
[Preface: This post is the fifth of a series (see Parts 1, 2, 3 and 4) focused on offering some observations and analysis on some of the documents released during the Libby trial. Cross-posted at The Left Coaster.]
In this post I'm going to talk about one of the key unsolved mysteries in the uranium from Africa scandal - which may provide an additional window into what the CIA knew about the bogus Niger claims and when they knew it (NOTE: All emphasis in this post in quoted portions is mine, unless otherwise stated).
One of the documents I've discussed in earlier posts is an April 3, 2003 intelligence community memo (labeled DX64, titled "Purported Iraqi attempt to get Uranium from Niger") that was forwarded to the Office of the Vice President (OVP) in early June 2003 (it appears this might be a WINPAC memo). Page 3 of this document has the following statement:
2. [DELETED] On 15 October 2001, the CIA's Directorate of Operations issued a report [DELETED] that indicated as of early 2001, Niger planned to send several tons of uranium to Iraq. The agreement of the sale of uranium to Iraq reportedly was approved by the state court of Niger in 2000. [DELETED]
The "early 2001" wording shows up in the October 2002 NIE as well but there's a glaring discrepancy about this intel that the DX64 memo does not seem to have addressed. I first discussed this in a post back in 2005 - so I'd like to reproduce a relevant part of my earlier reporting here.
Let's start with the following claim in the 10/15/01 Niger intel report from the CIA, per the Phase I SSCI report:
The intelligence report said the uranium sales agreement had been in negotiation between the two countries since at least early 1999, and was approved by the State Court of Niger in late 2000. [page 36]
Three days after that report, CIA issued another paper:
Only the CIA wrote a finished intelligence product on the report (Senior Executive Intelligence Brief [SEIB], Iraq: Nuclear-Related Procurement Efforts, October 18, 2001). Regarding the Niger reporting the SEIB said:
According to a foreign government service, Niger as of early this year planned to send several tons of uranium to Iraq under an agreement concluded late last year. Iraq and Niger had been negotiating the shipment since at least early 1999, but the state court of Niger only this year approved it, according to the service. [pages 36-37]
Notice the change?
- In the 10/15/01 CIA DO report, it is claimed that the State Court of Niger approved the alleged uranium deal in late 2000.
- In the 10/18/01 CIA SEIB, it is claimed that the State Court of Niger approved the alleged uranium deal in 2001.
This does not look to be an inadvertent error/typo. The first report specifically used a qualifier for the year 2000 ("late 2000"), and the report from three days later changed the deal approval date to 2001. In the latter case, the context of the sentence ("...early this year planned to send...") indicates that the qualifier for 2001 was 'early' 2001. So just replacing 2000 with 2001, or vice versa, wouldn't make the claims consistent.
To try to decipher what may have happened, it is instructive to review the Niger forgery corresponding to the allegation pertaining to the state court of Niger. That forgery is Doc 5 (the fake "Annexe 1" to the fake uranium sales agreement) wherein the State Court of Niger allegedly "approved" the deal. Doc 5 says this (translation by Cryptome):
THE STATE COURT, CALLED UPON TO GIVE HIS ADVICE ACCORDING TO THE 20TH ARTICLE OF ORDONNANCE # 74-19 OF THE 5TH OF JULY 2000, REGARDING CREATION, COMPOSITION, ATTRIBUTION AND WORKINGS OF THE STATE COURT, MET IN THE CHAMBER OF THE COUNCIL IN THE PALACE OF THE SAID COURT ON WEDNESDAY JULY 7, 2000, AT NINE O'CLOCK
Remember, the CIA did possess some or all of the contents of fake Doc 5. How do we know that? Well, they indirectly admitted it in a highly misleading statement in the SSCI report [eRiposte aside: Incidentally, this is one of the clues that allowed me to deduce in July 2005 that the Niger claims from SISMI were traceable directly to the Niger forgeries]:
The foreign government service did not provide the DO with information about its source and the DO, to date, remains uncertain as to how the foreign government service collected the information in the three intelligence reports...The only mistake in any of the reports regarding dates, is that one date, July 7, 2000, is said to be a Wednesday in the report, but was actually a Friday. [page 47]
Now, perhaps July 2000 can loosely be called "late 2000" (even this is somewhat questionable), but July 2000 certainly isn't (early) 2001. So, returning to my earlier observation - what happened between October 15, 2001 and October 18, 2001, that prompted the CIA to change the year of the alleged Niger State Court approval? For example, did the CIA raise the obvious concern about "Wednesday July 7, 2000" with their source (the Italian intelligence agency SISMI) and get some "clarification" in response, with a different date? Or did the report on 10/18/01 inadvertently pick up the 2001 date from a different (unsurfaced) document?
As luck would have it, shortly after my Nov 2005 post was published, the Italian newspaper La Repubblica mentioned that there was a SISMI communique on 10/18/2001 to the CIA in response to questions or concerns from the U.S. regarding the credibility of the 10/15/01 intel from SISMI (translation by Nur-al Cubicle):
CIA, DIA, and the Department of Energy judge the information to be plausible while the INR believes, to the contrary, that it is highly suspect. To remove any remaining doubt, Langley asks for "further clarification" from Rome. Pollari, as reported by Il Messagero, responds with a quick followup on 18 October with “a letter of a page and a half." He explains that “the information comes form a creditable source, La Signora". He does not reveal her identify, but he recounts that “in the past La Signora has given SISMI the cryptographic codes and memorandum ledgers from the Niger Embassy. So, those documents could be good. The same day, 18 October 2001, the CIA writes an in-depth report (Senior Intelligence Executive brief, "Iraq, Nuclear-Related Procurement Efforts").
[NOTE: Not surprisingly, the Phase I SSCI report did not reveal anything about this communication.]
As I said back then, the glaring 2000-2001 date discrepancy raises obvious questions that Congress should be asking the U.S. IC and the Bush administration. For example, was the issue of "Wednesday July 7, 2000" raised with SISMI after receipt of the 10/15/01 report from SISMI? If so, what was SISMI's response to that question? Why did the date of the alleged approval of the alleged uranium deal by the Niger court, change from late 2000 in the 10/15/01 CIA report to [early] 2001 in the 10/18/01 report? Did SISMI provide a "corrected" or "updated" date? If so, did that not call for more questioning of the basis of the 10/15/01 report and the 10/18/01 report? What does this say about the CIA's knowledge of the fraudulent nature of the claims emanating from SISMI?.....
I don't have any hope of getting answers to these questions, but I thought the Libby trial document dump might be a good opportunity to highlight this.
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heh heh ZED!
3 for 3?
I’ve been scrambling so hard to try to catch up with the posts all week (and at least appear to be doing my job at the same time) that I wasn’t able to post any comments ’til the last thread. I guess I’m trying to get it all out of my system at once.
Love you all! The past week has been a triumph for FDL bloggers. Congrats on a fabulous job!
Thanks again, eRiposte,
EPU’d on what is now on topic:
Buzzflash has put their review of Marcy Wheeler’s _Anatomy of Deceit_ as the lead on their website. The review concludes with a nice word about Vaster Books.
Has anyone here been following the Watada story? I don’t understand all the legal twists, but his position–that he could not deploy to an illegal war–has possibly caused the whole thing to derail.
I am sure there is a link with Marcy’s book, which should arrive at my doorstep any time now.
ESTEN!
emptywheel’s book is featured on the big headline at buzzflash.com. Nice going.
…tapping your toes?
In Europe, people gather in various town squares to drink and people-watch.
In the midst of the people-watching, musicians set-up and play.
If you tap your toes, the musician will come over to you at the end of the song with his donation box - it’s considered correct to give for the enjoyment.
We call it the ‘toe-tapping’ tax.
So, if you’re enjoying following the live-blogging of the Libby Trial here at FDL - ie, tapping your toes - please consider ‘giving’ to support the cause by using the ‘donation’ box that can be found at the end of each article.
Thanks, and
Go FDL!
Since the local news stations follow the MSM at least they do where I live, would it be wise to copy the link of buzzflash review of emptywheel’s book and ask these stations what is their damn problem? Hopefully if the little guys have a public message board if people could read this review or have a chance to order this book, at least see the part about Judy Miller, people might open their eyes.
eRiposte: Again an excellent piece on a vital, and indeed dangerous subject. As a still largely old-school media person myself, I want to know if you are planning on publishing this series in hard copy? Let me urge you to do so.
OT - who knows how far Obama will go in the ‘08 race for Prez, but damn I love to hear him speak. I wish him well.
For anyone who’s interested in Obama’s announcement, it’s streaming live now.
bg @
6
a couple of views:
Jeralyn
The widow of a former justice at the Niger State Court says she has a couple of mil in a trunk or something and I can have half if I help her get it out. Something about it being “a piece of cake” and “approved by the highest authorities in the U.S. government administration”.
What do ya think?
Seriously eRiposte, Thanks for the post. It’s just amazing, as the details come to light, how stupid and obvious (and criminal!) the lies appear. And how stupid and obvious has been our acceptance, as a country, of the lies. Scary, too.
Morning Y’all.
Happy Mardi Gras!
I hope you all have a little Carnival Spirit even if you don’t have Carnival!
This gang seems to operate more on a Big Tobacco corp philosophy than think tank foreign policy approach…it’s not illegal unless you get caught. Of course, the newer version for BushCo is that nothing is illegal as long as it feeds power and the pardoner in chief is left in play. I look forward to Elizabeth’s thoughts, I just finished her book, and the view of impeachment via the Enron corp example seems more appropriate by the day.
eRiposte,
Even NPR is beating the drumbeat that sounds like IRAN. Yesterday the Iranian ambassador to the UN, who was making some good points, was browbeaten by the ATC host.
Have any similarities between this run-up and the Iraqi run-up in the realm of fake intelligence manufacturing come to your attention?
After a couple weeks of the Libby trial, it’s hysterical to go back and review this hit piece against Joe Wilson that is still posted at the RNC’s web site: http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=5630
ThinkProgress posted this story about an hour ago:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/.....ked-intel/
Re the LT Ehren Watada mistrial, one of the best essays on the future of the trial is up at HuffPo blogs. David Goldstein argues that the Pentagon has painted itself into two legal corners due to the plea change of one CPL Trent Thomas:
Lt. Watada’s legal defense has always relied on the argument that he cannot be convicted of refusing to follow an unlawful order — a defense the judge did not allow his attorney to present. Prosecutors have argued that Lt. Watada should not be allowed to put the war itself on trial, even if that is his only means of proving his innocence. Our military, they argue, cannot function without strict discipline, and strict military discipline requires that soldiers unflinchingly follow their commanders’ orders. In refusing to allow him to argue the illegality of his deployment order, the government asserts that Lt. Watada had no legal right to question it.
Compare that to the case of Cpl. Trent Thomas, who after having an “epiphany” decided to put himself at risk of the death penalty yesterday, by withdrawing his guilty plea in the brutal killing of an Iraqi civilian.
Cpl. Trent Thomas, 25, pleaded guilty as part of a pretrial agreement to several charges Jan. 18, including kidnapping and murder, in the slaying of 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad in Hamandia last year. But Thomas said Thursday that he no longer believes he’s guilty and was following a lawful order.
”Sir, when my country gives me an order, I follow it,” Thomas told the judge, Lt. Col. Tracy A. Daly, adding that his squad leader and his lieutenant gave the order.
Cpl. Thomas’s defense rests on the assertion that he was issued a lawful order, whereas Lt. Watada’s defense rests on the assertion that he was not.
Two courts martial, one run by the Army, one by the Marines, but both under the same Uniform Code of Military Justice. I’m not savvy on military law, so I’ll be learning as much as the next person as this develops.
MsAnnaNOLA @
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Mardi Gras, j’aime de tout!
Got friends in Baton Rouge who are marching. Many parades there. Here’s a link to the parade photos of 2006 (God knows after Katrina mayhem they deserve a little mayhem of their own making):
http://www.baton-rouge.com/MardiGras/
Hey all,
Politics TV has just been shut off from YouTube!
Story on MyDD. I tried clicking on one of Jane and Swopa’s reports and it is no longer available!!!!!!
eRiposte—
You are a national treasure.
Historians of the future will bless your anonymous name.
Before Christy went on the radio last night, I listened with half an ear to Lt Watada’s lawyer explain his take on the mistrial motion. He claims the judge may have ruined the case for the prosecution by dismissing it after jeopardy had attached. Said both sides of the case were caught flatfooted by the decision. Seems the guy thinks that going farther would expose Watada to double jeopardy. Any one else get that from the show?
jeffreyw @ 25
Democracy Now made the same double jeopardy case yesterday or Thursday in an interview with one of LT Watada’s attorneys.
RevDeb @ 23
And so it begins.
Real censorship, to stop the terrorists don’t you know.
egregious @ 27
Just e-mailed and heard from Christy. They will be going back up but need recoding. Google/YouTube now becoming part of the fascist state if you ask me.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 20
Michael fucking Gordon
already helped start one war (working with judy,judy,judy)… and now, since that worked out so well, he is on to the next “project”.
egregious @ 27
You go to war with the media you have, not the media you had.
Worth putting in bold italics:
PoliticsTV’s Youtube account and all of its videos are now inaccessible. TPMMedia’s account has been suspended. Same with Atrios. I don’t know why these accounts are down, but I suspect it has to do with Viacom sending 100,000 indiscriminate takedown notices aimed at Youtube users, and Google capitulating.
we need to fight this.
They go with the ones they know, wonder if Timmeh will host a roundtable with him Sunday.
Watada, Feith, LibbyLibbyLibby,
a perfect storm.
Time for our media smackdown to begin.
From Anatomy of Deceit, Acknowledgments, page 145: “There are many people in the blogosphere on whose work I drew heavily. On the Administrations WMD claims, there’s eRiposte, who awes me with his tenacious investigations of the Niger claims.”
email Michael Gordon at the New York Times
Who was Pollari’s “La Signora”?
“It is the absolute responsibility of everybody in uniform to disobey an order that is either illegal or immoral.”
-Gen. Peter Pace
stingray @
35
AFAIK, the PoliticsTV clips are still up at Crooks and Liars.
Throw me something mista!!!!!
Happy Mardi Gras!
News clip from the “That-Dog-Just-Won’t Hunt” Department:
If the details comprising “getting the full story out” were [1] so utterly within Bush/Cheney’s declassification authority and [2] so friggin’ vital to the national interest, then [3] why not simply call a White House news conference and announce it to the entire press corps and the nation? Why the necessity to leak it to this or that favored reporter? And then stonewall out the wazoo to keep the leaks under wraps? If it was all so proper and lawful, why the need for all the lies culminating in perjury?
We know why. Some things in life are indeed relatively simple. These people committed high crimes and misdemeanors by using classified information for purely hardball, vengeful (”Plame-is-fair-game”) political ends. I intend to be a broken record on this point to Reid, Ensign, and Porter.
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Excellent comment Bobby G, as per usual. Other tact would have been to go on Tweety’s show and confront him directly.
Not these back-stabbers, you always know right where they are, right behind you with a knife.
jeffreyw @ 37
Yes, I saw that fropm eRiposte above but thought perhaps this had been speculated about elsewhere and in more detail?
My hazy recollection is that there was the guy panhandling the forgeries (Martino, an ex SISMI guy?) and then also a lady who worked in the Niger Embassy in Rome. Someone tried to interview her once in an office near the Spanish Steps but she clammed up. Maybe that’s who “La Signora” is?
Supposedly there was a break-in at that embassy shortly before the Niger docs were peddled, sure would like to hear speculation on that event too. Did La Repubblica have anything to say about it?
I’ll go off and read this, although I tend to place my trust in eRiposte’s thinking.
http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.c.....anium.html
I seem to remember the Niger Uranium myth being debunked as forgeries as early as Sept 2002, before the UN speech and Senate Vote. I heard it on NPR, almost daily. Do you have the first date it was debunked sans Wilson? Of course the debunking was by European Intelligence agencies, not our own less reliable ones.
stingray @ 42
Yes, the lady who worked in the embassy was La Signora and news reports indicate her real name is Laura Montini. The embassy break-in (there was another break-in as well around the same time into the home of one of the embassy officials) was covered by La Repubblica. My current speculation on the embassy break-in is that it was staged to provide cover for the forgers.
Pectopah @ 43
The CIA station chief in Rome may have known of the bogus nature of the forgeries as early as Fall 2001. A lot of the facts surrounding the CIA’s knowledge of the forgeries have been hidden. In my post tomorrow, I’ll try to comment on some aspects of this.
July 7 was a Wednesday, but in 1999 not the year later.
Remember they were creating phony documents and were pretty sloppy about it. This is just one such example.
Fwiw, I happen to know a guy who lives on via del Babuino, between the Spanish Steps and Piazza del Popolo. He is the son of a former Italian Ambassador to the United States and he himself is still attached to the Italian diplomatic corp. I’ve been meaning to ask him his thoughts about the matter since it happened practically next door - perhaps it’s time.
For some reason I’ve been nervous about emailing discussions like this between countries - maybe that’s too much paranoia? I’ll prarbly just bring it up next time he phones me, which he does at seemingly random intervals.
eRiposte - I have his email address if you yourself may like to pursue it - he’s a decent and friendly guy -we met caually while we were both on vacation in Capri and I’ve seen him in Rome a few times since - even been to his apartment. It may be a dead-end, maybe not?
marksb @ 15
Yeah, and that financial offer is about as legitimate as the fabricated data they used to take us to war.
I’ll send you something via feedback@eRiposte.com. He works in the diplomatic archives and may make for an excellent translator, if nothing else.
eRiposte @ 45
It seems to me the MSM should be making a bigger point about the forgeries being known well before Wilson, and why the WH still insisted on going ahead with this despite other evidence. I wonder if the push to discredit Wilson was to prevent others from looking closer at the forgeries and their genesis. I would not be shocked if Bush/Cheney was behind the forgeries in the first place in its efforts to gin up a war, and that is why they panicked over Wilson.
eRiposte–
Regarding the change…..would the ‘accord’ possibly have something to do with it (the timeline on all the shape-shifting that is associated with that thing, frankly, eludes me)?
And thanks - again.
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eRiposte,
Still rereading your many posts about this topic. I followed one of your links about WINPAC and evidently it linked to cia.gov.
I got this error message. Wondering what you think it means (I don’t believe the reasoning CIA gives). Bolding and italicization is mine.
CIA.gov has changed its Web address . . .
CIA.gov is now encrypted, except for our Electronic Reading Room, to assure visitor confidentiality. As a result, the Web address for pages and documents in our site has changed from http:// to https://. In addition, CIA Careers has moved to a new location within the website
Please use the links or the search form below to find the information you seek.
eRiposte- Great work! I’m almost certain that you have touched close to the bone on what is going on!
BTW On an earlier thread some Troll (that I unfortunately fed…hopefully with rat poison) brought up both Christopher Hitchens new “conspiracy” theory AND the date discrepancy about Plame’s requested list of her husbands qualifications (2/12/02) and the date Cheney “tasked” his briefer, Craig Schmall (2/14).
I think that the Hitchen’s theory…that the “easily” disproved forgeries were a diversion to conceal a REAL transaction by Ambassador Zawahie…borders on the sort of stuff proposed by those that think that the X-Files stories are real…and reptilian doppelgangers have taken over the Worlds political and military leaderships.
Zawahie’s name was used in the forgeries to divert attention from his real dealings? An almost exact set of “contracts” were constructed to resemble the actual documents…to DIVERT investigation away from the real ones??? Hitchens probably believes that the writer of Shakespeare wasn’t Shakespeare but some fellow with the same name! Basically one only has to remember that there is NO evidence of an actual transaction, or even a meeting in which yellowcake was discussed.
And Iraq had no motive, since Iraq didn’t have functional calutrons to process the yellowcake (so why risk getting caught at any number of critical junctures in the way…from someone leaking about the Contract or contact meetings, to the transport, or discovery of non-registered Uranium in Iraq)?
And the whole deal about some smuggler getting “permission” from the Supreme Court of Niger to undertake an act that violated International Sanctions seems absurd on its face!
The second discrepancy that the troller raised actually led me to some interesting information. One could explain the discrepancy as simply one that relates to a stenographic error…but I don’t think that is what actually happened.
Here’s the timeline:
Feb. 5th 2002 - The CIA produces a Second Report on the “foreign intelligence service” providing more detailed information on the Niger-Iraq contracts with “verbatim” text. For some reason SISMI has refused to release copies of the actual documents…but verbatim transcriptions would give the CIA dates, names of those on the contracts, the numbers of the laws, quantities, and export plans).
It’s clear that these were sent to other Intelligence Divisions, although if you look at the SSIC Report there is a redaction at the very point where those that would have been sent this analysis appears. But we know that both the INR, who criticized the new material, and the DOD (who prepared their own DIA report on February 12th) both received that CIA report.
2/12/02- DIA Report Produced
- Plame draws up Ambassador Wilson’s “credentials”
- CIA Cable to State Department regarding potential “mission” (possibly passed on to Niger)
2/13/02 In the early morning (@ 7-7:30) at the VP’s residence Fred Schmall recalls he is told by Cheney about a “report” about Iraq-Niger yellowcake that he wants more information on. Cheney later tells the SSIC that he believes this was the DIA Report. But note that this was produced the day before and may not have reached the OVP until 2/13.
2/19 Iraq Niger Uranium briefing meeting @ CIA with Wilson.
So it raises the issue that perhaps Cheney received the CIA Second report and spoke to someone in the CIA about it already. It seems unlikely that he could have actually have seen the DIA report by the time of his early morning meeting with Schmall on 2/13. That means that he likely saw the CIA report and then contacted McLaughlin or Tenet about the issue. These individuals, or someone in the CPD would have then acted pre-emptively to investigate the possibility of a trip. Cheney’s request to Schmall merely would have solidified the need to undertake a mission. To Schmall this would have seemed to be a “fresh” request.
To avoid overlap there were three parallel investigations that were based on the forgeries (and it’s interesting that only ONE…the CIA’s…was discussed in detail by the SSIC report).
1) Rumsfeld DIA > tasking Gen. Carlton Fulford to travel to Niger (two trips) to contact contemporary Nigerien military and those involved with the COGEMA cartel.
2) State Dept. INR requesting that Ambassador Barbro Owens Kilpatrick contact current Nigerian officials. This activity had already been initiated BEFORE any known activity at the CIA regarding a field investigation.
3) Cheney > CIA.
Neither the DOD or the State Department would have requested the CIA to undertake such an investigation. They were undertaking their own autonomous efforts. That leaves Cheney as the source of the request from the administration.
Thus the Libby’s/OVP’s effort to suggest that the CIA may have sent Wilson on their own or at the request of State (who actually opposed Wilsons trip) or the DOD, simply seems contrary to the events. DOD or State wouldn’t have asked the CIA to undertake an investigation.
RossK @
51
There are several possibilities.
1) An ignorant screwup.
2) French Intelligence had already disputed Martino’s first set of forgeries and perhaps they had already pointed out some of these problems. I believe that some of those who are important in the “deal” also changed, as well as the date. So maybe Martino knew that he needed to make some “revised” documents to correct the earlier errors.
3) There is some darker reason about the timeline that needed to be corrected. Perhaps the dates of initial contacts were inverted with later agreements in the first set…and this was an attempt to “correct” that sequence. I believe that eRiposte has mentioned such a chronological inversion…but I don’t know if that was actually “created” by the insertion of new documents or was inherent in the original set.
There’s something important here that the MSM has been ignoring, and we really should work to get out…
BUT
Wilson wasn’t sent over to check out some vague reports about Saddam seeking uranium.
He was sent to check out the very specific report eriposte talks about here - that there was an accord in place to sell Nigerien yellowcake to Iraq.
The CIA had doubts about it to start with - the whole idea is dumb! - but the Veep asked that it be checked out, so they sent someone over to check things out on the ground in Niger. Wilson.
What he found was: The way the business is structured, there is simply no way that this deal could have ever happened.
Wilson was investigating the Accord, and thoroughly debunked it. Which left the Admin with nothing but the incredibly thin claim for the SOTU that the British were reporting that Saddam was seeking Uranium in Africa. From their big, scary, story about tons of uranium flowing to Saddam, that’s all they were left with.
Thanks ca @ 54–
Now, coming back to your timeline - who tasked Ms. Wilson with drawing up her husband’s credentials so quickly on the 12th?
And was this an attempt by real truth seekers at the CIA to pre-empt the OVP’s next move that they knew must be coming on the heels of the DIA report?
Now, the second early morning ‘tasking’ of Mr. Schmall the next day could be viewed as evidence that supports such a scenario.
Nowever, without knowing who, specifically, placed the original ‘task’ one could just as easily conclude that this actually began the other way around, pretty much as Jeremy from Santa Monica has laid out, but with the added twist that the OVP waited for their cut-out to be popped on the 12th (which was facilitated by the release of the DIA report) and thus felt free to move forward with impunity on the 13th.
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pdaly @ 52
I have no reason to believe that what the website states above is incorrect. I’ve noticed this of late as well.
RossK @ 51
I don’t think it has much to do with the “accord” per se but clearly it has something to do with the rest of the forgeries…hard to say more at this time.
Thanks again eR - I’ve gone back and read your #3 again, especially the very, very useful table, and understand (I think).
cinnamonape @ 53
I don’t find it strange that Cheney could have seen the DIA report on the same day of the date of the report. This is not implausible and should not be considered unrealistic unless specific timelines emerge for the day in question that indicate this to be the case.
Hitchens has long been delusional and swatting flies is a better occupation than reading his garbage.
i’m unclear as to what substituting “early 2001″ for “late 2000″ does. on its surface, it looks like sheer sloppiness, not going to source material but going instead to a secondary sloppy source. why would someone be motivated to make the date later?
elucidation is most appreciated!
karen marie @ 61
That is really the question I’m trying to raise here. One highly likely motivation is that the Wednesday July 7 2000 date is obviously wrong. July 7 2000 was not a Wednesday. So, it is rather inconvenient to have a claim sitting around with a wrong date. You see my point?
eRiposte @ 45
I keep thinking that they went ballistic over Wilson, and harped on WHO SENT HIM, because they knew right away that the CIA had sent someone NOT CIA, i.e. Cheney was concerned that someone not in their control had been sent. It makes sense to me that Cheney had to learn (and discredit) who had sent him, to put the CIA “back in its place.” Punishing the CIA *and* Wilson by outing Plame was a horsehead-in-the-bed warning about the CIA exercising “too much” autonomy.
my under standing is that joe wilson says this was bogus because the signature was from a man who has been out of office for 10 yrs