
How else are we to explain the editorial decisions to propel Byron York's inept and hapless crayon scribblings yesterday, followed by the propagandistic, defamatory rantings of longtime Barbara Comstock sister in crime Victoria Toensing today? Barbara Comstock currently serves as the PR flack for the Libby defense team, and has been a key fundraiser for his defense.
We'll be getting into more substantive dissections of the lies and diversions propelled by these political campaigning players, but for the moment, I'd like to call everyone's attention to the fact that the Washington Post has made the decision to be the outlet for the Libby PR machine led by Barbara Comstock.
This decision has encompassed the work of both the editorial pages (as amply displayed this weekend), and, in the past, of the news division, under the byline of right wing smear merchant Steno Sue Schmidt. Steno Sue, you may recall, provided the original megaphone propelling the lie that Joe Wilson had been sent to Niger by his wife, Valerie Plame, a claim put to rest as false by testimony in Libby's trial when the INR memo was presented into evidence.
Today the Washington Post chose not to offer an alternate editorial voice to balance Byron York's piece from yesterday, but instead, decided to go all in with a 2,200+ word opus of mass deception by hit piece flack hack Toensing, attacking Patrick Fitzgerald and Joe Wilson personally and falsely.
In the print version, the Washington Post chose to highlight the column with a half page graphic depicting Patrick Fitzgerald, Joe Wilson, "The Media," Ari Fleischer, Richard Armitage and the" Department of Justice" in mocked up mug shots. In case any readers lacked the stomach to get through Toensing's flying fecal word fog, the Post no doubt wanted to be sure everyone took the point, even those merely scanning past the Sunday Outlook section. The graphic itself is defamatory, above and beyond the insubstantial right wing rantings of the column itself.
As I've said, others will address more directly the lack of merit of the Toensing article itself (UPDATE: Larry Johnson delivers), but the first point to take is the Post's choice to serve as the sewage pipeline for Wilson and Fitzgerald smears.
Why?
Could it be that members of the editorial board of the Post want to further the idea that Libby, no matter what the jury may decide, has been an "innocent victim" of a prosecutor with an alleged "political agenda?"
Can it be that the endgame of the current political campaign against Fitzgerald, coordinated by Comstock and propelled by the Post, is to deflect attention from the nefarious acts of a corrupt administration and a complicit media establishment to sell the country on the Iraq invasion on false pretenses?
What might the Washington Post in particular have to gain by such a public relations cover up?
As the trial draws to a close, you can be sure this element of the story will gain more focused attention.



140 Comments





Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
Fitz!
Yeah, chew on that zed, Victoria Toensing.
Actually, I no longer read the Washington Post.
The Toensing piece was ridiculous. The editors must have been stoned to allow that into print. Or blackmailed.
Oh…I see that Vacuous Vickie is still passing around that hoary old lie about Libby not committing a crime because Plame wasn’t covert. Notwithstanding the fact that she WAS covert, could somebody explain why that means Libby couldn’t have lied to the FBI and a grand jury?
Didn’t think so.
Marcy, if you’re here . . . any idea when your next shot at setting Byron York straight will be?
Having seen the trailers for Breach, the film about FBI agent/traitor/Opus Dei Catholic Robert Hansen, and heard this morning on the way to the grocery store an interview with the real agent who went undercover to catch Hansen, I have concluded, using the Bush Standard of Conflation, that Robert Novak and Barbara Comstock and presidential counselor Scooter Libby and Karl Rove are all treasonous. Tony Snow probably is, too.
Now back to read Pach’s always excellent take on the magical thinking that is Republibum Washington.
Oh, Pach, I weep at the sheer grandeur of your wordsmithery.
I don’t understand the WPost. The CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, DEA, Secret Service, and all the other security agencies are in their home delivery market. How can you win a power struggle with your home delivery market???????????????????
Having been in college during Watergate, I’m amazed how low WaPo has sunk since the early days of Woodward-Bernstein. Woodward has been present the whole time (and he was a registered Repub even back then). I wonder if he’s even noticed what happened during his tenure at WaPo.
small typo, Pach:
directly the lack of lack of merit
then again….
Yes, it is incredible that the Libby team just did not put on a defense, considering all the good ammo by faithful
mediahack Victoria. Why, he should’a hired Babs.Pach
Glad to see that you are on this. God, that woman drives me up a wall.
Should mention Comstock’s connection with the teen Gitmos of STRAIGHT, INC. First read about it on FDL about a year ago.
Need to do a story on Operation Mockingbird and Carl Berstein’s courageous article on embedded CIA operatives in the media esp. The Washington Post.
Thanks for this. The Conglomerate Media manipulation is obviously one of the main reasons we’re currently in a Constitutional Crisis. This drivel is what has blinded so much of the public to keep voting in Bushs, Clintons, Liebermans, and others whose main concern is serving their Conglomerate masters. They care not about “we the people.”
The rise of organizations like FDL has happened just in time. Count on my continued support (especially financial) to fight the good fight! Hacks like Toensing and friends must be stopped very soon.
From Toensing’s editorial:
The CIA is well aware of the requirements of the law protecting the identity of covert officers and agents. I know, because in 1982, as chief counsel to the Senate intelligence committee, I negotiated the terms of that legislation between the media and the intelligence community.
Is this why Toensing is so invested in this subject? Why are so many of the same characters involved in the propaganda campaign for the Iraq also involved in Iran-Contra? There’s a lot of butt-covering going on for sure, but it looks like most of it is coming from the Repbublican establishment. Why?
Thanks very much Pach, I also think Babs has taken notice of what normally happens to her talking points when they appear in the WaPo, we destroy them in the comments section. This time, it appears Babs alerted all uninformed wingnuts to comment their support for Victoria’s latest disappointment. It’s just a wild ass guess/estimate on my part, but at least half of the ten pages of comments are supporting Victoria and regurgitating her obvious errors. It doesn’t cost anything for FDL’ers to leave a criticism at the bottom of the article (which is linked at the top of your post).
I also think what’s going on here is an attempt to taint the jury. I think Victoria’s article is aimed at friends of jurors who Babs hopes will ask them how the trial is going and then leave an opinion tainted by Victoria’s latest written sputum.
Again, very grateful for you posting on this.
I only use the WaPo to pick up my dogs crap after he poops. I preferably use the editorial page, but almost any page will do fine. It is where this rag belongs. Babs Comstock and her minions including Mary McCheney should all rot from the inside out!
Prairie Sunshine @
11
TY. Got it.
The WashPo has been coasting on former glory for years. The new mandate is to buoy stock price for the owners, and those folks have convinced themselves that kowtowing to the Republican RtWing will do that better than being fair, honest and respectable. Hence they put Walter Pincus on A14 when his reportage on pre-war and war was correct but contrary to the Bush/Cheney line. Hence they have doofusses like R Cohen and F Hiatt in charge of “informed” opinion and an ombudswoman who is a joke. Hence the Woodward star deceives even his own editor about invovlement in the Plame event all the while publicly claiming it to be irrelevant in print (no punishment ensues). Hence they consider Libby an innocent bystander because they prefer to associate themselves with his type of Washingtonian. If not for the Washington Times (a wretched waste of trees owned by a madman) it would be even more obvious what a propaganda tool the WashPo has become. It is FOX news in fishwrap.
John Casper: That’s a great point. The timing of this “hit piece” is very suspect indeed. The more and more this shit happens in our “respectable” media, how can you NOT be a conspiracy theorist?!?
Anyone hear Skeletor Andrea Mitchell say on the Tweety show when asked about the Libby trial?…quote!”I will discuss the trial fully when it is over” Hmmmm. Wonder what ol’skeletor has up her sleeve?
The thing that discourages me so much is that these people are really good salespeople. Like that asshole Frank Gaffney the other day. When put into relief against Glenn Greenwald, he looks like a fool. But he sounds so reasonable, so sure, that a low information voter, one whose is passively consuming news, would conclude that he has a point. If nothing else, it makes a fog that many people have a hard time seeing through.
People have trusted these institutions for years, they just can’t conceive that these institutions would have an agenda that is contrary to the public good.
I’ve seen the idea floated (sorry can’t remember where) that Howie Kurtz’s piece on Michelle Malangalangabopbamboom was a direct reaction to the NY Times writing about FDL and the Libby trial. Makes sense, no?
I would add also, that it’s the only thing they are good at. Otherwise, these people would fuck up a two car funeral parade.
Just as a point of reference, as recently as six months ago, all the WH spin was exclusively about an “out of control prosecutor,” and “no underlying crime.” The fact that now Victoria has had to broaden those two to include,
Jimmy’s parents let him stay up until 8:30 on school nights“why weren’t others charged?” is definitely a sign of progress. It’s not enough, but things are moving (slowly) in the right direction.I also think what’s going on here is an attempt to taint the jury. I think Victoria’s article is aimed at friends of jurors who Babs hopes will ask them how the trial is going and then leave an opinion tainted by Victoria’s latest written sputum.
wouldn’t surprise me, but the judge has ordered the jury not to discuss this case and I suspect that has been treated seriously
let’s get some facts folks — not just polemics like “smear” and “garbage” — etc.
Pach and Christy–
I just sent you an email on this subject.
undecided @ 16
Yes, and she is the chief source for the crap about it being about the Intelligence Identites Act which she fancies herself the reatest living expert on.
John Casper @ 26
you know John, I thaink you are right. You just made my day
piper joe at 10:47 am
Have you listened to Scooter’s GJ testimony? CSPAN’s got the audio link. Did you hear him say Cheney told him to leak Plame’s identity and that Bush had declassified it? Do you figure Scooter was lying about that 12 June 2003 conversation, that is confirmed by his own notes? Was Cathie Martin lying when she testified that she told both Scooter and Cheney that Plame was classified? Was David Addington lying when he testified that Scooter asked him if the President had the authority to declassify?
Alice @ 27
Judge Walton has shown that he is very aware of the press coverage and I am sure both he and Fitz know exactly how porous a jury’s isolation can be. I expect that they can head off the most egregious (waving) spin from this sort of article in their summations and instructions. I have to trust them all — can’t do nuthin’ else at this point.
On the cloture vote Saturday in the Senate on the House version of the Iraq Resolution opposing Bush’s policy of escalation, the total was 56-34 with 10 not voting and the motion for cloture failed.
This vote has not yet been posted on the Senate site and I find this completely unacceptable. The Senate, House, and Thomas (Library of Congress: for Congressional Record, bill texts, etc.) sites are still operating in a pre-Internet mode where material gets posted when it gets posted. They haven’t grasped the concept that it is not enough that information gets on the net but that it does so in a timely fashion, which in internet terms means fast.
The following is from the AP via the NYT. It was not presented in the most accessible way but at least it was there. I have tried to improve upon it a little. We have all heard which Republicans voted with Democrats for cloture. I was particularly interested in the 10 not voting.
Voting with Republicans against cloture:
Lieberman (I-CT)
Voting with Democrats for cloture: 7 Republicans, 1 Independent
Coleman (R-MN) Yes
Collins (R-ME) Yes
Hagel (R-NE) Yes
Smith (R-OR) Yes
Snowe (R-ME) Yes.
Specter (R-PA) Yes
Warner (R-VA) Yes
Sanders (I-VT) Yes
Not Voting: 9 Republicans, 1 Democrat
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Ensign (R-NV)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Johnson (D-SD) recovering from stroke
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..ref=slogin
Interesting that no Senator from Arizona could be bothered to vote.
I agree the article on the front page is to taint the jury. There must be one Republican on the jury they are aiming at. Which one do you think, Pach?
Victoria Toensing as the
mob’sAdministration’s mouthpiece on WaPo. Who’da thought?Victoria and Babs Comstock seem like they can’t find enough silly things to spend the money in Libby’s defense fund on, but one can’t say they don’t try.
But if truth be told (heaven forbid, not at WaPo!), Scoots sure ain’t getting his money’s worth with this amateur effort!
BTW, next time Victoria, you and Babs be sure to kick Bobbles Woodward out from under the covers before breakfast, ’cause his wife don’t like him staying out all night.
John Casper @
17
John -
Is it possible that this editorial was also intended to deflect attention from some impending bombshells?
Prairie Sunshine @
8
and so it is that we now know why they often call it foggy bottom …..
wapo should revise it’s standard as a fluttering moonshot …..
Absolutely.
John -
Is it possible that this editorial was also intended to deflect attention from some impending bombshells?
This was my thought when I saw Victoria had been unleashed. Somethin’s up.
John Casper @ 18.
Yeah I read those 26 pages of comments and had many of the same thoughts you noted. Many were definitely of the ” libby’s unfairly being targeted and he’s innocent” “Fitz is a runaway prosecutor wasting our precious tax dollars” posts. Wonder how many emails were generated out of the logs of the pioneers network and contributors to the FOLDF (friends of Libby defense fund). You know not only asking for more money but also asking for them to sign on and respond to the online editorial. Especially if you compare the comments generated in response to the yesterday’s York editorial to this one today. York took a much bigger beating.
And yes notice this occurs the weekend before closing arguments….. as the church lady used to say…how conveeeenient. In addition I’ll add my three words now that Christy has posted and linked to the Isikoff article. “Off the Record” Kewl Kids Klub. Hohlt was a member as was Novakula. I betchya Fred Hiatt and or Woodward are members. Fitz is getting too close to how these insider media-political-gov’t operative assholes are all complicit in this fiasco.
looseheadprop @
13
save your energy, lucy, she’ll never change. it’s all about trying to revive her glory days …….
Hey, how do I get just part of a quote? I highlighted and then dragged to the comment box. That didn’t work right.
Arizona doesn’t have Senators who represent the people. Since 2004 McCain has been doing the Bush thing of restricted attendance to townhalls. He has members of AZ Code pink arrested when they attempt to visit him in DC. There is a Recall started here BY a Republican Chair of the district he lives in.
Kyl is in until 2012 and McCain is in until 2010. If you call their office you get the party line, if you write, you get canned letters that never address the issue.
Kyl and McCain represent only themselves and the people of Arizona are a nuisance.
http://therealmccain.com/
John Casper @ 10:57 am -
John -
How soon after talking with Bill Harlow did Cathie Martin tell Scooter and Cheney that Plame was classified? She talked with him on June 10 according to a timeline I’m looking at.
When did Scooter talk to Addington?
From wiki:
Being one of the key people to help draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, Toensing has been retained by a number of media organizations to give commentary on the Plame Affair. In March 2005 Toensing authored an amicus curiae brief on behalf of Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, two journalists who were subpoenaed in the Valerie Plame investigation for refusing to reveal information obtained from confidential sources. In the brief, she argued that “there exists ample evidence in the public record to cast serious doubt as to whether a crime has even been committed under the Intelligence Protection Act in the investigation underlying the attempts to secure testimony from Miller and Cooper.”[citation needed] She also contended that Ms. Plame didn’t have a cover to blow, citing a July 23, 2004 article in the Washington Times which argued that Valerie Plame’s status as an undercover CIA agent may have been known to Russian and Cuban intelligence operations prior to the article (by Robert Novak) that revealed her status as a CIA employee.[citation needed]
Main article: Plame affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Toensing
hey firedogs,
some vintage Hamsher goodness –
with Empty Wheel & Valley Girl flavahs added
and puhleeze, some Firedog with a trading background - puhleeze disabuse me of my ongoing notion that it could all be simple greed – flushing a major paper down the toilet to enrich those “selling short”, including the Editorial Borg – thanks ever so
Nice work, Pach. The basic legal principle behind both the York and Toensing peices is to “Muddy the waters” by questioning what crime was committed, what crime was charged, and what crime is being prosecuted. Toensing festoons this technique with an elaborate, incestuous, and singularly implausible scenario in which Patrick Fitzgerald convinced Joe Wilson to lie to David Corn to help the CIA get back at Jim Comey for wishing that he didn’t work for a freak like John Ashcroft who had his knickers in a twist for being forced to show his face in public after being played for a fool by his personal political messiah and the hero of our story, George W. Bush. Everybody got it?
The moral of the story:
Squids will be squids.
peace,
jim
Here is Victoria’s website. It lists all of her op-eds, except those written after Sept. 2006.
ReneND, highlight, then do Control-C to copy and within the comment box do Control-V to paste.
Twisted Martini @
23
twisted: a good summation in a nutshell, so to speak ……
[waves back to HotFlash]
Some responses:
I’m sure they’d love to influence the jury, though they can only do so if jurors disobey the judge’s orders, and they do seem to like and respect Walton. I have no speculation about any particular juror they may wish to influence.
As to impending bombshells, I would say that, in the immediate term, they are gearing up for a conviction on more than one, if not all, counts. They are laying out foundation for a lot of political fog to say that Scooter is really innocent, despite the jury verdict.
There’s a confluence of agendas here. BushCo rightly understands that this trial presents the greatest danger to the administration and the DC establishment because it exposes the path to war and all the criminal activity propelling it.
The Wilson civil suit also hangs in the background, as does the possibility (let me speak carefully so as not to overplay this or create inflated expectations) that Fiztgerald may contemplate further charges beyond the current ones aimed at Libby. In that eventuality, they want very much to head him off at the pass, if not legally, than politically. At all costs, the truth must not come out.
Finally, the Post has been up to its eyeballs in complicity with the administration’s war machine. Hell, Walter Pincus, the more credible of the two, flatly contradicted Woodward’s testimony over whether Woodward had indeed said anything about Plame to Pincus. The Washington Post is fighting for its life, and not at all interested in seeing the truth come to light.
This is why, I believe, the Post has chosen to put itself entirely in the tank to Comstock, Libby and all those part of the conspiracy to invade Iraq.
jim preston @ 48
oh my!
sheer brilliance.
ReneND @ 43
Copy and paste what you want to quote into the comment box. Then highlight it and click on QUOTE above the comment box.
C&L has the link to listen to a Frontline special
Frontline Exposes Bush’s Media Manipulation
But..But..Here is what will be NEWS this week!
Britney shaves her head-with pics http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20012265,00.html
Practice–
Thanks guys.
Cleanup at 58 please, in between the two Rene comments.
Talking points I’m tired of:
“No underlying crime”, which usually follows “she wasn’t covert”. Sorry, but we in the public don’t know if she was covert or not. (I suspect she was, but I can’t prove it.) As for the “ample evidence in the public record” that she was NOT covert, I can only say “Duh!” Think about it: The CIA does not routinely put “ample evidence in the public record” as to whether or not their agents are covert. That’s sort of the whole point. The public isn’t supposed to know who the covert agents are.
“Why weren’t others indicted?” Because Libby obstructed the investigation. That is, after all, what he’s on trial for. And anyone who’s followed Fitz’s career will tell you that he always works backwards, so the most recent crimes are always charged first. The big reason that no one else has been charged is that Fitz hasn’t even gotten to the “underlying crime” yet. Be patient, Victoria.
Pach, Do you have a hunch what Fitzgerald will do?
yes egregious that is quite a nasty spill that needs quick action on isle 58.
BTW…. how do we vote the pundits out of office?
Since they have such power over our lives, surely they must be elected to such exalted positions.
Or are they crowned with pomp and fancy doings?
any one else having truble with nyt site?
I’m pretty new. Read the liveblogging and finally wrote this morning. Trying to get up to speed with you guys is a lot of work, but more than worth it.
katymine @ 62
they are ringed with pomp(ass), fancy doo-dooings and their tiresome twaddle should be forever banned.
John Casper @ 32
Not the issue re: the others. If Libby lied under oath, he should be convicted. No dispute about that — just as Clinton should have been convicted for his lies under oath.
Further, the cabal from Wolfowitz on down should be prosecuted — getting a nation (us) into war on lies and spin would fit within, in my view, the general conspiracy provision.
But, my question was aimed at Toensing’s contention that the others — Russert, Fleisher, Rove, etc. — who should have been treated like prosecutors normally treat folks in their shoes — plea bargain for a conviction, and bargain for the punishment — were given a pass.
Further, Walton’s trust of Russert’s lawyer unsworn hearsay was, in my view, incredible. If I were Wells, I’d have asked to put Levine under oath — the atty/client (Russert/Levine) priv. was waived by Levine’s representations. But, you see, this is all a quadrille — everyone walks –including, at the end, Libby …. just as Clinton did.
SP, CPA, below is from emptywheel’s
live blogging. I don’t think Addington gave a precise date for this meeting.
Boston1775 @ 64
Welcome Boston.
KEEPING up to speed is the tough part. I’m forever behind.
Frank Probst @ 60
Fitz stated at the outset that her employment status was “classified.” Any semantic difference between “classified” and ‘covert” is rather immaterial. If the Bushies and their apologists are now after all this time gonna openly argue that the Bush/Cheney unfettered unitary power of ad hoc insta-classification — unburdened by any sort of documentation process — neutered any “underlying crime, it simply screamingly begs the utterly obvious question of “OK, then, why didn’t you just announce it all openly on Day One? Why the necessity for the leaks and subesquent stonewalling and lying about them that resulted in a huge waste of taxpayer investigatory funds?”
We know why. That dawg jus’ won’t hunt quail.
_
Boston1775 @
64
Ain’t that the truth! (And welcome to the asylum.)
Especially when you’re reading gems like this (”flying fecal word fog”) and having to pick yourself UP from the floor back into the chair, along with the constant cleaning off of screen & keyboard from spewage of coffee, et.al. Talk about alliteration.
Further hint for reading: I’ve taken to placing my laptop on a standup desk so as to alleviate buttock numbness.
You haven’t heaved until you’ve seen Victoria Toesing smarm her way across the cathode ray tube — as she did frequently during Lewinsky-O-Rama.
The last line of Oscar Wilde’s Salome leaps immediately to mind.
Warning flying fecal word fog below
piper joe @
28
Wow, first I discover a wonderful new phrase invented by Pach and then run into another example of it right away. You must be lost piper, this isn’t Little Green Footballs. You’re welcome to read my WaPo after I use it to wipe MaPoo.
O/T -
Speaking of laws, I thought there was a law against stuff like this?
Uh, like the law of gravity? Or, is it too “just a theory”?
_
(((angie!)))
was worried you had been rendited to Macaca’s basement – welcome home gal
David Ehrenstein @ 70
Remember her tv appearances well (unfortunately), & good one on the Wilde reference:
After Herod’s command of “Kill that woman!” the Palace guards rush forward, and we have “Curtain.” Someone needs to cue the curtain on the sorry mess of her WaPo writing…
ruffian @
63
Yeah, it’s the shit they publish and the guys they give jobs to like JudyJudyJudy, Brainless Brooks and “work a metaphor to death” Friedman, to name just three. If Krugman and Rich went somewhere else, the NYT would be killing trees for nothing, nothing at all!
Just who is Victoria Toensing you ask?
Going back in time a bit, here’s what the WaPo (yes, you heard that right) in an article 8 years ago entitled “The Power Couple at Scandal’s Vortex“ had to say about Victoria and her sweetie back when they were busy snuffling for truffles to get the Big Dawg impeached:
And it is just coincidence that Novakula was the creature who publicly betrayed Valerie Plame’s identity and occupation.
Yup, and it is just coincidence that Victoria has written the OpEd trashing Fitz and begging the Grand Jury to charge him!
More:
Could Victoria and her hubby be members in good standing of the trash-talking, ever-festering Repug sore that has inflicted our nation’s body politic for the last decade or so?
And if so, why ever would the WaPo (All the Shit that’s fit to Shovel) want to be upfront about that?
Only the Shadow knows, and Cheney ain’t saying.
cbl– LOL!!!!!
nice to see you!
I do wonder in which which basement exactly Macacaman will settle down/sink into on K Street?
John Casper @ 11:32 am -
Thank you for your reply. As has been noted on at least one previous thread, the Egan decision that David Addington cited in his testimony says nothing about declassification of classified information. Something in the text of that decision was apparently taken out of context and/or misinterpreted, and it looks as if Executive Order 13292 was similarly misinterpreted; neither the Egan decision nor EO 13292 appear to support instant declassification of classified information.
Toensing jury tampering WaPo OpEd update, 29 pages of comments thus far, most of them witheringly “STFU, bitch.”
_
Welcome Boston.
KEEPING up to speed is the tough part. I’m forever behind.
angie at 11:49 am -
Has your computer been on the blink in recent weeks?
Boston1775 @ 81
I think that may be a useless waste of time.
Once EPU kicks in, everyone moves along upstairs.
Do any timelines available to us indicate when the White House Iraq Group met in May and June 2003?
Sorry about my 82. Somehow, I quoted my new message and … Don’t know how I did that.
yep, Mr. Parrish @ 11:52.
;)
Boston1775 @ 81
Sometimes people will answer in the old thread, then come up to the new thread and leave a comment like “Riesz, if you’re here, I answered your comment in the thread below”
I waded through Victoria’s swamp last nite, and was mesmerized by the speed & ferocity of the wingnut echoing commentary attached to it. I have never seen the Reich Wing flying monkeys glom onto anything quite so quickly. No question in my mind that the cheeto brigades were primed and ready for Vickie’s opus. The cries of “excellent” and “you go, girl” from their mothers’ basements were deafening.
In my dreams: Judge Walton hauls Victoria into court on Tuesday morning, cites her for contempt for attempting to influence both the petit and grand juries, throws her in jail until the grand jury is done and Fitzgerald’s back in Chi-town — and then asks the media room, Barbara Comstock especially: ” Who’s Next? “
Thanks for responding piper. Here’s the totality of your 10:47: “Please let’s get some facts folks — not just polemics like “smear” and “garbage” — etc.”
Without any references, it wasn’t clear what issue you were raising.
No, Bubba’s lies were about consensual bj’s. Cheney’s and Bush’s lies have cost the lives of more than 3,000 US dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s and destabilized an entire region all for the bargain base price of $267,00,00/DAY. Clinton’s behavior was seriously unethical, but I don’t want my tax dollars spent prosecuting lies about consensual bj’s, for which Monica did not charge.
From Wolfowitz down? Why not from Wolfowitz on up?
Your commenting in bad faith piper, here’s your 10:47, it wasn’t a question:
“Please let’s get some facts folks — not just polemics like “smear” and “garbage” — etc.”
Most targets don’t have $900/hr counsel such as gold bars Luskin. Let’s reserve criticism of Fitz until he’s finished? Also see swan comment below.
I agree Russert was lying, but Scooter shouldn’t have tried to make him the fall guy. Stolen from lhp, “swans don’t swim in sewers.” How does a non-practicing attorney’s knowledge of the law in 1998, affect statements made by his attorneys or him years later about his opinions as a journalist?
Although it would affect the way Fitz wrote his indictment, you have to get past Scooter’s own GJ testimony, Scooter’s notes, Cathie Martin and Addington, before you have the luxury of worrying about whether Russert is telling the truth imho. Fitz was stuck with Russert’s previous testimony which contradicted Scooter’s and could not be directly impeached, sucks to be Scooter.
Since you want to be Scooter’s attorney, Wells didn’t put “his punk” on the stand. Did you agree with that?
new thead!
Nice work, Pach, although I trust you wore gloves and a face shield and disinfected thoroughly after going through Miss Vicky’s leavings…
Sure makes one wonder whether Judith Miller meant something altogether different by “Victoria” and “Flame” in her notebook.
I suspect that this was a concerted effort to play to the base, and a preemptive strike of the kind they are so “good” at (”good”, like preemptive strike on Iraq…). It’s not just to condition the base about the impending verdict, but about any impending indictments.
And to manipulate the potential jury for Plame’s/Wilson’s civil suit, since the burden of proof is much lower than it is in a criminal prosecution.
Nor is Libby’s defense team really working for Libby, to condition any peeking jurists or potential future witnesses/jurists; they are working for much bigger criminals, in particular the one that is the likely godfather of the biggest RICO organization this country has ever seen. Miss Vicky, with Babs’ hand up her backside, is really doing disinfo for Cheney Co. Really, who the hell is Libby anyhow? He doesn’t make money move like Cheney Co. does, doesn’t move markets like Cheney Co. can, doesn’t have his hand up the backside of the meat-puppet-dry-drunk-boy-who-would-be-king-of-the-world. This is all to enure to the benefit of Cheney Co., from its CEO down through the ranks of the folks who’ve profitted from Cheney Co. business.
And Miss Vicky has a bit of blowback going on here, too, if she’s also responsible for the 1982 draft of IIPA. Maybe Cheney Co. told her to make good for ever being involved in the IIPA, told her to put her cred on the line since as a drafter, the hordes might listen to her. But we didn’t listen to her shrill flatulence on the subject before, with good reason. Why would we now?
Wells didn’t put “his punk” on the stand. Did you agree with that?
No :>) — Edward Bennett Williams always used to tell his clients: “If you don’t testify, you better bring your toothbrush to the court house.”
Wells did a terrible job, which is why I called it a quadrille.
Frank Probst @ 60
So true. The silver lining in what amounts to odious revelations about the WaPo clockworks is that, after all is said, none of their points stand up to scrutiny. It’s wishful thinking. But then who expected them to go quietly? They’re burning up right now.
Riesz Fischer @ 87
Hi Boston,
Rest easy. There are hundreds or thousands of us here at any time, if you try to answer everything you’ll go insane or starve. One of the beauties of the Lake is that one is supported by the Grand Stream here. Someone will answer, the information will be held and available again when needed.
If you really wanna vomit, listen to this:
http://www.kcrw.com/news/progr…..ution_rest
toensig & york on the same program.
Sure, deflector spin is likely a very important driver for this weekend’s action by the slime merchants.
But, in a larger sense, I have to wonder if the Greenwald/Holmes smackdown of Gaffney is also, perhaps, playing a part.
Specifically, after their wailing wall was breeched, could it be that this is also meant to be a battering ram to push the infidels (ie. journalists who still remember what the 5 W’s actually are that are now being granted the freedom to point out demonstrable falsehoods to a national audience) back through the gates?
_____
btw: for those interested the CBC has just run a very good 5 part series called ’spin cycles’. FDL denizens would very likely be interested in the first half of episode 5, which can be found http://www.cbc.ca/news/backgro…..1;>here.
.
oregondave @
6
Byron York is Straight?! You’re kidding me!
If anyone can do it, Marcy can!
Thanks piper, I appreciate the response.
Thanks for including the link to the WP letters submission page. Just sent mine:
Editors:
Publication of the Toesing piece today removes any lingering doubts about your integrity and reliability as journalists. To those who harbored lingering doubts, it is now perfectly clear that the Post is not to be taken seriously on matters where bias and spin can somehow serve its business interests. How sad that the paper I used to count on has become a laughing stock. For solid reporting on and analysis of the Libby trial, I’ll be relying — and putting my money — on the professionals at firedoglake.com. Tell your advertisers.
Sounds like Fitz might have struck a nerve. It seems to me that they are getting awfully defensive. Maybe enuf details of the trial have seeped the thick craniums of previously uninterested Americans so that they are now paying attention. Like that Far Side cartoon where a herd of cows are feasting away in a pasture and one of them looks up and says “Grass! We’ve been eating grass!”
It’s a shock to find you’ve been dining on fodder while the farmer has been sucking you dry.
Maybe the cows are ready to have a showdown with Cheney. WaPo might just be trying to get ahead of the mob.
Hello.
Oilfieldguy @ 101
Hello, stranger! Where-all you been? {{{{{ OFG }}}}}
john casper (#89):
i was wondering just what kind of tune vickie T. would be whistling if she had Well’s job. either she wouldn’t have argued any of that b.s. she put in that oped or Scoots would be in even deeper doodoo than he’s in now. of course, Scoots probly knew that already and took his chances with wells …..
It would seem the Victorious Of The Singing Toes wants indictments of all but Libby.
PS. I have a strikethrough on my name, email address and blog on the comments. Did I piss somebody off?
HotFlash @ 102
Supplying an addicted nation. Bunch of fukkin junkies. Hailing today from Schulenberg, TX.
Oilfieldguy @ 105
The Exxon or Andy’s?
Ooh, gotta dash. Mr. HotFlash is takin’ me to the model railroad show!
OFG!! Nice to see you, even in EPU zone!!
Re: Miss Vicky and the lies that won’t die…
Numerous intel professionals have all said that Plame was covert. The CIA asked for DOJ investigation based on her status as a covert operative.
Miss Vicky continues to recycle her lie that Plame wasn’t covert, although Miss Vicky was not in a position to know with certainty, not being employed by the CIA in a capacity of authority over Plame, let alone in any capacity during the outing.
If Miss Vicky is so damned right in her tenacious grip on this line, why is it that Porter Goss couldn’t kill the investigation by disclosing the so-called truth? Why couldn’t Hayden or McConnell kill the investigation by disclosing that Plame wasn’t covert?
Shouldn’t Goss, Hayden and McConnell be a bit peeved off that Miss Vicky is calling them inadequate and liars in the pages of WaPo??
Oilfieldguy @ 104
Looks fine here to me OFG. Nice to see you back in the Lake.
Completely agree fahrender, my guess is Babs wrote the piece for her.
Hey, Pach. Late as usual… but has anyone suggested this finely written article for SPOTLIGHTING?
If not, I will.
BTW, I am SICK to death of these people! (wapoo-poos, BC, VT, and their ilk.)
And Negroponte, too, forgot his sorry blightedness…why didn’t Negroponte kill the Plame outing investigation when he was DNI if Miss Vicky (and her alterego Babs) was right about Plame not being covert?
They had all these handpicked flunkies in positions of administrative authority and yet they could not tell the public that Plame wasn’t covert?
What tripe.
After reading all I could about the Libby trial. I’m firmly convinced this country needs a laxative. The syringe would have to be inserted in the MSM. Caution after insertion
head for high ground quickly. We are looking
for workers to clean up Washington after
the tidal wave of crap. Job will last for years. We also need drivers to take the waste
to the Nevada desert to buried miles deep in
a mountain. Hazardous duty pay will be afforded
Larry Johnson on Victoria Toensing’s editorial:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m……html#more
Saw an interview of Woodward with Larry King shortly after Fitzgerald’s press conference in Nov 05, about the indictment, and thought his attitude/ comments very strange. What’s his role in the WaPo? Don’t such articles such as Toensing’s need his consent?
Toensing’s article synchs with the April 2006 WaPo OpEd “A Good Leak”, which argued that the main problem with the Plame leak was that it was ‘clumsy’. National security was not relevant; the Plame leak was bad only because it was ‘clumsy’.
After reading Toensing’s article, I grabbed John Dean’s “Conservatives Without Conscience”, in hopes of finding insight. It seemed the best hope of understanding how Toensing could write an OpEd in which the subtext reads: “how dare you even question us (i.e., Lbby, and by association, Comstock et al.)?!!”
By impugning a federal legal process, Toensing goes out of bounds. She sets the conditions for someone to view Fitz and the FBI as somehow ‘illegitimate.’ I note this with alarm, because of something that I read recently by Frameshop’s Jeffrey Feldman. He wrote a diary at DKos pointing out that rightwing demonizing sets the preconditions for violence.
Feldman uses a sample of a letter from Timothy McVeigh, which contains the sort of psuedo-legal, false logic that Toensing’s piece also contains. By portraying the feds as ‘illegitimate,’ McVeigh allowed himself to believe they were ‘an enemy’ and could therefore be bombed. (God help me, I will never get the image of that firefighter holding the bloody babe out of my mind… nor, I suppose will any other FDL commenters.)
I think that a wide range of discussion in newspapers is important; however, to impugn a federal prosecutor as somehow ‘illegally’ pursuing a WH official crosses a boundary.
What I found most fascinating about the Toensing WaPo Whopper was its authoritarian tone. Wrapped in the patina of legal argument, it’s really saying — “we know the law better than you do, we make the rules, and we’ll tell you what they are (and if you don’t play by them, we’ll destroy you).
Here’s what John Dean had to say on p. 30 of his book:
“The heart of [researcher] Jost and his collaborators’ findings was that people become or remain political conservatives because they have a ‘heightened psychological need to manage uncertainty and threat. More specifically… psychological factors associated political conservatives included… fear, intolerance for ambiguity, need for certainty or structure in life, overreaction to threats, and a disposition to dominate others…”
Toensing’s article appears to fit with the characteristics identified by researchers, and delineated by John Dean.
Toensing is not interested in discovering what happened, nor why that might matter for American security. With respect to the Libby trial, Toensign comes unglued by Wilson, Armitage, Fleischer, Woodward, and Russert; she smears every one of them by name.
Note that in delegitmizing Fitzgerald, a man who once successfully prosecuted early World Trade Center bombings, Toensign is demonizing a man who fights terrorism — successfully — on US soil.
The Dems need to call bullshit on ANYONE who suggests that a US Federal Prosecutor, and FBI agents, are acting in violation of the law, or are conducting any sort of illegal investigation. It is not right for a man who has successfully prosecuted terrorist to be smeared, and impugned (along with the FBI) simply because he’s doing his job.
If the Dems don’t call Toensing, Comstock, Matalin, and the rest of this cabal out, then hell with the Democrats! They cannot turn a blind eye to this destructiveness.
I don’t think that every prosecutor is above reproach, nor is every FBI agent. But Toensign impugns federal law and justice officers with the same kind of flawed, woozy logic used earlier by McVeigh. This MUST stop. We cannot allow these people to destroy the institutions that keep us safe.
The Comstock load?
Ha!
readerOfTeaLeaves@115
Wonderful analysis!
Jimmy Brainiac @ 116
Something you found in a colostumy bag?
EPU, but I smell a desperate attempt to get to the jury. Contempt motion, anyone?
readerofTeaLeaves@115
Great comment. How do we call them out? If this trial only causes MORE of this frightening fabrication, what can possibly stop them?
readerOfTeaLeaves @
115
I freely admit that I haven’t read Teonsing’s OpEd this morning but I’ve seen her on TV talking about this case. So, I have to say that Toensing’s OpEd seems to be totally unnecessary if what the conservatives have been saying all along is true: this was justa simple perjury case. There’s nothing to see. No major law broken. If that’s true, then what is all the fuss about Victoria? No one got indicted on the IIPA, right? Why even bring it up? Unless…
…they expect Scooter to be convicted. That will make some news. And people will start to wonder, did Scooter lie to protect himself from prosecution for outting Plame or did he lie to cover it up for someone else, like Cheney? And if he was covering up, then he must have thought he (or Cheney) did something wrong. But if he did nothing wrong, according to Toensing, then why is she so adamant that no one has the right to prosecute anyone for this non-crime?
Methinks, the lady doth protest too much.
Readeroftealeaves,
THANK YOU.
Yes, it was interesting to see who was too gutless to even vote, on having or not having a vote. Both Utahns, Orrin “Never Met An Illegal Alien He Didn’t Like” Hatch and Bennett (no, not the gambler!) couldn’t be bothered to vote.
Thad Cochran of Mississippi couldn’t vote against Bush, since Bush could block billions of dollars in Hurricane Katrina reconstruction aid from flowing to his state, as Bush has done in Louisiana as part of a concerted Karl Rove scheme to depopulate Louisiana and shift it to the Republican column in the US Senate. But Cochran maybe couldn’t stomach voting for Bush on this war either, so he didn’t show.
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, who was APPOINTED U.S. Senator by her father the governor, in a viciously corrupt and undemocratic paroxysm of nepotism, seems to be against the war, but couldn’t afford to anger the Bush worshipping majority in Alaska, so she didn’t vote. By the way, her dad the governor was so unpopular in Alaska for this nepotism trick and others that HE GOT BUTT-KICKED OUT OF THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE IN 2006 BY COMING IN FOURTH PLACE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY! How many governors can say, “I’m such a loser I came in 4th in my own party’s primary AS AN INCUMBENT, and to make it worse I LOST TO A NOBODY!” Ha ha.
Good ‘ol John McCain, angrily denouncing the MERE IDEA that anyone would challenge the great Bush on ANY war decision, tried to paint his refusal to vote on the resolution as an act of moral superiority! McCain said he won’t even recognize the vote on the Bush escalation AS BEING A LEGITIMATE ACTION. Wow. McCain believes any Republican madman in the White House must be given unfettered authority to make war, even when that man has been shown time and time again to be incompetent, or treasonous. But McCain does not reciprocate by saying ANY DEMOCRAT must be given the same dictatorial powers. The Constitution, in McCain’s eyes, distinguishes between the two parties! McCain truly is a lunatic.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not Voting: All 10 are Republicans, except for the seriously injured Senator Johnson.
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Ensign (R-NV)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Johnson (D-SD) *
Perhaps the Washington Post has morphed into the ComPost. The editorial would certainly belong there.
Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex, but this trial has opened up the whole can of worms about how the media is in bed professionally with this administration, that contacts mean more than telling the truth. I remember being shocked and disappointed at Woodward’s “fall” when it came out he was basically being WH stenographer, but the sad truth is he is not the exception to the rule. This week’s talking points from the WH followed to the letter: Build up the case against Iran. These people have ABSOLUTELY NO SHAME whatsoever.
ReaderofTeaLeaves, great point. This administration isn’t just saying it disrespects the law; it is actively pursuing it. Slipping in legislation into the Patriot Act to replace US Attorneys without Senate confirmation, and now actually firing attorneys who prosecuted Republicans. Does anybody doubt they are holding this over Fitzgerald’s head as well? The hounds of hell are showing their fangs.
I believe that what Ms. Toensing did is a violation of American Bar Association ethics rules and, one of you lawyers out there ought to bring a complaint against her
Bob Woodward and Gloria Borger on the Chris Mathews Show. You gotta dance with the one that brung ya
One of the things that we forget as we’re
caught in the heat of the current debate: this is a legal war. The Congress three to one in 2002 said, gave Bush the right to go to war. He decided to do it. So, you know what really amazes me is that Bush, and Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid don’t get together and say, “We’ve got to come up with a bipartisan strategy and consensus on this.” We’re all in to a certain extent in this war. And we owe it to the troops.
Amazing. Matthews then asked: “Do you think the Democrats are willing to be party to this war, or they’re trying to get disengaged from it?”
Woodward shockingly responded: “They are a party to this war. They voted for it.”
Borger then said something maybe equally astounding:
They don’t want ownership of this war, Chris. I mean, I think the Democrats are trying to have it both ways. If you definitely cut off funding, then you have ownership of what comes next.
Moments later, the following remarkable discussion ensued:
Woodward: If everyone’s thinking about politics and not the troops on the ground. Those people are our surrogates, and we owe them everything, and we can’t even reach political consensus in this country.
Matthews: But what happens when you have a country that is so divided if you just poll regular people about this war, so much against this war, but yet the commander-in-chief is for the war. How do you reach a consensus between a majority who don’t want the war, and a president who wants one? How do you do it?
Woodward: I think that people have to rise above politics and party here. And, think, I’ve talked to these people who have come back from Iraq, and in communication with some there, and they wonder: “What the hell is going on in America? What? You know, we’re here, they sent us here. And we’re talking about cutting off funding.”
Extraordinary, Bob. Bravo!
Seaborne Smith @ 127
I think you may have a point. Let’s hope that a more knowledgeable poster or two follows up, because if you read Feldman’s recent postings, he makes a very persuasive case that what we are seeing is dangerous. Combine that with what Dean explains about authoritarian behavior (and its roots), and failure to address this is like ignoring the first signs of inflammation and disease.
And if this analysis is correct, it actually puts the press at risk as well. In fact, in my region at least one local newspaper had to take security precautions that were fairly extensive because ultra-right wing thugs felt that ‘the media’ was somehow ‘out to get them.’ Note that Toensing and Comstock impugn the media in a way that also puts it at risk.
If this violates professional conduct standard (my gut tells me it does), then some group needs to take this on. It’s dangerous. (I have no standing with any law related professional organizations, so wouldn’t be effective on this topic.)
slickery @
128
There is nothing extraordinary about Bob Woodward’s rhetorical “hocus pocus.”
Woodward is doing what Woodward does best — Protecting George W Bush.
“Why it can’t be my precious Bush’s fault — I know, the big bad DEMOCRATS MADE GEORGE BUSH INVADE IRAQ!!!!!”
This is Bush’s war. He wanted it. He invaded. He mismanaged it. He continues it.
As to the suggestion about Pelosi Reid and Bush gettting together and putting a bipartisan solution together, great!
Except Bush doesn’t want to. He still wants his war.
A post in the WaPo speculated that putting the mugshots on front page of that particular section of WaPo is an attempt in influencing the jury (have not seen the actual paper)…hmm, interesting.
There were two serious national security breaches that occurred in July 2003: 1) the classified identity of a covert non-official-cover CIA operative was revealed in a Robert Novak column, and 2) another Robert Novak column disclosed shortly afterward the classified identity of a covert CIA front company, a company used by covert non-official-cover CIA operatives, including Valerie Plame, in their overseas intelligence gathering activities.
This is what people keep forgetting. It wasn’t just Valerie Plame’s covert identity that was disclosed. All of the CIA operatives who used this CIA front company also had their covert non-official-cover identities compromised. Along with all of their contacts overseas that these CIA operatives had cultivated over the years.
Therefore, a sizable intelligence gathering network was compromised by the nefarious actions of some Republican political hacks and their equally culpable masters in the offices of the president and the vice-president.
And if these Republican political hacks get away with what amounts to murder then they will be viewed as no different than Ames and Hansen. We are talking about comparable national security breaches.
Which is why I’d ask Comstock and Toensing the following: “Based on your blindly loyal defense of the Bush administration after its initiating two major national security breaches in 2003, do you believe that what Ames and Hansen did years ago should also have gone unpunished?”
I believe Patrick Fitzgerald knows that there is no difference between what Ames and Hansen did (and were prosecuted for doing) and what Bush officials did in 2003. And based on my own experience in U.S. military intelligence years ago (especially after attending all those meetings where security classifications were discussed), if these Bush administration traitors skate and go unpunished after compromising our national security in such a nefarious manner in 2003, then they have made a complete mockery of our democracy.
IMPEACH everyone in the Bush administration responsible, starting from the top down, NOW!!!
Thank you so much, Pachacutec, for the way you focused your post on those actually responsible for soliciting and distributing this despicable propaganda at the highest levels of the Washington Post.
One gleaming “prize” that the Washington Post (and the Wall Street Journal and their corporate team members) dearly hopes to gain from mischaracterizing the investigation and Libby trial [an investigation and trial which have in fact been honorably and scrupulously conducted by Special Counsel Fitzgerald] is in fact suddenly drawing closer now by leaps and bounds:
Unbelievably, John Conyers, no less, is about to spring into action to push a “federal shield law” for our sterling national press corps through his Judiciary Committee and the House, with the help of some Republican members, according to a recent news account (San Francisco Chronicle, I believe) that discussed the fall-out from the baseball steroids investigation. No doubt this rush job of shield legislation will have no time to take testimony from the two men in America who probably currently have the best perspective and experience to discuss this vital issue in depth with the House, with regard to the impact such legislation would have on the rule of law and the Judicial System and thus on the honest operation of our federal government: Mr. Fitzgerald and Mr. Eckenrode (now retired from the FBI).
As with HAVA, our Members of Congress see a problem, and proceed to devise a “solution” that instead causes far more insidious and destructive harm to our democracy. Stop and think, Congress!!
If John Conyers and his fellow Democrats do not at this stage fully understand and appreciate the overwhelming power and control that they would be willingly ceding to the corporate-subsidiary media of this country by hastily enacting a federal shield law for “reporters,” the Democratic Party is beyond contempt and beyond useless to the people of this country.
It just takes my breath away to hear honorable Members of Congress assert that employees [such as Bob Novak and Brit Hume and Judith Miller and yes, Victoria Toensig] of agenda-driven media subsidiaries of profit-driven corporations should be exempt from judicially-enforced testimony in front of federal grand juries that are conducting good-faith investigations of possible criminal wrong-doing (especially in our federal government). Every other citizen in this country must testify in such investigations under the law, but John Conyers wants to create a special class of “citizen” (anyone who can call themselves a reporter) who could (and would) shield any and all wrong-doing (and leaks of any classified information for any reason) in order to protect anonymous (good-faith or otherwise) government sources in the name of the First Amendment.
In today’s corporate-owned media world, such a solution is the height of folly, as far as I can see. DOJ guidelines are already so stringent about forcing testimony from reporters only as a last resort, that Libby’s defense team mocked and denigrated Tim Russert for being treated with such kid gloves by the prosecution during the arrangements for his testimony in this investigation. The CIA leak case ought to have taught the Members of Congress how vital it is that good faith reporting of whistleblowing leaks is where their attention must lie: with the cause of the whistleblowers, and not with the bad faith political and corporate manipulations of today’s private-market-oriented as opposed to public-interest-serving mass media.
Christy wrote an excellent post about this recently, calling for wide and deep public debate about this reporter shield issue. The House of Representatives seems poised instead to take a leap off the nearest cliff. I’m simply appalled that some of the most-targeted victims of the media manipulation in this country for the last six-plus years have yet to fully realize the ugly and democracy-hostile forces that they, and we, are up against, and must seriously and diligently contend with in order to retain our liberty.
GE @ 130
There were at least 75% of congress who voted for the war. Facts are facts. The reason the Dems haven’t got together with Bush is because they want to use it as political football.The people of this country don’t like the way Bush has handled the war. On the other hand they don’t want to leave our troops high and dry. It’s time to pony up.
Ari Fleischer himself said Plame was covert during his testimony in this trial.
Ironically, The Washington Post itself reported this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01788.html
Andres Perez @ 135
Aren’t you a wee bit tad curious why Ari Fleischer, master of evasion, said that Plame was covert *twice* in fron of the jury during his testimony? Now, why would he do that? It seems to weigh heavily on his mind.
Toensing is floundering.
Shouldn’t that image be of a tank, instead of a toilet? Since that’s what Pravda on the Potomac is in?
Looks like the Washington Post Editors and News reporters are being blackmailed by the right wing propagandists and supporters for a simple reason. All of these editors and editorial board writers at WP have had sexual liasions with Victoria T, Barbara C, and these women have them on candid camera. In addition these WP folks have been photographed by these women taking (snorting) dope and fear this will come out in the open. Therefore they have no choice but to listen tot hese women and write whatever they want.
One WP reporter told some people that he loves the NAZI SS uniform and hopes that he could wear that in the open. He was told US is a free country and go ahead. He said until GW Bush assumes all power (kicking out congress and suspending the constitution) he dare not.
Propgagate Dishonesty and Prevarication are the motto of the Washington Post.
GOD is the oNLY hope and prayer for USA. Not the WP nor the NYT. Even Bob Woodward is a GOP is a GOP propagandist.
Yours Truly
Gen Ike. E
why the puzzled openning?
Wapo is just executing their right to support their controllers.
Must I remind the rest of the unwashed that the most important lesson learned from the viet nam war was that in order to control and maintain power, they must control the structures that deliver the information. Thus, in spite of the claims regarding the “Liberal Media”,wapo and the rest of the corporate media will permit the right wing stooges to fithy their publications with garbage like toensings mutterings.
Larry johnson can rail but until and unless he gets the same access that the right has, the Liberal message will not get out!