
(Artist's rendition of Marvin the Martian should not be confused with Atrios in any way. Any similarities are purely a matter of coincidence. — CHS)
[Preface: This post is the sixth of a series (see Parts 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5) focused on offering some observations and analysis on some of the documents released during the Libby trial. Cross-posted at The Left Coaster.]
In this post I'm going to talk about what I believe are commonly misunderstood smoking guns in the Phase I SSCI report that provide hints on when the CIA really knew about the bogus nature of the uranium claims and the forgeries. I include some extracts from recently released documents that further solidify my prior assessment on these smoking guns. For clarity, the post is divided into the following 5 sections (NOTE: All emphasis in this post in quoted portions is mine, unless otherwise stated).
1. Is Atrios a Martian?
2. CIA and the Niger forgeries from Burba
3. CIA knowledge of the significance of the Burba documents
4. Why the SSCI narrative on the Burba episode makes no sense
5. The dog did not bark, twice – so, are we going to do anything about it?
1. Is Atrios a Martian?
Suppose I made the following claim:
I saw Atrios being raised in Mars and I was there when he was about to be shipped off to Earth.
Those who believe in Martians might decide to get in touch with me to verify if I was just spreading a tall tale. If they are even mildly thorough, they would easily discover it is a tall tale. For instance, a few questions to me about Mars, a planet they are likely to know well, would be sufficient to expose the nonsensical nature of my claim. On the other hand, those who don't believe in the existence of Martians would immediately discount my claim as being bunk. Not worth the paper, er, internets, it is published on and not worth a nanosecond of their time.
Which brings us to this not-so-famous paragraph in the Phase I SSCI report:
On November 25, 2002, The Naval [DELETED] issued a very brief report (Alleged Storage of Uranium Destined for Iraq [DELETED] that a large quantity of uranium from Niger was being stored in a warehouse in Cotonou, Benin. The uranium was reportedly sold to Iraq by Niger's President. The report provided the name and telephone numbers for the individual, a West African businessman, who was responsible for coordinating the alleged uranium transaction and indicated that he was willing to provide information about the transaction. CIA's DO told Committee staff that the businessman has never been contacted and the DO has not made an effort to determine whether this individual had any useful information. The DO told Committee staff that they saw no reason to contact him and noted that "no one even thought to do that." [pages 59-60]
Here's the essence of the above paragraph using the Mars analogy:
[A West African businessman] saw [Niger uranium] being [stored] in [Cotonou, Benin] and [he] was there when [the Niger uranium] was about to be shipped off to [Iraq].
However, that is NOT the most interesting thing about this episode!
At least three high-level investigations (SSCI, Robb-Silberman, Iraq Survey Group) have made it crystal clear that Iraq did not purchase any uranium from Niger since the 1980s. Yet, the "West African Businessman" (aka WABman) whose name and phone number were provided by NCIS was claiming knowledge and direct participation in a Nigerien uranium sale to Iraq that was fake and never existed. He also associated a Niger uranium deal with Iraq at a time when no general, public knowledge existed about any Iraq-uranium allegations specifically linked to Niger (as opposed to the word "Africa" in the public Sep 2002 British White Paper). The WABman is presumably still out there – yet no one has evidently contacted him! Does he know something about the Niger forgeries or those who were involved in the caper? Was he affiliated with [FILL IN THE BLANKS]? Don't you think this episode should invite some phone calls by the Democrats in the Senate or House Intelligence Committees to the FBI or the CIA? (And shouldn't money grow on the trees in your backyard?)
Another mildly curious point. For whatever reason, the SSCI report redacted the portion that revealed that the report was from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) office in Marseille, France (as the Los Angeles Times later revealed). Strangely, when TLC reader FMJ discovered and posted the URL to a DOD document containing contact information to NCIS offices, the document mysteriously disappeared the next day behind the DOD firewall. Now, some of you may be wondering why there was a report from NCIS Marseille on something pertaining to Benin in Africa. Here's a partial extract from the (old) Google cache of the now-disappeared report with the explanation highlighted in bold (I've redacted some of the information):
COUNTRY: FRANCE
STATE: Marseille
OFFICE: NCISRU MARSEILLE
DCIO: NCIS
ADDRESS: [REDACTED]
[REDACTED]
MISSION: GEN CRIM/ FCI
COMPLEMENT: 1 AGENT
PHONE (Com): 33-[REDACTED]
DSN: NA
FAX (Com): 33-[REDACTED]
DSN: NA
EMAIL:
LOCATION: [REDACTED] MARSEILLE [REDACTED]Area of Responsibility:
AFRICA: ANGOLA ALGERIA, BENIN, BURKINA-FASO, CAMEROON, CAPE VERDE, CHAD, CONGO, CENTRAL AFRICA,
EUROPE: CORSICA, FRANCE, MONACO, SWITZERLAND
As FMJ observed:
The WABman is supposed to have contacted the NCIS office in Marseille. An enterpr[i]sing journalist interested in chasing down this story might like to start there.
The phone number is listed here, in this Defense Dept. office directory. (.pdf)
C'mon, MSM. Do we have to do everything?
Anyway, the purpose of my re-introducing the above incident is to set the stage for a preliminary discussion about what the CIA may have known about the fraudulent Niger claims and when they knew it. There's probably a couple of chapters I can write on this point alone, but I'll focus on a small part of the story in this post.
2. CIA and the Niger forgeries from Burba
Those who are familiar with the Phase I SSCI report may recall that the report was intentionally secretive and ambiguous about the role and the actions of the CIA around the time that copies of the forgeries were provided to the U.S. in October 2002:
On October 9, 2002, an Italian journalist from the magazine Panorama provided U.S. Embassy Rome with copies of documents [ref. 8] pertaining to the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium transaction. The journalist had acquired the documents from a source who had requested 15,000 Euros in return for their publication, and wanted the embassy to authenticate the documents. Embassy officers provided copies of the documents to the CIA's [DELETED] because the embassy, which did collect the information, was sending copies of the documents back to the State Department headquaters.
[PARAGRAPH DELETED]
[PARAGRAPH DELETED]
…Also on October 11, 2002, the U.S. Embassy in Rome reported to State Department headquarters that it had acquired photocopies of documents on a purported uranium deal between Iraq and Niger from an Italian journalist. The cable said that the embassy had passed the documents to the CIA's [SENTENCE DELETED]. The embassy faxed the documents to the State Department's Bureau of Nonproliferation (NP) on October 15, 2002, which passed a copy of the documents to INR. [pages 57-58]
That's a lot of deletions, wouldn't you say? Lots of stuff to hide, it seems.
As it turns out, the hidden role of the CIA got partially exposed with the release of some documents in the past weeks. Emptywheel briefly commented on this earlier and I want to expand on that a bit. For instance, the 10 June 2003 memo from former INR chief Carl Ford to Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman mentions the following:
These documents, which were sent to Washington via both CIA and [State] Department channels, were not adequately analyzed until much later and were judged to be fraudulent. [page 2]
I respectfully disagree with the notion that the documents "were not adequately analyzed until much later", but the point I want to highlight is the portion shown in bold. The SSCI report gave the impression that the copies of the forgeries were really passed on to the US only through State Department channels. Yet, Ford's memo indicates that they were passed on through State Department and CIA channels.
That's not all.
3. CIA knowledge of the significance of the Burba documents
There's another document – the April 3, 2003 IC memo (labeled DX64, titled "Purported Iraqi attempt to get Uranium from Niger") that was forwarded to the Office of the Vice President (OVP) in early June 2003 (likely a WINPAC memo) – which has a relevant passage (page 6):
11. [DELETED] On 10 October 2002, Embassy Rome reported on a meeting from the previous day with a journalist from the Italian magazine Panorama. The journalist provided the Embassy with a copy of documents alleging Iraq and Niger had reached an agreement in July 2000 for the purchase of uranium. [...] Embassy Rome indicated that it had learned from CIA that the documents provided by the journalist were the subject of the CIA report issued on 5 February 2002, as described in paragraph three. [...] The Directorate of Intelligence did not request or place a high-priority on obtaining the actual documents, at this time, [DELETED].
Obviously, if the documents "were not adequately analyzed until much later", then how could CIA have known (and informed Embassy Rome) "that the documents provided by the journalist were the subject of the CIA report issued on 5 February 2002"?
In fact, the latter observation is also present in a memo written by the Vice President's then-Acting Principal Deputy Assistant John Hannah to the Vice President on 9 June 2003 (see page 4 of this Libby grand jury exhibit):
On October 10th, 2002, U.S. Embassy Rome received from a journalist documents purporting to be copies of the Iraq-Niger [DELETED] for uranium. CIA concluded that these were the documents that formed the basis for the Feb 2002 report [DELETED] on the issue.
[An aside: Note the peculiar redaction where "agreement" or something similar likely appears after Iraq-Niger. See this post for more on that.]
So, it's clear that at the time the copies of the Niger forgeries were received from Elisabetta Burba, some individuals in the CIA were aware of the significance of those documents.
Let's go back to a related point in the April 2003 memo:
12. [DELETED] On 15 October 2002, an Intelligence Community E-mail (ICE-mail) from the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the Department of State (State/INR) to CIA acknowledges receiving the documents acquired by Embassy Rome and noted doubt about the alleged uranium deal. State/INR also offered to provide copies of the documents to CIA at a meeting of the interagency group assigned to review nuclear export matters, occurring the next day. The delivery did not occur nor did CIA press State/INR for the documents, for the same reasons articulated in paragraph eleven.
The claim that the "delivery did not occur" is clearly incorrect. The SSCI report said that some of the IC attendees at the interagency meeting did pick up the documents (including one from CIA DO CPD) and that the documents were later discovered in a CIA Department of Operations' (DO) Counter-Proliferation Division (CPD) vault (see SSCI report, p. 58). I don't want to get into the details of this here – but suffice it to say that a lot of behind the scenes intrigue was left out of the SSCI report.
The principal point I want to emphasize using the above extracts is the following. The CIA (not clear which division(s)) actually had analyzed copies of the Niger forgeries on or before early-to-mid October 2002. This is however not really a surprise – in fact, I have presented a collection of evidence previously that the CIA likely even had an independent source for the Niger forgeries other than Elisabetta Burba.
4. Why the SSCI narrative on the Burba episode makes no sense
Indeed, those who are familiar with my earlier reporting may be aware that the story that the CIA was somehow ignorant about the forgeries prior to or shortly after the Burba episode doesn't pass the smell test. To give you just one example, in discussing the CIA's alleged non-reaction to the Burba documents, I wrote the following in Feb 2006:
This story not only has so many holes but it is by far the most bizarre narrative in the Niger section of the Senate (SSCI) report simply because it makes no sense whatsoever. If we set aside aside the deleted paragraph, here are the reasons why I say that.
1. First of all, the CIA claimed that, at that time, they had no idea that these documents were forgeries. If this claim is true, it would have meant that the CIA must have assumed that the documents were likely [or possibly - ed.] authentic. So, according to this narrative, when the CIA ostensibly received what was possibly the first "authentic" and first-hand validation for claims almost identical to what they had been hearing for almost a year from a foreign intelligence service (SISMI), they did not even think these were worth looking into or reviewing. In other words, we are led to believe that when faced with the ostensible first-hand proof for a deal that matched in most particulars the information received from SISMI over the previous 12 months, the CIA's response was that the documents weren't really important and not worth examining at all. If this was indeed their response, then this definitely classifies as a Curious Incident of the CIA in the Daytime. (NOTE added: That's another way of saying that the CIA must have been familiar with the documents and known beforehand that they were bogus. After all, as Mary points out in the comments, the INR analyst strongly suggested in his email that the documents were of dubious authenticity. Unfortunately, a critical piece of information that is left out in the Senate Report is the individual divisions that the four CIA representatives at the NIAG meeting belonged to.)
2. The CIA's explanation that – "its analysts did not seek to obtain copies of the documents because they believed that the foreign government service reporting was verbatim text and did not think it would advance the story on the alleged uranium deal" – is complete nonsense. Why?
Well, for one thing, the CIA only reported receiving the "verbatim text" of the alleged (fake) Niger-Iraq uranium "accord", not of all the documents in the dossier. As the Senate (SSCI) Report says (page 37):
Reporting on the uranium transaction did not surface again until February 5, 2002 when the CIA's DO issued a second intelligence report [DELETED] which again cited the source as a "[foreign] government service." Although not identified in the report, this source was also from the foreign service. The second report provided more details about the previously reported Iraq-Niger uranium agreement and provided what was said to be "verbatim text" of the accord.
Obviously, additional documents than the accord would have "advanced[d] the story on the alleged uranium deal".
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Secondly, despite having "verbatim text" of the accord in early Feb 2002, the CIA was not quite convinced of the Niger reporting – so they sent Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate it in late Feb 2002. So, clearly, just having the "verbatim text" of the accord said nothing about the importance or usefulness of the Niger documents they had received.Third, Panorama magazine's Elisabetta Burba never gave the CIA a copy of the uranium accord [See Part 3 of this series for more on that story - ed.]. So, it would have made no sense for the CIA to dismiss the documents they received from Burba without even looking at [them] to see if the accord was part of the bunch they received.
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3. The CIA's second explanation that – "since the uranium reporting was not significant to their argument, getting the documents was not a priority" – doesn't make any sense either. In fact, if the uranium claim was unimportant, then the documents could have made the case more important if they were authentic (e[s]pecially considering how the CIA was being relentlessly pressured to come up with as much junk as possible to feed George Bush and Dick Cheney's intelligence fixing to support the predetermined plans to go to war with Iraq). Indeed, it would have been simply impossible for the CIA to know whether the documents were important or unimportant without reviewing/analyzing them.To sum it up, there is only one obvious explanation, that is both reasonable and plausible, which explains the CIA's reported behavior. That explanation is that the CIA was already aware of the Niger forgeries and already had them in their possession prior to receiving copies from Elisabetta Burba. In this scenario, they would have already been aware that the papers were bogus and would have had no reason to re-analyze materials that they had previously determined to be bogus. This explanation is also particularly relevant considering what had happened in the days prior to the receipt of the forgeries from Burba. After all, in a mysterious twist to the CIA's earlier position on the "uranium from Africa" claim, between October 2, 2002 and October 6, 2002 – prior to the CIA's receiving the forgeries from Elisabetta Burba - top players in the CIA (including the Deputy DCI and the DCI) personally made efforts to try and dissuade the White House, and strongly so, from including the "uranium from Africa" claim in speeches, because they considered the claim to not be credible at all. The aggressive manner in which the CIA was walking away from the claim even before they received Burba's documents indicated that they had strong evidence in their possession (which likely included the forgeries) questioning the validity of the claim.
Those who want to read more about the basis for my inferences should read this series from 2006 (Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 4A, 5), ending with this post cataloguing reports that Rocco Martino tried to peddle the Niger forgeries to the CIA station chief in Rome in 2001 and got thrown out.
5. The dog did not bark, twice – so, are we going to do anything about it?
There's another interesting development now that relates to the NCIS report. As I said before:
This report was the second time in roughly six weeks that the CIA received direct, first-hand evidence directly implicating Iraq in a uranium purchase from Niger. Like in the earlier case (the Panorama/Burba Niger dossier), this was evidence that tantalizingly suggested that the final and unambiguous proof of Iraq seeking or buying uranium from Africa existed – which could completely cement together a nuclear case against Saddam Hussein. What did the CIA's DO do in response? Mostly yawn and move on without bothering to even contact the so-called "West African businessman". As I show in this post, this seemingly bizarre event represented the second Curious Incident of the CIA in the Daytime.
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Here's the crux of what happened in late November 2002. Combined with the evidence presented in Part 1 of this series, the tepid indifference from the CIA's DO to the NCIS report about an allegation regarding Iraq-bound Niger uranium in Cotonou, Benin, was consistent with only one meaningful and likely explanation – that the CIA was well aware of the contents of the Niger forgeries, that the uranium from Niger allegations were bogus, and that the claims from the "West African businessman" matched some of the specific information contained in the forgeries. This would have convinced them quickly that this claim was not something to be taken seriously. [I would be curious to know if the CIA DO communicated this in any form to DHS or NCIS].…So, if there is any individual on earth who needs to be traced down and questioned immediately, and his links to the Niger forgery cabal examined, it is this "West African businessman".
The Phase I SSCI report gave the impression that there was a single source (the WABman) for the fraudulent Cotonou uranium claim. However, we find something different in the DX64 memo. Page 7 of this document has the following passage:
15. [REDACTED] On 25 November 2002, the US Naval Criminal Investigation Service in Marseille, France reported information from two of its sources who claimed that a large quantity of uranium was currently stored in barrels at the Port of Cotonou, Benin and that Niger's president had sold this material to Iraq.
Two sources told NCIS something that was a complete fabrication and no one has bothered (ostensibly) to locate and interrogate these sources and understand how they might be connected to the forgers, the forgeries or to other parties interested in using false claims to drive a PR campaign for war.
So, let me close with this thought: are the Democrats in Congress going to do anything about this? The answer, dear reader, is probably in your hands.
Related posts:
- Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and the “Unremarkable” Meat Grinder
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- Saddam Interrogation: US Still Trying to Show 9/11 Connection as Late as Mid-2004
- The Fitzgerald-Cheney Interview: What Don’t We Know That We Don’t Know?
- Arlen “Scrapple” Specter Backs Up Pelosi: CIA Has a Bad Record When It Comes to Honesty





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eRiposte!
Hurrah for eRiposte!!
eRiposte!!!!!
E R I P O S T E !
Joe Lieberman’s the Martian.
Thanks, eriposte. This is some dense!
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Announcement — the silence you are experiencing is due to some very heavy reading on the part of all Firedogs present and is not the fault of your tubes.
Very well reasoned piece. Kinda makes you wonder why anyone sent Wilson in the first place since they already knew that the story was bullshit. Why did Cheney want someone sent? Did he really think that they would find confirmation? This has always been confusing. Is Cheney evil- or bat shit crazy- or both!
Excellent post. Given the logic you’ve set out, it would seem likely that the CIA would already have tracked down the WABman, but they have no incentive to reveal what they know. Possible?
scarecrow @ 7
Let me see. Who in the CIA would have been responsible for vetting information about nuclear proliferation in the ME at that time?
Iraq is the irritant that invades every part of american politics. When it goes away (and it WILL go away sometime before it takes another snarling bite out of the gooper party in 2008) it will leave a giant hole to fill. We will all need to regain our bearings and concentrate on other issues. The list of heroes and villains may change a bit in the process.
rwcole @ 7
There is no evidence that Cheney asked for someone to be sent to Niger. He asked for more information and the CIA evidently sent Wilson to Niger in part due to Cheney’s request for more information. Remember, the incidents I am discussing in this post occurred months after the Wilson trip.
scarecrow @ 8
It is certainly possible they tracked him down but the impression they gave to the SSCI is that they did not.
HotFlash @ 6
It reminds me of being a child at the dinner table when we had Kraft Dinner (Mac and Cheese to the incognoscenti) to eat.
Not a word was heard as we stuffed our faces. Silence was the thundering applause to our favorite food.
Atrios IS a Martian, NTodd can verify this.
McCain says that Afghanistan is fucked up and it’s the youroPEEons fault on account of they didn’t send enough troops–tried to get by on the cheap? Didn’t listen ta the generals- er what?
He went all the way to Germany to piss em all off. Why? Cause the right wing crazies LOVE it when anyone raises hell with the your-o-PEE-ons.
I don’t understand all the interest in Scooter Libby, I mean Cheney already said he’s one of the finest people he’s ever met.
OfT, eRiposte, only if you have the time or the interest, I’m interested if you have had a chance to listen to Scooter talking in his grand jury testimony about the way that the WH interpreted Wilson’s op-ed about Niger.
eRiposte @ 11
Maybe they didn’t expend any effort trying to track down that which they already knew didn’t really exist.
ERiposte,
We have known all this for years, have we not? What is new here?
Anyone who wanted to do this might have done it, but none were willing to do so.
It seems to me that the real problem here is the tinfoil. Anyone who starts connecting the dots amongst the SISMI, Propaganda Due, Opus Dei/Banco Ambrosiano crowd and the Bush/Carlyle/CIA crowd is in serious tinfoil territory.
Another problem is that folks who start to connect the dots sometimes die. Roberto Calvi, the banker, is dead. Mark Lombardi, the network artist who traced BCCI and Adnan Khashoggi, is dead. Some think Pope John Paul I died prematurely because he started to connect these dots.
The world looks more sinister and less tractable if we delve into the world of Italian intrigue.
I think you are very brave and persistent, eRiposte. Good work. I think you are onto the biggest story of the last 50 years.
John Casper @ 17
John, I am working on a post on Libby’s testimony re: Wilson’s trip. Hopefully I will get some time this week to finish it but there’s a lot there in his GJ testimony that needs to be brought out and addressed.
…tapping your toes?
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In the midst of the people-watching, musicians set-up and play.
If you tap your toes, the musician will come over to you at the end of the song with his donation box – it’s considered correct to give for the enjoyment.
We call it the ‘toe-tapping’ tax.
So, if you’re enjoying following the live-blogging of the Libby Trial here at FDL – ie, tapping your toes – please consider ‘giving’ to support the cause by using the ‘donation’ box that can be found at the end of each article.
Thanks, and
Go FDL!
Mad Dogs @ 18
Exactly my point.
Ever wonder why the right wing crazies hate the youropeeons so? Do they suspect that the youropeeons know something that they don’t- and it drives em fuckin crazy?
eRiposte @ 11
I think we have to consider the climate within the intelligence community under the Bush/cheney regime. Security/classification issues present a barrier, but under Bush/cheney, we also have political considerations. People are replaced, new directors sympathetic to the WH are brought in; whistleblowers are fired/discredited. Careers are ended. So if you have the goods on this issue — the one that will expose where the fraudulent claims came from and why, what do you do with that information? One speculative theory is that you hold it to protect yourself and the truth tellers around you. You can’t reveal it to the SSCI while Roberts is chair, so that accounts for the SSCI report statements that CIA didn’t follow up. And Roberts wouldn’t have had an incentive to question CIA on this, because he knows where that might lead.
This information, if it exists, will only come out when it is clearly safe and/or it’s necessary to use in self defense. Again — just speculation.
eRiposte at 9:14 am
Thanks very much.
When you do, I’ll spotlight it to the MSM. It’s important information in and of itself, but it also forces Barbara Comstock to defend the WH on new fronts and at a level of detail she doesn’t want to match.
Is it starting again?
“BAGHDAD (AP) — The U.S. military has detected a significant increase in the number of sophisticated roadside bombs appearing in Iraq and believes that orders to send components for them came from the “highest levels” of the Iranian goverment, a senior defense analyst said Sunday.
The analyst, briefing reporters on condition he not be further identified, that that between June 2004 and last week, more than 170 Americans had been killed by the sophisticated bombs, referred to by the military as “explosively formed projectiles.”
Those weapons are capable of destroying an Abrams tank.
A senior defense official and an explosives expert said American intelligence analysts believe the EFPs are manufactured in Iran and smuggled into Iraq on orders from the top of the Iranian government. He did not elaborate.
U.S. officials have alleged for years that weapons were entering the country from Iran but have stopped short of alleging involvement by top Iranian leaders.
The defense analyst said Iran was working through “multiple surrogates” — mainly “rogue elements” of the Shiite Mahdi Army — to smuggle the EFPs into Iraq. He said most of the components are entering the country at crossing points near Amarah, the Iranian border city of Meran and the Basra area of southern Iraq.”
Here we have the press playing a familiar role- printing stories without attribution leading to the conclusion that “High” Iranian officials are killing american troops- with no proof and without even requiring the accuser to identify himself…
The press is so self destructive and compliant that Clusterfuck doesn’t even HAVE to lie if he doesn’t want to…
This is a sorry ass performance!!!
Just an aside about the CIA, George Tenet’s book, At the Center of the Storm, was supposed to be out 2/6/07. It was pushed back to tomorrow, and he was supposed to have been on 60 Minutes tonight. The Amazon site still lists it out on 2/6. Things that make you go hmmmm….
How much courage does it take to say:
“No- I refuse to print your propoganda if you are too cowardly to allow me to assign your name to it—NO MAS!”
i don’t know if atrios is a martian, but i do know that somebody (probably a venusuvian) is using his old archives (which apparently has his old blogroll intact) to click thru to skippy, even tho
marvinatrios took skippy off his roll.meanwhile, skippy’s blogroll amnesty marches on! blogroll skippy, and skippy will blogroll you!
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Somewhere in journalism school they must talk about when to protect sources and when not to..
At first blush, it would seem that when a source wants to remain annonymous because they are leaking information that may harm the powerful- and may suffer for it- the reporter should consider honoring the request– “whistle blowing”
On the other hand, when it’s the fuckin powerful who want to hide their identities to avoid accountability for the truth or political motivation for what they’re saying- then the answer is not just “no” but “hell no”.
The only reason that this senior “defense analyst” wants to remain anonymous is to avoid being held accountable for the truth of the information he or she is leaking…. This is total BULLSHIT! No one can ask any follow up questions about the evidence- cause they don’t know who said it!!!!
I wouldn’t want to be that West African businessman right now. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s resting peacefully in Natural Causes, FL.
HotFlash @
9
Who the f*** is this Roger Simon dude?
On Timmeh this morning whining about “this nutty trial” that “nobody cares about,” with “no underlying crime”.
I’m about 40% through Marcy’s book, which just arrived yesterday.
Either the Pentagon wants to begin beating the drums for war- or they want the Iranians to THINK they are- and the press goes along with it blindly.
Did they ask the senior defense analyst any questions about her/his evidence? If so- were the questions answered? If NOT- why the fuck isn’t that little fact contained in the fuckin story???
Wow – great post.
Atrios is a Martian, just like Obama is a radical Muslim trained in a Madrassa. ;)
Adding on to your comment:
Why expend effort in something that will not make a difference? Even if they showed plenty of evidence that the bogus claims could not be true, this information would never reach the light of day from this administration.
They knew the war sale to the American people would be a “slam dunk”, and evidence was unnecessary. The admin would twist whatever they wanted to get their way.
rwcole @
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Saw this somewhere on the toobz–
Mccain would make a great President, if he weren’t old, mean and crazy.
BobbyG @ 34
Just some nutty guy who nobody cares about. I finished Marcy’s book last week. It was great, but now I’m more pissed off than ever.
Grok.
OT: based on a ranting comment in the last thread re: how to answer the claim of “the Democrats have no plan for Iraq”, I created a slightly more lucid diary on dKos. I’d appreciate it if you’d drop by and add your two cents.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/11/112419/710
Rene
Sadly this little McCain episode is how goopers act when they are SANE..
In order to get crazy people to vote for you- you’ve got to pretend that you are as bat shit nuts as they are.
No tracking down needed when the “WABman” sits in the cubicle next to you, huh?
Are we beginning to see that the ENTIRE Niger Uranium story might have been ‘engineered?’ -
- from initial creation (1999?) to
- first verification (Niger Dossier – 2001?) to
- Oct 2002 NIE to
- placement in SOTU (Jan 2003)
We were poised to go to War on that, when -
- IAEA says Niger Dossier a FAKE full of forgeries (Feb 03)
At this point, Bush and Cheney have LOST their primary rationale for an Pre-emptive War of Choice. So, what do they do?
- Take Wilson’s DEBUNKING Report and paper-it-over with an Analysis Memo that Shape-Shifts the Report’s conclusion to SUPPORT the Niger Uranium Claim (the probable Feb 03 ‘WINPAC’ Memo), and
- Have the DIA produce a ‘Concurrence’ Memo (around Mar 8, 2003).
- Then we invade (Mar 20)
Is the ‘Truth’ of the Development of the Intelligence that took us to War possibly one of FIXING THE FACTS TO FIT THE POLICY – SEVERAL TIMES OVER?
Is it looking like we may have known the forgeries were forgeries – and when they fell-apart with international scrutiny – we may have fraudulently created a Second Stream of Intell by Re-Interpreting Wilson’s Report – and went to War on that?
Is that what this is looking like?
So if McCain is REALLY sane- he will have to claim that science has discovered that human life begins at conception- that Global Warming is a liberal hoax- that the world is only five thousand years old and sprang into it’s present state in seven days- and that the secret to lowering budget deficits is to continue to lower taxes…and more—MUCH MORE!
LandOfTheFree @ 36
Recommended. I just hope they see it. I wonder if the e-mails i send get seen…probably not.
rwcole #26,
I did an analysis of the long Michael Gordon article yesterday in the New York Times on Iranian IEDs. It was in 3 parts and starts at #21 of the “that’s not reporting, it’s enabling” thread also from yesterday.
The short version is that the Pentagon is whipping up a witch’s brew of old stories, recycled with misleading and exaggerated analysis from unnamed sources and reported by uncritical shills like Gordon.
To take a point from what you cite: 170 American deaths from “Iranian” IEDs since June 2004. It is important to remember that the 1,000th US death in Iraq did not occur until September 7 of that year. There have been over 2100 US combat deaths since then. So 170 from these particular IEDs (and the accuracy of these numbers comes from these same biased, unnamed sources) would represent less than 8% of American combat deaths in Iraq since June 2004. Now while this is still a significant number, you might think they might get a little more exercised by the deaths of the other 92%.
The Abrams tank is a throw away line of Secretary Gates. He heard it. If there had been any such attacks in Iraq, I think he would have cite them directly. Instead I believe this refers to a few incidents during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon last year. In other words, just more misleading.
radiofreewill @ 42
Yup.
I’m still furious about the anonymous story concerning Iran..
If yer boss MAKES you write such a story, then couldn’t a reporter at LEAST include more information? Such as:
“The person who spoke with reporters anonymously has leaked information several times in the past- none of which turned out to be true. The person is a political appointee of the current administration and has been promoted several times because of their compliant behavior. When the person was asked “Why do you insist on remaining anonymous- why won’t you stand behind this information?”- the person refused to answer. They also refused to answer if their bosses were aware that they were making these statements and whether the statements were being made at the direction of the White House..The person ALSO refused to offer any evidence to support the statements. It is the personal opinion of this reporter that the source should not be trusted”.
Just pay attention at those AIPAC dollars contributions…from this list
http://tinyurl.com/yu62xy
Or may be you want to check http://tinyurl.com/4lls6 while in the subject, just check out how the Libby “Aspens roots turn to clusters” http://tinyurl.com/39lmju
http://news.findlaw.com/nytime…..205ind.pdf
http://www.slate.com/id/2128205/
So why did some genius at the CIA send Wilson?
Since we know that Cheney was making regular slogs down to Langley to browbeat analysts into giving him junk intel, some genius decided to send a Cheney-resistant envoy to Niger. Cheney couldn’t browbeat, intimidate or demote a retired ambassador. (Especially an ambassador who hung a noose around his own neck and dared Saddam to come get him, in the lead up to the first Gulf War.)
So what could Cheney do to Wilson? I can just see it now: Cheney, who saw himself as the heir of Nixon’s Ratf*ckers, looked up at Libby and said, “Scooter, let’s f*ck his wife! That’ll show him who’s in charge around here!”
And the rest is history.
HotFlash @ 8
They say great minds run in the same channels, and it must be so, because I also made the connection to who was responsible for analysis of counterproliferation info. I also have to wonder if the CIA didn’t ignore the Niger papers because it’s hard to authenticate something you either created yourself or know who did. Or am I watching too much TV?
eRiposte, a very fun read…now here’s a challenge for you;
contact Richard Clarke…he tells us he informed the president in no uncertain terms that Iraq was no threat, he definitely had access to the latest intel and he tells us he informed the president in the strongest terms possible not to attack Iraq…he will give you directions to investigate if you can get some kind of correspondance
task him for some answers, I believe he will be quite forthcoming
add to that a conversation with larry johnson, tell him who you are, I beleive he will be more then willing to stear you in the right direction also
investigative reporting, now the job of our tubes
Lindy @ 41
Thanks.
I have been doing a bit of letter writing to Congressional members, and I believe that some of them DO see the suggestions. I occasionally get responses back (though they are likely issue-oriented stock reply letters). I figure it’s my duty to keep nagging the crap out of them.
What I think is probably even more effective is to email the members of Congress AND write LTEs. We need to do more of this – to engage our neighbors in debate and encourage them to speak out to their government. We can move mountains if we can fight inertia.
I wonder if that “West African Businessman” is the same one who’s been generously trying to share an unclaimed million-dollar bank account with me?
Incredible work as always, eRiposte!
I hope you have a cozy underground bunker somewhere.
According to Feith, of course, you are just engaging in the kind of “criticism” that he and others in the DOD were all about, and gosh, isn’t that great. In fact, he said to WolfMan that it was ironic that Senator Rockefeller seems to want to “criticize” intelligence while subscribing to Feith’s “criticism” as “inappropriate.”
Ok, first: screw you, you lyin’ colostomy bag of yellow,caked residue.
Second, you were in the
Executive Branch of our government. you weren’t providing just a passive sort of “criticism”, but active alternative analysis of data. THAT is where you get into trouble with the Intelligence Act of 1947 and you know it.
“Criticism”:Analysis::”Misremembered”:Lied, in the Libby trial.
Third, you say you continue to believe that there was a connection between bin Laden and Iraq because, I swear, “I believe George Tenant.”
WTF? Didn’t you just say that the CIA had been totally unreliable and deserving of “criticism” on WMD, but when its Director makes an assertion that helps make your case you accept it without question?
Sanator Rockefeller PLEASE get this guy before your committee as soom as you can chew through this cotton candy-ass clump of sickening calories.
Hugh- Thanks- I missed most of yesterday’s posts- I’ll go back and read it.
tpres2000 @ 51
Yeah, you and a million others on the internets :-)
eRiposte @ 51
They suckered the treasurer of a Michigan county in that scam – he lost over $1 million in county funds. Alcona County Treasurer and Nigerian Online Scam
rwcole @ 35
It will be “interesting” to see how this latest iteration of magically produced casus belli sells with the now Democrat-controlled Senate.
As other commenters have highlighted, the MSM-based (let’s repeat the false stuff until the repetition magically makes it real) information warfare campaign (like a political campaign ya think?) against us is well underway.
The betting line right at the moment in Sin City is that the Cheney Administration will be able to start another conflict ’cause there ain’t nobody, including the Senate, with the real power to stop ‘em.
The Cheney mindset is analogous to that old Soviet adage: “How many divisions does the Pope
Senatehave?”Gonna be a tad bit “interesting” to see if the Democrat-controlled Senate will pre-emptively legislate that Junya and crew cannot go to war with Iran.
Again, the betting line right now (as starkly illustrated by the blocked Irag – No Escalation vote) is that McConnell and the rest of his litter of Repug weasels will be able to block via filibuster any Democratic attempt to tie Junya’s and Deadeye’s hands on Iran.
The PNAC plan is still operative! To wit: Let’s spin the ME into chaos ’cause the status quo for the last 50 years ain’t bought us anything.
Like the ever-reality-denying gambler who has already tossed snake-eyes and lost the food money, these folks believe that with just one more throw of the dice, all their dreams will come true. Can you say “let’s lose the mortgage money too”?
It seems to me one lesson of all this is to get away from the mainstream description of the Administration having “cherry-picked” intelligence.
If the OSP wasn’t Intelligence (as Feith has declared) then the Administration didn’t just “cherry-pick”; they manufactured,or better yet, made the shit up!
Lindy @
42
“The Democrats have no plan for Iraq.”:
The Republicans don’t like the Democrat’s plan for Iraq.
OSP = Ontological Soporific Propaganda
froggermarch @ 57
scarecrow says:
February 11th, 2007 at 9:19 am
eRiposte @ 11
scarecrow @ 8
Given the logic you’ve set out, it would seem likely that the CIA would already have tracked down the WABman, but they have no incentive to reveal what they know. Possible?
It is certainly possible they tracked him down but the impression they gave to the SSCI is that they did not.
I think we have to consider the climate within the intelligence community under the Bush/cheney regime. Security/classification issues present a barrier, but under Bush/cheney, we also have political considerations. People are replaced, new directors sympathetic to the WH are brought in; whistleblowers are fired/discredited. Careers are ended. So if you have the goods on this issue — the one that will expose where the fraudulent claims came from and why, what do you do with that information? One speculative theory is that you hold it to protect yourself and the truth tellers around you. You can’t reveal it to the SSCI while Roberts is chair, so that accounts for the SSCI report statements that CIA didn’t follow up. And Roberts wouldn’t have had an incentive to question CIA on this, because he knows where that might lead.
This information, if it exists, will only come out when it is clearly safe and/or it’s necessary to use in self defense. Again — just speculation.
I bolded the part that, to me, explains what happened to Valerie Plame and her career. In fact, I wonder sometimes if she isn’t still in jeopardy, maybe even more so now that their may be some serious investigations. Hope she isn’t holding onto any secrets that would endanger her safety in Bush’s world.
radiofreewill — two streams, most def’.
But not just with the intelligence. There was something going on actively with the media at the time, too; the coverage outside of the country of the run-up of the war was completely different than the coverage inside the U.S., so that the American public and possibly their info-overloaded representatives couldn’t see that there was active misrepresentation and misinformation going on.
I’d love to know exactly when the former OSI began its work, including any related DoD subcontractors like Rendon Group.
There was a concerted effort by “old Europe”, lead primarily by Germany and France, to stop the war by providing an alternative; the American public was prevented from hearing about it, even though a majority of Americans didn’t support going to war. I suspected then that the Germans and the French both had information about the misinfo campaign, along with details about the doctored intel. Would be nice if parts of the media came to their senses and realized their market would love them to do real journalism and run down this kind of news, as foreign or quaint a concept as this seems.
froggermarch @ 57
Why bother to make it up when it can be pulled from the trash pile of intel previously discarded by CIA because unprovable/untrue? Culled from there by Feith’s OSP (their main function?) with the notation to check this again(echo chamber again again again)…
Anyone see the experts section @ the start of Wolf Blitzer this morning?
Ok, so they totally fabricated the evidence for war. But the question is, why did they want to go to war so badly? Answer: electoral votes.
LandOfTheFree @
36
Probably not the case here. The CIA has an obligation to investigate all this stuff, so I betcha somewhere there is at least a note in a file that it was checked and the outcome or the reason that it wasn’t checked, such as (and I am not saying this is the case!), oh, that’s just so-and-so, he’s doing a sting for Interpol’ or the FBI or our other end, or whatever. Wouldn’t be the first time spooks caught each other!
Goopers (some) have a plan for Iraq—the SURGE!!!
Yep- that’s the plan- which can best be described as accelerating the losing strategy so that ya can lose faster!!
Dems could counter with the “Shrink” in which ya at least lose slower.
OK congressional staffers, we all know a lot of you are reading this, now that someone has done your work for you it’s time to put the CIA on the hot seat. Write it all down in simple block letters for your boss and tell him/her to do some grillin’.
Pretty clear at this point that Clusterfuck is gonna get his “surge” and that it ain’t a gonna do shit- but then he knew that.
By fall- goopers will huddle and try to figure out how ta make lemonade.
Rove’s thousand year Reich is now operating out of a bunker in Berlin- er- Washington.
Mad Dogs @ 56
Power of the purse. Close it tight, put a lock on it and then bash them over the head with it. Ms Pelosi, meet Gladys Ormphby.
Boy, am I not an expert on this, but I agree with eriposte if I understand him correctly. At least post-Wilson trip, the adults seemed to back away from the Niger story. So when bits and pieces of it resurfaced later in 2002, they didn’t pursue it or the WABman. At the same time, the Niger story was still percolating along in various parts of the CIA and elsewhere, especially among those who were most interested in promoting the Cheney agenda and war with Iraq either because they believed in them or because they didn’t wish to cross the Vice-President.
New thread!
Rayne at 63
It’s the media Run-up to the War that I remember best – BushCo’s minions flooding the Talking Head programs, Rovian Talking Points galore, Judy’s NYT pieces, anthrax (remember that?) and the greatest coordinated conflation in modern history – 911/Iraq.
To now see the same effort was at work in the IC makes sense, but is also alarming at the same time.
My understanding of the Intelligence Community is that it was set-up with 19 Independent Agencies – all of whom are tasked with watching the others – as a safety precaution against ‘false memes’ taking root as real and becoming the foundation of bad policy and erroneous action.
This appears to be a ‘breakdown’ of a massively redundant system – very unexpected, and frankly probably not possible without sanction and direction from the highest levels.
As other posters have said, this needs Congressional Oversight – for no other reason than IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN if not addressed.
The consequences could be enormous. For instance, if BushCo invades Iran using ‘cooked intell’ and a Pool of Media Stenographers with Bullhorns – might that be a SIGN that IDEOLOGY has penetrated the corridors of Power in our Government, perverted our principles and muted our voices?
A successful Covert Coup d’Etat is one in which the ‘People’ never see the wires behind their ‘elected’ Representatives.
My impression, which is growing, is that Cheney doesn’t always, if ever, actually operate within the Bush sphere. He appears close, but is actually his own man and wanted to uncover the Niger yellowcake story for his own reasons — perhaps not realizing he was debunking Bushie’s rationale for the big war. I’m certain that made Deadeye Dick a little less popular with Dubya.
Yes, I agree the CIA had no reason to investigate the documents as, at least, the director had to know they were fake. In any event they were probably following the old Reagan-era idea that if a story suits your needs don’t investigate it’s veracity.
Politicians work in the White House AND in the secretary positions of departments, including the DCI (director of Central Intelligence, like Tenet was).
What does this mean?
It means Cheney had better tread carefully or Bush will stab him in the back the way the Bush family always stabs collaborators when they’re done with ‘em.
It means if Cheney wishes to strike a blow, it had better be a death blow or there will be severe repercussions.
For us it means Fitzgerald might be able to turn one against the other to bring ‘em all down in one gawd-awful tragi-comical disastrously funny indictment.
However, bringing them down might have us replacing one of them with an appointee not to our liking. Remember Jerry Ford was appointed Veep when there was a Dem majority in the House. If Dick goes down first then who would Dubya appoint, his brother Jeb perhaps? If Dubya goes down then who would kneel before King Dick? It’s a nasty story no matter how you read it.
Yes – The matters surrounding the WABman are very interesting and need fleshing out.
I love your exquisitely detailed work and this is not a criticism of any of it, but I am curious: Why don’t you call him yourself?
Perhaps you have the same reasons everybody else did – that you assume everything he says would be a ridiculous fabrication anyway?
My swag is the local NCIS gives out cold, hard cash for information that pans out. They get a lot of crap as a result and this “business man” was peddling a bunch of b-s in the hopes of scoring some.
It ~was~ after “Uranium for Africa” was in the public discourse, Niger was the African largest exporter, it’s not that hard a story to peddle, right?
Martino was likely a similar peddler, and got used in a larger plot. WABman may have been used too, but his info was so crude that it seems far less likely, is my swag.
dopey-o @ 49
Here’s another possibility. If one is going to stovepipe intelligence one wants as much information as possible that one can then use to find a few sows ears in the pearls. Libby would have Feith extract and revise whatever they wanted to release to Congress and the public.
So the State Department had already established that the claims of any actual transaction was illogical based upon their assessments from Ambassador Barbro Owens-Kilpatrick in Niger. And the DIA (in the Dept. of Defense) sent out 4-star General and head of NATO Command, Gen. Carlton Fulford, hoping to get sometime. That would have been ordered by Rumsfeld. Again NADA! But the third leg of the approach was by Cheney to the CIA…who sent Wilson.
I think they sent Wilson because he was the best qualified for the job of interrogating FORMER Nigerien officials about this. From the SSIC and extracts of the now declassified sections of the Libby Trial Docs, it’s clear that Wilson had been asked (after his wife pointed out his credentials) in 1999 to investigate reports of another countries efforts to procure yellowcake from Niger. The fact that Plame was aware of these reports suggests her specific tasking BTW.
It now seems clear that Wilson, after interviewing government officials at that time, discovered that IRAN and PAKISTAN had both made efforts to acquire yellowcake from Niger. In fact, it sounds as if there was some IAEA “international” action as a response that was embassing to Niger.
Thus Wilson had been on a successful intelligence operation to Niger in 1999. This, of course, was precisely the time that the IRAQ reports asserted that a contract had been signed. Such a “contract” would seem implausible since it was precisely when Niger would have been aware of Wilson’s investigation, that Niger took the heat for even interacting with Pakistan, and that scrutiny of Niger’s mines was increased even more as a result of the above.
So that’s why Wilson was sent again. Could the reports actually have been valid? Perhaps there was something deeper..perhaps a political move by someone to discredit someone in the government, or a ‘Cloak & Dagger” version of the Nigerian “send me money to get $1 billion hidden by the ex-Dictator out of the Nigerian State Bank”.
Does one really believe that some government officials secretly trying to smuggle TONS of yellowcake to the Iraqis would then go to Niger’s Supreme Court and ASK PERMISSION to do so legally????!!!!
And the CIA didn’t see right off the bat that this smelled like a cave full of guano?
The wabman is dead, right?
eRiposte~ Just a little snippet from the Libby Grand Jury testimony that you might find interesting.
“Q. So your notes don’t indicate one way or the other whether or not Wilson’s wife’s employment at the CIA is classified. Correct?
A. It’s correct, although when I’m dealing with something which involves COVERT stuff, we usually write TS
(redact)on the document.”
[Note-Libby actually said out loud the “code word” that is redacted from documents AFTER the “TS/[Redacted]” that we see throughout the documents. This suggests that each of those documents actually deals with at least one covert individual or operation!]
“MR. FITZGERALD. We’ll strike that. We’ll just put TS and a word.
WITNESS. We usually write TS and a code word next to it which is a –sorry.
MR. FITZGERALD. We’ll redact that.
BY MR. FITZGERALD:
Q. So you put TS and a code word?
A. Yes, usually when there’s something that is of that caliber.
Q. And recognizing that beyond code word, SCI and sensitive compartmented information, there’s top secret and
then there’s secret and then there’s confidential, all of which are classified. Correct?
A. Correct.
Q. So top secret information wouldn’t have a code word marking NECESSARILY.
A. Correct.
Q. And secret wouldn’t have a CODE WORD. Correct?
A. Correct.
Q. And confidential wouldn’t have a CODE MARKING but I all of those three categories of non-code word materials are still classified. Correct?
A. Still classified and could have a code word, but I don’t necessarily.
Q. And so your understanding, when you learn information, wasn’t that it was code word, but did you have an affirmative understanding that it was not classified in any sense at the confidential, secret or top secret that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA?
A. I had no sense at all that it was classified. Is that what you asked? I’m sorry.”
It seems to me that based on what Libby and Fitz were discussing at post #79 that anytime you see a
“TS/[redact]” on a document it indicates that it deals with a COVERT operation, source or agent.
THAT information may help you ascertain a little about what some of the redactions mean on these CIA documents further down. These may discuss an agent or operation that is COVERT.
Of course, given the redactions on the SSIC it may also mean that the redaction was made at the behest of someone simply trying to conceal politically embarassing information.
But anything that would suggest that Plame was covert or involved in covert operations would be politically embarassing!
Just as Dick Cheney told Sen. Patrick Leahy to “go fuck yourself” on the Senate floor, Dick Cheney and all the PNAC fools, once they entered the White House, told the U.S. intelligence community to go fuck themselves, especially regarding any evidence contradicting the Bush/Cheney/PNAC’s obsession over starting war with Iraq and ousting Saddam Hussein.
Thus, both pre-9/11 and post-9/11, these PNAC fools in the White House told the U.S. intelligence services to go fuck themselves, going so far as to establish their own counter-U.S. intelligence service “filters” in the White House called the Office of Special Plans and the White House Iraq Group, both charged with “fixing” the intelligence around their preemptive Iraq War policy.
IMHO, the 9/11 attacks happened because of this pre-9/11 obsession over Iraq by the Bush/Cheney/PNAC cabal in the White House. Also, the outing of a covert CIA is directly related to and happened due to this same obsession.
Thank you eRiposte, for your diligence. It is my feeling that your uncovering and exposing the odd circumstances surrounding the Niger forgeries, Joe Wilson’s trip to Niger and the subsequent outing of his wife’s covert position at the CIA, may just someday seque into exposing how Bush/Cheney/PNAC’s obsession over Iraq in 2001 directly contributed to the 9/11 attacks occurring and 3,000 U.S. citizens dying.
The Bush/Cheney/PNAC cabal has the blood of countless innocents on their hands. The 9/11 victims. Those killed in Iraq, both Iraqi and U.S./Coalition forces. And all because of their warped worldview and “go fuck yourself” policies. It is time (actually well past the time) to completely clean these scumbags out of the White House and fumigate the place.
in reference to iran supplying weapons, duhhhhhhhh don’t we always supply weapons to countries, how bout afganistan when they were fighting the russians, did the russians go to war with us? did russia complain? knda double standard