At first,
When I see you cry
It makes me smile.
It makes me smile.
At worst,
I feel bad for a while,
But then I just smile,
I just smile…
(Lilly Allen, 'Smile')
(TRex Says: Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a big FDL welcome to pit bull pundit Cliff Schecter!)
Just when whiplash had begun to set in from the perpetual shaking of my head to-and-fro at the sight of each subsequent sign progressives have learned nothing from the Bush Years–a ray of light perhaps?
Before I get to that, I must admit to being quite perplexed at the continual lack of a killer instinct on our side, an unwillingness to go for the jugular that Republican-turned-fierce-Bush critic and astute poltiical analyst Kevin Phillips has described as a debilitating Democratic weakness.
I have often wondered what it will take to wake people on our side up? Keith Olbermann's ratings have seen a meteoric rise in the wake of his special comments. Bill Clinton's verbal backhand to Chris Wallace's overwrought cranium on the FoxNews Channel became the stuff of legend. Colbert at the White House Correspondents Dinner is still being watched non-stop on YouTube.
Yet, Democrats continue to fall flat on their collective face when encountering the GOP's Machiavellian maneuvering with this Iraq "escalation," or as Rep. Don Young likes to call it, "my second favorite plan for male enhancement" (Note: I can't find the source, but know I heard it somewhere). Furthermore, the Nevada division of the Party of Jefferson, apparently having learned nothing from the constant drumbeat of smears against its presidential candidates past and present, has awarded Fox the right to host a Democratic presidential debate in that key Western state. These are only two of many examples I could cite.
It's enough to make you want to just say bollocks to the whole thing, and go out on the town for a guaranteed good time with Dusty Foggo. But let's get back to that ray of hope. This week, we saw blogger and author Glenn Greenwald absolutely destroy misquoting, intellectual mud-bath Frank Gaffney on the radio, and something even more profound is going on in the grassroots.
An Iraq War veteran, Leonard Clark, is starting a petition drive in Arizona to recall Senator John McCain. Clark, who in a conversation with me said he was "compelled to do this" for his "comrades left behind," and used as "political props" by McCain, is a genuine man who in a different time would likely find himself in a very different place. But these are dangerous times, and he's willing to put it all on the line for the small chance he is able to deliver a Buster Douglas-to-Mike Tyson kind of blow to stop McCain's cynical manipulation of this war (while the recall would be non-binding, as McCain is a federal public servant, he signed a statement saying he would step down if a measure such as this passed).
Democrats, pay heed! We need more Gleen Greenwalds and Leonard Clarks in in our political system (Hint to progressive funders: Some more infrastructure to fund these kinds of people would, um, be nice). Furthermore, understand that if you speak with conviction and clarity, you do not need to lock yourself in the cultural box Democrats have largely lived in rhetorically since the Reagan years, afraid of exercising their larynx on "controversial" issues.
Conservatism has been dealt a deadly blow over the past few years. Progressivism has its opportunity. Don't sit idly and passively by while allowing the Leninist Right to win elections and debates by default, because we don't offer leadership and forcefully engage in politics.
Carpe diem Democrats! Or as Leonard Clark said in the end of an email to me: Long Live The Republic!
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fitz
Welcome Cliff!!
It’s an FDL theory that Democrats have been powerless and beaten down so long they react like battered spouses.
Even some people at the Washington Post are getting braver.
I find it difficult to believe that article on the horrific conditions for wounded vets at Walter Reed would have gotten A plus page one treatment until recently.
The tides are turning.
Evening, everyone. Cliff should be along shortly.
I so apologize folks…Baby stuff. I am here!
egregious @ 3
I agree…I was actually shocked with the Post and their water carrying for Bush. Let’s hope it’s a trend!
T-Rex baby, you sure can pick those songs!
That FOX-hosting story has to be the stupidest Harry Reid move ever. All Democratic candidates should boycott that Nevada debate if FOX is involved. Isn’t Obama still cold-shouldering FOX Noise Channel after the madrassa libel? Is Reid dismissing Obama by arranging this? Funny it should happen simultaneously with Reid’s son joining Hillary’s campaign.
Hi Cliff! Hello theropod!
Cliff Schecter @ 5
Small items of business, or a live creature? :)
Cliff Schecter @ 7
Isn’t it great?!
I think I love that girl.
Welcome, Mr. Schecter, and thanks for being one of the few who will stand up on his hind legs and hit back.
I have no idea why the Dems are so terminally timid, but I almost gave up on the party when NO ONE of note stood up and called out the Swift Boat Veterans for “Truth” on the crap they were spewing.
They’re starting already on Barack Obama. I see push-back from the blogs, but not so much from the MSM, or the “powers that be” in the party.
It’s not really Mr. Obama’s job to deal with this shit, is it? If someone said dreadful things about me I would rely on my friends to set the facts out and get the story straight. Is this an unreasonable request?
TeddySanFran @ 8
Hi Teddy! I could not agree more! To reward that kind of behavior is just inane. It makes me want to scream…I mean did you see this morning (or hear about) Brit Hume questioning Murtha’s sanity…Ok, droopy…because when you say you see “signs” of improvements in Iraq I wonder if Rush Limbaugh has tapped you into his supply.
egregious @ 9
An actual living being that has relied on me to stay well for four months. It is quite scary. I used to break all my toys…
Looks like things could proceed downhill from our current President not talking with Iran; McCain won’t learn to pronounce the name of Iran’s President.
Shall we hold our breath waiting for more TradMed pickups on this astonishing display of ignorance?
TRex @ 10
I feel the love to my friend!
Marion in Savannah @ 11
I so agree. The party, its allies, its funders, etc. need to be getting Obama’s back. They must be ready with opposition research, go on offense, hit back hard, take no prisoners, etc. That goes for the Edwards blogger controversy too.
I draw a distinction between neocons and conservatives. For example true conservatives don’t believe in foreign adventures, deficit spending and that America should be the world’s policemen. And I think more than a few Democrats (my party) are not progressive. Of course realize I’m what might be referred to as a radical left-winger. A bit SDS’ish, if you please. ;0)
TeddySanFran @ 14
Ahh McCain. I do write a blog on his inanity (www.therealmccain.com) and also will be coming out with a book on him in the fall. He is as bad as Bush. An absolute sell out.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
Very true. McCain for example, was a tradional conservative in the 80s, before he flip flopped to the middel before he flip flopped to neocon embracing deficits over balanced budgets, foreign adventures of 50s Taft-style isolationism and government intervention into our private lives a la warrantless wiretapping as opposed to small government conservatism.
Senator Webb is speaking forcefully.
Democrats: more of this please.
egregious @ 20
Yes Webb, Tester, Feingold, Sherrod Brown, Durbin and a few others. It is not being perfect ideologically. It is about embracing basic Democratic principles and not backing down in the face of bs attacks from the right, but hitting them back twice as hard (Webb’s campaign against Allen was a perfect example of this).
Cliff, this is good. You should go on television or something :)
What kind of reaction do you get from your hard-edged debate?
Cliff Schecter @ 16
You bet. And twice on Sundays. (Actually, Edwards is the guy I’m looking at…) I think the ginned up “blogger controversy” is an indication of how unnerved they are by him.
egregious @ 22
Hee. They fold and cry like little girls.
egregious @ 22
The reaction on our side is great, if that is what you mean. People are obviously starving for those who will genuinely stand up to the pathetic bullies on the Right. And the secret is, they’re really not that scary if you face them.
I am trying to get something more regular on tv, but we’ll see. It ain’t easy in the corporate media for a progressive willing to take it to them.
I will be going on The Paula Zahn show this Thursday night, however, at 8-9PM EST. So check it out if you can.
I hope I answered your question, but if you were looking for somethign else by asking about “reaction” to my tv, just shoot another question.
Marion in Savannah @ 23
No doubt. Him and Obama. That is why they are trying to rough them up early. But I have to give our folks some credit on this front. Dems have been roughing up McCain and Romney, and now that Giuliani is in, look out…
We need a Schecter media institute. A boot camp for pundits.
Cliff Schecter @ 18
And an absolutely delicious site it is. I have used your site to great effect when discussing “St. McCain” with the folks I work with. Keep it up — it’s an invaluable tool for those of us down here in the red states.
Maybe OT, or maybe not!! but I just saw this, epu’d on previous thread:
BobbyG @ 109
TRex @ 27
Interesting you say that T-Rex. I am in talks with a pr firm to do media training for progressives in DC. Will let the blogosphere know if it works out.
I will be giving a quickie boot camp at Yearly Kos too.
egregious @ 20
Oh yes!!!
Valley Girl @ 29
Good point. I was hesitant to give the Wash Post too much credit. Now I understand why. They giveth and they taketh away.
Valley Girl @ 29
Both those pieces of swill has an eleventh hour Hail Mary quality to them. You could kind of constantly see the whites of their eyes, even though they were trying to sound soooo calm and reasonable.
Marion in Savannah @ 28
Thanks so much! We are about to spruce it up, add a blogger or two and I am cross-posting a weekly roundup at Crooks & Liars. So we WILL get the truth out there to progressives who still have not seen through his games (not to mention moderates).
TRex @ 24
Yeah, it’s kind of sad actually.
Time to go and feed Mr. Marion in Savannah. Thanks for kicking back, and please keep it up, Mr. Schecter. I’ll try to catch you on Paula Zahn’s show, but she does give me a bit of a rash… Maybe if I take Benadryl before the show I’ll be okay…
To quote TRex and El Gato Negro: ROWR!!!!
Marion in Savannah @ 36
If you are willing to sit through a rash to see me on the tube, now that is devotion!
The aura of fear surrounded the defense in the courtroom, as well, when they were trying to draw attention away from their poor case by crying about All the other people who didn’t get charged! No fair! It had an air of desperation. I know a little about desperation, it’s just a strange thing to see in professionals.
I am grateful for the opportunity to have been a citizen journalist in the courtroom.
Cliff Schecter @ 30
And, if you need a special consultant, might I suggest TRex?
Someone from Cali called me a progressive, progressive the other day. It was my daughter. The Princess. This girl knows how to throw my switch. Geesh, I love her. I wonder what she wants?
Valley Girl @ 39
Done and done. T-Rex is my kind of progressive. He understands that being nice is not the most important thing, stopping the bad guys is.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
They say that money isn’t everything, but it keeps the kids in touch. But in her case I’m sure it’s just love.
egregious @ 20
Actually, ironically, Sentator Webb is, in many ways, a true conservative. He reminds me of my home-state (Vermont) Senator Aiken.
One of the hallmarks of a true conservative is the fact they don’t think it is the government’s (or the neighbors) business as to what goes on in the private life of a private citizen.
Cliff Schecter @ 30
i’m signing up now.
TRex: In case you don’t have a Late Nite subject in mind yet, or would otherwise like to get medieval on the medievally-minded on behalf of the citizens of Georgia or rational humanity in general…Evolution memo prompts call for apology.
kathryn in MA @ 44
Excellent. We look forward to giving you your novelty fangs.
Cliff Schecter @ 30
Will you be wearing one of those cool smokey the bear hats and calling everyone maggots?
Well.
Cliff, you inspired me to blogpost over at Harry Reid’s site: WHY FOX? If y’all would like to head over there, read, and comment, I’d appreciate your thoughts. I think it’s absurd for Democrats to partner with FOX, and I’d like an explanation from the Majority Leader.
Being nice may not be the most important thing, but it is also important to recognize that there is an art to being rude. Rudeness is useless if the truth is lost amidst gratuitous insults. Which is my plea not to not fight, but to fight smarter and more humanely. And smart.
Woodhall Hollow @ 43
That is true in a sense, that Webb is “traditionally conservative” on privacy issues. But on economics, he is a true economic populist.
petedownunder @ 47
Thinking about what the proper garb will be right now. Certainly, I am open to suggestions :)
Cliff Schecter @ 50
So was Republican Senator Aiken. Which is why economic populism is so important to learn how to articulate.
petedownunder @ 42
;0)
Woodhall Hollow @ 49
I agree we need to be smart about it. But we cannot back down. You will not earn people’ respect when you come off as mealy-mouthed and weak.
TeddySanFran @ 48
I’m boggling. This is like signing up for a seder hosted by the Gestapo. What the hell is somebody smoking?
Here’s my dream ticket. Gore-Webb. Other combos are of course good.
Cliff- I find it hard to resist the temptation to say “I told you so, why didn’t you listen” to certain folks (friends? ex-friends more like it). I’d like to find a more productive response. Not sure what tho. Maybe: “and what are you going to do now?”. Any better suggestions?
I’ve gotten used to representing a minority view in this country. There will NEVER be a time that a majority of congress agrees with me on most issues- or where there is a president who does. It ain’t gonna happen- and if political courage is defined as “risking your political career to take a position that will resonate with ME- the politician will be defeated in the next election.
Still they can come a LOT closer than George and the Goopers have in the last six years- and I think they will.
Dems are going to think first about getting elected and getting re-elected- cause if that doesn’t happen- forget any wonderful things they might accomplish.
There’s a saying in my business (trial lawyer) that it’s better to be respected than liked. That goes double for politics. Our folks should stop kissing and start kicking.
I’m not too confident that the Democrats will do what needs to be done. But to be fair, we can draw conclusions until the moment of truth:
Wait for the next funding bill If the Dems continue funding the war, we know that they have failed us. We’ll need to continue ousting all politicians, of every party, who continue to support ongoing carnage in Iraq…and also those who subvert the Constitution.
EvilDrPuma @ 55
I don’t know, but whatever it is, too many Dems have been smoking it for too long.
Interesting you say that T-Rex. I am in talks with a pr firm to do media training for progressives in DC. Will let the blogosphere know if it works out.
I will be giving a quickie boot camp at Yearly Kos too.
*****
i’m signing up now.
*****
Excellent. We look forward to giving you your novelty fangs.
*****
Fangs, for the memories.
Allowing Faux to host a democratic debate is ridiculous. Is it too late to change that?
Cliff, I love seeing you knock the stuffing out of rightwingers arguments. If I can make to YearlyKos (doubtful at this point) I’m signing up for your boot camp.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
I would definitely dig that ticket. I am a fan of Kathleen Sebelius too, guv of Kansas, who has split the GOP in half there. Would be great VP material.
Valley Girl @ 57
It is hard to resist. But better would be to forcefully explain what Bush has done to our budget, constitution and institutions. And get them to see the light. Now if they are the types who can’t be convinced, who have mainlined the Kool Aid, then let em have it.
Regarding privacy and economic populism: I think it is a no-brainer. I encounter many people in my private life who want both self-determination and the right to a fair shake. What the right wing does so effectively is to play various underdog groups off against each other. But I believe that if one can make the case that we should all be allowed to live as we choose in our private lives while advocating the case that the government’s role is to make sure that the little-average guy-gal has a fair shake, then we can turn this around.
For example, the dicey issue of affirmative action. If one can tie that into the idea that children/young people from economically disadvantaged situations have a right to an excellent education, and an honorable livelihood, then perhaps we might find some common ground between urban african-americans, nascar dads and soccer moms.
Cliff Schecter @ 54
If the truth is on your side, then there can be no backing down. Which is to say that the Dems have GOT to begin to speak from the gut of the average American experience.
TRex @
27
Seconded.
It’s where these wars get fought. We’re still letting Bush get away with calling it a
*ucking“war.” It’s a $267,000,000/DAY “occupation.”No democrat should be allowed to talk about Iraq without including that sentence.
Per Ambassador Joe Wilson, Democrats should be attacking using the language of the military:
“What are the troop to task ratios?” “What are the force protection requirements?”
Put the effen’ WH on the defensive.
When they don’t use this kind of language, they sound like “surrender monkeys.” That won’t play well after the next terrorist attack, which is guaranteed by Bush’s occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
OT, Reagan routinely bludgeoned the United Nations over “nation building.” Democrats are allowing Bush to make “nation building” a *ucking military objective. A “military objective” is taking a hill or securing a beach head. When it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed by 10:30, call the Marines. Soldiers don’t do police work. Iraq needs a big *ucking police force and that requires speaking the language and understanding the culture. We have a Posse Comiatatus Act, that prohibits us from using the military to do in the US what Bush is asking them to do in Iraq. Democrats should mention that, because a lot of conservative Republicans really like Posse Comiatatus.
FWIW, here’s a summary of the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force:
The questions posed by the Powell Doctrine, which should be answered affirmatively before military action, are:
1. Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2. Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3. Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4. Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
5. Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6. Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7. Is the action supported by the American people?
8. Do we have genuine broad international support?
Democrats ought to bring this up.
Cliff, a great honor to have you here at FDL.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
I’ve had my fill of Gore saying he’s not running. At this point if he is the nominee, the opponent will have to be Gingrich or worse, say Jeb, to get me to vote.
The real problem is that most “Democrats”–especially the young–have never seen a real Democrat in action. I live in Minnesota and knew Paul Wellstone pretty well. Wellstone stood up with farmers in a fight over high-voltage powerlines, actually got arrested while sitting in with bank employees, had to sue to get tenure at Carleton College, actually cast a vote in the Senate against the invasion of Iraq, and was a fantastic public speaker.
Now we have a guy who wants to replace him. He has made his living telling jokes, is a dismal public speaker, has no history of taking courageous public positions much less getting arrested. and supported the invasion of Iraq.
I knew Paul Wellstone. Paul Wellstone was a friend. And you, Mr. Franken are NO Paul Wellstone. I am old enough to remember when folks like you were called Republicans.
But try to explain THAT to anyone under about 45!
rwcole @ 58
Showing spine gets you elected. Tester called for the repeal of The Patriot Act, which made people say he was unelectable. They were wrong. Webb refused to oppose gay marriage. People said he was unelectable. They were wrong. Sherrod Brown said our free trade deals are crazy. Same story. Bernie Sanders describes himself as a Socialist.
I am a pragmatist. I am not saying there are not things that will make you lose. But much of the elite consensus is wrong, and people are often much closer to our positions than you would think. And they like to hear people with conviction speak to them.
petedownunder @ 59
Couldn’t have said it better!
Publicus @ 60
Amen
TheOtherWA @ 63
Great! Well, I hope you can make it. It will be fun. And thanks for the compliment! I appreciate it.
Woodhall Hollow @ 66
Absoutely correct.
Cliff Schecter @ 65
The sad thing tho, is that while it is easy to come up with “what Bush has done wrong” I find it is not so easy to come up with equally strong counterpoints as to “what the Dems have done right”. Any good sound bites on that issue?
Regarding reaching out to people on the right: Yes we had the correct answers years ago. It reminds me of the tombstone that says “But I had the right of way!”
We share common ground now, which is that our nation is in danger. We need to work together to set things right. Best to receive reforming wingers with open…er…wings. They are humiliated enough realizing how wrong they were, no need to pile on. Especially men for some reason, can’t handle shame.
[commercial break for a glass house, female resident]
John Casper @ 68
Thank you. I am honored to have been invited. And you are correct, we should be creaming them on the spending in Iraq instead of on our needs, in addition to the ridiculous war (in fairness some caught on to this in 2006).
techno @ 70
Franken: is there no one else? Start now to think of people who could be nominated.
Valley Girl @ 76
The first 100 hours we gave American workers the first raise in the minimum wage in what, a decade I think, we voted to implement the 9/11 Commission recs, we voted to expand stem-cell research.
Democrats are for shared prosperity, a strong and smart defense, the privacy of our citizens and pro-science. Just off the top of my head…may not be perfect.
There is a petition opposed to having FOX sponsor the Democratic Party debate in Nevada, if anyone would like to sign it.
You are absolutely correct. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. The Dems have made great progress in increasing the likelihood that we will get the hech out of there. I failed to mention that adequately. Every day we stay, we weaken ourselves while making Iran and Russia more dominant in the region.
TeddySanFran @ 81
Everyone should jump on that. If enough people can sign the petition, maybe we can stop this thing. Like Republicans, Fox must be punished for bad behavior, or there is no incentive to not continue destroying Dems.
I just went and watched the smackdown between Cliff & Cleter again. Funny stuff!
I am from VT and knew Bernie when he was just getting started, and the Aiken (republican) vote has largely been transfered to Bernie. He is an excellent example of a politician who is able to articulate a populist viewpoint, and is not afraid of a fight. The guy is an honest scrapper…like Tester and Webb, not afraid to call it like it is.
In Bernie’s case, the naysayers always pointed to his socialist history (which btw–he has NEVER tried to hide or apologize for) as a reason why he was unelectable, but he has turned out to be a phenomenally popular politician, able to bridge the gap between a constituency which is by fairly equal measures quite conservative and liberal, giving new meaning to the word “progressive.”
John Casper @ 82
Absolutely correct!
TeddySanFran at 5:12 pm
Thanks TSF, I signed it.
Cliff- thanks for your “off the top of your head” answers. Those are great talking points. I see that it is important to speak to what Democrats are “for”, not just specific accomplishments. Tho the specific accomplishments you mention are great.
And, you’ve just prompted me to remember something else, tho I don’t remember the details. Something about House members “suddenly” having to work more hours in session? I can go “google” this, but if you immediately recall the specifics, perhaps you can add.
John Casper @ 87
Me too.
Hey Bulldog! Nice to see you over here, you weenie.
IMHO:
Strong message, consistency, spine, strong message REPEATED, no lulls, no waffling or backtracking, momentum, message repeated again, and more of us all over the media, stressing all of the above the way you do it…no fear.
There. Stick that in your book proposal and smoke it. : )
Like investing in alternative energy sources. That’s one of the reasons I’m interested in Richardson for ‘08, the guy knows more about energy than most of the candidates.
Bush and Cheney are oil men and look what we got-a war, unrest all over the middle east, higher oil prices, and huge tax breaks for oil companies. The country desperately needs someone to challenge Americans to do better. Assuming Gore doesn’t run, that is. ;)
Woodhall Hollow- I am a great admirer of Sanders. First time I learned about him was reading some interview (online) where he said Bushco. were not “conservatives” but right-wing extremists.
Valley Girl @ 87
Yeah, the five day work week. Republicans only wanted to work three days. Democrats: The Party Who Values Work!
BTW You are very right, we need to brand in people’s minds what we are for.
Marion in Savannah @ 90
Same here
GottaLaff @ 90
Hey it’s my good pal gottalaff! You are 100% correct. We must stand strong for our values.
Marion in Savannah @ 90
Me three.
Me four…the petition.
Valley Girl @ 88
Ah, that would be Jack Kingston from Savannah saying that the Democrats had no “family values” because we wanted them to work for 5 days in DC. (Well, it does keep them away from all those fund-raisers back home, ya know…)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01342.html
I can’t begin to tell you how proud I am that he’s from my town. (Not my congresscritter, thank heaven…)
Valley Girl @ 93
Bernie is amazing the way that he connects with people that you would think, on an overt level, that he has very little in common with. He is well loved in Vermont, because he does never tries to pander to people by speaking to their issues on a superficial level.
Marion in Savannah @ 98
He also said that those on the minimum wage just need to work a bit harder…freakin scum.
Two things Georgia can export to the world. Salmonella contaminated peanut butter and the Best Politicians Money Can Buy.
TeddySanFran @
8
Spot On SFTeddy! Don’t know if ole Harry has just spent too much time in the desert sun or what his problem is but leading the Dems to Fox is asinine at best and damned unforgivable at worst.
Obama just moved up to third place – behind Gore and Edwards on my vote and dough. In the spirit of full disclosure I must admit my little jalopy ar sports a bumper sticker that reads Pelosi for President 2007. ;~)
GottaLaff @ 97
TRex @ 101
Zell Miller rules! I wanna party with that guy! Nothing like a man who’s had a brain-stem enema!
TRex, are you REALLY sure that ours are the BEST politicians money can buy? Do they stay bought? Do they hold up next to, oh, Louisiana or New Jersey?
TRex @ 102
TRex- does that lyric “We gotta get out of this place” ever cross your mind?
Speaking of Bernie Sanders, every Friday he’s on Thom Hartmann’s show in the first hour, and will continue to do so after Thom takes over Franken’s slot. Sanders takes calls and answers all questions.
It great to hear progressive ideas argued forcefully, and it’s great radio to boot.
(9am-noon pacific, noon-3pm eastern)
Cliff,
Good luck on nailing that pundit bootcamp with the PR firm. We need it.
In addition to teaching these folks how to kick a little Republican butt, could you also send them to fact school?
On a regular basis I hear a Republican pundit deliver the RNC spin. I know there are clear facts to refute their points. And everytime I wait, expectantly, for the Democratic pundit to deliver them in response…they just respond with our side’s version of irrelevant talking points. It makes my hair hurt.
As Stephen Colbert famously said, “facts have a well known liberal bias.” So, please, help these folks learn how to suss them out and have them on the tips of their tongues when they go on the teevee to speak for our side. I can understand that some folks just aren’t going to be comfortable or effective with an in-your-face debating style. Fine…a cool, confident command of the facts can be pretty effective too. Actually, kind of Webb-like.
This is the sort of thing that can cut across all sorts of class/race lines.
Just try to tell an hourly wage earner that they don’t work as hard (or intelligently) as someone in a 6 figure managerial level.
The meme being that the United States is the wealthiest country on the face the Earth, and this being so, why the hell are you struggling so hard just to stay afloat. And why should not your children (and mine) have the same opportunities to succeed (or not) as Jenna and not-Jenna?
Now, about the Fox hosting of the debate. Do we have say about the rules? I realize that it’s good that Barack Obama is freezing them out, but if there’s any way to ENSURE that it will be fair it might be worth getting our point of view articulated on Faux. What are the ground rules?
Celtic Music @ 107
I totally agree. It drives me nuts. I use stylistic maneuvers, mocking them, insulting them when called for, laughing at them…but none of it would work if I were not ready to also refute every bs point they make.
A combo of style and substance is necessary.
Woodhall Hollow @ 108
Absolutely. This, like privacy issues (particularly out west with libertarians), is an area where we can win Republicans over.
Marion in Savannah @ 109
If they’ve been set yet, I haven’t heard anything about it.
Amen. And a genuine understanding, and the ability to articulate the way in which govt policies impact everyday people.
Cliff,
Love your essays whenever I find them, and the YouTubes of your
debates, uh, smackdowns.How’s your PhD coming, and what’s your thesis project? Keep up the good work.
Woodhall Hollow @ 113
That is essential. We can’t speak in statistics. We need to reach people where they live.
TeddySanFran @
81
Just signed on too – 14 and counting toward their goal of 100 signatures – that number seems awfully low expectations but I’m probably missing something. Having quite a deslexic day.
Welcome Cliff! Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah!!!
This is something I’ve pondered myself for quite a while.
I’ve come to the conclusion that a Darwinian process has occurred wrt to the Democrats during their recent long sojourn in the minority.
The Darwinian process is that “timidity” has evolved as the key survival gene so to speak. This “timidity” shows itself as “not looking like a nail when there are hammers around (Delay or other Repugs)”.
This genetic “timidity” has not been supplanted yet by a more aggressive stock. Too little time has passed for evolution/revolution to occur with the 2006 elections that again brought Democratic majorities to both houses.
“Timidity” still rules the Democratic roost. The change that will occur over time is that Democratic agressiveness vis a vis the Repugs will be rewarded by the electorate, shunting the “Timids” back into their more normal recessive nature.
Here’s to another recession! Blogkeeper, another round on me!
Ed*ard Teller @ 114
Thanks for asking! I am first writing the McCain book and taking a bit of time off of academics (and trying to earn some money so my baby son can change his diapers and such). I will most likely work backwards to take the historical part of it and try and turn that into a broader movement of the GOP to the right. I have studied the rise of conservatism as my main area. No shock there I am sure.
Woodhall Hollow @ 108
It makes me furious that we don’t have universal health care here.
Why don’t we?
People are sick, dying, can’t pay for operations, going into enormous debt or just giving up.
And it’s a right under the Iraqi constitution, health care is a RIGHT! The constitution that we helped them craft!
I tell other people that and they get mad too.
Cliff- I don’t know if you’ve thought about this yet for boot camp, but many folks are “visual”. I am certainly one of them. It would be great to have some key visuals at hand- just thinking off the top of “my” head- but graphs showing increase in military spending vs. infrastructure spending, average wage vs. cost of living, etc. Anything that would immediately make the point about how Bushco. has flushed us down the toilet economically.
(edit after seeing statistics comment above: but statistics can work, if they are presented as startling visuals)
That’s an excellent description. Now we have to become the hammers.
Mad Dogs @ 117
Interesting way of putting it! And I absolutely agree! It is like those experiments with dogs getting shocked and eventually they give up trying to escape. Learned Helplessness. That is what the Reagan years, the beating Clinton took in the press even when he triangulated and the 1994 and 2000 elections led to (oh and impeachment). The cycle must be broken. And it seems to slowly be happening.
I think also the Dems’s success at setting the legislative agenda from about 1932 to 1980 made us complacent. Hell, Nixon started the EPA! It seemed our ideology would never be supplanted and we got fat and lazy.
The right took advantage. We must take advantage of their multitude of weaknesses now.
Margot @ 119
I feel the same way. Any Democrat who does not have a plan who is running for presidency, will not get my vote.
And this is an example of our timidity. Over 60% of the public in every poll wants this!
Valley Girl @ 120
I have a very visual memory too. I never forget a face, and can forget someone’s name numerous times. So great idea!
Cliff Schecter @ 112
Libertarians being a key constituency.
There are two types of Libertarians:
1) Anarchists with credit cards
2) Those who are so sick of being oppressed (by their bully bosses) that they are searching for a way to redeem their sense of their own humanity.
If Dems can effectively reach out to the 2nd group, like Bernie, then they are golden.
Cliff, @ #124, 5:50, this is why I’m keeping my eye on John Edwards…
TheOtherWA @ 121
Yes!
Woodhall Hollow @ 125
Yup!
Marion in Savannah @ 126
Me too. Edwards is currently my favorite. Although I have not yet ruled out Obama, Richardson or Dodd.
But for now, Edwards has the lead for my support, as he has attacked McCain, stood up on Iraq and come out with a good plan for universal healthcare.
Marion in Savannah @
98
Wasn’t Jack Kingston the guy who couldn’t name the Ten Commandments on Colbert Report? That family values guy?
Cliff, imho Democrats [read AMERICA] needs you on teevee, Hardball, Countdown, Press the Meat (he has Mary Matalin), Situation Room, all the rest. You also need the bug bucks to do the research, to keep up with the ever changing GOP talking points. You are a very rare teevee talent in our experience. You’re our Peyton Manning or LaDanian Tomlinson (for the Peyton haters out there), best players in the NFL.
OT, talking point imho, people don’t understand that Milton Friedman’s dream of unfettered markets has been long dead thanks to huge oligarchs, which act just like monopolies. That’s where the deep pocketed lobbyists come from in most case imho, a very small number of multi-nationals that dominate a given industry.
Prairie Sunshine @ 130
Different Georgia Congressman. What’s his name T-Rex? Can’t remember…
Just remember —
“When you think you’ve hit the bottom
And you’re feeling mighty low,
You mustn’t feel discouraged –
There’s always one step further down you can go.
When you’re lying in the gutter,
Feeling just a bit unsure,
Just think about tomorrow –
You may be lying face-first down in the sewer.
Don’t be afraid of a little raindrop,
That don’t mean nothin’, bud.
Just remember, one little raindrop
Started the Jonestown Flood
(In Pennsylvania).
When you’re sleeping on a park bench
Eating grass ’cause you’ve no dough,
Your luck will change manana –
You may be six feet under, helping it grow.
So just remember when you’re lower than low,
There’s always one step further down you can go.
Don’t be afraid of a little rumble,
What’s that, for goodness sake?
Just remember, one little rumble
Started the ‘Frisco Quake.
(In Pennsylvania?)
When you’re sleeping on a park bench
Eating grass ’cause you’ve no dough,
Your luck will change manana –
You may be six feet under, helping it grow.
So just remember when you’re lower than low,
There’s always one step further down you can go”
Margot @119: Couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve been working on a spreadsheet of where candidates stand on some key issues, after a conversation with some friends last week revealed that, as much attention as we pay, once we got beyond Iraq, none of could agree on where they were.
I’m still digging (and following my own rule of going with relatively recent statements), but so far I’m surprised by how timid some of the candidates are on the Health Care issue. Kind of like yeah, it’s a problem, but let’s cover the kids first, or monitor the states and see what works. Just no sense of urgency, as more and more people lose the safety net.
John Casper @ 131
Thank you so much. It is so tough on our side, because you have to search so far and wide to get funded. We don’t have anything like their infrastructure.
Some folks started a Televise Cliff Schecter blog and facebook group. I think they will be getting a petition together. I am also going to use my YouTube numbers to try and convince some corporate types.
Believe me I want to do it. I love debating these guys. And hopefully the book and a nice progressive organization will help me have the $$ to keep going on, because the tv shows do not pay me right now.
Or, go to my blog :)…The more people who go by cliffschecter.com, the more I can get for advertising (even if it’s very little).
BTW, thanks for sending me to the Kevin Phillips interview.
Hey Guys…The Family Guy is coming on, which means it is time to spend some time with my wife. Time flies. We’ve been here 1:45!
Thanks so much for all your questions and kind comments.
And please come by and see us at cliffschecter.com!
Cliff
Valley Girl and Cliff: I think this may be the star Georgia congresscritter who has no idea what the 10 Commandments are. (Warning: I didn’t watch this, so I may be wrong.)
http://www.gorillamask.net/colbert10c.shtml
But my guess is…
Thanks Cliff- you have been a great and very responsive guest. Come back often!
Cliff Schecter @ 130
I agree. I was an early supporter of Edwards in 2004 because of his populous message (which included the all to human ability to admit a mistake re Iraq).
That said, I am hoping that the recent debacle regarding Amanda Marcotte doesn’t castrate him politically. I use that language purposefully. He needs to fight back without dissing “feminists.” Because given the success of Donoghue, he has )ofr now) lost the ability to frame the issues raised.
That said, I still like Edwards…
Woodhall Hollow @ #141, 6:02, I voted for him in the 2004 primaries too. He’s only gotten better and stronger. I think “Bloggergate” will melt away like a spring snow…
Thanks Cliff, yeah, the left has a lot of great bloggers. I remember when I saw you on the teevee and you jumped out. Please blog all you want, but as you already know, it doesn’t pay for a lot of diapers. I suppose you’ve already sought out Democratic think tanks? Jane Hamsher calls the GOP
laundering machines for Delay, Abramoff cashnon-profits, “wingnut welfare.” Hudson Institute employs both Scooter Libby and Judge Bork. Bork is silent as we lose the Bill of Rights, but miraculously pops up when Harriet Meiers was nominated. If you could package 10K a year from fifteen or twenty foundations, you might even be able to pay the mortgage along with affording diapers.Then, if you could get a group of Democratic candidates running in 08 to send you a monthly retainer too, you might even be able to afford a vacation.
My NFL metaphor comes from the fact that there a limited number of “difference makers” in the NFL. Chicago Bears had more talent (according to Scouts) than the Colts, except for Manning. He’s that rare a talent. IMHO, you are too on teevee. It’s harder to find someone like Lanny Davis who is so good on teevee than to find a great blogger, Jane, Atrios, Greenwald…. On teevee, you have only milliseconds after listening to what the other person says before you have to come back.
I’d like to ask commenters (& Cliff, if he’s still around) this question: during the recent Edwards blogging “scandal,” I noticed in the comments threads at Kevin Drum’s, Ezra Klein’s, & Matt Yglesias’s blogs — maybe Tapped, too, I can’t remember — that a lot of people were criticizing Amanda Marcotte. I was amazed at how many people were basically saying, well, Amanda’s extreme, she’s rude, she brought it on herself. And then of course Melissa McEwen was forced out by hate mail as well, which pretty much destroyed the idea that a “good liberal” would never have gotten into trouble like Amanda did.
Now, I just want to know, how do people here feel about this? It’s disturbing me to think that when the rubber hits the road, the left blogosphere is no better at standing up for itself than are Democratic politicians.
Is there a Democratic candidate out there who would perhaps work as hard as former President Carter to bring peace between the Israelis and Palestinians?
ChristianPinko, I think the confusion/controversy was over was is “appropriate” or “offensive” commentary. Also, what anyone says on their personal blog should have ABSO-frickin’-LUTELY nothing to do with their paying job. It’s an easy thread for them to pull on, hoping to unravel the campaign. Some of the things on her blog offend the crap out of me too, but I can (and am willing to) make that distinction. It’s a thread for them to pull on, is all…
Xtian pinko, Cliff’s gone, but do you have a specific link to those threads?
Also, what Democratic politicians are not good at standing up for themselves, please be specific? Last I looked, we retook the House and the Senate, against all odds.
Is this your first comment at FDL?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 144
Dennis Kucenich is the only candidate from either party to have visited the occupied territories with an open mind.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 145
See also Nicholas Kristof in the NYT today on how he’s making thousands of lives in Africa better…
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
(Sorry, just scroll on down past Babbling Brooks.)
Yeah, I don’t recall seeing any criticism from the lefty blogs, such as you suggest. I’d really like that link so I could be better informed.
Ed*ard Teller @ 147
If Kucinich is the nominee of my party in 2008, I will most certainly support him. I like this man.
Thought you all might like to know that Jeralyn is upstairs.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 150
Kucenich might do better than in 2004. Having him and Sharpton in the early debates then was fascinating, but ended up having little influence on the campaign of the winner.
Ed*ard Teller @148 (love your asterisk) and Oklahome Kiddo @144: I mentioned upthread that I’ve been working on an issue spreadsheet to help my friends and I evaluate the Dem candidates better. One of the issues is the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. My doc is a work in progress and I’m still searching to fill in the blanks, but this one has been most frustrating. Aside from speeches to AIPAC from a couple of candidates, which read like interest group “work the room” speeches to me, there is precious little I’ve found. Unless I have a Google breakthrough, it’s looking like nobody wants to talk about this.
Exception: Dennis Kucinich, as ET says. He calls for multinational negotiations with no preconditions.
TeddySF – added my rather impolite two cents for ole Harry to take a gander at. Guess I’ve degenerated into a failed southern belle but dog gone it I simply can’t stomach much more stupidity emanating from my party leadership.
Celtic Music, your spread sheet sounds like a great idea. After the Libby trial, you might want to ask Christy and Jane if they want to take a look.
OT, wrt Israel/Palestine, I’ve read liberals over at Kos, who strongly support Israel, but want to review a return to the ‘67 borders. I don’t know of any Dems who will say it, but I just wanted to provide it as neutral information.
OT, do you have thing on publicly funding national elections?
TeddySanFran @
48
Thanks for setting that up, TSF. You Rock!
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Celtic Music @ 153
Wow! This sounds like a fantastic idea. fwiw in the recent lobby reform bill it’s my understanding that A*PAC and The Aspen Institute were left exempt from many of the new rules. We need to watch them like a stranger with candy at Halloween.
Does the Aspen Institute land one in moderation?
[Mod Note; not that we know of, but asterisks don’t always help you avoid it.]
what’s afoot of course (in a manner of speaking) is
just when are we going into the streets?
tomorrow?
next week?
next month?
americans who truly love this country care need to go into the streets!
when are we going to go?
it’s going to happen!!!
when?
who will lead?
how about you – TREX?
into the streets:
- against the mendacity of george bush and dick Chaney and their advisors
- against the unnecessary and horrendously cruel war against iraqis, conducted, very likely, for the purpose of dividing up iraqi oil reserves (see cheney energy symposium of 2001)
- against the repeated use of american soldiers as a shield to prevent criticism of or political action against the pres’s war on iraq AND criticism of his domestic agenda
but most importantly
- for the president’s, the vice=-president’s, and the administration’s repeatedly displayed contempt for our constitution and our hard won, two-hundred-year old wisdom in both governing ourselves and waging war (read: military courts and geneva conventions).
when do we congregate in the hundreds of thousands daily in the streets of washington?
not just united for peace.
not just the american friends service committee.
but republicans and democrats who have a deep affection for the institutions of government and of war that our nation has worked out over two hundred years.
John Casper @ 149
Thanks for responding, John. And yes, I guess it would be good to provide some examples of what I was talking about.
Some relevant comment threads can be found here, here, here, and here. As you can see, most of the comment threads came from the relatively mild-mannered, TPM-type part of the left blogosphere, which might not be representative of the more activism-oriented Firedoglake crowd.
To lay my cards on the table: as a Christian, I was mildly offended by what Amanda wrote. I thought that these posts were suffused with a good deal of sophomoric atheism. But I also thought that she had a valid point — the Catholic church’s advice on birth control was, at best, incompetent and lazy. And in any event, I’m too busy getting angry at Pres. Cheney’s efforts to turn my country into a wholly-owned subsidiary of Halliburton to get angry at the village atheist.
But at any rate, the linked comments threads will take you to a surprising number of observations that it was all Edwards’s fault for hiring Amanda, and/or Amanda’s fault for having a big mouth. Am I nuts, or is this just the blogosphere making the same mistake that Democratic politicians have been making for years — hoping that if we’re just a little more accommodating, a little meeker, then the Republicans won’t pick on us any more?
Celtic Music @134:
Yes, I’ve noticed that marked lack of urgency regarding health care.
I can go from peaceful to rabid in about 10 seconds if someone sends me another g-d stupid email about illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens are not at this VERY MOMENT clotting up my carotid artery, and they are not telling me post-stroke that I really need an MRI but because I have no insurance, tough.
ARrrrgh.
ChristianPinko @
161
Thanks very much for the response. I think you’re spot on wrt the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching on birth control. I was raised Catholic and consider myself a Xtian. FWIW, I have been very impressed by the number of committed agnostics and atheists at FDL and throughout the reality based community. Look forward to seeing you at FDL.
XtianPinko, I left you a brief response, but it’s caught in moderation. Look forward to seeing you at FDL.
**Mod Note: It hit moderation due to the # of links in CP’s original comment. Released now – Refresh**
It is an unfortunate fact, but Americans have for some reason learned to admire and appreciate nasty, aggressive, stupid, mean-spirited evil people.
Being right, and nice, doesn’t cut it in America anymore. Its just not Christian to be civil, tolerant and fair.
Maybe this has been a long time in the making.
I remember some years ago a Sports Illustrated article featured NCAA football linemen players of the year. In every photograph, and there were many, the star player was committing a penalty. This really struck me and I wrote SI pointing it out that although football is a violent game it is governed by rules. Did they really have to feature pictures of rules being broken to glorify these players? They ignored me.
At about that time Newt Gingrich was featured on TIME’s cover titled “the politics of anger”. The GOP took congress that year and have kept it since.
I see todays MTV and hiphop/rock music and I see that menacing mean-mouthed aggressive nasty hate-filled people, both men and women, (personas at least)are the stars of today.
I see the GOP/Christian coalition from 1992 onwards pursuing Clinton with blinding reasonless hatred and Americans re-electing them even after they impeached him out of nothing but resentment and spite.
I look at TV and I see the reality and tabloid shows, “the agony of defeat” and humiliation, misery, pain and failure of others are the most popular and valuable programs.
I’m sorry America. But you people suck. Your pop culture, corporate culture and political culture suck. Your country is sick.
And its seem the only possibility of salvation is to beat you into submission.
Which is why the democrats should just impeach Bush, and every other GOP prick they can get their hands on, NOW! That’s the game being played in America. Americans understand and appreciate that….and nothing else it seems.
ChristianPinko @
143
Way EPU’d. I thought it was a victory for RightyLand and a humiliation for Edwards. Edwards didn’t protect himself or his staff from assault by fierce pixils. Whether it was could not or would not, same to me. A man who lets his squires bleed to death (from flying pixils, no less!) in his service does not come across as a knight. So. He’s gonna take on BushCo? He’s gonna get us out of Iraq? Can’t see how if he’s afraid of a few flung pixils.
Schecter, Greenwald, clark, left blogostan, et al…don’t get it. A few democrats/progressives are starting to speak out/have spoken out – a FEW, very few.
But___look___what___it___takes___to___get___progressive’s___ire___up
___enough___to___speak___up.
republicans and US corporate media lie and smear democrats and progressives because its fun for them, Americans find it entertaining, and it disguises the unAmerican republican positions that only 35% of Americans actually know what they are and support them. That’s what the the left is up against. If the left doesn’t find a way to counter this pervasive smearing on their own terms, the regressive right will again, very soon be back in command.
Keep in mind that if bush hadn’t fucked up and invaded Iraq, his reaign would have been as disasterous in every other area as it is with the Iraq invasion – the bushliar-criminal regime and the neocons are disaster makers across the board. Without the focal lens of Iraq drumming in the daily unfolding disaster, only a very small minority would be outraged at the disasterous fascism of bush.
.
“Pit bull”? Sounds awfully mild to me. “Carpe diem, Democrats”??
We are so far, far beyond any of this.
Uh, good morning, BTW.
[Mod Note; good morning to you as well. Let’s remember, one FDL monicker only please.]