Yesterday, National Journal published a fascinating story by Murray Waas reporting on the efforts of Vice President Dick Cheney back June 2002 to force Congress to conduct an investigation of a leak involving the National Security Agency. The story involves a call Mr. Cheney made to former Senator Bob Graham D-Fla., following news articles that reported that NSA had intercepted communications by the 9/11 hijackers on September 10, the day before the attacks, but which were not translated until September 12, the day after. As Congress was investigating why the nation’s intelligence agencies, and the Administration itself, had not discovered the 9/11 plot, the NSA intercept information had been revealed to select members of Congress immediately before the apparent leaks to the press.
Waas reveals that Cheney’s phone call was an apparent attempt to intimidate Congress into cracking down on leaks of classified information or risk losing substantial access to executive officials and information the Administration wished to keep confidential from Congress.
Because someone had leaked the highly classified information from the NSA intercepts, Cheney warned Graham, the Bush administration was considering ending all cooperation with the joint inquiry by the Senate and House Intelligence committees on the government’s failure to predict and prevent the September 11 attacks. Classified records would no longer be turned over to the Hill, the vice president threatened, and administration witnesses would not be available for interviews or testimony.
Moreover, Graham recalled in an interview for this story, Cheney warned that unless the leaders of the Intelligence committees took action to discover who leaked the information about the intercepts — and more importantly, to make sure that such leaks never happened again — President Bush would directly make the case to the American people that Congress could not be trusted with vital national security secrets.
In the process, Cheney also sought to use Congress to bring pressure on the media to reveal sources whenever government secrets were leaked. And Cheney might also have hoped to preclude Congress from investigating the main story itself — that NSA had intelligence regarding the 9/11 hijackers but the Administration did not act upon it quickly enough.
The rest of the story is fascinating and well worth the read, but here I focus on a link to the outing of Valerie Plame. As Murray reports, a central irony of the Cheney efforts to intimidate Congress into investigating the NSA intercept leak was that it added to the arguments a year later for having an independent prosecutor — Fitzgerald — appointed in the Plame leak case.
Graham, for one, believes that Cheney and Libby’s strident demands to investigate leakers in Congress made it all but impossible for the White House to do anything less than cooperate fully with any criminal investigation of the Plame leak.
“They [the administration] would have had a certain exposure to hypocrisy if they hid behind executive privilege” when the Plame investigation began, or if they had fought the appointment of a special prosecutor, Graham said. “It made it politically untenable to avoid having a strong investigation, because they had demanded it of us. With us, they said we should call out the meanest, leanest dogs. The example that they set with us became the boomerang that came around and hit them.”
In addition, although Senator Shelby of Alabama was investigated by the FBI regarding the NSA leak, the 2002 case ended in much frustration over the inability of the FBI to compel reporters to reveal their sources. The FBI officer on that case was Jack Eckenrode, the same agent who would later help in the investigation in the Valerie Plame case. But this time, he had Fitzgerald’s support in going after reporters:
With Fitzgerald’s appointment as special prosecutor, Eckenrode found a sympathetic ear for his complaint that leak probes often went nowhere because suspects knew that reporters would never be forced to testify. Although the men agreed that reporters should be compelled to testify only as a last resort, Fitzgerald assured Eckenrode that he would demand such testimony if necessary.
Fitzgerald’s resolve was displayed later in the Plame case when he pursued contempt charges against then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller. She refused to testify after being subpoenaed and ended up spending 85 days in jail. Miller finally agreed to testify about her conversations with Libby about Plame — after Libby called her in jail and encouraged her to do so.
The irony that Libby, once the vice president’s top aide, was accused of concealing his role in leaking information to the press has not been lost on some. Graham said in an interview: “It’s hard to believe that the chief of staff to the vice president was acting as a rogue agent. What we have learned from the trial validates the suspicion that Libby was not just operating as a lone ranger. He was carrying out what the vice president wanted him to do, which was to besmirch Joe Wilson. I think Libby has been a conspirator in one of the most reprehensible and damaging breaches of American security in modern history.”
There’s lots more; read the rest of the story here, and then if you have not already done so, stop by Salon and read Sidney Blumenthal’s excellent summary of the Libby trial, which Christy highlighted in this post yesterday, and Marcy’s take on the three reporters who didn’t testify, at TNH. Then watch and listen to Jane and Marcy’s wrap up, posted last night, on the final day before jury instructions.



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It is freezing this morning in Florida. But I got me some coffee and a hot fresh post from scarecrow. Thanks.
waas up!
Scarecrow: During the time that Bush threatened to stop giving intelligence to Congress, didn’t he also have a plan ready as to what to do in case the whole of Congress had been killed or incapacitated?
ccmask @
4
That’s the first I’ve ever heard of that. But during the 1950-60s, I think the gov developed contingency plans for a nuclear war, which might have included plans for what to do in the event D.C. was hit. Those plans are probably sitting on some shelf, somewhere, but not because Bush asked for them.
So…Patrick Fitzgerald’s quiet, intense, thorough investigation of the outing of Valerie Plame is blowback.
Mmm-mmm. I just LOVE schadenfreude pie with a big steaming mug of coffee for breakfast, don’t you?
I believe he made up the plans during the anthrax scare. I’ll go on a google junket & look around.
The Waas article increasingly makes it look like Cheney was in the LIHOP camp.
Waas article also makes it clear that the possibility exists that Condi could have warned Willie Brown of San Francisco not to fly on 9/11, which she has denied in spite of Brown’s report to the contrary.
No wonder egregious was so cryptic yesterday about Waas…
Congress Not Advised Of Shadow Government Bush Calls Security ‘Serious Business’
Bush acknowledged yesterday that the administration had taken extensive measures to guarantee “the continuity of government,” after it was revealed that about 100 top officials, spanning every executive branch department, have been sent to live and work in two fortified locations on the East Coast.
By Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin Washington Post Staff Writers Saturday, March 2, 2002; Page A01
This system, in which high-ranking administrators are rotating in and out of the two sites, represents the first time a president has activated the contingency plan, which was devised during the Cold War of the 1950s so that federal rule could continue if Washington were struck by a catastrophic attack.
It was unclear yesterday whether any federal documents — prepared either by the current White House or by Bush’s predecessors dating to Dwight D. Eisenhower — specify whether congressional leaders should be told if the plan is put into effect. At least one relatively general document, a 1988 executive order entitled “Assignment of Emergency Preparedness Responsibilities,” said the White House’s National Security Council “shall arrange for Executive branch liaison with, and assistance to, the Congress and the federal judiciary on national security-emergency preparedness matters.”
The executive order, signed by President Ronald Reagan, is a precursor to documents outlining the contingency plans in greater detail, which have not been made public. Regardless of whether Bush had an obligation to notify legislative leaders, the congressional leaders’ ignorance of the plan he set in motion could raise the question of how this shadow administration would establish its legitimacy with Congress in the event it needed to step in for a crippled White House.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/shadow.htm
Contingincy plans…
Dribbling over the fine line between responsible concern and pants-wetting.
Did folks see Howard Kurtz love note to Malkin?
Kurtz on Malkin
I think we should spotlight TRex’ post from last night to Kurtz.
Boston is still a nasty clump of ice, this a.m. But at least the sun is shining.
Scarecrow at 11 — Oh, please do. And feel free to include this from Sadly, No! as well. The fact that this even has to be spotlighted is pathetic — but then, we’re talking about Howie Kurtz here. SIGH
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
Guess Howie thought he had to be “fair and balanced” after the NYT put Jane and Swopa’s hand front page above the fold. But Kurtz’ piece is truly pathetic. Easily “wanker of the week” over at Atrios’ place.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
And I’ll bet Greenwald will do a number on Kurtz. He’ll have to put aside Iran, war crimes, constitutional crises, and scandals just to deal with Kurtz’ idiocy.
Seems rather quiet in here this morning.
Eye of the storm?
IIf you want to get questions or statements on the Diane Rehms Roundup today (friday) about the Libby trial.drshow@wamu.org, or call 800-433-8850. You could mention both of the FDLer’s books “Anatomy of Deceit” “U.S. vs. Bush” Her show starts at 10 a.m. EST and they focus on the weeks events for two hours.
If you call start several minutes before the hour and you will get through..keep hitting redial. Diane does not get many callers from the west coast (7a.m.) your time, so I bet you folks would get on the air.
Dorie the screener is wonderful, be clear and to the point, and she will get you through. Millions of people listen to Dianes show (she is one of the best mainstreamers going) so it is an effective way to get the word out about books and ask the questions that the MSM does not get to.
If the DR show hears from enough people about these two books they will bring them on!
Try it
Sorry…..drshow@wamu.org
Morning!
Christy is up next on Air America.
And wondering what’s in store for the Dreaded Friday News Dump this week.
So when congress folks say that they did not get the same information as the bush administration regarding the build up to the Iraq/n war, that is absolutely true. Here’s what bothers me. I am not necessarily a fan of Hillary, but doesn’t she make an important point in light of the info today and isn’t that part of what she is trying to get across…that congress/senate was not given accurate information about the lead up to war?? And shouldn’t that be highlighted by someone.
I suppose a more effective stance would be…”we should have asked more questions, made more demands and recognized that the information was bogus”…But it is probably just as important that we understand that this president would not give congress/senate the information it needed to assess the need for war.
I mean, I wish we would get off the Hillary apology issue and focus more on the “Bush lied, people died” focus. I am a pacifist but truth be told, before the war, my thoughts were that the inspectors had not been given enough time and that war is not the answer, however, I also remember thinking…maybe the gov’t knows something about bio/weapons of mass that I don’t. I think we all had a little bit of that going on BECAUSE BUSH CHENEY OUT RIGHT LIED TO US.
Why can’t we focus more on that?? As it seems this article by Waas (and all that we know about Plame) makes clear.
I’ve been bumped to a little later on Air America — just FYI. Looks like I’ll be on the 9:30-ish segment because the current discussion is going a little long.
Another way to listen to Christy, from twolf1:
In iTunes, in the column on the left, under ‘Library,’ highlight ‘Radio.’ When the categories appear, it may take a second or two, click the little black triangle next to ‘Talk/Spoken Word’. Then double click on Air America.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
Left you a chili plant article at the end of the last thread
Why isn’t Murray Waas on TV?
Seder is a scream this morning!
AZ Matt @ 25
Agreed! That last segment was LOL.
scarecrow, I will also be Spotlighting your post, thanks.
WOW….. Sam is playing the real nutcakes that are sucking up oxygen in Congress this week. Goode and the idiot who repeats quotes that Lincoln did not make.
On hold — coming up next…
I see Air America still has crappy ads. Some things never change.
I’m assuming Christy is on next.
John Casper @
27
Good morning JC — thanks; anything we can do to get Murry Waas out there to the nation’s media is worth doing.
Alice Marshall — thanks for the link; I missed Washington Week’s coverage of the Libby trial.
CHS on Seder’s show on Air America now…
Christy! Go Girl Go!! She is On The Air!!
Nice intro from Sam
Waas dosen’t believe Novak’s cock-and-bull story about Novak not having given up his sources but Fitzgerald already knowning who they were. Novak’s stock and trade is publishing dirty little secrets from “very good” sources. His complete abandonment of reporters privilidge’s to shield his confidential sources from public disclosure is less a matter of his journalistic integrity than it is of his spinlessness.
more Murray (from December)…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..36927.html
“As to the charge that I am somehow less of a person, or broken from the experience, I believe I speak for many others when I simply say this:
It is from the wellspring of our despair and the places that we are broken that we come to repair the world.”
And he should be on TV; he was terrific at DK FDL panel.
Katie Jensen @ 20
Hans Blix vehemently insisted that his UN inspections were effective and toward the end, Blix had Saddam’s cooperation and approval to do more inspections. I remember thinking at that time that the impending attack on Iraq would be cancelled, in spite of all the weaponry in the gulf. I thought wrong. Then the media including Dan Rather started cheerleading the war and then shockin yaw began straight away. Then Lee Greenwood was on the radio ever day. Clear Channel war rallies.
Scarecrow @ 12
18F
Winds Ne at 18MPH Brrrrrrrr
Katie Jensen @ 20
Sen. Graham, who is quoted in the Waas article, voted NO on the Iraq War. He had been looking at that intelligence for years. Had I been Hillary Clinton or any other Dem Senator at the time, I would have consulted Graham before voting.
The fact remains that Hillary, Edwards, Kerry, and the rest of them voted Yes because it was the politically expedient thing.
She can apologize all she wants. She won’t get my vote for the nomination.
Rayne @
8
I don’t know where you get the “Brown’s report to the contrary.” He’s been all over SF TV knocking that as an internet rumor. Here’s one account, from an interview with SF Chronicle columnists Matier and Ross:
I’ve seen him address this in live TV interviews as well. Shorter Willie: give it a rest. There’s lots to go after the Bush Administration on, and this isn’t on the list.
They [the administration] would have had a certain exposure to hypocrisy if they hid behind executive privilege
I’m skeptical of this story. Since when has the threat of appearing hypocritical ever deterred this White House from doing anything it feels like?
Great job as usual CHS!
Wow. That Hardin person really knows her stuff. Hope I get to meet her some day.
WOW. Once again, The Onion proves prescient:
The Onion: Bush Cuts Off Diplomatic Relations With Congress
The Onion
February 14, 2007 | Issue 43.07
WASHINGTON, DC-President Bush announced Monday that his administration will permanently sever ties with the democratically controlled United States Congress, ending a nearly 220-year-old alliance between the two governmental branches.
“Our administration no longer recognizes the authority of this rogue
body,” said Bush in a televised Oval Office address. “Clearly,these combative men and women have a political agenda in direct opposition to
our own. They have no concern for my national interests, and have left me no choice.”
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/58560
Great job Christy!!!
Alice Marshall — thanks for the link; I missed Washington Week’s coverage of the Libby trial.
you didn’t miss a thing.
the thing is, we need to insist that those who have been consistently right be rewarded
Wow – thats one interesting article by Waas. Thanks for highlighting it for us, Scarecrow.
It’s just plain astonishing to me that the VP would threaten that he would refuse to give Congress national security information. This story clearly shows how the Cheney cabal was more than happy to break & bend laws and traditions so they could run things their way.
Bob Graham was quite a captive during all of this. I remember him gently trying to speak out against the secretive tendencies of the POTUS/VP and this admin. He had to be careful, because he had specific security access and knew that Cheney’s cabal was dangerous. I hope we will hear even more from him now. Americans need to understand the strongarming and the deception that was being led by those at the highest levels of our government.
While it is a minority opinion around these parts, I know, I believe the Fitzgerald/Libby investigation and prosecution has ended up being a huge victory for the administration.
The results have been the final nail in the concept of reporter privilege, a slap on the wrist for the Bush administration and endless book tours for Libby once be completes his two weeks in jail.
Fitz is a guy who believes that he, himself, is the law. Outing Valerie Plame and lying to the American people means nothing to him — lying to him, however, is a crime.
No wonder then, that the Bush people are not too bothered by all this. The results are a press that will not press too hard, has abdicated its role as government watch dog.
While readers sit around for another year or two waiting to see if Fitz will ever charge anyone with a serious crime, the Bushies continue to operate in secret.
From my perspective, Fitz’s work in Illinois is non-too-impressive. He has a reputation for trying to roll up people, but always fails to land the big fish until they are years out of office. The former governor may have finally been convicted, but he was long out of power and influence when it happened, and Chicago’s mayor and his machine obviously have nothing to fear in Fitzgerald — and neither does Bush, Cheney or Rove.
Thanks everyone — love doing the show with Sam. He’s such a hoot. :)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 49
Probably Malkin says the same about Howie Kurtz.
You did great Christy! Peanut would be proud!
AZ Matt at 50 — Peanut got to hear this morning. Mr. ReddHedd stayed home for a few minutes so I could have a clear line (otherwise The Peanut would have gotten on the line to say “hi” to Sam. lol) and he had the show streaming.
Shoot – I tuned in too late and missed Christy on AAR.
Shouldn’t the focus of the Democratic Congress be to defund the Office of the Vice President? They probably have to pay Cheney’s salary, but strip him of his minions.
Take your ‘unique office that is neither a part of the executive branch nor a part of the legislative branch’ and shove it!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
Have a good radio chat this afternoon! Off to work for me.
Wahoo…. it is a two CHS day… Start with CHS and end of the workday….
FYI on Peter B Collins… he has had Jason Leopold on frequently who has been buying the trial transcripts and posting over at TruthOut. That maybe why Peter B’s questions were all over the place last time. Not sure if Leopold has been at the trial.
I want to make clear that I am not saying “vote for Hillary” or that she shouldn’t apologize for her lapse in judgment. What I am saying is that we certainly could take her statements and use them to our advantage in a progressive way, instead of using them to determine the voting in 2008. At this point I want the world to understand that Bush lied to us and to congress/senate and that act is treason and impeachable. If we keep focusing on the elections instead of the truth, we make the same mistake as the folks out prostituting for our votes. THe most important part of what Hillary is saying, in my opinion, has nothing to do with the elections. She is saying that Bush/Cheney lied.
So I am asking, can we focus on that?? We can focus on Hillary’s lapse of judgment when it comes time to choose a candidate. But today’s business is uncovering treason, as far as I am concerned.
That’s all I am saying…no Hillary fan, just want to keep the focus on the lies. I am not certain that some people in congress/senate were not fooled in to fear by Bush/cheney and I think it’s unfair to assume that Edwards et al voted the way they did just for politics. I think some of that was the fear that there were things that the gov’t knew about the dangers of WMD that they did not know. I think Bush/Cheney crafted it that way.
Cheney also tried to intimidate the CIA. Seems he went there 6 times. Never before in history has a VP ever gone to the CIA. You see, if this administration doesn’t hear what it wants or doesn’t like what it hears, they’ll intimidate you until it is changed. How can we change this? IMPEACHMENT. Put it back on the table, Nancy.
One addition, remember that the anthrax victims were dems. I think Bush/Cheney made a concerted effort to ’scare’ not only us, but our representatives as well. THis is treason.
Okay I am done now. Sorry, I just want these dangerous liars out of office.
Sorry, I just want these dangerous liars out of office.
Yep.
Scooter Libby has a “get out of jail free” card.
While the trial is somewhat entertaining, it truly is
a show trial, as Libby has a pardon waiting for him in
the event he is convicted. He may have to keep an
appeal in play till later in the Bush administration
because of the political buzz a pardon would cause.
However, imagine the book Libby could write about the
inner workings of v.p. Cheney’s office, not to mention
the White House at large!
Libby’s discretion assures that he’ll never spend a
day in jail, and he probably gets a golden handshake
of consultant work, corporate board posts or whatnot,
to compensate him for the millions foregone by not
writing the book.
The notion of testimony by Libby or Cheney was a
transparent feint by the defense. Get serious! With
all their past prevarications the risk of public
testimony under oath would have been insane.
yet another general telling us what’s going to happen with the escalation…from think progress
I don’t have the source, but I remember Senator Clinton said she had called Rice to check the “facts.” Condi denies she received the call, of course. One of her many “I don’t recall that” moments, aka lies.
Katie Jensen @ 58
It also ties into the NSA spying… what do they know about whom?
What sh*t do they have on the Congresscritter?
What do they have on their spouse?
Is it about their kid?
Whose life could be destroyed if they do not go along?
BushCo/Rove/Cheney practice scorched earth policies and everyone knows it too.
PageUp @
48
Nice to get up to a good laugh. Yeah, the mainstream press were REALLY on top of things, junkyard-dogging the administration every step of the way. Russert, Novak, Woodward, Miller et al served such a a vital role that we will now be deprived of.
Paraphrasing McEnroe: YOU.CANNOT.BE.SERIOUS!!!
_
Scarecrow @
14
Guess I woke up on the picky-picky-picky side of the bed, but…
1. Isn’t that Marcy’s hand, rather than Swopa’s?
And, not to be too too sexist or nothin’, honestly (!), but…
Isn’t there some sorta a law agnst male spiders building elaborate webs, or maybe there oughtta be… heck, everyone knows what happens to “successful” male black widow spiders, eh?
2. Cheney caught in a web right out of his own spinerettes, or pretty near? I’d just love that!
Yeeouch! It’s gotta hurt, I hope!
C’mon Scooter, give up the shooter, puleeeze!?!
IMPEACH!
Katie Jensen @
56
And the only way to truely move forward is to call out any reps (ncluding Senator Clinton) who repeat the bi-partisan theme song “If only we knew then what we know now” hogwash. Come on all one had to do was listen to The Diane Rehms show before the invasion. She had expert after expert on her show questioning the wisdom of the invasion and weapons inspectors who kept telling us the intelligence was bullshit.
Unless our reps can tell us that they read intelligence that the public was not privy to ( I will never forget Republican Senator Chaffees face during the Bolton hearing, he referred to other intelligence that they were handed before the invasion and was clearly pissed) They need to take ownership for their votes, explain them with more than “if only we knew then what we knew then” hold those responsible for the false pre-war intelligence ACCOUNTABLE. Then and only then can we honestly move forward. This is the very least that our reps can do for the tens of thousands of people who have lost their lives in this war of choice. All reps who voted for that war resolution have blood on their hands. Unless they were privy to more verifiable intelligence.
katymine @ 63, I don’t think they have to do as much as blackmail (although they’re not above it). The power of their office, and the number of underlings willing to go along with them, is blackmail enough.
Sally @ 62
As a mere citizen, I remember being skeptical about the need to start a war with Iraq because the allies were not on board. They had all gone along with the ‘91 war, so I thought why are they not jumping in on this one. Then when Bob Graham voted “No,” I knew the Intel was crap. That’s why the allies said no.
For what it’s worth, Bush put through this little Executive Order on Valentine’s Day:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..214-5.html
Rayne @ 6
Cue “The Witness”, Scene 14, Harrison Ford at the B’fast table with Kelly McGillis, and her Amish father and son.
“Now THATS —> a good cup of coffee“
Adie –
Guess I woke up on the picky-picky-picky side of the bed, but…
1. Isn’t that Marcy’s hand, rather than Swopa’s?
I have no idea whose hand that is. But your quarrel is with Swopa’s tongue-in-cheek, not me.
Swopa’s Hand?
pageup,
I cannot imagine a more difficult job than trying to crack this conspiracy of power that has existed as a shadow government for at over 20 years. (I am sure longer but I had no knowledge prior and do not have enough history to speak on that). Since at least Reagan, these elitist drug smugglers…and yes, I think clearly drug smuggling is part of the issue. Look at the borders free and clear, look at afghanistan and it’s poppy production, read about Iran?contra, learn about Noriega and his “special” relationship with the US and why he is being so protected and evasive.
Katymine, I think you have a point about the spying. This government has a kind of power that is seperate from “governmental” powers. It is the use of power and control, violence and any means necessary to accomplish goals. They have to go. We have to keep moving forward and telling the truth, but we also have to be prepared for the consequences of going toe to toe with this kind of power. There are always consequences and we in the lower and middle class (katrina…according to Brown, Bush punished the democratic leaders by not giving them attention…don’t know if he can be trusted, but it sure stands out in history as an anamoly to the way the usa does things and could well be true) will pay the consequences.
We cannot back down on the truth and I fear we will defeat ourselves if we don’t keep our eyes on the ball. The shiney object defense has been going on for a very long time. Clinton’s impeachment was an example.
Adie @
65
Swopa seems to think differently.
lina @ 68, from what little I knew, I could not see any reason for invading Iraq or why anyone would think there was a reason. My co-workers and friends thought I was seriously deluded when I vented against the invasion. I haven’t had any apologies in the aftermath.
Sounds like Cheney is showing some more of that aristocratic privilege that he and his family think they’re entitled to. Mary Cheney can be gay and have a baby, not only out of wedlock, but with her female life-partner. But it’s not framed as an issue that anybody else can follow on with. No, no, no. It’s an issue of “privacy,” not an issue of legal rights.
This whole issue cited above is just more confirmation that in an earlier era, Cheney would be wrapped in jewels and furs and gold-encrusted armor, surrounded by courtiers and musicians, singing endlessly of his bravery in manly battle and of his brilliant intellectual pursuits.
My understand about why senators are not sharing about the intel they recieved is that it is all “classified”. That according to some of the stuff Kerry was saying during the election, that his hands were tied in part because the Bush administration classified and made it impossible for him to bring it out. I have no doubt that our senators did not know about the forgeries, my guess is that they were fooled. I think that a few could see through the conspiracy and I think politics certainly played in to the theme, but if they were in fact given bogus information as we were and if that information was classified they would not have been allowed to “out” it. Then take into consideration that we have a leak trial going on since 2003, and I think most folks are stuck not discussing why they voted the way they did.
I could be wrong here, but I think the truth will eventually come out.
It’s all in the family:
http://www.rawstory.com//news/….._0216.html
Katie Jensen @
56
I’m no fan of Hillary either, and I think you have a very good point. It’s too easy to get wrapped up in assessing blame when in fact they (Clinton, Edwards, et al) didn’t have all or the correct information to make an informed decision. Plus they were shamelessly manipulated to come up with the response they did.
I know that if I had been treated with so little regard, I would have become an implacable foe and activist with a long memory.
Funny thing about that. It seems to be where I’m at right now.
The truck just rumbled by, so it must be . . . “Take Out the Trash Friday!”
What’s getting dumped by the curb this week?
With the House vote today on the Iraq resolution and the Senate scheduled to try to vote tomorrow, plus the holiday weekend, it’s a great day for a news dump. We’re due for a bigger load than usual. Guesses, anyone?
hackworth @
37
I was in complete shock when IAEA’s El Baradei and UN Kofi Anan came out in early March of 2003 and said the Niger Document and the claims about the aluminum tubes was completely false! The MSM’ers barely covered El Baradei’s or Kofi Anan’s speeches at the Un. And Cheney came out on MTP and undermined what El Baradei said and Russert did not challenge Cheney what so ever when he did his best to undermine El Baradei (surprise)
It is complete horse shit that our Reps could not access other information. Just turn on NPR, Amy Goodmans Democracy Now or the Diane Rehms show before the invasion.
Madeline Albright, Former President Jimmy Carter, CIA analyst, Un weapons inspector Scott Ritter, UN KOfi Anan, Un weaons inspector Hans Blix, Zbigniew Brzenski, General Zinni and so many more warned against the invasion and questioned the validity of the intelligence. Although if you turned on MSNBC, CNN, ABC etc…all you heard were the Liars in the Bush administration repeating their WMD scripts. Our reps should have really known better… when so many experts were questioning the lies about WMD’s being spewed.
Unless they were receiving more false intelligence than we were privy to
Anyone get the feeling that Cheney and Libby leaked the NSA intercept to the press, then used that as an excuse to clam up on giving anymore classified information to that leaky seive of a congress? Afterall, that NSA leak was only embarrassing, not damaging to national security.
Who was the reporter that leaked that story first? Was he a traditional water carrier, or conservative maybe?
Scarecrow @ 11
I am not afraid of you… but I’ll be relocating to a more secret location nonetheless.
Peterr @ 79
Y’know, somethig I’ve never understood. Why is the media so locked into the idea that they can only report Friday’s news on Saturday?!?!? Why can’t they spend Saturday looking it over, checking it with sources, y’know investigating, one of those things they’re supposed to be doing anyway?!?! That way, they can present a real feature piece on Sunday, when newspaper-readers have more time to focus on it. If very few people were aware of the news printed on Saturday (A low-readership day), what would the paper lose by holding the news for a day?
Katie Jensen @ 76
My understanding is the full classified version of the NIE was made available to all senators before the Oct 2002 vote, albeit in a secure room with a certain amount of inconvenience. Most passed that opportunity, yet one staffer on the Intel committee read the report and signalled alarm bells, since it contradicted everything the administration was claiming, but was told “that train has left the station”.
IMO Kerry and Hillary are using that as an excuse to hide behind their vote, when they are guilty of lack of due diligence. They did not have to divulge the contents of the NIE but only claim it contradicted the adminstration line and voted against the resolution for that reason. Instead they wanted it both ways.
ccmask at 9
Good catch! I remember that also, from current administration. Talk of a whole shadow gov’t. Then they suddenly shut up about it, and shooter got busy digging his bunker under the veep mansion(?) I’m serious! Weren’t there published stories about neighbors complaining about the construction noise?! I don’t think I dreamed all that…..
The majority of Congress and of the public were suckered into favoring the invasion for one reason or another. Now we have the tragic consequences which cannot be denied and still the horror goes on for one reason or another.
Christy,
I missed you on AAR (my mother-in-law got up with our version of the “peanut,” so I got to sleep in!). I wish your clip was post-able. Oh well.
I have a question that went unanswered in another thread: In closing arguments, can Fitz bring up the fact that the defense promised certain witnesses that they never called? I understand that he can’t imply that Libby not testifying implies his guilt, but could he say something along the lines of “The defense told us that we would hear from VP Cheney and the defendant himself.” If he could, would he want to?
Thanks to you and the entire FDL team. I’ve been completely addicted to your coverage. It’s made being temporarily unemployed wonderful!
Peterr @ 79
I was wondering that too, Peterr. There’s so much trash with this Administration, they may need a week with two Fridays!
FWIW, having a child myself, posting anyone’s address and phone number so that idiots can harrass them is uncalled for — whether or not that person has done the same to someone else. If I found out that someone was doing that to me, I would have a fit — as in a call the local police and the FBI about stalking my family fit. Malkin is no clean hands victim in this regard — having outed any number of people for harassment from her minions — but her children do not deserve to have to deal with a bunch of crap, period. I wish we could all get to a point where the ideas are discussed — but the personal vendettas have no place, at all.
Let’s all remember that Bill Maher was cashiered from ABC not long after 9/11 for challenging the coward theory of the terrorists.
I recall Laura Ingraham referring to the Blixie Chicks…because they insulted Dear Leader and because Blix was an untrustworthy European who “hated America” and was duped by Saddam into saying there were no active programs.
There were anthrax attacks on media figures and Democrats.
There were random snipings in DC.
Phil Donahue was dropped from MSNBC despite the highest ratings.
The insipid pro-war rallies attended by Al Franken, sponsored by Clear Channel who was boycotting the Dixie Chicks.
The nation was consumed in hysteria and the media was raking in the cash and loving every General and country singer that came on their airwaves to promote the war.
Freedom toast and freedom fries.
It was a mediated and rolling months long cheerleading rally.
Not our finest hour.
-GSD
Yep.
GSD @ 90
Josef Goebbels would be so proud of us.
Cheney’s in love with power, pure power. It has nothing to do with America, democracy or freedom-loving peoples.
He’s fallen in love with power.
I heard John Dean speak at an ACLU Townhall last year and he was very informative and has a very caustic opinion of Cheney.
He said that everything goes through the OVP. Only items that he deems gets to the Prez.(When Bush states he doesn’t know something, it just might be true) That the OVP had their own security council which was better staffed, more secret and more powerful than what the Prez had in Condi et al.
Dean was very clear, Cheney is the power in this administration and that his genius is allowing Bush to wake up every morning still thinking he is the Prez. (and the rest of the country too)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 89
Amen. This kind of destructive behavior is uncalled for, unnecesary, and not conducive to engaging intelligent debate to make progress.
Fresh thread, kids. Just FYI…
lina @ 91
steve clemens has a good bit (quoting tomasky)on senator clinton’s foreign policy position.
Sally @ 86
If they can be that easily suckered they should resign. The reasons didn’t hold up then, and the ‘we didn’t know’ doesn’t hold up now.
The evidence available to ordinarily informed people at the time was enough to show that the War was unnecessary and illegal and that the reasons given by the admin were totally bogus. If Sen Graham voted against it because secret info showed that even more clearly that’s fine, but Al Baradei, Han Blix, Juan Cole et al were screaming their heads off to anyone who would listen and all of this was publicly available. Furthermore, it was obvious that diplomatic means had not been exhausted, or even pursued in good faith. The UN refused to sanction the invasion, that makes it a illegal war of aggression right there.
So, why did they vote for the war *really*? Inquiring minds and all that.
Pectopah @ 81
That’s my sense too. I think Waas is bringing this story up to suggest that this is a)exactly what happened and b)it’s a pattern with the OVP of selective leaks to silence critics. I think Eckenrode knows that too, which is why when he had chance #2 with the Plame investigation he went whole hog on it.
In any case, Waas even mentions that Porter Goss thought the executive branch (OVP?) was behind the leak with the idea to shut down the 9/11 investigation.
lina @ 91
Has any of the people (Hillary, for instance) who were for the war before they were against it said they voted that way because that was what their constituents wanted?
Katie Jensen @ 58
Wass tells us that Cheney’s threats to kneecap Congress boomerang-ed on OVP and exposed the leak of a CIA agent’s identity by OVP.
There is another unexplaned episode in the history of the 9/11 attacks and that is the
ANTHRAX attacks on non-compliant Democratic lawmakers. It is a hanging chad, a big red flag, an intelligence matter, and an FBI investigation than remains unresolved in the history of America’s War on Terror.
If I were looking for an achilles heal for this corrupt and criminal administration, I would look very hard at the Anthrax attack, and the subsequent investigation to see where it stands and who might be trying to influence it. It goes to motive. What’s the source of the toxin? Who had access? Who was attacked? Cui Bono?
HotFlash @ 100
Perhaps that is why they decided not to read the full NIE. Of course their constituents would have felt differently if they had brought them the truth.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 89
I agree. I was pointing out the disparity bewtween Malkin’s statement “I am not afraid of you” and her decision to relocate her home. They seem to be in conflict. Actions speak louder than words.
I do have a personal reaction to the invective I hear from the likes of Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, Hewitt, O’Reilly, and others…such as congressmen who argue that war debate is treason and those who debate against the war are treasonous because they aid the enemy and hurt troop moral. Let’s face it, the corruption of democary itself starts at the top. These statements hold only the power that the American people grant them.
In our media landscape, the issue is at issue, and the debaters are at issue too. We are frustrated that debate, as a means to a healthy democracy, is undermined and corrupted. Take the last election and the number one reason sighted by the american people for their votes. Now, track the actions of the president (surge), the Senate (procedural deadlock) and the House (here it is Februray and we have yet to have a vote on the escalation).
It just might be the democracy cannot thrive in an environment of meanspirited barenuckle political discourse, leaks, counter leaks, intimidation and amplification of the voices from the extreme. Huh? Dunno.
:-)
Neil @ 101
Wink, wink; nudge, nudge
I didn’t say it was a good excuse, but it seems like it might fly (blame the victim and all that) and I don’t think I’ve heard it from anyone yet.
[Mod Note; Please don’t nest more than 2 or 3 quotes. Thanks.]
OleHippieChick @ 104
And there’s more here, could be tin foil hat country but I don’t think so. Most is either already public knowledge or checkable.
katymine @ 94
John Dean’s three articles about the possibility of the IMPEACHMENT of lower level officials in the Bush administration are at John Dean Findlaw.com. They are worth reading.
If these lower level officials (Feith, Perle, Wurmser etc) who helped lie the nation into a war of choice are not held accountble, they just slip into one of the administrations down the line to complete the regime change agenda in the middle east. This is not the first time they have been part of pushing the regime change agenda or “wars of choice”
kathleen @ 107
I suggest that everyone at the bottom of this article be impeached. It’s the Project for a New American Century’s letter to Bill Clinton in Jan 98
Just a quick thought (cause I gotta go!): Any chance that Joe Wilson is actually the ’shiny object’ in this whole Valerie Plame issue?
CW wisdom says that Cheney was out to get Wilson. But consider that Joe is only the shiny object meant to distract from the real goal here — to shut down Valerie Plame’s ME intelligence operation.
Her WMD intelligence operation, I strongly suspect, was producing evidence which directly contradicted the “evidence” that Cheney was cooking up to justify war in Iraq and Iran. I’d be willing to bet a few $$$$ that Valerie knew Chalabi was completely full of shit, and Valerie may have even known that Curveball for completely full of shit. That would not be good information to have come out into the public arena from Cheney’s perspective.
Cheney recognized her work as a direct threat to his plan to the the War On Terror to justify Iraq and Iran wars. So Cheney REALLY wanted to out Plame and her intelligence operation in order to shut down any criticism of his ME war plans.
When Joe Wilson popped up in the NYT, whack-a-mole style, Cheney may have been smart/evil enough to use Joe to expose & shut down his wife’s intelligence ops.
Truly, Valerie was far more of a threat to the neocon agenda than Joe was.
The following are responses to several separate issues discussed above:
Despite arguments to the contrary, it seems utterly clear to me that the Senators voted FOR the AUMF because they felt that politically it would be suicide to vote against it and be called traitors, cowards and unpatriotic. All this hand-waving about whether they knew this or that about the evidence completely ignores the basic fact that they are all politicians beholden to the public for their paychecks. Self-interest all the way! That’s why they simply didn’t read the intelligence portfolio or NIE. They didn’t want to know the truth and let that get in the way of their political expediency.
In the 1990s there was a call for military funding to enable us to fight two wars. Well, in 2003 we entered into two wars. Coincidence? I think not. In 2006 Hillary called for a build-up of the military. My question is, to use it for what? Answer that Hillary and we’ll debate it. Until then I won’t pay you any attention at all.
Did Condi warn Willie. Despite the obvios similarity in color and state residence (Condi worked at Stanford, near San Francisco, where Wilie Brown was mayor). I can’t imagine it. More likely he heard about the attacks that morning while he was in the airport, waiting for his flight.
I ask those who say all evidence of the Plame outing points to Cheney if there’s any reason to believe it ends there and that Cheney wasn’t merely the tool of Bush in the same way the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) was used to propel the propaganda about why we should invade? I see a tighter-knit propaganda/political machine in the White House and I can’t believe this whole outing occurred without Dubya even being told.
Liberal press? I haven’t seen one — EVER.
HotFlash @ 108
That’s a start!
Scarecrow @
71
Aw Heck. I’ll give him a pass. I love all of em! FDL owns that trial coverage! Bravo Everyone!!! ;->
in trubble w/ RBG too huh? Swopa, I give up. You have a very graceful hand…
Good thing Judy Miller and other unbiased and honest MSM reporters were not protected by Shield Laws.
Put the chill factor on the journalist and Newspapers who have demonstrated that they are less than credible. Please do not give them more laws to hide their dishonesty and manipulation of information!
“The absence of federal legislation protecting sources has created extraordinary chaos,” Norman Pearlstine, Time Inc.’s editor in chief, told the committee. “The federal courts are in a state of utter disarray about whether a reporter’s privilege protecting confidential sources exists.”
Pearlstine turned over the confidential notes of Time reporter Matthew Cooper in the Plame investigation after losing a legal battle. Cooper testified under a last-minute waiver of confidentiality from Karl Rove, White House deputy chief of staff.
“The rules of the road are, to put it mildly, quite confusing for a working journalist such as myself in the absence of any clear federal standard,” said Cooper, Time’s White House correspondent. “Everyone, prosecutors and journalists alike, would benefit from knowing what the rules are.”
Pearlstine said the pursuit of reporters’ notes by federal investigators has had a “chilling effect” on journalism and that after his decision in the Plame case, other Time correspondents received e-mails from sources saying they no longer trust the magazine.
HotFlash @106 says:
Not tin foil – as you say, most is public knowledge! This was riveting at the time b/c I had lived in S. FL, was a graphic artist, and had worked for the Enquirer at one point when Generoso Pope (The Pope) owned it. Was he ever the tyrant!
From HotFlash’s link [thanks!!]:
Pretty convenient (for Rudy).
But that building laid vacant for years; I think Rudy Co. just recently took occupancy. I’d kill to know what page one was that week for the Enquirer when they were shut down!
The New Yorker “Real Insiders” by Jeffrey Goldberg
The Aipac/Rosen case
“Rosen jokes about “not getting in trouble” over the information. He also notes, “At least we have no Official Secrets Act”—the British law that makes journalists liable to prosecution if they publish classified material.
Prosecutors argued to Lewin that this statement proved that Rosen and Weissman were aware that the information Franklin had given them was classified, and that Rosen must therefore have known that he was passing classified information to Gilon, a foreign official. Lewin, who declined to comment on the case, recommended that aipac fire Rosen and Weissman.”
Aipac does not care how many hoops Hamas and Fatah jump through…they plan to continue to strangle them.
This is at Democracy Now
US to Continue Palestinian Aid Freeze
The unity deal was aimed to end months of factional violence and a year-long international aid freeze that has further crippled the Palestinian economy. Hamas has made a vague pledge to respect previous peace accords with Israel but the Bush administration is already indicating that won’t be enough. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz is reporting US officials have told Palestinian officials the US will continue to boycott their new government. In an interview with the Washington Post, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice said the US would not waver from demands that Palestinians renounce violence and recognize Israel’s right to exist. Palestinians have argued the conditions are unfair because Israel refuses to renounce violence against them nor recognize their right to a state in all of the West Bank and Gaza.
Pectopah @
81
Hmmm!
I wonder what would have happened if Judy Miller had offered up Valerie Plame’s identity as coming from “a former Congressional staffer”! Remember that was precisely what Scooter asked her to do.
AND he would have known that at least some documents regarding the Wilson trip had been passed on to the Congressional Committees.
The CIA would have sent the DOJ investigators off on a wild-goose chase looking at folks in the SSIC and House Intewlligence Committees…while ignoring the real leakers.
I wonder if he had a particularly nettlesome former staffer in mind that he thought the FBI would think was the source???
Katie Jenson@20
Katie
I am not trying to be a smart ass by saying that I knew there were no wmd’s in Iraq before the war started by listening to the weapons inspectors, Scott Ritter, and others, so I find it disingenuous of anyone on the hill who says, “if we had only known”, it is total bullshit and I personally hold all accountable who voted for this war.
Following up Old Hippie Chick at 116, this from Nancy Jo Sales article on the National Enquirer anthrax attack really caught my eye.
Maybe it’ll show up in the Bush Liberry?
OT – Does anyone know what happened to William Luti from OSP? I always thought that he was one of those responsible for so much misinformation. I haven’t seen his name in a long long time.
Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman is pushing Shield Laws for journalist. This is the first time I have ever completely disagreed with Amy Goodman.
Crime in Italy….Jesus Mary and Joseph…Oy vey ….. Amy we do not need to give questionable reporting any more protecting than it all ready has.
Scarecrow @
5
Cheney was convinced that the entire U.S. gov was the target of a second wave…he and his cohort firmly believed this for some few months. No doubt they were examining the question of handling a hit on the House and/or Senate.
What’s wrong with the goddamned democrats?
They have an obligation to Americans and America.
What they should do is impeach every single last one of these criminal fuckers, (including every crooked bribe-client of Abramhoff’s and the guilty in their own party).
Defund every war, tax-cut and GOP initiative on their agenda.
Sobpena and grill every goddamned administration, GOP, Pentagon, Congressional official, present, resigned, indicted, disgraced, all of them, including Bush and Cheney; every day for the next two years.
And let the chips fall where they may politically.
Their obligation is to the American people not to their own re-election in 2008.
Let the American people decide if in 2008 they want to elect a bunch of exposed arrogant above-the-law criminal fuckers or the party that pursued, exposed brought them to justice.
On Cheney.
9/11 just served as an excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq for oil, gas for the American Corporate cartel.
White House GOP & Co. Inc. were planning such incursions long before 9/11.
All this chatter about terrorism, security blah blah blah is so much bullshit.
Just look at Iraq. The White House/GOP war motive went from
WMDs to
Yellowcake to
9/11 conspiracy to
regime change to
democracy…
obviously none of them were true.
The Bush/GOP has never been interested in democracy, even in America, much less Iraq.
This barely veiled threat is why Congress has voted so often for bush incl. torture boy gonzales, alito, roberts, giving control of our National Guard to bush and taking it away from Governors and the treasonous Military Commissions act.
Maybe now Congress has adequate protection. Does anyone know what secret service type protection Congress has or does not have? On her site, Cynthia McKinney wrote that when she came back from helping out in New Orleans, her house was “toilet papered” but with videotape. She did not say what was on the videotape but stated that it was an attempt to silence her.
She did a very courageous questioning of Rumsfeld on the missing $2 Trillion and the human trafficking of DynCorp and why the Pentagon is still awarding them contracts and Gen. Myers on 911 lies.