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		<title>By: ohioblue</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohioblue</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mrs. K8 - Thanks for the response regarding zennurse.  The last I remember she was traveling (maybe to California) and then her hard drive was acting up.  Anyhow, I miss her and worry why she’s not here at this historic time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have a great week digesting your even greater news!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. K8 &#8211; Thanks for the response regarding zennurse.  The last I remember she was traveling (maybe to California) and then her hard drive was acting up.  Anyhow, I miss her and worry why she’s not here at this historic time.</p>
<p>Have a great week digesting your even greater news!</p>
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		<title>By: carwinrpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>carwinrpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-500996&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;David Ehrenstein @&lt;br /&gt;
                82              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m reading William Gaddis’ &lt;em&gt;JR&lt;/em&gt;, having finally caught up with his first masterpiece &lt;em&gt;The Recognitions&lt;/em&gt; last year. Gaddis is who Pynchon wants to be when he grows up. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Other books I’ve enjoyed recently include Gore Vidal’s &lt;em&gt;Point to Point Navigation&lt;/em&gt; and Dennis Cooper’s &lt;em&gt;God Jr.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t for the life of me understand where comments like this come from–you certainly don’t convince me of YOUR critical acuity by saying that you think one undeniably great writer is better than the next undeniably great writer.  Both are unique–get it?–UNIQUE.  If Pynchon was trying to be like Gaddis, I would agree he failed at the attempt.  I see nothing in such works as V or Gravity’s Rainbow, or even Mason and Dixon(much less Against the Day, which I’m just finishing)that makes me think that is Pynchon’s program.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great writers who work in the same era can only be ranked, if at all, when their works have been ripened by being on our shelves for a LONG time.  Some are clearly great in their own era–Faulkner, Yeats, Joyce, Shakespeare(who however had his contemporanious detractors)–I could write for pages.  Others are, in a famous analogy, like the mountain that only reveals its true height as we move ever further away from it.  Will Blood Meridian be one of those books(to bring in another great writer who is often left out of the discussion)?  Will Stephen King, whose case strikes me as a lot like Dickens’s–vastly popular and because of that not respected–I don’t know because I haven’t read him.  But you’ll notice that I don’t call him a Dickens wannabe.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it safe to make two observations about Gaddis and Pynchon.  Neither is terribly widely read–Gaddis even less so than Pynchon.  Both are writers who can be very difficult–for completely different reasons.  I find Gaddis more of a trial, but I love him–especially Recognitions and Carpenter’s Gothic.  I find in Pynchon, however, a mirthful nihilism that masks something much darker(if that’s possible).  He has a way of writing that actually defies the conventions of expression, that undercuts the actual structure, the elements, of meaning, of the sentence.  I think a naive reader could get through all of his work and not notice that he does this.  You could get distracted by the Trollope-like obsession with silly names:  where Trollope had Dr. Fillgrave, Pynchon has the spa named “Bad Karma”, but that is far from the most important part of Pynchon’s program.  I could go on, again, for pages about what I love in his works–the recondite learning, the farce, the obscenity, the decameron-like story telling, the revival of history unwisely forgotten, but if you can’t discuss him in any way other than to dismiss him, where would be the point?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suggest that you either remember why you fell in love with reading in the first place, Mr. Ehrenstein, and go back to look at Pynchon again with a more open mind, or at least remember that dismissals like the one you make of Pynchon are actually destructive, for they destroy the dialogue that all art exists in.  It’s the lesson of the ages in this regard.  It’s okay to say WHY you don’t care for Pynchon because that furthers the conversation, it isn’t okay to say that he’s no good at all, or that he’s sophomoric because that ENDS conversation.  It’s a form of ad hominem attack–which helps no one&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-500996"><em>David Ehrenstein @<br />
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<blockquote><p>I’m reading William Gaddis’ <em>JR</em>, having finally caught up with his first masterpiece <em>The Recognitions</em> last year. Gaddis is who Pynchon wants to be when he grows up. </p>
<p>Other books I’ve enjoyed recently include Gore Vidal’s <em>Point to Point Navigation</em> and Dennis Cooper’s <em>God Jr.</em></p>
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<p>I can’t for the life of me understand where comments like this come from–you certainly don’t convince me of YOUR critical acuity by saying that you think one undeniably great writer is better than the next undeniably great writer.  Both are unique–get it?–UNIQUE.  If Pynchon was trying to be like Gaddis, I would agree he failed at the attempt.  I see nothing in such works as V or Gravity’s Rainbow, or even Mason and Dixon(much less Against the Day, which I’m just finishing)that makes me think that is Pynchon’s program.  </p>
<p>Great writers who work in the same era can only be ranked, if at all, when their works have been ripened by being on our shelves for a LONG time.  Some are clearly great in their own era–Faulkner, Yeats, Joyce, Shakespeare(who however had his contemporanious detractors)–I could write for pages.  Others are, in a famous analogy, like the mountain that only reveals its true height as we move ever further away from it.  Will Blood Meridian be one of those books(to bring in another great writer who is often left out of the discussion)?  Will Stephen King, whose case strikes me as a lot like Dickens’s–vastly popular and because of that not respected–I don’t know because I haven’t read him.  But you’ll notice that I don’t call him a Dickens wannabe.  </p>
<p>I think it safe to make two observations about Gaddis and Pynchon.  Neither is terribly widely read–Gaddis even less so than Pynchon.  Both are writers who can be very difficult–for completely different reasons.  I find Gaddis more of a trial, but I love him–especially Recognitions and Carpenter’s Gothic.  I find in Pynchon, however, a mirthful nihilism that masks something much darker(if that’s possible).  He has a way of writing that actually defies the conventions of expression, that undercuts the actual structure, the elements, of meaning, of the sentence.  I think a naive reader could get through all of his work and not notice that he does this.  You could get distracted by the Trollope-like obsession with silly names:  where Trollope had Dr. Fillgrave, Pynchon has the spa named “Bad Karma”, but that is far from the most important part of Pynchon’s program.  I could go on, again, for pages about what I love in his works–the recondite learning, the farce, the obscenity, the decameron-like story telling, the revival of history unwisely forgotten, but if you can’t discuss him in any way other than to dismiss him, where would be the point?</p>
<p>I suggest that you either remember why you fell in love with reading in the first place, Mr. Ehrenstein, and go back to look at Pynchon again with a more open mind, or at least remember that dismissals like the one you make of Pynchon are actually destructive, for they destroy the dialogue that all art exists in.  It’s the lesson of the ages in this regard.  It’s okay to say WHY you don’t care for Pynchon because that furthers the conversation, it isn’t okay to say that he’s no good at all, or that he’s sophomoric because that ENDS conversation.  It’s a form of ad hominem attack–which helps no one</p>
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		<title>By: indianamike</title>
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		<dc:creator>indianamike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Four on the Vietnam War that I’ve read int he last six months and enjoyed:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christian G Appy’s Patriots&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Le Ly Hayslip’s two books which i read after seeing Oliver Stone’s Heaven and Earth:&lt;br /&gt;
When Heaven and Earth changed places&lt;br /&gt;
and&lt;br /&gt;
Child of War Woman of Peace&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gloria Emerson’s Winners and Losers&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Next up:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Roy Morris’ Fraud of the Century&lt;br /&gt;
and&lt;br /&gt;
David McCullough’s Mornings on Horseback&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four on the Vietnam War that I’ve read int he last six months and enjoyed:</p>
<p>Christian G Appy’s Patriots</p>
<p>Le Ly Hayslip’s two books which i read after seeing Oliver Stone’s Heaven and Earth:<br />
When Heaven and Earth changed places<br />
and<br />
Child of War Woman of Peace</p>
<p>Gloria Emerson’s Winners and Losers</p>
<p>Next up:</p>
<p>Roy Morris’ Fraud of the Century<br />
and<br />
David McCullough’s Mornings on Horseback</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Midkiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Midkiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;The House of Sand and Fog&lt;/b&gt; Beautifully written fiction. Chilling, characters beautifully realized, unforgettable story. READ IT if you haven’t already.&lt;br /&gt;
Also, &lt;b&gt;The Time Traveler’s Wife&lt;/b&gt; Amazing.&lt;br /&gt;
I find it so difficult to read books on the fuck-ups of this administration. I just end up getting too angry when it is distilled for me like that. I drive myself crazy enough with newspapers and superb websites such as this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The House of Sand and Fog</b> Beautifully written fiction. Chilling, characters beautifully realized, unforgettable story. READ IT if you haven’t already.<br />
Also, <b>The Time Traveler’s Wife</b> Amazing.<br />
I find it so difficult to read books on the fuck-ups of this administration. I just end up getting too angry when it is distilled for me like that. I drive myself crazy enough with newspapers and superb websites such as this.</p>
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		<title>By: bob h</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;J. Anthony Lukas’ “Nightmare-the Underside of the Nixon Years” is superb, with many resonances with today’s news.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Anthony Lukas’ “Nightmare-the Underside of the Nixon Years” is superb, with many resonances with today’s news.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Geez, Christy, I hope someone compiles and posts the results! A FireDogLake reading list! What a concept! Here’s what’s piling up for me, in no particular order:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, by Jimmy Carter. I admire President Carter not only for writing this book, but also for facing the firestorm of criticism that has been thrown at him for breaking several taboos that have crippled open debate on our options in the Israel/Palestine conflict. We have badly needed a book like this, and an author of his stature, for decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. George W. Bush vs. the U.S. Constitution, ed. by Anita Miller (2006)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Impeach the President: The Case against Bush and Cheney, ed. by Dennis Loo &amp; Peter Phillips (2006)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4. The Case for Impeachment, by Dave Lindorff &amp; Barbara Olshansky (2006)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5. The Genius of Impeachment, by John Nichols (2006)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6. Articles of Impeachment against George W. Bush, by the Center for Constitutional Rights (Second ed., 2006)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Do you see a pattern here???)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And of course,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7. Anatomy of Deceit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s the best book or blog or article for the grounds to impeach Cheney? Anatomy of Deceit? I want that one on my list, if its not there already.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Christy, I hope someone compiles and posts the results! A FireDogLake reading list! What a concept! Here’s what’s piling up for me, in no particular order:</p>
<p>1. Palestine: Peace not Apartheid, by Jimmy Carter. I admire President Carter not only for writing this book, but also for facing the firestorm of criticism that has been thrown at him for breaking several taboos that have crippled open debate on our options in the Israel/Palestine conflict. We have badly needed a book like this, and an author of his stature, for decades.</p>
<p>2. George W. Bush vs. the U.S. Constitution, ed. by Anita Miller (2006)</p>
<p>3. Impeach the President: The Case against Bush and Cheney, ed. by Dennis Loo &amp; Peter Phillips (2006)</p>
<p>4. The Case for Impeachment, by Dave Lindorff &amp; Barbara Olshansky (2006)</p>
<p>5. The Genius of Impeachment, by John Nichols (2006)</p>
<p>6. Articles of Impeachment against George W. Bush, by the Center for Constitutional Rights (Second ed., 2006)</p>
<p>(Do you see a pattern here???)</p>
<p>And of course,</p>
<p>7. Anatomy of Deceit.</p>
<p>What’s the best book or blog or article for the grounds to impeach Cheney? Anatomy of Deceit? I want that one on my list, if its not there already.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A laugh out loud even in quiet places like waiting rooms book just finished is Sam Seder’s “FUBAR.”  First two chapters were a little sluggish but it takes off in chapter 3.  Absolutely hilarious yet still very informative.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TBR: “Breakpoint,” -  Richard Clarke; “The God Delusion,” -  Richard Dawkins; and “Spook” - Mary Roach.  And now, every single book already mentioned here!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A laugh out loud even in quiet places like waiting rooms book just finished is Sam Seder’s “FUBAR.”  First two chapters were a little sluggish but it takes off in chapter 3.  Absolutely hilarious yet still very informative.</p>
<p>TBR: “Breakpoint,” &#8211;  Richard Clarke; “The God Delusion,” &#8211;  Richard Dawkins; and “Spook” &#8211; Mary Roach.  And now, every single book already mentioned here!</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeaaaaaa! Mrs K8&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
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		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-501164&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rayne @ 181&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;neokneme — re: speed of mind — actually, I think I’ve read recently that the speed is 40Ghz in terms of frequency.  Stuff transmitted faster than that is not received, kind of like a dog whistle isn’t heard by humans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I don’t subscribe to his political positions (which seem oddly centrist to conservative compared to the rest of his works), I like Deepak Chopra’s philosophy or perspective on the nature of human existence.  Although he’s informed primarily by Hindu, Sufi and Buddhist traditions, I think his model of the soul makes great sense.  But then I also came to agree with his perspective after experiencing what I would call a transcendent or kundalini event; the concept of the individual being part of a larger whole made complete sense in that state.  Particle became wave, collapsing in a moment.  Think Chopra’s last book is a restatement of much of what he’s said before, except that he’s become far more efficient at explaining it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.noetic.org/&quot;&gt;http://www.noetic.org/&lt;/a&gt; if you enjoy exploring the expansion of the noosphere.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the come-back.  Your sharing is a highlight of FDL.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noema&quot;&gt;noema&lt;/a&gt; is a filter which is too selective to escape its self-resonance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what makes U.G.’s explication so compelling.  It undermines rationality as we know it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forty GHz?  That’s fast!  That would be 25 pico-seconds.  At roughly 100 ps/in, that is only a quarter of an inch.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suppose thought could operate in a BB sized portion of my brain!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;code&gt;:~}&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-501164"><em>Rayne @ 181</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>neokneme — re: speed of mind — actually, I think I’ve read recently that the speed is 40Ghz in terms of frequency.  Stuff transmitted faster than that is not received, kind of like a dog whistle isn’t heard by humans.</p>
<p>While I don’t subscribe to his political positions (which seem oddly centrist to conservative compared to the rest of his works), I like Deepak Chopra’s philosophy or perspective on the nature of human existence.  Although he’s informed primarily by Hindu, Sufi and Buddhist traditions, I think his model of the soul makes great sense.  But then I also came to agree with his perspective after experiencing what I would call a transcendent or kundalini event; the concept of the individual being part of a larger whole made complete sense in that state.  Particle became wave, collapsing in a moment.  Think Chopra’s last book is a restatement of much of what he’s said before, except that he’s become far more efficient at explaining it.</p>
<p>I recommend <a href="http://www.noetic.org/">http://www.noetic.org/</a> if you enjoy exploring the expansion of the noosphere.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the come-back.  Your sharing is a highlight of FDL.  </p>
<p>Our <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noema">noema</a> is a filter which is too selective to escape its self-resonance.</p>
<p>That’s what makes U.G.’s explication so compelling.  It undermines rationality as we know it.</p>
<p>Forty GHz?  That’s fast!  That would be 25 pico-seconds.  At roughly 100 ps/in, that is only a quarter of an inch.  </p>
<p>I suppose thought could operate in a BB sized portion of my brain!<br />
<b><br />
<code>:~}</code></b></p>
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		<title>By: badgerminor</title>
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		<dc:creator>badgerminor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the top of the current TBR pile:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Bastard of Istanbul. Elif Shafak.&lt;br /&gt;
Wizard of the Crow. Ngugi Wa Thiong’o.&lt;br /&gt;
The Wandering Jew. Stefan Heym.&lt;br /&gt;
Fantomas. Marcel Allain.&lt;br /&gt;
Uncle Ovid’s Exercise Book. Don Webb.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the top of the current TBR pile:</p>
<p>The Bastard of Istanbul. Elif Shafak.<br />
Wizard of the Crow. Ngugi Wa Thiong’o.<br />
The Wandering Jew. Stefan Heym.<br />
Fantomas. Marcel Allain.<br />
Uncle Ovid’s Exercise Book. Don Webb.</p>
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