
Welcome to the media room?
Consider this an open letter to the reporters covering the Lewis "Scooter" Libby perjury/obstruction of justice trial, as well as the rest of the Washington, D.C. media.
I spent Monday through Thursday of last week in your midst in the media room of the E. Barrett Prettyman courthouse, watching the trial as a credentialed blogger (representing Firedoglake, the Huffington Post, and Daily Kos). Contrary to stereotypes of bloggers "hating the media," I saw how hard you all worked, spending eight hours in the courtoom every day and then spending even more time reading exhibits and writing stories. I also saw your diligence, cross-checking facts with one another and firing off nasty looks at anyone who inadvertently interfered with your ability to hear each second of testimony.
But especially in my efforts to live-blog the trial, I also felt the crush of details that can keep journalistic observers from seeing the larger context of the topics being discussed — and, perhaps more importantly, those that are not — as well as the comfortable cocoon of conventional wisdom that can harden into a permanent concrete barrier, preventing initial convictions from ever being questioned or reconsidered.
The ironic result, I think, is that even as you're gathered together absorbing the minutiae of the Libby trial and reporting the day-to-day news as it progresses, all of you are missing a front-page/top-of-the-broadcast story that is just sitting there, waiting for whichever reporter has the initiative to nail it down. So I'm going to outline it for all of you here, in front of all your colleagues, just to see whose competitive juices get stirred up enough to complete the puzzle.
Let's start with something that, if not quite a proven fact, is a clear inference from the trial so far: Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald suspects that Vice President Dick Cheney told Libby to leak Valerie Plame Wilson's employment at the CIA to reporters during a flight aboard Air Force Two on July 12, 2003. In a post on Friday at Firedoglake, I excerpted a searing line of questioning from Libby's second grand jury appearance (in March 2004) in which Fitzgerald stacked up one reason after another why Cheney might have made such a recommendation, faced with an unexpected and unceasing media firestorm over the false intelligence behind the Iraq war.
But maybe that's not news to you — after all, isn't it implicit in Libby's subsequent calls to Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, during which he discussed Plame? Then again, consider this: both Cooper and Miller already had been told that Plame worked for the CIA, Cooper by Karl Rove and Miller by Libby himself. Was all that strategizing aboard Air Force Two merely devoted to telling two people something they already knew?
Now consider Libby's perverse "alibi," in which he falsely confessed to more leaking than he actually engaged in. He claimed to have told Matt Cooper independently about where Joseph Wilson's wife worked, when according to Cooper's testimony all he said was, "I've heard that too," in response to the reporter's query? He also recalled telling the same story to Judy Miller, who never wrote about the leak and whose knowledge of Plame would have remained unknown in a less aggressive investigation, and the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler, whom it appears was never leaked to at all. Why?
Libby's motive with regard to Matt Cooper is apparent: his false admission provided a convenient — and presumably intentional — cover for Karl Rove's failure to admit any conversation with Cooper. (If there really was a plan to "sacrifice" Libby to protect Rove, Scooter seems to have been a willing co-conspirator.) And evidence brought out during the trial implies a similar role for the Kessler confession.
Libby had kept and underlined passages in an October 12, 2003 Washington Post article which stated that a WaPo reporter had received a leak about Plame, along with an explanation that the White House considered her husband's trip to Niger (to investigate claims of Iraq seeking uranium) a "boondoggle" set up by her. In a passage from his grand jury testimony that inspired some mirth in the press gallery, Libby demurred from Fitzgerald's repeated hints that he might be the leaker in question, then suddenly said, come to think of it, Kessler had used the term in asking Libby about the trip. (The conversation got more hilariously strained from there.)
Scooter appears to have wanted Fitzgerald to believe that he was indeed the "leaker" described in the article, but that the context was far more innocent than reported. In fact, given that the October 12 Post story reiterated a claim from a previous article that "two top White House officials disclosed Plame's identity to least six Washington journalists," the multiple (and exaggerated) confessions by Libby seem likely to be an effort to cover for the actual leakers there just as he did with Rove. He wanted his questioners to think, "Oh, that's me, you got your man, even if there was a bit of a misunderstanding. Guess you don't need to look any further."
An enterprising reporter would take this as a challenge to, indeed, go further. For all that has been written about the Plame leak, the many of the events of July 12 are still largely a mystery — one made all the more tantalizing by the visible reluctance of Fitzgerald's prosecution to address them. For instance, the trial testimony of former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer walked up to the edge of discussing a batch of phone calls that he and fellow flack Dan Bartlett were preparing to make to reporters from Air Force One as it flew back from Africa that day… but neither side asked Ari to explain what was said during those calls, and particularly whether Valerie Plame Wilson's job at the CIA was mentioned.
Similarly, judging from the rough play-by-play at Firedoglake, it seems Judith Miller was asked next to nothing about her July 12, 2003 conversations with Libby, save for whether Plame was discussed — no context at all. And Matt Cooper, asked about his allusions to an additional source for the leak he received, stated that he was "trying to answer carefully" as he ascribed them to colleague John Dickerson. If you're a journalist, doesn't all that tiptoeing signal something that should be looked into?
Now consider those calls Fleischer didn't explain — battling a still-rising tide of press criticism, and both knowing about Plame, can there be any doubt that Ari and Dan Bartlett included her CIA connection as part of their overall case against Wilson, just as the 10/12/03 Post article says? If so, wouldn't that obviously constitute "two top White House officials disclos[ing] Plame's identity to least six Washington journalists"? And if Cheney had somehow authorized the calls in that fateful strategy session on Air Force Two, wouldn't Libby be motivated to cover them up?
Although I've expressed this theory since shortly after Libby was indicted, that's neither here nor there at this point. I'm just an amateur blogger playing sleuth, without the sources to nail down my theories as wrong or right. But now, with the evidence from the Libby trial pointing in this direction, where are the mainstream reporters chasing this potential career-making scoop?
Perhaps there's some tacit agreement or herd instinct keeping you from seeing the clues right in front of you. So, now that I'm back home and safely away from any personal backlash (hey, I never said I was brave), I hope you don't mind if I challenge your competitive instincts a little bit after laying down the leads in a venue that all of you are likely reading (or can be tipped off by someone else who is).
How about it, Carol Leonnig and Amy Goldstein? Tired of your stories appearing on pages A3 and A4 of the Washington Post? Clinching the Veep's involvement in outing a CIA agent will get you on the front page. And Neil Lewis, David Stout, and company — you're the freaking New York Times, for crying out loud! How do you want your paper to be remembered in connection with this scandal? For the immolation of Judith Miller's tattered career?
And all the rest of you — what are you waiting for? AP's Matt Apuzzo has to file multiple stories every day, by the law of averages, isn't he likely to hit this angle sooner or later? And Shuster from "Hardball" — you know Shuster's going to be all over this, right? Do you really intend to let them scoop you? (Even worse, do you intend to let some obscure blogger get away with talking smack to you like this as he points out clues you haven't followed?!)
In case you've forgotten, here's the issue again: Besides Libby's chats with Matt Cooper and Judy Miller, what other leaks of Valerie Plame Wilson's identity occurred on July 12 — the one to Walter Pincus, and what else? Did the Vice President of the United States authorize these leaks, and what evidence does special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald have to this effect?
Ladies and gentlemen, start your journalistic engines… and now, go!
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FITZ!
Ok pups, ready to Spotlight?
hey egregious! hope you’re well.
ESTEN!
TOMMY YUM!
Hey kathryn!
I’m downstairs too, musing on a possible Cheney appearance on the stand.
This is the kind of post that makes me glad I chipped in to support this effort. Out in front of the MSM pack and not afraid to lead they way. Go guys and gals go!
Bravo, swopa!
Watched Feith lie thru his teeth on Late Edition with Wolfie this weekend. Why isn’t the DOJ all over…. oh, wait….
The big lie, still shilling, is “the intelligence was wrong….” That’s how they still rationalize. But the intelligence was NOT WRONG. That’s why they had to discredit Wilson and Plame. That’s why they invented Pentagon alt-intelligence. That’s why political policy guys like Feith were creating magical intelligence.
Now if we can just find enough intelligence, if not competitive spirit, among the media so they dig into these stories instead of just buying into the Chee-knee/Rovian spin and Conventional Wisdom and stenography and Rupertainment diversions, maybe the American people will see some justice done.
It’s hard enough to lead these folks to water, do we need to teach them to drink as well.
slainte,
cl
Does anybody have a clear idea when Rockefeller will release the report on how the administration “used” intelligence in the lead-up to the war? That should force journalists to do some reporting.
You have to lead them to water, stick their face in the bucket and then punch them in the stomach too.
-GSD
GSD @
10
Sounds kinda’ Gitmo to me.
slainte,
cl
” one reason after another why Cheney might have made such a recommendation, faced (with) an unexpected and unceasing media firestorm over the false intelligence behind the Iraq war.”
(my bold)
Cheney’s desperation to keep Wilson’s opinion from gaining any traction is more proof we were lied into this war, he knew an unrelenting media firestorm would be been inevitable, Cheney just managed to postpone it until after his no-bid book-cooking buddies had their new billions.
Well, unless the blogs get busted, its never too late to start a media firestorm…
Looking forward to more historic journalism, maybe you should have a roundtable video talk, (get arriana and corn to join you) I liked the video from last week, if you could get a whole crew together and videoblog your observations, it might be quite interesting to see all our FDL staffers on screen giving their assessments of the series of events?
Swopa, how come you are limiting your speculation to whether Cheney suggested the leaks? Aren’t Rove and Bartlett in the office of POTUS, not Vice?
… seems to me there’s another issue ’round here, though it may not be relevant (yet) to the case for perjury against Libby. And that is that someone leaked not only Ms. Plame Wilson’s name and where she worked, but also the name of her “brass-plate” company.
Now I don’t give a rat’s ass about whether or not “parts of the NIE” were insta-declassified by some mythical attribute of the Preznitcy or VicePrenitcy. At any rate, IIRC they only leaked the parts that helped their twisted machinations; they “conveniently” left out other disconfirmatory parts.
But whether any sort of putative Nixon-style “insta-declassification” actually exists or not (and I am inclined to believe that it doesn’t — and even if it did, some minimal record-keeping would seem to be required, non?) there cannot be ANY right conferred by such a mythical power to commit TREASON against the United States of America by “outing” agents and their covert brass-plate organizations. Who did that, and why?
I sure hope that this issue gets a proper airing, and soon. Hopefully within the context of an impeachment hearing.
anonima at 13 — Can’t speak for Swopa, but based on the testimony elicited thus far in the trial, what has come out in testimony has specifically been about Vice President Cheney’s role. That doesn’t mean there aren’t other avenues, but testimony has pointed, thus far, at Cheney.
Caoimhin Laochdha @ 8
C’mon, I’m trying to get them to report, not give themselves hernias. :)
The jury was not allowed to hear the audio of reporters reactions to some of Scotty’s answers. Walton determined their reactions would prejudice the jury. Those reporters let Scotty know they didn’t bellieve the answers…
Reporters have been INSIDERS too long… many, many, knew, were recipients of leaks. The reporters have long been trained to play their rolls.
Remember Bush reminding reporters how difficult it is finding a leak… hint, hint
Discovery and revelation of illegal White House actions will likely have to come from younger reporters, the OUTSIDERS… David Shuster has done a good job on this. We may need to wait for a new generation of reporters before we can trust the coverage.
The old timers, however diligent today, have baggage, that they were knowledgeable early on and stood back. To reveal now, they have to admit their past omissions.
tommy yum @ 3
Yes indeedy. February with lots of lovely sunshine. Plus the trial. Things are going well, hope for continuing good news about yr son.
ROFLMAO.
Ah, Swopa, alas your all-too-brief visit to fair DC did not fully educate you to the ways of the WaPo. “Clinching the Veep’s involvement” will probably get them NO appearance ANYWHERE in the WaPo, and cement boots.
Come back, come back.
Spiro Cheney’s unitary interpretation cannot pass the mustard. If it were true Spiro Agnew would never has resgined.
He does not have precedent on his side.
What I think is under-reported reading Swopa’s trial blog is that Libby says the President himself authorized Scooter to leak to Miller (not just Cheney telling him that the President declassified the NIE etc).
I was also interested to hear, listening to the Libby tapes on C-SPAN, Fitzgerald suggest that Tenet refused to declassify something (the NIE or Plame) but the President went ahead anyway.
Fitz also suggested, in questioning Libby, that there was some wavering by Cheney about declassification – probably as Tenet opposed it and there is a process for such things.
I continue to think we need to make a greater distinction between people who knew she worked at the CIA and people who knew—or learned—that she was covert. If you live around here you know lots of people who work at the Agency. That does not translate into any kind of a right to reveal people working undercover.
Do we seriously have to spell this out to the corporate media?
Impeachment is long overdue. The damage done to our country has been compounded daily since that prewar conspiracy was formed. The lack of crucial details in the press allowed these crimes to escape scrutiny and permitted another (s)election (04) to be held without the voters having enough information to be educated voters….how’s that one workin’ out for us?
…oh yeah, there’s an issue about a war now with Iran…
I’m with you Swopa, I respect the individuals’ ethics in the press but I wonder what keeps them from fulfilling their potential.
While this administration is loath to admit mistakes, the lengths they went to in smearing Wilson and outing Plame leads me to think that there were 2 streams going on at the same time. I think Plame was a roadblock in their cooking the intelligence and she was as much a target as her husband. And, it is obvious they knew they were lying (versus making an inadvertant error), otherwise it would’ve been much easier to have Tenet take one for the team, like he eventually did, without getting any of the smelly stuff on the Pres. and VP.
Hey, what’s to keep reporters from comparing sources with each other. Since the recipients of the calls from Ari and Dan are reporters, they already have half the conversation. The reporters can still go off the record, yet still get the story. You know ANONYMOUS sources. The thing they are so good at quoting.
Plus, your explanation of Libby covering for Rove explains the sand in the Umpires eyes that Fitz was adamant about. Libby’s lies prevented justice.
The Declassification myth can be smashed entirely on the questioning of Sen. Rockefeller front he Senate INTEL Committee.
He was suppressed from discussing relevant NIE dissent in front of the war by Cheney under Patriot provisions a Gang of Four member.
If the material were declassified as claimed he would not be bound to restraint.
History is not on Cheney’s side in this argument and Wells should get slammed when Fitz decides to present this.
This is more proof that the ‘liberal media’ is simply a false construct used by Republicans to dismiss unfavorable press coverage. It’s worked for them since Nixon.
tommy yum @
9
has it even started yet? i seem to remember levin saying that on friday… hmmm.. will go look… yup, sounds like it. levin says “they have not undertaken it” (about 12 minutes in during the senate armed forces committee hearing).
lots more investigations/info to come….
Prairie Sunshine @
7
Precisely PS & well said,
And because the pre U.S. war on Iraq intelligence was rock solid, credible AND available to all of us who chose to look at it, the Bush/Cheney administration reframed the entire question into a bogus debate about WMD.
RECAP:
Bush/Cheney Problem: Solid, unambiguous & credible intelligence showing that Iraq is not a threat to the U.S.
Bush/Cheney/Neocon Solution: Change question to “Iraq has WMDs” — thus obscuring the critical fact that even if Iraq DID have WMDs, Iraq is still in NO way a threat to the U.S.
The Bush/Cheney false claims about threats to the U.S. absolutely screamed out relative to the significantly greater and even genuine potential threats at the time. These included (and still) threats from sources such as Pakistan harboring terrorists, Saudi financing of terrorists, Afghanistan being run as a country with terrorists at the helm, Russian nuclear proliferation and Korea developing nuclear weapons. In context Iraq’s “threat” (assuming once again that it did have WMDs) was negligible at best.
The intelligence relative to what was an overall threat to U.S. interests was fine. The conspiracy to lie about what constituted a threat to the U.S., and the Democrats and media’s failure to recognize even this simple fact, was the big “failure.”
slainte,
cl
Mr.Murder @ 21
How exactly, do the two compare?
I don’t think the authority is sincere but I’m not sure it has enough evidence of being illegal. The end justifies the means? If a president is given authority to define his own authority how do you criminalize those decisions?
Swopa @ 16
Swopa,
Good point, but there needs to be a happy medium between a hernia and growing moss under one’s feet.
slainte,
cl
Let me see if I am getting this (or better this is my interpretation of what you are saying).
the 1×2×6 segment.
Libby is trying to make it appear that Libby is the #1 (protecting the real number 1). And we are led to believe through the July 12 plane conversation that it is Fleischer and Bartlett that are the #2’s?
But even more likely it’s Cheney that is #1 and Libby and Rove are the #2’s? But perhaps there is even another tier here that is missing that included Fleischer and Bartlett, but we don’t know what most of those conversations really entailed.
Thoughts??
Caoimhin Laochdha @
11
Jack Bauer said it is OK when dealing with the media.
-GSD
Clamberite @ 25
seems like there was conflict WITHIN the cia about “cooking” the intelligence.
very interesting diary at dkos today on this topic, “Ex-Agent Ties Firing to CIA Pressure on WMD“
“the immolation of Judith Miller’s tattered career?”
Judy’s starting to sound like and IED…
with cooties…
Wonder what the title of her book title will be, maybe something like “Running with the Bulls…” or “…who, me?”
No that would probably be Cheney’s book title, maybe he’ll have a lot spare time to write it after all the legal wranglings are unwound. I only hope they put somewhere nearby his family, so he can spend some visitation time with that new grandbaby.
I bet they’ll look alike from the minute its born, with the sneer, the bald head, and the red face included.
rumi @
31
Maybe it’s easy to criminalize them if they involve the prima facie commission of TREASON? (As I suggested above in #14)
S.O.S.: (I meant about the private channel & not registered)
Mr.Murder: Spiro Agnew’s resignation ended any chance that a unitary VP could be supported by precedent.
Mr.Murder: The entire idea that Cheney has extra-constitutional powers is what Sen. Leahy would consider to be a “negative construct” that is arrived at by what limits are placed on others, not be express grant towards him(OVP).
IF the VP is to be using his argument of Senate Presidente then he’s still bound to follow the standard of truth in his words and can still be impeached for lying, since every statement he would make under so certain an advisory seat would constitute statements made to Congress.
Swopa, Christy, Jane, Marcy, Pach you’re all leading the way, and will hopefully shame some of the stenographers that many call journalists to write the story.
But for me, the story that is crying to be told is that not only was Valerie Plame a covert CIA operative, but one working on counter-proliferation in the Middle East. For fuck sake, THIS should make the American public insane with outrage. I just don’t get it. This drum should be beating 24/7. Watergate pales in comparison to this.
The fact Libby told reporters something they already knew, including in quotes by him, bears emphasis upon establishing intent.
Paging Mr. Waas…
S.O.S. in MA @ 37
I agree but nothing is charged except for perjury and obstruction. The D controlled Congress doesn’t even want to hear the mention of impeachment. What makes us think they’d consider that charge or conspiracy against the executive office?
Mr.Murder @ 38
Won’t these issues ultimately be decided in the Supreme Court? Any guess as to which way they might show favor…cough*Alito*cough
This is why each issue that the press ignored has been so damaging.
Agnew was talking in depth, background and policy, on running ratfucking operations. One included starting a fake liberal PR/NGO group to put out bad spin that unfairly depicts the work of Congress members and candidates.
Buchanon and Safire were his speechwriters.
my too sense @ 33
I understand what you’re saying, but in terms of the actual “1×2×6″ news article, the “1″ is the whistleblower who told the Washington Post, not the boss of the leakers (which seems to be how you’re describing it)
Alito was counsel to people involved with this trialm was he not?
For that matter Roberts cannot hear Gitmo cases without being in contempt re:conflict of interest.
Has nobody challenged them for such matters to this point?
inmymind’s eye @ 39
I’m with you. And I lived thru Watergate, as you prolly did as well. Imho any media manager, journalist or editorial writer who lets this (one of a million outrages) slide should be having serious trouble sleeping nights.
Pectopah @ 26
The press as we know it is a free-market creature, top-down in presentation and competitive re resources and credit. This has to be the case in any activity in which profit is the foremost consideration. No matter how chummy individual reporters may be, they cannot collaborate across financial boundaries, nor can their readers ever be partners in the process.
Compare the results of the co-operative blogoshere. Information, access and other resources are shared among several blogs and readers participate in the process. The resulting ‘product’ is continuously augmented and refined by many presenters and commenters, to the point that the distinction between reporters and readers is meaningless.
This is a damned fine thing happening here, and thank you Jane, for your magnificent vision. I feel that the next phase of evolution is taking place right here, right now, on this Lake. Wow!
I (and many others) have said it before, but the idea that Plame was outed only to somehow discredit her husband is idiotic. She was a direct threat to anyone who wanted to dissemble to the public by lying about another country’s WMD capabilities. There was no better way for Cheney & Co. to get the intel community to fall in line than by burning one of their assets. It was, essentially, a death threat.
SWOPA is right. The media have to be led by the nose to go after this administartion. If Cheney testifies in support of Libby, a whole can of worms is going to be opened up by Fitz. Cheney will sit there just like in “A Few Good Men” and arrogantly claim that he had the power to declassify, to refute Wilson and yes, out Plame all in the “national interest”. Will the media pick up the story then? Will pressure finally mount for Cheney to resign? I won’t be holding my breath but a Fitz-Cheney facedown will be the best popcorn moment of the trial.
Fitz has a biologic revulsion for liars and I expect him to go after Cheney hard to demonstrate what a lying arrogant bastard he is.
And if he lies on the stand? Oh please Dick, PLEASE go for it!
D’Souza/Bin Laden ‘08.
-GSD
S.O.S. in MA @ 47
Especially considering this administration is chomping at the bit to get into Iran.
GSD@10
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him think.
I believe Cheney will not testify, for one reason in addition to the other reasons often mentioned, and that is that his appearance in court would call too much attention to this trial, when the fundamental strategy by the White House has been to try to belittle the whole thing in hopes that the general public will not notice the extremely serious matters involved.
And another thing. You all remember Cheney on MTP claiming he didn’t know anything about Joe Wilson? Let’s hope Fitz plays that tape and calls him out on that lie. It goes to credibility doesn’t it?
Where’s the link for the main live chat we have today?
The second stream theory, where Plame was outed ALSO because of her ability to undermine the case against Iran (and as a message to further whistleblowing) seems to be gaining credibility.
Filter this against the likelihood of inter- and intra-departmental struggles between warring ideologies. My reading of the past forty years in the CIA shows serious turf battles among factions. Highly likely that there has never been as polarized time as now.
I’m awaiting the next revelation or two from Mr. Hersh. and Bravo, Bravo, Swopa!
Emptywheel has the liveblogging thread up and running for everyone.
Rich, at 54, you are right on the money…
Rich @ 54
It’s why Fox hasn’t had anyone at the court house. Does anyone know if there’s been any TV coverage at all on Fox?
rumi @ 42
Yet :) and as the public connects more and more dots, the pressure for impeachment or resignation will become irresistible. Some wise blogger said last week that this trial and other recent events have brought us to a “critical mass” of incriminating evidence against the administration. Toothpaste, tube, etc.
Someone else said that the world’s greatest supercomputer, comprised of intelligent patriotic Americans interconnected via the ‘net, was actively connecting the dots and that the process would accelerate.
I’m rooting for us!!!
For the record, I wasn’t advocating punching members of the media in the stomach, nor of punching horses…I was making a metaphorical point about it. When you strike someone in the stomach they inhale…..hence the point.
So let me be clear I don’t want Judy Miller or Jim Vandehei punched, or waterboarded and I don’t want to see Mr. Ed or Seattle Slew or Trigger assaulted on my words.
-GSD
Swopa said: “Did the Vice President of the United States authorize these leaks, and what evidence does special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald have to this effect?”
I’ll see you one co-conspirator and raise you the lead conspirator.
Instead of the VP just “authorizing” these leaks, what if he was one of the full-blown leakers himself?
Deadeye making some of those calls himself and betraying Valerie Plame to…ahmmm…”journalists” wouldn’t suprise me in the slightest.
Perhaps part of the 2 in 1×2×6 is Deadeye himself.
Rumi @ 43 and anyone else interested, this came up on Elizabeth de la Vega’s Book Salon ystdy. This is from section 603 of T Jefferson’s Impeachment manual. (bold mine)
Kevin J at 6:28 am
Great catch, I had forgotten about that.
OT, As emptywheel explain in her book, Fitz went to extraordinary lengths to very narrowly craft the requests of Journalists. It was that narrowing, which has restricted Fitz’s investigation, along with the perjury and obstruction. It’s time for the media to do it’s f**k’n job.
Mr.Murder @ 55
Well, it prolly won’t heat up until things get going, but since U asked… :)
Here’s your invitation. When the server load gets high, as it’s going to be today — you may wanna join some of us at a live-chat on another server, over at
http://gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
It’s a fun kinda chat-app. Using it doesn’t burden FDL’s servers at all. We’ve had as many as 65 folx in there at one point last week. It’s a good place to discuss any sort of Libby-related stuff at a far faster pace than is possible in these threads.
Rayne introduced it a few days back and imho it’s cool. Sometimes we get harrassed by hackers, in which case we retreat to a private redoubt. Others of us know how to get its URL to you without publishing it here. If you need its URL, please post your request in an FDL comment string.
If you wanna join us, C U over in chat-land. Remember, because Gabbly runs on a completely other server somewhere on the ‘net, using it takes some of the heavy load off the FDL servers!
Hint: Use two browser windows. Put the above URL in one, and the real FDL (this one) in the other. Position the windows where you can see both the chat about FDL and the real FDL. Refresh only the REAL FDL window.
Go FDL and Godspeed.
Mr.Murder @ 46
I think this link to the nomination hearing transcript might have a little bit of Sen Leahy pulling teeth
Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing on Judge Samuel Alito’s Nomination to the Supreme Court
Part I of III
He went into more detail on histories/decisions of unitary executive power and in the removals/ending of investigations.
From the NYTimes today on Cheney testifying at the Libby trial:
My bold.
Now Ted Olson represented the Bush-Cheney campaign in SCOTUS during the 2000
election dispute.
Ted Olson was Solicitor-General during Bush’s first term.
Ted Olson also reperesented Cheney in SCOTUS over his energy task force.
But the NYTimes doesn’t mention any of this.
HotFlash @ 64
Sealed v. Sealed?
S.O.S. in MA @ 61
Yet :) and as the public connects more and more dots, the pressure for impeachment or resignation will become irresistible. Some wise blogger said last week that this trial and other recent events have brought us to a “critical mass” of incriminating evidence against the administration. Toothpaste, tube, etc.
Someone else said that the world’s greatest supercomputer, comprised of intelligent patriotic Americans interconnected via the ‘net, was actively connecting the dots and that the process would accelerate.
I’m rooting for us!!!
I’ve been saying this for several years and I’m happy to no longer be insulted as a conspiracy theorist when I talk about these subjects. We’re on the same side and this post/thread illustrates the damage done when the MSM/TM fails to discuss or disclose the controversial.
tommy yum (49) — oh, absolutely, they didn’t go after Joe Wilson alone, they went after Valerie TOO, and they not only threated her but her children in doing so.
And they outed Brewster-Jennings and every single asset or contact in the process; they did so pointedly, deliberately. Unlike the case of the former cover CIA agent now suing for wrongful discharge, any asset related to Plame was hung out in the breeze and not protected.
When exactly did this Part 2 of the outing of Plame happen? Did they close Brewster-Jennings on 12-JUL? Earlier? Some other later date like 12-OCT?
Sure would be nice if one of these spoon-fed media folks would look into this. SPOTLIGHT this post, FirePups!
(BTW, in re: the pic — I always thought it was Justice that was blind, not the media…)
GSD @ 51
That’s a nice country ya got there, it’d be a shame if anything happened to it
GSD @
62
It was pretty clear to me that you were speaking figuratively, no need to tag an asterisk on it.
cl
Swopa,
I think you’re right, but it’s still hard to follow without timelines. Could you “draw it” for us? Who was on which plane what day? etc. If you’re not an artist, sketch it. There are plenty of us who can turn it into a work of art…
HotFlash @ 48
I think this explains the process perfectly. Thanks for this excellent observation.
Ohhhh, the uNAHty ticket. Heh
It is my hope that not only will this administration be charged with the conspiracy and treason that is so painfully obvious, but that next on the block is EVERY single one of the corrupted Old Media that partook in the coverup themselves.
Swopa,
Gotcha on your answer regarding the 1×2×6 and #1 being the WaPo whistleblower…. thanks. Plus I’m forgetting Armitage in this whole scenario because there were obviously many possible administration officials talking about this.
After re-reading the 10/12 WaPo article the words of the gov’t whistleblower sounded somehwat familiar (although not exactly like) those that Novak used in his Newsday article with Royce and Phelps.
From WaPo
“It was unsolicited,” the source said. “They were pushing back. They used everything they had.”
Novak said, in the July 22 article.
Also any idea on who the person was that had met Novak on the street after he learned about the wife and who then went on and tipped Wilson off about this whole issue even before Novak’s article went to print?
Shez @
76
U-Nutty Ticket.
-GSD
P.S.
I am going to see Obama speak today in NH. I think I am going to make a Boycott Australia sign. Or one that says Australian Prime Minister John Howard, what a dick!
-GSD
very nice swoopa, your deductions are flawless aren’t they
The Assie PM is trying to fill Blair’s lapdog role for Bushie. [y’know…that was a typo, but it fits so I’m gonna leave it!]
What do you suppose Chee-knee’s promised John Howard to extract that attack on Obama?
The long knives are sure panicked about him, aren’t they?
He also recalled telling the same story to Judy Miller, who never wrote about the leak and whose knowledge of Plame would have remained unknown in a less aggressive investigation
Well, her knowledge of the leak would never have been investigated if Libby had not testified to leaking to her.
And since you have loooked through Libby’s grand jury transcripts, you have solved the puzzle of how Fitzgerald learned about the June 23 meeting between Libby and Miller:
That was from his March 24 testimony; his June 23 schedule was a prosecution exhibit, complete with Judy’s name for a half hour meeting at 3:00.
Swopa THANK YOU for your wonderful reporting and posts!
Swopa: Thank you.
Its in there somewhere and my guess is Colin Powell might be the one to find it and lay it all out to see. My understanding is that it was he who brought copies of he Plame memo aboard AF2 on July 12.
A corroborator, like Rice or Fleischer would be nice.
Treason in Flight : The Movie.
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swopa,
breathtaking. and beautiful …….
I’m deep in EPU territory, but I think swopa has a point that is better than good.
I suspect that Darth and Dim Son’s involvement was akin to Henry II’s involvement in the murder of Thomas a Beckett, Archbishop of Canterbury.
According to Shakespeare, the King (it’s good to be the the King!) said, “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest!”
The King’s desire was made clear, but he never explicitly told his courtiers to murder Beckett. They did so assuming they were fulfilling HM’s wishes, and would reap his favor. Or maybe that ought to be favour. Incidentally, they fell out of favor. That should provide some food for thought for Scoooter.
BC
Swopa, typo?
5th paragraph, 3rd line from bottom, “faced in” should perhaps be “faced with” (?), or ?
apologies if this already mentioned…
Can anyone explain why this trial is important? I keep reading about how bad it was for Plame to be outed, but neither the prosecutor nor anything I’ve read anywhere has specifically indicated how, even if done, it is a crime. I’m told she is or was an analyst with the CIA. That’s not a covert position, and I don’t believe even she or her husband had been hiding her position or place of employment. Wilson, who’s editorial and utterances has been shown by the Senate select committee to have lied about the Niger situation, so if Cheney et al tried to discredit him, it would seem they had a good reason, given the press Wilson got about something that was not true in this particular instance. If you’re going to criticize the Administration, it would seem this is not the area to do so given the facts: Wilson lied in his public statements according to the Senate Select committee report, and Plame was not covert, which means outing her by anyone was not a crime, and Fitzgerald isn’t pursuing this non-crime which was the basis of this entire affair. Hence, what in the world is going on here other than an expensive albeit fascinating look into Washington DC sausage making?
Didn’t you ever see Three Days of the Condor? Just because an article is begging to written (especially if it’s a barnburner like the one suggested above) and even if it is, that doesn’t mean it’ll make it into the paper.
Art @ 88
Fitzgerald explained it more or less like so – He is pursuing the guy who threw sand in the umpire’s face, which hindered the umpire from seeing the whole play and making a call.
Innocent: Man, I loved that movie and have watched it often over the years. But since then, what, about 1972 or so, things have really changed regarding getting whatever word there may be, out and in the public. From leaks to the media via Watergate and all its copycats to the now ubiquitous internet, controlled by no one but accessible to all (a great leap forward I believe), information is no longer the possession of the few or powerful, including both the Administration AND the media. I hadn’t seen Fitz’s sand in the umpire explanation, so thanks for that, but it doesn’t seem to me that this trial is warranted at all given the charge originally made by the media about the Plame outing, and Fitz’s evident disregard for that event.
I really don’t understand how millions of dollars spent on this trial is going to do anything but make the media look worse than it already is. And Fitz. must have known this long ago because he knew Armitage was the original Plame outer. Am I missing something (probably) or is this just another pointless legal process whereby lots of information and fascinating details are probed and exposed by virtue of a DC legal and/or media momentum that has a mind of its own separate from what might be considered logical?
Art @ 91
Had Libby told the truth originally none of this would have taken place.
You just can’t lie to the FBI and a GJ in the US and get away with it if you are caught.
You’re just amazing, Swopa. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
I am still haunted by the note that says “I’m not going to sacrifice the guy the
the Pres.asked to put his neck in the meatgrinder for the incompetance of others”JEP @ 36
I think that she needs to keep the ellipsis in the Title.
“Running with the Bulls…”
Mr.Murder @ 46
And Gonzo was the WH Counsel during all of this and worse. Seems he should be required to utterly recuse himself on all these issues.
Adie @
87
Thank you!
Don’t expect the New York Times to take the lead on this…they’re still printing Dick Cheney’s talking points…namely that Joe Wilson “claimed” that the vice-president was the one who sent him to Niger.
…also that Joe Wilson’s article “lambasted” the administration.
(This was all from today’s paper.)http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02…..heney.html (ooh poor lil’ put-upon administration!)
They certainly don’t want to be accused of doing the same thing!
What about their future “access”…??
Stephen Pitt @
84
Who exactly was on that flight besides Dubya, Fleischer, Rice and Powell? There’s the original group who thought it over. Though, you might include someone like Karl Rove and/or Cheney who could’ve been consulted via telephone (check the airplane logs).
Then, spreading out from Bush to the handmaidens on to Rove, Libby, Cheney, et al, and on to ‘journalists’ who could be trusted (Novak, Miller, Russert, et al).
It probably wasn’t 1 x 2 x 6 at all. It was probably more like 6 x 4 x 8 with Dubya just providing the final okay to the top group of 6 (or so) who discussed it.
The actual conspiracy seems still to be a bit sketchy. I wonder how much info. Fitzgerald still has in his black binders.