
There have been a lot of motions flying back and forth this weekend in the Libby trial, and there is some interesting speculation regarding the "will he or won't he" line of thought on Libby's testimony. Thought we could do with a bit of an update this morning on all of this, and wanted to include some peeks below the surface.
First, a reminder: this afternoon, we have a fantastic Book Salon guest. Elizabeth de la Vega will be here to discuss "U.S. v. Bush," which outlines a whole lot of the machinations that led up to the Iraq mess — the very issues that were questioned directly in Joe Wilson's op-ed regarding the lack of credibility of the public sales job on the war that the Bush Administration had done. For folks who have been following the Libby trial only sporadically, and who aren't well versed in the ways of the WHIG, the Vice President's office and the political undercurrent that dragged all of this along back in the summer of 2002, this is a Book Salon you do not want to miss. So please join us at 5 pm ET/2 pm PT for what, I am sure, will be a fantastic discussion of a lot of information that needs much wider and more thorough oversight and accountability. Hope to see you there!
The NYTimes has a profile of Ted Wells today, going into the start of the defense case tomorrow. It's an interesting tiny glimpse into the background of Wells, including information about how he has handled a number of high profile cases in the past. Coming into this trial, I had heard a lot about Wells' litigation prowess and jury rapport — but the week that I was in DC covering the proceedings, my entire view of Wells was clouded with this single incident, which happens to be part of the NYTimes profile as well — that moment when Wells overstepped regarding Cathie Martin's notes. This was all done outside the purview of the jury, but it has smacked of some level of desperation in the case in the back of my mind ever since, and I keep wondering why Wells would have pushed things to that extent over something that he clearly knew was a bluff that was to be easily called. As I said at the time:
In order to introduce the "memory defense" that Libby's legal team wants to use to defend Libby — the "my difficult job made me lie and forget" defense — Mr. Libby himself will have to take the stand because it is ultimately his memories which are at issue in terms of his state of mind and his alleged falsehoods to the FBI and the grand jury. During Mr. Schmall's testimony, the Libby defense team is trying to slip that memory defense and the national security information which has already been ruled, in part, to be very limitedly admissible, if at all, into the minds of the jury through a back door and a completely unrelated witness.
In effect, as prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald argued this morning, to "bootstrap" the evidence and the arguments into the case.
I can certainly understand wanting to defend your client with every legal weapon in your arsenal. I can also understand feeling constrained in terms of your defense because national security considerations require you to be circumspect in how you can or cannot introduce certain evidence into the trial proceedings. But the CIPA hearings in this matter occurred over a series of weeks, months even, and the Libby legal team has had quite some time ot work out their witness questions and other strategies to overcome this obstacle.
In fact, Judge Walton has bent over backward in a number of his rulings, pressing the government repeatedly for more expansive summary information to be provided as evidence for the jury's consideration — so much so that Fitzgerald and his team, and attorneys from the CIA had to start from scratch and re-draft and re-redact documents in order to fulfill the judge's orders.
To pull this sort of stunt during trial is a slap at the authority of the court and its very detailed, very specific orders — and the judge's very careful and thorough consideration of the defendant's rights to this very closely guarded, very difficult to obtain information regarding some highly classified national security matters. Judge Walton was clearly not happy, but was still leaning toward a ruling that left the information somewhat on the table for Team Libby until Wells could not stop himself from "gilding the lily" — Wells started arguing that CIA witnesses "should not be believed" because of their biases toward the Vice President's office, and that he should be able to argue that to the jury based on Schmall's briefing notes. Judge Walton informed Libby's legal team that he would not permit an argument on a memory defense at closing absent testimony from Libby, because otherwise the memory defense was not relevant to the proceedings…and that ended the argument, and the judge agreed to issue a terse cautionary instruction on the CIPA information and questions that Mr. Cline had asked, and we went on to the next legal argument.
Which was a mistake for Libby's legal team.
Ted Wells, lead trial counsel for Libby, completely overstepped in making an argument regarding some handwritten notes of the government's witness, Cathie Martin. Libby's trial team had been given copies of these notes a year or more ago, but just got around to asking to see the originals of the notes this past Saturday. Wells was arguing that the copies given by the government were illegible (Fitzgerald countered that they were not and that, were there problems reading any pages, Wells' team had had a year to notify the government and request a better copy, and had failed to do so until last Saturday). Wells then argued that they had not had enough time to read the notes, due to the number of documents which needed review — Wells made a big deal about the sheer volume of documents.
Huge error.
As it turned out, the sum total of all of Cathie Martin's handwritten notes in their original form totaled less than an inch of paper, most of which were not relevant to the proceedings at all. Those documents which corresponded with the government's intended exhibit proffer were a grand total of six pages. In making an argument which was built on a foundation of very hot air, Wells lost credibility with the judge, with the government, and worse for his client, with those in the media and public gallery.
In a town where reputation and power is everything, Libby's entire legal team was diminished in a matter of minutes with this one, petty, groundless and unnecessary stunt.
And so it has gone since that day in terms of arguments and counter-arguments and attempts to get the memory defense information in around the edges of testimony during the cross-examination.
This morning's LATimes asks whether we can expect to see Libby testify at all, something that we asked earlier as well based on some of the hints that Team Libby has been dropping in court and in motions filings over the past couple of weeks. From the LATimes:
The jury already has heard from Libby, through an audiotape of his grand jury testimony that the government played in court last week. The eight hours of testimony showed Libby sometimes struggling to answer questions from Fitzgerald, and may have left an impression that the defense wants to counter.
"The jury thinks it has a sense of who Libby is based on his grand jury testimony," said Dan Richman, a professor at Fordham Law School in New York and a former federal prosecutor. "Whether that could be changed is an open issue. [But] that testimony does put some pressure on Libby to testify."
Richman said that although jurors are not supposed to draw conclusions about a defendant's decision not to testify, it is inevitable that some will.
But he also acknowledged Libby's dilemma. "Given that the defense rests on a lack of recollection and a preoccupation with other matters, cogent, clear testimony from Libby now will sound odd," Richman said.
Some lawyers said that for Libby, the downside to testifying is too great. The government would be able to attack his credibility by introducing other evidence of alleged misstatements he made to investigators during the case, even if they were not included in the indictment. Fitzgerald is considered a formidable interrogator whose command of case material is tops among federal prosecutors.
"Pat Fitzgerald has a black binder 4 inches thick," said Joshua Berman, a Washington lawyer and former federal prosecutor who once worked with Fitzgerald on a terrorism case. "He is going to take big chunks out of Libby's credibility."
Not an easy choice, either way, but I agree with Richman that a lot of clear testimony from Libby on the stand at this point is going to raise a whole host of questions in the minds of the jurors, not the least of which is "why now, and not before the grand jury — what was Libby trying to hide then?" — and that is something that Team Libby's lawyers definitely do not want them thinking in an obstruction case. Not at all.
On the memory issue itself, the WaPo has an intriguing read about memories and the collective lack of historical understanding within the Beltway. Readers will recall that the Libby defense team lost on their attempt to get an expert witness to testify on the memory issue in motions prior to the start of the trial, and so we are left with the question asked by the LATimes: will Libby or won't he testify and, if not, how does this memory issue ever really get to the jury at all?
And, honestly, even if it does, how does the Libby defense overcome so many witnesses all having decidedly different memories about the repeated, intense conduct of Scooter Libby over pushback for the Wilson allegations? You can explain away a difference of opinion from one or two witnesses — but not a passle of witnesses all pointing toward the same, calculated, intense scrutiny and pushback from Vice President Cheney and his right-hand man, Libby, over a discreet period of time when this appears to have been a focus of their collective efforts: clearing the Vice President's name and reputation by whatever means were necessary.
Jeralyn has a couple of great updates on the trial as well. One on Andrea Mitchell — who has a LOT to answer for in her conduct surrounding this case, but I agree with Jeralyn that Judge Walton is not at all likely to allow the defense team to try and turn her into a bright, shiny object of distraction just because they feel like it. Motions flew over the weekend regarding what is and is not relevant with regard to Mitchell's testimony and the Libby indictment, and we'll likely see quite a bit of argument on these motions early in the week. As Jeralyn says:
I think the Judge won't let Wells ask Mitchell about her October, 2003 statement. It's too speculative: that the statement may have been true, which means she may have discussed it with Russert, which means Russert might have said something to Libby about Joseph Wilson's wife. Juries aren't supposed to pile inference upon inference in arriving at a conclusion.
I think this is correct, but the arguments on this particular set of motions ought to be both interesting and illuminating. And I still think that we have heard far too little from Ms. Mitchell on what was driving all this blather on her part. I look forward to some of the theories on that from Team Libby and Team Fitz.
The second bit of Jeralyn's was one that RevDeb pointed out to me yesterday afternoon, but I was swamped in working on other matters and couldn't get to it until this morning. There is a question about one of the portions of the indictment as it related to Judy Miller being dismissed as a part of the charges. Jeralyn points to some analysis that Tom Maguire did — parsing from the NYTimes article on the matter — and I think Tom is correct in pinpointing the likely portion.
Jane and I have long discussed here what a thorn Judy Miller was going to be for this case. Frankly, the word credibility doesn't even come close to being paired with La Diva Judy, so if any portions of the case were going to have difficulty, it would be the ones in which she was involved. This goes back to my earlier caution for everyone that "you don't find swans swimming in sewers," and that you work with the witnesses you have, not the ones you wish you could get from central casting in the best of all possible trial worlds.
What this means is that when you, as a prosecutor, have someone you believe to be a lying weasel of a human being, you can expect their cohorts in the alleged crime to exhibit the same behavior — you don't generally get testimony from righteous nuns or priests or saintly grandmother types in criminal trials. When you are dealing with high level politics and the DC Beltway crowd, what are the odds? Really?
Is this fatal to the entire case? No. It simply means that the particular segment in question will be taken out of the jury verdict consideration, and that everything else will remain intact for their consideration. Given the amount of material the jury will have to sift through in order to reach a verdict when the trial concludes, odds are that they won't really notice all that much, if at all, because this may never be pointed out to them in any substantive way. One tiny "part (c)" (as Tom refers to it), won't have a substantial impact considering the totality of the whole of the evidence.
There is a lot more out there about the case today. What has caught your eye?



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wow, christy… more like peeling an onion than an orange – there’s always more layers below.
Fitz!
selise @ 1
And it makes your eyes hurt.
Ms. de la Vega will also C-SPAN’s Book TV this afternoon, at 4:30 p.m. Eastern.
Highly recommended.
Christy!
Ya know, today has been a weird day.
Boehner and Hoyer agreeing that The American public doesnt’t want to waste their tax dolars on public campign financing.
Howard Kurtz saying the ramifications of the Libby case could have a chilling effect on reporter/source relationships.
Feith spinning his story and winking to Walllace after the script was finished.
Russert complaining that it sure is tough when you can only answer yes and no.
Calling my congresscritters and getting the polite blow off concerning the war.
When is this going to get better?
ifthethunderdontgetya @
3
Oh, but grilled and/or roasted? Tasty!!
On a serious note, I am wondering the impact of all this on the “evidence” that Iran is linked to the insurgency in Iraq.
I pray that the Congress does not let this slip.
I got this
ml”>link today.
The establishment is in full on defensive mode in all quarters, media, political, military.
The air is getting thick these days, a war is coming again…..
Putin fired off some warnining rounds over America’s head at a speech with Gates and McCain sitting stone faced listening to a Russian semi-despot lecture the US about behaving dictatorial.
People are wigging out.
-GSD
i don’t have any interesting libby links to contribute – i’m just trying to follow along… and very grateful to all the experts here.
wrt to current iraq situation… robert fisk has an interesting piece, “Iraqi insurgents offer peace in return for US concessions“, on an offer for negotiations.
Darn it, the link is here, for that last goof.
Preview is my friend.
Christy: You have been a must read this last month! Kudo’s.
Jane: Best wishes and good health..look forward to your next blogging movie :)
Ok..I’ll go back to reading and I’ll click paypal. Go FDL!
I keep wondering how it is that Libby can remember something that didn’t happen, and not remember something that did. I’ll have to read the Post article on memory and hope that this is answered. I can’t tell if Russert was a believable witness or not. But I don’t know why he would insist that he did not tell Libby about Plame, if in fact as Libby claims, he did. What would be Russert’s rationale? Why lie? It’s much easier to understand why Libby would lie.
Speaking of Andrea Mitchell – haven’t seen hide n’er hair of her lately. I admit I haven’t been exactly glued to MSNBC/NBC but I have had it on quite a bit and no Andrea.
Anybody seen her in the last week or so? If not, could she be hiding?
robin andrea @ 13
I think he was actually telling the truth this time. It must have been very painful for him.
“Russert complaining that it sure is tough when you can only answer yes and no.”
Thank God he can now tell the WHOLE story without rules or interruption- so when does he begin?
Thanks to the Mods for helping me above!! Team FDL is a well-oiled force.
I am also hoping that the “presidential” campaigns now underway are feeling some heat from all the lies told. The Hillary smackdown yesterday by voters in NH on her war votes have been covered both on ABC and NPR. . .so the bs factor is wearing out.
OT, from previous thread:
Atrios is a Martian …?
This makes me very angry indeed
;>)
Libby will roll over on Cheney. Little men don’t do well in the joint.
I know my memory would improve under the right circumstances, such as immunity.
I know many attorneys. I can’t think of any without dementia who can’t recall every word read or spoken in their experience.
[Mod Note; edited to remove potentially misunderstood references.]
Christy –
Very nicely summarized. And thanks, again and again, to all of the Plame-Libby-ologists posting here.
What has struck me about this case is how much Cheney is a Nixon disciple – full of ambition to get his “enemies” no matter what the cost. I never thought we’d see an administration as petty, venal, and dangerous as Nixon’s (which, of course, had a petty, venal, and corrupt VP for a while) but I guess when the bar is set that low, some people feel the need to crawl under it..
Did anyone watch Elizabeth de la Vega last evening on C-Span on a show with Garrison Keilor(sp?)? From the brief part that I saw, she was very good.
rwcole @ 16
I often admire your posts and point of view. You hit the mark again with this one. The answer, of course, is – it ain’t gonna happen.
Thanks Christy.
I’ve been listening to Scooter’s GJ testimony . When his voice drops, you can just sense him saying to himself, “oh sh*t, am I in deep.“
Ann in AZ @ 21
I saw a little of it. Yeah, she’s very good. She makes a calm and reasonable argument for inpeachment.
I got a kick out of this article in WashPost’s Style section today. It describes the “memory defense”, as pertains to Libby’s case, as well as some cases in the past… good timing for the article, with a very prominent photo of Irving Lewis Libby on the interior pages.
What caught my eye was something tangential. Judy’s old partner in
crime, reporting on WMDs in Iraq, Michael R. Gordon. He’s at it again.Luckily, I was able to view this information through a filter, thereby avoiding having my head explode at the sudden realization: I had forgotten that she didn’t write all of that dreck herself. Thank God for searchable archives, and great sources of analysis, informed commentary and, of course, Snark (gotta laugh, even if darkly). Firedoglake, thanks.
Nixon was a rank amateur compared to Cheney. He’s a minor Shakespearean villain whereas Cheney is out of Christopher Marlowe.
Ann in AZ @ 21
I saw that too. She is really interesting and doesn’t get flustered when asked tough questions. I was really impressed. Any news on mrsk8?
So if Libby isn’t allowed to use his memory defense- what IS his defense? Russert hates me so he’s lyin? I haven’t followed the case very closely- but it begins to appear that he’s screwed barring a gooper juror willing to put ideology above the truth and his/her oath.
So why did he try to pretend that he was gonna call Cheney? Why did he lead people to believe he would testify? What’s his plan?
Perhaps there has been an ongoing pardon negotiation going on until the last minute- Libby threatening to turn his defense into a Fat Dick weenie roast- if they didn’t cough up the pardon- and the White House sayin “Go for a strong appeal and drag this thing out- if you can drag it for two more years- will take care of you on the way out the door”..
Don’t know- but that would explain some of what we’ve seen.
darkblack @ 18
God Almighty! It took me five minutes to catch my breath after choking on a sip of wine. darkblack, you should warn folks! It’s SUNDAY, man! lol
Christy, what do you make of that nugget in Senator Levin’s statement on Friday that he intends to “invite” the former Chief of Staff in the VP’s Office to testify before Armed Services Committee, under oath, about how communications regarding intelligence between Doug Feith’s DOD operation and the OVP worked?
This is of course a different subject from matters pertaining to how the OVP dealt with Wilson/Plame materials, and a Congressional Committee is not really a trial, except that hanging out there are potential Contempt of Congress Charges as well as the possibility that Levin could offer limited use immunity on a narrowly drawn subject, (such as anything to do with Feith-Intelligence), and thus take away Libby’s 5th privilage on that nattow matter.
It struck me as fascinating that just as Wells is considering, Should Libby Testify Questions? Levin is saying, yea, in a different forum, he will testify, and unlike a trial, Congress has other ways of getting him to do so.
If I remember rightly, John Dean was responsible for drafting the Limited Use Immunity language for Nixon’s DOJ, way back when he worked for John Mitchell. Dean then used that language to protect his interests before the Ervin Committee.
If Levin forces Libby to testify about Feith doesn’t that either add to his problems, or provide an incentive to hug Fitz very closely and agree to “come to Jesus?”
Does Bush know that this trial is in process? He could have stopped it before it started like his father did with Iran/Contra. Since Bush Jr did not do the same here, I have to conclude that he is exceptionally delusional, despite recent Republican attempts to make him seem like Lincoln or Truman.
My two disappointments this a.m.are:
1) My Blitzer bantered all Sun a.m. about Aus Pr. Min Howard’s comments about Obama’s Iraq plan but failed to mention the really great retort from the Obama campaign and
1)On CSpan last night Ms. de la Vega did not seem to know about the state legislatures or bills in the House that have introduced the impeachment process when asked by the audience what they could do.
Excellent analysis, thanks rw.
Hi John- good ta see ya!
rwcole @ 29
i know nothing about this caper, and i know even less about the law and how trials play out but i’ve got a feelin’ that this thing won’t last much more than a week or two more, maybe less.
Sara @ 30
Senator Levin, please do not immunize Libby.
Please, please, please do not let well meanig Dems Fuck this Up!
If you MUST have your TV moment, subpeona hm, let him take the 5th and then make your speech; but please do nopt immunize him before his appeals are exhausted. Senator Levin, get some SERIOUS legal advice befor eyou call Libby. Do not screw this up!
Begging here
John Casper @ 33
I don’t think they pretended. I think it was, breifly, a possiblity. I think at one point they seriously considered how they would use Libby on the stand.
Like a chess match, they have war gamed and left open EVERY possible play.
“Dean then used that language to protect his interests before the Ervin Committee. “
Dean, as I recall, also went to jail.
The DOOMSDAY BOOK
I said on a previous thread;
if libby testifies, cheney is toast
it’s burnt toast, there is no butter, there is no milk to wash it down
cheney will be exposed as THE man who exposed our covert assets, at life peril not only to that asset, but to every single person associated with that asset, not only other covert assets but people not involved at all will be at life peril simply for having association with an exposed asset
cheny….will….be….toast
if libby testifies
my opinion is as follows
cheney has asked libby to take the fall, do not testify
if this is the case, in return, cheney might himself be forced to testify as a trade, however wells has to know cheney
s testimony can’t help
it might be a hail mary though, if wells thinks libby is indicted barring a miracle, then cheney testifies…hail mary.
but, as I said, I believe a request has been made to libby personally, please don’t take the stand.
this is all speculation and I have no idea what’s actually going on, but I cannot believe cheney wants libby to take the stand knowing what he knows is likely to be broadcast from that testimony
looseheadprop @ 38
I think it was a shiney object, designed to tax team fitz with as much preparation as neccessary to try to make his case less efficient
in addition, if the case looked like a close call they would give cheney a few minutes of very specific testimony…anything that strayed even a little from direct would be called a security risk to reveal, wells would be in good standing if he didn’t open ANY doors from the vice president
a shiny object, that’s it
I read the article at the following link and am quite puzzled by it: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/l ibby_trial_the_nbc_connection.html
I’ve been following the liveblog pretty closely and I can’t figure out what this guy is talking about. Namely, why would he say that Russert gave a false affidavit? I mean I understand the ethical issues and lack of forthrightness of talking to the FBI and then claiming confidentiality in retrospect through the NBC legal actions. (I just cracked that up to Russert’s not being too bright until the lawyers and real journalists smacked him up side the head.)
And then they go on to impugn the FBI agent for various reasons (including for retiring), say that the FBI report says that Russert DID tell Libby about Plame, and conclude that the evidence from the FBI and Russert are not credible.
Can someone fill me in on what I may have missed?
(PS I have considered the source, but I still want to understand what they could have based this on)
OT – and apologize if this has been covered before – but this morning on Tweety’s Sunday show, the “Scoops and Predictions” segment, JokeLine said that Senate Democrats are furious with Lieberman and that Joe is none to happy with dems – Klein predicts an EXPLOSION (his word) and a possible party switch. (No big surprise, but he made it sound acute and almost imminent.)
Of course, we must consider the source here, but what if this happens? I hope the rules for the 110th Congress are set in stone and it can’t upset the committee chairmanships, etc. Anyone know if that’s true?
Also, is there ANYTHING Connecticut voters can do if Lieberman adds to his betrayal of them by formally becoming a republican?
Libby can’t testify because Wells knows he is guilty. Bush promised Libby a get out of jail card if he lied to the grand jury to Fitz. As soon as he testified, Bush put the card back in the deck, saving Cheney from obstruction. But not from Treason. The stakes weren’t as high as they are now and Bush doesn’t have the political clout he had on 2002-2005.
I’m really enjoying Fitz’s ongoing and continuing investigation and I’m looking forward to the new set of charges after Libby is done.
Unless the whigs can get to one of the jurors claiming “national security” and “patriotism”; or, another 911 type event in the US, Watergate will look like a Wapner trial.
looseheadprop @ 36
Sara *and* Professor Prop in da house!
OK, I will write my senator Levin. What do I tell him about legal advice? Is there someone/some office he should talk to, or a citation I should quote?
It’s Scooter Libby’s credibility to lose… going, going, gone.
If the trial had been going better for Scooter, up until this point, he could roll the dice and choose to stand mute but it has not gone well at all.
It is hard to imagine how a simple and direct narrative can be fashioned by Libby’s defense. I think we’ll see Libby on the stand. I don’t think we were ever going to see Darth Cheney. It was a ruse. Maybe that’s why the defense did not subpeona Cheney but claimed he would testify. Any lawyers care to comment?
rxbus — that article you linked at American Thinker was written by Clarice Feldman. I do not consider her to be the most versed person on the subject of the Plame outing; I would not have read her article if you had not linked it.
I would ask your question directly to Marcy at The Next Hurrah. Think Christy, Jane, Swopa will do an admirable job on this, but in regards to the veracity AND accuracy of the evidence given surrounding Russert’s testimony and Eckenrode’s handling of Russert’s questioning, hands down I’d ask Marcy.
OK, now that I’ve scored my “firsts” I’ll reveal that there is a new thread up.
HotFlash — ask Levin to remember NOT to extend immunity to senior administration officials since doing so thwarts potential future and current ongoing investigations by the DoJ.
I’ll do the same. Christy, have any other suggestions?
Watching Waxman on the Oversight Committee, Rep Chris Cannon (Republican -Utah) was up asking questions.
Cannon asked Andrew Howell of Blackwater if they, as a company, had profited from this war, and when he didn’t get an answer, and he realized that the only answer could be yes, answer, he quickly restated it to “Have you ever not bought equipment because of profits?”
perris @ 40
I am so old that I thought that burnt toast was an antidote for poison. Alas, that is considered useless nowadays, so we will have to proceed to more effective measures.
Fitz until it stops hurting. Followed up by Levin, Waxman, Conyers, Wilson (who, BTW, could use some $upport)
Dems, Fitz has snapped to you, for goddess’ sake, don’t screw this up.
everhopeful @ 14
Maybe she and Alan are off on vacation wth Judy’s husband!Sara @ 31
I think Levin had better talk to Fitx about this first! I recall how the Ollie North testimony under immunity essentially embroiled the Special Prosecutor in the Iran-Contra prosecutions into having to establish that the evidence wasn’t based upon “open testimony” made under immunity.
North got off on appeal because the SP couldn’t establish that his investigative team wasn’t fully isolated from North’s testimony.
So Levin needs to make sure that if Fitz is looking into this area that he works with Fitz into preventing Libby from saying things under immunity that could threaten the investigation or subsequent prosecutions.
Rayne @ 49
Gotcha, thanks. Your kbd to my kbd :)
ccmask @ 50
I think this is a YouTube moment.
rxbus@43
I’ve been following the liveblog pretty closely and I can’t figure out what this guy is talking about. Namely, why would he say that Russert gave a false affidavit? I mean I understand the ethical issues and lack of forthrightness of talking to the FBI and then claiming confidentiality in retrospect through the NBC legal actions. (I just cracked that up to Russert’s not being too bright until the lawyers and real journalists smacked him up side the head.)
And then they go on to impugn the FBI agent for various reasons (including for retiring), say that the FBI report says that Russert DID tell Libby about Plame, and conclude that the evidence from the FBI and Russert are not credible.
Can someone fill me in on what I may have missed?
(PS I have considered the source, but I still want to understand what they could have based this on)
link didn’t work–page not available………
Christy said: “The NYTimes has a profile of Ted Wells today…”
When I read that last night, I was immediately struck with the thought that Babs Comstock had worked her wiles on the NYT (again) to place a puff piece wrt Wells.
To wit: “Oh, he’s just a superstar of a Defense Attorney, and he’ll win one for the Gipper (isn’t he dead?) even though it is 4th down at our own 2 yard line, the QB is blind, crazy drunk and the WRs are nowhere to be found in the huddle. You just wait and see all you DFH moonbats!”
Babs is OD’ing on the Kool-Aid again.
rxbus@43
and i used the WHOLE link, not just the part highlighted.
dmac,
I think there was an extra space in the link, it should be:
http://www.americanthinker.com…..ction.htmll
everhopeful @ 44
Even if Joe jumps…remember, he is an independant and is “being allowed” to caucus with the Democrats by their “good graces”…the Democrats would still have the majority in the Senate. Joe would have more to lose by jumping…he’d lose his seat on Committees (again a position that the Democrats allowed him to retain)…unless the Republicans pulled someone off.
HotFlash @ 46
Remind him of the Ollie North imbroglio…and that he needs to consult with Fitz’s Office in the DOJ about ongoing investigations.
Perhaps Fitz’s team can craft a limited immunity grant that wouldn’t impair future prosecutions. Another possibility is that Libby’s immunized testimony on particular issues can be made in closed session…with any public final report using that inforamtion to be held until Fitz’s Office has issued a thumbs up.
Just want to thank some of the people here at the lake who work so hard and don’t/can’t talk about it.
1.) Lurking mods. Thank you, intrepid mods. I can only guess what you are up against and the fact that we don’t have a clue what it is that you do is a tribute to how well you do it.
2.) Lurking patriots. Similar to mods (see above). Thank you for your service to your country. Those of us who are in a position to talk and do stuff will do our best for America, too.
HotFlash @ 46
Yeah, he needs a Constiutuional scholar. He needs to talk to Dean, Turley, hell, Gerry Lynch (crap! he’s on the bench–can’t talk to him) This is a time to survey the Law School professor out there, before shooting off any subpeonas
Cinnamonape,
I will say that to Carl Levin.
Senator Levin’s staffers, please take note, too.
What a day!
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To you same as 64. ‘To every Middlesex valley and farm.’
A repeat of sorts in honor of Christy’s: “Jane and I have long discussed here what a thorn Judy Miller was going to be for this case.”
A prediction: Scooter will not testify nor will Cheney. Scooter will be convicted on most, if not all, counts. He will appeal and petition the court to remain free on bail pending resolution of his appeal and will refuse to cooperate with Fitz on any further investigation, invoking the 5th Amendment. Bush will pardon him on January 19, 2009. Does anybody have any reason to believe otherwise? If so, please elaborate!
Want a look at how your tax payer money is being spent in Iraq, and what our troops have been up to? Have a look at this video:
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.c…..s-car.html
‘Judge Walton informed Libby’s legal team that he would not permit an argument on a memory defense at closing absent testimony from Libby, because otherwise the memory defense was not relevant to the proceedings…’
Is Walton’s position logical?
Libby was indicted for lying to the FBI and the grand jury in 2003-4.
So the issue is the state of his memory then, not now, right?
Fitz put Libby’s FBI interviews and grand jury testimony in evidence. Why does Libby have to take the stand now to contest the assertion that he was lying rather than ‘mis-remembering’ then?
[Why did Libby try to pretend that he was gonna call Cheney?
Pretend or not, Wells got rid of a lot of potentially hostile jurors during voir dire by getting them to agree to his suggestion that Cheney is not credible.]
dmac @
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link didn’t work–page not available………
http://www.americanthinker.com…..ction.html
Here it is again:
http://www.americanthinker.com…..ction.html
I don’t know how to get it in without the break. It worked okay for me using the whole thing, not just the first line. Sorry, but thanks for trying!
rwcole — Dean took a Plea Bargain and went to jail on one felony count which was based on evidence Archie Cox filed with the court under seal BEFORE Dean was granted immunity by the Ervin Committee.
And he did a lot of cooperative testifying so as to get eight months knocked off what I remember was a one year sentence: Ervin, the Grand Jury, testified in some of the minor cases such as against Kleindienst and Kalmbach, in the failed NY case regarding the milk Co-op money, and then in the big case at the end against Mitchell, Halderman, Erlichman and all. Sirica let him go free after he had spent a week or so on the stand in that case, and stood up to every defense ploy. Immunity was a great tool in this instance in getting all the higher-ups.
Now, as I understand Use Immunity as used in Congress — It can be granted on very narrow lines, applicable only to questions on limited subjects. What happened in the Ollie North case was that Walsh had not completed his investigative work, North knew that, and he answered questions very broadly so as to take an “Immunity Bath” — meaning that the prosecutor cannot use in making charges any information acquired as a result of forced testimony. The chairs of the joint committee (on which Cheney sat) did not control the lines of questioning as they should have done so as to avoid allowing North to use the occassion to confess all his sins under the wraps of immunity. Thus, the appeals court eventually found that some items North attested to before congress related to Walsh’s eventual charges.
Senator Levin is a very smart man — in fact my former Congressman who was voted the Smartest Man in Congress by Staff once told me that as much as he liked the “award” Levin was ten times smarter than he was. I suspect he could conduct a hearing with Libby under oath where all of the questions have been previously addressed in executive session, and only those clearly within the limits of the immunity deal are permitted.
The Ollie North example only holds if the Prosecutor is at the early stage of investigative work. I don’t think that is the case here. I think Fitzgerald is nearly or long done with his investigative work, and if he has another case, I would imagine he has long since put his charges and evidence under seal with the court. This would make it impossible for Libby to do the North trick with the immunity bath, assuming Levin knows what he is doing — and I suspect he very well does.
And nothing Libby might say before Congress could impact appeals. Those are based on the trial record only, and any new evidence Libby might offer would not be relevant to the appeals court. If he appeared before Congress, he would be (we surmise) a convicted felon, convicted of lying to Federal Officers and Grand Juries — he is not a Marine, he would not be able to pull the “national hero” thing in a Marine Corps Uniform. He slouches, he doesn’t march quick step up to any hearing table. Very very different situation.
Immunity, properly used is a substitute for 5th Amendment Rights. Remember, if you assert 5th rights, you have to do it for all questions, not just the ones you cherry-pick. A Proper Use Immunity agreement that substitutes its specific areas for “you can’t use this against me 5th rights” is a way to force a minor figure to provide necessary information without fear that information will be used against them, and done right, it very much narrows the questions that can be asked and the answers that can be given.
Fitz did, in my opinion, a good job using this with Ari. He sure limited the scope of what Libby’s defense attorneys could bring up.
ONE QUESTION –
Please someone tell me WHY DIDN’T FITZ put Cheney on the witness list? Now we’re at the “mercy” of Wells to call him. WHY DIDN’t FITZ want to ? (and if Wells doesn’t — Fitz willnever getthe chance now) PLEASE CLARIFY for me. thx
Bumzaway @
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Mainly because Fitz is the prosecution. And he already has what he needs to prove his case against Libby, which is all he is required/allowed to do at this point.
It’s the rest of us who are hoping Wells will call Cheney. ;)
RawStory has a scoop on tomorrow’s NYT:
NYT MONDAY: CHENEY EXPECTED TO MAKE HISTORIC APPEARANCE ON WITNESS STAND… DEVELOPING…
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0211.html
Interesting!
cinnamonape @
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… And keep in mind that the Senate is set up by rules that are voted on at the start of the session.
In 2001, Al Gore was still VP when the Senate began its 50-50 session, so Democratic committee chairs remained in office for the weeks until the inaugural, at which point Cheney became VP and the committees all shifted to Republicans… so the rules were set up to allow for the shift, which meant that when Jim Jeffords jumped shift and left the Republicans, they could shift back to Dems.
Normally, the shift isn’t built in to the system, and this sessions rules don’t include anything of the kind. If Lieberman bails on us, the committees stay the same – except for Homeland Security, which reverts to having a DEMOCRATIC chairman.
oddball @ 6
Steny Hoyer is joined at the hip to Corporate America. No surprise there.
Poor Howie’s worried his REPUBLICAN WIFE will divorce him now that she can’t feed him RNC talking points “on background”.
http://www.CleanElections.org is a start.
It took decades for things to get this messed up. It’ll take awhile for them to get un-messed. But we’re already making more progress than I thought we would.
snowgeek @ 74
yea, but when you click on the link at the bottom of RawStory to go to that page, it takes you to the Int’l Herald Tribune. Also, the AP just released a story this afternoon (2 hours ago). Is something coming down the pike tomorrow? Lots of Sunday afternoon activity in my opinion.
Let me correct myself – I forget NYT owns IHT. But, interesting that AP has a story out now. or are they owned by NYT and IHT? LOL :)
passlepasseldiscreetdiscreteFitz would never put a witness on the stand who does not have helpful evidence to offer the prosecution case. Four Lies and Obstruction of Justice. Keep the counts simple.
Cheney is an unknown. Why should he put him on if he does not need him to prove the charges? If Wells calls him, fine, Fitz can tie him in knots, and he will not be able to do a Blitzer on him and call Fitz out of line in Court. For Fitz it is much better to potentially deal with Cheney on Cross Examination than direct. Why should Fitz fiddle with Libby telling the Grand Jury about the moment he told Cheney who told him who Joe Wilson’s wife was?