
(Photo by Lauren Shay/AP via Newsweek. Rove's button says "I'm a SOURCE, not a TARGET." We know he was a source for Novak, but was he a good one for the FBI as well?)
CNN is reporting that Karl Rove is not likely to take the stand in the Libby trial, according to "two witnesses close to the defense." [Read: Likely Mark Corallo -- Barbara Comstock's GOP CYA/PR firm partner, and former/current/no one is certain on that one spokesperson for Rove's legal team; and Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney.] As CNN says:
Just last month, Rove and presidential counselor Dan Bartlett received subpoenas informing them they could be called to testify. A flurry of reports circulated suggesting that the White House aides might be forced to provide testimony damaging to the president.
Libby's attorneys refused to comment on whether Rove would testify, but Rove's legal team has been told at this point not to expect it, the sources said.
Libby's attorneys could still change their minds, but a source close to Rove said the White House official has been told that his chances of being called as a defense witness are between "zero and nil."
Hmmm…perhaps one of those sources is Rover himself, given how he enjoys planting tidbits among his newsy pals. As Digby puts it:
Far be for me to infer that Novak and Rove might have colluded. (And it doesn't appear to be a crime, if they did.) But it should be a political scandal that ruins Bob Novak's "reputation" as any sort of reliable journalist.Remember this article in the LA Times?
In one White House conversation, investigators have learned, Rove was asked why he was focused so intently on discrediting the former diplomat.
"He's a Democrat," Rove said, citing Wilson's campaign contributions. By that time, Wilson had begun advising Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign.
Let's not forget the Rove dimension in all this. He may not have committed a crime because he may not have known that Plame was undercover. And Fitzgerald ultimately decided that he couldn't prove lied under oath. But he most certainly was in on the smear job with Cheney and his motive wasn't even covering his own ass. His motive was simple character assasination of a Democrat. It's what he does.
Indeed. As Novak himself described his relationship with Rove during his own testimony yesterday: "I wouldn't call him a good friend. I would call him a very good source," Novak said of Rove. "I talked to him two or three times a week at that point."
Well, isn't that cozy?
In an otherwise overwrought piece about the Libby indictment in Newsweek back in early November 2005, there was a little noticed bit on the final page of the article that I want to bring to everyone's attention this morning:
Interestingly, Rove may be an important witness for Libby. According to a source familiar with Rove's testimony, who declined to be identified disclosing grand-jury information, Libby told Rove that he had heard about Wilson from Tim Russert. This squares with what Libby himself told the grand jury and suggests that Libby's story was at least consistent—not cooked up to mislead the Feds. Of course, Fitzgerald may just argue that Libby was lying to Rove, too.
Libby's trial, which may be a year away, promises to offer more glimpses into one of the most secretive administrations in modern times. Cheney may be called as a witness. If so, a jury—and the American public—will get a chance to decide if the conversations between those two guardians served the republic—or shamed it. (emphasis mine)
If the defense is not calling Rove to the stand, it means one of two things: (1) this cover story told to the gullible reporters at Newsweek held water about as well as a rusty sieve, and because Rove already spilled his guts to Fitzgerald and the grand jury about exactly where and when he and Scooter and everyone else learned about Valerie Plame Wilson, and Team Libby now knows it, we won't see Rove on the stand; or (2) after Ted Wells' finger pointing at Rove during his opening statement in this case, Team Libby has decided a snake on the stand isn't worth any risk, whether or not this little fantastical saga planted in the pages of Newsweek has any validity whatsoever (which I doubt — see (1)). Either way, it looks like Rove and Scooter are about as tight as…(well, I shouldn't say it in an early morning posting, but you fill in the blank).
Fetid little group of malignant pals, isn't it?
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Mars, bitches!
Good morning, Christi.
As they say in East Texas, “You can wrestle in the mud with a pig, but eventually you figure out the pig likes it.”
Mornin’, CHS!
It’s snowing like heck here in Columbus again…probably headed your way.
Morning all — we got snow again last night. The Peanut’s preschool is cancelled. The only great thing about this morning is that I managed to refill my bird feeders last night before the snow started…and there’s hot coffee. How’s everyone else this morning? (Oh, and Thunder, thanks for the heads up on more snow…glad I got an extra gallon of milk yesterday.)
g’morning to you too christy, and all firedogs visiting the lake
this is my choice…I’ve been saying rove had to roll over to avoid indictment from the very first day he wasn’t named
This is egregious, reporting to you from the media room at Prettyman Courthouse.
egregious @ 5
this is perris, jumping up and down waiving to eggregious here at the lake of fire and dogs
Btw the poodles were amazing.
Snow, sleet, and ice for us, yuck. If we’re going to have a mess, I wish it could at least be snow.
wut’s the agenda today?…who are we looking forward to seeing on the stand?
“It’s snowing like heck here in Columbus again…probably headed your way.” Definitely headed this way. Snow day today and tomorrow. Major lurkage on FDL/Libby Central.
Christy et al,
The liveblogging of this trial has been a real education for those of us not in the legal profession. I wish the transcripts plus your comments could be published as a handbook for high school civics classes. It is simply wonderful to watch our legal system working in real time, seeing how the judge and lawyers argue over how to keep testimony on points at issue, seeing how the evidence is tested by adversarial questioning, listening to the sidebars, and watching Fitzgerald’s mind at work.
Thank you so much for this experience.
egregious @
5
Hey, you got there early, huh? We haven’t left yet. Be there in 20 minutes or so.
Are they treating you nicely? You’re probably the only one there right now.
Finished “Anatomy of Deceit” late last night. If anyone posting here needs clarification on the background and context of the Libby trial, don’t bother w/anything else- read this book.
Just ordered another copy to gift to a friend. Wonderful job of citizen journalism, Marcy!
Mornin’ Christy and Firedogs,
egregious !!!
go lassie go !!!
for those new to the lake, egregious has done fabulous work live blogging in the past here – lookin’ forward to it gal
A nice guy from Fox introduced himself. Someone at the front right said a salt truck hit a bridge on NY and is blocking a lot of traffic. Salt everywhere, maybe you are supposed to pick up enough for your own street.
crikey ! are Swopa and egy gonna be in the same courthouse ??? look out boy !
I met JH and MW last night with my sign, “Will
WorkBlog for Food”Courtroom lights on, a woman is moving across the screen perhaps setting things up. A man in a striped tie is there. I can’t see their faces.
egreg – are you going to be live-blogging over at your place?
Oh – and g’mornin’ all.
Weather is an absolute mess in Indy this morning – authorities are saying that if you don’t have to go out, please stay home.
Well, if you insist – I guess I can find
something to dosomeplace to hang out on-line all day. Heh.North Korea shuts down nukes.
See, we don’t talk to bad people. Cuz they’re bad, see.
How soon will BushCo be taking credit for this?
ha! and you, not even a big lipped blonde !
I think we would do well not to paint everyone at Fox with the same brush. We can disagree with the policies of their management without vilifying individual reporters. We’re good at asking other people to be fair, and we need to set a good example.
Tell me more about the poodles!!
Oh please….
Is it ever the time…
To look at Right-Wing Valentine’s Day Cards?
so when do we start our roots project getting marcy’s book to all politicians
I want both democrats and republicans to get a copy too
A quick post before making my way to work:
“Observe the snow“.
Re where I’m blogging, it will be here in the comments for now, possibly up top later if I behave myself. I might do a short summary for egregiousBlog this evening.
gawd Mr. Attaturk – there aren’t any nekkid, hot tubbing Jonah’s or Grover’s in that link are there ?? after that last time . . .
perris @
4
So have I, though looseheadprop still held, last I heard, that the only word we had for this was Rove’s own attorney, who LHP didn’t think could be trusted to tell the truth.
Rove has a built-in advantage over Cheney when dealing with Fitz, in that his scalp isn’t as valuable as Cheney’s. If Rove’s in a jam, he can save himself by selling out Cheney to Fitzgerald, whereas Cheney doesn’t have anyone to sell whose scalp is worth more than his — not unless he sells out Bush, which Ain’t Gonna Happen.
The poodles have very individual personalities. They will come up and ask for attention very nicely and look at you with their beautiful poodle eyes until you respond. They love each other. They are high energy, well, not in a manic spaniel sense, just spirited. I can see why Jane was eager to bring them here.
morning all… is there coffee yet?
Phoenix Woman @ 29
cheney has absolutely no loyalty, not to his party, not to the president, certainly not to our country…and if selling bush out would get him off he would do it in a second
the thing is, selling bush out won’t help him one stitch and THAT’S the ONLY reason he’s not selling bush out already
Got a nice hot potta java up here for ya in MA, OldCoastie #31 — go FDL :)
cbl threadkiller @ 28
For once, no disgusting pictures.
That is all I can promise.
egregious @
5
Thanks for being our eyes and ears there, eg.
We’re looking forward to learning, and learning!
Morning,
Knut at 11
I’ve been following the trial, and it is an education like no other that Pach, EW, Swopa and all of FDL commentators are sharing with this Montrealer. I have to say that this is the best thing that has happened to me in 07. FDL will be in my life for a while, thank you all infinitely for the trip.
thanks, S.O.S. (holds out cup)… I don’t think Cheney is afraid of anybody – he’ll get his fixers to take care of things.
Thanks Attaturk, always enjoy your work : )
(pours, offers crm&sug) Yah #37, once a gutless coward with “other priorities,” always a gutless coward with “other priorities…”
Can’t wait to readjer flying fingers, egregious!
While waiting for court folks, you might like to do the following – from a PDA email:
National Call-In Day Tuesday, Feb. 13 — House Begins Debate on Iraq
Cut off funding of the occupation: Vote no on supplemental appropriations. Don’t escalate the war into Iran ”
On Tuesday, Feb 13, the U.S. House will begin debate on Iraq. This provides anti-war forces an opportunity to let our voices be heard. Please call your Congressmember and tell them to end the Occupation of Iraq and stop funding war.
All calls are being directed through the Capitol switchboard (202)224-3121. When you place the call, ask for your senators’ and/or representative’s office.
off to work, catch all L8ter
is it just me or has FDL been stuck in the toobz for a while. Been trying to get the page for a half hour to no avail and now it’s up.
RevDeb, no, had no trouble from here – but it happened to me and no one else last Saturday night
RevDeb – working OK on this end…
From here, RevDeb #42, loox like the prob is local to you; FDL’s OK 4 me. Hope it clears up 4 U be4 things hot up during testimony later…
cbl @ 43
hhhhmmmmmm don’t know what to think about this. Gremlins? Every other site was working fine with no problems. Just FDL.
Thanks all. It does seem to be working fine now.
Bracing for the snow/sleet storm a coming. Driving home from the Cape tonight rather than tomorrow.
Balrog @ 19
It’ll be interesting to see how they handle it, since it’s basically straight-up evidence that five years of trash talk and threats were completely ineffective and wrong. And then there’s this:
John Bolton, once again embodying everything wrong with “conservative” foreign policy!
Gawd I love it when we make fun of non-onliners by referring to “the internetS,” “The Google,” and “the toobz” … ROTFLOL
A sad night in Salt Lake City, a teen gunman with a shotgun killed 5 and wounded many more.
Just walked past Wells, then Libby and entourage. When you are reading about them you kind of think it’s a story and forget they are flesh and blood humans.
Unfortunately I feel a lot of people here in Washington think of others as unreal.
Dick Cavett [this morning on Imus] speaks for me:
“I hope there’s a hell for each of the sons of bitches that started this war.”
eg – it must be so interesting!
The folks in the media room are so friendly. Jibes about rival news agencies. Jokes about our terrible working conditions. Actually the working conditions are great, thank you to the people at the courthouse who set up this lovely room with a large screen and wifi.
egregious #50 … which is why they won’t go to their funerals or allow the rest of us to see and honor their flag-draped caskets when they arrive at Dover, MD.
Prairie Sunshine @ 51
Did you hear Imus say he’s a fan of the Huffington Post? He’s a hard guy to figure out, imo.
-31 wind chill in Fargo this morning. Can that be right?
Waiting for the white HOT blogging to start. Thanks, you girls.
This is how Valerie’s identity was confirmed, wasn’t it? Up until the discovery that their contribution was reattributed by someone, somewhere, because the original amount was in excess of FEC maximum allowable, the situation was different.
Besides that, the information was in different sources but not easily connectable. The logical explanation is that was done by a direct-mail, data-mining expert…hey!…Rove is one of those guys.
More people are in the courtroom. No one I recognize. Guess they’re not starting at the crack of 9! But it’s usually 9:30 I think.
I’m so excited I can hardly breathe.
Microphone check. More noise.
egregious @ 58
hey…congratulations on your spot at the table there.
Good morning everyone. I thought the name of CHS’s post was very apropos for my house–stomach bug here and my little guy has had a lot of fetid business in his diaper and unfortunately seeping out of his diaper.
Just read Jane and EW’s wrap-up and watched the great video. It all helped b/c I really didn’t get to read the live blogging yesterday. I wonder if the jury is buying any of this defenese strategy–if I didn’t leak to X and Y, then I couldn’t possibly have leaked to Z. My philosophy professor would have called it an illogical syllogism.
The two people who were here before me were the guy from Fox and a guy from CNN. Media room filling up a little.
LOL. . . easy, eg.
I have to do bidness today, gang, but I’ll check in later. I did see yesterday’s doings but did not really have more to add that was not already offered. I hurried home so as to be nowhere near Novak come nightfall.
Speculation about who will testify. There are contingency plans for media space if the Vice President comes, but people view it as not very likely.
Yea, he’s a total panderer. He loves NASCAR, Lieberman and Santorum, Dodd, MoDo, Frank Rich, and anyone who is hip or very wealthy. Before his JAR wasn’t circling the drain, Imus liked DeadEye.
Imus is a decent disk jockey and he’s got a guy named Rob Bartlett on the show who is pretty funny imho.
Marcy is here. Jane is parking the car.
egregious @ 59
{{{ egregious }}}
How cool is this! I’ll be looking forward to your perspective. Go get ‘em Goddess. Hope you make it into the evening vlog so we can all see your compassionate eyes that our hearts already recognize and resonate to.
egregious — Just so you know, there are some media organizations that are really strict about their news folks talking with other news folks while covering a story. So be careful about reporting any conversations in the newsroom without being certain that you aren’t jeopardizing someone’s job. Just FYI.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
What Christy said.
What is Dick Cavett doing this days?
Morning ‘dogs! Getting buried with snow here, so it will be a good day to huddle up with the live blog…go Egregious!
Even Clarence Darrow couldn’t get Libby off at this point.
Phoenix Woman @ 29
Why not? Bush is a lame duck. A drag on the GOP right now and a laughing stock. Some paper I read this AM (WaPo?) has an Al QUadia muckety muck calling Shrub a drunk, a gambler and a liar. The guy must read US opinion polls.
Tossing Shrub under the bus would help Rove, but the only remedy would be impeachment which Darling Nancy took off the table. So, all that would happen is a little embrassment. Like anyone would even notice at this point?
DOn’t ask me to tell, but I know of at least one example, totally unrelated to this, where Rove did something that I thought was a real diservice to Shrub (both short and long term, because he was more concerned with what he thought was good for the GOP. And this was before the second term election when Shrub still had some milage in him!
Rove a party man, not a Bush family retainer. And above all, a rank coward. He would never sacrifice himself the way Libby is doing.
I don’t hunt animals but right about now I’d consider tracking down that lyin’ groundhog that predicted an early Spring.
John Casper @ 66:
Imus loves Harold Ford Jr. too. And John Kerry. And John McCain.
did he single out Mr. Imus’ fave senator from CT. ?
let’s not forget his love for former (tee-hee) Senator Man on Dog
Gooo egregious — and oh, by the way, that deal with North Korea? Wait for it, this is just a bright shiney object to prove that Bush isn’t a war monger. But there are probably secret hurdles NK will have to jump (and which they will reject much to Bush’s and bolton’s relief), and then we will back to all those bad, bad countries doing bad, bad things.
Back in grade school there was a response to taunting — “I know I am, but what are you” spring to mind. They accuse everyone of doing the exact thing Bush is doing.
Yah, I know, not new, been said many times before about this crew, but it is true in spades. Putin is not a nice man, but he does speak the truth sometimes when he talks about bush. Bush has no worries there either, because Bush has seen his heart and they are soul brothers. True words, that.
Just popped in from some shoveling work outside — another possibly good title for this post RANCID The Pair of Them! Man what a waste of skin.
Imus also said this a.m. he thought Russert was lying about not knowing about Plame before the Novak column came out. With friends like these . . .
whodda thunk Imus was such a big bundle of love?
OK – time to hit the showers – it’s gonna be an interesting day!
along with the 20% shift differential (ah, union work)one of the bonuses of mr cbl now working nights is never having to hear Imus drone on as I shuffle to the coffeepot every morning
Eg,
I am so excited for you. It is weird isn’t it when you finally see the people you have only read about in th e flesh?
And they seem so normal and average in person!
The first time I was ever interviewed for network TV, I was astounded by how not “diva” ish the lives of the people I saw on TV every night were. It was jsut work, like any other work.
It looks to me like the ‘defense’ is just mailing it in. They are doing just enough so as not to appear to be conceding guilt.
I hope I am wrong. A zealous defense would be so much more interesting.
The game will be to try to run the clock on Scooter’s incarceration until after the November 2008 election. They probably have enough of a record and money to do that.
Gotta
Go to work now. OWrked past midneght every night last week and got slammed yesterday with a whole new bunch of motions and worked late last night and likely every night this week.
It’s a good thing I love being a lawyer, cause if I didn’t this would really suck
old gold @ 85
I think so too
Good Morning Prof. Prop,
would love at some point to hear you and some of the other legal eagles impressions of just what the hell Mr. Wells is up to – just seems so slapdash and very unWells like – I understand professionalism and ethics may preclude your doing so, but even us non lawyers are struck by his performance to date
Hey, egregious! doin’ great, there.
Imus isn’t haqrd to figure out. He’s like a real lowbrow Joe Klein without brains. He sees and hears the change in the currents. He knows how many calls come in to his show that don’t get past the screeners. For years he and they shut progressives out. Now, practically nobody calls to back up the Bushista loonies. He has to deal with the phone content that comes in. Nothing more than a basic survival instinct at work there. He’d turn on us or anybody at the drop of a faux cowboy hat.
old gold (85) — Scooter is signed up for the pokey and he knows it. He’s going to serve his term because he’s the only firewall they have right now. He can’t get a pardon because he’d be compelled to testify in front of Congress without the benefit of pleading the Fifth. So they are trying to do a couple of things: first, make it look like he got a defense, and secondly, set up for an appeal where possible. Thirdly, do it on the cheap since the balance of the defense fund will ultimately become Scooter’s door prize for being so cooperative and helpful as DeadEye’s firewall.
DeadEye may retire suddenly and leave for a country that doesn’t extradite readily. And the ranch in Paraguay will be occupied by January 2009.
On with the “spaghetti defense.”
Talk about pals…after thinking about Woodward’s conversation with Armitage and Bob’s dissing of the whole Plame outing publicly as just some gossip prior to letting people know he was intimately involved and received a leak…after hearing those tape recordings of him and Armitage, it just firmed up my opinion of him of lacking any shred of integrity. He’s a Kewl Kid hack..period! I mean if this was just idle gossip that Armitage just mildly dropped in innocence, that tape recording made it clear it was anything but! Even minus the drunken sailor talking good ole boys language, Armitage mentioned 3 times that Wilson’s wife was involved as an analyst in the agency/wmd’s in that short clip that was played. Just look here at the transcript even without the assistance of hearing the audiotape where one can hear the urgency and tone of voice in Armitage’s speaking, you can just tell that ARmitage thinks this is urgent/important information. He mentions it 3 times!
Armitage: “His wife’s a [expletive] analyst at the agency.”
Woodward: “It’s still weird.”
Armitage: It’s perfect . . . she is a WMD analyst out there.”
Woodward: “Oh, she is.”
Armitage: “Yeah.
Woodward: “Oh, I see.”
Armitage: “[Expletive] look at it.”
Woodward: “Oh I see. I didn’t [expletive] . . .”
Armitage: “His wife is in the agency and is a WMD analyst. How about that [expletive]?”
Even Bob admits after hearing the expletive deleted tape recording that the whole thing had more fire with the expletives in it. Hello bob, Fire compared to idle gossip…Armitage’s hair was on fire telling you this info. Armitage did everything here to connect the dots and pratically spelled it out for Bob about how significant this piece of information was. He was begging Bob to do something with this information.
I wish Fitz had Bob on the record commenting about that recording more specifically, but I realize it really was irrelevant to the charges against perjury against Scooter.
I can’t wait for the civil suit…all this stuff will be used I hope.
My only brush with Imus (other than the fact that I started listening to Howard Stern in 1983 and Imus’s act was tired back then) is that I knew a girl in HS who claims she beat up Imus’s daughter in grade school.
Agh!! How am I going to concentrate on work this morning!?!?
Boot me out of here!! Will have to check on you after noon EST and at beerthirty. Behave!!
Back when Armitage first came up in this case I warned you guys he’s a longtime snake in the grass. Nothing has changed my opinion. Totenberg speculated this morning about him on the stand….?
Ed*ard Teller @ 94
A few details as we wait?
Unless I miss my guess and IANAL ( tho it helps to actually work in a Law Office!), but isn’t the fact that “Sealed v. Sealed” exists evidence of an indictment? If they weren’t going to indict Rover there would be no need to file anything, not even a Motion.
How do you like them apples. From The Politico.com:
Live blog is available upstairs.
fingers of fire upstairs
jeffreyw @ 95
I’m going to leave before it gets busy at the lake. Armitage, Dick Secord and two others were the four in charge of moving the main CIA drug ops from Bangkok to Panama City. That’s only the beginning. He earned his chops brokering the deal that put Kum Sa in charge of the Golden Triangle.
Imus was already tired and lame in ‘83, Twisted Martini in 93, you are correct. He fried his brains in the ’70s abusing many different substances. Got hisself arrested once for taking a leak in a public phone booth while out of his mind on something or other. The fact that 2 out of his 3 brain cells still function is the reason he can keep up the fiction of being mildly entertaining.
It is unfortunate for the Nation that we will never know what happened during the last week of the Special Grand Jury, nor will we ever know what testimony Rove gave, what the grand jury decided, and what deal Rove cut with Fitzgerald.
Cranky
Ed*ard Teller @ 89
He seems to be doing his best to canned from his am MSNBC spot too. He’s tearing at Abrams and the others as a taunt, seemingly daring them to yank his show. I’d say ok.
> but isn’t the fact that “Sealed v.
> Sealed” exists evidence of an indictment?
That “Sealed vs. Sealed” could be anything from the indictment of a low-level pot dealer being held in confidence as part of a witness protection scheme to an actual case of national security-related terrorism [1]. There is no indication that it had any connection to Treasongate.
Cranky
[1] Given the Bush Administration’s competence in this area, probably not, but you never know.
Am I too simple minded to grasp the nuances or is the “It-never-occurred-to-me-that-the-identi ty-of-someone-working-at-the-CIA-might-b e-classified-and-I-shouldn’t-be-talking- about-her-to-every-Tom,-Dick-and-Harry-t hat-might-listen!” defense utterly RIDICULOUS?! I mean I am but a lowly bookkeeper, a worker bee; but I am smart enough to realize that should I know the identity of a CIA employee that I shouldn’t be spreading that information like so much celebrity gossip. Come on! These guys expect us to believe they are smart enough to lead the nation into war, to govern and to “fix” the ills of the nation. But they also want to claim stupidity as a defense when it suits their needs?
BS. Pure, fresh off the farm . . . . .BS!
Look closely at the pic of Rove and Novak.It is obvious why Rove and Novak have been joined at the hip all these years.Rove is Novak’s bastard son.
Thanks Christy. I feel better already. Rove just can’t wait to get his little prick into the next asshole-jamboree.
….Having a heavy offensive smell. Like pig shit, no?