Well, Libby didn’t tell Pincus, so maybe Libby didn’t tell everyone, and maybe Andrea is right about the info being out there.

Of course Andrea’s right. That’s the point, DeadEye and Rove were leaking anti-Wilson stuff ever since Kristoff’s 6 May 2003 article. Scooter isn’t the only leaker. He’s just the only one who lied about it to the FBI and the GJ.

Agreed. This case isn’t about leaking. It’s about lying.

But I still have my suspicions that Armitage has lied, conspiring with some of the other usual suspects to obfuscate everything by falling on his sword and claiming to be the first one who “inadvertently” leaked about Plame and then feeling bad about it afterward. The timing of his “confession” was just a bit too convenient – about the time Rove appeared about to be indicted.

I just don’t buy it. I could be wrong, but my gut tells me there is more to it. I see conspiracy written all over that…

Also, the first one who leaks doesn’t let everyone else off the hook. The section of the US Code isn’t written that way.

“The person I was calling suddenly swerved off and said . . . ‘Don’t you know, in effect, his wife works at the CIA, is an analyst on weapons of mass destruction?’ ” Pincus testified. He told the court that the source said, “That’s why people aren’t paying attention” to Wilson’s findings that the Iraq reports were unfounded, because he had been sent on the mission by his wife.

Asked by defense attorney William Jeffress Jr. whether his source had been Libby, Pincus replied that he had not. Asked who the source was, Pincus replied: “Ari Fleischer.”

Under cross-examination by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald, Pincus said that Fleischer did not tell him the person from whom he had learned about Plame. Fleischer said during the trial that he had been told by Libby, over a lunch in a White House dining hall.

The WaPo doesn’t, though, go into what Fitz got from Ari on the nature of this info from Libby – that Ari was quite certain that Libby gave no signs to Ari that the info was not available for dissemination.

BUT all this has nothing at all to do with whether Libby lied to the FBI or the GJ. Libby said that Russert told him. What Pincus was told by Ari is of no consequence to the case.

If this is the best Wells has, there is no defense case – other than appealing to some Bush-implanted Appeals Court.

I think it’s important to know the people that you’re dealing with and their history… I know that Walter Pincus has been one of the “journalists” that has been in the forefront on delivering the “juciest” tidbits and has been the “go to” journalist for much of the new stuff that has come out on Plamegate…. so with that in mind, it’s time to look at his bio.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/MDpincus.htm

then maybe an honest juror might entertain a reasonable doubt about Tim’s credibility.

What evidence do you have that some of the jurors are dishonest?

WRT Russert’s credibility, you don’t find swans swimming in the sewer. The only reason Russert’s testimony is relevant is because Scooter says he “forgot” after his notes show DeadEye told him about Plame on June 12. A juror would have to “buy” Scooter’s testimony about forgetting, before Journalist’s credibility (there’s an oxymoron) becomes an issue.

It doesn’t sound as though you have bought emptywheel’s book yet.

Ann in AZ @ 29
I must be really dense because I don’t see how it helps Libby that he didn’t tell Pincus, since he told Ari with the intention that Ari would share the info with Pincus and any other journalist that would print it. Was he charged with lying about telling Pincus?
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Bob M. @ 57
I think it shows that the info is out there and there might be other ways that Russert might have heard it. It goes to impeach Russert.
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Frank Probst @ 59
Perhaps, but in order to truly impeach Russert, he has to connect the information to Russert. Instead, he’s connected it to Ari, who says he got his information from Libby. That impeaches Libby, not Russert.
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Bob M. @ 62
If Andrea’s first statement was correct, that “it was widely known”, and she works closely with Tim, then maybe an honest juror might entertain a reasonable doubt about Tim’s credibility.

That’s a big “if”.

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Well, Libby didn’t tell Pincus, so maybe Libby didn’t tell everyone, and maybe Andrea is right about the info being out there.

Of course Andrea’s right. That’s the point, DeadEye and Rove were leaking anti-Wilson stuff ever since Kristoff’s 6 May 2003 article. Scooter isn’t the only leaker. He’s just the only one who lied about it to the FBI and the GJ.

Bob M. @ 57

Ann in AZ @
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I must be really dense because I don’t see how it helps Libby that he didn’t tell Pincus, since he told Ari with the intention that Ari would share the info with Pincus and any other journalist that would print it. Was he charged with lying about telling Pincus?

I think it shows that the info is out there and there might be other ways that Russert might have heard it. It goes to impeach Russert.

Perhaps, but in order to truly impeach Russert, he has to connect the information to Russert. Instead, he’s connected it to Ari, who says he got his information from Libby. That impeaches Libby, not Russert.

If Andrea’s first statement was correct, that “it was widely known”, and she works closely with Tim, then maybe an honest juror might entertain a reasonable doubt about Tim’s credibility.

Ann in AZ @
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I must be really dense because I don’t see how it helps Libby that he didn’t tell Pincus, since he told Ari with the intention that Ari would share the info with Pincus and any other journalist that would print it. Was he charged with lying about telling Pincus?

I think it shows that the info is out there and there might be other ways that Russert might have heard it. It goes to impeach Russert.

Impeach? Wrong.