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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502683</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502002&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 24 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;From last thread, correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Woodward say Armitage identified “Wilson’s wife” as an analyst which might suggest WINPAC or at least something non-operational while Novak is saying that Armitage was saying she was CPD, which would be operational and almost certainly covert? Do I remember correctly and isn’t this a discrepancy?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It might mean that Armitage got an “corrected” bit of info on VALERIE.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t see where in all of this stuff where Armitage may have learned her name?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If HE ALSO went out of the way to look her name up in Who’s Who then it wasn’t simply a bit of “trivia” that he was passing on by “mistake”…as he implied to Grossman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Novak isn’t lying then Armitage is in trouble…TWO incidents of leaking AND actually “seeking out” more info on “Wilson’s wife” to tell Novak.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Libby had a June 6th meeting with Armitage listed in his schedule.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-502002"><em>Hugh @ 24 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>From last thread, correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Woodward say Armitage identified “Wilson’s wife” as an analyst which might suggest WINPAC or at least something non-operational while Novak is saying that Armitage was saying she was CPD, which would be operational and almost certainly covert? Do I remember correctly and isn’t this a discrepancy?</p>
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<p>It might mean that Armitage got an “corrected” bit of info on VALERIE.</p>
<p>I can’t see where in all of this stuff where Armitage may have learned her name?</p>
<p>If HE ALSO went out of the way to look her name up in Who’s Who then it wasn’t simply a bit of “trivia” that he was passing on by “mistake”…as he implied to Grossman.</p>
<p>If Novak isn’t lying then Armitage is in trouble…TWO incidents of leaking AND actually “seeking out” more info on “Wilson’s wife” to tell Novak.</p>
<p>Libby had a June 6th meeting with Armitage listed in his schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502598</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502076&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Redshift @&lt;br /&gt;
                81              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502028&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;stingray @ 43&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why did the defense call him as a witness.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502012&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @ 30&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;TPhilip @ 22:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The question remains: Why did the defense call him as a witness.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To get to when his column hit the AP wire. I guess so they can argue Russert knew when he talked to Libby, and he told Libby about the wife, and Libby heard it “as if it were new” - just like his GJ testimony?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you’ve nailed it! They were trying to introduce the idea (speculatively, of course) how “the press” could have the information before Novak’s column was published, to try to undermine Fitz’s timeline. All you have to do is accept that news organizations would violate the publication embargo and pass stuff around to everyone in the press, including their competitors!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, to say they learned it from Novak’s column would seem to imply the version the public first saw in print when it could’ve been the embargoed version not yet public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That would explain it. Now, can Wells provide ANY evidence of it? Can he question Andrea “Heather” Mitchell or some other reporter who’ll support that view?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then, can they provide ANY evidence that Libby had forgotten and then heard it anew from Timmeh?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s far-fetched.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All-in-all the defense seems to be, “Let’s show the whole damn conspiracy and embarass the White House into providing us a pardon to shut us up.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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                81              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-502028"><em>stingray @ 43</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Why did the defense call him as a witness.<br />
<a href="#comment-502012"><em>Biodun @ 30</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>TPhilip @ 22:</p>
<p>The question remains: Why did the defense call him as a witness.</p>
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<p>To get to when his column hit the AP wire. I guess so they can argue Russert knew when he talked to Libby, and he told Libby about the wife, and Libby heard it “as if it were new” &#8211; just like his GJ testimony?</p>
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<p>I think you’ve nailed it! They were trying to introduce the idea (speculatively, of course) how “the press” could have the information before Novak’s column was published, to try to undermine Fitz’s timeline. All you have to do is accept that news organizations would violate the publication embargo and pass stuff around to everyone in the press, including their competitors!</p>
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<p>So, to say they learned it from Novak’s column would seem to imply the version the public first saw in print when it could’ve been the embargoed version not yet public.</p>
<p>That would explain it. Now, can Wells provide ANY evidence of it? Can he question Andrea “Heather” Mitchell or some other reporter who’ll support that view?</p>
<p>Then, can they provide ANY evidence that Libby had forgotten and then heard it anew from Timmeh?</p>
<p>It’s far-fetched.</p>
<p>All-in-all the defense seems to be, “Let’s show the whole damn conspiracy and embarass the White House into providing us a pardon to shut us up.”</p>
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		<title>By: monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does anybody have a theory on why Armitage called Novak out of the blue? Why does Armitage go from refusing to return Novak’s calls to revealing  the identity of a undercover agent in zero seconds flat?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Something doesn’t seem right here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody have a theory on why Armitage called Novak out of the blue? Why does Armitage go from refusing to return Novak’s calls to revealing  the identity of a undercover agent in zero seconds flat?</p>
<p>Something doesn’t seem right here.</p>
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		<title>By: Tap Duncan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502430</link>
		<dc:creator>Tap Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know this might seem late in the game, but I would urge all FDL fans that live in the Chicago area to write to the editors of the Chicago Sun Times and demand Novaks’ termination, or at least threaten to cancel your subscriptions. It’s what I did and I feel a whole lot better, believe me. This man was complicit in a breach of national security and needs to be held ACCOUNTABLE. Recently they decided to forego the publication of their weekly television guide, but w/ reader feedback decided to re-instate the publishing of it. So at least we know they DO listen. Let’s gang up on them and make a change for the better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this might seem late in the game, but I would urge all FDL fans that live in the Chicago area to write to the editors of the Chicago Sun Times and demand Novaks’ termination, or at least threaten to cancel your subscriptions. It’s what I did and I feel a whole lot better, believe me. This man was complicit in a breach of national security and needs to be held ACCOUNTABLE. Recently they decided to forego the publication of their weekly television guide, but w/ reader feedback decided to re-instate the publishing of it. So at least we know they DO listen. Let’s gang up on them and make a change for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: melior</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502427</link>
		<dc:creator>melior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aw, I wish they would ask him about blabbing to anonymous strangers on the street.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, I wish they would ask him about blabbing to anonymous strangers on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502422</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502414&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 119 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
And just what firms/organizations/countries does Mr. Holt lobby for?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is a good question.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-502414"><em>cinnamonape @ 119 </em></a></p>
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And just what firms/organizations/countries does Mr. Holt lobby for?</p>
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<p>That is a good question.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502414</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502357&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 115 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;W Rick Holt. Who is Rick Holt.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Novackula: A lobbyist and a close friend. I talk to him every day.&lt;br /&gt;
Uh huh. This testimony oozes with the essence of slime supreme. It’s an “obnoxious performance.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words is Holt “in bed with Novak”? EVERY DAY? I don’t even see my girlfriend EVERY DAY!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He doesn’t work with this guy and he’s that intimate with him?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And just what firms/organizations/countries does Mr. Holt lobby for?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-502357"><em>mui @ 115 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>W Rick Holt. Who is Rick Holt.</i></p>
<p>Novackula: A lobbyist and a close friend. I talk to him every day.<br />
Uh huh. This testimony oozes with the essence of slime supreme. It’s an “obnoxious performance.”</p>
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<p>In other words is Holt “in bed with Novak”? EVERY DAY? I don’t even see my girlfriend EVERY DAY!</p>
<p>He doesn’t work with this guy and he’s that intimate with him?</p>
<p>And just what firms/organizations/countries does Mr. Holt lobby for?</p>
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		<title>By: maddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am surprised that their hasn’t been a shortage of KY Jelly the last six years and quite frankly it is getting hard… to know the pitchers from the catchers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that their hasn’t been a shortage of KY Jelly the last six years and quite frankly it is getting hard… to know the pitchers from the catchers.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502401</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502049&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;*xyz @ 60 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-502042&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;*xyz @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What is up with the juror questions regarding Holt?  The questions seem to come from a juror who may be inclined toward the “everyone knew it” gossip theory. Thoughts?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or did this Holt question come from Wells? (this would make more sense)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Walton asked a series of follow up questions from the jurors questions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, from the non-verbatim transcript it seemed that Fitz was a bit surprised at either this (new?)information or the fact that a juror was asking it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If it was “new” information (and if it wasn’t then why didn’t Wells “use” it in his - “maybe it leaked out to Russert” argument) then it suggests that Novak perhaps &lt;b&gt;DISSEMBLED&lt;/b&gt; in his Grand Jury testimony.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if that means that Fitz may be considering perjury charges for Novak at this very moment?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-502042"><em>*xyz @ 53</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What is up with the juror questions regarding Holt?  The questions seem to come from a juror who may be inclined toward the “everyone knew it” gossip theory. Thoughts?</p>
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<p>Or did this Holt question come from Wells? (this would make more sense)</p>
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<p>Walton asked a series of follow up questions from the jurors questions.</p>
<p>Actually, from the non-verbatim transcript it seemed that Fitz was a bit surprised at either this (new?)information or the fact that a juror was asking it.</p>
<p>If it was “new” information (and if it wasn’t then why didn’t Wells “use” it in his &#8211; “maybe it leaked out to Russert” argument) then it suggests that Novak perhaps <b>DISSEMBLED</b> in his Grand Jury testimony.</p>
<p>I wonder if that means that Fitz may be considering perjury charges for Novak at this very moment?</p>
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		<title>By: Hjalmer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/12/libby-live-novak-two/#comment-502370</link>
		<dc:creator>Hjalmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why are some of you sure that Fitzgerald has his “eye on a higher prize”?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, i hope you’re right–but I’m not sure I share your optimism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are some of you sure that Fitzgerald has his “eye on a higher prize”?  </p>
<p>Personally, i hope you’re right–but I’m not sure I share your optimism.</p>
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