The fact that her status remains murky is proof that her status was noc.

The fact that the CIA made a referal to the Justice Department for investigation of a violation of IIPA is proof that her status was classified.

You just don’t need any more than that.

In addition, if Plame was simply working as an unclassified analyst or secretarial role anyone (including the National Review or Washington Times) could request from the CIA to learn what she did and that information would be made available.

It wouldn’t be CLASSIFIED…it would be PUBLIC INFORMATION.

But they can’t get it. The LIBBY DEFENSE can’t get it. The National Republican Committee can’t get it. Rush Limbaugh can’t get it. Bill O’Reilly can’t get it. And the White House can’t get it unless they ask the President to DECLASSIFY IT through the proper procedures which would likely expose covert agents! That of course, would not only PROVE that she was in a highly classified position, but also prove that exposing her role would endanger covert agents, sources and operations.

So anyone who says that Plame’s job in the CIA was not covert should show us her CV that they obtained from the CIA’s Office of Public Relations!

chaboard at 9 — No, but it does make it much more likely. All the covert ops end of things is CPD, is my understanding — but not everything CPD is covert, but is generally on the top secret end of the clearance line as much as possible, givne the potential for exposure of covert agents, assets and methods should something be inadvertantly disclosed.

I would also note that “covert” under the Intelligence Agents Protection Act stipulates that an agent have served abroad within the past five years (that “service” could be as little as one day…and be something that would contribute to the ‘cover’).

But there are other officers that might fall outside that “covert” status whose identities might remain Top Secret and highly classified. That’s simply because they run covert operations and agents stateside. They may be linked to covert operations or agents and the disclosure of their CIA association could easily lead to the subsequent exposure of those agents and operations.

So even if an officer in was not covert their identity is still classified.

I personally feel that Plame fell under the “covert” status given the fact that the CIA sent a report to the Department of Justice calling for an investigation of a violation of the Intelligence Agents Identity Protection Act. Presumably the CIA’s and DOJ’ds lawyers established the basics onb this issue. One of Fitz’s charges was to look into whether evidence supported charges under that act.

If Plame was NOT definitionally covert…Fitz would not have been investigating whether INDIVIDUALS acted to violate that statute.

Did anyone read the NYT article yesterday where it said Novak was trying to contact Armitage for years over the Wilson story?
I’ve never seen such poor editing by the NYT, to allow such a mistake to run on their front page, when testimony by Novak clearly stated
he’d simply been trying to interview Armitage.

The NYT is a LOUSEY EXCUSE FOR A NEWSPAPER!

Everyone should know that by now.

No Mitchell no peace.

I suppose I should be an adult and just add her name to the long list of fantasy witnesses we won’t see.

Oh, well – Imus said this morning that he thinks Gregory and Mitchell are not being forthright with him, and that he think Russert had early knowledge about Plame.

Can the defense appeal under the Rules of Imus?

PS: My real “hope alive” is that when they talk about excluding “the statement” they mean the Oct 2 2003 statement, not her appearance. I expect I will be crestfallen soon enough.

The fact that her status remains murky is proof that her status was noc.

The fact that the CIA made a referal to the Justice Department for investigation of a violation of IIPA is proof that her status was classified.

You just don’t need any more than that.

the fact that the investigator said it, you don’t need more then that, the fact that brewster jenningns and associates had to close shop, you dont need more then that

that anyone thinks they want to argue the point is bizzarre

if the puppetteers told the neo fascists water was dry, they would swear that water is dry

If she was truly covert, the gov’t certainly does not want information out to the public about it. If she was not covert…we would know it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don’t understand why folks don’t understand this.

My husband had a security clearance for years…when it comes to undercover agents, they would prefer we not know they even exist. Much less let information to the public about how the whole covert system works.

The fact that her status remains murky is proof that her status was noc. Period. The government cannot tell us too much about her status or position and would rather not go into it. They protect this information at the highest level. If she was not covert, we would have been looking at the proof of this long ago.

It’s a perfect spin for righties to insist that because they aren’t saying she is…she wasn’t. How perfect is that. The gov’t can’t respond because of security issues…its a spin and anyone who knows about how top secret information at that level is handled knows this. Those who know better use the silence as proof of their position. There would be no investigation if, in fact, she had not been a Noc agent…having contacts in the field. Period. Whether or not she was in transition does not speak to damages or potential damages.

Anyone who knew her while she was undercover could be in jeapardy from her outting. If there were damages, we likely will not hear a complete telling of them. The gov’t does not like to talk about it’s “spy” program and there is nothing that they protect (at least in most administrations) vehemently.

it’s a mute discussion, the prosecutor has said she was covert, that makes it so.

it has nothing to do with THIS case, but there is no doubt Valry was noc

in addition, Brewster Jennings and associates had to close shop because if this breach of our national security

the fact that neo fascists are still challenging this patriots status is mind boggling…but they burry their heads in the mud whenever their puppeteers tell them to do so

So glad to see your rant, and especially your plans to be a “broken record”. Seems to me a bunch of us could join in, in a less knowledgeable, but nevertheless fairly effective ways, simply prodding and asking the right questions. So-as to make it clear to the powers that be that this issue is NOT going to be ignored, and just fade away, the way the admin. wants it to… Thanks for your very help comments.

I can only imagine how the crowd in the gallery laughed at the “tuning out” comment. I’m curious if the jury heard this as well, and if there was any visible reaction on their part.