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		<title>By: Carl Muecke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Muecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Casper</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mandrake, fwiw, once you change your pseudonym, you lose your FDL history. I recognize mandrake, I did not recognize 72462.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again fwiw, imho, if you can’t work stuff out on the thread in which it occurs, it creates more problems imho if you restart it on a later thread. What I’ve seen others do successfully is wait until you see the other commenter on a future thread. Then invite them to dialogue with you at the end of the previous thread. That allows you two to work it out someplace other than the current thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mandrake, fwiw, once you change your pseudonym, you lose your FDL history. I recognize mandrake, I did not recognize 72462.</p>
<p>Again fwiw, imho, if you can’t work stuff out on the thread in which it occurs, it creates more problems imho if you restart it on a later thread. What I’ve seen others do successfully is wait until you see the other commenter on a future thread. Then invite them to dialogue with you at the end of the previous thread. That allows you two to work it out someplace other than the current thread.</p>
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		<title>By: HotFlash</title>
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		<dc:creator>HotFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear 72462,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read fahrender’s comment on Pach’s Valentine thread long after everyone had left and thought it was out of line. S/he did apologize the next morning, comment 15 on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/11/sunday-talking-head-thread-41/#respond&quot;&gt;Talking Heads thread.&lt;/a&gt; FWIW.  Also my 41.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my experience, this is a caring community, but your mileage seems to have varied.   I think that one comment from one person, however assholey and ill-timed, isn’t the total of FDL, and probably not even of that person, either.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel kind of awkward giving you a hug, since the hug is virtual and the hurt was real, but anyway&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  {{{{{{{{{ Group Capt. Lionel  }}}}}}}}}&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear 72462,</p>
<p>I read fahrender’s comment on Pach’s Valentine thread long after everyone had left and thought it was out of line. S/he did apologize the next morning, comment 15 on the <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/11/sunday-talking-head-thread-41/#respond">Talking Heads thread.</a> FWIW.  Also my 41.</p>
<p>In my experience, this is a caring community, but your mileage seems to have varied.   I think that one comment from one person, however assholey and ill-timed, isn’t the total of FDL, and probably not even of that person, either.   </p>
<p>I feel kind of awkward giving you a hug, since the hug is virtual and the hurt was real, but anyway</p>
<p>  {{{{{{{{{ Group Capt. Lionel  }}}}}}}}}</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fwiw, fahrender did apologize at 15 on the Sunday head thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fwiw, fahrender did apologize at 15 on the Sunday head thread.</p>
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		<title>By: John Casper</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks jayt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: jayt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-501376&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;72462 @&lt;br /&gt;
                168              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I want to thank this fahrender person who told me to shut up, for reminding me how unacceptable and useless I am as a human being.  It’s funny that I’ve read so much on this blog about what a caring community FDL is, how supportive of people like me who take the injustices of life to heart and cry and ache about them.  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s funny since that’s what brought me here.  Thoughtful discussion with intelligent, sensitive people.  But it’s not for me, as are many things that come so naturally to other human beings of normal persuasion.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is good to be reminded of the negative, unacceptable social consequence of one’s illness in order to put things into perspective.  Sending out tears into cyberspace among people you’ve never seen, boy that is about the dumbest, most pathetic thing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Human beings, by nature, enjoy seeing others fail and be humiliated.  Not that we want to acknowledge that but it’s true. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So it’s fitting that I chuck the internet and cable TV and all those things that remind me of what a heartbreak this life is for others since it affects me personally.  The thing that makes me odd, so unacceptable, is the obsession I have with the injustices that plague our society, that it makes me rather unsavory to be around at times, since I want to talk about them, instead of things like shopping and pedicures.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again, how ironic, that I came to a place like this to seek relief, to perhaps feel a little less odd.  And yet, here, it is the same.  Not shallow, just another place where I do not belong.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I saw that fahrender posted an apololgy to someone (I believe to you). I beleive it was yesterday, possibly on the first thread of the morning. Sorry I don’t have it at hand to cite it to you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><i>I want to thank this fahrender person who told me to shut up, for reminding me how unacceptable and useless I am as a human being.  It’s funny that I’ve read so much on this blog about what a caring community FDL is, how supportive of people like me who take the injustices of life to heart and cry and ache about them.  </i></p>
<p>It’s funny since that’s what brought me here.  Thoughtful discussion with intelligent, sensitive people.  But it’s not for me, as are many things that come so naturally to other human beings of normal persuasion.  </p>
<p>It is good to be reminded of the negative, unacceptable social consequence of one’s illness in order to put things into perspective.  Sending out tears into cyberspace among people you’ve never seen, boy that is about the dumbest, most pathetic thing. </p>
<p>Human beings, by nature, enjoy seeing others fail and be humiliated.  Not that we want to acknowledge that but it’s true. </p>
<p>So it’s fitting that I chuck the internet and cable TV and all those things that remind me of what a heartbreak this life is for others since it affects me personally.  The thing that makes me odd, so unacceptable, is the obsession I have with the injustices that plague our society, that it makes me rather unsavory to be around at times, since I want to talk about them, instead of things like shopping and pedicures.</p>
<p>Again, how ironic, that I came to a place like this to seek relief, to perhaps feel a little less odd.  And yet, here, it is the same.  Not shallow, just another place where I do not belong.</p>
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<p>I saw that fahrender posted an apololgy to someone (I believe to you). I beleive it was yesterday, possibly on the first thread of the morning. Sorry I don’t have it at hand to cite it to you.</p>
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		<title>By: kathryn in MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathryn in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-501218&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;punaise @&lt;br /&gt;
                31              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;wow: Rotring - there’s a name I had forgotten. any architect or engineer working prior to the advent of CAD would have a full set of finicky &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rotring.de/www.rotring.com/index.html&quot;&gt;Rapidograph&lt;/a&gt; ink drawing pens.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i used Rapidograph pens and K&amp;E lettering templates - was technical illustrator at National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Charlottesville drawing the first graphs by those whacked out scientists. - one thought rolling around there -&gt; black holes and quasars are the exit and entrance from a parallel universe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>wow: Rotring &#8211; there’s a name I had forgotten. any architect or engineer working prior to the advent of CAD would have a full set of finicky <a href="http://www.rotring.de/www.rotring.com/index.html">Rapidograph</a> ink drawing pens.</p>
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<p>i used Rapidograph pens and K&amp;E lettering templates &#8211; was technical illustrator at National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Charlottesville drawing the first graphs by those whacked out scientists. &#8211; one thought rolling around there -&gt; black holes and quasars are the exit and entrance from a parallel universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just got The Peanut to preschool, poured myself my first cuppa coffee, got a new thread up for everyone and am cooking breakfast for me and Mr. ReddHedd.  Sat down to peer through the late nite thread and find some sort of personal discord.  Please, for the love of all that is holy, let’s not start the week with some sort of petty nastiness.  Be kind to each other, people.  I have to sleep sometimes, and so do the mods, and being snipey with each other just makes that more difficult for all of us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No name calling.  No mean malarky.  None.  It’s Monday, the defense case starts today, and it’s going to be another long slog through post management and server issues and high traffic and whatnot.  And I am exhausted from managing all of this.  So, here it goes:  I do not care who started it.  I do not care who got in the middle of it.  It stops here, and does not continue to other threads.  Let’s try to be more thoughtful, more tolerant, and more kind from here forward.  Don’t make me take out my angry eyes…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got The Peanut to preschool, poured myself my first cuppa coffee, got a new thread up for everyone and am cooking breakfast for me and Mr. ReddHedd.  Sat down to peer through the late nite thread and find some sort of personal discord.  Please, for the love of all that is holy, let’s not start the week with some sort of petty nastiness.  Be kind to each other, people.  I have to sleep sometimes, and so do the mods, and being snipey with each other just makes that more difficult for all of us.</p>
<p>No name calling.  No mean malarky.  None.  It’s Monday, the defense case starts today, and it’s going to be another long slog through post management and server issues and high traffic and whatnot.  And I am exhausted from managing all of this.  So, here it goes:  I do not care who started it.  I do not care who got in the middle of it.  It stops here, and does not continue to other threads.  Let’s try to be more thoughtful, more tolerant, and more kind from here forward.  Don’t make me take out my angry eyes…</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;72462—&lt;i&gt;Sending out tears into cyberspace among people you’ve never seen, boy that is about the dumbest, most pathetic thing.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well then I’m dumb and pathetic nearly every day.  If you’re a frequent reader here you will come across my bipolar/ADHD/OCD rants.  It’s the good, the bad, and the ugly, and people here have been so wonderful in response.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if you are dealing with the physical or the mental, but my &lt;a href=&quot;http://mcegregious.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;humble blog&lt;/a&gt; deals with the intersection of political angst and mental illness.  Come on over and tell us what’s on your mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>72462—<i>Sending out tears into cyberspace among people you’ve never seen, boy that is about the dumbest, most pathetic thing.</i></p>
<p>Well then I’m dumb and pathetic nearly every day.  If you’re a frequent reader here you will come across my bipolar/ADHD/OCD rants.  It’s the good, the bad, and the ugly, and people here have been so wonderful in response.  </p>
<p>I don’t know if you are dealing with the physical or the mental, but my <a href="http://mcegregious.blogspot.com">humble blog</a> deals with the intersection of political angst and mental illness.  Come on over and tell us what’s on your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;72462—&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wo.  I missed all of this.  For the most part FDL is a caring community, we have spent a lot of time and trouble making it so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please don’t take a single person’s hasty comment as being reflective of the lake as a whole.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Wo.  I missed all of this.  For the most part FDL is a caring community, we have spent a lot of time and trouble making it so.</p>
<p>Please don’t take a single person’s hasty comment as being reflective of the lake as a whole.</p>
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