’s plan to cut off $$$, this preening bastid has the nerve to characterize Murtha’s plan as a slow bleed
so I just finished LTE’s to Houston, Dallas, & Austin calling his sorry ass on it, his record of supporting the Chimp’s budget cuts, and publicly asking how often does the good Congressman visit Walter Reed
urging all Firedogs (especially Texans) to do the same
Rayne @ 44
Don’t feel regret over encouraging him to serve his country. There’s no way any of us could really have imagined how our military would have been used and how they are treated because of GWB. I worried about what might happen, but never could I have imagined that members of the National Guard or Reserves would end up fighting a needless war, sent up for multiple deployments, and treated so poorly when they are broken and damaged. It’s an American tragedy.
While Hume was dodging the Vietnam War with a 2 S deferrment, Jack Murtha was dodging fire in Vietnam. Hume’s an elitist scumbag. Note that his daughter, Virginia, worked for the Republican National Committee, before working on the 2004 Bush campaign. Runs in the family.
BobbyG @
58
OH! You beat me to it! Warning, folks, there’s a pic of the boy-king next to an actor dressed like George Washington.
so i guess they both play preznit for the cameras…. goodgawd – NO SHAME! ZERO! *blergh*
American Hawk @
27
Not true.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/h…..8/18va.htm
American Hawk @ 52
I strongly disagree.
This falls into the Privatize everything Repug meme.
As an RN for over 30 years, private healthcare is NOT the answer. First, they do not have the understanding for war injuries and the psych needs of these patients. The VA used to have specialized units and clinics for PTSD Vets from Vietnam.
With the introduction of the “killer bacteria” that has come back from Iraq through the military healthcare chain to VA hospitals, now you are going to expose the general population to this.
First, the US government made a contact with our Vets. They risk their lives for their country and WE guarantee to cover their medical care. THAT is the issue, that contact with our Vets has been broken.
Medical care of the military is very specialized and does not fit into the general public healthcare system. How are general med/surg nurses and physicians going to deal with extensive war injuries and psych trauma when they have NO training to deal with it?
How is it that a GI who served in Ethiopia comes back with some parasite that private healthcare cannot find but one visit at the VA diagnosed the problem? That was my next door neighbor, he suffered for over 10 years with vague GI symptoms, at my urging he was seen at the VA, diagnosed and treated within a few weeks.
We are going to repeat everyone’s war records during the Nam- until the last baby boomer turns his toes up…
” . . because he wasn’t perhaps socially couth enough to be in the spotlight with the President . .”
There is no one on this Earth too uncouth to “be in the spotlight with the [this] President!”
The “outsource” it approach to government had it’s birthpains in the private sector- where it is often- but hardly always- a good solution.
To assume that it is always a good solution with regard to government is a classic mistake in reasoning.
We have only to look at the results of “outsourcing” in Iraq- to see how toxic the mixture of “outsourcing” and “cronyism” can be- might as well take yer money and flush it down the nearest toilet.
American Hawk @ 52
Hospitals don’t want more patients. They have all they can handle now. And competing for the medical dollar only seems to create BAD care not better care. Eventually, the lust for money hacks away at appropriate decision making by health care pros. This country delivers mediocre care at best.
BobbyG @
58
At some point,this gross attempt at propaganda disingrates into pathos.
This war will destroy our country.I have noticed the chinese have been commenting on our “readyness”. What was the worlds finest millitary has been smashed and sandblasted to a shell.We have enemies in the world…They are takeing note.
How we treat the least amoung us is the true measure of the greatness of a country.How we have/are treating our vets shows the depths to which we have fallen.
rwcole,
I rarely disagree w/ you – but I think that old marine Murtha has just about had enough. I think Steny’s mealy mouthed meltdown last week was proof that he’s gonna have to drag most of them kicking and screaming, but drag them he will and with Madame Speaker’s ascent
Rayne @ 46
Rayne,
Please do not blame yourself for your stepson’s experience. Serving in the armed forces is incredibly honorable. It is the fault of this administration that he was sent into a war based on lies and not cared for once he came home. I hate to use the “no one could have known” quote, but really, no one could have known that a president would have used and abused the military to its breaking point and then left the veterans to fend for themselves.
My father urged me, while I was in college in the mid-90’s, to go into AFROTC. He is usually a hawkish Democrat, but since the first time the word “Iraq” came from the lips of this president, I think he’s really glad he raised a son who thinks for himself and ignores his advice from time to time.
The treatment of the troops, both before deployment (interms of training), during war (training, equipment, etc), and after returning home (veterans benefits, pictures from Dover) is a national disgrace and Bush will have to answer for it.
Should physically and emotionally injured soldiers make their health care decisions before or after they are wounded? Should they predict their injuries or should they decide their important healthcare decisions while in the midst of illness and suffering. The voucher system, just like the voucher system for school children, is nothing but a coupon for the rich and a chance to establish seperate and unequal facilities like hospitals and schools. If you beleive in democracy you believe in equality for all. Do you?
Bush, publicly adoring himself on Presidents’ Day:
When Bush says he doesn’t care about public opinion, he really means it. His capacity for self-aggrandizement is boundless.
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1,432 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ JUST GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
My grandpa and my father were wounded and decorated vets (WWI and WWII respectively) and they both made extensive use of the VA Hospital system. I trained at Walter Reed Army Medical Center before comin’ down on levey in 1969…I am now an RN and I have several friends who work at the Fort Snelling VA and one good friend who is a physician out there (close ta retirement). The emasculation of the entire military medical system and the VA medical system by the fascists over the last 25 years (startin’ with that friendly fascist Ronnie Reagan) is criminal. Every single elected official still sittin in Congress who has voted for the cuts in the VA system since 1982 should be run outta DC on a rail.
I have two VietNam vet friends who rely on the local Vets hospital for their medical care and I have witnessed first hand the tragic consequences of the budget cuts most recently. The demands of long term medical care, long term custodial and mental health, from this war is gunna dwarf the demands post VietNam. We have regressed past the 1920’s and are rapidly approaching the 1870’s in the condition of our veteran’s services.
The politics of this advance into the past, economically and socially, is led by the corporatists of BOTH political parties…the Clinton-Schumer-Biden-Emmanuel corporatist Democrats share the functional politics of the neo-fascist Republicans (all of ‘em).
Ending the war NOW and freezing ALL budget action until there is a massive increase in funding for military medicine and VA medical care should be an organizing focus to put ALL candidates for every federal office to the test. No more “non-binding” resolutions and no more fukin around with posing and posturing
We can NOT afford to wait for ‘08 to mobilize a progressive assault into the future…’08 will be too late unless we get Al Gore into the race before the end of this year.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS ARE LAUGHIN AT US!!
Bush is the most self referential idiot ever!!!!
George Washington indeed.
cbl I found a blogger who reminds me of your style. The subject matter which is finances is probably not relevant to you but her style is very creative.
Trying to build my creative self and center my energy for the battles to come.
crap! “Madame Speaker’s assent“
rwcole @ 65
I wish we could tread lightly around this topic.
We had friends who served in ‘Nam – some drafted, some volunteer; other friends who didn’t go to war – weren’t called, or dodged to Canada, or served admirably in the Peace Corps. ALL these friends were good people.
That war tore our country apart once. I guess some are still using it to do so. I regret that, especially since the divisions have been so politicized now, and so many people today apparently haven’t learned a lot of the lessons from the Vietnam War, even now.
To me, having served in a war or not should not be a political issue. But how a politician treats the folks who serve now and have in the past – THAT’s the important thing. And I don’t mean just rhetoric or photo-ops.
I look to supportive voting record and true caring acts, such as that shown by Rep. Murtha.
just sayin…
I propose an amendment to Murtha’s legislation package. Until ALL active and NG units are fully outfitted, 50% of all military recruiters will be amputees awaiting final disposition of their cases. They will be paid at the rate of the highest enlisted grade and continue therapy schedules while on recruiting duty. At the time the military meets the above equipment requirement, any amputee wishing to be placed on the staff of any member of congress will receive priority over any other applicant.
Ed*ard Teller @ 80
point well made…
Novak: House GOP fired Veterans-friendly committee chair in order to “save money”
We now know how the Bush administration got away with years of providing such paltry support to our injured and maimed veterans from the Iraq war and Afghanistan. The Republican congressional leadership forcibly removed the GOP House committee chair in charge of overseeing veterans. Why? He was too vet-friendly, too interested in meeting the growing needs of our war veterans, and the Republicans wanted to save money at the expense of our injured and maimed veterans.
Via Americablog
I’m in DC, Christy. It’s darn cold here.
Regarding Iraq. Isn’t it nice when a candidate for prez, say a front running Demo candidate hoping to be elected president in 2008, gives us permission to vote for someone else, if we don’t like her or his refusal to express an acknowledgement of failure in voting with Bush in attacking Iraq, and plunging us into the Middle East mess?
HOW DARE THEY?
That needs to be our mantra chant.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 75
Every Military base had a clinic, usually a hospital and were staffed by military physician’s and nurses. In some bases where I was stationed, they contacted with local physicians to fill in the gaps.
Since Reagon, and more so under old Rummy, who said “We aren’t in the healthcare business” has been closing military base healthcare centers across the country and possibly the world. This forced them to seek care into our private healthcare system unless it was VA related.
Doctors and Nurses would sign up and serve which would pay part of their student loans and everyone won. This was a great program for them to pay off some or all of their loans, obtain experience and then launch into private practice if they wanted following discharge.
The issue is 100% the written and unwritten contract(moral) we the American Government makes with our military when they agree to serve and how the current administration and its enablers have broken that contact.
Coming from a military family for several generations and witnessing the physical & psychological wounds inflicted by serving in any combat theater opens your eyes. It’s what propelled me in the first place to protest the craziness of going into Iraq for no logical reason I could see.
Want to feel something besides frustration @ the many inadequacies of VA health care? Volunteer to do something, anything really, at some local VA hospital or clinic. So completely appreciated by both patients and staff, you’ll feel the load lifting just to be there…
Does this imply Brim Hume understands the reality of things on the ground? Has he been there? Has he reported from outside the Green Zone?
This soldier lost his leg in Iraq, and because he wasn’t perhaps socially couth enough to be in the spotlight with the President, he wasn’t allowed to attend a ceremony for his best friend.
That just sounds like more of the “free speech zones” trick where Bush is only ever going to be seen in public with people who’ll make him look good.
Come to think of it, I don’t remember hearing a darned thing about free speech zones per se since sometime before the 2004 election. Whatever happened to them — or is this it?
OleHippiChick @ 57, agree. Money to pay for quality care for our wounded military should be taken in huge amounts from the Defense budget. Let the greedy military-industrial complex whine on and on about their revenue loss which is nothing compared to our military’s loss of life and limb.
Regarding health care, one problem that could have been addressed over the past years is the shortage of nurses, which is caused by the shortage of instructors, which results in terrible working conditions for overworked nurses and less time for them to care for their patients. There is no shortage of applicants to nursing schools but there are not enough instructors to teach the students. Of course, this is not the sort of thing Republics are interested in addressing.
There was one odd counterpoint to the usual Bush Administration nonsense over the weekend, which Think Pogress pointed out today. Condi Rice addressing the troops in Iraq over the weekend said this:
Wonder what happened to the real Condi? Anyhow, nice to hear that it’s OK to discuss the issues.
It was particularly galling to hear Shrub claim that because George Washington thought all peoples deserved freedom, that meant his drive to bring “freedom” at the barrel of a gun made him like Washington. Washington, in fact, warned against foreign entanglements, and would be horrified at Georgie in so many ways.
(Incidentally, if you google for the words Washington, freedom, and birthright, most of the top links are to right-wing groups opposed to birthright citizenship, from “think” tanks all the way up to the white-supremacist Stormfront. Scary.)
Waas!!!
http://news.nationaljournal.co…..907nj1.htm
Im busy reading…
ReddHedd,
You are far to kind to Britney Hume when you generously refer to him as a “big time newsboy.” Britney is neither a newsperson nor a journalist.
Britney is an infotainment personality. His specializes in publishing right wing proganda and Republican party apologies for a dissembling media company. Any references to “news” or “journalism” in the same sentence with Britney Hume are surely for contrast purposes only.
slainte,
cl
BushCo and all his enablers–J-Lie, Hill the Shill, WaPoo, Friedman Unit, et al among ‘em–are the Redcoats now.
Fool Zero @ 90
He doesn’t need them any more. Since he’s not running for re-election, Bush doesn’t speak to the public any more, only to friendly groups like AEI and military audiences who can be ordered not to show any disrespect.
On the topic at hand, it’s certainly clear that the military medical system and VA have been suffering from neglect for some time. The stories about people having to re-enter the system and prove that they were in Iraq is enough to convince me. This shouldn’t be more than a very occasional problem in an age when you can transfer information all over the world. I know better than most folks that the government is full of old, outdated, and difficult to maintain computer systems, but the only obstacle to fixing them or replacing them is the money and time to do so. Industry, the commercial world, and the government all have to deal with this problem. It clearly hasn’t been a priority.
Redshift @ 93
Bush clearly has no understanding of history. Simon Bolivar would be a much better choice for a role model. Even so, Bolivar brought freedom to countries that just needed someone to help them fight for it, he didn’t just deliver it to them.
We’ve done our duty. We fought the war. We came home wounded. Fine.
These wimps should try being on the Iraqi side for a while.
DavidByron @ 100
I’m sorry, what wimps are you referring to? Have you tried being on either side?
Eureka Springs @31
And I think the thermostat in both the House and Senate should be set on the same temperature of downtown Baghdad.
Indeed! If only we could find a senator to read your comment from the well of the Senate so it is preserved on the record. :(
I wonder if Britt Hume was born a smug, sanctimonious creep, or he got that we working for Fox news.
It’s totally vile.
Where was Areln SPecter? Where was Lindsey fuckin JAG Graham? Why didn’t they know about this, with all their troop supporting and all that?
I for one will be calling expecting answers tomorrow. It’s fucking galling, and is 100% reflective of the republican “if it doesn’t affect me it’s not happening” mindset. I hate to be so broad, but it’s just a fact.
With that in mind, Graham should spend a few weeks as an outpatient at walter reed.
Great post, Redd. I’m glad you pointed to the WaPo article. I wrote a thank you note to Dana Priest yesterday. I want that paper to know that we want coverage of this issue.
Excellent post, Christy. The Boston Globe carried this article today, but I don’t know how broadly it will be printed. We can expand the reach of the Post article by using the SPOTLIGHT function at the bottom of Christy’s post. Lots of media in the heartland that might not otherwise see this.
Meanwhile from the neverending possibilities of recess appointments…
(Why is congress in recess anyway? Bushco is a clear and everpresent danger and should not be left alone at all!)
Bush Expected to Name Industry Lobbyist to Head Consumer Safety Agency
Many Senators, Representatives With Oversight Responsibility Claim to Neither Know Nor Care
George Washington was considered incompetent at the start of the revolutionary war. He changed the minds of the people who doubted him. George Bush has only re-enforced the hard fact that he is devoid of the qualities of thought.
marie roget @ 88
was just popping in, and saw your comment, am now going out to run errands, but wanted you to know:
my mom and dad provided a cookout for any able to attend at the VA hospital in cincinnati once a month for quite a few years….they provided everything….mom made many salads and side dishes and they grilled out homemade burgers..a picnic for all who were able to come downstairs for it, even in wheelchairs…the rules of the hospital changed and they are no longer allowed to do it…..they absolutely loved doing it for them….mom would cry when she told me how many of the vets thanked her over and over for the feast while they were in the hospital…..they have found other things to do for them now since no more cookouts.
Pach’s got a new post upstairs.
I think Saddam had more honor in his little finger than dear leader has in his entire body, and I was no fan of his…just sayin’.
Looks like John Kerry was right…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..own_burden
What is Pickles doing? Isn’t this one of the usual “duties” the Pres wife undertakes during war? Go around inspecting hospitals, talking to wounded, etc? then slipping the word to Hubby? What’s she doing these days, anyway?
Here is a situation I am dealing with today: my son’s friend is an Iraq vet. He was injured in a training accident before he served in Iraq. He had surgery at a military hospital when he returned from Iraq, but it was unsuccessful. It took nearly two years to get a medical discharge.
Last week, my son drove him to the VA hospital in San Francisco (100 miles) for surgery to improve his shoulder. There were complications. My son took him back to San Francisco on Friday. Now they insist that he has to go back to San Francisco again on Wednesday for an MRI. There must be at least 15 places where he could get an MRI locally. My son can’t take another day off work and his friend is unable to drive. Of course, today is a holiday and I am unable to reach any VA types to ask for assistance. Does anyone out there know of any organizations that help vets get to their medical appointments?
redhook @ 54
He doesn’t have a clue how to compare those numbers properly either. It ought to be adjusted to reflect population – 2300 per 35 million in California, 277 per how many US soldiers in Iraq? Not 4 million, that’s for sure.
Brit Hume just demonstrated that he is an Administration Propagandist on the level of Josef Goebbels. I guess he never had to take a stats course at the University of Virginia…he certainly suggest that UVa graduates are either dumb or inveterate liars!
For one thing…one can’t use the number of troops in Iraq and make a GEOGRAPHICAL comparison to California. Heck why not use Antarctica or Greenland? Murder rates are based upon population size…not geographical AREA!
What you need to do is look to per capita deaths or muders. California, of course, has a population vastly larger than the 140,000 troops in Iraq…so that 2300 homcide number is quite small vis-a-vis population size.
California has a population of 34 million. So Mr. Hume!
2300 homicides/year to 34 million vs. 277 deaths/160 days for 140,000 troops.
Scaled ~ the latter would be @ 600 troops in the course of a year. That’s a death rate of 4.3/1000.
California’s murder rate is .0676/1000! Sgt. Snorkel has a miniscule chance of being murdered in California vs. dying in Iraq!
Even more interesting is to compare the death rates of California Law Enforcement Officers which is approximately the same number of troops deployed to Iraq. In 2006 there were 13 total deaths of law enforcement officers in the line of duty…and that INCLUDED several heart attacks and vehicular accidents.
THIRTEEN! From all causes!
So Brit…13 vs. @ 600 for similar high risk professions from equivalently sized pools? A cop who serves in the National Gaurd has a fifty times greater chance of dying in Iraq than he does on the streets of California, Brit!
Brit…if you really want to make you stats comparable you need to compare the DEATH rates per capita of ALL those in IRAQ (civilians and combatants) to those Californian homicides!
Iraq’s population WAS…before the recent mass exodus of refugees…was about 28 million. I can make a VERY GOOD BET that the violent death rate is well over 10 times that of California – perhaps 100 times larger by some reasonable statistics.
So Brit…stop playing Goebbels!
After all, if these troops are safer in Iraq than civilians walking the streets in California perhaps we should be paying Californians all these “dangerous action” benefits and handing out free body armor. Maybe we should deploy our troops in California (or just about any other state)…where established Democracies would presumably be actually at even greater risk than the placid streets of Iraq?
I’m sure that the troops would much prefer to be home if Iraq is actually as peaceful as you suggest!
if i could humbly suggest, while the fdl folks are waiting for the jury and before they cure cancer (smile), they might want to consider a reprise of the “rubber stamp campaign.” Perhaps if we had a mechanism by which we could all send our reps and sens some symbol of our outrage – a mouse trap, a roach motel, perhaps, we could get some traction here. i for one would happily donate some $ to the project.
in the meanwhile, the walter reed medical center web page suggests folks wanting to help out the vets in question contact/support the following organizations (we’re not vouching for them, just providing the list):
america supports you;
uso cares;
to our soldiers and
the red cross
it’s patriot’s day in new england – job 1 should be fixing this mess; and job always should be attacking every single claim that aWol’s administration ever makes that it “supports” the troops and that those who oppose the policies that have led to the nightmares at walter reed do not.
Across the nation, small towns are quietly bearing a disproportionate burden of war. Nearly half of the more than 3,100 U.S. military casualties in Iraq have come from towns like McKeesport, where fewer than 25,000 people live, according to an analysis by The Associated Press. One in five hailed from hometowns of less than 5,000.
San Antonio is n not a small town, but it is a low-income, minority-majority city. Last week, the second soldier from the same high school was killed. The first was a month before.
With Brooke Army Medical Center and Wilford Hall Hospital (AF), and the BAMC burn unit here, we hear plenty about the wounded. We haven’t heard anything about terrible care, here, but given that BAMC is practically new, I’d like to think there ARE no horror stories like the one we all just read. Makes me wonder, though…
I should perhaps have elaborated – we see reports of deaths, or of the funerals, of at least one per month for our region. Many of them are from small towns in south Texas – probably the highest numbers are from towns in the Rio Grande Valley – the poorest part of the state.
Rightously beautiful post, Christy. Thank you from a family member of a wounded Iraq vet.
He’s back in Iraq now…3rd tour. He can’t hear well, he has PSTD (he lost 5 of his buddies in the attack) and doesn want to ask for help because he’s worried he’ll lose his benefits from his 15 years of service if gets some kind of “label”, and he’s disgusted with the COC and the whole mess that is Iraq, but doesn’t want to talk about that either because he has a wife and two small children and worries he’ll lose benefits for them too. Anyway, thanks, just thanks.
Why the hell isn’t someone like Britt Hume on TV ranting about “this” stuff?
Adie @ 5
Addie I have a word for the likes of them but I wouldn’t use it here. It is one of the words that got that gaggy donohue riled up and Edward’s bloggers to resign. He doesn’t deserve to have his name start with a capital letter because he is definitely lower case.
http://www.playboy.com/magazin…..index.html
Awesome piece of journalism. 10pgs. THE COST OF WAR
Short recap.
Burgoyne washes car. Finds kids tooth.
Tries to kill himself. Goes to hospital
Dr. Koroll recognises PTSD, signs release to german hospital.
Koroll out ranked, Burgoyne shipped home.
Burgoyne goes to VA. 5 min phone conversation with doc.
sent home, come back if worse.
Burgoyne Stabs “friend” 32 times.
burns the body.”thats how we did [it] in Iraq.”
two months pass. turns himself in.
Gets 20 years.
Koroll gets dishonorable Discharge.
Mutant Poodle @ 3
No one in the Senate wants to end up like Paul Wellstone……
sonate @ 6
This is the comment I meant to quote….
No one in the Senate wants to end up like Paul Wellstone……
Alert on floor 124
CW2 Sean Carney,
Some of us learned to treat vets and troops with more respect as a result of Vietnam.
I admit to being wrong in my attitude toward the military then. This time we are trying to take care of the troops while getting them out of the shooting gallery that is Iraq.
My particular concern is mental health treatment for those who need it when they get back from the war. There is a lot to improve, and people are hurting.
I think you are right about the VA hospitals losing funding, I think that was because of a decline in the number of World War II vets. Policy makers thought we didn’t need as many hospital beds because there were a lot fewer people to treat.
I appreciate that you are willing to go back. I thank you for your service to our country. Even though we disagree, I still think what you are doing over there is on our behalf.
The only thing I can think of that you left out is Cheney/Bush’s budget proposal for the VA. How shameful. They really support the troops all right.
I started banging this drum in Feb 06 when I ran in the Dem Primary for OR 02 CD. It drove me to tears then, and that rarely happens. I am now tied between tears of sorrow and tears of rage. There is no more that we can ask of our people than to risk their lives and health on our battlefields; and there is no more sacred a contract than the one we make with them to care for them.
I may be a Vietnam era protester, but I am also the son of veterans all the way to the Revolution and I have never forgotten for an instant what that means. Some obviously have, and they’ve earned our contempt.