[After enjoying his comments for the last few years on FDL and at Next Hurrah, we are thrilled to welcome Jeff to the front page of FDL. Welcome, Jeff! And a huge note of thanks for this brilliant, satirical artwork above to The Candorville Courier. Made me laugh out loud this morning. -- CHS]
I am very pleased to have the chance to guest post here in the midst of the very best Plame bloggers. I may have higher regard for the Washington press corps than a lot of people who post here, but there can be no question that the liveblogging that the incomparable Marcy Wheeler and Swopa, bloggers with a fuller, closer understanding of the case than any reporter could possibly have, have been doing is itself an event, as Rick Perlstein recently pointed out.
I have always been interested in the CIA leak case less because of who would end up being charged with crimes than what it would enable us to learn about the response of the Bush administration to the searing controversy over the prewar intel in summer 2003 and, beyond that, about how the administration mounted its public justification for war in the first place back in late 2002-early 2003. This matters for at least two reasons: because factual truth is both a powerful tool in politics, and one that is easily crushed and therefore that requires vigorous defense; and because it may help us to stop future disasters of the kind that the Bush administration's conduct of the Iraq war has been.
It's clear that Libby's trial will not give us a complete picture of what happened; but it is certainly adding considerably to our knowledge. It is fun to watch numerous rightwing talking points both about Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation and about the dispute over prewar intel in July 2003 crumble as evidence in the case becomes public. My favorite amusing just-disclosed evidence is an internal email from the Office of the Vice President from September 2003, just as the investigation was being announced and initiated, that gives the lie to one of the rightwing's talking points in defense of the administration and of Karl Rove in particular: that they were not really leaking – that Rove did not really leak to both Bob Novak and Matt Cooper – because the reporters called them, not the other way around. Here is Libby's aide Jennifer Mayfield emailing Cheney press aide Cathie Martin about some things Libby wanted to make sure Martin saw (from ABC's The Note):
And we really don't like to fight with Bob Novak – besides being a fellow journalist and Terps fan, he is our hero.
But we don't understand why
1. Bob thinks it matters that he was told the name of Wilson's wife in a conversation he initiated, as he claimed yesterday. It is a classic political hit strategy, Bob, to take the call from the reporter, and work the negative information into the call.
This is, of course, just what Rove did with both Novak and Cooper. And it is what Libby did with Matt Cooper, after strategizing with Vice President Cheney. Never mind that the more significant leak from Libby to Judith Miller on July 8 took place at a meeting arranged by Libby himself, at the behest of Cheney and, to some extent, of President Bush himself.
There are also more significant disclosures from the evidence, and they amply illustrate that OVP was incapable of refraining from mixing much falsehood and twisted information with the elements of truth that bolstered its case in summer 2003. To take but one example, they repeated, as a chief talking point, a falsehood that Wilson reported that an Iraqi delegation had traveled all the way to Niger in 1999 just to discuss expanding commercial relations – clearly code, Libby was still arguing before the grand jury, for purchasing uranium. They sought to show, of course, that Wilson's own report supported the administration's case, and that therefore Wilson was a snake, as Mary Matalin put it with so much class.
In fact, however, there is no such assertion in the trip report from Wilson's mission, as one can see from the copies of it, replete with vigorous underlining by Libby, entered into evidence at the trial. Instead, there was a much more casual meeting on the sidelines of an Organization of African States meeting in the middle of 1999 – a meeting where, once again, there was not one word spoken about uranium. That's not much in the way of vigorous pursuit – which is why, furthermore, Wilson's information was not in fact included as evidence for the October 2002 NIE's claim about Iraq's pursuit of uranium abroad, contra another suggestion Libby repeatedly sought to make. This is ground that eRiposte has been tilling to great effect for a while. What is new is to see just how central it was to OVP's pushback against Wilson.
Perhaps most depressingly, this talking point continued to live on, to the point that it was repeated in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's report on prewar intelligence, including by none other than one of the CIA debriefers who produced the report based on Wilson's trip which made no such assertion, as well as by CIA and DIA analysts! (It's on p. 46 of the report.)
The failures of the SSCI point to the need to revisit its treatment of the prewar intelligence. But the points I made in opening - about vigorously insisting on factual truth in politics on past events and present ones - are also nicely illustrated by two important developments today.
The first is the release of another report on the prewar twisting of intelligence, this one the Defense Department's Inspector General's report on the Office of Special Plans, which was located in Doug Feith's Policy shop in the Pentagon. All signs point to a vigorous effort by Feith and his allies to whitewash the illicit intelligence activities of the OSP. We can't let that happen.
The second is the step taken by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates today to further assert the administration's case for the nefarious role of Iran in Iraq. The public case-making has been delayed several times, and we have yet to see the evidence. When we do, we must pay careful attention both to its quality and to the way it is being used, and ask questions such as why the evidence gathered in the arrest of several Iranians in a December raid of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim's compound in Baghdad, initially declared a smoking gun, appears to have been pulled back altogether. And we must ask whether the Bush administration's outlook on Iran-in-Iraq was changed by the retreat from that evidence; if not, it means the intelligence, even the true intelligence, is being fixed around the policy once again. And if we are not vigorous about this, we are sure to end up in yet another disaster of the Bush administration's making.
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Good morning.
Thanks for the welcome, and all the help and patience, Christy and Mr. Mod!
Jeff — You are most welcome. :)
Welcome, Jeff.
Now I’ll go read your post.
The Mayfield-to-Martin email — can you link to the whole thing? What’s the date on it?
Second, I still don’t understand about all the evidence that was stipulated into the record at the end of yesterday — does that mean that they found the annotated Cheney op-ed in a safe? (Wouldn’t that sorta kinda be obstruction?)
Christy said she’d try to run it down yesterday (a 402, I think?) but is there any more news on this?
Have to pass on an email I received from a friend in Austin. During Molly Ivin’s memorial service there were 200 women outside beating pots and pans! You’ll remember she called for that, amongst many other possibilites for shaking up the country, in her last column.
Jeff in the house!
I am such a fan!
I love love love the exchanges you and Mrcy have at TNH
Glad to see you swimming in the lake
Do we as commenters receive a little ‘merit badge’ or somethin’ for refraining to add OT comments or refreshing every few moments during this historic unveiling of the most corrupt adminstration in the history of this country, or what?
Damn good post Jeff.
Very interesting read. It seems you have done a lot of homework!~.
One small typo towards the end .
I think should be, IF not.
mk @
5
Nope. It doesn’t matter where he kept it, as long as he turned it over when it was requested. Keeping op-ed articles in a safe is creepy and weird, but it’s not illegal.
mk @ 5
The Mayfield-to-Martin email is part of GX2A, the exhibits that accompanied the second part of Libby’s grand jury testimony. The email is toward the very end of the multi-part exhibit; it’s Grand Jury Exhibit 71, Bates Number 3754.
As for the stipulated evidence, as far as I know we still don’t know exactly what item it is that Swopa referred to as 402 - the government released an exhibit numbered 403 yesterday, which was Libby’s underlined copy of the Wilson op-ed, but no 402. My sense, following emptywheel, is that the point of the stuff about the safe was just to verify the document or something like that; no intimations of funny business.
I see that the “Scooter may not call Veep” talking point is finally making it into the MSM. Duh. The last thing Scooter needs right now is the phrase “shot in the face” being tossed around his trial.
looseheadprop @ 7
Back atcha.
There is a big theme going around that Russert cared more about protecting his sources than informing the public - and yes this is true. Happily, FDL and other recognized this and it is getting into national media outlets.
But FDL and others need to go beyond this and point out that Russert and others in the elite Washington media protected only REPUBLICAN sources. For the Clintons, they are only too happy to repeat any foolish nonsense cooked up by obviously partisan hitmen.
It lets Russert off the hook too easily to pretend anything else. In fact, I think the reason that Miller, Russert and others didn’t report on this signals that they knew Libby was treading on really thin ice.
If it had been a Democrat that leaked this, Russert would have been all over it.
Sorry, I didn’t think Molly was ever OT.
gates has the nerve to say this;
“At the same time, however, he said he was somewhat surprised that recent raids by coalition and Iraqi forces in Iraq swept up some Iranians.
“
hey mister gates, here’s a news flash for you;
if we attack Iran there will be MORE Iranians involved with Iraqi insurgents
tough to figure that one out?
moron
looseheadprop @
7
Seconded.
Frank at 10 — I e-mailed a couple of courthouse sources. Gov’t exhibit #402 was not entered into evidence yesterday. I’m working up a list of what has been, and will have more on that when I can get it completed.
christy, I tried emailing to your posted address and it didn’t go through
Gang — we’re not liveblogging today, so the bandwidth issues aren’t as crucial as when we are. As always, on topic comments are much appreciated, but, frankly, I’ve never found Molly Ivins to be off topic either. :)
perris at 19 — That’s odd. Did you spell it as ReddHedd AT firedoglake DOT com. (With the all caps as the symbols they ought to be?) A lot of times it doesn’t go through because people misspell ReddHedd.
Let me add my welcome to some of the others. I usually follow your comments on EW’s posts at thenexthurrah. It is great to see the wider exposure they will get. Thanks once again from Greece to all those associated with the site here.
Christy Hardin Smith @
21
I used the @ and a .
I’ll try again right now, let me know if you get anything
It’s important to push on how flimsy their Iran intelligence is (just like with Iraq), but it’s also important to push back on the idea that if Iran is supplying arms to anyone in Iraq, the only solution is to declare war on Iran.
Even if everything they’re saying is true (fat chance!), it still doesn’t make it in our national interest to start a war. That is the other thing that needs to be demanded at every turn, so that we’re not just fighting this on their turf — “How would this war serve our national interests?”
Ahh, finally — the chance to pick apart a post by Jeff, the way he usually does mine!!
Oh, but wait… this is a really, really good post. Crap! There’s nothing to pick apart, dammit. Life is so unfair. :-(
Awesome find on that Mayfield email. I’ll have to start poring though the exhibits to see what other nuggets there are.
And I’m glad people are hunting for exhibit 402. That was why I boldfaced that info in the live-blogging.
The most important effort to peel back what happened in the lead up to Iraq and keep the same thing from happening with Iran is to remove Dick Cheney from office as quickly as possible. He deserves impeachment (since I doubt he’ll ever resign) for the good of our country. Cheney has set a tone where towing his GOP line is more important than an objective view of our national interest (i.e. the Gregg amendment and debate votes in the Senate).
Please, let’s begin a serious effort to remove Cheney from office immediately.
Swopa @ 25
LOL!
I already picked the only nit.
John Casper @
17
Thirded!
ESaund @ 14
I know this is going to get me in trouble here, but I’m going to dissent from this a little bit. Russert is not particularly to my taste, but you can frequently learn a lot from his show that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Also, I don’t think he’s particularly partisan, and certainly no partisan hack. I do think there are ways that Democrats and Republicans get different treatment among the elite DC media, though that may be changing a little. But I wouldn’t go this far.
For my part, I think it’s worthwhile distinguishing the criticism of Russert from the attack mounted by the defense, which in effect ends up attacking the First Amendment. I’ve got no problem with what Russert did in the investigation, including fighting the subpoena in defense of a wider principle even after he’d talked, to some unknown extent though not very much, it seems, to the FBI.
Here’s CNN helping the Bush Administration make the case for a move against Iran:
While most of us were on our best behavior during this week’s live blog, the collective pent up energy seems to have manifested itself this morning.
Short-ish comments, with a link to more detail, are a wise use of bandwidth and much appreciated by your ever-helpful moderators.
Thanks.
Redshift @ 24
I pretty much agree with this, and tried to at least gesture at the point at the end of my post. Though I’m not sure I’d want to endorse the national interest as the only possible justification for a war, it it certainly an important one. And the point is that even if, as one has to presume, Iran is doing various nefarious activities in Iraq, that doesn’t answer the separate question of what to do about it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
CHS — one reading of your #21 might be that the R and H in your name are significant. You prolly were referring just to the AT and the DOT. To disambiguate if needed — In my experience, CaPITalizATion makes no difference in email addresses. I.e., MOONbat@FooBAR.coM will go to the same emailbox as moonbat@FooBAR.COm , assuming that moonbat can get email there. However, email with the addy moonbatt@foobar.com will bounce if there’s no emailbox for moonbatt at foobar.com . There’s some more geekiness in there but let’s take that as readd. :)
——
And of course, welcome, Fred! I look fwd to reading more of you here.
My apologies for this being
totally OT, but I got a real kick out of Doonsbury today.
He gets it.
http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/db/
welcome, Jeff
“Please, let’s begin a serious effort to remove Cheney from office immediately”
Double-Dog Ditto on that one. What’s it take to get that ball rolling, can Conyers re-direct the Bushy impeachment movement long enough to take out the real puppeteer, and THEN lets remove the puppet, which will be pretty limp without old Deadeye’s hand buried up it’s hole.
A Cheney impeachment would end this Chinese water torture, bring Rove, Feith, Matalin, et al under the microscope, and would provide the wounded MSM a wonderful venue to exact revenge for their embarrassment.
…speaking of water torture, hasn’t the administration approved waterboarding to be used for extracting information from unwilling witnesses?
Might we apply it to our own courtroom questioning?
Or is that only in Iraq or Egypt or Italy??
Just a thought… I mean, as long as its considered legal, a few minutes underwater on the board might loosen-up some neo-tongues.
Just kidding… sorta.
A minor detail from the last thread but still on topic here. Reports of Iranian serial numbers on some weapons and munitions found in Iraq mean almost nothing.
The missiles that are being used to shoot down American helicopters probably originated in some country like Romania. They could be carrying Romanian serial numbers. This does not mean that Romania is trying to shoot down American helicopters.
This is one of the reasons that the military has been more hesitant to draw a direct link to the Iranians, when and if some Iranian weapons show up here and there in Iraq.
When you think of how awash Iraq was after the Second Gulf War in weapons and munitions and how unsecured these all were by us, it really strains the imagination to think the Iranians would send or feel the need to send more of these into Iraq. It would be like shipping coal to Newcastle, or to update the allusion, snow to Oswego, New York.
Christy,
Reading through your “Guess It All Depends On What The Meaning Of “Illegal” Is…” essay from this morning, I caught the term “Intel Chop Shop’ you used to describe the Office of Special Plans. Perfect!
Maybe retired USAF LTC Karen Kwiatkowski should be thanked for bringing the chop shop out from under its rock back in 2003.
That’s all good, but personally I found most of those tidbits rather mundane. I was more interested in the report the Administration received four days before the SOTU, essentially recapitulating and expanding on the NIE. Specifically:
Reports indicate Iraq also has sought uranium ore from Somalia and possibly the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Kinda blows the “debunked” theory, eh? I was also interested to note the tasker with the “question” Cheney asked was dated Feb 13, 2002 . . . the day after Plame recommended Wilson for the Iraq trip. Which appears to’ve sunk the “behesting” bit as well.
Jeff,
Congratulations on the post.
Not sure if this was already answered, but what was the deal with the 402 document that appeared in a safe that only two people had the combination to?
Swopa @ 25
Note that the post is updated to clarify one thing I left unclear - the Mayfield email was showing Martin things, including the bit I quoted, from The Note.
As for 402, was the business about the safe just a question about custody of the doc and verifying it?
With the press obsessing over Anna Nicole and the diapered astronut, it is frightening to consider what foul smelling news this maladministration might push out into Friday’s gloaming.
Oops, forgot the *g*, keep on keepin’ on! Politics TV wrapups at the end of the day are so excellent.
S.O.S. in MA @ 33
Correct. Capitalization makes no difference in an email address. FYI, capitalization also makes no differenced in an url for anything in the domain name portion of the URL.
Case DOES matter for anything RIGHT of the first ‘/’
In the butchered URL below:
www.firedoglake.com/2007/vigorous-pur
Case doesn’t matter in wWw.FireDogLake.COm
If you typed in the url and put /Vigorous-pur/ you aint gonna get what you want.
“I was an Internet junky back when it was all lower case.” - Me, ca. 1994
An impeachment of Cheney is the best way to keep the momentum from the Libby trial going.
Step 1 - It’s a great topic for Meet The Press on Sunday don’t you think? Anybody know Tim Russert? (Come on, the whole Kevin Bacon Six Degress thing…)
Step 2 - Which members of the GOP are best to get the ball rolling? How ’bout that guy he shot in the face?
Balrog @ 41
Never mind. Jeez, getting old is difficult sometimes…
The Bush family autocracy must be brought to an end. It would be just like this spoiled brat of a prez to attack Iran and leave it to the Dems to figure a way out of the mess. This family’s dirty little tentacles run deep. I want my party, the Democrats to tie Bush in knots with investigation, after investigation and inquiry after inquiry.
Gates describes Iraq evidence against Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17064803/
Police: U.S. airstrike kills eight Kurdish troops
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17045824/
Jeff @ 42
The language of the stipulated testimony was very noncommittal (presumably because it was negotiated with the defense).
The facts were that the safe is where they found it, on the date described, and that the secretary who was testifying said she didn’t remember putting it there.
That could imply obstruction if there was an earlier search where it didn’t turn up, and especially if Mayfield (who was supposed to be the only other person with the combination) said she didn’t recall putting it there, either.
Has anyone else noticed something different about the comments and the posts today?
It seems to me that, as of today, we have passed some sort of a milepost, and now we are reaching or have reached a critical mass of information regarding all the lies that brought us into war.
The information about the propaganda techniques and lies that brought our country into Iraq is pouring out faster and faster, and the dots are being connected via past and current reporting, live congressional investigations and ongoing courtroom processes.
A sense of momentum is developing and a comprehensive three-dimensional picture of the Bush administration’s actions in 2002/2003 is taking shape.
We may now be at or past the point in time where the administration has any real power to prevent the whole story from eventually getting to the public.
For some reason, watching the comments and posts here as they build upon one another brick by brick, I think this may have been the day where that point was reached.
Mr. President, we must not allow an intel chop-shop gap!
Could probably use some troll clean up with Cecil Turner back at #39.
Yellowcake btw is a concentrate of the uranium ore and is not pure. It rather goes to the faked nature of the documents. Cheney had questions about Niger from the previous year so the story that Plame approved the trip before Cheney’s question is just bull. I wish Marcy were here. She could and has given the specific dates for all this before, when this question has been raised by visiting wingnuts.
Cecil Turner @ 39
Kinda blows the “debunked” theory, eh? I was also interested to note the tasker with the “question” Cheney asked was dated Feb 13, 2002 . . . the day after Plame recommended Wilson for the Iraq trip. Which appears to’ve sunk the “behesting” bit as well.
Didn’t the Niger-yellow cake business originate from Segreto, the Italian Secret Service, the “foreign government service” above? This has widely been debunked as a fraud.
From Segreto to British Intelligence to US Intelligence.
ya christy, Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
ya, my mail was returned again, it seems your server isn’t allowing mail from my server which is “sprintpcs.com”
I tried a differant mail address, hopefully that one will go through
Nothing less than political annhilation of the Bush family is acceptable. Otherwise this monster will rise again and try its best to swallow us.
I seem to recall many weapons being used to kill in Iraq are those for which there was no U.S. plan to secure after the invasion.
Hugh @ 52:
Oh oh. So I fed a troll? How naive of me. Apologies.
EPU’d:
“The report says Feith did nothing illegal..”
Pentagon prss release: We have investigated ourselves for the 14th time and, for the 14th time, found we have done nothing wrong.
I can’t help wondering if this off-the-record gem came from Scooter:
Read the tasker. Reference the chapter2-b.htm”>SSCI report on the date of Val’s recommendation. Decide for yourself.
The dispute is whether it was debunked by Wilson (and reported to the Administration, and hence evidence they were lying when President Bush referred to African uranium in the SOTU). Obviously if it was reported as fact by the CIA four days before the SOTU, that can’t be true.
JERUSALEM - Israeli police stormed the grounds of Islam’s third-holiest shrine Friday, firing stun grenades and tear gas to disperse thousands of Muslim worshippers who hurled stones, bottles and trash in an eruption of outrage over Israeli renovation work nearby.
I am at once disgusted.
*xyz @ 50:
EPU’d:
From Christy’s thread “The Trouble with Mary” yesterday.
_____
18 Biodun says:
February 8th, 2007 at 9:36 am
Christy:
Thanks for the post. Fantastic piece, and right on the money. The tandem Bush Administration-DC press corps specifically, and extending to US MSM in general: This tandem is now self-destructing.
After this trial, and especially after the way FDL has covered it, and also in light of FDL Team’s research into all the facts before the trial, US MSM will never be the same again. How people get their news in this country has–and will–change forever.
This is a truly historic revolutionary moment. The paradigm has shifted. To borrow a phrase from academia: The politics of the US media signifier has been transformed forever.
______
FWIW, Russert was on Imus this morning and said
Comstock’s Cheney’sScooter’s team was going to call Jill Abramson, Andrea Mitchell, and Bob Woodward among others next week.Hi Jeff,
I’ve been a longtime fan of yours. Good to see you posting now.
Something has always bothered me, and the defense focus on NBC especially Andrea Mitchell only makes me wonder more. Why was there no attention paid to Novak’s statement: “They came to me and they gave me the name”. In case of Armitage he certainly did not go to Novak, nor did he give him the name. And Novak’s article said that Wilson never worked for the CIA - something which I suspect (though do not know for sure) Armitage may not have known.
emptywheel has followed the Novak-Libby angle, but I wish we knew more.
It is interesting that the letter you quote also mentions Novak being told the name. What is the date of this letter (is there a link, I could not find it on ABC “The Note”)?
Biodun @ 57
I think it was the made up intelligence based on more made up intelligence accepted as fact that gave it away. But emptywheel did have a really nice response I read a day or two ago addressing precisely the Cheney-Plame question. It’s lost I’m afraid among hundreds and hundreds of comments.
John Casper @ 63, it is certainly getting better and better. Praise be to Ambassador Wilson for getting this ball rolling.
Can someone, anyone, convince me that the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for president from my party, Senator Clinton, would work tirelessly, if elected, to achieve peace in the Middle East?
John Casper @ 63
Again, anyone have anything on the judge’s reported problem with the defense calling “defense” witnesses for the sole purposes of impeaching them?
Cecil, where are the 500 tons of yellow cake now?
91351 @ 46
I think that when Scooter is found guilty, there will be enormous pressure to expand the TreasonGate criminal investigation.
I think Fitz has already laid out the evidence that will lead to Shooter’s indictment — evidence that incriminates the entire Bush Administration.
-ck- @ 70
Will Abu Gonzales remove Fitz, like he’s doing with other federal prosecutors deficient in lackey DNA?
_
John Casper @ 69
HERE.
LMAO.
lhp had a great comment earlier today that Abu came within a fraction of removing Fitz back in 2005.
I have to say, I hate myself at the moment. I purchased Valentine’s cards for the kids at The Peanut’s preschool. But I failed to notice that they are “assembly required” cards as I was rushing through the store last week and picked up the boxes. And now, I am sitting here folding and assembling tiny little child-sized candy-filled envelopes, because that is what mommies do. Aiiyeeee! (Sorry Jeff, totally off topic, but I needed to vent in the worst way.)
Can anyone explain how we get beyond the ’super majority’ thing? I’m all ears.
John Casper @ 63
I can’t wait to read the live-blog of Andrea Mitchell’s testimony and cross. Here’s a woman trained in deception. In her book last year she conveniently elided the fact that her first husband was an African-American. She didn’t even mention that she was married before she married Mr. Greenspan.
OT–My apologies.
Re: Anna Nicole and astronaut in diapers: I love that yesterday MSNBC pulled Rita Cosby out of deep freeze to cover the Breaking News Anna Nicole tabloid story. That “life-size blown-up doll” (as an FDLer described her months ago) hadn’t been on air for so long that I thought Dan Abrams had canned her.
John at 73 — LHP is correct. It was the weekend that Gonzales went out to have lunch with Mayor Daly, back in the days when the WH was standing up for him and against the potential Fitz investigation onslaught into bribery for the Daly machine. And then, the verdict on the Gov. Ryan case came in and…Gonzales slinked out of town.
> Could probably use some troll clean
> up with Cecil Turner back at #39.
It is interesting to me that on a dozen or so pivotal liberal blogs these types of comments are now appearing. This is the pattern that occurred during August-November 2004 and (somewhat less so) 2006. The troll posts are well-written and at least moderately subtle. They appear almost simultaneously on at least a dozen blogs under different nyms. And they often follow a consistent three-section format:
[1] Empty praise for some mechanical aspect of the original post
[2] Fairly well-written troll meat with misleading and/or misdirecting conclusion. Sometimes includes links to similar misleading “reference”
[3] Some form of “nice try though” or “too bad - it was a good theory”.
This has to be a deliberate effort.
Cranky
The largest conspiracy in the world can be brought to its knees by the largest supercomputer ever conceived, powered by unending, relentless human determination to get to the truth.
That supercomputer is called the Internet, POWERED BY PATRIOTS, and the thousands of dots that make up the BIG LIE are all being connected.
The truth WILL PREVAIL.
What part will you play?
Don’t be caught criticizing the cybersluths when the crime is solved.
Pick a dot, and connect it to another. Then pick another, and connect it to the first two.
And so on, and so on, and so on.
The power is in your hands.
Sorry if already posted:
Cheney’s Secrecy Fight Reaches a Key Point” An important legal ruling is pending over Vice President Cheney’s refusal to disclose statistics on document classification and declassification activity. The Information Security Oversight Office, which is responsible for the policy and oversight of the government’s security classification system, has asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to direct Cheney’s office to disclose these statistics.” (U.S. News & World Report)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
You will enjoy the smiles that they will bring!
Cecil B. Deluded
This week’s US decision to create a new Pentagon command covering Africa, known as Africom, has a certain unlovely military logic. Like Roman emperors of old, Washington’s Caesars arbitrarily divide much of the world into Middle Eastern, European and Pacific domains. Now it is Africa’s turn.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....97,00.html
OT - did anyone else get this email from Joe and Valerie? They need money, the defendents are stonewalling, etc.:
“…In the civil suit, the defendants are stonewalling with motions to dismiss the case and are hiding behind claims of immunity. Our attorneys have prepared a vigorous response and we are hopeful the court will see beyond their obvious strategy.
Your moral and financial support are critical to the suit’s survival, especially considering the almost limitless resources of the vice president and his fellow conspirators. We hope that you can help us to amplify the message sent by the American people on November 7th by continuing to make contributions to the Joseph and Valerie Wilson Legal Support Trust. This struggle will be long and arduous, but we remain heartened by your belief that what we’re doing is just.
We will continue to update you on our progress. Please sign up for our email alerts and visit our updated website www.WilsonSupport.org http://www.wilsonsupport.org/' for new information on this crucial fight.
Joe and Valerie Wilson”
Let’s send them some love $$$
Cranky Observer @ 78
good observation, and to add something NOT seen, as Jane mentioned, never a link to substance
ESaund @
14
Have to agree. The big question is why? why? why? The loudest voices wail liberal media bias is destroying this country. My head wants to explode.
Cecil needs to get emptywheel’s book with its handy timeline.
I ordered a second copy (for friends) yesterday (clicked through the ad top left) and it’s ’shipped’ today, per Amazon. Also go Elizabeth de la Vega’s book with it.
xyz at 50
“It seems to me that, as of today, we have passed some sort of a milepost, and now we are reaching or have reached a critical mass of information regarding all the lies that brought us into war.”
You are quite observant, the precipitate of truth is forming in the chemical mixture of the courtroom, and it looks like something many of us have known all along.
The treasonous scenario most of us suspected (and we could only suspect, unless we were actually in the limo that morning with Deadeye and Scoot) has been proven, by this testimony, regardless of the outcome of this trial.
There’s nothing more like toothpaste coming out of a tube than court testimony, especially when the bloggers we all love and respect are right there, to report about the glob as it leaves the tube.
XYZ, What you describe is Truth itself, like an Easter chick, breaking its way through a neocon shell of lies and deceptions.
So many of us have been calling this for a long, long time.
I still have an editorial I wrote in California in 1999, suggesting that, if another Bush ever won the R’s nomination AND the actual election, we would be thrust into war-for-profit somewhere in the world. No hint yet of Halliburton, but the Carlisle Group is mentioned in that editorial (land mines sold to SKorea).
And what we all feared would happen DID happen, but back then we were all considered and accused of being pinko traitor peace-nik hippy ragheadlovers, just to name a few of the names we were called during those pre-war peace marches.
This court case is the first OFFICIAL justification for our fears, which is why it seems so meaningful after the years of frustration because we couldn’t convince our fellow Americans that it was happening.
But now that we are justified, it is a hollow victory.
Between then and now, the human toll in lives and suffering has reached a level that even some of the most loyal conservatives no longer support or even respect their once-perfect urban-coywboy president.
So it gives us little solace to say “we told you so.” All the gloating in the world won’t bring back those dead men, women and children, soldiers and civilians alike, who were plucked from life or maimed and tortured, because of a series of lies that our fellow Americans, especially our lawmakers, should have been wise and powerful enough to discern and defy.
Cecil Turner @ 39
Kinda blows the “debunked” theory, eh? I was also interested to note the tasker with the “question” Cheney asked was dated Feb 13, 2002 . . . the day after Plame recommended Wilson for the Iraq trip. Which appears to’ve sunk the “behesting” bit as well.
Hey Cecil (who, by the way, is no troll - he is one of the few Plame people on the right who really knows his facts about the case)
The mundanity of the amusing tidbit matches the mundanity of the conservative talking point it rebuts. But the thing about Wilson’s trip supporting the administration position - including the false notion that Wilson reported on a trip to Niger by Iraqis dedicated to “expanding commercial relations” - is not mundane, it was a central talking point in July 2003, and it is based on several falsehoods nested inside each other. It was also a bit of nasty business, as it was designed to show that Wilson was a liar and a hypocrite.
As for the January 24, 2003 document, I included that on my side in the longer version of this post. The key point is that that was more kitchen-sink repetition of the kitchen-sink inclusion of the uranium story in the NIE in a document responsive to a request for new information. If you ask for new information, and what you get back is just cut and pasted from an old document - and no progress has been made whatsoever in determining if there is anything to those reports - it’s a pretty reasonable inference not only that there is nothing new, but that it’s really bad info.
Furthermore, and this is perhaps the central point, neither the NIE nor the rote repetition of it four days before the SOTU give any basis for the inclusion of it in the SOTU. The uranium story formed no part of the basis of the key judgment that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, and so therefore should never have been cited by Bush as evidence for the nuclear threat from Iraq. They were just reaching for whatever they could.
That the uranium story was no part of the basis of the key judgments in the text reflects the fact that, as Robb-Silberman made clear, none of the intelligence agencies apart from DoE - which was grasping at straws to support the obviously requisite conclusion, since it didn’t buy the central and supposedly most compelling evidence supporting the conclusion about nuclear reconstitution (the aluminum tubes) - used the uranium stuff as any part of their judgment about nuclear reconstitution.
It just should never have been in the SOTU, period.
What’s more, Wilson’s reporting wasn’t even part of the basis for the “vigorous pursuit” stuff in the body of the text.
As for the other thing, you look to be on stronger ground, and in an even longer version of this post, I was explicit about the bit about February 12-13 being an element of Cheney’s case bolstered by recently released documents, an element of truth amidst the falsehood. And kudos to you on that one, for real - though I will hold out hope that 1)either the SSCi got the date of Plame’s memo wrong by one day, in which case the issue is reopened; or 2)the tasking memo on Feb 13 is just a documentary memorialization of a request Cheney had made the day before and that had been passed along already to CPD. I will keep hope alive. But until then, kudos to you on that one.
By the way, though, York’s article on the issue sort of ruins itself because its other supposed revelation is a flop. He couldn’t resist taking a crack at Wilson, and York kind of screwed it up.