
Why anyone takes that steaming turd of a man Bill Donohue seriously is beyond me. But like all Right Wing extremists, it seems all he has to do to get on TV is show up at the studio and it's lights, camera, action, and the paleo-pundits of the traditional media just sit by and chuckle benignly while Donohue spews his hateful bilge about Jews, gays, women, movies he's never seen, music he's never heard, and the perils of liberal bloggers, who are one of the greatest threats to our society, yes! Right behind Lipton Onion Dip:
Prior to Bill Donohue leading his Republican smear campaign against John Edwards, the President of the Catholic League was most famous for accusing the Lipton corporation of perpetrating an anti-Catholic "atrocity" in the form of–an onion dip commercial.
For those who missed it, Lipton ran a print ad in the June 13, 2001 edition of The New York Press featuring a person holding a bowl of onion dip while waiting in line to take communion–the implication being that this person planned to dip the Eucharist in the onion dip.
Reasonable humor? Clever Madison Avenue marketing? Not according to Bill Donohue. In his eyes, the onion dip ad was an anti-Catholic "atrocity."
In a sternly worded press release, Donohue claimed that the ad offended "the [central Catholic] belief that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Jesus Christ," and then referred to Lipton's parent company Unilever as a "monster," adding that "For the elites at Unilever to allow their ad department at Lipton to insult Catholics like this is the height of corporate arrogance. And stupidity."
Donohue later claimed that the onion dip ad was one of the "Ten Worst Anti-Catholic Atrocities of 2001."
That's not a joke, gang. The only thing more dangerous to our society that the netroots is a mixture of sour cream and onion soup mix. Damn. Who knew?
Okay, actually, I sort of knew, because each time I eat onion dip, I feel a sudden urge to rush out and desecrate something Catholic, anything. The last time it happened, I had to settle for tearing up photos of Mel Gibson, but next time, if I'm anywhere near a Catholic church or cemetery, watch out!
When are the chucklefucks who book this bigoted blowhard on national television going to get a goddamn clue that he's an American mullah, what with his rank religious extremism and hatred of women? Fran Kissling of Catholics for a Free Choice has Donohue's number. She's been pushing back against his home-grown fatwahs for years:
There is something about this man and his attacks on women that is frightening. There was a while when I refused to go on air with him [for television appearances] because — you know I am a very strong person — but I felt physically threatened by this man. He never physically threatened me, but I felt like I was in the presence of an abuser. So for a long time I just refused because it was too degrading to be in his presence. I got over it eventually and have done a few things with him since. I understand that he is so offensive that he does himself damage; as long as I can maintain my equilibrium with him attacking me in the most vicious ways possible — that only does me credit and makes him look like the abuser that he is. But the glee with which he went after Vanderslice and the glee with which he has gone after these women marks him as an abuser.
Today brings us the news that both bloggers hired by the Edwards campaign have resigned, not because of their consideration for the campaign, but out of concern for their personal safety since Donowhore called out his and Michelle MalKKKin's flying monkeys. Jesus' General points us to a collection of death threats (and worse) that Amanda Marcotte has been getting from some Good American Christians who love Our Lord enough to threaten rape and murder in His Holy Name.
To wit:
Problem with women like you, you just need a good fucking from a real man! Living in Texas myself, I know you haven't found that real Texan yet. But once your liberal pro feminist ass gets a real good fucking, you might see the light. Until then, enjoy your battery operated toys b/c most real men wouldn't want to give you the fucking you deserve b/c the shit that would come out of you ears.
And even more charmingly:
YOU RACIST WHORE. FAT UGLY BITCH. SUCK MY LONG COCK ASSHOLE I HOPE YOU KIDS NEVER LIVE AND YOUR PARENTS DIE A TRAGIC DEATH YOU ASSHOLE BITCH!
I HOPE YOUR WOMB IS BARREN AND YOUR CAREER PLUMMETS TO HELL YOU BITCH
It appears that punctuation and grammar are Not Family Values anymore. (If they ever were.)
So, the message here is apparently that being a net activist is fine as long as you don't mind getting your life (and the lives of those you love) threatened by a passel of Psychotic Christianist Jihadi. It's okay if you don't mind going into hiding like Salman Rushdie, but otherwise, know your place, you dirty liberal blogger. Conservatives are allowed to openly fantasize about killing people in this country (see Morgan, Melanie…), but GAWD FORBID some uppity woman blogger should make the case that militant 16th-century-style Crusader Catholicism might not be the best form of birth control and AIDS prevention on the planet. Clearly the only Christian thing to do is tell her you'll kill her if she doesn't shut up.
There may be some good news here, however, in the form of the IRS. Lindsay at Majikthise has the scoop:
I predict that the biggest loser in all this will be Bill Donohue's Catholic League. In the process of hounding a couple of bloggers, the so-called civil rights organization may have jeopardized its vital 501(c)(3) status. As a tax-exempt organization, the CL is forbidden by law from interfering with political campaigns.
Our taxes should not be subsidizing lobbying by religious extremists.
Jeffrey Feldman at Frameshop has more. I think this could be an absolutely marvellous opportunity to fight hysterical religious extremists over here so we don't have to fight them over there.
Oh, and pass the onion dip.
UPDATE: Stalwart Firedog Phoenix Woman has posted instructions for contacting the IRS about Donohue:
Here’s what you do:
Download Form 3949-A from www.IRS.gov. Fill out with the pertinent info on Donahue’s org under #2 (the “business name” side). (Put “N/A” in the individual-name fields under #1.) Here’s the info:
2. Business Name: Catholic League
2a-b. Address: 450 Seventh Avenue, 34th Floor, New York, NY 101232c. Emp. ID Num: 23-7279981
2d. Principal Bus. Act.: Non-Profit Political Advocacy
Skip to 4. Check off “Other”.
5a.(Describe violation)
“In his role as President of the Catholic League, a 501(c)(3) organization, William Donohue made national television appearances calling for the firing by the John Edwards for President campaign of two campaign employees. The Catholic League has issued press releases on Feb. 9 (http://tinyurl.com/2dx4h4) and Feb. 12 (http//tinyurl.com/ywrcr5) of 2007 specifically pressuring the Edwards campaign to fire these two employees, thus violating FS-2006-17, which instructs 501(c)(3) groups not to intervene in political campaigns. Donohue’s group has also done similar interventions against John Kerry’s political campaign in 2004; On Feb. 7, 2007, Donohue boasted to Tucker Carlson of MSNBC that he caused two Kerry campaign employees to be fired (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17049495/). Again, this violates FS-2006-17.”
5e — Provide cites.
Then finish w/your name/address/etc. at the bottom.
Kiss your tax-exempt status goodbye, Donohue!
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Fitz!
TRex!
Fitz?
TREX!
This is precisely why I have always said….
Religion is not the solution, it is the problem.
Too bad Joke Line can’t read a selection of those death threats. Maybe then he’d get why “civil discourse” would be as effective with the wingnuts as stopping a rabid dog’s attack by attempting to pet it.
If your description of the Lipton ad is accurate, I don’t blame them. Mind you, I have no respect for Catholic dogma and think that Donohue is beneath contempt, but it’s playing with fire for Lipton to suggest “we’re going to dip the Wafer (the body of J-C)in our dip and make it EVEN BETTER.”
It’s all medieval nonsense and superstition, yes. But what does Lipton think the reaction will be? This is so weird, I can’t believe this account is accurate. (Much as I’m a fan of T. and the site.)
I’m not saying, “Don’t offend the believers.” I’m saying have some taste and tact.
And if the two women resigned from Edwards’ campaign, that’s a scandal, and the cretins who (”in the name of God”) are attacking them are the scum of the earth. Hypocrites.
SusanD @
6
Seriously. “Nice doggie, er, AAAAAAAARRRGH!!”
Bwaaaahhhh! I was signing off for the night when I noticed Trex had a post. I had to read it.
I’d never heard the “onion dip” complaint of Donahue. Wow, does he just run around all day looking for something to be “offended” by, and then grabs as many microphones as possible?
I must go to bed. I hope I don’t incorporate onion dip and Donahue in my dreams…. ewwwwwwwwwwwww.
G’nite!
Onion dip has a known liberal bias.
Simply mah-vah-lous, TRex. Pass the onion dip.
Uh, yes. That seems to be exactly what he does.
Anti Catholicism s the anti semitism of the Left .
Suzanne @ 11
You want regular chips or the ones with ridges?
John Rowland @ 13
Let’s get something straight here. I am NOT anti-Catholic. I’m anti-Donohue.
There is a HUGE difference.
LandOfTheFree @ 9
That pretty much sums up his kind of “victim,” yes.
Donahue should practice safe sects.
Never saw the ad, but how do we know it was a *Catholic* church? Episcopalians take communion too.
what is the proper reaction for a moderate christian to have when the eucharist is compared to a potato chip and the holy spirit to a load of hot sticky cum?
there are a lot of christians who support gay rights, gender equality, civil rights, birth control, plan B and other reproductive rights….even if a lot of church doctrine does not. lots of catholics and other christians…and jews and muslims and hindus etc…vote for democrats. mocking central tenets of christianity or other faiths certainly does not help. religion is not the problem…ignorance and stereotyping is.
TRex @ 15
Donahue does for Christ’s teachings what chlamydia does for pleasure.
John Rowland @ 13
Yeah, because there are no liberal Catholics, right?
Hope to see you in line. You need it.
speaking of Malkin and dips:
spinner rims, chrome grill, hella skills
dippity do y’all: waterboard thrills
intern the concern – burn, baby, burn
Why do radical wingnuts think they are allowed a staffing veto in Democratic Presidential campaigns? No one who listens to Donohue will vote Democratic, ever, so why should our primary campaigns be beholden to his views?
(You will notice that, as I predicted last night, the Jewish Democrats’ complaint about Willard Romney announcing his Presidential race at the estate of lurid anti-semite Henry Ford has sunk without a trace. Very little TradMed attention to this travesty.)
Our candidates must learn than the playing field is tilted in favor of the wingnuts; we must fight back with all our might when something like bloggergate occurs. Are any in the current field equipped with this knowledge already?
This reminds me of a page I saw about a communion wafer “taste test“.
I’ve heard it’s “okay” if the wafers aren’t blessed.
I actually like onion dip.
rwcole @ 24
So do I. GoodMrsPuma prefers that I not eat the stuff, though. Something about “gaseous anomalies in the Beta quadrant.”
There’s a scripture verse I keep thinking of when I hear about Donahue’s attacks on the “foul mouthed bigots”. Hang on–I know it’s around here somewhere.
Renee in Ohio @ 26
Is this the bit where Jesus goes to town on the Pharisees?
The battle for the catholic vote is an important one- and goopers have been making inroads lately- this idiot is one of the (minor) factors. The Pope got personally involved in the 2004 election…
Much of the church still votes dems- but the conservative wing is workin hard ta change that.
Here we go:
Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?
Perhaps Mr. Rowland has too much time on his hands between community service gigs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Rowland
Jesus ALWAYS beat the shit out of the pharisees (first century goopers).
OT except in a gustatory sense
I’ve got the sour cream, but no instant onion soup mix.
Plenty of fresh onions.
Anyone have an onion dip recipe for fresh ingredients?
The conservative wings in various churches are well funded. There are some articles about the right wing Episcopalian groups here.
TRex @ 15
So you are pro Oprah?
Renee in Ohio @ 33
If you have no sense of morality, ethics, or basic decency, there’s not much left besides fund-raising.
Yes, but anti-loofah.
I’m pro-Uma.
Can’t stand The Craplick league, but have to admit the Lipton ad was in bad taste. Why insult a potential customer? No reason to start a jihad, but show a little sensitivity!
Now if we just could do something about the new Cruise Misselets and the Self Service Stations of the Cross…
For my Valentine
I prefer dipping my hosts in hommous.
-GSD
Can we just call Jokeline the anti-pundit? (among other things)
Well, it’s not just being “good at fundraising”–the relgious right was a creation of the political right.
SubwaySerenade @ 38
Sure, but having acknowledged that, people like you and me move on to more important things. Donohue, not so much. If he isn’t the loudest, most persistent victim in town, he isn’t what passes for happy with him.
The catholic church- on the whole- is saner and less anti-intellectual than the fundie churches that have spawned a renewal of ignorance across america..If you can keep up with a well trained catholic theologian in an argument- yer pretty damned good.
Unfortunately- there’s a new breed of catholics who are drinkin the Falwell KoolAid and are every bit as ignorant. Most of em are “laymen”- dumb and mean- that’s where this guy fits in.
Renee- Yeah- in a way.
One version is that it started in Orange County with one woman who got really pissed off about sex education sometime in the early seventies- the politicians noticed that it was gettin attention and stole it.
rwcole @ 43
That pretty much says it, yes. The RCC is too big to tar with just one brush–although nobody who finds the current pope creepy as hell is going to get much argument from me.
Can’t wait for the American Taliban to start blowing up statues that offend them.
They’ll start with MLK and then move onto the Crazy Horse statue…..
This Donahue clown needs to be laughed out of town.
-GSD
Chris Cillizza chatz at WaPo at 11 eastern tomorrow.
PBS documentary “Secrets, Sources, and Spin” producer Raney Aronson chatz at 11 also.
Dan Froomkin chatz at 1pm eastern.
Donahue is workin the same scam made famous by Falwell and crew—”The secular humanists are out ta get you”..
Worked OK for Falwell- probably workin a little for this political whore too.
Donohue is an embarrassment to Catholics, of which I am one. I remember during the sexual abuse scandal, he was ranting about how the media was focusing too much on that issue, instead of focusing on the good the Church does. He apparently was too stupid too understand that the bishops’ failure to deal with the scandal is what allowed it to overshadow the good works of the Church. Oh well, Evangelical Protestants are stuck with Falwell and Robertson, and we’re stuck with Donohue.
I wonder if TradMed will think twice about having Donohue appear, now that he’s been exposed as the bigot he is, especially if he wants to talk about bigotry….
Archie Bunker Donahue is looking to bump Fred Phelps off his high horse.
They are both # 2 in my book.
-GSD
Perhaps Dana Rohrbacher should list Onion Dip as a source of greenhouse gas emmissions. It really is dangerous stuff.
onion dip recipe w/o soup mix
1. 2/3 sour cream, 1/3 mayonaise
2. slow and low saute (20 min) 1 onion in acouple tbls oil – should be carmalized but not burned, so stir often
3. salt, white pepper and galic powder to taste
4. refigerate for 20 minutes to let galic powder be absorbed
eat
“I say I’m a Vice-President, son, not a chicken, I say…Rump tump duddly-ump de doo dump, DOO-da, doo da…”
;>)
Totally OT, but I went to Yoga this morning and it was AWESOME. They had a nice 60ft. mat for me and I trimmed my talons extra thoroughly so they didn’t rip it.
Afterwards, though, I felt like a liquid. I just wanted to nap the rest of the afternoon away.
Pope Bennie is a throwback to the Pope who embraced Mussolini..He was in the Hitler youth ya know- and was the guy who did the smear on Kerry about excommunicating any catholic who was “pro choice”. He’s got plenty of political axes to grind- but I think he’s not much of a politician.
The net effect of the Kerry flap was to help insure that dems never nominate another catholic for pres.
Nice job Bennie!
Renee in Ohio @
18
I was raised an Episcopalian, and I wasn’t offended. did I miss something?
I’m a Presbyterian- but we get the little cracker thingees.
rwcole @ 56
Sure, but so was pretty much every kid his age in Germany in the 1930s. Plenty of Germans got over it. Ratzinger seems to like that kind of authoritarian snake oil, though.
Pectopah @ 52
No doubt the dinosaurs ate the stuff and all went pfft at the sametime.
edgery @ 57
I, too, was raised Episcopalian and the only thing we’re ever sore about missing is an open bar.
More Republican family values:
Scalia’s daughter arrested for child endangerment, DUI.
[h/t raw]
________________________
thnaks john in california – onion dip coming up!
kirk murphy @ 62
Sweet. Er, I mean, how tragic and alarming!!
Scalia’s apparently another of the whacko catholic right.
Who’s going to revoke their tax exemption? The IRS? It’s not something Congress can do is it? And if it is, do you really expect them to do anything like that?
Just saying, those cardboard-like hosts are not only used in Catholic churches. Just another dimension to the fake outrage Donahue spews.
At my current church, we have people who bake bread for communion, but I’d been to Catholic churches where they do that as well.
TRex @
62
Ya know, Pat Robertson thinks we’re all satanists, collectively…
kirk murphy @ 33
Kirk M., your question cracked me up. To add to John at 54’s suggestion, here is one that looked good:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/foo…..src=search
Renee in Ohio @ 18
Not that it matters, but Baptists do the Lord’s Supper, and to my untrained eye, looks a lot like communion…
Blub @ 67
Right there was where you lost me.
and, from the human cannon fodder front… guess those surgers need to come from somewhere
Army Giving More Waivers in Recruiting
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ
CNN
Published: February 14, 2007
The number of waivers granted to Army recruits with criminal backgrounds has grown about 65 percent in the last three years, increasing to 8,129 in 2006 from 4,918 in 2003, Department of Defense records show.
During that time, the Army has employed a variety of tactics to expand its diminishing pool of recruits. It has offered larger enlistment cash bonuses, allowed more high school dropouts and applicants with low scores on its aptitude test to join, and loosened weight and age restrictions.
The Presbyterian crackers are WAY too small to scoop up onion dip with- you’d have ta use yer fingers- and there’d be nothing to wipe em on but the hymnal..
I just don’t think it would work in a Presbyterian Church.
I didn’t know that. Knew Lutherans did.
Went to a Unitarian Universalist church where they did some sort of bread thing–sorry, can’t for the life of me remember what it was called–where they passed around baskets of breads from different parts of the world.
TRex @
64
I wonder if she’s gonna need legal help?
-GSD
Donohue: “You CANNOT petition the lawd with sour cream!”
Blub @ 72
are those waivers dipped in Lipton?
TeddySanFran @ 22
It was at the Henry Ford Museum. I think it was ironic, that Romney announced his bid in a museum, meaning he belongs in one, like some past relic or dinosaur. It is up with the visuals of Haserts Graveyard presser.
Renee
I go to a Unitarian church sometimes- they don’t eat ANYTHING- and aren’t allowed to mention Jesus.
kirk murphy @
63
Big Tony would have shown that copper a finger wave or two.
I don’t think Jewish people have snacks during service either- but I’m not sure.
Pectopah @ 77
And he’s trying to sell himself as an “outsider.” That’s right up there with “real conservative” for hoary Republican campaign lies.
darkblack @
55
Does Shotgun Leghorn hang out with Bugs Malkin?
-GSD
Do Mormons snack at the temple?
TRex,
Lindsay Beyerstein is right on DonaHO, as usual. I doubt the Justice Department or Internal Revenue Service will do anything about his sick political activism. But does anyone here think there’s a politician in our congress with the balls to force the IRS or DOJ to take down the Catholic League over their brazen violations of U.S. tax code? I don’t.
Saw this on Jesus’ General’s site also…
http://www.metrowestdailynews……3096972286
A Mass (no pun intended) state senator goes to a high school to confront some kids that said some mean things about him on Facebook. Goes in front of a class and repeats the f-bombs and vulgarities to all the kids, including the ones not involved, in order to confront them on their opinions.
What a f-ing freakshow! Goddamn, I wish one of my kids was in that class. I’d be all over that dude and in the media. Go bully and intimidate a few high schoolers. What a man!! Oh yea, he is a Repube as you probably guessed…
Heading home, kids.
See you in a bit.
montag @ 74
When only opus dip will do.
When the Flying Monkeys launched their latest DoS attack on Amanda, I unleashed my response, here.
rwcole @ 83
What happens in the Tabernacle stays in the Tabernacle.
rwcole @
65
think he’s one well-trained catholic you could keep up with in an argument?
TRex @ 87
Don’t forget the Cheese Whiz, it goes great with hosts.
-GSD
Phoenix Woman @ 88
I’m posting these instructions.
Tab-n-apples.
-GSD
Happy Hour at the temple- no host communion to follow.
sniflheim @ 66
Mac Hammond’s going down, courtesy of the IRS. Yes, they can take down Donohue.
TRex @ 92
Bless you! You’ll soon have e-mail!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 88
That’s the recipe that requires real blood from self-flagellation, right?
rwcole, the communion-like thing happened only once a year. And they mentioned Jesus sometimes, referring to him as the “ancient teacher from Palestine”, or something like that. I heard some really good sermons there.
Some of them can be found online.
GSD @ 83
You mean Elmer J. Mangalang, millionaire?
;>)
darkblack @ 99
That one still makes me laugh out loud.
-GSD
montag @ 95
Whips up in minutes.
Last month, Douglas Harding – one of the recent greats in metaphysics – died one month short of his 98th birthday…but,
There was a day, back in 1942:
http://www.headless.org/englis…..o-head.htm
When he ‘woke-up’ to headlessness.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 100
Minutes?!?! Put some gusto into that cord, believer!
Speaking about Episcopalians, is shrub still trying to get his goons in the IRS to shut down churches for daring to sermonize against him?
edgery @
58
I was too raised Episcopal and still am. I thought the commercials concept was funny, execution so-so. The only thing remotely threatens my faith is world hegemony in the name of Jesus.
Is there a U Tube copy of that commercial, and, if so, where can I get it?
TRex, I had to laugh when I saw the journal that the 10 worst atrocities of 2001 article appeared in. “America” is a Jesuit publication, and I’ve got a hunch that they published it almost as a target for their readers. Most of the letters they published take Donohue to task, and a couple even lament the “poor editorial judgment” that let his piece get published in the first place.
Speaking of catholicism and Scalia, there is a fascinating article in this week’s New Yorker (not available online) about Tom Monaghan, the wealthy founder of the Domino’s pizza chain. It focuses on his efforts to start a ultra-conservative catholic univesity (including a law school) known as ‘Ave Maria University’ which is to be surrounded by a town built specially for Catholics on an enclave in Florida. Alito has already hired a graduate of Ave Maria university as a clerk. And Scalia was instrumental in getting Monaghan to appoint Robert Bork as a professor. The article connects a lot of dots, with kate O’beirne (sp?) earning a mention. I highly recommend the article.
Also, for religious believers of any faith, I highly recommend that you read ‘The God Delusion’ by Richard Dawkins. An incredible book that may change your life.
way OT: RIP denise brown. Berkeley has lost a great educator, too young. one who touched many lives including punaisette’s.
I don’t know if she was religious, but damn, she was spiritual.
also: link
*xyz @ 108
Any mention in the article of Monahan’s playground already running into potential challenges to the Fair Housing Law? As I recall, that got into some sticky issues regarding covenants, etc.
montag @
111
covenants, convents, convenience…what’s the big woop?
run for cover: she’s baaaaaaccckk! (Camille Paglia at salon.com)
…and disagreeing with Israel’s policies against Palestinians is not anti-semitism, and hating terrorists is not being anti-arab.
Montag – yes, it did discuss that issue. Monaghan and his business partners seem to now grudging acknowledge that the town won’t be as ‘pure’ as they would like, but they seem to believe that no one other than hardcore Catholics will want to live there anyway, so it will be a self-selecting community.
weird, i woulda thought priests having sex with little boys would have ranked closer to the top of the list.
punaise @ 111
Convenience stores were mentioned in the article I read… could they be banned if they sold condoms…?
Could covenants be written in such a way as to exclude people on the basis of religion (which is explicitly barred in the Fair Housing Act).
Like almost every Dominos, it’s starting to sound like a den of in-ick-quit-y.
punaise @
113
Oh, for f*ck’s sake.
Well, at least I know what I’ll write about tomorrow night.
It seems so Sacri-licious
Eureka Springs, AR @
35
Not me! I’m pro-freedom of speech! I’m pro-Democrats with spines!
I posted a comment on Edwards blog asking if he was going to let Bill ‘Onion Dip’ Donohue win this one.
‘Cause that’s the way the scoreboard reads right now: Catholic League 2 Edwards Campaign 0.
I also promised to do a post a week about Ol’ Bill the Bigot and I promise you this: I won’t quit!
We all need to blogswarm this piece of human waste until he crawls back in into the sewer.
And…
We ought to get on the Catholic Church for their tacit support for Bill the Bigot.
TRex @
118
I knew that would make your day
TRex @
118
Oooh, ooh! Lemme guess what she’s going to say:
– She’ll wonder why women can’t be strong like men, then diss Hillary for being too masculine.
– She’ll do a cursory swipe at Bush for being an idiot, but attack the Democrats for being too “nannyish”.
– She’ll try to show what a broadminded person she is by shoehorning references to Plato, BDSM, and John Waters into the same sentence.
So, am I right?
John Rowland @
13
Now, wait just a cotton-pickin’ minute, there. I’m Catholic, and I think Donohue is an idiot. He doesn’t speak for me, never has, never will. He doesn’t speak for the overwhelming majority of American Catholics, never has, never will.
Being anti-Donohue is not anti-Catholicism. It’s anti-psychopathy.
Phoenix Woman @ 121
Don’t forget Tiny Tim and Mary Cheney….
A Valentine Rant:
montag @
98
“Opus Dip” — I’m tempted to call Bill the Anti-Semite that from now on.
montag @ 124
Or Mary Tim and Tiny Cheney.
Damn, we should almost do a Camille Contest: See who can do the best-worst Paglia pastiche.
Now I’m afraid to look.
Opus Dipshit.
We should all look at the title and then write the article, read the real one, and award a prize to whoever comes closest to nailing it.
rwcole @
44
Problem is: they get that way listening to their bishops.
Phoenix Woman @ 126
I think that could turn out to be a real head-exploder. And, at this point, I really wouldn’t want to try to upstage Molly Ivins, rest her soul. Molly’s got real creds in the Paglia intellectual circus business.
Joemailman @
50
If he is off base, the Church’s hierarchy should disavow his comments. Have any done so?
Not to change the subject from sacred onion dip (I bet God loves it…)…
But did anyone see the Frontline show tonight on “News War: Secrets, Spin and the Future of News”?
It was part one of a four part series and was billed as somewhat of an expose of the Bush White House on the lead up to war as well as an overview of the Plame case, and the manipulation of the press.
I’m wondering if I wasn’t paying enough attention (or perhaps the message was muddled by various contrating points), but
1) Judy Judy Judy sure got a lot of coverage and came off sympathetically
2) Novak rather stridently insisted that no laws were broken and the case was much ado about nothing (I know that’s his standard line, but not used to seeing profiled positively on Frontline…)
2a) Woodward also said the same thing
3) It focused a GREAT DEAL on reporter source privileges and it sure seemed to me that the last 5 minutes or so blasted Fitz for forcing journalists to reveal their sources, with no MENTION of the fact that the sources were, how do you say, LYING!!
Kind of unbeleivable to moi… please someone else who saw it help me out here… was I imagining things??
rwcole @
57
Bernie goes whichever way the wind blows. During Vatican II, he was a “liberal.”
SubwaySerenade @ 39
No argument there, but there’s a big difference between declaring it to be in poor taste and calling it an “atrocity.” Self-aggrandizing twit. (I mean Donohue, of course, not you.)
A. Citizen @ 120
As a few of us said a couple of days ago, they try to pretend he’s nothing to do with them.
I can’t do this, because I consider myself a collapsed Catholic, but if you’re still a churchgoer and want to do something about Donohue: Call your diocese, or fax/email its press office, with a list of Donohue’s worst lines. (The one referring to child abuse from priests is a doozy, given the settlements of late.)
Ask whether the bishop/archbishop agrees with them; and if they reflect official Church opinion. That’s going to work better than any blogswarm, because Donohue’s bully-pulpit relies upon the silence of the actual hierarchy. Even a ‘no comment’ is a refusal to support. And blog that.
Because it’d be nice to have the IRS rifling through his accounts, but nicer to have a few cardinals forced to repudiate him.
We can turn an ordinary Opus Dei into a bright and shiny Doris Dei.
TRex @
118
TRex, I can’t wait. She is just intolerable.
TRex @ 129
As a student of pastiche, as filtered through the lens of pagan sexuality, I find that deeply unfunny.
SubwaySerenade @ 137
That makes me feel happy all over.
Okay, doggies. I need to fix myself some dinner. I’ll check back in a bit.
SubwaySerenade @ 39
At my Catholic school, there was a competition to see if you could keep the host stuck to the roof of your mouth between morning Mass and lunchtime.
Onion dip, though? Please. Surely you’d want ice cream.
On a road trip once, we had a box of crackers that just happened to be shaped exactly like communion wafers. I took one and said “take, eat, for this is my body — cheese flavored!” One of my traveling companions, an Episcopal priest-in-training, thought it was pretty funny. (Of course, she was the one who’d noticed that they were shaped like communion wafers in the first place.)
Another friend of mine, after becoming friends with a number of Episcopalians in college and learning a bit about the church from them, came up with “Episcopalomania — not the Catholic Church, but an amazing simulation!” (This will be lost on those who are not old enough to remember Beatlemania, of course.)
Paglia:
had enough?
ref my comment no. 133 above…
I also meant to say that when they were oh so righteously defending the right to privacy of secret sources, they also forgot to mention the fact that the sources were outing a classified operative in the process… which I guess is not a crime for a journalist, but is a crime for the leaker…
a little oversight don’t you think, especially in light of the fact that they showed a clip of Fitz’s new conference in Oct 05 where he clearly establishes that Plame was under cover…
Donohue:
Archie Bunker.
LOL!
punaise @ 143
*hrrrrrrrk*, *hrrrrrrrrrrrrrk!*
BLEAAARRGGH!!
*urp!*
Oh, shit.
Sorry about the mess.
TRex @
128
Me, too, frankly. :-)
Even better!
I was prolix before I was antilix.
TRex @ 146
Cleanup in Aisle 147! ;-p
Oh, God, if I ever write such turgid fucking self-name-checking prose, send Dick Cheney over to shoot me.
Excellent news:
On her way out the door, deposed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of California, Carol Lam, drops a multi-count indictment on Foggo and Wilkes, Duke Cunningham’s partners in crime.
Well done, Carol. Good luck in whatever the next stage of your career turns out to be.
pseudonymous in nc @ 136
Or even more to the point, try to get them to contact the media outlets where he appears and inform them that he has no official connection with the Catholic Church, and object to their presenting him as speaking for Catholics.
I fully support free speech, and I have no problem if they want to put him on, as long as they properly identify him as the leader of a radical fringe group.
punaise @ 143
Make it stop! Make it stop!
rwcole @ 59
Jeez – back when I was a Presbyterian, we didn’t get any cracker thingees. How times have changed!
However, when I was a Unitarian we once had a pretzle communion which I thought was rather strange. If any Unitarians still do pretzle communions, they should consider asking our fearless leader to partake.
pseudonymous in nc @
136
Ahmen!!!
A Catholic, a Mormon, and an Episcopalian go into a Publican Presidential primary..
Darn it I forgot the punchline
Jesus CHRIST! (LOL) Most (all?) Christian churches take communion — not just Catholics and Episcopalians. Presbyterians, Methodists … even Baptists.
Speaking as a lapsed (very lapsed) Catholic I can say that Donohue presents precisely the kind of bullies the church produces. It’s a wonder he didn’t get a sex change and become a nun — so perfectly does he fit the profile.
Born in 1947 (the HUAC hearings, major blizzard hits New York, Good News, Desert Fury, Gore Vidal spends the summer in the Bahamas with Haold Lang) and raised in Queens Long Island, my parents opted to not send me to the local Catholic School. Thus I avoided molestation by the priests. I of course took Catechism classes and made my first communion. But by the time of Confirmation I was disillusioned with the whole thing. Great sets. Lovely costumes. The music is beautiful. But the “book” needs work.
Lots of work.
As a young adult (blossoming into the full flower of gayness) I ran across (literally ) many members of the clergy at the Baths
You could always tell when you fucked a priest: they would cry with joy — and shame — right afterwards.
Ideologically the bane of our existence in the 50’s was Francis Cardinal Spellman — one of the meanest closet queens whoever walked the earth.
Franny loved chorus boys and was a great Ethel Merman fan. Ordinarily this would put him in my good graces. But he was a vindictive shit whose best pals included two other killer closet queens — J. Edgar Hoover and Roy Cohn.
Franny’s most memorable campaign was against Baby Doll — a brilliant cinematic collaboration between Tennessee Williams and Elia Kazan, starring Eli Wallach, Karl Malden and in the title role Carroll Baker. She played Malden’s “child bride” who he had married as a pre-adolescent on the promise that he would not “come near her” until she was of age. That day is fast arising but another farmer, played by Wallach, is poised to poach on Malden’s wife. A delightfully robust sex comedy, Baby Doll enraged Franny. He insisted hat the “Legion of Decency” give it a “Condemned” rating — meaning that everyone who saw it had earned a one-way ticket to Hell.
A number of years back I attended a press junket for Tough Guys, a sweet but unmemorable Disney comedy re-teaming Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas for the last time. Eli Wallach was also in it. When Lancaster held his press event Wallach attended ( finding everything Lancaster did of el primo interest) and as luck would have it he sat next to me. I chatted him up about Baby Doll. “Remember what Spellman said?” he told me ” ‘I come back from visiting our boys in Korea and what do I find? Baby Doll !’ ” Wallach roared with laughter. I told him “You know Mr. Wallach, most people thought Spellman was upset over Carroll Baker, but I think he was upset over you.” And with that Wallach roared even more, saying “Oh I know! I know!”
cc in nm @ 144
In line with your Frontline comments:
Are we being Framed?
or
The thought counts, but are you really willing to speak truth to power?
/rant on
A pet peeve of mine which is far more important than whether Scoots gets a pardon is how this whole travesty has been and continues to be framed!
Believe me when I say that no offense is intended to any of the posters and commenters here at FDL, TNH, HuffPo or Needlenose, etc.(Note: I deliberately exclude the MSM from my “no offense” intentions. As we’ve seen, they are the water-carriers extraordinaire for this criminal cabal!).
Folks, it is adding insult to injury to both Ambassador Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson, and to yourselves too, that this travesty is commonly referred to, “framed” if you will, as something so insignificant as the “Outing of Valerie Plame”, “Plamegate” or even the “Libby Trial”.
This is not about “outing” someone! It is not about Scoots having a “trial”. It is about the Betrayal of Valerie Plame!
Again, the Betrayal of someone! That traitorous behavior implicit in treason! This is about the forest, not the tree!
If we continue to succumb to the minimization of this travesty by allowing it to framed as a “tree” instead of its reality as a “forest”, how are we also not complicit in betraying Valerie Plame?
Let’s not continue to call this simply the “Outing of Valerie Plame”, “Plamegate” or the “Libby Trial”.
If I could make a wish and have it come true, I would wish that we all take the pledge and call this what it really is: The Plame Betrayal!
/rant off
A replica of the Maltese Falcon was stolen. The writer had fun with the story, adopting Dashiell Hammett’s style:
Frontline was shitty. Took Woodwards’ side that “no crime was committed.”
Fuck the lot of them.
Never knew Fitz had a bald spot. Most endearing. Rather like Maxwell Caulfield’s
pollyanna crackers?
montag @
131
Oh, goodness, yes. Damn, it hurts to think that Molly is no longer with us and that PainInTheAss will probably live to be a hundred. Molly dissected Camille the way Mark Twain disemboweled James Fenimore Cooper (or Fitzy reamed out Wells). It’s what happens when the work of a bloviating blowhard phony is critiqued by someone who really is everything the blowhard claims to be: Erudite, articulate, whip-smart, relevant.
David Ehrenstein @ 157
A number of years back I attended a press junket for Tough Guys, a sweet but unmemorable Disney comedy re-teaming Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas for the last time. Eli Wallach was also in it. When Lancaster held his press event Wallach attended ( finding everything Lancaster did of el primo interest) and as luck would have it he sat next to me. I chatted him up about Baby Doll. “Remember what Spellman said?” he told me ” ‘I come back from visiting our boys in Korea and what do I find? Baby Doll !’ ” Wallach roared with laughter. I told him “You know Mr. Wallach, most people thought Spellman was upset over Carroll Baker, but I think he was upset over you.” And with that Wallach roared even more, saying “Oh I know! I know!”
I saw Baby Doll years ago on AMC back when AMC played classic movies from longer than ten years ago and found it to be fantastic. Karl Malden really stood out in that movie to me for his role as the husband character. He played it with an angry passion which I had never seen him do before or since. Great back story to that there about Eli Wallach, another great actor.
David Ehrenstein @ 157
Oh, that’s lovely, David! Perfect!
I loved Tough Guys, if for no other reason than I got to see Kirk and Burt wearing 1940s suits and showing the young’uns how it was done. Damn, they both looked good. Old enough to be my grandpas, both of them, and they still looked good. That old Hollywood charisma…
Phoenix Woman @ 164
are you suggesting that Ben Affleck lacks gravitas? :~)
Just read Camille in Salon. The principle of the stopped clock is apparently in operation as I find myself agreeing with her. Hillary’s awful, Obama upstaged her and Sandra Bernhard is brilliant.
Fascinating to read that Mitchell Lichtenstein’s become a director. I’d been wondering what happened to him. Roy Lichtenstein’s son, he appeared to great effect in Altman’s Streamers and Ang Lee’s REAL gay movie The Wedding Banquet. Being gay himself he proved an expert in playing a gay man on both occasions. And he’s quite The Babe, besides.
The only candidate currently in the Democratic side of the POTUS Sweestakes that has my interest has little chance of winning the nomination. Wes Clark has the experience and the gravitas it takes to be President.
He would make a fine President but he is so obscure to the general public he has no chance of winning the nod to run. Do look for him as Secretary of Defense or National Security Adviser to the next President, whoever gets the nomination.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 167
I was just thinking about him tonight.
2008 is WAY too far away- but so far I like Richardson- don’t know much about him- but he seems like less of an asshole than the others.
TRex, you outdid even your own self tonight but that catholic web site you sent us to is a god-awful place.
You all are probably too young to remember when onion dip first came on the scene but it was an event in the foodie world with lurid pictures in Look Magazine showing people dipping giant chips into this mucky looking stuff. But don’t cha’ just love to see these catholic phonies bust their buttons?
When I was thrown out of public school for insubordination I spent a brief period in a catholic grammar school. I was beaten with coat hangers, pinched, locked in a closet, and sent to the principals office where a wraithlike nun threatened my life. After running away from home with a bindle stiff from the rail yards (my first taste of personal power) I was pulled out of the catholic “castle” school and sent to school miles away. A vivid etching.
FinFiniTOOBZ RE:Clark The other day someone here remarked that you have to be out of the military for 10 years before you can be Sec of Defense.
I like Clark, too. The rap on him in 2004 was that he was a terrible campaigner, but I liked what I saw.
David Ehrenstein @ 166
I’m shocked that she actually said something nice about Obama — I thought for sure that she’d call him a pantywaist Oreo or some such. Good for her.
I have decided that Romney is the BIGGEST asshole running—flaming.
(waving to spiderpaws)
Rudy is kind of an mediteranean asshole.
ohioblue @ 171
I had never heard that before about the ten year requirement. That wouldn’t prevent him from being Nat’l Security Adviser though.
Maybe he doesn’t have the charisma of an Obama, maybe he isn’t a media darling like Hillary, but he impressed me with his speeches in 2004. It was the content of his words that I listened to and liked what I heard. I knew then I would support him in 08 if he was back in the field.
Women usually can’t be assholes- but Hillary is.
rwcole @ 177
So is Paglia.
rwcole
is there anyone whom you consider to NOT be an asshole?
>waving to Suzie >
Really, we are too harsh on our Dem candidates. They are all very good people and we will be lucky to get any one of them into the white house.
Say, what’s it like over in the redwood forest tonight, Suzanne?
This just in from Political Wire:
You know, I think I would like Hillary more if she’d learn to be more of an asshole, call people out, go on Bill O’Reilly and bash his head in with a boom microphone, call out Newt Gingrich for the role he played in the character assassination of her husband.
I hear that as a person, Hillary is quite the pit bull, but as a politician, she’s more like a jumpy Jack Russell terrier.
I mean- when’s the last time you heard the sentence: “She’s an asshole”?
I don’t know if I’ve EVER heard it- Now “He’s an asshole”- ya hear almost daily.
Why’s that?
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 181
It’s coming out the same day as the new Guns and Roses album, “Chinese Democracy”.
[/snark]
Suzanne
Ya mean presidential candidates? Not that I can think of. In order to run you seem to have to start taking yourself REAL seriouly- and yer most of the way ta bein an asshole- but I still think that Richardson may be LESS of an asshole than the others.
*waves to spiderpaws*
spider, 45 outside and clear skies so the temp is dropping – almost 10″ of rain this week
anything in the stars politically?
TRex @ 184
707!! I damn near spewed Coke on the laptop with that one! Inside the music biz joke folks, nothing to see here.
oswald @ 19
Does not help what?
Burning 8 million women at the stake didn’t help much either. Attacking Sinade O’Connor as evil for claiming that the church covered up child sexual abuse ten full years before we found out it was all true didn’t help much either.
There is a very large difference between causing death and destruction and criticizing an organization that causes death and destruction. One of these things is not like the other and I truly wish people would stop pretending that it is worse to talk about a bad thing than to do a bad thing.
…the baggage that goes with being a politician must be enormous. I had to do a teeny bit of PR for myself for something recently (all lies) and I ended up going out into a dark alley in SF and firing up.
What Hillary sends out for vibes is uncertainty about the whole issue of going after the presidency. She doesn’t project that she wants it like she did with the senate seat. This is why I don’t think she will get it.
Oh, my. Words fail me.
Go to the front page of http://www.nytimes.com and check out the hair on the handler of the dog that took Best in Show at WKC.
What’s the connection between the holy spirit and hot sticky cum. I don’t get it! What do they have in common? Neither is an Avocado?
burnspbesq @ 191
I am so glad you’re here.
Even better.
Spiderpaws @ 190
I’m not so sure her uncertainty vibe (which you nailed on the head) is as much about her desire for the presidency as much as it is uncertainty about whether or not we are buying her line of shit she is feeding us.
She is the penultimate middle of the road candidate. She is threading an ideological needle that she is uncomfortable threading because her advisers have told her to tone down the bomb throwing liberal tendencies she has in her gut and triangulate for the centrist wishy washy Liberman positions.
Renee in Ohio @
18
So do United Methodists – but they use cut up wonder bread and grape juice – but still; onion dip on wonder bread works for me!
Hillary was told that americans will never vote for a woman in wartime- unless she’s a REAL ASSHOLE.
Spiderpaws @
190
SPIDERPAWS!!!! HI~! (can you tell I’ve missed you?)
Hillary watching Maggie Thatcher movies
burnspbesq @ 191
You may wish to retract that comment. The world is very small.
hey jacqrat – sorry for not getting back to ya sooner but my phone line (used for dial up) had a close encounter with a squirrel. only got back online tonight.
Suzanne @ 201
No prob, bob. I don’t have a timer set. :)
I can’t agree with your analysis of Hillary. Maybe because I have the advantage of having seen her chart and done research on what her transits are for the next couple of years. She is dragging enormous weight into this election as is McCain, Romney, Richardson and Guilliani. They are all boomers and are having Saturn transits that essentially reign in energies and force every one of them into “appropriate stances”.
On the other hand, it will be an easy road for Obama unless he collapses from exhaustion from not pacing himself. That is his only problem at this time in his life.
What is his sun sign?
Spiderpaws @ 203
What about Wes Clark?
Oh. He’s a Leo. Of course.
Stand back, everybody. Hillary’s a Scorpio.
This could get ugly.
Keep your hands and feet clear and don’t tap on the glass.
Wes is a boomer too (Saturn transits) and his heart is somewhere else which is a shame since he is the perfect person to be president. He has a lot of 12th house hidden stuff so people never even consider him. He’s like a purebred horse with the finest instincts and would never degrade himself with many of the things it takes to run.
Virgos Ruuuuule!
Even if they AREN’T guys from Canada.
Spiderpaws @ 207
Exactly the sort of chart I expected for him, thanks for doing it. Have you had much luck doing a national chart? Like the general path the country is headed down kind of thing? Are we doomed?
Doomed, no. Coming apart, yes, if by “we” you mean the United States. We’re going to become a group of smaller republics.
Amanda says maybe drop a dime on Mr Donahue with the IRS
TRex @ 210
I came to that conclusion a while back. I even once took a wall sized map of the US and a friend and I argued for a week over what states would break into smaller countries and along what lines.
I think Indiana, where I am, will be part of a Great Lakes States of America because we do have a major port on Lake Michigan that gives us access to the other Great Lakes and eventually the Atlantic. What do you think will happen to Georgia?
Something horrid, no doubt. I’ll probably be a refugee, fleeing via the new Underground Railway.
TRex @ 213
I may have to apply for Irish citizenship when the fit hits the shan. I already got a route through to Canada planned, then I’ll hop a flight to Cork from New Foundland. My mind comes up with all sorts of Worst Case Scenarios like this all the time.
I sincerely hope these contingency plans I come up with never have to be dealt with. I’d like to think a country that has made it this far along can keep it’s cool for another couple of hundred years, but my faith in that has been shaken by 6 years of fascists in DC.
Right, then.
Off to bed.
Good night, my friends.
Good night.
TRex @ 213
you’ve got a hidey-hole at the little cabin by the creek in the redwoods (or wherever i’m hiding)
TRex @ 209
Lots of very bad things have to happen before that scenario will play out. My worry is that we might not even make it to that sort of fragmentation.
It’s going to take three or four decades of doing pretty much what we’ve been doing for the last sixty years for those strains to show up.
We might find that the real horrors begin long before then.
Gnight Trex. Dream of large therapods keeping you warm tonight.
montag @ 218
Yeah, say in about 2001?
g’nite TRex, jacqrat. i’m gonna call it a nite myself.
where would we be without virgos, I ask you, Jacqrat? You are so right. My favorite sign.
When Pluto goes into Capricorn it will tear down the establishment as we know it. It will be as intense as the 60’s and everything will change. It could be chaotic and some astrologers actually recommend moving out of this country. They think martial law may be declared. But worse than that is the US progressed Mars is now retrograde for the first time in the history of this country. This could mean the end of our military supremacy and our potency in the world which seems already to be happening. It is a long retrograde.
Spiderpaws @ 222
Any idea of when Pluto goes into Capricorn? Should I be getting my Irish citizenship packet in the mail?
Huge.
Eyeroll.
Bloody Virgos. “The truth will set you free! Principles! Purity!”
Why can’t you people be nice and passive and gullible like my Libra friends? “Oh, that sounds like a good idea, TRex. Sure, I’ll come steal a car with you…”
Sigh.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 219
That’s only a jumping-off point. Consider this. I define a banana republic as a country, a) too heavily armed for the real threats against it, thus encouraging an acceptance of militarism in society, b) heavily in debt and with shaky currency because of arms purchases, the inability to match exports to imports and a system of taxation favoring the rich, and c) obsessed with internal security at the expense of individual rights.
That situation in the United States has been getting progressively worse for many decades, not just since 2001. What we will experience is the cumulative effects of those decades of neglect. That our problems in all those areas seem to be accelerating is an indication of just how long they’ve been in effect.
Ah, Libras.
I believe that God made them because he knew that Geminis would need to have human shields.
TRex @ 224
You realize that my sun sign is Libra but my moon sign is Virgo? Makes for the interesting dichotomy that is my life. I’m an easy going passionate consensus builder, principled about everyone finding the truth if they want to.
Pluto in Cap in 2008…and yes, get your Irish stuff together. The Spiderpaw family got all their passports renewed.
Don’t run yet though, you still have time to dally. This will seem to set up this year for what is to come. I think the writing will be on the wall.
Spiderpaws @ 228
The UK may be in just as bad a shape, Fini. Hell, other countries may not want Americans specifically, given our own immigration policies.
TRex @ 229
Well Ireland is not part of the UK and doesn’t have the issues the US and UK have. You may be right though, a lot of Britons will probably head for the Emerald Isle. Maybe I’ll just stay put but move to my brother’s in the country. He’s surrounded by farmland and we call his place the Padgett Family Bunker jokingly.
In other words, “Passive, passive, passive. Little more than a speed-bump between me and what I want.”
Poor Libras. It’s not your fault God filled your wee heads with dryer lint.
Okay, okay, I’m just being mean, now. I love Libras. Really.
No, seriously.
TRex, your sister in law can tell you all about th eneighborhood she’s from that I live in. This place is a tinderbox if things ever set off in Indy. I have even considered getting a weapon for the house.
I’m moving this November, but all I can currently afford is houses in this area of the Eastside. I’m already dealing with a hugh murder rate in this city as it is. Most of them occurring in about 3 sq miles around me.
Canada could be an easy way out and buying land near the border wouldn’t hurt. Besides, you may want to be here for the renaissance that is expected in the US… from a world class bully to the skinny guy on the block. And much more but the stars are calling me out to my little hill on this beautiful clear night.
TRex @ 231
I totally agree, every Libran I know is passive as hell. But the Virgo moon sign gives me enough activist juice to get slightly more done than most Librans. I like to think since I operate at night better I am governed by my moon sign more than my sun sign.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 232
Well, for god’s sake, take care of yourself.
Okay, now really, you’ve been a lovely crowd, tonight, thank you. No, thank YOU, really.
Good night.
The Padget Family Bunker could be your salvation.
Your instincts are right Fini…one of the possible scenarios painted by astrologers is the breaking up of the city centers…they predict food will be grown locally and land/farms important as it won’t be available from foreign countries or even hundreds of miles away. It is kind of like White Lotus, does anyone remember that book written ages ago?
Why can’t you people be nice and passive and gullible like my Libra friends? “Oh, that sounds like a good idea, TRex. Sure, I’ll come steal a car with you…”
You forgot about the sub-class of Libra that grasped onto that whole scales of justice thing – like me, dear Therapod, who would have been behind you in the vehicle with the scary lights you see flashing in your rearview mirror.
sigh – taking you big guys to jail is always such a drag – where to put the tail and even while ducking you just don’t fit in the backseat.
Suzanne @ 237
I think I’m in that subset. I go crazy at the sight of injustice of any kind. I feel like picking up the sword and slaying the evil minions of injustice whatever the case may be.
Spiderpaws @ 236
He’s got a decent sized lot, a whole wing could be added onto it long term for extra bedrooms. He’s got 5BR as it is.
okay, now i’m really saying goodnite. fini, glad to know that you are in that subset. to a large degree, i think many of us here are that way about injustice.
Im out for tonite too. See you all tomorrow.
i’m just driving by and i don’t know if this has been said before (on the other posts about donohue and his ilk).
i think that one of the reasons that donohue gets away with a lot of what he says is: the sound of his voice. it’s (usually) quite mellow, smooth, whatever. he sounds almost like a friendly neighbor.
for a lot of people, the ones who don’t distance themselves from this hypnotic sound, the meaning of his words is softened. such a nice sounding fellow couldn’t be unreasonable. this is doubly so when he can find a chink in the liberal armor. sound, tonal quality, can be persuasive. it’s amoral. think ronald reagan ……
The 1st Amendment is one thing but death treats and rape threats are quite another. Donohue represents a republican hate machine, The Catholic League. The Catholic Church has done NOTHING to silence Donohue’s vociferous rantings, so they must agree with him! Therefore, the Catholic Church must be republican!
FWIW, Imus is using Timmeh Russert as an anvil upon which to brain Scooter.
It is well known that Onion Dip is Al Qaeda’s condiment of choice.
Good morning, pups. Our thunderstorms are over, but it’s still all gray and cloudy. The NYT has Thomas Friedman on Russia and NATO, and then Maureen Dowd gets all girls’ locker room dishy about Barack Obama. The title of her column is “Obama — Legally Blonde?” Nuf said…
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Help yourself to coffee or tea, and because it’s Valentine’s Day there are chocolate croissants. Oh, and God is in his heaven and all is right with the world because James, the magnificent English springer spaniel, won Best in Show at Westminster last night.
Mornin’ all!
CNN – Chimpy news conference at 11AM today from the White House
More coffee, less Donohue please,
I’ve always believed that religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be inflicted upon children.
Christianists, the Taliban and followers – such as Donohue – of these types of kindred groups underscore why the same analogy holds true with the body politic.
What you do with G-d in the privacy of your own home, your own place of kneeling etc. is your right and your own business. Religion and religiosity has no place in civil society’s representative government AND it is an insulting waste of time to even consider this type of crap as part of the electoral process to form our representative government.
sláinte,
cl
KO threw Donohue’s own words right back at him:
“Vulgar trash-talking bigotry can transcend race, religion, creed or color.”
Actually, I think Donohue’s part of the War on America. He makes $300,000 a year to talk that trash.
Chimpy’s 11AM statement will be about 7 minutes long (30 seconds of content, 6.5 minutes of stuttering). He will be taking questions from reporters.
I hope this isn’t the “My fellow Amurikans, earlier this morning, the US military began combat operations in Iran…” presser.
Pach upstairs.
Stop resizing small pix even smaller if you want them to appear the way you intend. There is no reason for you to resize an already small picture.
re twolf1@ 249 — Oh, Gawd, please make it impossible for the words “IRAQ” or “IRAN” to pass the pReznit’s lips anymore!
“It appears that punctuation and grammar are Not Family Values anymore. (If they ever were.)”
Please refer to your opening paragraph:
“it seems all he has to do to get on TV is show up at the studio and it’s lights, camera, action…” The possessive form of it is its. If we want to be keepers of the language, and criticize (rightfully) the bad punctuation and grammar of the wingnuts, we must make sure our own house is in order.
On the subject of “Mr. Catholic”, he IS really scary, but will likely self-destruct.
Good article!!
Donahue is a politically active, thin-skinned Catholic bully
Donahue is a politically active, thin-skinned Catholic bully, who argues that anyone who does not share his standards and values in public discourse is anti-social and anti-catholic. Who does Bill Donahue speak for? Himself? His non-profit organization of Catholic laymen? The Catholic church? He uses this confusion to his advantage. I can tell you this: As a Catholic, Donahue does not speak for me. I wish Edwards had kept all of his staff employed regardless of Donahue’s demands and threats.
Donahue’s posture – as an offended outraged defender of public discourse standards – is his right under the first amendment but Donahue doesn’t stop there. In his outrage, he frames the language he finds objectionable as a personal and anti-catholic insult and demands a remedy. Donahue’s method of operation is political blackmail: the subject must pay a price, a price Donahue deems apropriate, or suffer the consequence of Donahue’s ongoing public condemnation, which is purportedly by the “public voice” of Catholics throughout the USA.
Donahue is free to speak as he sees fit but its time to call BULLSHIT! on his his political blackmail tactics. No one’s First Amendment rights should be held hostage to Donahue’s bullying.
When Danish newspapers published cartoons of Mohammed, many Americans could not relate to the Muslim reaction. Our thoughts went to the freedom of the press and an understanding that free speech and religious freedom can co-exist in a tolerant society. Donahue is intolerant. Rather than being co-opted by his blackmail, his tactics should exposed, his intolerant attitude revealed and criticized, and he, a speaker for US Catholics, should be marginalized.
punaise @ 143
waahhh?
What’s Donowhore’s problem with Lipton? It could have been Pace Picante sauce instead. Now that would have been truly sacriligeous (and much funnier, IMO).
And how does he know the guy with the dip was attending a catholic service? Might have been Lutheran, Episcopalian, or sumfin else.
I am as far from being a Bill Donahue fan as one can be and not a Catholic either, but I can see that it would be extremely offensive to Catholics.
What if Unilever ran an ad with an Orthodox Jew (in full regalia) secretly nibbling on some Oscar Meyer Bacon? (”It’s sinfully good!”)
How long would that fly?
I can say lots of funny things I’m sure would offend lots of groups of people, but if you want to run a sucessful business let alone ad campaign, you just don’t do it.
Rebel Yell @ 260
Point taken. It just doesn’t qualify as an “atrocity”, though. Bosnian Serbs massacring thousands of Bosnian Moslems, not that’s an atrocity.
But it pays Billy’s salary, I guess.
Eeeeevery sperm is saaaaaacred, eeeeevery sperm is great, iiiiiif a sperm gets waaaaasted, G-d gets quite iraaaate.
John Rowland @
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What’s really funny about this whole thing is that beyond the abortion thing, most Catholics I know are actually Democrats.
Funny…
TRex @ 224
Happiness is waking up the next morning and finding out two of your *favorite peeples* have riffed on a comment you wrote in Late Night.
Well, I guess that’s the last time the Edwards campaign can use Lipton Onion Dip at their campaign office if they don’t want to feel the wrath of Bill Donohue again.
The IRS form 3949A mentioned above is remarkably easy to fill out. Take the time to fill out the .pdf file and e-mail it to taxforms@irs.gov .
With enough complaints, the IRS can give this evil slug “Goebbels” Donahue a hard time.
I’m Catholic and if my church continues to support this piece of human garbage, they can forget about any more money from me.
Whoa-whoa-whoa, WTF, when is Donahue going after Mara Vanderslice now?
I thought Vanderslice was one of the “consultants” trying to help Democrats “get” religion. So what’s Donahue’s problem with her? That she has a vagina and only MEN should be helping Dems become Theocrats Lite?
12string NC @ 256
Actually, this piece is correct as it was written, not as you corrected it. The sentence reads “it seems all he has to do to get on TV is show up at the studio and it is lights, camera, action…”
When in doubt about using an apostrophe, try saying the sentence using the uncontracted form of the word (the one with the apostrophe). If it makes sense as two words, use an apostrophe. If not, don’t.
The trouble with the rightwingnut group is they have no sense of humor. They just don’t get sarcasm, jokes, or wit. Instead they imagine all sorts of evil conspiracies, slurs and slanders and miss the point entirely.
The rightwingnuts couldn’t see past a couple of f-words to discover the sarcasm in the bloggers comments, as they couldn’t see the sarcasm in her comments regarding the holy spirit’s juicy juices, or anything else she said.
The onion dip is yet another example. No matter what your faith, if you take communion – I’m sure everyone has wished at times for something, anything to flavor those awful wafers with!
To all rightwingnuts – LIGHTEN UP!!!