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		<title>By: farang</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/11/fdl-book-salon-us-v-bush-et-al/#comment-501353</link>
		<dc:creator>farang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Please be polite…” Gee Christy, is it usual for FDL commenters to be rude to undeserving contributors? Feel like mom is watching me. Kinda weird feeling for 51, if you know what I mean. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s just say farang is positive that Cheney is the Maestro of 9/11/01. The one that turned PNAC wet dreams of Iraq/Middle East invasion/domination into Israel’s orgasm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that I wish fervently for the day when Cheney is asked, under oath, WTF he meant when “the young officer” came and went numerous times into the war room of the White House Bunker, and told Cheney the “plane is 40 miles out”, “the plane is 20 miles out”, “the plane is 10 miles out, do the orders still stand?”, and the War Criminal and Traitor replied: “Did you hear orders to the contrary?” THAT my friends, is on video. Norman Mineta gave the testimony, then was forced to resign by the White House.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WTF does THAT MEAN?????? LET THE PLANE HIT????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What else could it mean?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Please be polite…” Gee Christy, is it usual for FDL commenters to be rude to undeserving contributors? Feel like mom is watching me. Kinda weird feeling for 51, if you know what I mean. </p>
<p>Let’s just say farang is positive that Cheney is the Maestro of 9/11/01. The one that turned PNAC wet dreams of Iraq/Middle East invasion/domination into Israel’s orgasm.</p>
<p>And that I wish fervently for the day when Cheney is asked, under oath, WTF he meant when “the young officer” came and went numerous times into the war room of the White House Bunker, and told Cheney the “plane is 40 miles out”, “the plane is 20 miles out”, “the plane is 10 miles out, do the orders still stand?”, and the War Criminal and Traitor replied: “Did you hear orders to the contrary?” THAT my friends, is on video. Norman Mineta gave the testimony, then was forced to resign by the White House.</p>
<p>WTF does THAT MEAN?????? LET THE PLANE HIT????</p>
<p>What else could it mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Ms. de la Vega for being here and most importantly for the hard work and sacrifice you made to generate this important resource.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate to be cold water here, but I don’t think it is so much the Administration trying to run down the clock; that’s to a certain extent both obvious and expected. The real issue is the Congress running the time out. Ach, I wish it weren’t so, but our trusty congresscritters who we put in to stop these people don’t want to spend their “political capital” on this. Dems probably hope to do more effective pushback on the policies if they set accountability aside.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It really is up to us. We understand the damage to our national honor, reputation, law and posterity that flows forward from this Presidency into the future as a result of a passive acceptance of its criminal behavior. Our understanding became our motivational force; it can with others too - if we rub their noses in it, pronto!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ms. de la Vega for being here and most importantly for the hard work and sacrifice you made to generate this important resource.</p>
<p>I hate to be cold water here, but I don’t think it is so much the Administration trying to run down the clock; that’s to a certain extent both obvious and expected. The real issue is the Congress running the time out. Ach, I wish it weren’t so, but our trusty congresscritters who we put in to stop these people don’t want to spend their “political capital” on this. Dems probably hope to do more effective pushback on the policies if they set accountability aside.</p>
<p>It really is up to us. We understand the damage to our national honor, reputation, law and posterity that flows forward from this Presidency into the future as a result of a passive acceptance of its criminal behavior. Our understanding became our motivational force; it can with others too &#8211; if we rub their noses in it, pronto!</p>
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		<title>By: meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-500864&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @                 150              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Elizabeth at 145 — I was thinking through civic groups and such, but which ones and how to best do that?  No idea.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know that broadband has opened my eyes and I tell everyone to get it…. high speed internet should be free, like tv “used” to be…. to facilitate citizens’ brainstorming of our democracy. Like tonight!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-500864"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @                 150              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Elizabeth at 145 — I was thinking through civic groups and such, but which ones and how to best do that?  No idea.</p>
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<p>I know that broadband has opened my eyes and I tell everyone to get it…. high speed internet should be free, like tv “used” to be…. to facilitate citizens’ brainstorming of our democracy. Like tonight!</p>
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		<title>By: nuncamas21</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuncamas21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oklahoma is one of maybe two states that has its own impeachment mechanism via grand jury. per state law.  Jerry Pippin who has a radio show has been circulating a petition since last year to convene a grand jury for that purpose.  It doesn’t have enough signatories as yet.   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.petitiononline.com/gjprobe/petition.html&quot;&gt;http://www.petitiononline.com/.....ition.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oklahoma is one of maybe two states that has its own impeachment mechanism via grand jury. per state law.  Jerry Pippin who has a radio show has been circulating a petition since last year to convene a grand jury for that purpose.  It doesn’t have enough signatories as yet.   <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/gjprobe/petition.html">http://www.petitiononline.com/&#8230;..ition.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary @ The Left Coaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary @ The Left Coaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Betsy!  Your book is incredibly well written and Christy’s description that it was infuriatingly readable is right on.  I think we Americans have been so inured to lying and secrecy by our government officials that we’ve basically lost the hope that we will ever bring these monsters to justice.  Your book brings us hope that it will be possible to make them pay for their crimes.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m so glad you are getting more TV time too because that is where the broad American public gets their news.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Betsy!  Your book is incredibly well written and Christy’s description that it was infuriatingly readable is right on.  I think we Americans have been so inured to lying and secrecy by our government officials that we’ve basically lost the hope that we will ever bring these monsters to justice.  Your book brings us hope that it will be possible to make them pay for their crimes.  </p>
<p>I’m so glad you are getting more TV time too because that is where the broad American public gets their news.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-500944&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LJ @ 191&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As a former federal prosecutor, would your standard for bringing a conspiracy charge against, oh let’s say a sitting VP, have to be higher?  If so how high?  In other words, is there such a thing as “going too far?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hence the catchy nom de plume.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-500944"><em>LJ @ 191</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>As a former federal prosecutor, would your standard for bringing a conspiracy charge against, oh let’s say a sitting VP, have to be higher?  If so how high?  In other words, is there such a thing as “going too far?”</p>
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<p>Hence the catchy nom de plume.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is why Fitzgerald’s state months ago about CONSPIRACY are so critical. Nixon was busted– as in the mass public saw what had gone done– and so to may this regime.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-500855&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;DeanOR @ 142&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-500826&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 114&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;PR at 107 — The answer to that question truly lies in an examination of what happened with Nixon and why.  Public opinion must grow sufficiently strong that members of Congress cannot ignore it — or to a point that they know to ignore it could mean something catastrophic to their own political careers.  THAT is the point where you see action onsomething of this magnitude with the current crop of elected officials.  Whether this or any other meaningful oversight or accountability goes forward is up to all of us.  Every single one of us — making a statement that we expect accountability.  And we expect it now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s where this book is a great service. We had to get the public past the idea that impeachment is unthinkable and educate people about the fact that it is a constitutional right, even a “duty.”  Simply saying the “I” word helped. Now with the book it is fleshed out in expert fashion so we non-lawyers can arm ourselves for the fight.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why Fitzgerald’s state months ago about CONSPIRACY are so critical. Nixon was busted– as in the mass public saw what had gone done– and so to may this regime.<br />
<a href="#comment-500855"><em>DeanOR @ 142</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-500826"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 114</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>PR at 107 — The answer to that question truly lies in an examination of what happened with Nixon and why.  Public opinion must grow sufficiently strong that members of Congress cannot ignore it — or to a point that they know to ignore it could mean something catastrophic to their own political careers.  THAT is the point where you see action onsomething of this magnitude with the current crop of elected officials.  Whether this or any other meaningful oversight or accountability goes forward is up to all of us.  Every single one of us — making a statement that we expect accountability.  And we expect it now.</p>
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<p>That’s where this book is a great service. We had to get the public past the idea that impeachment is unthinkable and educate people about the fact that it is a constitutional right, even a “duty.”  Simply saying the “I” word helped. Now with the book it is fleshed out in expert fashion so we non-lawyers can arm ourselves for the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: LJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a former federal prosecutor, would your standard for bringing a conspiracy charge against, oh let’s say a sitting VP, have to be higher?  If so how high?  In other words, is there such a thing as “going to far?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former federal prosecutor, would your standard for bringing a conspiracy charge against, oh let’s say a sitting VP, have to be higher?  If so how high?  In other words, is there such a thing as “going to far?”</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this great thread. I happened to catch  Ms de la Vega yesterday. Actually, I cleaned house by CSPAN-2 yeasterday afternoon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this great thread. I happened to catch  Ms de la Vega yesterday. Actually, I cleaned house by CSPAN-2 yeasterday afternoon.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-500900&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TheOtherWA @&lt;br /&gt;
                177              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I worry about the Bush regime never leaving office too. Remember Paul Bremer’s title while he was running the CPA? He was called the Viceroy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;viceroy&lt;br /&gt;
1.	a person appointed to rule a country or province &lt;b&gt;as the deputy of the sovereign&lt;/b&gt;: the viceroy of India.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or the viceroy of Iraq. The problem is, &lt;b&gt;we don’t have a soverign&lt;/b&gt;. The question is, do Bush and Cheney know that?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re right TOW, except about the sovereigns, because &lt;b&gt;we &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have sovereigns&lt;/b&gt;, only they aren’t who/m Bush and Cheney think they are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/3435&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;They are us&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-500900"><em>TheOtherWA @<br />
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<blockquote><p>I worry about the Bush regime never leaving office too. Remember Paul Bremer’s title while he was running the CPA? He was called the Viceroy.</p>
<blockquote><p>viceroy<br />
1.	a person appointed to rule a country or province <b>as the deputy of the sovereign</b>: the viceroy of India.</p>
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<p>Or the viceroy of Iraq. The problem is, <b>we don’t have a soverign</b>. The question is, do Bush and Cheney know that?</p>
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<p>You’re right TOW, except about the sovereigns, because <b>we <i>do</i> have sovereigns</b>, only they aren’t who/m Bush and Cheney think they are.</p>
<p><a href="http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/3435"><b>They are us</b></a></p>
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