
One thing that most journalists covering the Plame story (with the odd couple exceptions of Murray Waas, which we'd expect, and Tim Russert, which we wouldn't) still haven't examined adequately is the completely nonsensical story that Libby tells about the NIE. I'm going to excerpt the section of the book that deals with that story and then annotate it with my comments or evidence introduced during the trial. Normal text is the book, italicized text is my current commentary, and indented text is direct quotation from evidence.
As I show below, Libby has testified that he asked Addington about declassifying the NIE. I argue that his claim that he asked about the NIE (as opposed to, say, Plame's identity) makes no sense. And most importantly, I will show that at the same meeting he was asking about declassifying something, he was also asking about Joe Wilson's 1999 trip to Niger on behalf of the CIA. At the very least, this is proof that on July 8, at the same time as he was asking Addington about declassifying something so he could leak it to Judy, Libby knew well that Wilson had a wife–or rather, that Plame had a husband. This is an amazing smoking gun for Fitzgerald's perjury case against Libby. And it strongly supports my argument that it was Plame's identity (or at least the trip report) that Libby and Cheney insta-declassified, not the NIE.
So here's the newly annotated excerpt:
One other thing dribbled out of Fitzgerald's court filings: a suggestion that Dick Cheney–and President Bush–may have been much more involved in the leak of Valerie Wilson's identity than has been known until now.
The issue revolves around the meeting that Libby had with Miller of the Times on July 8, 2003. As Fitzgerald revealed, Libby had instructions in his notes that when he met with Miller that day, he should leak something to her. Libby told the FBI the note referred to portions of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq that refuted Joe Wilson, not to Valerie Wilson's identity. As Fitzgerald told the court: "Mr. Libby had an instruction to tell information to Ms. Miller on July 8 and he's saying the instruction reflected in his notes to tell . . . Judith Miller refers to the NIE. He says he did not discuss Mr. Wilson's wife that day. To our understand[ing] both were discussed."
Here is the note, which appears amidst the notes from Libby's daily meeting with Cheney. The notes are dated July 8 by Jenny Mayfield, Libby's assistant. By looking at Libby's schedule for that day, it appears clear that Cheney gave Libby this instruction at their 7:35 meeting on July 8, just an hour before the 3 hours that Libby had blocked off during which he met with Judy at the St. Regis.

And here is how Libby explained that note to Fitzgerald in the GJ. Click here to hear the MP3 , thanks to Swopa.
Q. Let me show you what we'll refer to in the record as document Bates Stamped 1746, which I believe are some of your handwritten notes. Would you take a look at that page? And as you'll see, there's an entry — I'll point to it, three-quarters of the way down the page that appears to be your symbol for the Vice President, a Y with the line over it and can you tell us what the rest of that entry says?
A. It's his instruction to me to telephone Judith Miller –
Q. Okay.
A. — is how I read it.
Q. Is it the Vice President colon — and is the next reference S.L. –
A. Yes.
G. – - meaning "Scooter Libby?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And then there's a symbol which I'll skip past in a moment, and it says "Miller"?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And is the symbol a "T" with an arrow under, under it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And is that your instruction to "telephone"?
A. Yes.
Q. And what do you recall that means? It's dated in the upper left corner, as I understand, "July 8th, '02," but I think, it's our understanding is that the '02 might be a typo, and it's July 8th, '03.
A. Yes. I don't think that's my handwriting actually. I think that may be Jenny's.
Q. Okay.
A. Jenny Mayfield. I'm sorry, but I lost the question when I was thinking about the handwriting.
Q. Okay. And what did that reference mean?,
A. It was the Vice President telling me to go ahead and talk to Judith Miller,
Libby's lawyer, Ted Wells, downplays the significance of this note, arguing that this NIE leaking was part of a larger campaign designed to prove three things: that Joe Wilson had not seen and debunked the forgeries alleging a Niger uranium deal, that Wilson had not been sent to Niger by Cheney, and that the NIE supported the claims about Iraq's attempts to acquire uranium. Wells is correct that leaking the NIE was part of a larger campaign. Bob Woodward has said that Libby leaked him the NIE on June 27. Libby also leaked portions of it to the Times's David Sanger on July 2. And Miller admits that Libby shared details of the NIE. Finally, we have the Wall Street Journal article that we now know arose because Libby instructed someone to leak the NIE to the Journal. So it's clear that, as Libby has testified, he leaked portions of the NIE to at least four journalists, in June and July.
By comparing Libby's Grand Jury testimony and reporting on Woodward's testimony, we can show that–at least with regards to the leak of the NIE–Judy did get a leak that was part of a larger campaign. She got the same thing that other journalists got. Click here to hear the MP3, thanks to Swopa.
Q. After you got the final go-ahead, you then told Judith Miller that the NIE said that Iraq was, quote, vigorously, close quote, trying to procure uranium?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you also, I take it, included that reference to the NIE's language about, quote, vigorously, close quote, trying to procure uranium in the redacted document you provided Judith Miller?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And to your understanding is that the first time you disclosed to a member of the press that the NIE contained a reference that Iraq was, quote, vigorously, close quote, trying to procure uranium?
A. Yes, sir. I think so.
The WaPo reported that Woodward got the same "vigorous" treatment from Libby.
In sworn testimony for Fitzgerald, according to a statement Woodward released on Nov. 14, 2005, Woodward said Libby told him of the intelligence estimate's description of Iraqi efforts to obtain "yellowcake," a processed form of natural uranium ore, in Africa. In an interview Friday, Woodward said his notes showed that Libby described those efforts as "vigorous."
Clearly, the NIE leak was not the important or unique part of Libby's meeting with Judy.
Note, Libby's lawyers successfully fought to keep a discussion of this earlier NIE leaking out of the grand jury transcripts admitted as evidence–right after the section quoted above, for example, there's a long section of the grand jury transcript where a discussion of what Libby leaked to David Sanger was redacted for the trial. And Fitzgerald asked neither Sanger nor Woodward any questions about the NIE in the trial, presumably because Judge Walton ruled he could not. It seems that Wells is not so confident in Libby's NIE story, after all, huh? In fact, Jeffress even tried to get the bit of it that related to Judy Judy Judy redacted after both sides had rested! You see, I'm not the only one obsessing about this story!
But the explanation doesn't hold up–not when we learn how unusual Libby's meeting with Miller was on July 8. Libby treated it quite differently than he did the others. For example, Libby met Miller in person to leak this information, rather than having another person pass on the information as he did with The Wall Street Journal. To leak the NIE, Libby met Woodward in his office. But when it came to Miller, he met her at the ritzy St. Regis Hotel, two blocks north of the White House. Libby testified that "one of the reasons why he met with Miller at a hotel was the fact that he was sharing this information with Miller exclusively." And at this meeting, Libby took the unusual step of asking Miller to refer to him as a "former Hill staffer" rather than as a "senior administration official."
But the real difference in Libby's treatment of Miller lies in the approval he obtained for it. In his testimony, Libby admitted that he didn't know whether he was authorized to leak the NIE materials when he leaked them to Sanger (and possibly Woodward); said he may have received authorization, relied on public statements made by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, or just "slipped."
But leaking to Miller somehow required approval from a higher authority. When Cheney directed him to leak material to Miller, Libby objected that he couldn't share it with Miller because it was classified. Cheney assured Libby he would get authorization from the president, which he then did, telling Libby that Bush had personally authorized the leak. For Libby, that still wasn't enough. Sometime after July 6, Libby asked David Addington, then counsel to the vice president, whether the president could unilaterally declassify information. Addington assured him the president had that authority.
Here's what Addington had to say about that discussion during his trial testimony:
[Addington] Yes. Took place in COS office to VP, West Wing, larger office in OEB. Very small office, probably about the size of your table. Question asked, did Pres have authority to declassify information. The answer was yes. It's clear a President has authority, I cited a specific case. In that case, court said Dept of Navy v. Egan. Pres by virtue of role as Commander in Chief. Flows directly from Constitution and therefore I said Pres does have the authority even though there is a separate provision, although there are procedures, that would not prevent Pres from declassifying something. It's open and shut. Libby didn't give context. he just asked question about Pres' power.
[Fitzgerald] DId Libby give you an idea of what he was going to do with info
[Addington] No.
Note that, according to Addington, at the same meeting Libby asked about paperwork related to a CIA spouse's overseas travel. And, incredibly, Addington described Libby shushing him duing that discussion.
[Fitzgerald] Conversation about CIA paperwork
[Addington] Asked if someone worked at CIA, would there be records. Normal for him to ask me bc he knew I worked at the CIA. Kind of paperwork would depend on whether you were on the Operations or Analytical side. On operational side, CIA officers are not just free to use whoever they want, need to get approval, requesting permission to use someone, would generate paperwork approval. On analytical side there'd be a letter of instruction or contract. In any case, this is the govt, when you spend money, there's a money trail. I did tell him also it had been 20 years since I worked at the CIA.
[Fitzgerald] During this conversation did Libby ask why he was asking?
[Fitzgerald] Did he give you a name?
[Addington] No
[Fitzgerald] Where did it take place.
[Addington] In that small office.
[Fitzgerald] Were they the same conversation?
[Addington] I believe so
[Fitzgerald] Is there a door to this room?
[Addington, is babbling away] It's a very small office and you couldn't have more than two people.
[Addington] At one point he extended his hands and put them down [as if to quiet him.]
Libby may not have mentioned to Addington the name of the person–the spouse–he was asking about. But Libby's own notes make it crystal clear who he was inquiring about–Joe Wilson, and Wilson's 1999 trip to Niger to look into whether AQ Khan had gotten uranium. The notes also make it clear that the declassification discussion happened at the same time as the discussion of Wilson's trip.

Later in his notes, Libby records the results of his meeting with Addington, writing the name of the case Addington cited to insta-declassify (Navy v. Egan), referencing Wilson's 1999 trip again, then noting he should declassify something.
- Department of Navy v. Egan 1980s Supreme Court Addington
- A Q Khan
- Declassify
Libby's own notes prove that he knew Plame had a husband when he was asking Addington to justify insta-declassification, because he also asked Addington about Wilson's 1999 trip to Niger in the context of a CIA employee's spouse making a trip for the Agency!
There's a point that Fitzgerald has been building at the trial–that this event was way too important for Libby to have forgotten. As John "The Year of Iran" Hannah has testified, after all, Libby would only make time in the busy early part of his day for a matter of utmost importance–and he set aside two hours to have coffee with Judy. This insta-declassification will be another prong of that argument–that this event was utterly unique in his career, which makes it doubtful that Libby would just forget it.
Libby testified that this July 8 conversation with Miller was "the only time he recalled in his government experience when he disclosed a document to a reporter that was effectively declassified by virtue of the President's authorization that it be disclosed." Libby had worked in and out of government for almost twenty-five years, so this was clearly a unique event.
The notion that leaking the NIE to Miller was this unique even is a tough sell, because Miller already had been leaked two of the other key claims in the NIE relating to Saddam's intent to acquire nuclear weapons. For example, a text box in the NIE reported the claims of a defector, Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, which was information Miller had learned back in December 2001, when she interviewed Haideri personally. Miller had also been leaked the discussion about the aluminum tubes, information Miller (with her colleague Michael Gordon), had been leaked back in September 2002. Miller fairly routinely received classified leaks regarding WMDs.
All of which begs the question: Is it possible that Cheney didn't direct Libby to share the NIE with Judith Miller on July 8, but directed him to leak something else to her–a much more unusual kind of leak?
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Wow Marcy!!
“The DaLibby Code”
emptywheel!
Great post, Marcy — one of the many, many reasons that this book needs to be read. And read widely.
CHS – Thank you for heading back to Washington (and thank you to the Peanut, as well).
Marcy, I’m in awe of your ability to take a very complex issue and walk us through it to clarity. I was happily surprised to find that your book often reads like a good whodunit.
OhioTex @ 6
Thanks. Safir gets credit for that–the luxury of having an editor!!
I have the book now and am eagerly looking forward to begin reading it tonight. But I have to ask you, will the next soon to be released 2nd edition be a revised edition? :-)
Question I have: do we know whether Bush de-classified Valerie Plame’s status?
And I am extremely happy to learn that CHS will be in DC for the wrap up to the trial!
OfT, but this also (to me) appears to reveal how micromanaged this was. Cheney and Bush apparently both picked Judy Miller to leak Plame’s identity. On July 8, they still didn’t want to use Novak. Alas, Judy, may have been their second choice. IIRC, DeadEye via Armitage? had already leaked it to Woodward and was pissed, because it never appeared in the WaPo?
Thanks emptywheel, great post.
Well–the investigation and analysis are yours. Credit where credit is due.
Now, in light of this post, do you think this new understanding will affect anything beyond this trial?
Woodhall Hollow @ 8
It seems clear that WH is at least all on the same page that Bush did not specifically declassify Plame’s status–or the report on Wilson’s trip, if that’s what htey declassified. He basically told Cheney to do what he needed to do.
Marcy, goddess of all things scooterPlameWilson, and beyond! One suggestion about your handle, I think you should change it to Bigwheel, because your wheel is in no way empty, and it fitz.
Aha!
Which makes the speculation re what possible courses of action Fitz (and I am sure that he is thinking along several tracks here) may have up his sleeve all the more interesting!
Woodhall Hollow @ 13
One point Fitz hammered Libby on in GJ is that he never actually saw or learned that Cheney contacted Bush to declassify this.
We eagerly await the sequel. Get enough material the last couple of weeks?
egregious @ 15
Seconded.
No wonder Comstock, Toensing and the Washington Post are so hellbent to muddy the waters, change the subject and smear both Fitzgerald and Wilson.
emptywheel @ 14
Which brings us right back to Cheney as the center of this perfect storm….
Woodhall Hollow @ 18
Yup, I’m working on that post as we speak.
Pachacutec @ 17
Because they are VERY afraid….as well they should be.
My favorite leap of logic in the Toensing peice was the idea that Fitz is after Scooter personally because he represented Marc Rich in the Clinton pardon effort. Juxtapose that along with the fact that Vicky was right out there front and center on Faux Newz in the all-Monica-all-the-time dayz, in which Clinton was impeached for committing perjury.
If it is appropriate, I would love to request someone at FDL to do a post on the Libby-Rich-Clinton-Toensing (and maybe some Yoo for good measure) connection.
Edit: I forgot to include Fitz.
emptywheel @ 19
You go, Girl!
Will my fantasy of Judge Reggie Walton imprisoning Victoria Toensing on Tuesday for contempt for her petit and grand jury tampering be realized? If not, I’d sure like some Walton thunder at Hiatt, Downie, and Toensing.
Let Victoria become the next martyr to the “truth” — she can have Judy’s cell and visitors.
TeddySanFran @ 22
Grand jury tampering? I saw it as an effort to tamper with a Federal criminal jury on the eve of their deliberations. And to muddy the closing arguments.
Hi Marcy– First of all, thanks so much for yeoman’s work on the live blogging..I’m addicted and have no desire to enter rehab.
Second, although I bought the book while it was still on pre-order, current health issues have kept me from reading it..
So forgive me if I’ve got this all screwed up but, can you speak to a pet theory of mine about the possibility that a never-really-declassifed-at-all Plame leak occured via Cheney (either directly or indirectly thru surrogates like Libby or Armitage), and that every leak thereafter to members of the media was part of an orchestrated effort to hide what Cheney (or even Bush) had done…To me, the Air Force Two trip seems the likely time and place to hatch the cover up…
Does that fit your timeline?
Fitzgerald still has a grand jury, and the current Federal trial is being heard by a petit jury, so yes, tampering with both.
If Libby is convicted, what, if any are the possible implications for the Bush administration?
TeddySanFran @ 25
Oh, right! I forgot about the current GJ and missed the petit part.
What I want to know is, as the chief executive, Bush can claim he can instantly declassify, but where would Cheney’s authority come from? He is not the Chief executive. Where would instant declassification begin and end on the staffing chart? Does Bush’s authority on this include delgating it? I mean if he said, you can do whatever you need to do, it wouldn’t overide the statutory limits on such things if he told, for instance, me to do it.
Marcy,
I’m up to p. 92 of your book. I’d have it done by now, but, A) I’m finding myself having to re-read a lot of material so that I know I’ve got it straight, and, B) been busy as heck lately with work.
It is so interesting to see you annotate the book as you learn more. Go, Vaster! What is next, you guys?
Trying to explain the importance of this trial last night at an after-concert reception, I thought “Maybe there should be a contest at fdl for the best 500-word essay which explains this mess so anybody can understand how important it is to America.”
PeppermintPatty – Good to see you here. Sending hugs and strength.
Thanks, ohioblue, for the support and good wishes…One month after my initial surgery, an MRI found more cancer, so I’m off for another date with the surgeon…In any event, I’m hanging in there..and the Libby trial and FDL are helping to keep my mind happily occupied.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
Well, an obvious part would be the lying part. In other words, one of his top, most important officials who dealt with more responsibility that Bush himself is exposed as a liar and a crook.
Then there is the horns of the pardoning dilemma. As I see it, it will be a game of chicken as regards time. If he is pardoned, obviously, he will appeal to buy time in order to string this out for as long as possible until [hopefully] Bush will pardon him on the autumn of 2008. But I think that is a big gamble…hopefully Walton has done a good job of inoculating this trial from appeal (see EPU’s comments on this matter). If Libby is rejected on appeal in a timely fashion (I would love to hear some lawyers weigh in on this point) and is facing real jail, one wonders if he will have even a fraction of the stomach of Judy Miller. Will he be tempted to cut a deal in exchange for either a more lenient sentence or a more comfy prison (I am thinking of the way Robert Hanson was treated when he reneged…)
I also wonder what kind of role congress can play…if Libby is convicted, and is denied an appeal, what role can Congress play in terms of forcing him to speak out?
PeppermintPatti @ 24
I think it highly likely that Armitage was set up.
And I think Cheney knew about that–and gave sort-of approval for the June 23 leak.
But I think the July 12 leaks come bc they could hide behind Novak’s article.
Marcy -
If we were to look closely at Executive Order 13292, I think that we would find that there is nothing in it that is intended to contravene the provisions of the National Security Act of 1947 (which includes the Intelligence Identities Protection Act). As for the Supreme Court decision (Department of Navy v. Egan) cited by David Addington, I saw nothing in it that permitted declassification, instant or otherwise, of classified information. To express my thoughts another way, I see nothing in the sources I mentioned permitting anyone to instantly declassify an intelligence agent’s covert status, nor do I see anything contained therein that permits declassification of classified information without the express approval of the agency that originally classified that information.
A momentary digression: if you have had a chance to read Michael Isikoff’s Newsweek piece published online today about Novak, Rove, and Hohlt, how do you now think that Rove fits into the scheme of things with respect to his role in disseminating information about Valerie Wilson?
I am hoping that Mr. Fitzgerald pursues the flaws in consistency in Mr. Libby’s testimony to the highest levels. Soon.
{{{{{{{PeppermintPatti}}}}}}}
Sending love and many, many more hugs and strength.
Stephen
I think you’re probably right. Even Libby said that Addington’s advise made sense “within reason,” which is a far cry from a glowing endorsement.
But I also think it’s the kind of thing that’d take Fitzgerald to argue before SCOTUS.
I did read Isikoff’s piece. One caution I’d make is that Isikoff has had few unmotivated articles on this story, so I’m wary of the purpose of it. But I think it goes to support what Hubris otherwise says–that Libby and Rove deliberately leaked Plame’s identity, and a lot of people knew it.
Guilty as charged.
Agree about the Armitage setup; it was a two-fer in that it would snag Powell as well if ever disclosed.
I saw Armitage interviewed by Charlie Rose just after the Woodward revelation. He was very affable (charming even) throughout, while being extremely critical of the Bush-Iraq War debacle. He was clearly saying that Powell was set up.
At the end, Rose asked him about Woodward and the Plame affair. And he clammed right up, and man oh man did he look pissed. There was real fire in his eyes.
Marcy, if you didn’t see that interview, it would be well worth your time to get ahold of a copy of the video and watch it.
Hey, everybody, sorry I’m late. Is there any fondue left?
emptywheel @
19
So Marcy, you think Cheney declassified this info without Bush’s knowledge? Why then would Bush go on to say anyone involved in the outing of a CIA operative be fired and then not do so?
Why, too, would Bush give Cheney the authorization to declassify?
emptywheel at 33 – How do you think Armitage was set up and by whom? I think Fitz agrees with you, especially since he gave Armitage the “innocent accused” title.
Ms. Wheeler:
You are indeed on a roll this weekend.
J. Thomason
PS. I love the alacrity of your close textual analysis, a critical skill indeed, especially the ability to infer the truth in the face of conscious attempts at misdirection. But I suppose that is the “nut” of critical textual analysis, and the hope of finding meaning in language. It intrigues me that there is so much in this milleiu, the milleiu of government/media relations, that passes for communication that is less than the whole truth or designed to deflect the truth with half-truths, intentional avoidance, and self-interest and what is more intriguing is the tacit agreement by some as to the rules of this grand shell game. Perhaps I am naive but I expect a commitment to the whole truth in my critical communications and they are most frustrating when I encounter a statement that masks a falsehood with a truth. The irony of this is that in real time often such matters are of such significance that the time required to parse it down down to its true meaning is unavailable because of the levels of plausible deniability enfolded in the represenation which by there very nature are designed to consume time. Though there is more tedium ahead I do beleive that this matter, thanks to your focus especially, will be lain bare. I look forward to the inferences that will begin to box Mr. Cheney in.
Woodhall Hollow @ 40
Seen, I agree he clammed up. But that was back when Fitz was trying to keep Armitage unnamed as an innocent accused.
I have to say, Marcy, that I’ve been in considerable awe of you through this whole trial. I really think your live blogging became the prime source of information on testimony and thereby established the narrative before the big spinners could get their hands on it.
Everything went great in the first couple days of the trial for the Defense, but then as people started getting their details from your very fast and capable hands, the truth about the situation in the courtroom started to match what we were hearing in the big media outlets. And that was when the Defense realized that bringing the Scooter and Shooter Show live to the Prettyman courthouse would be a terrible, terrible mistake.
And they just folded rather than take the risk.
So, hell, yeah, Marcy! You’ll go down in hiii-stooooo-ryyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Terry Olson – I think Bush hung his hat on saying anyone who leaked “classified” info would no longer be a part of his administration, knowing full well that the info had been secretly declassified.
Also, Bush tried to telegraph to the press his hope that they would never testify, in his statement that the mystery would probably never be solved.
Marcy @ 3:03 pm -
Who leaked first? Apart from WHIG meetings, when would Scooter and Rove been communicating with one another? A btcnews.com Plame-at-a-Glance (TM) timeline suggests that Scooter might have communicated something to Rove on July 7, which is the same day that Scooter had a conversation with Ari Fleischer.
emptywheel @ 33
I find it highly unlikely Armitage was set up. He certainly knows what snakes the Cheney/Bush people are and always has known it. While at State, Armitage was the insulator between the relatively clean Powell and all the crazy underworld stuff you have to know about to survive when you work with the Bushistas. I’m sure there are multiple reasons Powell and Armitage have been good friends for a long time, and Armitage does come across as affable and straightforward whenever he’s put before the media, but…
I suspect he was forced into his role in this affair or offered a cancelled chit on an old blackmail file held against him by the Bushistas.
How Armi was set up.
Perhaps in a similar way to the way Ari was. Armi had access to the info by himself. But Libby may have made sure he knew on June 6, and Libby may have told Woodward (and Novak) to ask why Wilson was sent, knowing the gossip Armi would blab.
Similar with Ari–he was told Plame was covert, effectively, but not told he shouldn’t spread that. Why tell the press secty that?
They basically found two people, made sure the knew the answer to the question, then sent people to go ask them the question.
emptywheel,
I am a bit confused on the dates as I reread this. Are you sure in the second paragraph you mean to say this.(I bolded what I believed to be incorrect)
As I show below, Libby has testified that he asked Addington about declassifying the NIE. I argue that his claim that he asked about the NIE (as opposed to, say, Plame’s identity) makes no sense. And most importantly, I will show that at the same meeting he was asking about declassifying something, he was also asking about Joe Wilson’s 1999 trip to Niger on behalf of the CIA.…snip….
I think you may mean his February 2002 trip to Niger on behalf of the CIA .
(Which resulted from a tasking inquiry out of the office of the VP. Perhaps the claims and allegations he was investigating supposedly were from 1999?) Or am I just reading impaired here and messing up what you are saying?
Anyway, just askin…as I am in awe of your knowledge base on this issue. Thanks
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 48
Wilson definitely came up at the July 7 senior staff meeting, as well as the July 8 one. So Libby may have said precisely what he said to Ari at one of them.
Ed*ard Teller @
49
I’ll go with (I think) a simpler hypothesis: Armitage had a relatively inconsequential interview with Novak, sandwiched between more important conversations with Rove, Libby, and persons as yet unknown (including Judith Miller?).
When it came time to cook up cover stories after the DOJ investigation began, Novak mentioned the Armitage interview and they decided to make him the fall guy.
That has a certain symmetry with Cheney pointing to Judy Miller’s work in the New York Times on WMD’s on “Meet the Press”.
my too sense @ 51
Nope–that’s a mistake Libby made, but I trust you’ve had less time to think about this than he.
Wilson was going to Niger in 1999 on business and, apparently, to coach the Nigeriens to move towards democracy. Before he went on that (or one of those) trip, CIA got reporters AQ Khan was trying to get uranium from Niger. THATs when Plame DID recommend Joe, saying, he’s already going, maybe he can check into it. THAT’s teh source of the red herring that she “recommended him”–this earlier trip.
At one point, it actually looked like WH was going to say Wilson was the Iraqi-Nigerien go-between, which may have been why they wanted the info on his 1999 trip.
But there are two 1999 events, Wilson’s own trip to Niger, and teh Baghdad Bob/Prime Minister Mayaki meeting in Algiers.
Yeah, not only did they find two people, but provided those people with enough detail so as to trip up those who were being set up. In Ari’s case, I doubt there was any moral dilemma as he would’ve been happy to play along.
Armitage is more complicated, as he does not strike me as the kind of guy would take lightly the idea of being party of outing a covert agent for political purposes. [I think he is a straight arrow conservative; by which I mean that I would not agree with him in many respects but I think his internal logic is consistent, IE, he is capable of grappling with moral dilemmas.] So there is a bit of mystery there…
knowing the gossip Armi would blab.
Woodward and Armitage have known each other since they both worked for ONI in the same billet around 1969. They were both role players when they met and discussed Plame. They’re both multi-level disinformation specialists.
Marcy – About to run out of my second order of your smashing book that my close friends & colleagues received as Valentines earlier in the month.
Here is my dumb question: does it matter to you and/or Vester if we re-order through amazon or our local Borders?
And are you planning any book tour here in CA? We would love to host a reception for you and of course arrange a book signing and lodgings here on the Monterey peninsula.
When I say we I am referring to the Friends of the Stowitts Museum who present literary salons for selected authors, usually on weekends but we’re flexible & considerate of our guest author’s schedules.
ohioblue @ 47
Thanks, Ohioblue. We always need to watch for tricky words. IANAL!
newspaperbrat @ 57
I think at this point local Borders is more important. We need to have some throughput in brick and mortar stores to gather some attention.
We’re very preliminarily talking about a CA
Swopa @ 53
Whoa! Are you saying that he unconsciously gossiped to Woodward but that it was a case of his word vs Novak? Meaning he might not’ve leaked to Novak, but that Novak could plausibly get away with saying that because he did gossip with Woodward?
My very Republican cousin, who I love dearly, and I were riding in the p-up earlier out to his ranch. And we were talking politics (I’m known in these parts as a radical left winger). I said “Billy, if the choice in 2008 of my party is Hillary for prez, I just might, for the first time ever vote for a Republican.” My cuzzin Billy’s eyes lit up and he said “I can’t believe it.” He asked what Repub I was interested in voting for, and he thought I meant Rudy, Mutt Romney or Johnny Mc. I said no; Hegal. My cousin said “oh brother”. I said no; ‘oh cousin’. We got to the ranch and he asked if I was going to help him with the beef? I said no, I don’t do cows. I couldn’t help myself.
I don’t see anything in this report of Addington’s testimony that he said anything about Libby asking about a spouse and CIA? Is it just missing from the liveblog?
Swopa @ 53
Woodhall Hollow @ 60
I’m not saying he didn’t mention Wilson’s wife, but I think that if anything he said less than he did to Woodward — definitely not more. (The one caveat would be if the INR memo mentions the Counterproliferation Division, but my hunch is it doesn’t.)
Between Armitage, Rove, and Libby, I’ll bet Armitage had the least input with Novak regarding Plame..
Obviously that should be “Hagel”. I’m terrible.
Swopa @ 63
No wonder he looked so pissed. As I remember that interview (with Charlie Rose), he was on the war path re the way they tricked Powell into using cooked intel in his UN presentation, so I could never figure out what the motive was for him to get involved in debunking Wilson.
PeppermintPatti @ 31
(((((PeppermintPatti)))))
We’re rooting for you!
Just a quick note to say your book was wonderful, if infuriating.
thanks, egregious–I can feel it…
The same exact stuff is going on with the ramp up to Iran that went on before Iraq. Who will the scapegoat be this time?
Slothrop @ 38
Don’t we have to let the jury decide that? Soon, oh very soon.
Marcy -
On one of your TNH threads (Evolving Defense Claims), cboldt posted the following comment this morning:
Here’s the link cboldt provided:
http://noeasyanswer.blogspot.c…..posed.html
What are your impressions of what is in these proposed jury instructions?
I don’t think Addington’s testimony is as damning as Marcy makes it out to be. I think it’s much, much worse.
Scooter is asking Addington how to find out if someone works at the CIA and sent someone on a trip. That’s the damning part. The much, much worse part is Addington’s answer, which is that it depends on what that person’s role is at the CIA. In other words, the paper trail will be different if she’s an analyst versus, say, a covert agent. Oops.
EW at 50 – But did Woodward know what question to ask Armitage? He didn’t even seem to realize what Armitage was telling him.
On second thought, I guess the question could have just been, “What do you know about this Wilson and his trip to Niger?” Woodward just didn’t get that the response was significant. Woodward knew enough about Niger that even if your wife got you a trip there, it was still no prize.
Emptywheel,
first of all, you and your work are freakin’ amazing!
second of all, is there any likelihood the book will be released in a large-print version? (Long shot, I know, but my grandmother might really be interested.)
Thanks!!!
Anne
TeddySanFran @ 25
Maybe someone will write a post about a ‘Plea to Judge Walton’ to bring her in for jury tampering. Hey Jane, maybe we can hire some flying monkeys to spread the word. Such a shame that we didn’t see a head on the platter yet, I’ll settle for hers.
Interesting:
This morning MSNBC titled an article: “The United States and Israel agree to shun Palestinians”
Now the title for the same precise piece reads:
“U.S., Israel agree to only work with peaceful Palestinian government”
The article is exactly the same, only the title has been changed.
semi OT: if the jury comes back with a verdict of guilty – does anyone believe the MSM will tell the “story” correctly? this whole leak thing is better understood by readers of this blog and emptywheel better than 99% of the public – including the media!
flounder @
28
I can’t find it, but my recollection (maybe from Glenn Greenwald’s blog?) was that although the president has the power to declassify info, it’s not like a secret magic wand and presto! it’s done. They have to track what has been declassified, submit paperwork, fun fun fun don’t you want to work in intel? (esp w/the insane clown posse in charge?)
(Sorry I hadn’t realized until now how apt that band name is!)
ohioblue @ 73
My impression of Woodward is that he is addicted to info. The problem is that he has very little ability to sort it all out. I am also going to speculate that by the time that Armitage spoke to him, he was so angry about what he was seeing in the Bush admin that he was telling Woodward anything and everything that he could think of, thinking that if Woodward was a *real* investigative reporter he would use his info as good leads and follow up. So he talked, and talked and talked. People do that when they are angry enough.
floridasand @ 78
They’ve gone out of their way to get the whole story wrong so far. Why should they change now? The only network that’s putting the whole story in its proper context is Comedy Central, which speaks volumes about the MSM.
TRex @ 46
Ahhh . . . you don’t suppose this multiple-day live-blogging hiatus has anything to do with the Byron & Vickie show going on in the WaPo now, do you?
Lyrebird @79
i like the “insane clowns with wands” visual
flounder @ 28
Presumably it would derive from assertions that the Executive Order March, 25 2003 granting the VP the power to CLASSIFY material in his “executive function” [Sec. 1.3 c.2-4] (which I read to mean within his office).
From this they somehow construe that he can DECLASSIFY materials in other Agencies and Departments. But that isn’t what it says…and certainly doesn’t give him the ability to insta-declassify. In fact, I don’t think the President can do this.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html
There is a stipulation in that Executive order allowing agency heads to authorize someone else to Declassify materials [Declassification authority Part 6:l.4]
But in all cases of declassification where there another Agency that has a role in being affected by that declassification there is a process of notification and an appeal system specified Part 5.3).
Bush, as the Senior Officer to Tenet, can declassify materials according to process. But it doesn’t seem that he is exempt from the process – after the appeals Committee has decided, Tenet can veto, and then someone who wants material declassified can then appeal to the President. But you can’t simply cut through the Procedures…and nothing in the Executive Order would give CHENEY the power to act in lieu of the President as the final arbiter. Even if he was authorized to declassify materials in writing, other authorized officials who were the Original Classification Authorities could appeal, then Tenet could veto the Intra-Ageny Security Classification Appeals Panel decision, whereupon the PRESIDENT could then overrule THAT decision. Cheney does not have the authority to take the Presidents role in being the ultimate arbiter, any more than a WH clerk could if Bush gave HIM the declassification authority.
Then the record of that declassification, including the date, is preserved in the National Archives (Part 3.7).
In addition, the Executive Order also states, quite clearly at the bottom Part 6.1.4), tht nothing in that Order can be used to violate existing Statutes and Laws in regards to National Security and Privacy.
oregondave @ 81
Perhaps these articles were locked-and-loaded, then released when NYT’s Scott Shane showed Swopa’s hand?
emptywheel @ 59
woo hoo! Already have a car & driver volunteer who would happily & safely transport you to and/or from SFO, Oakland or San Jose airport. When Markos & Jerome were here last year they headed from our event across the bay to a Santa Cruz book appearance & signing. We could help arrange your “booking” there with our trusty driver service. Think it is a good bet fellow firepups in SF and the east bay would flock to any appearances you would be up for in that greater populated region as well. We’ll just stay tuned and promote your book at every opportunity as a must read!
Feb. 26, 2007 issue – Robert Novak, as usual, had a scoop to unload—only this time, it was from the witness stand. Testifying last week in the trial of Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, the conservative columnist gruffly described how he first learned from two top Bush administration officials that Valerie Plame, wife of Iraq war critic Joseph Wilson, was a CIA officer. But then Novak injected a new name into the drama—one that virtually nobody in the courtroom knew.
Asked by one of Libby’s lawyers if he had talked about Plame with anybody else before outing her in his column, Novak said he’d discussed her with a lobbyist named Richard Hohlt. Who, the lawyer pressed, is Hohlt? “He’s a very good source of mine” whom I talk to “every day,” Novak replied. Indeed, Hohlt is such a good source that after Novak finished his column naming Plame, he testified, he did something most journalists rarely do: he gave the lobbyist an advance copy of his column. What Novak didn’t tell the jury is what the lobbyist then did with it: Hohlt confirmed to NEWSWEEK that he faxed the forthcoming column to their mutual friend Karl Rove (one of Novak’s sources for the Plame leak), thereby giving the White House a heads up on the bombshell to come.
emptywheel @
37
agree, and think Andrea Mitchell’s comment in October that “everyone knew” should have been present tense… by October all the reporters, including Viv Novak were in the know. I’m thinking Mitchell said everyone “knew” to cover her late arrival at the game… likely she did not know until the Gerald Ford birthday party.
Bush didn’t say anyone involved in leaking a CIA operative’s name would be fired — what he said was that anyone who leaked “classified information” would be dealt with.
Which begs the question: did Bush consider Plame’s identity to be declassified? In which case no need to “deal with” anyone since nothing still classified was leaked.
Also: what did he mean by “dealt with.” One might assume he meant “fired” but maybe the best way to “deal with” a leaker would be to promote him/them.
Terry Olson @ 42
lolo at 76—Such a shame that we didn’t see a head on the platter yet, I’ll settle for hers.
Why is this any different in principle than Frank Gaffney talking about Congressmen needing to be hanged?
I hope we can rise above their low standard of decency.
The trial of Libby—who is charged with lying about his own alleged role in the disclosure of Plame’s identity—has revealed much about how government officials and journalists swap secrets. But Hohlt’s outing was especially revealing. Unlike many of the high-profile Washington players who have populated the Plame affair, Hohlt is a Beltway power broker of a different sort. He works quietly, rarely makes the papers and likes it that way. Hohlt, 58, came to Washington more than 30 years ago as an aide to Sen. Richard Lugar. He now represents A-list clients like Bristol Myers, Chevron, JPMorgan Chase and the Nuclear Energy Association. At the same time, he raises buckets of cash for the Republican Party: he was designated a “Super Ranger,” a fund-raiser who raked in more than $500,000 for President Bush’s re-election.
O.K#62
Please tell me you weren’t talking about Hillary. Because if you were, that would be uncalled for.
emptywheel @ 33
Well, I think that at best Armitage was a “willing dupe”, emptywheel.
Considering that he told two reporters, in a quite “robust” manner about Plame sending Wilson to Niger…and even offering up that she worked in the CPD Division of the Directorate of Operations…makes it in my mind obvious that he wasn’t unaware of what he was doing.
Armitage’s background is such that he would hardly be unaware of what CPD or the Directorate of Operations does and the need to maintain secrecy of their activities and staff.
His statement to Grossman after the Novak article and the beinning of the investigation…that he screwed up by letting something “slip” is disengenous. He knew precisely what he wanted the reporters to think; he did it intentionally and repeatedly.
oregondave @ 81
Haha! WaPo pushback against the NY Times.
On a more serious note, I watched the recent Frontline program on “The News” this week, and I think that the elite MSM is grappling with the fact that their irresponsible behavior re not differentiating between real whistleblowers and govt officials using them as stenographers is really haunting them; and so they are hoping that if the Fitzgerald investigation is discredited in court then they might be able to stave off future sopeanas of journalists in crimnal cases.
The thing that all of these MSM reports (including Frontline) are ignoring is that Fitx went out of his way to avoid having to litigate over this matter in his attempt to get waivers from govt officials, and that he never challenged the limitations imposed by those waivers.
At least that is how I understand this. And would love for some 1st amendment/constitutional law types to speak to the misteps made by Media corporations.
All CIA agents must now understand that his/her covert status is subject to being immediately disclosed at the whim of the President or Vice President.
ReneND @ 92
I was not talking about anyone. I resent the implication.
Woodhall at 80 – I like your theory of Armitage just unloading on Woodward. Makes sense.
But what inspired Armitage to finally agree to meet with Novak for an interview, when he had rebuffed Novak for years. I believe they had never met before.
emptywheel @ 50
The thing is, I sorta believed Ari realized early on that he had been set up but I haven’t read that he’s ever said/testified as much. Did I miss something?
Marcy,
Your mastery of this case just amazes me. I’m surprised Fitzgerald hasn’t asked you to second him yet!
Question for you or anyone else who’s clearer on all this than I am. It’s about Rove’s revelation about Hohlt last week. According to Newsweek, the FBI interviewed him, so I’m assuming that his name and involvement was no surprise to Fitzgerald. Is this something that Wells would have learned in discovery? Assuming (again) that lawyers don’t ask witnesses questions if they don’t know what the answers are going to be, the only reason I can think of that Wells would have wanted this testimony was to point the finger back at Rove (tying back to his opening statements about the WH throwing Libby under the bus) via a Novak-Hohlt-White House connection.
What am I missing? And apologies if this was discussed in another thread.
And thanks for the info on needing bricks-and-mortar sales. Your book was nicely displayed, in the front row, on the New Arrivals table at my local B&N the other day. Unfortunately, I’d just stuffed a few dollars in my jeans pocket for a specific errand and had only ducked into B&N to warm up for a few minutes. I’ll go back this week.
It is rather exciting to believe that FDL live-blogging may have not only changed the media narrative but also Scooter’s defense strategy at trial.
Present at the creation of a new media paradigm, etc.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 95
having grown up on a dairy farm, I think this sort of barnyard humor can be hard to relate to for the uninitiated!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 96
Sorry then. That is why I was checking. Sometimes the Hillary bashing gets pretty thick.
ReneND @ 102
I can vouch for OK Kiddo here – while nary a days go by without a lament about Hillary’s politics, I’ve never seen a swipe at her physical appearance from OK.
Country going off the Cliff: next up.
Hillary has stated voters who don’t like her are free to vote for someone else. That’s clear enough. And, yes, she showed up for the Senate vote yesterday in case the answer for some reason or other didn’t come up in an earlier thread. Rudy, Newt, Romney, Hagel, Jeb all sound like people we want to succeed the reigning monarch. Go for it.
Okay everyone, just a polite reminder from a moderator emeritus- on topic comments only for the Book Salon. Time to drop the Hillary issue on this thread.
TeddySanFran @ 99
I am old enough to remember a similar energy during the Watergate days, it was as if there were cells of Watergate experts all around the country (you have to remember that the Soaps were pre-empted for the live TV covergage–a rather amusing irony in of itself!). I was 17 and was addicted to the hearings, but also to the social discussions they engendered, with similar theorizing that I see here. By the time of the Iran-Contra scandal, the MSM was fully corrupted (which made it marginal in most people’s lives), but the blogoshere has brought us back to the spirit that was unleashed during Watergate, except that this time there is no Bernstein (so to speak). This blog reminds me of the sense of empowerment that was sensed but lost during Watergate….
TRex @ 41
Nope, but there is a cheese ball. Roquefort I believe, circa 1928, which was a very good year.
What…you don’t age cheese that long? No wonder…I thought it looked kinda green. Who could tell with the smell?
WaPo comments on toensing’s OpEd are up to 37 nearly unanimously scathing pages of STFU. Mine:
egregious @ 90
So sorry that was in jest. Jane wanted Dicks head, and since he didn’t testify she (we) didn’t get it. It was just a metaphor, and apparently in bad taste. So sorry. Back to lurking
Frank Probst @ 73
It’s true…Addington doesn’t state that Libby inquired about “a spouse”…but he did ask about how one would go about determining how a CIA employee would get authorization for someone to be sent to investigate something.
In additio,n Addington gave Libby a copy of the Intelligence Agents Identity Protection Act…which is all rather odd, given that Libby never said anything (according to Addington) about “leaking” that “employees name”…but perhaps all the discussion about getting
the Pres.to declassify information suggested something was up to Addington.If one takes the two items separately…why give Libby a copy of the IAPA Statute?
I wonder where Libby’s copy of that IAPA has run off to?
haha! She was calling his lame-assed bluff. She was willing to get up from her hospital bed (and Jane, you are blessed with titanium overies!), and well, he is still hiding in his chicken-hawk bunker.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
Lyrebird @
75
Large Print? Hell, why not get Marcy to record the Audio Book! Yum!
Marcy, loved the book. The small size is deceiving. You seem to cover every aspect of this case.
One of the many lines that stood out wrt to the press:
“Some journalists, too, seemed fearful that by telling the truth, they would lose access. But the only thing that access gets them, it seems, is the right to be spun mercilessly.” p.99
Something that you covered but that I’d find helpful to see summarized is a flow diagram of the universe of possible intelligence reports (NIE, PDA, SSCI, DIA, NSA bulletins, SPWR?, others?), the agency that crafts the report, how these reports have traditionally moved through the intelligence and politcal/military communities and how they routinely may differ (same or different intelligence sources?).
Take for example SSCI reports: are they ever used by the Executive Branch the way an NIE might be for decision making? or are SSCI reports routinely summaries of intelligence results to aid Congress when reviewing budgets?
Do only certain senators and representatiive have access to NIEs, etc. before declassification?
Off topic a bit: Joe Wilson received a call from Meet The Press Saturday evening 7/5/03 just after the electronic version of his NY Times Sunday op-ed posted on the NYT website. Wilson agreed to MTP’s request and appeared on the show in the morning with Andrea Mitchell hosting.
Novak appeared on that same MTP show 7/6/03. Coincidence?
I never saw the show. Does anyone know when Novak was booked? and what Novak discussed?
ohioblue @ 97
This is the question I’ve been asking all week. To me, it undermines the idea that Armitage was an innocent in this.
Woodhall Hollow @ 56
My understanding of Armitage is a bit more cynical. His background is replete with appearances that have rather “coincidental timing” in the hot spots of the world where US skullduggery and perfidy were commonplace. To wit:
My Notes/Thoughts: Operating an import/export business has been a notorious “cover” for running a spy outfit. And “leaving Saigon in April 1975″ kinda means he was there until Saigon fell. DOD “consultant” in Tehran before the Shah fell.
Doing what in all these “quaint” places you ask? Methinks this guy was a spook himself, and that it has never been officially disclosed.
A boyo like Dick, hangin’ about in all those shady places, particularly when the US Government was known at that very time to be OD’d on lying and killing, and other sundry stuff in those very same places, well Dick me boyo was playing tiddly-winks and teaching Sunday school, doncha know? *g*
Jeff @ 63
Oh I found this in the Well’s Crossexamination which implies that Addington DID state in his testimony that Libby referred to a spouse or wife. Wells starts off discussing a document.
“W No reference to spouse. There is another note that has the word wife, the first note I showed you.
W The note referring to discussion in anteroom does not mention spouse or wife. There’s another one that refers to wife, correct?
W You TESTIFIED YESTERDAY that when Mr. Libby was asking you a question about CIA paperwork involved wrt trip, Mr. Libby said what would be involved if a SPOUSE had been sent on a trip, by a CIA employee.
A THAT’S MY RECOLLECTION.
W going to FBI interview. You were asked to describe [your] conversation with Libby.
A [looks up, remembering] Not sure I have an independent memory of that but that’s what that paragraph says in this FBI document.
Objection, sustained.
W In your description to FBI in February 2004, you made no statement that Libby referred to spouse or wife.
A I don’t have a memory about whether FBI asked that and what I have is the FBI write-up.
W I showed that to you
A You shoved it over to me, I’m not sure I read it.
W What happened was…
Objection
W We sat there and read to you relevant portions.
Objection
Sidebar.
10:49
Walton: In reference to several documents you’ve seen in this trial, portions have been blacked out. There are reasons: personal information, classified information, or the information may be irrelevant to these proceedings.
W Mr Addington, is it correct that you don’t have a specific recollection one way or another whether you told them you used the word spouse or wife wt conversation in anteroom.
A I don’t remember what they asked and I responded.”
So it’s clear that Addington must have testified the day before about Libby using “spouse”…
Now there are two conversations, involved here. And Wells may have been trying to confuse Addington on this point. The first was when Libby approached Addington about the “paper trail” relating to a spouse working at the CIA. That was at the smae time that he asked about “Declassification” by the President.
The second meeting was in the anteroom, and was when Libby inquired about how one would recognize someone as a CIA agent…who would know they worked there. This was after the investigation had started. That’s when Addington gave Libby the copy of the IAPA and told him that “as an agent of the government” he was bound to report conversations.
EW – haven’t followed all the details closely enough to know how likely this is or isn’t, but I do think Addington’s use of Navy v. Egan would tend to point a little in favor of everyone really discussing something other than declassification of standard classified materials. Navy v. Egan isn’t really about Presidential power to classify or declassify; it’s about a power struggle between the President and Congress, and one that the Exec Branch wins, on the facts presented. IMO, it’s the kind of case you would root around to try to make Exec Branch arguments if you had a specific on point COngressional statutes saying certain info could not be disclosed, period, and the Pres wanted to damn the torpedos and disclose anyway.
For something like the NIE, where you are talking about things like breaches of procedural matters in for form area, it might be of some import. But it goes more to the substance arguments of where Congress and the Pres each have their perogatives.
BTW – I’m still saying that the NIE leaks were not authorized, even beyond the breaches of procedural from, bc they were based on an egregious abuse and misuse of discretion. fwiw
EW – If you’re still around, what do you imagine prompted Armitage to let Novak know that he would be open to an interview?
BobbyG @ 108
oooo eeee excellente!
newspaperbrat @ 86
You could also definitely throw a visit to Davis or Sacramento into that mix…along with an interview on 10 kilowatt radio-station KDVS-FM!
pdaly,
Coincidence.
Novak testified that he was scheduled to be on the “roundtable” that day when he encountered Wilson in the green room.
———–
Based on Novak’s testimony complaining about Wilson being “loud” and speaking favorably about the Clinton admin., it made me ponder if Novak decided to go after Wilson for spite. And that makes me wonder how he lucked out so well and managed to get all his ducks in a row to out Plame. Then that silly little thought lead me down the path that perhaps an agreement was struck for Novak to out her and Rove would provide the folks to leak to him and then he, himself, would confirm the leaks. I think this was separate from what Shooter and Scooter were cooking up and then the twains met on both plans, or did I mean conspiracy?
I sure would like to know what all the phone records for Novak show following that MTP appearance up through the publishing of that 7/14 article. You know, if I were a prosecutor or a plaintiff’s attorney or anything.
And another thing. When I read what Novak said about his relationship with Hohlt, a shiver went down my spine. It sounded a little too intimate to me. I don’t know too many (straight) men who volunteer that they talk to another man “every day.” Every day? Sure would like to know what the local gaydar around here picked up on that comment. Unless of course the aforementioned plan included a certain convenient fax.
And Marcy, am I remembering correctly that Cooper talked to Rover earlier that he could have rec’d Hohlt’s fax? Seems like Cooper was around 11am and Novak suggested that he got his final after lunchtime.
The Wilsons should definitely hire Marcy for their civil case.
dipper – You are so right about that. I am sure Marcy understands all the nuances of the case better than their attorneys.
Marcy, have you made any progress [or have you even been trying to make progress] with getting on shows like The Daily Show, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, both as “resident Libby trial expert” AND to plug your book?
If not, do you need the help of FDLers who might have experience in how to get “booked” there? I personally have no such experience, but I’m sure if you put out a call here. . .
Also, any interest in contacting Politics & Prose in DC, perhaps for an appearance on C-SPAN’s Book-TV?
Don’t mean to make you crazy; just my thoughts on getting more awareness of your great work.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
Some info on Richard F. Hohlt…the guy that Novak said that he met every day…and passed the copy of his article to 3 days before it was published.
Novak definitely holds him in awe, though outside of Republican circles its hard to see what public service he has ever done. After Bush’s first election Novak had Nancy Pelosi on as a guest of his TV Program and read her a quote from his “guru” Hohlt taken from the Wall Street Journal, “We have actually come out of the cave, blinking in the sunlight, saying to one another, “My God, now we can actually get something done”.
[I can only think of a cockroach analogy here…and retrospect lets us know exactly wat THEY have done!]
Besides being a major corporate lobbyist (The Federalist Group, Nuclear Energy Institute, Sallie Mae Washington Mutual, Bristol Myers squibb, Altria Group (Kraft), JP Morgan-Chase, NW Airlines, Cinergy, AOL Time-Warner, Clarke-Bordes, Kelley & Associates, Philip-Morris) with about $6-700,000 in fees annually, Hohlt is also married to a corporate lobbyist (Deborah Lee Messick-Hohlt) who also is involved in Ag, Aviation, Homeland Security, Banking, Defense, and HMO interests. Deb Hohlt also was the State of Indiana’s Washington lobbyist (”Federal Representative”).
Hohlt himself has also benefitted from key appointments in prior Republican Administrations, starting as an Advisor to the Peace Corps Advisory Council, but rapidly being placed into the Board of Directors of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (USAID) and the Student Loan Marketing Association. He was an Executive Assistant to Richard Lugar.
Richard Bohlt and his wife are key Republican contributors. In Public Citizens Congress Watch publication “The Bankrollers: Lobbyist Payments to the Rainmakers they Court” http://wwwcitizens.org/documen…..sFinal.pdf
The Hohlts ranked #45 as a couple in political contributions with 97% going to Republicans. One of the few Democrats to receive his money…Joe Liebermann!
Hohlt was a Bush campaign advisor, and a member of the Bush-Cheney “Super Rangers” – the handful of individuals who raised over $500,000 for their 2004 campaign.
Hohlt and his wife have poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into the campaigns of conservative Republican Congressmen, Senators and PACs as well. He was a co-organizer of the Bush inaugural gala dinner and when others stated their concerns about the massive amounts of money (well over corporate donation limits…but exempt) being given to fund the inaugural, Hohlt responded “They are people who believe in what the Republican Party stands for.”
Celtic Music @ 99
My view is that Wells is no dummy. There are very good reasons that he didn’t call Hohlt…and even more so ROVE, Cheney (both of whom could have presumably have backed up the claim that Libby didn’t seem to “know” about Plame on July 12th. In fact, all the reporters that were called that Libby claimed he “told” ‘as if new’ contradicted him…and there were several that he asserted that he had told in such a manner that Wells didn’t call.
But I’m not sure what Hohlt would say about Libby. Novak used Armitage and Rove…so unless Hohlt was going to be used to impeach Novak’s testimony (which wasn’t at least harmful to Libby) what’s the benefit? If anything, he might demonstrate that Rove told him of a “plan” that was working well. That could really backfire!
cinnamonape @ 117
Thanks, that’s pretty dispositive on the point.
In fact, Wells was trying to confuse the jury, I believe, as I think he tried to do in parallel ways on numerous occasions. By sliding from the business about two conversations to the business about the FBI interview, he seeks to distance any discussion of spouses as far as possible from the conversation with Libby.
But the point is, Addington testified that Libby asked about a spouse being sent on a trip by a CIA employee.
FYI….From Washingtonpost.com:
Victoria Toensing, a D.C. lawyer specializing in white-collar criminal defense, will be online Tuesday, Feb. 20, at 1 p.m. ET to talk about her Sunday Outlook article, which hands out her numerous indictments for the guilty in the Libby trial: pretty much everyone involved.
Toensing was an assistant deputy attorney general in the Reagan administration and now helps run D.C. law firm DiGenova & Toensing.
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Woodhall Hollow @ 20
Fitz does not have a connection. He had nothing to do with the Marc Rich investigation. Dave Kelley dd, but not Pat. This is a lie spread by Vicky (and I guess Babs)
LHP- New Jeralyn post up.
Beresford @ 129
I think this is important and I’ve reposted this on Jeralyn’s post. Ta Beresford for giving us the heads-up!
TRex @ 41
Fondue! Oh great Therapod I knew we were kindred spirits
floridasand @
78
I couldn’t agree more with how much more prepared all the resident and guest bloggers here, but especially MTW, eR, CHS, and JH, have been on this story compared to any similar treatment of the analytical, legal, or political ramifications of this story that I’ve seen elsewhere. This is a very subtle and intricate story, in which the devil truly is in among the minute details. There is just no way that anyone merely dropping in or swinging by this story can do it justice—which involves exposing the reasons why the Libby trial and associated case might yet be one of the biggest and most important stories for a long while.
Your efforts are already much appreciated around here, and I’m sure will become more so in other venues as well.
As I wrote on April 9, 2006 on the Schapira blog, What we know so far … in a note entitled, Where is this all going?:
A logical question that may be asked is whether or not, President Bush complied with Sec. 4.1(e) of Executive Order No. 13292, which may be found at Fed. Reg. Vol 68, No. 60, Page 15325 (March 28, 2003). In case you don’t remember what it says, or don’t have easy access to the Federal Register, here it is:
“Persons authorized to disseminate classified information outside the executive branch shall ensure the protection of the information in a manner equivalent to that provided within the executive branch.”
Well, obviously, that doesn’t apply to documents that were declassified. So before you close your Federal Register, take a gander at Sec. 1.5(h) of Executive Order No.13292:
“Prior to public release, all declassified records shall be appropriately marked to reflect their declassification.”
Ibid. at Fed. Reg. Vol 68, No. 60, Page 15317 (March 28, 2003).
Did this occur? I doubt it.
Don’t get me wrong. I think it is plenty despicable the President of the United States was a party to leaking selected parts of the NIE, which parts were selected to be misleading. I think it is unconscionable that the administration did so as part of “a ‘concerted action’ by ‘multiple people in the White House’ — using classified information — to ‘discredit, punish or seek revenge against’ a critic of President Bush’s war in Iraq,” according to Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, as reported in the Washington Post. I think there is not any doubt about that.
It’s just that I am also concerned about the fact that everyone in the media, and even those who would be presumed to be King George’s harshest critics are not examining the assertion that the President “declassified” the NIE before George Tenet did. (End extended quote from my earlier note.)
If you had filed a freedom of information request about the NIE after Scooter’s breakfast with the royal stenographer, what do you think would have been the response? If you had obtained it and published it, do you doubt that the Party of Bush would prosecute you for breaching national security?
This insta-de-classification crap is nonsense.
Visit the Schapira blog, What we know so far …
“… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”
Two thoughts. The first is about why Novak met with Armitage.
This from Newsweek: “But Hohlt’s more significant role may be his leadership of a secretive social group of GOP heavy hitters and, occasionally, White House officials, who convene to smoke cigars and mull over politics. The group’s name: the Off The Record Club. Hohlt is the club’s “keeper of the flame,” says one participant who, like others contacted for this story, didn’t want to be named because it violates the group’s rules. Each month or so for more than 15 years, Hohlt has booked a room at a posh Washington hotel or restaurant and invited the guests for dinner. Among the regulars, according to three participants: fellow lobbyists Ken Duberstein, Charlie Black and Vin Weber. Rove and White House chief of staff Josh Bolten “have both attended these meetings on occasion,” says a White House spokesperson. (Duberstein and Weber did not respond to requests for comment. Black wouldn’t talk about the club because “one of the purposes of it is to be off the record,” he says.) “It’s really just a bunch of old-timers who like to shoot the breeze.”
I’ve read that Ken Duberstein apparently asked Armitage to meet with Novak.
My second thought concerns why Dick might have made such an issue (panic) over the Wilsons. The inquiry that triggered Wilson’s trip was about the Niger claims. Dick already knew since October 2001 that the story was bogus and the documents were forgeries, yet he consistently used the ‘info’ as a pillar of his tale to sell the war. The panic wouldn’t be triggered by the falseness of the documents, or by a mistake in their use. It seems to me that the panic imminates from the exposure of a very important lie, Dick’s lie, not Hadley’s, or Feith’s, or Wolfowitz’s, or Bolton’s, but his lie that the Niger sale was a fact.
egregious/lolo @ 110: The phrase “head on a platter” is an idiom (from the Free dictionary’s idioms section):
someone’s head on a plate/platter
if you want someone’s head on a plate you are very angry with them and want them to be punished. The director was furious at what had happened and wanted Watt’s head on a platter.
Idioms, while some may be violent in nature, are quite different in tenor and intent from a call for someone’s hanging.
It sounds like they picked Armitage to leak to Novak because they knew Novak wanted to talk to Armitage, because Armitage had a dark past (which was probably known to many within the Republican inner circles) and probably because they knew he would be believed as he wasn’t really one of the NeoCon Bushites, but more from the Bush I era. It seems he may have found out that he was used to ‘out’ someone whose identity was NOT declassified and it totally pissed him off. The question is whether Cheney also knew her cover had NOT been declassified or if he simply believed Bush had declassified and he was just doing an honest day’s work.
When did Dick Cheney know Plame’s cover had NOT been declassified?
Did George Bush know he couldn’t just declare something declassified?
Will George Bush claim that during a time of war he has near dictatorial powers and can fly like a bird, er, uh, declassify anything with a word?
Who will stand up and stop the nitwits?
emptywheel @ 14
They needed to insulate Bush… so Bush writes an executive order to convery upon the OVP (Cheney) most of the powers the President has with respect to de-classification. Cheney goes on the potatohead show and announces his powers to declassify stuff. INsta-Presto Cheney disclassfied Plame’s status (arguably illegally) and the president has plausible deniability. The illegality is not Bush’s executive order but the small problem with not consulting the CIA director. This issues goes to the novel, untested, claim of unitary executive – laws be damned.
Woodhall Hollow @ 61
“Innocent” Armitage could easily take the heat of being first leaker, albeit ever so, innocently. My! could he be useful to neutralize the situation.
Fathom, perhaps, that whoever enters the operations end of the intell game never really leaves it; he/she is covert by nature. Armitage, Woodward, etc. remain assets that have been re-located. Stqndard Operating Practice; and very effective, too.
Emptywheel:
Plame and Brewster Jennings Assoc. and PEAK OIL:
Perhaps Plame/BJA via CIA were outsiders meddling wth Big Oil/Cheney’s bedfellow Saudi Arabia? If so, then outting Plame/BJA would destroy those meddlers.
It is a given that Saudi’ supergiant, old Ghawar field [abt 5 Million bbl/day] impacts global oil production more than any other. Far more. Ghawar production status is unknown WRT whether it has gone into decline…bec, of all 1 Million bbl/day fields, it is the ONLY one not admitted to be in decline, even though there is strong reason to believe it has recently started declining output.
SA will not release any raw data, just obfuscation and generalities. If it is declining, then in fact Peak Oil has already been reached and it is GAME OVER for my lifestyle and yours.
Has the possible Plame/BJA connection with ferreting Saudi production data been vetted on this thread? It is a vital matter. There are internet links pointing in that direction, but I have no personal knowledge. Just GOOGLE ‘ Plame oil’ , or JJA, or somesuch..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_RoveWhile the breaking of Valerie Plame’s cover as a NOC operative of the CIA may be regarded as serious in and of itself, there has been some speculation that the damage caused by the leak may extend in very specific directions related to Plame’s work with her cover company, Brewster Jennings & Associates. While the majority of commentators felt that her husband was the target for the smear, a body of evidence points to another motive for the leak. The leak may have been instigated as a move to end Plame’s work spying on the Saudi royal family, and more specifically her investigation into whether the Saudi oilfields had passed their peak of productivity (see peak oil). In this view (found for example in Michael Ruppert’s From The Wilderness news service) the leak was an attempt to silence and/or discredit Plame’s findings on the state of the world’s oil supply, thereby impairing the functioning of the CIA’s ability to inform the administration, in turn reducing its ability to act usefully.
From a blogger:
Plame was apparently operating a CIA fronted business intended to inflitrate the Saudi oil industry. From what was reported about Plame and her company, the CIA operation was long in the making and apparently very successful, and ultimately infiltrated numerous energy sectors in the ME and possibly elswhere. Its been awhile since I’ve read these articles.
form a blogger at Juan Cole website
…This “cover company” was known as Brewster, Jennings & Associates (BJA). It took years for this cover company to really start paying off as far as intel, since it took time for the foreign countries and companies they worked with to start trusting them. A key company BJA worked with was ARAMCO – Saudi Arabia’s national oil company, which supplies somewhere around 12% of global oil production.
First, cinnamonape@84, and then this:
Big Mitch @
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I’ve been wondering about all this for some time. You just can’t wave a wand and start blabbing.
But who’s to hold the executive accountable???
Is the director of the CIA going to sue the President for failing to follow Executive Order No.13292??? I don’t think so. Who has standing?
It seems to me that the only check on this kind of Executive mayhem is impeachment, isn’t it? What else is there???
What about Fitzgerald? Does he have standing?
If he does, what if it happened and there’s no special prosecutor? Is this a whole new domain of law?
Bob in HI
P.S. Being a researcher myself, I can see another researcher’s nightmare. How does one properly cite in a bibliography cinnamonape @84 and then Big Mitch @135 which are on the thread of FDL Book Salon: Anatomy of Deceit on the NIE By: emptywheel???
I’m new to this. Is there some trackback system that one can use to keep track of one’s favorite comments???
Jeff @
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Yes. That’s why they did the stipulation that it was excluded.
cinnamonape @
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I don’t understand why you say he offered up CPD. We know he DIDN’T with Woodward. THe only person who says he did is Novak–and that’s a topic on which his story has changed 5 times.
I’ll put in my two cents although everyone’s gone to bed:
– it’s very ingenious to see that the NIE might be a misdirection away from a different declassification re:Libby’s talk with Addington (from my memory of your live blogging the NIE was actually declassified on July 18). Why do you think he was interested in the paperwork at the CIA?
– It also seemed to me that when Fitz mentioned the President in the trial regarding the declassification it was more to raise the spectre of his involvement rather than to discourage speculation.
– from the Libby GJ tapes on C-SPAN I noticed Fitz’s suggestion that Tenet objected to the mystery declassification but it happened anyway, the President must have become involved in some way then. I’m still wondering about that funny “meatgrinder” note of Cheney’s, W tasked Scooter?
– listening to the Armitage tape with Woodward it seemed to me that he was just pushing the WH talking points “Wilson is a jerk” “his wife sent him”, perhaps these were developed in May, interesting and inconsistant that Armitage would be covering for the OVP origin of the trip back in June.
As someone said earlier, I’m looking forward to your Cheney post.
Chuteh@141, your comment about Plame’s possible work investigating the Saudi oil industry is VERY interesting. I’ve often wondered how much laundered Saudi cash put Bush in office and how they might have later used that fact to blackmail him into invading Iraq. By June of 2003, only a few months after the invasion, every American troop had been removed from Saudi Arabia, where they’d been a rallying point for enemies of the royal family (with whom the Bushes have been joined at the hip for years). Why were they so anxious to discredit/endanger Plame? Maybe she’d followed the money and knew that a foreign power had bought themselves a U.S. president!
pdaly @ says:
I’ve wondered about this as well… on a wide variety of subjects related to Libby trial and beyond (eg: trail of GWB’s evidence for war, veracity of, what was true/false etc etc.)
There was a MSM news paper (forget which one) interview w/EW which mentioned (from memory) “binders of info all over the place”. I wonder if all Marcy’s work is done on paper?
I’ve written software to manage cooperative medical research from widely disparte locations/teams. Done properly, it’s possible to build this stuff such that all kinds of pertinent data can be represented graphically (eg: different types of charting techniques) from a well designed database. Following this thing mostly as a lurker, there’s soooo much from this trial, outside immediate context of Fitz’ charges, which could/should be available to public in a way that communicates critical ideas w/out having to read volumes of transcripts (since most folks don’t have time and/or interest).
EW: if such software is something that would interest you, drop me a mail & we’ll see what we can do.
Back to the post. EW, this is your finest!
Of course you’re right. This is what it has been about from the start. They knew she was covert and Cheney said to Libby, “I can declassify her because I’m me. Throw her to the wolves.”[1]
Then, they found out about the Law George H.W. Bush shepherded through, and panicked. That’s what all the cover-up has been about from the start. It’s been as plain as the nose on our collective face, but it took your persistence to figure it out.
Great piece of sleuthing…