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Abu Ghraib was the work of "a few bad apples", right? Just an isolated band of poorly trained kids "blowing off steam" and engaging in a form of "frat house hazing". There's no way that there's any truth to allegations that the torture techniques practiced there were instituted from the top down by a systemic subversion of the Geneva Conventions on executive order from the BushCo Axis of Weasels, right? Right?
According to former Iraq interrogator Eric Fair, wrong:
American authorities continue to insist that the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib was an isolated incident in an otherwise well-run detention system. That insistence, however, stands in sharp contrast to my own experiences as an interrogator in Iraq. I watched as detainees were forced to stand naked all night, shivering in their cold cells and pleading with their captors for help. Others were subjected to long periods of isolation in pitch-black rooms. Food and sleep deprivation were common, along with a variety of physical abuse, including punching and kicking. Aggressive, and in many ways abusive, techniques were used daily in Iraq, all in the name of acquiring the intelligence necessary to bring an end to the insurgency. The violence raging there today is evidence that those tactics never worked. My memories are evidence that those tactics were terribly wrong.
And not only are these techniques not working against the insugency, they are taking a terrible toll on our own men and women in uniform. Take the case of Specialist Alyssa Peterson:
10/31/06 (2006-10-31) Army specialist Alyssa Peterson was an Arabic speaking interrogator assigned to the prison at the Tal-afar airbase in far northwestern Iraq near the Syrian border. According to the Army's investigation into her death, obtained by a KNAU reporter through the Freedom of Information Act, Peterson objected to the interrogation techniques used on prisoners. She refused to participate after only two nights working in the unit known as the cage. Army spokespersons for her unit have refused to describe the interrogation techniques Alyssa objected to. They say all records of those techniques have now been destroyed.
Instead she was assigned to the base gate, where she monitored Iraqi guards. She was sent to suicide prevention training. But on the night of September 15th, 2003, Army investigators concluded she shot and killed herself with her service rifle. [KNAU]
More from Eric Fair:
Some may suggest there is no reason to revive the story of abuse in Iraq. Rehashing such mistakes will only harm our country, they will say. But history suggests we should examine such missteps carefully. Oppressive prison environments have created some of the most determined opponents. The British learned that lesson from Napoleon, the French from Ho Chi Minh, Europe from Hitler. The world is learning that lesson again from Ayman al-Zawahiri. What will be the legacy of abusive prisons in Iraq?
We have failed to properly address the abuse of Iraqi detainees. Men like me have refused to tell our stories, and our leaders have refused to own up to the myriad mistakes that have been made. But if we fail to address this problem, there can be no hope of success in Iraq. Regardless of how many young Americans we send to war, or how many militia members we kill, or how many Iraqis we train, or how much money we spend on reconstruction, we will not escape the damage we have done to the people of Iraq in our prisons.
I am desperate to get on with my life and erase my memories of my experiences in Iraq. But those memories and experiences do not belong to me. They belong to history. If we're doomed to repeat the history we forget, what will be the consequences of the history we never knew? The citizens and the leadership of this country have an obligation to revisit what took place in the interrogation booths of Iraq, unpleasant as it may be. The story of Abu Ghraib isn't over. In many ways, we have yet to open the book.
May god forgive us for what has been done in our name.
I'm sure there are those who have no such self-awareness, or who truly believe that such sadistic treatment was warranted and correct. But it will blow back on them too, in some way, somewhere. Because it is a simple truth that when you treat human beings like animals, you become one yourself. And on some level, there is a part of every person that howls in protest against such debasement whether they are the perpetrator or the victim.
This man knows what he did and is speaking out as a way to redeem himself. Others will likely use far less positive means to exorcize themselves of this pain and degradation. And everyone will pay the price.
Unfortunately, the cover-up continues.
I had finished this post and put it in for publication when I went over to Digby's and read what I meant to say said better. We need a verb for that. "D'oh! I got Digby'd!" which means, "I felt I had something terribly important to impart, but then Digby said it so much more eloquently that I am forced hang my head in shame and go back to eating pudding cups on the couch."
Oh, sagacious Digby. You are the most emphatic Still Small Voice I've ever heard.
When compelled I am
To try an epigram,
I never take the credit.
I simply say that Digby said it.
(Apologies to Dorothy Parker.)
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That’s two zeds today without even trying. Re intuition: please fight against the propaganda that is hurtling us very fast towards an aggressive war against Iran. When we attack ourselves and blame Iran then it will be necessary to Declare War.
Can we PLEASE learn from history? It is the same bad actors over the last 30 years. Or 50 if you are feeling esp paranoid.
Follow the yellowcake road. Cui bono? Ref Eisenhower speech.
Speaking of everything is worse than you think.
Rep. Chris Shays (R-Sex Ring) stated during his re-election campaign that the Abu Gharib torture was simply a “sex ring”. Alas, his state re-elected him anyway.
Yes, Digby is flat-out awesome. But bless Eric Fair for speaking out. I believe, without reservation, that Abu Ghraib was NOT a “few bad apples” situation. Problem is, one or more of those who witnessed and/or participated in the humiliating, degrading, inhuman treatment of prisoners at that prison simply *must* come forward with the linky-dinky to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Yoo, the Joint Chiefs, or whomever, to prove that the torture was, indeed, authorized at the highest levels of our so-called government. Only then can we rid ourselves of the troublesome war criminals who are STILL running this country!!
Digby!
Alyssa!!!
Here is
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/9/17444/31578
a link to a DailyKos diary that recounts U.S. research into methods
of torture, some conducted under the auspices of the National
Institute of Mental Health, going back as far as the 1950s.
Nevertheless, so far it is only a few enlisted personnel who have been
charged with crimes associated with this nation’s recent program of
what is euphemistically called, “aggressive interrogation.”
What this country needs is a good old fashioned California-style recall election. A vote of No Confidence in this administration. Is that so hard?
We must come forward…nothing has changed since ‘64 or thereabouts. It is time we all stood up and denounced this war of aggression.
What a cheery string of posts. About time to put Mussorgsky’s “Songs and Dances of Death” to pick me up a bit…
I feel like I’m getting punched in the stomach whenever I realize that these things were done in the name of my beloved country
endorsed by people at the very highest levels of our government and actually they actually called it “aggresive interrogation”
every single shred of data told these morons torture creates terrorists, torture prevents us from gathering actionable evidence, torture puts OUR soliders at risk, torutre will make our battle almost impossible to win
it seems at every single turn, whatever tactic they were told would cause more problens is the tactic they used
it’s as if the people making the decisions were on the very same team as bin laden
can we recover?
we don’t know, all we can do is try
I was talking to a friend from Ireland, a good friend who always told me the Irish love America and Americans
she told me;
“we don’t like your country or your people anymore”
We’ve got something more lighthearted on the way, ET. Listen to the Prozac…
Here is Connecticut’s Representative Chris Shays (R-Sex Ring) stating that Abu Gharib was NOT torture, it was simply a “sex ring”. Those fine folks from Connecticut re-elected Chris. Why?
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/el…..a_sex_ring
Time to make it all stop.
I went to see Threepenny Opera today. They knew about Nazis long in advance. We know, too. Just ask Digby.
TRex @ 11
Thanks. I’m headed down to the ski town of Girdwood for a wedding later this afternoon, so that might be cheery too. I’m trying to finish a song cycle of my own, about winter, and that is seeping into my perception of all this awfulness we’re chronicling.
Did Inchon Korea landing as a 14 year old Ist Marine Division runaway .Did twenty combat years South Bronx cop-detective. Three gunbattles 1969-70 .Dear God would never torture another human being never .Think more of the black and Hispanic mommies I helped bring forth wonderful babies . John
Terrorizing cannot end Terrorism.
ReneND @ 16
it begets terrorism
that’s a keeper
I went ahead and bought the whole Keane album.
You know, my ex used to insist that my old kitty, Gus is as deaf as a post. But every time I sing, he rolls over on his back and purrs and kicks his feet delightedly. Sweet old bear.
ET, winter is there to make us enjoy the warmth of other people more. (And four legged people.)
And, I should add, the Pentagon and CIA have still not released all the further evidence of torture, rape and other general mistreatments at Abu Ghraib, even though they’ve been ordered to release it by a federal judge. The government simply hasn’t complied with the order, best as I can determine. As of mid-January, 2007, the Pentagon and the CIA were still making declarations as to why they could not release the ordered material to the ACLU under FOIA.
montag @ 19
rumsfeld himself said we have not seen the worst of it
that’s what needs to be done to bring these morons to justice, that information has to be made public so the outcty is deafening
I think of all of Darkblack’s designs, this is the darkest and most terribly beautiful. I would so wear this on a black t-shirt. No words except darkblack’s blog address across the back.
All of which goes to show that there are still some things that are stronger than pixels, P.R. and the pompous propaganda of the torture pimps.
And those are things like real memory, real experience and, yes – real nightmares.
.
Cruising the nets tonight from the otherlake on dinosaur dial-up. Newsweek poses the question more formally, but one is compelled to ask:
Has Chee-knee cut and run from witnessing for his good buddy and loyal liege Scooter? How’s that for a dinosaur fart….
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17…../newsweek/
And tomorrow morning we’ll be able to see if the loyal
liegessheep“journopundits” on the talk shows actually commit news or just Rupertainment, faux and otherwise.Carry on, oh worthy theropod.
Fighting these awful people who have wrested control of the USA, our moral foundation and what had been our fairly benign destiny is the central front in the war on terror.
Kinda suspect this being a very liberal site you think us big tall buck former U.S.Marines ( I am 6-4 ) and South Bronx street cops-detectives are just hard assed dudes but gee not so .I got four degrees including a post grad . Yes I killed gunmen South Bronx 1969-70 but think more of the sweet decent poor black and Hispanic mommies I helped with their sick babies in the middle of the night .Ever have a little black baby die in your arms doing mouth to mouth as your patrol car raced to the emergency room . So the thought of torturing another human being is pure evil . John
trex, thank you for another fine post, thank you for writing about this.
i sent a note to eric fair the other day after reading his article.
Subject: oh my
thanks, thanks, thanks for writing this.
now maybe you can have a night of sweet dreams sitting in a beautiful scene (like those painted by monet) eating a nice sandwich…..with all of your favorite things on it.
better yet, do that in the daylight hours, let yourself enjoy the simple pleasures that keep each one of us sane.
i hope you find peace now that you have done something noble.
life is too short to not let yourself be forgiven……
sincerely,
[Mod Note; Name deleted by mod.]
athens, ohio
p.s. although i read the washington post on-line, i hadn’t read it yet today, i found your column because someone provided a link to your column on firedoglake.com-it is the blogsite that is live-blogging the libby trial…..they post blogs inbetween the trial, too….on all kinds of things, i think it’s five or six people that do it, with a guest blogger sometimes……some of them almost cross a line with me, but is interesting just the same………the trial blogging has been exceptional, witnesses start up again on monday……many of the commenters provide charts and links to evidence, etc…….i have bookmarked a lot of things from the people in the comments section. diverse bunch of people.
p.p.s. i hope you have someone to talk to about all of this, if not, please think about doing that-maybe even a professional ‘listener’….clearing your conscience by talking about it can be helpful. helps put things in perspective when you get them out on the table instead of locked inside your brain. thanks again.
John Rowland @ 15
Wow. Read between the lines. You know, TRex, the human spirit will always out. Is it not a bit surprising that WaPo published that cry for help from one of our experienced service fodder?
I know that FDL fights every day against the perversion of humanity that is the amurkan gubmint. But what can we really DO? i don’t know, but i do know they will get no more of my tax money. i don’t care what Jesus said about rendering… i will leave that to Pixar.
But no more. the world hurts too much to participate in this death march. i would rather eat some illegal ’shrooms and try to make a connection to some higher intelligence, but i will also not stop to write about the travesties we are witnessing.
We are using new weapons to fight old injustice.
MODERATOR!!!!!!!!!
can you please remove my name from post 26—i do not have ‘edit this’ on my browser!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks
This is an excellent post, Sir TRex. Well done. And kudos to darkblack.
dmac, refresh your page, the mods caught it immediately. They’re good, aren’t they.
Just listening to MLK’s April, `67, speech at Riverside Church, in which he described the need to publicly challenge the government’s policy on war as “a vocation of agony.”
It is this way, always, that some have to speak up when government goes awry, because many cannot, or will not.
With some luck, more people will as time goes by. One day, someone in the Pentagon, pricked by conscience, will release the “Torture Papers” (if Rumsfeld has not yet succeeded in destroying all available copies).
Did almost 15 years with Queens FBI Agent brothers yes John Gotti and Jimmy Burke a la movie think ” Goodfellas “.Knew John Gotti knew his whole family and knew the Goodfellas crowd and they knew me .The deal was they would murder me in a milli second no big deal .But me and the FBI buddies never ever violated their rights or ever gave thought to torturing . I had to beat and hurt bad guys trying to take my head off but never thought of torturing them Dear God . John
No one would have thought that FDL would be cathartic for people like John Rowland, but i would hope that we are all thankful that HERE is a safe place for such folk to vent their stories.
When i was taken to jail by Gordon Liddy, i didn’t wish to torture him, even though he took me away from everything that was life affirming.
How can one do those things, or order them done, and still with a straight face call oneself a Christian?
They may evade our justice, but they will surely face God’s. And I wouldn’t trade places with them on that day.
From Think Progress. Slighty out of thread but it does show Republican knowledge of science:
So does that mean a certain 60 Footer is contributing to global warming?
AZ Matt @
35
I beg your pardon.
Speaking of which, a friend has just come by and we’re going to go and get some Thai food. I’ll see you kids soon.
shez @30
YES! THEY ARE!!!!!!
thanks to the wonderful ((((moderator))))
TRex @ 36
Just wait till Tucker Carlson and Jonah
Goldberg take up the cry -
has anyone seen any quotes from the ostensible paragon of morality, B. Obama, deploring such actions done in America’s name?
Polling data now make it safe enough to make stronger anti (Iraq) war speeches, but notice he never leads on anything?
Decided to google Gitmo images since I lived there once. Everything is about the prison camp now, not the beautiful unique base I remember so fondly. On page 29 of the search I see an image and go WTF? What in the fucking HELL FUCK?!!!
Got yer Good Christian Torturers right here:
http://infoladenludwigsburg.pl…..3137_0.jpg
The guy is a bloody pulp wearing a crown of thorns.
There. Are. No. Words. To. Excuse. This.
AZ Matt @ 35
Ah, Rohrabacher. The guy who was happy to further draconian immigration law, because “prisoners can pick fruit.”
I’ve heard people say flatly what they’ve heard, “CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.”
It’s a very simple principle. If the dipole moment of the molecule shifts upon irradiation by infrared, the molecule returns to its natural state by reradiating infrared at a lower frequency. It’s a simple matter of quantum mechanics, not faith.
Residence time in the upper atmosphere counts, too. CO2 has a residence time of about a thousand years. Methane, a greenhouse gas, too, has a residence time of about twelve years. Whereupon, it breaks down in the presence of ozone and ultraviolet light to… CO2 and water vapor, both of which are also greenhouse gases.
Just science, not faith. We have a population so poorly trained in the sciences that they are happily willing to accept magical reassurances from people, like Rohrabacher, whose secret agenda is to protect corporations, not people.
Saw HMO promo re Abu Ghraib program Feb. 22. Don’t know how deep it will go.
Torture under the American flag Old Glory”! This is unbearable.
new thread
Nous sommes tous les juifs allemands
Where’s that from?
Dont’ all rush up at once.
Wowser. Really good post. It’s just almost impossible to believe that such fools are in leadership positions in this country in the 21st century. I couldn’t believe that Bush/Cheney won in 2004 after the destruction they caused (and continue to cause). And the thought that all those “religious” people voted for them…
Thanks for the link to Darkblack.
I hope that Eric Fair and his colleagues will continue to speak out and that the people responsible for these atrocities will be tried for war crimes.
David Ehrenstein @ 45
http://tinyurl.com/2oxnpu (compressed Google (which is your friend) search) :)
Shez @ 41
that’s barbed wire – just depraved
I’ve been Digby’d more times than I can count. But I’ve been TRex’d quite a few times, too.
The neglected house, chores, bills speak to the obsession that fdl has become since I happened upon this site during the early days of the Libby trial.
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate reading the posts and comments, even those in this thread that are so criminally sad. Just exactly what brand of “freedom and democracy” are we exporting in this never-ending “war on tair”?
I don’t wish ill on this administration, only justice; my wish is for a healthy dose of wisdom and truth to guide us back to the right path — under far different leadership.
I wish more soldiers would speak up without fear that “they’re helping the enemy.”
kerplunk @
2
What’s the matter with Connecticut?
TRex,
Thanks for the thoughtful and sobering post. You said it as well as Digby did.
St. Paul had the awareness to write, “So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand.” (Romans 7:19) Cheney probably thinks he is doing “good,” to protect us from evil, but as you and Digby have shown so well, it is too slippery a slope for mortals who think they can do good while navigating so close to evil.
The Republicans (note the EPU in their name), led by Bush, like to chastise us for playing “Gotcha,” as if its bad to play “Gotcha.” But we must do it, with steady determination, until this evil has been thoroughly exposed and purged.
At least let us have a Truth Commission. The best disinfectant is sunshine.
There is such irony. Near the beginning of Bush’s administration, he (probably actually a speech writer) warned against hubris, if you can believe it. (I doubt that Bush even knows what the word means.) Unfortunately, that warning has long been forgotten. Hubris has grown like a cancer in this White House, including all those secret undisclosed locations where Cheney likes to hang out.
Healing can happen, but there is much work to do.
Bob in HI
Tragic but excellent post.
Can anyone tell me how the disgusting abuses of human life and dignity can be accepted in a society that wants to criminalize spanking?
I’ve been speaking out against these outrages since they were accused to be rumors, as so many of us have.
I want my country back and folks we’re gonna take our country back from those pathological abusers.
It’s too bad The Washington Post didn’t put Eric Fair’s commentary on the Front Page where it belongs.
Yes Trex, things are much worse than you think. If you don’t believe me ask Mohammed Ibn Laith. a 16 year old living in Baghdad who writes on my site.
*poof*
This just makes me sick. Where do they find these people that can do this to detainees? are these the skinheads and gang members we’ve heard about or is it just plain ol’ all American Joe six-pack? I willing to bet its the latter. What a great legacy you’ve left on this country GWB. Heckuva Job George and Dick.
One more minor little thing to worry about. All these military torturers will come home and look for jobs in fields where they have experience, like the police or prison guards.
Hey therapod, don’t forget at the end of the story i’ve been completely rehabilitated. While i became a renewable energy pioneer, Liddy went to prison. No one can take away my track record now, nor my credentials. How he became a pundit is very telling about what amurkan society has become. In fact, it’s damning.
Late to this discussion. I had not heard about Alyssa Peterson until now. This is so sad. To me, it kind of sums up all the degradation, tragedy, and waste of human life in this American Iraq war.
stratocruiser@67
You have hit the nail on the head. As an ex-serviceman I know that some of the action I saw in the 60’s (Aden, Borneo, Vietnam, etc.) left a lasting impression on me. Sometimes I see an image or a video clip and the whole episode comes flooding back – and that after 40 years!
Buffey St. Marie said it all with “Universal Soldier” – it’s the man holding the gun who is responsible.
TRex, thank you for writing about this very important but difficult subject. You are great asset to this blog.
UCSB is currently holding a series of lectures “Torture and the Future: Perspectives from the Humanities.” I went to hear Alfred McCoy, author of “A Short History of Psychological Torture: Its Discovery, Propagation, Perfection & Legalization.”
I was struck by the following:
Regarding the widely known photo of the hooded prisoner with electrodes attached to his fingers:
This photo shows two key components of a uniquely American brand of torture: sensory deprivation and “self-inflicted pain.” The “self-inflicted” aspect of this allows those conducting the torture to do so without laying a hand on the prisoner and refers to so-called “stress positions,” like standing for days at a time. What happens is fluid builds around the ankles and eventually results in kidney failure. So, stress positions are in reality torture even under the Bush Administration’s perverted, obfuscating definition.
Sensory deprivation is an insidious form of psychological torture.
The US ratified the UN convention against torture, but applies to physical torture only and does not include psychological torture.
““we don’t like your country or your people anymore”
Perris @10, I know someone who travels extensively and tells people routinely that he’s Canadian rather than admit that he’s an American.