First, a heads-up: Christy will be on Air America with Sam Seder about 9:15 a.m. EST.
Somewhere in the lead up to the Iraq war, the Bush/Cheney Administration decided they needed two strands of intelligence to convince the American people and the world that a preemptive war on Iraq was justified. The first would be evidence showing that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction that posed an imminent threat to the US and/or its allies in the region. The second would be evidence that Saddam was so linked to the terrorists who attacked the US on 9/11 that it would be foolish to wait for his agents to attack us again.
Of course, we’ve long known that both strands of “intelligence” were false and based on fabricated or misrepresented intelligence, but even that revelation did not stop the Administration, and particularly the Vice President, from arguing the same points, over and over on Tim Russert’s Meet the Press and CNN. And by the time most of the country realized they’d been scammed, the Administration had invaded Iraq and become deeply mired in aguably the worst strategic policy blunder in US history. The rest, as they say, is legacy. But first: investigations and, we hope, accountability.
We've spent the last two weeks watching the Libby trial spotlight Dick Cheney's efforts to counter Joe Wilson's claims that the Administration misled the country into thinking that Iraq posed a nuclear threat to the US. We now know how hard Mr. Cheney and his Chief of Staff worked to undermine and intimidate the CIA to keep that canard alive. Now we're about to see the other main Administration argument, that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had significant links to al-Qaeda, be exposed as a misrepresentation of the Cheney-Rumsfeld neocon minions in the Department of Defense Office of Special Plans, a rogue neocon group set up to generate “correct” intelligence because the traditional intelligence community could not be trusted to give the cabal the answers it wanted.
In today's Washington Post, Walter Pincus and R. Jeffrey Smith report on how Douglas Feith helped cook the intelligence to mislead the country into war:
Intelligence provided by former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith to buttress the White House case for invading Iraq included "reporting of dubious quality or reliability" that supported the political views of senior administration officials rather than the conclusions of the intelligence community, according to a report by the Pentagon's inspector general.
Feith's office "was predisposed to finding a significant relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," according to portions of the report, released yesterday by Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.). The inspector general described Feith's activities as "an alternative intelligence assessment process."
An unclassified summary of the full document is scheduled for release today in a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, which Levin chairs. In that summary, a copy of which was obtained from another source by The Washington Post, the inspector general concluded that Feith's assessment in 2002 that Iraq and al-Qaeda had a "mature symbiotic relationship" was not fully supported by available intelligence but was nonetheless used by policymakers.
Remember the infamous meeting in Prague between the reputed World Trade Center terrorist Mohamad Atta and Iraqi officials — the meeting that Dick Cheney kept insisting (and on Tim Russert's show, no less) proved the link between Iraq and the terrorists responsible for 9/11? That cooked up story was misrepresented to CIA officials:
But only "some of the information" in those briefings was "supported by available intelligence," the summary said. The version of the briefing presented to senior Bush officials, it said, contained different information than a presentation to the CIA. Left out of the version for the CIA, the inspector general said, was "a slide that said there were 'fundamental problems' " with the way the intelligence community was presenting the evidence.
Once again, we see the pattern of a skeptical intelligence community being overruled by the Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal:
Feith, who was defense policy chief before leaving the government in 2005, was one of the key contributors to the administration's rationale for war. His intelligence activities, authorized by then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul D. Wolfowitz, and coordinated with Vice President Cheney's office, stemmed from an administration belief that the CIA was underplaying evidence of then-Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's ties with al-Qaeda.
And once again we find the perpetrator in complete denial about his responsibility for misleading the country into a tragic and catastrophic war:
In a telephone interview yesterday, Feith emphasized the inspector general's conclusion that his actions, described in the report as "inappropriate," were not unlawful. "This was not 'alternative intelligence assessment,' " he said. "It was from the start a criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community, and in presenting it I was not endorsing its substance." . . .In interviews with Pentagon investigators, the summary document said, Feith insisted that his activities did not constitute intelligence and that "even if they were, [they] would be appropriate given that they were responding to direction from the Deputy Secretary of Defense."
Senator Levin:
"The bottom line is that intelligence relating to the Iraq-al-Qaeda relationship was manipulated by high-ranking officials in the Department of Defense to support the administration's decision to invade Iraq," Levin said yesterday. "The inspector general's report is a devastating condemnation of inappropriate activities in the DOD policy office that helped take this nation to war."
The Post article is based on a summary (h/t Stephen Parrish, CPA), and more will likely come out in today's hearing. Just once, I’d like to come across one of these neocon minions who displays an ounce of remorse, any hint of regret or acknowledgment of what they've done. Why is that too much to ask?
UPDATE: Commenters City Girl and Ann in AZ found the links to assessments of the Office of Special Plans and a special tribute from Tommy Franks to Mr. Feith’s “intelligence.”
UPDATE 2: Commenter cs, art is bread finds this excellent 2003 Guardian story on the Office of Special Plans.
UPDATEs 3-4: Commenters are finding lots of related links, but this one from mui to an excellent Frontline expose is particularly worth checking out. And from Cheryl, a very readable article by Dreyfuss and Vest in Mother Jones.
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FITZ!!
Fitz! Christy! Jane! Swopa! Emptywheel! Scarecrow!
I meant to say “crickets”, but looks like I spoke too soon. Good morning!
Good morning! Great post Scarecrow. I sent the Pincus article to my husband (who is traveling for work) with the subject heading “Speaking of manipulating intelligence…”
Scarecrow,
What, no link for Christy’s Sam Seder talk?
Morning all — great piece, scarecrow. Was it Powell or Armitage who dubbed Feith as the dumbest man in Washington — or was it someone else? It’s tough to keep the insider insults straight these days. *g*
Ann in AZ @ 5
Someone mentioned to me that if you have iTunes on your computer, go to radio, and play Air America off of that. The FDL commenter who mentioned it said it works much better than the stream off their website.
Ann in AZ — you can listen live to Sam’s show via Air America online here.
Lying arrogant sons-of-bitches beget lying arrogant sons-of-bitches.
EPU-ed as I typed….
Now back to read the post… happy day, pups!
If Senator Levin can make this stick, it will be far more important (imho) than the “uranium from Africa” strand. Because I think the American people will be be able to grok it better — less complicated donchaknow — and because it will be far harder for the MSM to follow shiny objects instead of this prize of a story. I can just see the headlines — “DOD ACTED IN BAD FEITH”
Anyone know when the long-delayed and much-stonewalled “Phase II” of the Iraq Intelligence Report will finally get pried loose from Senator Pat Roberts’ fingers? That’ll help get this story back to the front pages, too.
Thank you all!
CHS @6–I believe that was Gen. Tommy Franks as quoted in Woodward’s Plan of Attack:
Page 281: On Douglas Feith, the Pentagon’s undersecretary for policy: “I have to deal with the f—–g stupidest guy on the face of the earth almost every day.”
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I hope Pincus keeps up this reporting on the Administration’s neocon cabal intelligence operation…As I read, I was hoping that they would connect Feith to Cheney and he did.
EPU’d from last nite’s discussion and TRex’s thread, here is a possible example of what’s been happening while Nero fiddles with our burning democracy.
Here’s the German TV Link to last night’s story of how French special forces twice asked US Command Baghram for permission to kill or capture Bin Laden after they had him in visual contact. There was no decision forthcoming. The soldiers went public after being stonewalled by french military, which denies the story.
If the video doesn’t come up, on the left choose “Die Suche nach Bin Laden” (the search for Bin Laden). remember, this is Germany’s main network evening news.
The story reports that the two reasons permission was not given were 1. the US needs Bin Laden alive to promote the war, and 2. if they kill him Musharaf will be overthrown.
Now back to scarecrow.
I am thankful to be able to report that I have had no dreams of anyone remotely involved in the cial leak trial. What a relief!! Hope everyone is well this morning. We have had a nice clean couple inches of snow this morning. Have been out and swept the steps.
Hope there is lots of interesting commentary.
I want to blow off some steam here for a bit;
we’ve been claiming the prosecution”s case relies on the russert testimony
this is just not the case, there is documentation that Libby learned Valry’s status from cheney, that documentation is dated and that date is before Valry’s name was made public through Novak
it doesn’t matter one stitch if russert mentioned Valry, what matters if Libby claimed he was “shocked” when he found out from russert
that is a lie, he couldn’t be shocked he already heard it from cheney
the fact that russert denies having known anything about it is only driving the nail further into the the coffin but it is certainly NOT the case, it’s not even an important part of the lying case
it adds to the obstruction charge, obviously adds another count to the lying charges, but it is not what the government is relying on to prosecute Libby
that’s the case
CityGirl at 13 — That’s right! Thanks — that was going to bug me all day. I’m only on my first cuppa coffee this morning. Mr. ReddHedd brought home some sort of wayward ick, and I’m trying to get the antihistimine to kick in this morning before I get on the air with Sam. Nothing like having a cloudy brain for a radio appearance…eeeep!
Really appreciate it. I knew it wasn’t one of the usual suspects, but I couldn’t remember exactly who said it. Merci!
re: CHS on Air America – you can also listen through iTunes. Click on ‘Radio’ in the Library, then click the little triangle next to ‘Talk/Spoken Word’, then, after the list of stations appears, double click on Air America.
Logically war crimes tribunals for these people should not be that far in the future.
Thanks, LMAO.
Good morning gang. Busy week, no? You can send finger balm care packages to Swopa c/o Plame House. And aren’t the end of day videos with Jane/Swopa great?
btw, if anyone is feeling ambitious and can find either the MTP or CNN/Wolfie interview (a video?) of Cheney — just last year — in which he’s still making the Prague argument, I’d like to add that.
Mornin’ pups.
is now a good time? I have been trying to resist the urge to commwnt and refresh b/c i did not want to be the straw that broke the camel’s back and brought down the servers.
technology hate me and I figured the servers would know it was me.
Just once, I like to come across one of these neocon minions who displays an ounce of remorse, any hint of regret or acknowledgment of what they’ve done. Why is that too much to ask?
#1 small typo sh be — “I’d like”
#2 too much because neocon minions are inherently nonhuman. Political vampires.
CityGirl @
13
City Girl — great find; I’d add it to the post, except Jane said I can only stay if I clean up my act. ;)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Christy,
That would have been General Tommy Franks:Link Here
Prairie Sunshine @ 24
Thank you. Fixed.
looseheadprop at 5:54 a
You’re always welcome.
Yes, though, with no liveblogging, I suspect traffic is way down.
Also, so often this week when the journalists were getting crossexamined, I thought of your, “it’s hard to find swans in the sewer.”
I’m very interested in all your observations about what went on.
twolf1 @
19
Thank you so much! I have been fighting with realplayer which gets stuck at 50% Im hoping that itunes will be the answer.
Oh Scarecrow, thank you so much!!! I was getting worried we wouldn’t cover this story, especially with the report coming out on a Friday. Classic News Dump. [sigh]
As I said downstairs, the lede on AP’s current coverage of this story gives away what the Pentagon is trying to do, make it all tidy when in truth the OSP was engaged in what could rightfully be called treason.
So why is this story important to us Plame-aholic freaks?
The OSP cooked the alternative intelligence that was selected over the intelligence that Valerie Plame and the CPD and Joe Wilson had on Iraq, and most likely tweaked to squelch what Wilson published. An unclassified report is to be released today, the contents of which Senator Levin has condemned. I can’t emphasis enough that when he says the report is damning, he is not saying this lightly.
Further, the OSP may have been specifically designed because of CIA’s CPD and whatever Plame was working on. Why would the OVP work so damned hard to not only go after the spouse of Joe Wilson, but out the entire front company and all its assets when outing Plame?
It’s this last point that makes me think that Plame & CPD had the goods on Cheney Co. — and possibly the OSP as well.
Ann in AZ @ 26
Ooh, that’s good; I’ve added that in an UPDATE
I agree with Perris.
And I think that point needs to be made OFTEN.
The media will focus on the Russert is key witness angle because they always focus on their own.
It doesn’t matter if Russert is telling the truth or not, although based upon the live blogging it seems pretty apparent that he came off a completley credible on the point relating to the pivotal conversation.
Pat’s Opening Statement made it clear –that it is seemply unbelievable that you were shocked on Thursday to “learn” something that you yourself were talking about on Tuesday and had been discussing with the Veep several times a day for acouple of months.
It is simpy impossible to believe.
And this from a woman who still believes in Fairies and pixie dust!
“Just once, I’d like to come across one of these neocon minions who displays an ounce of remorse, any hint of regret or acknowledgment of what they’ve done. Why is that too much to ask?”
Because these Mayberry Machiavellian mofo’s haven’t lost yet.
this is one of the biggest reason i don’t entirely buy the “good intentions plus incompetence” argument – that they really do believe in democracy and freedom for iraqis it’s just that they’re too incompetent to pull it off”)
if they really cared – even a little bit – i’d expect some hint of regret.
another great post, scarecrow.
I’ve got Sam Seder live right now, through iTunes, all the way on the other side of the toobz. Thanks for the tip, go reddhedd!.
It’s not offthread in this discussion of falsifying Iraq – al Qaida intelligence to compare that with the commander in chief deciding not to hit or capture Bin Laden. The French special forces guys were very convincing, or the network here wouldn’t have run with it. Buck Fush.
“It was from the start a criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community, and in presenting it I was not endorsing its substance.” . . .
The Stinkometer goes off the charts with this twisted comment. Where do the find these fools? Oh ya, the Hertitage Foundation, the AEI, Hoover and few other cesspoools.
Rayne @
30
Yep. That’s the link that needs to come out, and I hope at some point the trial fallout will allow that to come out. Right now, the focus is still too narrow. We need hearings.
Scarecrow,
I read the article this morning and am wondering about the IG report (which I have not located yet)
Feith is emphasising that the IG report is characterising his action as “inappropriate” not unlawful. But the quoataion marks are only around “inappropriate” implying that the
Not Unlawful
Part comes not from the IG, but from Feith. Having been the author of an IG report or two (OK maybe more than that) in my time, it is very extrodinary to issue an “all clear” like that. Not saying it didn’t happen or couldn’t happen, just that it is rarre and almost almost always done with all kinds of qualifications.
OTOH, it is very common fo r and IG report to say that somethong is “inappropriate” and then refer to the FBI or some other agency for further investigation or a determination of whetehr it was illegal.
Note: I have not seen the IG report yet (if anybody comes across it–I would love a link)
Second note: Illegal does not always = criminal.
AZ Matt @ 36
I really didn’t understand that stupid quote. You presented information that you didn’t endorse?! You are playing devil’s advocate with American foreign policy.
twolf1 @
19
Wow, thanks for this info. A feature I have on my computer that I had no idea how to use!
Redd coming up on Air America!
…sounds like CHS is up next on Air America after this commercial break.
“DOD ACTED IN BAD FEITH”
Heh, good one SOS, that’s a keeper.
Yay, just mentioned on AA that Christy is coming up next.
Good Morning Scarecrow, Christy, and Firedogs -
a little cold water –
Feith indeed may be one of the dumbest, but the General himself all too often is allowed to skate -
Tommy Franks has spent the last 18 months shilling on behalf of Rumsfeld and was the most prominent face questioning the nine retired generals -
further, dumbest is as dumbest does – this is the guy who sent all primary intel units back to the States within 2 days of the statues falling – you know, the kidz who analyze the Iraqi street
and not to be outdumbed by Feith -
Apparently written on one of his good days
and puhleeze, let’s not forget that Medal Of Freedom ;)
I’m on hold with Air America. They have the best hold music…
Jane S. @ 39
He was/is a cherry picking, lazy sh*t that was not going to let a few little things like facts and reality get in his way. Thank God a spotlight is being shined down this outhouse hole.
looseheadprop (38) — I don’t think the unclassified IG report has actually been released.*
Somewhere back in time, roughly when Bunnatine Greenhouse was given the heave-ho, there was some sort of change in personnel in the IG’s office. I don’t know that I am ready to trust fully what’s in the report without clarifying who actually did the report.
In other words, the truth might be worse.
Best article I’ve read so far is by Jonathan Landay. Note this bit:
[emphasis mine]
*Supposed to be released later today, as I understand it.
looseheadprop @ 38
This suggests that Friends of Feith may have leaked the summary in order to spin it’s findings in advance of the hearings. I was watching the AP reports yesterday about the “inappropriate but not illegal” theme.
Christy!! Sam!!! I am listening!
—I think this is the number to call to ask a question on Sam Seder Show: 866-303-2270
CHS on now…
We’ll NEVER see an ounce of regret or remorse from these guys, because they don’t believe they are, or have been wrong. This is definitely a criminal issue, but I guarantee that it is also a psychiatric problem. And the only cure is terminal therapy. And a long jail sentence.
I’ll look for it, but there is a description in one of Woodward’s books about the pitching of the Saddam/Al-Qaeda story to the President. As I recall the low level details are telling as is the timing vis-a-vis what the IC knew about the Atta story at the time.
The IG report will be released today, but we get only a summary. Rayne’s point that when Levin says “highly disturbing” it must be. But then this is not new news.
scarecrow, can’t get over Gen Franks “f*ckin stupidest…” comment.
christy’s on. iTunes works.
Rayne @ 30
I think you are exactly right, Rayne. If I might “actively listen” and elaborate on what I think you’re saying:
——
PS — tnx again for the Gabbly pointer, Rayne. C U there next Mon! :)
I’d like Pelosi to reconstitute the House UnAmerican Activities Committee and haul Feith before it. Given his connection to Larry Franklin it would make for good TV. Plus, who knows? Maybe there’s a secret pumpkin message in the story. The House has got to get more aggressive with these guys.
“In a telephone interview yesterday, Feith emphasized the inspector general’s conclusion that his actions, described in the report as “inappropriate,” were not unlawful.”
If we’re to believe W, these guys answer to, not man-made law, but a higher father. Well, the two laws that come to mind are: “Thou shalt not bear false witness” and “Thou shalt not kill.”
The arrogance, indifference, and outright criminality of those who hold power in the current administration is truly remarkable. Bush, Cheney, Feith, Libby, and on and on, have somehow found ways to wriggle out of the responsibility they bear for their disastrous decisions and actions.
The spotlight that the new Congress is starting to shine on these thugs cannot come soon enough or blaze bright enough.
They are really cooking on AirAmerica!!! They are outing all the media whores and the political pimps.
Yeah, Redd! Nice job!
Nice, well deserved plug from Sam Seder to go to FDL, servers hang in there.
Speaking of Larry Franklin and CONSPIRACY CHARGES:
It’s time to raise the level of discourse where the term “Conspiracy” is concerned:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/…..ug2005.htm
We’ve all been conditioned to snicker and ridicule when non-professionals offer theories about conspiracies. It’s time to talk about all of these theories and unravel the whole thing.
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
Those who have conditioned you to sneer at “Conspiracy Theories” are the same groups conspiring to control you.
Witness the collusion between government and media.
Whew — I hope I didn’t sound too stuffed up on the air this morning. I hab a code in by dose.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
You were great!
Nice to hear Seder thanking Christy, promoting FDL by saying you need to learn more about this, well, treasonous behavior. Yes.
Great shout out by Sam re firedoglake!!!!
“Do yourself a favor & get some REAL reporting on the Libby trial @ firedoglake.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
You were great, Christy, but why is your husband holding fundraisers for Libby’s defense fund?
Get well quick, sudafeddhedd.
Thanks, guys. With two FDL front page hat tips two days in a row I am quite humbled.
Can’t wait till the Plame blogging resumes next week. Great job.
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Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
Sounded good from here.
no, Christy – you didn’t sound stuffy at all…
Yesterday, as we ended the live blogging, someone asked “what next” for the Firedog Lakers?
I tossed out a no-brainer, suggesting that we go after the liars who planted the WMD seed so deeply into the American psyche (more than 16 words deep).
Apparently the WaPo had the same thought with Feith in the bullseye.
So I suggest again that we take this key of truth that Fitz has wrested from the Libby trial and use it to open up that WMD door.
The lies we need are all on record, there are a number of websites with a chronological list of them all, Mother Jones’ version is my own favorite.
The house of cards has fallen, we’ve been dealt a hand of guilty facecards, so lets play the game.
knut wicksell above -
have been googling around trying to find out the latest in the AIPAC trial – no real luck – at one point the judge allowed Def to subpoena Condi – unlikely she would have done anything but provide a written statement- and the judge even hinted at one point the trial wouldn’t proceed -
anyone ?
knut wicksell @ 55
O yah, there IS a pumpkin in this story… Who needs Whittaker Chambers!
Our modern-day pumpkin is stuffed with catapulted propagEnda… and it’s leakin’ out of every orifice, especially the mouth…
… and it has a name, and its name is TIMMEH (aka “PumpkinHead”). LOL, I kill me.
——
PS — can’t wait to listen to CHS/Seder when AAR Premium puts up the podcast of today’s show… minus the commercials… HeHe
Sam’s follow up is confusing the DoD’s Defense Intelligence Agency with Feith’s Office of Special Plans. DIA has always been there; the OSP was neocon/new.
SOS (54) — yes, exactly, we’re on the same page.
This is another one of the “dogs that didn’t bark.”
What would a typical business do, for example, if it experienced a breach in its security? In my experience, the process looks something like this, and I would expect that the government would do something similar or MORE aggressive if it was about national security specifically:
1) Management and security get together to discuss the nature of the breach;
2) A problem statement and solution are developed to minimize sustained losses, to halt any further losses, and to eliminate the exposure;
3) The assets exposed are immediately audited and protected from further exposure, and other solutions are implemented.
Does the exposure of Brewster-Jennings in October 2003, after Plame’s outing in July 2003, without official declassification of Brewster-Jennings, fit this process?
HELL NO.
Something is seriously wrong here, has been all along.
I have a quick question for Christy. Since Russert is (sort of) a lawyer, when Agent Eckenrode called, it is a little surprising that he didn’t say, “I’d like to speak to my attorney before I talk with you.” IANAL but I think that if the FBI called me, I’d say that.
While the Wilson story was unfolding I was actually paying more attention to the Dr. David Kelly story in the UK (I was so fed up with US press that I was mainlining the Guardian and the Independent at the time). Consequently, the first story I read that clarified the OSP for me was this one in the Guardian from July 2003. To this day, it holds up.
conniptionfit @ 51
Closest thing to remorse thus far was Duke Cunningham’s tearful display. He is a neocon by proxy and by rubberstamp.
Go Sam Seder-
Yah, Coburn won’t run if there is Ethics Rules in th Senate. Got to pass those rules now!!!
The Abramoff Trial, the AIPAC Trial and The Libby Trial are all part of the same conspiracy.
CONNECT THE DOTS
[Mod Note; just so we’re clear, do you mean the activities of the individuals involved, and not the actual trials, are part of the same conspiracy?]
it will be an interesting news dump day – off to work now…
let’s keep after ‘em…
The editor of the Des Moines Register & Tribune has an excellent article at the Nieman Watchdog site on the press’ failures re Iraq and the examination of their “efforts” that should be forthcoming.
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/…..isid=00261
I commented and included a shout-out to FDL. Hope actions like this bring recognition & $$$$.
Have my several letters to Keith Olbermann produced any results yet?
…I am amazed CNN is currently covering this story when more important stories are unfolding as we speak… mainly, ANS’s autopsy
Feith, aka The stupiest man alive, is just low hanging fruit….who was in charge of setting up this Alternate Universe of Intelligence under Rummy’s perview? Yes why did the Cheney Administration set up this shadow intelligence office ( OSP ) in the first place? Plus I hear there is another one operating for
cookingIran intelligence. They just changed the name of it but it does exist all loaded up with the usual neocon PNAC-AEI suspects. It is called the Iranian Directorate.don’t you ’spose it’s going to be “All Anna, All the Time” for a week or so, twolf?
wrt to the senate armed services committee hearing today (it’s just started).
i don’t see it listed on c-span or c-span radio… but it CAN be listened to via the audio (only) stream from the room.
go to http://www.capitolhearings.org/ and click on the room number in RIGHT hand panel “Russell 222″ for the real player stream. i’m trying to record an mp3 of it… it sure sounds good – levin (i think) is now ripping feith a new one in his opening statement.
now… i’ve got to run to a doctor’s appointment… hope my recording works, this is one i’m going want to listen to.
HI! I am so enjoying the PoliticsTV clips with Jane and Swopa. It is so refreshing to see real live, intelligent, non-airbrushed human beings doing play-by-play reporting on such an important topic.
I am so pleased that the truth about the collusive relationships b/w some DC reporters and the WH are being exposed during the course of this trial (not that those of us who have been paying attention weren’t already aware of how outlets like the “liberal” NYT enabled this president to sell the pubic on a bogus war!)
I’m with Jane – bring on Andrea Mitchell! Get this stuff down for the record.
Great job, Jane and Swopa. And you look great. You don’t need no stinkin’ airbrush!!
Jane S. at 75 — Russert has never practiced law — he’s always been a political wonk, first on the Hill and then on the news. Criminal law is highly specialized, and Russert knew enough from his law school days to know that he would need specialized assistance to walk through any interview with the FBI. It is the smart thing to do to call someone who knows the territory. Only an idiot of a lawyer would represent themselves in any matter, really, because you cannot have any objective distance about a case in which you, personally, are involved. Does that help?
OldCoastie @ 83
Most likely. At least it got rid or Diapergate
cs, art is bread @ 76
thanks, I’ve included that link in another update.
Here is the link to the Armed Services hearings. I cant get it to play but would love to hear Levin.
http://www.capitolhearings.org/
Seder is doing a great of of pulling Feith and the Libby trial together. the coverup for the lies.
And the comments are amusing.Nine pages and growing.
senate armed services committee hearing:
James M. Inhofe (R-global warmin is a hoax) – now lying about intelligence… but he’s leaving, and apparently mccain isn’t there.
this could be really good!
ok, now i’ve really got to go…
Great post, scarecrow.
I don’t know about the “neocon” part, but a column today by Eric Fair in the WaPo shows that remorse, regret, and acknowledgement of one’s own actions are not quite dead. Fair was an interrogator at Abu Ghraib, and write frankly about his time there and since.
He concludes:
Bold added for focus, not emphasis. There’s plenty of emphasis in the words alone.
snowbird42 @ 90
did you click on the room number – on the RIGHT for the realplayer stream? i’ve got it going now.
hackworth @
77
I always thought Duke was just an old fashion crook, someone who only stole the people’s money to get rich, not someone who set out to ruin the entire country. I miss those days.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 86
Thanks CHS, that does help. My husband who is a lawyer got mad at me when I talked to an insurance company without him there after some jerk backed into me. I told him that when a person backs into your car, they are always wrong but he takes a cautious view of everything. It turned out fine fortunately.
selise @ 92
On the Daily Show the other day, they had a clip of Inhofe claiming that Al Gore was in it for the money and insinuating that people should follow the global warming money trail. He then used ‘all the money that The Weather Channel is making’ as an example.
Peterr at 94 — thanks for that link. I think that topic comes up more in your line of work. I’ve just dealt with ordinary crooks, like Enron.
PREVENTIVE war, not preemptive war. Preemptive war is when the enemy is massing his troops on your border. Preventive is when you think he might attack you some time in the future.
Here area a couple of other articles (sorry, don’t have the links to the originals):
http://homepage.mac.com/masonmcd/BadIntel.html (James Risen – NYT from April, 2004)
http://homepage.mac.com/masonmcd/stovepipe.html (Seymour Hersh’s excellent article on how normal intel lines were short circuited)
The real question isn’t “did they do anything illegal,” but “what possible qualifications did Feith’s people have to analyze raw intelligence?”
We might as well have Lyndon LaRouche in there.
cs, art (76) — yes, that story is exactly the kind of material that should have stirred our country into a sh*tstorm over the war. Note this bit:
Our DoD was infiltrated, with the help of Doug Feith and others like him. Ret. Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski wrote in 2002-2003 about foreign nationals who were roaming the halls of the Pentagon, as if they already knew their way around…and then the Larry Franklin prosecution happened, and nothing happened correspondingly to Doug Feith and the rest of OSP. I have never understood that, other than the intelligence we have on our own people is as stovepiped and cherry-picked as the intelligence we have on other countries.
a not so delightful irony – it was Judge Reggie Walton who under some State Secrets statute, told Sibel Edmonds to STFU about Feith/OSP
early last year, she filed a recusal request on the basis of ‘redaction of disclosure’ – a little fuzzy there – does anyone know the dispo on her motion ?
From the Wonderful Folks Who Brought You Iraq
The same neocon ideologues behind the Iraq war have been using the same tactics—alliances with shady exiles, dubious intelligence on W.M.D.—to push for the bombing of Iran. As President Bush ups the pressure on Tehran, is he planning to double his Middle East bet?
http://www.vanityfair.com/poli…..ntPage=all
Personally, I think Bush is faking his religious faith. However, if he’s not, shouldn’t he be worried about his place in Heaven since his lies have caused the deaths of so many people?
It’s about time the WaPo paid some attention to this. In fact, it’s about two and a half years too late. The OSP was part of the subject of Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski’s (Ret.) article on the Bush Administration’s manipulation of intelligence back in 2004:
http://dir.salon.com/story/opi…..index.html
There’s not much new in what Pincus and Smith are writing, I suspect, except for some of the high-level decision-making involved in its creation and planning. Thanks for pointing this one out, scarecrow. Hopefully, I can take a look at it later today.
MasonMcD — nope, sorry, that first question remains valid.
At what point does deliberately miscontruing intelligence and hiding evidence of such behavior not constitute a fraud against the United States — no matter whether the persons involved were qualified or not?
These are the same ideologically zealous nitwits that drove America off the edge of an abyss with ginned up news stories fed to them by sycophants from the middle east looking for money and connections.
Let’s not forget that neo-con and noted war-monger Michael Ledeen was reporting breaking news in early January from one of his “sources” that the Iranian supreme leader, Ayataollah Khameini was dead.
To quote Monty Python: “I’m not dead yet.” The Ayatollah recently announced, live and in public that Iran would respond to any attacks with a vigorous military reaction.
So much for Ledeen’s sources in the know. Now if the media would stop giving airtime to these neo-fascist frauds and hucksters the nation would be a better place.
-GSD
rob levine @ 100
I understand the distinction you’re making, and Bush has made the argument for “preventive” war, but the Administration also insinuated that the threat to America was imminent – as in more terrorists flying planes into buildings, so we couldn’t wait for more sanctions to work. It may be that the Administration tried to muddy these distinctions.
Mother Jones printed this flow chart years ago.Here’s the link http://www.motherjones.com/new…..2_400.html
Cujo359 — Kwiatkowski actually wrote in 2002 for David Hackworth’s website while she was in NESA, which worked alongside OSP. She was trying to tell people BEFORE the war that there was something very wrong going on.
Basically, we, the American public failed her.
cs, art is bread @
76
I remember the story from back then, but forgot it. I just reread it and the conclusions hit me as if new.
Wow, the British press was able to disect the runup to war accurately, while we watched the woodwardizing of journalism.
I just emailed Thom Hartman asking him to have Jane on again. He said no problem.
(You can stream his show here).
http://aaphx.com/
holy crap!
levin (i think) is now reading a list of feith intelligence report statements (to policy makers) and after each one he’s being told (by Mr. Thomas F. Gimble, Acting Inspector General, Department of Defense) that the intelligence community did not support or believe them.
levin – “devastating”
Rayne @ 107
Right. But without answering my question, they can just get away with “hey, it’s not against the law…” and frame it however they please – patriots just trying to do their duty, etc.
We have to show the world what hacks they were.
Somewhere there’s a mug of Doug without the rug.
o/t
Fired US Attys -
if not posted in the thread about them last night -
one of the fired (solid Republican) calls BS
via FDL friend Larry Johnson -
No Quarter
you have to scroll down through all the Dusty Foggo slime
Rayne @ 47
I think I would put Feith’s “exoneration” in an even more dubios catagory than Rove’s
Rayne @
102
Please read this: http://www.informationclearing…..e16234.htm
Scarecrow @ 48
Yep. I think so too. Can’t wait to get my hands on it though
So the Defense Dept. and the OVP can hijack the intelligence apparatus of the federal government and launch a preventive war with information that they knew was faulty and at the end of the day, that is just “inappropriate.”
plunger @ 79
Correct – the AGENDA that each of them were pursuing are part of the largest conspiracy this world has ever known.
The mainstream media does its best to compartmentalize each of these headlines as being unrelated to every other headline.
there are no coincidences. Every event relates to every other event.
Connect the dots:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
The AGENDA is spelled out clearly in the PNAC and one would need to be a COINCIDENCE THEORIST to presume that all of these events are simple islands unto themselves.
David Rockefeller leads the agenda and all who are (s)elected to serve – serve his AGENDA:
Both of these are Brief – important viewing
David Rockefeller – American Traitor:
Founder of Council On Foreign Relations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ensmPJm5B5A&NR
David Rockefeller & Dick Cheney:
American Traitors…
Cheney laughs about lying to his constituents in order to get elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdxLYuvvbgs&NR
The California Energy Crisis was the pretext for the energy experts being (s)elected. Ken Lay was a co-conspirator with GHW Bush for all that has followed.
Mornin’, all.
CBS radio and CNN cable TV are giving a lot of attention to the Feith story. (Not as much coverage as a certain other story about a dead blond woman… but still, a decent amount of coverage.)
As many of us predicted, the Libby trial is leading many people to expose many of the dirty secrets of this administration. There is no stopping the tide of information showing how many in the government conspired to manipulate and cherry pick information, with the goal of selling a war they wanted to create. By this summer, only the most stubborn people in America will still claim to believe that the Bush administration has been honest and justified in their actions leading up to and during the war in Iraq.
Bobby Gates has got the goods on Iran.
So he says.
-GSD
The article about Feith and his OSP is very interesting.
The Wikipedia paints a rather sharp picture of Feith and his eadeavors. I have no knowledge of its accuracy:
There’s a Frontline program on the Cheney/Feith cabal, its paranoia about the CIA, and circus contortions of “intelligence.”
Stephen Parrish — thanks much, that article fleshes out the intersection of many key players, including that universal fascist Michael Led**n.
FirePups should be asking more about Judy Miller’s relationship to Led**n, and her nature as a “responsible journalist.”
Responsible to whom? the members of the WHIG and the OSP?
Was Judy a contractor to the allegedly defunct OSI? Does she have a LOT more to be weaseling about on the stand than a lapse of memory about Valerie Plame?
p.s. sorry I missed Christy on the radio this morning! I hope you’re feeling better soon. Drink some tea and let someone else take care of you!
Mark @ 109
Thanks for the flow chart link. I hung onto that one for ages, then forgot all about it.
hackworth @ 77
Not to mention he got caught and sent to jail…
Feith teaches at Geogtown?
John Woo teaches Law at Berkley?
Gemme a f*****g break. What’s wrong with these institutions? Don’t send your kids there.
cs, art is bread @ 76
thanks for that link … I had forgot about Newt Gingrich’s visits to the CIA
and I, sadly, can’t spell. yeeps.
Here’s another whooper that MSM (Russert)refuses to call him on…
Now, what Saddam represented was somebody who had for 12 years defied the international community, violated 16 U.N. Security Council resolutions, started two wars, produced and used weapons of mass destruction and was deemed by the intelligence community to have resumed his WMD programs when he kicked out the inspectors.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14…..mode/1098/
Christy,
Heard you on the steaming radio. Great job!
mui @ 126
Thanks, that was a great Frontline program; I’ll add an update.
There are some questions that need to be asked right away, occur to me as I skim the National Security Act of 1947:
Who authorized the creation of OSP?
Did the OSP do any covert work?
How did OSP get funding?
Did OSP have the imprimatur of George Tenet as DCI?
Depending on the answers to these questions, it looks to me like the entire OSP could have been an illegal operation.
Not to mention the little problem of allowing foreign nationals dictate our intelligence from within the DoD.
mui -
have been visiting and revisting The Dark Side since it first aired – just this week I clicked on “Interviews” and read the Steve Coll interview – I don’t buy it 100%, but it has gone some distance wrt answering questions about Tenet
Steve Coll
Rayne @ 127
You know Rayne, it sounds like highschool, I know, but Judy Miller’s “not knowing” of Valerie Plame always struck me as a highschool girl snub. I am willing to bet she knew of Valerie and the double combination of Valerie’s good looks and legitmacy in the intelligence community led her to write Valerie “Flame” in her notes.
snowbird42 @ 90
Thanks. Got it on now. L.A. Times again this morning buries the Libby trial story on page A14. Byline is Times staff writers, not the AP feed, still it can’t inch toward the front page. Let’s not forget the wonderful op-ed by Jonah Goldberg yesterday in which, of course, no mention of the Juan Cole baiting bet was made. Hating the new look of the “Tribune Times” more each day…
mui — I think it was more than “high school”. I think she was told to burn Plame.
She wrote that “order” in a place away from her general notes about the topic for a reason — because it wasn’t information but a specific instruction, IMO.
Yet another “dog that didn’t bark”, though, since Judy’s editor had her on such a tight leash; Judy couldn’t flame Plame by writing about her.
And again…
MR. RUSSERT: The vice president of Iraq said yesterday that he expected the United States to attack Iraq regardless of whether or not they allowed U.N. inspectors.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, the issue with Iraq isn’t inspectors. That’s just a piece of the equation. The inspectors are a means to allow the international community to assure itself that Iraq has come into compliance with U.N. Resolution 687. Specifically they agreed to give up their weapons of mass destruction, to allow international supervision to see that it had all been dismantled and destroyed. They’ve never done that. They kicked the inspectors out so that the world doesn’t know what they’ve got.
http://www.iraqwatch.org/gover…..-19-02.htm
perris @ 17
Well…precisely. That’s why Well’s line of questioning was so pathetic.
Libby had to contort himself into a pretzel to explain that even though he had already heard the info about Plame one month earlier from Cheney (and had been sharing it with a number of journalists per Cheney’s instructions) – when Russert told him “everyone” knew that Plame was a covert agent for the CIA, Libby “remembered it as if it were new” (which EW loves to quotes)
There are, I believe, five counts to the indictment. The lie Libby told about Russert speaks to one count of lying (and perhaps a bit to obstruction). But it is one of the most clearcut and explosive lies. Think of it – he stated point blank that he heard the news from one specific newsman. Did Libby not think ultimately that Russert would find out about his lie (i.e. read the content of an indictment)? Further, did he think Russert would happily go along with the lie? (Though I guess that’s what Andrea Mitchell started to do, and then thought better of it.)
FRom the WaPo today.
Since we are talking about the policies of Feith, here are some of the results:
An Iraq Interrogator’s Nightmare
By Eric Fair
Friday, February 9, 2007
Here, a few of you need to read this interview with Karen Kwiatkowski.
She spelled out clearly what OSP was doing all along, this interview only reiterating what she said in 2002 and 2003:
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/…..000352.php
This interview also clearly explains why we have to expose this entire nest of vipers in brightest sunlight — because OSP was only the first wave in a series of projects that extended across the Middle East.
Glorfindel @ 131
Woo at Berkley? Huh? These guys should be shunned by the intellictual community. But, I guess I’m just old-fashioned. Credibility is sooo passe.
Rayne @ 141
Yeah, I can’t help but get the feeling reading the trial transcript–with Scooter’s “agitated” presentations to his beloved tools Miller & Russert, Mary’s ssnake comment about Wilson and BS about Tweety, Miller’s comments about the temerity of Wilson questioning the preznit and writing down “Flame,” etc.–These people press&Cheney’s office are a bunch of vindictive, overheated little neocons out to burn anyone who gets in their way. Highschool is my way of saying, I guess, that none of these people acted like responsible adults.
Page 281: On Douglas Feith, the Pentagon’s undersecretary for policy: “I have to deal with the f—–g stupidest guy on the face of the earth almost every day.” T.Franks
What struck Franks as stupidity may just have been Feith’s ideologically-driven decicions. They made no sense to Franks but they did to Feith.
I felt this way about Bush for three years. I coul dnot understand his decisions and I thought he was stupid.
plunger @ 122
Just watched the youtube clip with Dick at CFR. Seems Dick does have a sense of humor.
Great Toles cartoon on th libby trial this morning:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/….._main.html
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
119
A very interesting article. The Wikipedia says stuff along the same line in its entry on Feith:
Rayne @
137
Rayne – I just found this on Raw Story: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0209.html
Addendum: http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..t_rou.html
On the flip side, I am heartened that Russert/Libby/Judy etc. are right where they belong: in front of a jury of their peers. Or perhaps they forget that we the little people are their peers? Is it possible to remind them?
Morning everyone.
Fascinating and disturbing post Scarecrow.
So-o-o-o, ’twas just a “criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community,” perhaps “inappropriate” but certainly, heaven forbid, “not unlawful”!?!
… and we are to believe our “Commander in Chief” simply kept pedaling his little bike, totally oblivious…
Two words. No, make that three, better yet, seven:
Incompetence
Treason
Impeachment
High Crimes and Misdemeanors
Headng out for a while.
The Sunday gasbag shows virtually all post their guest lineups early Friday afternoon. Look ‘em up and send ‘em your questions. They say they welcome comment? Give ‘em some.
Sunshine is a great disinfectant!
Just for my assistance, when I clicked on the senate hearings, I got a prompt that it needed Real Player. When I clicked on that to download, it wanted $19.99. Is that right? I certainly got QuickTime with giving money, but the what do I know.
Prairie Sunshine @ 10. “A teachable moment: Imus says he just doesn’t get “this” — Marcy, send the book!”
Yep and write him an email to tell him its coming.
I LOT of people do not understand this story. In fact, most people do not understand the story because what they do know is wrong because they’ve been listenening to the right-wing spin machine for four years.
Read Greenwald today about the spin achine and the Edwards story to see how that is begginning to change.LINK
LandOfTheFree @ 123
The kool-aid mainliners are hopelessly addicted and they will never, never, never stop backing this pres. If he busted into one of their homes and shot their 80 year old grandma, they’d claim it was self-defense because, as she raised to embrace him, he thought she was really about to gum him to death.
Neil (145) — you’re being kind and generous with them.
Here’s a thought experiment: assuming you’ve never experienced them, what is transcendent or unity consciousness like? Can you explain the experience to someone if you have experienced them?
If consciousness is defined as one’s experience of reality, it’s difficult to explain or imagine a different state of consciousness because it’s not real to you.
Doug Feith seemed stupid to Franks because he was living in an utterly different reality, separated from what the rest of us consider the realm of everyday reality. In his reality, doing what he did made absolute sense.
In other words, Doug Feith and the rest of the neo-cons like him are f*cking insane.
Not stupid. Just criminally, psychopathically off their f*cking rockers. Jane’s “Natural Born Killers” who’ve been able to hijack our country to thunderous applause.
IGrandmaJ @ 152
It is free, look around there, they may charge $19.99 for some deluxe version.
mui @ 153
Yes, this is a delight! Keep ‘em coming, I say. It’s about damn time.
GrandmaJ @ 156
You can get a free copy of REAL player that doesn’t have all the bells and whistles or you can pay for the full feature one. do a good (google) search and poke around.
Thanks JaneS — will go back to check. I am always a tad bit too quick to give up.
Stephen Parrish — thanks for that. I knew Larisa would be first. ;-)
Just waiting for my email from her. Gad, but she’s good.
Mandrake @ 146
Yeah that is painful isn’t it. I’m particulary pained because I come from a college town, and see legitimate scholars work their asses off to get jobs, but well what do I know.
Christy has a NEW THREAD that follows up on this story, upstairs.
Stephen Parrish, CPA, I’ve added your link to Rawstory. And thanks to all for the great links/comments this a.m.
Not to diminish the intrigue, but it may also be that in order to avoid mispronouncing the name “Plame” she wrote the word “Flame” as a pronunciation reference. No forgiveness intended here, but it just seems like something of a simple “note-to-self” that it is pronounced PLAME, not Plammy.
For those who enjoy speculating about what we can only imagine all these things meant, I still think the whole matter started with a morning limo ride.
In this psuedo-imaginary scenario, Cheney angrily thrusts the newspaper clipping of Joe’s editorial at Scooter and says, “I don’t care what it takes, get that c%$#@*&%er WIlson, even if you have to out his g#$%^&%n CIA wife. I guarantee, that’ll shut em up long enough to sell this war to the rubes.”
Who, ME???
GrandmaJ @ 159
It is worth listening to–McCaskill is up–she is doing a good job. Please let our 6 year national nightmare end soon…
It’s kind of amazing that there is still juice in stories about Clusterfuck and his merry band of Clusterfuckers lyin to go to war- but there you are- it’s headlines everywhere.
Also interesting is the status of the peacenick gooper senators. A few days ago- the impasse in the senate was taken to indicate that Clusterfuck was certainly NOT a lame duck- that he had plenty of political juice with the gooper faithful. NOW the peacenick goopers are BEGGING to get their proposal on the floor for a vote- what happened here?
Seems to me that the gooper senate leadership extracted a promise to hold the line on the vote and force Reid to vote on ALL measures- Reid decided to pull the plug on the fuckers and leave em swayin in the wind- and they got over their loyalty to Clusterfuck in about 15 seconds! Reid called em out and the Clusterfuckers backed down!!!
Runnin like whipped dogs.. Old man Reid beat em like drums..Let’s see if the press gets this right!!!
Prairie Sunshine 154
Sounds like a good idea. Sunny here too, except for my disposition.
Is it just me? I refuse to tolerate being “led” by such a bunch of crooks.
Is anyone still awake in Congress? Do they not see??? Yeah, I realize there are indeed a few heroes there, but what of the rest of them? How DARE they enable these goons?!
Rayne @ 158
Rayne – looking at wigwam’s 7:12 am comment, I see the following excerpt from Wikipedia:
So should that quote be jointly attributed to Tommy Franks and Lawrence Wilkerson?
Scarecrow — here’s another bit of related goodness for you, on the heels of that now-released unclassified report.
Sen. Levin’s 21-OCT-2004 report:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congres…..4levin.pdf
Fresh thready goodness available for the reading, everyone.
#167–I don’t want to dispute the stupidity of Feith but have Franks and Wilkerson met former Senator George Allen?
Stephen Parrish — you know, I did think I’d heard more than one person say that about Feith.
Bet I saw Wilkerson’s comments to that effect at some point in Larry Johnson’s blog.
If you’ve got two unrelated sources, you’ve got it.
JEP @ 167
Yeah see I don’t buy it that they didn’t know that that Plame rhymes with Flame and not Sammy. Plame>Dame is the intuitive pronunciation. I am pretty sure they knew Valerie was not French. Judy’s so-called misspelling makes more sense when you see how disposed they all were, particularly Mary, to namecalling.
The only way a rule of law has any credibility is when breaking the laws results in serious, equitably applied consequences.
rwcole @ 168
Mebbe the errant/arrogant-goopers started gettin’ some cranky letters from constitooooents? I know my letters didn’t pull many punches, ahem. I’ve had it with these guys. Oh, and I did make sure to thank those who are fighting the good fight, but still sent them a copy of the letter I sent to the neer-do-wells, for their info. -just a few talking points from the home state, dont-cha-know. ;->
Scarecrow. Great post. Were you a Poli Sci major? Did you ever take Sarrat at the college on the hill?
Short Levin: The facts were being fixed around the policy.
“Mebbe the errant/arrogant-goopers started gettin’ some cranky letters from constitooooents?”
Hundreds of thousands, maybe a million…
And many more to come.
Blame the blogs.
Mui at 176;
If I’m right and her “flame/plame” notation was a memory exercise, then it was probably the first time she heard the name “Plame” spoken aloud.
But it also presents the option that she may have READ it somewhere else, first. Then when she heard Scoot say it out loud, she specified for future reference how it was actually pronounced.
Which only supports the prosecution’s case that Libby was not casually sharing Plame’s name in generic, two-way conversations, he was emphasizing the name at every intentional leak.
Regardless, it has less to do with “proof” than many other points, so it is just another mystery we can only speculate about until someone specifies what the truth might be.
PS Why doesn’t the spell-check work? Is it just me?
Scarecrow – you just get better and better. Very good stuff.
and a special tribute from Tommy Franks to Mr. Feith’s “intelligence.”
Thinking about other comments reportedly by Franks as to Feith’s intelligence, this is pretty funny.
Levin needs to hit this hard. Very, very, very hard.
By unravelling the OSP, which was obviously following orders, he can pull the neocon string all the way to the top. It’s may be the only chance to reel in Rummy, Libby, Cheney and ultimately even the President.
The 1947 statute may be what gets this thing started. ALL intelligence operations were required to be subjected Congressional oversight.
My hope is that Libby’s current problems, while very serious, are just of the start a whole host of problems finally getting some “special” attention now that the Senate has flipped.
Levin has called today’s report “alarming” and “damning” already – seems he’s off to a good start.
Gawd Almighty. Well, it’s about time this stuff is coming out – thank god for Dem subpoena power. We’ve all known about this for so long and now it’s FINALLY coming out in the msm.
As I always say, better late than never, but does anyone else besides me get the impression that this entire mess, which has become way to dangerous for the corporate backers involved = abandonment by those same corporate interests who will not allow themselves to be sacrified on the altar of botched neocon ventures = abandonment by a once compliant press, bought by the huge corporate interests which are now fleeing the sinking ship?
It’s sort of an eternal cycle of corruption, but you have to be saavy enough to keep that circle going without a hitch and Bush just ain’t got that kinda smarts. And Cheney, well his addiction to greed and avarice was so profound, he lost all sense of perspective in pursuing his neocon fantasies.
The game is rigged by the corporate interests, not by their willing puppets. They are cutting the strings and leaving the theatre before the audience figures out what happened.
stingray @ 184
Justice: Let’s roll!
Cozumel @ 131
And here’s a link to a Sunday Herald article from June 2003 that lays out how Project Rockingham kept the stories of Saddam’s noncompliance alive through the 1990s.
Project Rockingham, precursor of our own OSP.
JEP @ 182
Uncle. (at least for this little while.)
PS – cbl@44 amen, and the speech where Franks says he’d be fine with sacrificing 200,000 american soldier’s lives to Iraq is just peachy too.
scarecrow, I am disappointed you didn’t go with the yellow tie pic of Feith that rawstory always use.
AZ Matt @
36
weasel. period.
Grant Gerver @ 9
Consider the latest “Intel” that Iran is supplying arms to “AiQueda and insurgents” in Iraq. Smells suspiciously of comming from the Pentagon bowels again. Gates appears suddenly to be a Rumsfeld clone
Illegal means against the law, which presupposes that the law is above the Executive branch. In the Unitary exec theory, it’s a case of the law being against their actions, not their actions against the law. Faith raises them above the law, and any law that tries to be against them misses under their feet, or something, or nothing, Shut Up!
OT – did anyone else get this email from Joe and Valerie? They need money – defendents are stonewalling, etc.:
“…In the civil suit, the defendants are stonewalling with motions to dismiss the case and are hiding behind claims of immunity. Our attorneys have prepared a vigorous response and we are hopeful the court will see beyond their obvious strategy.
Your moral and financial support are critical to the suit’s survival, especially considering the almost limitless resources of the vice president and his fellow conspirators. We hope that you can help us to amplify the message sent by the American people on November 7th by continuing to make contributions to the Joseph and Valerie Wilson Legal Support Trust. This struggle will be long and arduous, but we remain heartened by your belief that what we’re doing is just.
We will continue to update you on our progress. Please sign up for our email alerts and visit our updated website http://www.WilsonSupport.org http://www.wilsonsupport.org/' for new information on this crucial fight.
Joe and Valerie Wilson”
JEP @
181
Eye of the beholder(!)
“Blame” = CREDIT! ;->
you upset? or you happy? sometimes blame’s a good thing? eh? Me? GUILTY! & proud of it, even if it did make me miss a whole day of libbylibbylibby coverage (which was made up in short order – retirement is good ;->)
no problem. yer welcome.
Another good article on the OSP complete with a great flow chart of the Intelligence Chain:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/featu…..2_405.html
Shez @
43
OR RUMSFELD ORDERS BAD FEITH INTELLIGENCE
After all, Feith says that his bulldada fabrications were not UNAUTHORIZED
Cheryl @ 196
Thanks, Cheryl — I’ve added that link to Update 3; it picks up on the Kwiatkowski connection that Rayne mentioned.
Anyone know if Feith can be prosecuted under this Act?
THE ESPIONAGE ACT OF 1917
Act of June 15, 1917, ch. 30, title I, 3, 40 Stat. 219,
amended by Act of May 16, 1918, ch. 75, 40 Stat. 553-54,
reenacted by Act of Mar. 3, 1921, ch. 136, 41 Stat. 1359,
current version codified at 18 U.S.C. 2388
“Sec. 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies…shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both. “
It would seem to me that by encouraging an invasion under falsely contrived intelligence, removing the US military from other Areas of Operation, having troops and the intelligence services investigate false reports of WMD’s or links between Al Qaida and Iraq, that the resultant 3000 US Military deaths and 20,000 casualties and costs approaching $1 trillion would be sufficient to establish harm to the United States.
Lies to Congress, and the American people and our Allies that have harmed the US Governments reliability as an honest broker and source of information certainly aids our enemies and foreign governments and entities that benefitted to the detriment of the UnitedStates.
The Pincus article on the IG report has been pulled from the Washington Post site!
thank you fitzpatrick
Too often we lose sight of the simple pleasures in life. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 facial muscles to frown. But, it only takes four muscles to extend your arm and bitch-slap that Mother@#*!#! upside the head.
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OOOPS! Post runs a correction on the Feith story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02387.html
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It was off for about an hour with this brief note, “An article about a Pentagon inspector general’s report on pre-Iraq war intelligence is being reviewed by The Washington Post. Check back later for updates.” Then it returned rewritten with a correction note. Apparently the authors collated the IG report and Levin’s comments as if it all came from from the report. I’ll bet there was one hot phone call from somebody. I’ve never seen a Washington Post article pulled and rewritten.
There was another article about Feith on the front page of the Washington Post, but the link disappeared about the same time as the Pincus article from the main page, though that article is still online.
I wonder who called?
So, Feith is claiming that the Office of Special Plans was not into “intelligence” (probably based on an Alberto Gonzales “finding”, similar to Gonzales’ twisted “finding” that torture isn’t really torture because they said it isn’t torture and therefore doesn’t violate the Geneva Conventions)?
In other words, Feith and all the rest of the warped neo-con fools are claiming they really, really didn’t violate the National Security Act of 1947 because the OSP wasn’t doing “intelligence.”
But, of course, they really weren’t doing “intelligence,” because it takes someone with intelligence to do “intelligence,” and we can definitely rule out any neo-cons at the OSP having any “intelligence.”
Gen. Franks had it right. In fact, maybe he’ll be called as a character witness at Feith’s trial…and at the trials of all of the other neo-con fools who violated the National Security Act in pursuit of their horrific, delustional and utterly insane goals.
THE EICHMANN DEFENSE
It raises its ugly head again…
(from the WaPo article quoted)
For those too young to know: When Adolph Eichmann used the defense, “I was only following orders,” as several Nazi defendants claimed at the Nuremburg War Trials. [Eichmann was the primary overseer of the deportation of the Jews and others to the death camps and other concentration camps.]
Eichmann was executed for his crimes.
Of course, the other take on this Feith statement is the Dick Nixon claim of, “If the President does it, it isn’t illegal.” Feith evidently remembered Nixon and chose the word “approporiate” rather than claim it was all legal.