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I have a confession to make. I am having such a hard time writing this post. I have almost no idea what to say. The reason is this: I am still flummoxed by the Fitzgerald Opening Statement. You may recall, way back before the beginning of the trial, I did a little piece on how Prosecution Opening Statements are supposed to go and the elements they are supposed to cover. There is a sort of standard format for that and I ticked them off one by one. Now I didn’t come up with that list all by my little self. No, lists like that one are spouted in law schools and in continuing legal ed course and in trial advocacy course and competitions all over this country all the time.
There is no rule that says this is how you have to do it, mind you; it’s just this is how we are all taught to do it. Well that’s not what happened at this trial. No standard, color by numbers Opening Statement from PatFitz.
Instead, we were treated to one of the most devastating pieces of advocacy I have ever seen. Understand, I am somewhat of a student of the game. When I was in Law School and when I worked downtown in N.Y., when ever I had free time during the day, I went to watch other lawyers on trial or arguing before the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. And since it was the Big Apple, some of the best lawyers in the country travel in to argue there. I am a pretty sophisticated consumer of lawyer’s arguments.
Well Firepups, I have to tell you that I have never seen or heard ANYTHING like that Opening. I still have it on my mind. It was totally stripped down, devoid of almost all rhetorical flourish or device (there was only one—Fitz compared 4th of July fireworks to the fireworks that were about to rain down on the Wilsons after July 6th) and completely without artifice or extraneous elements of any kind. It relied solely and completely on the power of the facts and pushed those facts to the foreground in stark relief by making the person reciting them almost invisible.
It takes, all in one unified moment: nerves of steel, total humility, exquisitely nuanced taste/discretion, and a total belief in the “rightness” of the evidence to dare so simple and stark a presentation. It was like Shaker furniture, or the glistening perfection of a white marble Doric column. Weeks later, I am still blown away by it and cannot get it out of my head.
So, to say I have no clue what Team Fitz has in store for us in Summation, would be such a huge understatement, that I can’t bear to insult your intelligence with it. So, instead I am going to bring you up to speed on how the summation process works and hopefully you will be primed and ready for whatever TeamFitz brings to us.
The Prosecution gets the first word and the last word the jury will hear from lawyers in the trial. This is supposed to be some small compensation for bearing the very heavy “proof beyond a reasonable doubt” burden of proof. The way that plays out is this: Prosecution opens first, then Defense opens, then there is testimony and exhibits (a/k/a evidence), then the Prosecution sums up, the Defense sums up and the Prosecution gets to do a Rebuttal Summation. The jury does not hear from the lawyers again after that. The judge will hear from the lawyers, but not the jury (except for very extraordinary circumstances which I will not go into here).
In this case, the first Prosecution Summation will be offered by Mr. Zeindenberg. He is a very accomplished lawyer in his own right, but I have never seen him argue and don’t know if we can expect any surprises from him. He and the Defense have an advantage here afforded them both by the judge and by President’s Day holiday in that they will have had a good 5 days to comb over the transcripts and record and write out many drafts of what they want to say. The Defense lawyer may chose to tweak his Summation to deal with something heard during the first Prosecution Summation, but as with the Opening Statements, both sides will walk into that room having their game plan already set.
The hardest thing to do is the Prosecution’s Rebuttal Summation. You have little/no idea what the Defense will argue in their Summation, if you are really lucky you will have a lunch break or bathroom break to pull your thoughts together and outline your remarks, but pretty much, you are arguing off the cuff. This is where your total encyclopedic knowledge of the case, your command of the relevant statutes and case law and your ability to think on your feet makes all the difference.
Traditionally, the Prosecution's main Summation is a sort of mirror image of that traditional “this is what the evidence will show” kind of Opening Statement. Normally, you remind the jury of what you promised them in the Opening and take them through all the evidence to demonstrate how you made good on every promise. Pat didn’t make any promises in the Opening, he went straight to the evidence and let it, literally, speak for itself (he played three excerpts from 3 different instances of Libby’s prior testimony and you could hear for yourself Libby’s voice growing more confident as he honed and refined his lies to the Grand Jury. I truly believe it was at that moment that Team Libby knew they could never put him on the stand. Fitz cut him off at the knees with that one).
So, I don’t know that Zeidenberg has the formula available to him, though he could try a variant on it. I am looking forward to seeing what he comes up with.
However, for me, the real object of fascination will be the rebuttal. Will it be like the cross examination of the Libby underling where in one question “if you wanted two hours to go for coffee with Libby would that be hard to get ?” which turned the “Libby was a busy man” defense completely on it’s head? That’s my current theory. Will it be picking out and highlighting some previously overlooked and seemingly insignificant detail that stands in as a metaphor for the entire case? That’s what he did in the Sheik Abdel Rachman case. Or will it, like the Opening Statement, be something totally unexpected? Every step of the way, Fitzmas has kept me on the edge of my seat. It seems that will be true right up to the very end. It’s so hard to wait till we find out.
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looseheadprop!!!
Fitz!
Fitz!
Hey looseheadprop!!
all my fingers and toes are crossed.
what’s excellent about the prosecution game plan is that Fitz can concentrate on the rebuttal, w Zbrg doing the 1st part of the summation.
and it’s fun to see that Libby is in the position of having 1 of his constitutional rights (5th Amend. self incrimination) diluted; because despite the judge’s instructions, in all but the weakest cases, IMHO, a jury always draws a negative inference from the defendaty’s refusal to take the witness stand. tough noogies.
I couldn’t sleep last night – sciatica is getting on my last nerve – so I went through some of the IANAL questions I had about the summation (I didn’t even know about the rebuttal), and you’ve answered every dang one, lhp. Tank suit, very much.
We’ve been busy selling one house and buying another, packing etc., and I’ve been too busy to keep up. I’m going to go back and read your run-up prep sheets now. I’ll never catch up…
The blogosphere has broken new ground with ‘Plame House’ and the Libby Trial coverage.
Fitz made it all very, very worth it.
Lefty!!!
LHP – Thanks, this really sets the scene for the fireworks ahead.
I was wondering, do we know how long each sequence of the closing arguments is likely to last? Will the process stretch over two days or will it be a single-day marathon?
The closing arguments will be history in the making and lawyering at its apogee – I am tempted to hop a bus to D.C. tonight!
FDL, where the “Aspen roots” meet the netroots.
hi lhp.
whats the time line? Will all this occur tomorrow?
egregious @ 4
Hey eg. Are still on DC?
The Fitz cross-ex of Libby’s memory expert was reportedly a classic, as was the laconic opening statement.
Does anybody know whether or not transcripts of the proceedings are available to the Public?
Maybe you just read aloud Waas‘ piece.
Great post, as per usual, lhp.
Off topic, if you have the interest or time, someone on an earlier thread, mentioned that Judge Walton splattered Joe Wilson’s attorney in the Civil case for statements she made on HARDBALL about the trial Attorney admonished for statements on Libby
. It seems to me that Walton should come down a lot harder on the WaPo and Toensig for the atrocity known as TRIAL IN ERROR.
I have a friend in the hospital whom I’ll be calling with updates as FDL covers this amazing moment.
First of all, does Fitzgerald have a strong case? I know what I think about this. But what, based not on emotion, do others here think?
*xyz @ 8
Emptywheel tells me tat each side gets a total of 3 hours apiece. So, Team Fitz can’t use up all their time in the first go round.
Christy told me that chmabers alerted them that court is starting 1/2 hour earlier than usual. I think Walton wants to try to get it all in on a single day.
It’s much more fair like that, you don;t want a jury sleeping on 1/2 the story
urban pirate @ 10
IIRC each side gets 3 hours, Fitz’s team will divide theirs bewteen initial argument and rebuttal. Hope that’s right.
looseheadprop, great preview.
To everyone who is going to be in the courtroom: I am so jealous!!
Patrick Fitzgerald is such an admirable human being. For me, his character is evidence that the United States isn’t “over” as a going concern.
John Casper @ 14
Yep. It will be interesting to see if he makes any comments tomorrow. I’m sorry, I don’t want to get into a catfight with another member of the Bar, but I really found that display to be very unprofessional. COnsidering some of the off color laguage I have used around here, maybe that is the pot calling the kettle black.
Can’t really judge for myself, but I was very surprised that WaPo published that at all and at the TIME it did
Mommybrain @ 6
Hoooo boy, do you have your hands full. I remember that. Stress City. Sciatica makes it much worse!
I wonder if there will be some good MP3 commentaries on the trial that you could listen to while packing.
But failing that, this is such a good place to come back to when one’s not been able to keep up — I have to pop in and then out again missing all sorts of things more often than I’d like. But everyone is so kind and patient, helping us missing members to jump back on the FireDogLake Train.
[Reminds me of those thirties Depression-era movies, each “hobo” helping the other jump back on the moving train, a real sense of community.]
Good luck to you in your move, take good care of yourself (take extra Vitamin C and don’t lift anything too heavy!), and pop in when you can — there’s always somethin’ good cooking here.
Here’s a good article on the Washington Post hit piece from yesterday.
http://consortiumnews.com/2007/021807.html
looseheadprop @ 17
Thanks. So, court proceedings will begin at 9 a.m. tomorrow, I presume.
Will they wrangle through the jury instructions before or after the summation? Is there any other housekeeping/administrative stuff that they have to work through before they get summation underway?
Also, since the defense has 3 hours total, does this mean that they could take 1.5 hours for their initial presentation and save a full 1.5 hours for their rebuttal summation? It seems to me that they would be very wise to save plenty of time for the rebuttal summation – maybe even more than half their allotted total, if possible.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 16
Perjury is always a tough row to hoe, which is why you see so few perjury cases. But this seems SOOOO plain vanilla. So obvious, but then again, I admit I am still under the spell of the Opening Statement.
Hope the jury is too
I think you are right about Fitz. His arguments are clean and therefore convincing. Remember the saying, “Armed with nothing but the truth”. Yes, I would say Fitz is a man of conviction, he does not rely on tricks. But he is a very, very smart man of conviction, able to articulate the circustances at hand in clear and unambiguous ways. Neat trick huh?
My guess, for what it’s worth, is that
1. Zeidenberg’s initial closing will be more traditional — pulling things together for the jury, summarizing the testimony and exhibits that support each count.
2. Wells will get up and flap his arms around and say “Busy busy! Everyone forgets shit! Busy busy!”
3. Fitz will get up and spend less than 10 minutes succintly and utterly destroying whatever Wells has said.
Extra bonus: in desperation, Wells may to try argue the “Scooter was a scapegoat” point, in support of which he adduced not one whit of evidence. Although objections are rarely made — and even more rarely sustained — Fitz will object, and Walton will sustain the objection.
That and $2 will get you on the subway….
*xyz @ 23
defense does not get rebuttal. Prosecution does its main Summaton, defense does its only Summation, prosecution does its reuttal Summation
Looseheadprop- thanks for another great article. And thanks to whomever found the pic. It is great- Fitz looks like a giant! BTW OT, but do you have any idea what position Fitz played in rugger?
looseheadprop @ 27
Not a big question, but it’s nice to have faces for names, so: Is that Zeidenberg Fitz is taking to, and Bonamici between them? Or is she barely visible behind him, or not in the picture?
I agree that Fitz will be short, lethal and to the point. That in itself tells the jury that the case is simple and clear-cut.
Keith Olbermann: (referring to Republicans using the term “slow bleed.”)
“The Republicans, despite a correction by (Politico.com), taking the term and abusing it as readily as if it had been a fabricated quote from Abraham Lincoln.”
litigatormom @
26
That’s about what I think we’ll see. Though Zeidenberg will point out some evidence (such as the Addington note I highlighted yesterday) that hasn’t received much focus. And Wells will say, in addition to busy busy busy, “Ari, Armi, and Rove, … Ari, Armi, and Rove, … Ari, Armi, and Rove, oh boy!!!”
– IM SURE THERE SOME DISTATE ON FITZ’S PART — BUT HE’S GOING TO ‘PUNK’ LIBBY. AND HE WOULD HAVE CHENEY, WHO PULLED A GETAWAY…FOR NOW. THIS IS HOW THE NIXON WALL FELL OVER ON THEM, BRICKS AND PRICKS AT A TIME. THIS ONE WILL DO THE SAME TO THE CHENEYS’ BUSHS’ AND THE NEOCONS WHO HAVE HAD IT ALL RIGGED — THEY THINK. YOU DONT SUPPOSE THE LYING BASTARDS PRAY, DO YOU ? –
Thank you, looseheadprop and egregious.
I’ll returning to lurk (and very impressed) mode now.
Valley Girl @ 28
We ar e in the land of really dim memeory. I THINK he was some kind of a back in college, but played in the Scrum, maybe second row/locke for Old Maroon. But in all honesty, I am super duper fuzzy on this. Wells should use ME as a “memory is fallible” witness
James Robinson @ 30
Fitz is talking to Zeidenberg. The face in the middle is Agent Bond and behind and to the right of picture, barely visible, is Ms. Kedian
Hmmmmmmmm, I am gonna have to take a few hours for coffee in the morning.
I can’t wait for the close.
May the luck of the Irish be with us tomorrow.
I can’t stop comparing Fitz with Atticus Finch in me head– hope the jury does the right thing this time…
:O
thanks, lhp!
Excellent opening summation, lhp! Well done.
KO on a roll:
“Get me, I’m George Washington!”
“War OF terror”
Hey all — am sitting in the airport in Pittsburgh, getting ready to go to DC. Great post, LHP! (See you in the morning…)
clio @ 34
He is very tall. In all ways
looseheadprop @ 11
Hey eg. Are still on DC?
Well I live here so good guess. I’ll be rooting from the blogoverse tomorrow. You going to Y2K? [yearly kos 2] How’s littleprop doing?
clio @ 34
Yes. He’s really tall. At least as of last Tuesday.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
Happy travel, we’re thinking about you. Supposed to be really warm tomorrow.
If I was a juror tonite, I wouldn’t be able to sleep I’d be so excited on one hand, and so depressed that it’s almost over.
motherlowman @ 40
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egregious @ 43
Well I live here so good guess. I’ll be rooting from the blogoverse tomorrow. You going to Y2K? [yearly kos 2] How’s littleprop doing?
Littleprop is doing great. Only in the 7th grade and she just got a 1400 on the SATs. My babay wants to take a college course this summer instead of going to camp. Go figure.
I doubt I will be going to Y2K. I am still trying to maitain the integrity of my nom de plume
I have been waiting, and almost holding my breath, for the day to come when Patrick Fitzgerald makes his rebuttal summation.
Well, boys and girls, it’s popcorn time.
I believe Fitz will be succinct and DEVASTATING to the defense. He knows by heart all the ins and outs of this case, and will shred anything Wells brings up.
I think it will be a moment that most of us will remember for years.
I also believe with a Libby conviction, the ball will again be rolling to charge the perpetrators with the outing of a CIA agent.
I, for one, wish Valerie Plame was still employed by the CIA and checking into the possiblility of WMDs that IRAN may have. How clever of the Bush WH to get rid of her along with Brewster Jennings now that Bush is pushing Iran.
All of the pieces are coming together in this jigsaw puzzle.
GO FITZ, GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ccmask @ 46
SOmehow, I think they would like to get back to their own lives. This has been quite a personal sacrifice for them
Oops. The post was SUPPOSED to say
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Coming up: KO talks about Rove getting a copy of Novakula’s Plame column 3 days early!!!!
I still
per everyone else, Shuster reporting on Waas on Olbermann.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
I chickened out on flying b/c of all those poor folks still stuck at LaGuardia Airport. So, I bit the bullet and drove. Good new, the Army Navy Club has wireless boradband. Bad news, they closed all the dining rooms and grills in the club for Presidents day, And the last real food I ate was some cinnamon raisin toast around (:30 this moring.
I’m goig to have go wander the streets in search of food after this thread. Travel adventures!
litigatormom @ 51
Okay. I guess this program can’t show my attempt to type a symblic equivalent for “I heart KO” and “I still heart KO.” Sorry for the confusion.
David Shuster saying that sources in the DOJ are saying that if Libby is convicted they are going to revisit Cheney’s role!!!!! WOOHOO!!!
I heart David Shuster too!!!!!
Requesting positive energy and prayers that the fdl team and prosecution and the jury will all get a good night’s sleep. I don’t wish the defense a poor night’s sleep, just silent on the issue.
May justice be done.
Professor Prop,
all of ya Plame legal eagles did such a good, concientious job setting realistic expectations for all us non lawyers in the trial lead up (dry, technical, proceedural, etc.)
and then to watch Fitz gobsmack y’all from the jump made it a real page turner, especially for us casual plameologists. whoo boy!
looseheadprop @ 48
Littleprop is doing great. Only in the 7th grade and she just got a 1400 on the SATs. My babay wants to take a college course this summer instead of going to camp. Go figure.
I doubt I will be going to Y2K. I am still trying to maitain the integrity of my nom de plume
LHP – I would strongly encourage Littleprop to attend CTY at Johns Hopkins, TIP at Duke or CTD at Northwestern.
We know a presidential pardon is possible. But is it probable?
egregious @ 55
EG what channel is KO on in DC? The Number
I get him on cable 67. Will check. msnbc
Are you army navy in DC, Arlington, or Fairfax?
litigatormom,
go here for html codes for characters like hearts, etc.
anyone can do it
now, if I could just figure out how to do colors . . .blast you *ilson!
looseheadprop @ 59
If you have Direct TV it’s 356.
Try 4 that’s nbc. Hm.
looseheadprop @ 35
LHP- (and apologies to all for pursing this OT question, but it’s like Fitzmas eve, and I am mentally trying to calm down).
There is a BBC site that describes all of the positions, and reading the descriptions of the various types it’s almost like horoscope reading. ;)BBC link here
A few snips from that:
~Second row- Invariably the tallest men in the team. It is their job to win the ball in the lineout and provide the main impetus to the scrum. Due to their height, weight and increased athleticism, locks now perform a vital role in loose play.
~Fullback- The player responsible for the last line of defence against both running attacks and tactical kicks. Must be rock solid under the high ball and unconcerned about the prospect of being gang tackled the moment he takes the catch. Can pop up unexpectedly to create an overlap in an attacking back line. An excellent kicker out of hand and also frequently performs goal-kicking duties.
clio @
34
Sigh. It’s clear that the comments are smarter than I. Managed to erase original comment #34 where I asked about Mr. Fitzgerald’s physical height.
I agree that Mr. Fitzgerald is very tall in all ways.
Let me also say that I, a non-lawyer, have been impressed and informed by the coverage of this trial. Thank you to everyone.
cbl @ 56
There is a point in artistic expression where the artist transends the conventions of his art and invents a whole new way of doing things. Pat’s evolution as a lawyer is like that
I recommend to all my students and their parents: Do math, do English and do history, and you will be OK.
egregious @ 63
4 is Howie Mandel. I cannot find KO (or much else) on this TV. Sigh
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
Shrub obviously didn’t do any of these…
LHP- can’t you call out for a pizza delivery or chinese? I hate it that you haven’t eaten!
msnbc isnt a basic channel in dc. if you have cable maybe.
can somebody live blog for lhp? mrEgr is hogging the tv.
Valley Girl @ 64
In all honesty, the only parts I am truly certain are that he played for AMherst and for Old Maroon. Though I don’t think I ever refereed him when he was with O/M. I have no recollection of refereeing him, and he is memorable.
Can anybody tell me what the heck that “Aspen” letter to Judy, Judy, Judy was all about? I wuz hoping that we’d hear something about it…
lhp, if littleprop can score 1400 while in 7th grade, she can probably handle the classwork. The rest of it may be a problem, but it isn’t so unusual that you can’t find someplace that understands it. (IMHO, and I know what happens when you get a score like that, too, having done it in 12th grade.)
LHP – Seriously?
LHP- I wasn’t trying to get you to “remember” re: the rugby positions- but I did think that the descriptions were amusing and apt re: Fitz at the trial.
P J Evans @ 74
There’s a program near Allentown PA, [Lehigh?] possibly all/mostlyfor girls? and at around her age. If interested I’ll ask my sister, who’s 2 science daughters just loved it.
Valley Girl @ 70
The front desk says there is a steak house around the corner that may be open until 10, so I may duck outta the thread around 9:30.
These clubs are a little stuffy. I don’t think a Dominos delivery would go over very well.
The nice thing about staying at a private club, is you get a really nice room, in a great location for almost NO money (I could have had a 2 bedroom suite for less than the DC Marriot Courtyard would charge me for a basic room) The downside is that you have to be dressed up ALL the time, and behave like a lady. For me, both are a stretch. ;o
This is OT Fitz, but I can’t get the Building 18 story [Dana Priest, today’s Washington Post] out of my head.
In the spirit of the rubberstamp, I think we should all send our Senators and Congressperson their own mousetraps with “Building 18–our vets deserve better” printed across ‘em.
At the very least, at every press conference, every town hall meeting, every meet’n’greet, every single member of Congress should be asked what they know and what they’re doing about Building 18. And all the rest of the shortcomings of how we treat our vets and wounded and KIA military. And what we’re doing to prepare for more, because that’s surely the track Gee Dubya and the rubberstamp Republicans have us on.
We can’t get near our Bubbledome Prez and the rest of BushCo, but we can demand answers from our Senators and Congresspeople. And the media who enable this war.
Oklahoma Kiddo,
do math, and then do more math -
my princess scored 40 points shy of perfect on SAT , took Advanced Placement Math classes from 7th grade on, happened to attend one of the best public schools in the country (Palo Alto) and still had to take a freshman math course in UC system
Thanks, lhp, for getting the preview juices flowing for tomorrow. I wonder if the 30-minutes-early start time is for some Judge Reggie Walton thunder about the Toensing piece. Perhaps an inquiry of each jury member to ensure that they did not see that silliness.
Prairie Sunshine @ 79
KO has this topic on right now
If Fitz and Co. are smart and, of course, they are, they will keep their summation as short as possible. This is not a complicated case. The evidence is not highly technical or voluminous.
Studies have shown that after about 50 minutes even the brightest and most disciplined minds begin to wander. 50 minutes for the initial summation and 25 minutes for the rebuttal summation should be more than enough time to make this case.
P J Evans @ 74
And to XYZ
She used her scores to get into the Johns Hopkins Program. But I think she will physically go to Roger Williams in Rhode Island. There is a philosophy class she wants to take being offered there.
Building 18—Chris Matthews had Dana Priest on with some horrible photos of the vets’ living conditions. Chris was really mad.
Sounds like you are at the downtown Army-Navy. If you were in Fairfax I wd bring you some cheeseburgers.
I went to one of those summer math programs at 16. Great time.
looseheadprop @ 78
So funny- one thing that is so great about the FDL trial coverage is the “local color commentary”! Your tidbit is great- I can picture you there!
Evil Parallel Universe @ 75
I’m not kidding. I was completely blown away by that Opening. Maybe I am over reacting, but I cannot get it out of my head. he played 3 little snippets of Libby’s questionings. You heard Libby the first time he lied, allhestitent and groping for words. You heard him the second time, trying to shade and reshape his prior testimony. By the last GJ date he was slick and confident in his lies.
NONE of this would have been apparent from just a transcript. The choice of those 3 little snippets and the timeline Pat did, with the tag line (we need this on a T shirt) You cannot learn as if for the first time on Thursday, something you were telling to others on Monday and Tuesday .
EW–did I get that quote right?
Prairie Sunshine @
79
Three years ago Dr Phil Beidler from the University of Alabama wrote a book called “Late Thoughts on an Old War” about the stupidity of the Vietnam War and that that was coming in Iraq. At the end he says, “In speaking of the soldiers of this war he says, “Don’t come home expecting anybody to remotely care”. We are too busy on our cell phones.” Folks are surprised that these troops are being thrown on the trash heap huh?
I had a philosophy prof. (logic and ethics) who once told me (many years ago) that everything IS philosophy. I didn’t get it then. Now I do.
cbl @ 80
math… ;0)
something like giving out on monday and tuesday. i’ll go look it up for you.
egregious @ 77
Thank you all for the offers of help, but Littleprop seems to have this all in hand. She has been driving this college course bus. I’m just along for the ride.
Boudica @ 25
“…nerves of steel, total humility, exquisitely nuanced taste/discretion, and a total belief in the “rightness” of the evidence to dare so simple and stark a presentation.”
My father, who was a prosecutor, then a judge, now a retired law professor, used to say the most competent, ethical lawyers never relied on tricks or techniques — that their character was more effective than anything a CLE course could teach. That describes Fitzgerald to a “T.” All the people who have been trying to figure out his “technique” miss the simple fact that he doesn’t have to rely upon one. He just is who he is and all flows from that.
And to XYZ
She used her scores to get into the Johns Hopkins Program. But I think she will physically go to Roger Williams in Rhode Island. There is a philosophy class she wants to take being offered there.
She is at a great age to start studying philosophy – I hope she loves it!
TeddySanFran @ 81
I think it is so they can do 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in th eafternoon, or some such
Prairie,
agree, agree, agree, all of us should be on the phones tomorrow (I did today) and writing that LTE - many of our friends and neighbors haven’t seen Dana’s piece or watched any program that spotlighted it, an LTE is one way to get it out there -
that what ?, 65-80% polling no last week against ‘removing funding’ should be appalled
No apology necessary, appreciate all you give to this community.
egregious @ 85
Saw that, eg. Made the thunderclouds really gather in the Sunshine household. We know what it’s like to deal with amputation and recovery and infections and phantom pain and all the nightmares with good health care and wonderful medical staff. Can’t even imagine the horror this is for these honorable men and women.
Shame on Bush. And his minions. They’ve all sold their souls for eternity.
LHP – If it was transcendent for you, then it was transcenden for you. I think it sounds a wee bit over the top, and I say that without questionning Fitz’ skills a prosecutor.
Were you in the Manhattan DA’s office (and if so when (generally time frame is fine)? Or am I totally off on your having prosecutor experience?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
I’m not sure if I knew what philosophy WAS in the 7th grade. The kid never ceases to amaze and delight me.
Katy Jenkins @ 94
EXACTLY!
EPU- re: transcendent- don’t forget that most of the jury are xx’s. What may be transcendent for an xx may not be so for an xy. Just a dimension to consider…
One wonders whether any of these cabal-eers ever took a real course in philosophy or just drank endlessly and thirstily from the trough of neocons, empire, and horrific greed.
congrats on your fine little one, lhp! major kudos.
From one of our favorite media channels, Marcyvision:
“You can’t learn something startling on Thursday that you give out on Tuesday.” ——Fitzgerald
Here’s the whole Prosecution Opening Statement blog from Jan 23.
Did you know that many, many ancient Greek philosophers gathered in caves to discuss the verboten concept of the existance of negative numbers, and actually killed each other over the issue. Now that’s what I call debating.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 100
I was a Federal Prosecutor in NYC.
*xyz @ 8
I think the prosecution and the defense have a total of 3 hours each – including the rebuttal
egregious @ 105
THAT’s The T-shirt quote!
thank you
IMO, I don’t think Toensing will show her face tomorrow.
looseheadprop @ 109
Why do we think he said Monday or Tuesday? Anyone? Marcy?
And just this afternoon on a different matter, when the Prosecution might rest, I was dispensing Friedman-like wisdom on Tuesday and Wednesday.
been away from the ‘pooter all day, so someone has probably already posted Glenn Greenwald’s piece taking Doughy Pantload to task for his reaction to “The Other Walter Reed”.
LHP – When?
Matching shirts, the jury liked them before. KIDDING! So hair trigger about jury tampering here.
The Nation, Mother Jones, and USpoliticsonline all include Monday.
Nation—”You cannot learn something startling on Thursday that you were giving out on Monday and Tuesday,” Fitzgerald declared.
uspo—“You can’t learn something startling on Thursday that you’re giving out Monday and Tuesday of the same week,” Fitzgerald said.
mj—As Fitzgerald put it, “You can’t learn something startling on Thursday that you were giving out on Monday and Tuesday.”
That was a challenge to beat the 5 minute clock. Whew.
ccmask @ 110
Has she shown her face previously? You mean at the trial?
Evil Parallel Universe @ 113
Late 80’s into 90’s
egregious @ 115
That’s how I rmeber it. Monday and Tuesday. There was a timeline up when he said it.
Quick, anybody got any anti-bacterial lotion? I just went to Dan Burton’s website.
Sent the following to My congresscritters, with a copy to the National Commander of the American Legion:
I cannot stand the NY Times. Now this outfit is serving up info provided by “intel” that tells us about the real threats to the U.S. Excuse me. But didn’t the Times help promote the Iraq attack, based on false Bush intel?
Guys,
I’m gonna jump for a little bit and try to go find a steak and some cabernet. If anybody has any questions or anything I will be back around 10 ish.
Hugs and kisses all around
At bottom this affair is about an intolerable selfcontradiction within the definition of ‘national security’ championed by the Cheney OVP and right wing generally.
I’m quite sure that Fitzgerald and his circle have arrived at a pithy and deadly articulation of it. I mean, once you have the central conceit of a criminal narrative figured out, assembling and arguing a winning case doesn’t require much guesswork. And Team Fitz has cruised here….
Want to worry about something? Worry about Pakistan and it’s nuclear weapons.
Oklahoma kiddo @
67
AND – do something artistic – like art, music, dance!
Another teacher (and parent)
looseheadprop @ 116
I’m sorry–I was thinking of Barbara Comsock. So hard to keep it together. My bad. I was thinking Comstock was Toesing all weekend. Egads.
KathieinMN @ 124
Yes! ;0)
Which Democratic Senators voted with Republicans to not support a debate on Iraq?
Mr. Fitzgerald must be a joy to work with. And a wonderful teacher about the things that matter.
ccmask @ 125
I get confused too: is it Toensing who is Barbara’s Comsockpuppet, or vice versa?
LHP: Well done, this was a pleasure to read, especially this:
“It takes, all in one unified moment: nerves of steel, total humility, exquisitely nuanced taste/discretion, and a total belief in the “rightness” of the evidence to dare so simple and stark a presentation. It was like Shaker furniture, or the glistening perfection of a white marble Doric column…”
jillian @ 122
If, by ‘cruised’ you mean climbing up an icy mountain on your hands and knees for 3 years, sure.
I think we should organize a firedog pool
the boxes would include which counts he’s found guilty, which not guilty, which are hung
the boxes would also include plea deals including which charges are plead
obviously we don’t have tons of combinations so winner boxes would share their share (or donate back to the site
instead of cash back we could opt for books that have been featured or sponsored by the lake
Since the prosecution has the burden of proof, they prosecution gets to rebut whatever the defense says in closing. The opening portion of the prosecution’s closing argument will focus on the jury instructions, what it must prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and what it has proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Rebuttal, which is what Master Fitz will do is to closing arguments as rock-and-roll is to music. Fitz will refute each point that the defense makes during its closing. I estimate that the prosecution will spend 1 to 1-1/2 hours with their opening closing argument and Fitz will spend the rest of the prosecution’s time dismantling the defense, such as it was, and it wasn’t much.
It’ll be lots of fun to kick back and watch a real pro let the evidence speak for itself. Don’t expect him to wave the “bloody shirt” in front of the jury in a crass effort to appeal to their emotions. As he did in his opening statement, expect the evidence to do his talking for him, so to speak, because his message is that this trial isn’t about politics; this trial is about what laws were violated, who violated them, and how they violated them.
In the end, there will be no doubt and I will be dancing in the streets, which probably will get me arrested by the cops since I live in Kentucky — where the cops are the racketeers. the judges are their enablers, the 4th and 5th amendments no longer apply, the jails and prisons are full of people convicted of possessing pot, the cops bust people and the judges convict them of possessing drug paraphernalia because they possessed rolling papers, and that quintessential jerk, Mitch McConnell, is the minority leader of the Senate.
all serpents on the same hydra m’dear : )
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
None.
Lieberskunk, former Democrat, voted with the Republibums.
The game Senator Johnson of SD was still in hospital.
Katy Jenkins @
94
Yes it all flows from that. Your father must be a very wise man. That’s why Victoria Toensing is so nervous.
Prairie Sunshine @ 135
Thanks. I thought I heard Scarborough say a few mins. ago that four Demos voted with Repubs. I must have miss heard, thank goodness.
Actually perris—–
I disagree about doing a pool. Yes I ran one for the U.S. Congressional elections, but this is serious business. /snark
We are under a microscope as the mass media comes here for Libby trial news. Need to be on our best behavior for the time being.
Valley Girl @ 64
This is something LHP and I have talked about. If he looked like he does now when he was at Amherst, he would have played second row. Fitz and I have a rugby coach in common, and every guy who looked, physically, like Fitz played second row.
But I hear he was skinny in college, so who knows?!?!?
OT:
Barack Obama is in the Bay Area tonite, at a Barbara Boxer fundraiser at the Westin St. Francis. What does Hillary Clinton think about Barbara Boxer having Obama come here and raise money for her 2010 Senate re-election campaign?
punaise @ 129
lol!
[bold egr]
—–waves hi to Marcy—–
TeddySanFran @ 140
Well… it might cause Hillary to become angry. ;0)
Per local newscast, Obama raised $400k for himself at the Ferry Building earlier today; he’s raising $350k for Boxer’s 2010 race this evening; another $400k later this evening for himself.
Local news reminds us that Hillary and Boxer are related by marriage, and that she’s made no endorsement or President.
TeddySanFran @ 143
damn, I knew the Ferry Building had expensive markets in it, but still…
Book promotion:
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egregious @ 111
Monday: Ari
Tuesday: Judy
I can’t vouch for what he said, because (as we all know) the liveblog is not a transcript.
Of course, I would edit Fitz and say, you can’t learn something startling on Thursday that you have written proof of knowing on Tuesday (Addington).
But it doesn’t have the same punch.
punaise @ 145
Haven’t sported for the caviar place yet, but there are 3 buck Boont Ambers at the Wine Bar.
I swear my Comsock was a typing error. But, I like it. A lot. Or maybe Comstuck?
But it doesn’t have the same punch.
Punch and Judy? Or was that Ari and Judy?
Maybe it was Pinch and Judy. :o
tryggth @ 148
that sounds like some kind of happy hour discount…hubba hubba
KathieinMN @ 124
I enjoyed science classes too.
I figure you should learn as much as possible, in as many areas as possible, because you don’t know what will be needed later.
looseheadprop @
42
Jane told me once that Fitz is 6′ 2″
lhp, thanks for another great summary. And there’s good news on Walter Reed:
Repairs Begin on Building 18
I hope Dana Priest gets another Pulitzer.
lhp, if u r still @. You said this morning that the draft verdict statements were not in the public domain. I have them (at least the ones filed in District Court). Redd has them, too. just let me know if you need them.
Waive opening close. Reserve closing close.
TiredFed @ 155
She’ll be back at 10ish. Food run.
A rather cryptic note, but one of you know to whom I address this comment. Two comments in thread were not what I expected of the Omniscient One. Asking someone to provide info that may out themselves, given their likely circumstances gleaned over many months of comments, is unwarranted. Surely you realize we have minders here, and some persons risk much to participate at FDL in today’s politically sensitive environment.
P J Evans @ 152
I couldn’t agree more. ;0)
John Forde @ 153
The Vanity Fair article states that he is 6′2″ and 215 lbs..
And, regarding the Thursday/Monday/Tuesday quote, there’s something along that line in his 10/28/05 press conference.
Completely agree Rayne, thanks for speaking up.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 75
LHP – you give me reason to believe that good can triumph over evil. Your profound respect and admiration for Fitz certainly gives me hope and adds an interesting dimension to the FDL coverage of the Libby trial.
OT, but it was being discussed earlier. Walter Reed is starting to make repairs to Building 18.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00759.html
Rayne – Seriously, if LHP doesn’t want to disclose any info, then LHP won’t, and I won’t hold it against LHP in anyway or feel bad or whatever. You may think it inappropriate to ask, but I’ll assume that LHP can decide that for herself/himself and answer or not answer.
looseheadprop @ 48
Littleprop is doing great. Only in the 7th grade and she just got a 1400 on the SATs. My babay wants to take a college course this summer instead of going to camp. Go figure.
I doubt I will be going to Y2K. I am still trying to maitain the integrity of my nom de plume
LHP, you must be so proud! Does your state have a program like Washington state’s Running Start? It allows high school students to attend community college during their junior and senior years, earning high school credits for taking college courses, and usually resulting in receiving an associates degree at the same time they receive their high school diploma. Both my daughters went into this program; the elder then went on to a different-but-similar program in a technical college that is allowing her to earn a certification as well as her associates and high school diploma (at 18 she’s now in her 3rd year of college with plans for 6 or 7 more years) and the younger (at 16) is working on her general undergrad requirements before heading off to a university for her bachelors and then grad school. Oh, and the best part? With Running Start, the school district pays their tuition!
What does LittleProp want to study?
John Casper – See above.
rayne-
i was going to suggest that the mods make that disappear.
Thank you, John Casper.
And a shout out to visitors from Japan, Australia, France; aloha to Waikoloa. Hail to Harvard.
And hello to Skadden Arps. ;-)
Peekaboo.
I hope Libby gets nailed, but I keep wondering why none of the Bushniks are being tried for the treasonous act of outing an undercover intelligence operative?
McCain thinks Rumsfeld was incompetent, but the Def. Sec.’s boss, Bush, isn’t?
John Forde @ 153
I think he is 6′4″. Dave Kelley is 6′1″ and Pat towers over him. Also, Pat does not look short next to Comey who is reputed to be 6′8″
TiredFed @ 155
Where did you find them? Are they on Pacer now?
lotsa folks at the Plame House tonight! I’m so jealous. I have copies of the verdict forms that Libby and Fitz filed. Fitz’ forms are pretty austere, but Libby’s are pretty outrageous. Plus, they went over them with a fine-toothed comb in court, so I have no idea what they look like now. I could not follow all the wording changes (as amazing a job as Marcy did with her liveblogging). Maybe you can get copies tomorrow at the court. Never hurts to ask. I will be checking PACER in the a.m., but all of us TiredFeds got a day off today.
LHP – I asked CHS to send you an email, so look for it though it may not come for awhile given the trial covereage.
Perhaps we could use our nations resources a little more wisely and divert some fo the funds being used building the largest embassy the world has ever seen to do some roach and leak repair work at Walter Reed Hospital.
-GSD
Fitz foot two.
duplicate
Evil Parallel Universe @ 164
Hey EPU,
You were on my mind while I ate (nice Maryland crab chowder and a steak sandwich with chimmi churrah)
Couple of things:
Transcendent. I don’t think Pat’s Opening was transcendent, so much as completley original. So totally NOT what they teach you in advocacy class in law school, so NOT what they teach in the NYTA course, so NOT what they teach in CLE.
It was so freash ans clean ans SIMPLE.
2) were you there on Opening day? I ask because there was someone who’s face I recognized as being from NYC, but I cannot place where I know him from. Could it be you?
Do I know you from home?
lhp. glad to see ur back. hope you got plenty of donuts. haha. Libby’s verdict forms are doc # 259. subsequent motions have been filed. in fact, Fitz filed one today (no can call Fitz a tired Fed). it is out on NoEasyAnswer.blogspot. do you need the original verdict forms?
I’ll be riveted once again tomorrow. By this point, people who I work around in the first half of my day know what’s up, so trying to be discrete is useless. Funny thing is, it took me awhile to figure out who else is hooked on this investigation while all along I thought it was just me ;)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
Only one – the name that must not be spoken (and someone punaise particularly likes just kidding)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 170
And Cheney thinks Don was the best SecDef in history, oddly leaving his own self out of contention!
dab from CT @ 181
no harm no foul on that – the contemptible one is not a Democrat.
Damiana @ 165
LHP, you must be so proud! Does your state have a program like Washington state’s Running Start? It allows high school students to attend community college during their junior and senior years, earning high school credits for taking college courses, and usually resulting in receiving an associates degree at the same time they receive their high school diploma. Both my daughters went into this program; the elder then went on to a different-but-similar program in a technical college that is allowing her to earn a certification as well as her associates and high school diploma (at 18 she’s now in her 3rd year of college with plans for 6 or 7 more years) and the younger (at 16) is working on her general undergrad requirements before heading off to a university for her bachelors and then grad school. Oh, and the best part? With Running Start, the school district pays their tuition!
What does LittleProp want to study?
Littleprop wanted to be an archeologist when she was in 3rd grade. An Egyptologist to be precise. ANd she worked at it (even mumified a Barbie Doll).When she was 9 we went to the British Museum with a real archeolist friend of mine to see their excellent Egypt collection. SHe skunked him on osme of the artifacts (he still tells his doctoral students about it).
Then she wanted to be an actress. Last week she announced that she is quitting acting class because it is too superficial.
I have no idea what she wants to be. Hell, she only turned 13 in December. She has plenty of time to figure it out. For now,I am content that she explore
Libby filed a response (motion) today to Fitz’ request for 15 more minutes to close and something about the verdict forms. doc #298-1.
lhp — Fitz sure looks all of 6′-4″ in that pic. My spouse is just 6′-3″ and Fitz looks taller. Must be imposing in the courtroom.
Speaking of men and height, that pic earlier of Wells and Libby made me wonder how tall Libby is. Maybe some of Libby’s problems are “short man syndrome,” Type 2. Type 1 is the arrogant snot who tries to make up for his lack of physical stature with swagger — the Napoleon complex. Type 2 is the hanger-on who subordinates himself entirely to those in power to curry favor in order to be appreciated in spite of lack of physical stature.
Thankyou much LHP and everyone for the wonderful preview and brainstorming sessions. Can’t begin to tell you all how helpful it is for us non-lawyers out here.
Still gonna be a wreck the next few days, but the good folk at the Lake sure make the time pass more easily.
Stay safe and warm, DC dawgs. I’m sure we’re ALL with you in spirit. ;->
Evil Parallel Universe @
164
We all know LHP can decide. We’re damn lucky to have him/her as a poster, why even go there? You’re asking him/her to reveal information on a public board? Why ask him/her to make that decision? There’s a familiarity about FDL that implies a safety that doesn’t exist. Send ReddHedd or Jane or Pach an email. They can forward it and if lhp wants to get back to you, s/he will. OT, your handle is among the best known at FDL. If newbies see you asking those kind of questions, they are going to think they have a right to ask them as well.
LHP – No, I haven’t been in DC since I worked in Congress as an L.A. And I don’t think you know me, but I do think you know of (and perhaps even opposed) EPU, Sr. Thus, the questions. When you get the email I asked CHS to send, we will find out.
TiredFed @ 185
I will go over to no easy answer. If not, I will see if I can pull off Pacer (if I canremeber my pacer # , didn’t bring it with me. It live on a “post it” on the wall of my office
Rayne @ 186
Libby is quite petite
Nancy Pelosi breaks another ceiling, appointing Lorraine C. Miller Clerk of the House of Representatives.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 189
Really? Your dad? That would be very cool. Now I have to think of all the very best I ever had on the other side.
John Casper @ 188
Thank you all for jumping to my defense. But I didn’t tellEPU anything tonight that I have not said on some previous thread.
And I don’t think it will make or break my ID. I love you all for worrying about me.
lhp. I have .pdfs from PACER of several of these motions. I sent ones from prior to today to Christy and will send these (today’s filings) shortly. please let me know if you need them by email. I’m heading for bed (TiredFed is an early riser with a teenager).
If Libby gets found guilty and Bush offers a pardon, it will be done immediately. If he does it now, the elections are so far off, most people will forget (not us) and that is what the WH is banking on. After all, many Washington pundits say there is no interest in this case outside the beltway (which is crap IMO. I think they say that because the Washington Establishment will fall and many journalists are afraid of that). Honestly, if a pardon comes immediately, I would think that the DOJ and others will step in and start some form of internal and swift investigations, etc. It will be their green light to take action. There are others that are waiting on this verdict and not just us.
If the jury finds him not guilty, then too bad for us.
One final thought – lets not forget sealed vs. sealed. I’m sure Fitz has covered all scenarios – I can’t see him leaving himself wide open to ridicule after he has been stellar in every aspect of his duties. I think we may all be surprised at the fallout.
I meant to say, “honestly, if a guilty verdict comes down, I would think that the DOJ…..”
RH. you’ve got mail.
TiredFed @ 195
I’m going to bed soon myself. I’ll get them fromChristy tomorrow. Thanks
emptywheel (aka Marcy)- #139 – (also for LHP)
Thanks for indulging me re: my question re: Fitz’s rugby position. Would have replied sooner, but I was off writing a lecture on “toad vision” for tomorrow.
I lived in the UK for ten years with a Welshman who was a rugby fanatic. He had “debentures” for Cardiff Arms Park, so I got to see many of the greats in action… Gareth Edwards, JPR Willams, etc. (Including “the GE try”- greatest of all time).
Off-Topic:
There’s another progressive organization deserving of our support, and they’re strangers in a strange land, too.
Please see Music Row Democrats, a grass-roots org of musicians in Neocon Nashville, led by people like Natalie Maines, Rodney Crowell and Nanci Griffith.
You can spend $20 and get 20 downloadable songs from members of the organization.
Please help support Music Row Democrats. They were a big supporter of Harold Ford Jr. back in November, and they need our support to counteract the Charlie Daniels of the world.
I think we should get all those Gooper politicos who purport to “Prairie Sunshine @ 79
supPrairie Sunshine @ 79
We should send all those Gooper Congresscritters who pretend to “support” the troops but don’t want to take care of them when they come home shot to pieces to check into a Roach Motel, from which they can’t check out.
Hi,
I’m a friend of Jesselyn Radack and I know she’s tried to contact FDL for help. Her email was probably lost in your spam catcher.
At anyrate, Jesselyn Radack posted a thread at Kos about the terrorization of lawyers.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/19/65324/9733
Her article appeared in the National Law Journal today.
Christy, as a lawyer and prosecutor as well as a fierce defendant of our consitution, would you be interested in contacting Jesselyn Radack?
FDL has been covering the Libby trial extensively, but Ms. Radack has the insider’s view of the administration and as a former employee of the justice dept. she has the personal perspective that could shed some light on this too.
Please contact her at:
media_inquiries AT patriotictruthteller.net
Valley Girl @ 200
OK ,so now I’m jealous
looseheadprop @ 204
It was really wonderful! There are some YouTubes of the famous “try”. I will post one if I can find it. How long will you be up?
TeddySanFran @ 182
And yet McCain can’t stop hugging the guy who let Rummy incompetently run DoD for six frakkin’ years. I wonder if President John “Forked Tongue” McCain will move any faster to clear incompetents out of HIS cabinet….
Just saw Dana Priest being interviewed on PBS News Hour re: the 4 month investigation of Walter Reed outpatient care she & Anne Hull did leading up to Sunday’s WaPo expose article.
Tough & experienced journalist that she is, Priest apparently admitted to Judy Woodruff before they went on air that she wept @ times in the evening after interviewing some of Reed’s 700 outpatients about the lack of care. Also said she & Hull deliberately avoided the Army/Walter Reed P.R. flacks, who only wanted to show them the main hospital’s stellar inpatient & rehab facilities…
LHP- YouTube of “The greatest try of all time”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA
Just a little something to get you into the mood for tomorrow. ;)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 58
I think the only thing that will stop it is a vote of “not guilty”.
The reason the President (or the Vice President, more accurately) will want to give him a pardon is that he kept his mouth shut.
Editorials like Toensing’s yesterday in the WaPo are setting up the excuse, which is that Libby was just picked on by a vengeful, out-of-control prosecutor. This is important because if there’s no shiny object to distract the lowest thirty percent of American minds that the Republicans need to keep in the fold, they won’t have any base left.
I’m making no claims of special knowledge here, just my own peculiar brand of cynicism.
Valley Girl @ 208
Thank you. That made my day. By the end they were up to what? fourth phase? Sixth phase? ball?
Just brilliant
Don’t forget the Wilsons civil suit, from which a Libby pardon would offer no protection. IANAL but if I remember correctly, a pardon would place Libby at higher risk civilly because he would have nothing to hide behind.
Cujo359 @ 209
Agreed. The only question is when Bush would do it. I think it would not happen until after the 2008 elections. If he got pardoned before then, he would have no way to avoid being called back before a grand jury, or from being deposed in the Wilsons’ civil suit (because he would no longer have any 5th Amendment right to refuse to testify).
Pending the January 2009 pardon, there will be a wink and a nod, of course, so that Scooter doesn’t start blabbing to Fitz about The Dick in orderto save his skin. With appeals, he’s unlikely to do much if any time before he get’s his get out of jail free card.
Still, Scooter will always be “pardoned after he was convicted.”
looseheadprop @ 210
Ohh!!! I am so glad you enjoyed it! I’ve watched it about 5 times since I posted my link! Brilliant indeed!
National Law Journal link:
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/Pub…..1620175651
Prop
off to bed.Say Hi to TRex for me. Need to be bright eyed and bushy tailed for tomorrow.
Somewhere inthe quey is a post from me on post trial motions and the difference between Jury Nullification and Judgemetn notwithsatnidng verdict.
Inside baseball, but it may come up.
Friend of J.R. @ 214
I gave the Kos diary a quick once over. I will try to read the LAw Journal piece.This is not the first story of its kind I have heard.
punaise @
112
Could you summarize what Goldberg said about the Walter Reed story? I’d like to avoid having to go through the ad process at Salon on dial-up.
Were Goldberg’s remarks via his column in the LA Times?
Marie Roget @ 207
You can just bet security’s going to tighten up around there, can’t you?
TeddySanFran @
182
Contention…did you mean cortortion?
The Gulag/Building 18
montag @
217
will do, in a moment
fresh trex upstairs
Shorter Jonah? Priest made it up, talked only to whiners, I have an e-mail says so. If you want the truth, get Geraldo off Anna Nicole and send him to get the Truth.
Goldberg said he’d believe it if Faux would take Geraldo Rivera off the Anna Nicole Smith story (and they should), but not b/c he doesn’t necessarily believe the story, but he (and the world) can’t trust a liberal reporter like Priest and only Faux can verify its truthfulness.
That’s it in a nutshell.
montag – from Greenwald’s piece, titled:
“Unbearably, painfully, depressingly funny”
After high praise for Dana Priest, he dissects Jonah Goldberg’s response –
portion of update 1:
montag @ 217
His remarks were in the NRO. Not sure if it’s worth the wait or not. Greenwald does makes some good points, but if you’re at all familiar Jonah Goldberg, they’re very familiar points. Here’s one good part, though:
If you’re not familiar with Jonah, go here:
http://cujo359.blogspot.com/20…..moron.html
then follow all the links, and follow the links at those links. I think it will be quite some time before you reach Salon.
bg @ 220
You got that right.
New WaPoo article, Tuesday’s dateline, about the Walter Reed/Building 18 disgrace–former aid chief who was supposed to help families was busily organizing his own little private charity. Meanwhile Novakula looms in the op-ed column of the website…more shame you, Donald Graham.
This series is Pulitzer work from Dana Priest and Anne Hull.
Think Bushie and The Librarian ever saw any of this when his p.r. flacks set up his little sanitized photo-ops with families and soldiers? Think Tony Snowjob’s going to be able to blow smoke up the asses of the mutton press corps or will they actually prove themselves worthy to carry Priest’s notebooks?
Dana Priest and Anne Hull are my heroes.
Maybe the defense could just read the article by Victoria Toensing from the WAPO Outlook section and make sure they see the phony mug shots of Fitz and Wilson. Or perhaps some of the jurors had a peek at that article on Sunday, there is no doubt Wapo published it for just that reason. The wingnut spin cycle is on the fast setting and they’re dizzy, I hope they rot in hell.
Prairie Sunshine @ 227
It certainly ought to be.
In order:
Are you kidding me? Of course he will. Are you kidding me?
I think I’ll trust Dana Priest over Geraldo. Her track record is much better, for one thing. (For that matter, I think I’d trust Anna Nicole’s reporting over Geraldo’s. And she’s still dead.)
VG – punaise jr. took up rugby this year. quite a change from the soccer we’re used to watching!
Rep. Murtha is known to visit Walter Reed all the time. How did this crap get past him?
P J Evans @ 230
I’m with you there. This story and the black sites ones had to be tough to do. She did them well, and as someone observed earlier, she took a whole lot of crap from some pretty worthless people as a result.
punaise @ 225
Thanks. Shorter Jonah: only Fox is a trustworthy news source.
Even shorter: Jonah, the fuckin’ idiot.
Cujo359 @ 226
Oh, I am quite familiar with Goldberg. I asked because I was in the middle of writing a blog draft and said that it would not take long for the drooling idjits on the right to start attacking Priest and Hull for the piece. Guess that needs an asterisk (* oops, they’ve already started).
egregious @ 60
In Alexandria, he’s on MS-NBC 30.
looseheadprop:
I don’t understand the meaning of your strange handle, but you’re a very gifted writer and I love to read your posts and comments. As you point out in your observations about lawyering, content, timing and delivery are all profoundly important. You have all three going for you in your writing. I hope you find other topics on which to opine in the near future.
egregious @ 105
Thanks for finding the relevant link.
The very first paragraph of Fitz’s opening statement hit this thing directly hard enough to go out of the ballpark. The additional emphasis is mine.
That, folks, is what this is all about. On the first pitch of the game, Fitz swung his bat and absolutely NAILED it!
I don’t see Wells leaping any wall high enough to make this catch tomorrow. This one went deep.
Friend of J.R. @ 214
Jesselyn Radack (& Friend):
Your public service, Jesselyn, and the completely unwarranted sacrifices you’ve made as a result of the machinations of a corrupt, politically-motivated Executive Branch, are a poster child for the whistleblowing problems Congress has let secretly fester, to the great detriment of good faith whistleblowers, and thus to honest and ethical conduct in our federal government. Ms. Radack’s treatment at the hands of certain high officials of the DOJ is appalling. And to think that employees of that department are the ones charged with tracking down destruction of evidence in other parts of the Executive Branch, including in this CIA leak investigation…
Instead of pandering to corporate-subsidiary media outlets and their demands for federal testimony shield legislation for their corporate employees, the time has long since come for Members of Congress to demand a thorough and comprehensive review of the use and abuse of classification authority in the Executive Branch, and of violations of and loopholes in protections for whistleblowers (including in their post-government careers) who report clear cases of wrongdoing in our federal government. Ms. Radack’s case should be used as the opening bell in the establishment of a special Congressional commission to explore how the “national security” excuse for widespread government secrecy is diminishing and corrupting the rule of law in this country, behind closed doors, and threatening our Constitutional right to liberty and equal justice as a result. The media’s professed need to protect anonymous sources (by way of exempting reporters from providing federal testimony in criminal investigations) is but a misleading symptom: the cause that must be addressed and cured is the ongoing abuse of classification secrecy and the trust of public office in the pursuit of illegal and unethical ends.
Jesselyn Radack is now courageously on record, in her own words. Congress: get her in front of your committees, and pursue the corrupt DOJ officeholders who have abused the public trust to target her with vindictive “payback” for her honesty and honorable conduct as a federal public servant in our Department of Justice.
emptywheel @
139
do tell?
intriguing.
small world?
You ALL are crazy. Libby walks in less than 30 minutes. Fitz hasn’t even gotten close to making a case and EVERY one of his witnesses has serious memory problems. This should never have even gone to trial. If Fitz wants to make a case for illegal disclosure, he should have made that case. This one is a COMPLETE farce.
looseheadprop says:
(216–I think it was)
I can not speak too much, but I can say that Jesselyn Radack has been a beacon of light to some in the DOJ.
I don’t want to say anymore or Gonzo may do what they did to Jesselyn and give them the Gitmo-light treatment.
I will say that they persecuted her. They didn’t just fire her. And in that respect, I doubt anyone here is surprised. Afterall, even in 04, before I became aware of the politicalized environment in DC, I remember hearing that Clarke was going to get blacklisted for his book on Bush.
But I do know that Radack’s book is an indictment of the Bush administration on many levels and the major book publishing companies refused to publish this hot potato. And of course the media has been silent (no surprise there).
But Ray McGovern and a group of other whistleblowers has been trying to help her get her story and book out there. So if anyone lives in Olympia, WA–you can catch Ray McGovern and the book tonight at an Impeachment Town Hall. (It’s on the kos link.)
Cracker @
241
your name says it all
Friend of J.R. @ 242
WOrdpress getting weird again. That is not a quote from me. However, I am a big Ray McGoven fan.
DELBERT MATHANEY @ 33
DELBERT! I love yah! I’m glad you brought your (presumably) “hairy white Irish a$$” out to play on this most important day!! Good Morning to you!
yellowdog jim @
240
Not all that intriguing. I went to Amherst (and played rugby) not long after Fitz went. Men and women shared a rugby coach.
For position Pat Fitzgerald played, at least while an adult:
This is from http://tomfaranda.typepad.com/…..ugby_.html , whom I hope is making a full recovery from cancer.
“Encyclopedic knowledge of the case.”
Exactly what one law school trial clinic professor said was the single most important thing for a lawyer to possess at trial.
Hey LHP,
You mentioned that your daughter might take classes at Roger Williams. Are you all from RI?
Former RIer here. My mom actually worked in the Bursar’s Office of Roger Williams when my sister and I were kids; and yes, we lived right in Bristol. :) Tell LittleProp that “Tweet” Balzano’s is a good place to get some after-school antipasto and spaghetti. :)
m
I don’t post here very much; but do trolls like Cracka come on here often? Next he’s going to tell us that we just want the Bush Junta to collapse because we want free abortions for everyone. (rolls eyes)
Don’t laugh–I’ve actually seen that kind of crap on UseNet (which I no longer visit as a result of that shit, by the way).
Snuffy,
Navy callsign that is a play on my last name, but thanks for being narrow minded. What a surprise.
Libby trial is a necessary precursor to going after Cheney:
- Trial has clearly established that Cheney told Libby about Plame and that Cheney directed/orchestrated the outing via multiple avenues
- Plame was under Non-Official Cover (although not really deep) and had been overseas within the last 5 yrs per two mainstream journalists (looks true – CIA referred the case to Justice, although it may have been just out of principle)
- If Libby is found guilty beyond any doubt, Fitzgerald has the public and political foundation to formalize charges – edict or forward to Congress – against Cheney for violating:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/…..ection_Act
If I read it right, it doesn’t matter if Cheney was or wasn’t authorized to declassify classified info. Outing a covered agent is outing an agent. Even if he can’t flip Libby, I think he’ll press and go after Cheney…
Mac