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		<title>By: Karinne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/16/the-spin-im-in-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-509246</link>
		<dc:creator>Karinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Donita,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After years of being a student without a “proper” job (no benefits)…I bought myself health insurance.  For me it was a cost ~$200-300 range per month.  Yes, no doubt, our health care system is messed up, but you gotta get it.  It’s cheese -  like going to the mall to pick up your health insurance, but it’s important.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When are you going to do a show in San Francisco?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donita,</p>
<p>After years of being a student without a “proper” job (no benefits)…I bought myself health insurance.  For me it was a cost ~$200-300 range per month.  Yes, no doubt, our health care system is messed up, but you gotta get it.  It’s cheese &#8211;  like going to the mall to pick up your health insurance, but it’s important.</p>
<p>When are you going to do a show in San Francisco?</p>
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		<title>By: brownandserve</title>
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		<dc:creator>brownandserve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-508658&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alicia @&lt;br /&gt;
                84              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Great post, Donita!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve spent over 30 years as a professional ‘working joe’ musician (since I was 16), and my mother asked me the same thing - ‘why don’t you get a job with security and benefits’? Now, she has seen that ‘job security’ and benefits are a thing of the past. Here’s my answer when people ask me “Why don’t you get a real job?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you are a musician, you have heard these words a million times. They are spoken sometimes in anger, sometimes in pity, sometimes in frustration. Why anyone with a brain in their head would choose to fritter their life away honestly puzzles many people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Musicians are widely regarded as lazy, immature, and either aimless or unrealistically over-ambitious. (”What do you call a guitar player without a girlfriend?” “Homeless”) They are constantly reminded by well-meaning folks how small the chances are of ‘making it’ (i.e. becoming rich and famous) and how difficult it is to make a living as a full-time musician. Some of that may even be true. ‘Lazy’, however, I believe I would have to disagree with. When you go out to a bar, for instance, have a few drinks and dance to your local live band, they sure look like they’re having fun - as much or perhaps even more than you (depending on how your day has gone). It’s hard to believe they’re getting money for doing almost the same thing that you’re paying to do - dancing, singing, partying. How much money do you think they’re getting? Whatever your guess is, I’ll bet that it’s not low enough. The waitress makes more - lots more. The bartender makes more - lots more. The busboy, the bouncer, the valet-parking guy…now you’re getting warm, Sherlock!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://aliciamorgan.com/a-day.html&quot;&gt;here’s the rest…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read “the rest” and thanks for the link.  I’ve written and home-recorded lots of tunes but I’d hesitate to call any of them “art” and what you refer to as the “have to” is, for me, more like an itch that needs to be scratched.  I’ve began to wonder if what I’m doing actually   is degrading what real musicians/artists do in the way velvet paintings and mass produced seascapes seemingly degrade what real visual artists do.  When I retire from my full time job with benefits I’m gonna live my rock and roll fantasy.  I”m already growing a pony tail LOL.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-508658"><em>Alicia @<br />
                84              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Great post, Donita!</p>
<p>I’ve spent over 30 years as a professional ‘working joe’ musician (since I was 16), and my mother asked me the same thing &#8211; ‘why don’t you get a job with security and benefits’? Now, she has seen that ‘job security’ and benefits are a thing of the past. Here’s my answer when people ask me “Why don’t you get a real job?”</p>
<p>If you are a musician, you have heard these words a million times. They are spoken sometimes in anger, sometimes in pity, sometimes in frustration. Why anyone with a brain in their head would choose to fritter their life away honestly puzzles many people.</p>
<p>Musicians are widely regarded as lazy, immature, and either aimless or unrealistically over-ambitious. (”What do you call a guitar player without a girlfriend?” “Homeless”) They are constantly reminded by well-meaning folks how small the chances are of ‘making it’ (i.e. becoming rich and famous) and how difficult it is to make a living as a full-time musician. Some of that may even be true. ‘Lazy’, however, I believe I would have to disagree with. When you go out to a bar, for instance, have a few drinks and dance to your local live band, they sure look like they’re having fun &#8211; as much or perhaps even more than you (depending on how your day has gone). It’s hard to believe they’re getting money for doing almost the same thing that you’re paying to do &#8211; dancing, singing, partying. How much money do you think they’re getting? Whatever your guess is, I’ll bet that it’s not low enough. The waitress makes more &#8211; lots more. The bartender makes more &#8211; lots more. The busboy, the bouncer, the valet-parking guy…now you’re getting warm, Sherlock!</p>
<p><a href="http://aliciamorgan.com/a-day.html">here’s the rest…</a></p>
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<p>I read “the rest” and thanks for the link.  I’ve written and home-recorded lots of tunes but I’d hesitate to call any of them “art” and what you refer to as the “have to” is, for me, more like an itch that needs to be scratched.  I’ve began to wonder if what I’m doing actually   is degrading what real musicians/artists do in the way velvet paintings and mass produced seascapes seemingly degrade what real visual artists do.  When I retire from my full time job with benefits I’m gonna live my rock and roll fantasy.  I”m already growing a pony tail LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Biggus Diggus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/16/the-spin-im-in-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-508970</link>
		<dc:creator>Biggus Diggus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI, the whole Los Lobos “The Ride” album is great.  You could do worse than to own it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, the whole Los Lobos “The Ride” album is great.  You could do worse than to own it.</p>
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		<title>By: Biggus Diggus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/16/the-spin-im-in-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-508968</link>
		<dc:creator>Biggus Diggus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m self-employed, too, and thankfully so far seem to be blessed with good health.  However, I spend a lot of time on a bicycle in San Francisco and one day I expect my number to come up and to get in an accident.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really don’t think employers should be responsible for paying for healthcare in this country.  It drives the prices up way high.  The prices would come down if everyone had to pay out of pocket or if the government gave everyone some kind of catastrophic insurance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best thing you can do is just eat right, exercise, and take care of yourself.  Yoga is good, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m self-employed, too, and thankfully so far seem to be blessed with good health.  However, I spend a lot of time on a bicycle in San Francisco and one day I expect my number to come up and to get in an accident.</p>
<p>I really don’t think employers should be responsible for paying for healthcare in this country.  It drives the prices up way high.  The prices would come down if everyone had to pay out of pocket or if the government gave everyone some kind of catastrophic insurance.</p>
<p>Best thing you can do is just eat right, exercise, and take care of yourself.  Yoga is good, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/16/the-spin-im-in-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-508952</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You guys who are working musicians are what makes me feel good, what would we be without music. I started learning to play guitar at 60 and am now 65, it is one of the hardest things I have ever tried to do. If I had it to do all over again, I would be a musician or an artist, things I am pursuing now have so much more weight in my life than all the jobs I have done as an excavator. There are seven whole notes in the world and magic happens with abcdefg. Listen to John Coltrane play Stardust-that’s god talking, and by the way the reason things are so fucked up down here is that Thelonious is teaching god to play piano, I know god knows everything and can do everything, except play piano like the Monk.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys who are working musicians are what makes me feel good, what would we be without music. I started learning to play guitar at 60 and am now 65, it is one of the hardest things I have ever tried to do. If I had it to do all over again, I would be a musician or an artist, things I am pursuing now have so much more weight in my life than all the jobs I have done as an excavator. There are seven whole notes in the world and magic happens with abcdefg. Listen to John Coltrane play Stardust-that’s god talking, and by the way the reason things are so fucked up down here is that Thelonious is teaching god to play piano, I know god knows everything and can do everything, except play piano like the Monk.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post, Donita!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve spent over 30 years as a professional ‘working joe’ musician (since I was 16), and my mother asked me the same thing - ‘why don’t you get a job with security and benefits’? Now, she has seen that ‘job security’ and benefits are a thing of the past. Here’s my answer when people ask me “Why don’t you get a real job?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you are a musician, you have heard these words a million times. They are spoken sometimes in anger, sometimes in pity, sometimes in frustration. Why anyone with a brain in their head would choose to fritter their life away honestly puzzles many people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Musicians are widely regarded as lazy, immature, and either aimless or unrealistically over-ambitious. (”What do you call a guitar player without a girlfriend?” “Homeless”) They are constantly reminded by well-meaning folks how small the chances are of ‘making it’ (i.e. becoming rich and famous) and how difficult it is to make a living as a full-time musician. Some of that may even be true. ‘Lazy’, however, I believe I would have to disagree with. When you go out to a bar, for instance, have a few drinks and dance to your local live band, they sure look like they’re having fun - as much or perhaps even more than you (depending on how your day has gone). It’s hard to believe they’re getting money for doing almost the same thing that you’re paying to do - dancing, singing, partying. How much money do you think they’re getting? Whatever your guess is, I’ll bet that it’s not low enough. The waitress makes more - lots more. The bartender makes more - lots more. The busboy, the bouncer, the valet-parking guy…now you’re getting warm, Sherlock!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://aliciamorgan.com/a-day.html&quot;&gt;here’s the rest…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Donita!</p>
<p>I’ve spent over 30 years as a professional ‘working joe’ musician (since I was 16), and my mother asked me the same thing &#8211; ‘why don’t you get a job with security and benefits’? Now, she has seen that ‘job security’ and benefits are a thing of the past. Here’s my answer when people ask me “Why don’t you get a real job?”</p>
<p>If you are a musician, you have heard these words a million times. They are spoken sometimes in anger, sometimes in pity, sometimes in frustration. Why anyone with a brain in their head would choose to fritter their life away honestly puzzles many people.</p>
<p>Musicians are widely regarded as lazy, immature, and either aimless or unrealistically over-ambitious. (”What do you call a guitar player without a girlfriend?” “Homeless”) They are constantly reminded by well-meaning folks how small the chances are of ‘making it’ (i.e. becoming rich and famous) and how difficult it is to make a living as a full-time musician. Some of that may even be true. ‘Lazy’, however, I believe I would have to disagree with. When you go out to a bar, for instance, have a few drinks and dance to your local live band, they sure look like they’re having fun &#8211; as much or perhaps even more than you (depending on how your day has gone). It’s hard to believe they’re getting money for doing almost the same thing that you’re paying to do &#8211; dancing, singing, partying. How much money do you think they’re getting? Whatever your guess is, I’ll bet that it’s not low enough. The waitress makes more &#8211; lots more. The bartender makes more &#8211; lots more. The busboy, the bouncer, the valet-parking guy…now you’re getting warm, Sherlock!</p>
<p><a href="http://aliciamorgan.com/a-day.html">here’s the rest…</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/16/the-spin-im-in-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-508474</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Central Scrutinizer is alive and well, still enforcing the laws that haven’t been written..yet&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for the great run Frank&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Central Scrutinizer is alive and well, still enforcing the laws that haven’t been written..yet<br />
Thanks for the great run Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-508445&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LandOfTheFree @&lt;br /&gt;
                72              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-508430&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The best thing the US can do to encourage creative people, foster artistic development and enrich our culture is to ensure health insurance is available and affordable. (Of course, affordable &amp; available insurance will help virtually everybody in this country… I’m just pointing out how much it would help the “creative class” in our society).&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually im not self employed, im working in the nonprofit sector, thus the not “working for the man comment”- as it stands i dont have anything steady, but if by the time im 25 I dont ill start sweating it- Im not the healthiest person, but im healthy enough not to get a random sickness unless its from work(which theyd cover then)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And its fine, im all about killing peoples buzz;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-508445"><em>LandOfTheFree @<br />
                72              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-508430"><br />
The best thing the US can do to encourage creative people, foster artistic development and enrich our culture is to ensure health insurance is available and affordable. (Of course, affordable &amp; available insurance will help virtually everybody in this country… I’m just pointing out how much it would help the “creative class” in our society).</a></p>
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<p>Actually im not self employed, im working in the nonprofit sector, thus the not “working for the man comment”- as it stands i dont have anything steady, but if by the time im 25 I dont ill start sweating it- Im not the healthiest person, but im healthy enough not to get a random sickness unless its from work(which theyd cover then)</p>
<p>And its fine, im all about killing peoples buzz;)</p>
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		<title>By: NinjaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>NinjaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Been switching between Amy Winehouse’s new album and Muse’s Black Holes and Revelations - Winehouse is fairly gravelly soul music, Muse go through thirty years of alternative pop in 45 minutes.  It’s fun.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been switching between Amy Winehouse’s new album and Muse’s Black Holes and Revelations &#8211; Winehouse is fairly gravelly soul music, Muse go through thirty years of alternative pop in 45 minutes.  It’s fun.</p>
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		<title>By: BobbyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobbyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CD Baby’s latest indie artist tout:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Current Numbers:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * 168,706 artists sell their CD at CD Baby.&lt;br /&gt;
    * 3,011,376 CDs sold online to customers.&lt;br /&gt;
    * $40,901,127 paid to artists.&lt;br /&gt;
_____&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Equivalently, averaging $242.44 per artist, 18 units per artist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I’d like to see the actual distribution, though; I’d bet the median is even lower.)&lt;br /&gt;
_&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CD Baby’s latest indie artist tout:</p>
<p>Current Numbers:</p>
<p>    * 168,706 artists sell their CD at CD Baby.<br />
    * 3,011,376 CDs sold online to customers.<br />
    * $40,901,127 paid to artists.<br />
_____</p>
<p>Equivalently, averaging $242.44 per artist, 18 units per artist.</p>
<p>(I’d like to see the actual distribution, though; I’d bet the median is even lower.)<br />
_</p>
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