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		<title>By: WMD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503889</link>
		<dc:creator>WMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Worries me that someone like Libby who is supposed to have such a bad memory was in a high position in this administration!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503732</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503629&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ifthethunderdontgetya @ 150&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503564&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 102 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lucy Dalglish, Executive Director, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press , &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/12/DI2007021200815.html&quot;&gt;chatting now&lt;/a&gt; at WaPo on “The Libby Trial’s Implications for the Media.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She took my question (Columbus, Ohio).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lucy’s sticking with “not a crime” although not providing cites for her conclusion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-503564"><em>TeddySanFran @ 102 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Lucy Dalglish, Executive Director, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press , <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/12/DI2007021200815.html">chatting now</a> at WaPo on “The Libby Trial’s Implications for the Media.”</p>
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<p>She took my question (Columbus, Ohio).</p>
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<p>Lucy’s sticking with “not a crime” although not providing cites for her conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503704</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503605&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cbl @ 138&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;from Phoenix Woman - caught over at Gilliard’s&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/02/they-expect-you-to-believe-this.html&quot;&gt;http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.....-this.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
in Iran virtually all numbers were in the Farsi-Arabic script. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Key thing showing this isn’t an Iranian shell: The lettering was done by Westerners.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The mortar shell was likely pulled from a Brit stockpile near Basra and ‘found’ miraculously.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More inconsistencies:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0213-29.htm&quot;&gt;Michael Winship&lt;/a&gt; raises another trenchant question - why are Iranians “date stamping” their munitions not using Iranian/regional time/date formats, but instead using American time/date formats?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;([re] Sunday’s bizarre press conference in Baghdad’s Green Zone. Bizarre because reporters’ cellphones were seized, no one was allowed to shoot photos or video and the briefers insisted on anonymity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our military presented alleged evidence of Iran’s ties to Shiite militias in Iraq — in the form of rocket-propelled grenades (RPG’s), mortar shells and especially vicious devices that tear through armor called EFP’s — explosively formed penetrators. All are said to be of Iranian manufacture, purportedly brought into Iraq by the Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m just wondering, by the way, not judging: According to the New York Times, “The shells had serial numbers in English in order to comply with international standards for arms, the officials said. One grenade, for instance, was marked with the serial number P.G.7-AT-1 followed by LOT:5-31-2006.” Numbering month-day-year is an American standard. Virtually every other country, including English-speaking ones, uses day-month-year: 31-05-2006. I asked two, Mideast native speakers if the day-month-year standard was also true in Iran’s Farsi language and Arabic. They answered yes.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m guessing that - in accordance with regional values of hospitality - the Iranians anticipated their munitions would have center stage at US military &lt;strike&gt;propaganda&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strike&gt;psychological warfare&lt;/strike&gt; press conferences.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Iranians, all too painfully aware of Americans’ lack of linguistic and cultural competence, thoughtfully chose to produce their own munitions with US date stamps to make things easier for America’s beleaguered &lt;strike&gt;propagandists&lt;/strike&gt; military press officers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So the real question - where’s the mole?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How did the Iranians know - years before the event - that the US would hold last Sunday’s presser?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps they read about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident&quot;&gt;Gleiwitz incident&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On the night of August 31, 1939 a small group of German operatives led by Naujocks seized the Gleiwitz station and broadcast a message in Polish that urged the Poles living in Silesia to strike against Germans. The Germans’ goal was to make the attack and the broadcast look like the work of anti-German Polish saboteurs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In order to make the attack scene more convincing, the Germans brought in Franciszek Honiok, a German Silesian known for sympathizing with the Poles, who had been arrested the previous day by the Gestapo. Honiok was dressed to look like a saboteur; then killed by lethal injection, given gunshot wounds, and left dead at the scene, so that he appeared to have been killed while attacking the station. His corpse was subsequently presented as proof of the attack to the police and press.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[snip]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the same time as the Gleiwitz attack there were other incidents orchestrated by Germany along the Polish-German border, such as house torching in the Polish Corridor and spurious propaganda output. &lt;b&gt;The entire project, dubbed Operation Himmler and comprising 21 incidents in all, was intended to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;The Gleiwitz incident: pretext for the last* World War.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(*until the next one)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gee - how could the Iranians possibly have anticipated Operation Cheney?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gotta find the mole.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-503605"><em>cbl @ 138</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>from Phoenix Woman &#8211; caught over at Gilliard’s</p>
<p><a href="http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/02/they-expect-you-to-believe-this.html">http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot&#8230;..-this.html</a></p>
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in Iran virtually all numbers were in the Farsi-Arabic script. </p>
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<p>Key thing showing this isn’t an Iranian shell: The lettering was done by Westerners.</p>
<p>The mortar shell was likely pulled from a Brit stockpile near Basra and ‘found’ miraculously.</p>
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<p>More inconsistencies:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0213-29.htm">Michael Winship</a> raises another trenchant question &#8211; why are Iranians “date stamping” their munitions not using Iranian/regional time/date formats, but instead using American time/date formats?</p>
<blockquote><p>([re] Sunday’s bizarre press conference in Baghdad’s Green Zone. Bizarre because reporters’ cellphones were seized, no one was allowed to shoot photos or video and the briefers insisted on anonymity.</p>
<p>Our military presented alleged evidence of Iran’s ties to Shiite militias in Iraq — in the form of rocket-propelled grenades (RPG’s), mortar shells and especially vicious devices that tear through armor called EFP’s — explosively formed penetrators. All are said to be of Iranian manufacture, purportedly brought into Iraq by the Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. </p>
<p>I’m just wondering, by the way, not judging: According to the New York Times, “The shells had serial numbers in English in order to comply with international standards for arms, the officials said. One grenade, for instance, was marked with the serial number P.G.7-AT-1 followed by LOT:5-31-2006.” Numbering month-day-year is an American standard. Virtually every other country, including English-speaking ones, uses day-month-year: 31-05-2006. I asked two, Mideast native speakers if the day-month-year standard was also true in Iran’s Farsi language and Arabic. They answered yes.)</p>
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<p>I’m guessing that &#8211; in accordance with regional values of hospitality &#8211; the Iranians anticipated their munitions would have center stage at US military <strike>propaganda</strike> <strike>psychological warfare</strike> press conferences.</p>
<p>The Iranians, all too painfully aware of Americans’ lack of linguistic and cultural competence, thoughtfully chose to produce their own munitions with US date stamps to make things easier for America’s beleaguered <strike>propagandists</strike> military press officers.</p>
<p>So the real question &#8211; where’s the mole?</p>
<p>How did the Iranians know &#8211; years before the event &#8211; that the US would hold last Sunday’s presser?</p>
<p>Perhaps they read about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident">Gleiwitz incident</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>On the night of August 31, 1939 a small group of German operatives led by Naujocks seized the Gleiwitz station and broadcast a message in Polish that urged the Poles living in Silesia to strike against Germans. The Germans’ goal was to make the attack and the broadcast look like the work of anti-German Polish saboteurs.</p>
<p>In order to make the attack scene more convincing, the Germans brought in Franciszek Honiok, a German Silesian known for sympathizing with the Poles, who had been arrested the previous day by the Gestapo. Honiok was dressed to look like a saboteur; then killed by lethal injection, given gunshot wounds, and left dead at the scene, so that he appeared to have been killed while attacking the station. His corpse was subsequently presented as proof of the attack to the police and press.</p>
<p>[snip]</p>
<p>At the same time as the Gleiwitz attack there were other incidents orchestrated by Germany along the Polish-German border, such as house torching in the Polish Corridor and spurious propaganda output. <b>The entire project, dubbed Operation Himmler and comprising 21 incidents in all, was intended to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany</b>.</p>
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<p>The Gleiwitz incident: pretext for the last* World War.</p>
<p>(*until the next one)</p>
<p>Gee &#8211; how could the Iranians possibly have anticipated Operation Cheney?</p>
<p>Gotta find the mole.</p>
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		<title>By: the anti-thesis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503659</link>
		<dc:creator>the anti-thesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503628&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cbl @ 149&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;anti thesis - just finished skimming the article myself - plenty of updated links towards end of post - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and yes, my machinist of 30   years husband wants to see the tail fin pics too&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Ledeen”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m an artist and never made the connection re: futurism and facism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am learning something everyday from FDL, thank you!&lt;br /&gt;
I just wish I didn’t have that yucky feeling every time I make a discovery like that…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-503628"><em>cbl @ 149</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>anti thesis &#8211; just finished skimming the article myself &#8211; plenty of updated links towards end of post &#8211; </p>
<p>and yes, my machinist of 30   years husband wants to see the tail fin pics too</p>
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<p>“Ledeen”</p>
<p>I’m an artist and never made the connection re: futurism and facism.</p>
<p>I am learning something everyday from FDL, thank you!<br />
I just wish I didn’t have that yucky feeling every time I make a discovery like that…</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503645</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503633&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Terre @ 151&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;MSNBC Breaking News:  Cheney will NOT testify.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;per Joe Scarborough just now&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure when he said he would testify he realized he was going to be implicated before he took the stand&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that said, I thought mentioning him was nothing but a shiney object, forcing fitz to prepare and waste as much of the prosecution’s resources as possible&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;still, I would have liked to see fitz subpeona the vp himself&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suppose fitz knew there would be a court challenge to his subpeona and wanted the trial to move forward.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-503633"><em>Terre @ 151</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>MSNBC Breaking News:  Cheney will NOT testify.</p>
<p>per Joe Scarborough just now</p>
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<p>I’m not sure when he said he would testify he realized he was going to be implicated before he took the stand</p>
<p>that said, I thought mentioning him was nothing but a shiney object, forcing fitz to prepare and waste as much of the prosecution’s resources as possible</p>
<p>still, I would have liked to see fitz subpeona the vp himself</p>
<p>I suppose fitz knew there would be a court challenge to his subpeona and wanted the trial to move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: the anti-thesis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503644</link>
		<dc:creator>the anti-thesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503460&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @&lt;br /&gt;
                24              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Diminutive, bald, warmongering Australian PM, John “Ratty” Howard invokes the name of what morally bankrupt former Democrat to bolster his outlandish allegations against Barack Obama and Democrats in general?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you guessed Sleazy Joe Lieberman give yourself a hand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/13/12396/9434&quot;&gt;Joe Lieberman, he’s got the word LIE right in his name.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sent my [cough] senator, LIEberman,  a second letter yesterday, about his little problem with his mouth, and  mentioned he’s seen as an ignorant and arrogant tool for this administration.&lt;br /&gt;
can’t wait to hear back from him…doubt I ever will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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                24              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Diminutive, bald, warmongering Australian PM, John “Ratty” Howard invokes the name of what morally bankrupt former Democrat to bolster his outlandish allegations against Barack Obama and Democrats in general?</p>
<p>If you guessed Sleazy Joe Lieberman give yourself a hand.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/13/12396/9434">Joe Lieberman, he’s got the word LIE right in his name.</a></p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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<p>Sent my [cough] senator, LIEberman,  a second letter yesterday, about his little problem with his mouth, and  mentioned he’s seen as an ignorant and arrogant tool for this administration.<br />
can’t wait to hear back from him…doubt I ever will.</p>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503637</link>
		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/libby-live-tedious-legal-arguments/&quot;&gt;More live blog&lt;/a&gt; upstairs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/libby-live-tedious-legal-arguments/">More live blog</a> upstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Terre</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503633</link>
		<dc:creator>Terre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MSNBC Breaking News:  Cheney will NOT testify.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;per Joe Scarborough just now&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>per Joe Scarborough just now</p>
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		<title>By: ifthethunderdontgetya</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503629</link>
		<dc:creator>ifthethunderdontgetya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503564&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 102 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lucy Dalglish, Executive Director, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press , &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/12/DI2007021200815.html&quot;&gt;chatting now&lt;/a&gt; at WaPo on “The Libby Trial’s Implications for the Media.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She took my question (Columbus, Ohio).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-503564"><em>TeddySanFran @ 102 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Lucy Dalglish, Executive Director, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press , <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/12/DI2007021200815.html">chatting now</a> at WaPo on “The Libby Trial’s Implications for the Media.”</p>
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<p>She took my question (Columbus, Ohio).</p>
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		<title>By: cbl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/13/nibbles/#comment-503628</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;anti thesis - just finished skimming the article myself - plenty of updated links towards end of post - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and yes, my machinist of 30   years husband wants to see the tail fin pics too&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anti thesis &#8211; just finished skimming the article myself &#8211; plenty of updated links towards end of post &#8211; </p>
<p>and yes, my machinist of 30   years husband wants to see the tail fin pics too</p>
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