
Scarecrow's exceptional post this morning about the idiocy that was Doug Feith's cook-the-intel-books Office of Special Plans shop lays out, in all its glory, the efforts to re-write reality to suit the Bush Administration's pre-fab plans for Iraq. The WaPo article lays all of this out in clear language. And the Senate Armed Services Committee will no doubt get to the details of the IG's report today.
The NYTimes adds another layer of accountability onto this story, which I think deserves not only a mention, but also a whole lot of sunshine. To wit:
...In a rebuttal to an earlier draft of Mr. Gimble’s report, Eric S. Edelman, the under secretary of defense, said the group’s activities were authorized by Mr. Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul D. Wolfowitz. They did not produce formal intelligence assessments, and they were properly shared, the rebuttal said.In a statement issued Thursday, Mr. Feith, who left the Pentagon in 2005, made similar points. Mr. Rumsfeld did not respond to telephone messages seeking comment.
According to Congressional officials, Mr. Feith’s statement and the policy office’s rebuttal, the report concluded that none of the Pentagon’s activities were illegal and that they did not violate Defense Department directives.
But the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, said in a statement that because the inspector general considered the work of Mr. Feith’s group to be “intelligence activities,” the committee would investigate whether the Pentagon violated the National Security Act of 1947 by failing to notify Congress about the group’s work....
The Senate Intelligence Committee, meanwhile, is completing work on its own investigation into the use of intelligence by policy makers in the months before the Iraq war. Under Republican leadership, it had delayed an examination of Mr. Feith’s activities pending the outcome of the inspector general’s report.
The Pentagon’s rebuttal vehemently rejected the report’s contention that there was “inappropriate” use of intelligence by Pentagon civilians and said the effort to identify links between Saddam Hussein’s government and Al Qaeda was done at the direction of Mr. Wolfowitz, who was deputy defense secretary at the time.
Describing the work as a “fresh, critical look” at intelligence agency conclusions about Al Qaeda and Iraq, the Pentagon rebuttal said, “It is somewhat difficult to understand how activities that admittedly were lawful and authorized (in this case by either the secretary of defense or the deputy secretary of defense) could nevertheless be characterized as ‘inappropriate.’ ”
The Feith operation dates to shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, when the Pentagon established a small team of civilians to sift through existing intelligence with the aim of finding possible links between terror networks and governments. Bush administration officials contended that intelligence agencies were ignoring reports of collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
By the summer of 2002, the group, whose membership evolved over time, was aimed at identifying links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s government in Iraq.
The inspector general’s report criticizes a July 25, 2002, memo, written by an intelligence analyst detailed to Mr. Feith’s office, titled, “Iraq and al-Qaida: Making the Case.”
The memo said that, while “some analysts have argued” that Osama bin Laden would not cooperate with secular Arab entities like Iraq, “reporting indicates otherwise.”
The inspector general concluded that the memo constituted an “alternative intelligence assessment” from that given by the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies and that it led to a briefing on links between Al Qaeda and Iraq that was given to senior Bush administration officials in August 2002, according to excerpts of the draft inspector general report quoted by Mr. Edelman.... (emphasis mine)
Two points here. One, the OSP may have been operating with the imprimatur of Vice President Dick Cheney, then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and then Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. But, last I checked, the President of the United States was using their skewed intel to not only "evaluate" information in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, but also to sell this festering, chaotic mess to the American public.
So the President is either (a) just as responsible and as much of a promoter of lies as everyone else with their fingers in the OSP pie or (b) an easily led moron who does whatever Dick and Rummy tell him is the right thing to do, regardless of the basis or lack thereof in reality and truth. You choose.
Second, and this is the point which gives me the most pleasure in the whole article: the Dick Cheney/David Addington/neocon unilateral executive theory of Presidential superiority wherein the laws are declared to be for the little people? Well, ooops, guess that's not so true. The National Security Act of 1947 is a long and detailed set of requirements for the operation of any and all intelligence activities within the United States government. It was put together after WWII by the Truman Administration and the Congress as the foundation for the CIA and other intelligence agencies, specifically to ensure certain ground rules and uniformity, and to expressly provide for Congressional oversight of any and all of the vast power of intelligence gathering that the Executive Branch might deem necessary for national security purposes.
Guess which group did not bother the follow the law and failed to do proper notification to the Intel committees in Congress? Say hello to Mr. Oversight and Ms. Accountability. And let the sun shine in...because it is way past time for a whole lot of festering secrets from the George, Dick and Rummy Intel Chop Shop to be dragged out into the open.
In case you were wondering, this is one of the many reasons we worked so hard to get Democrats elected last Fall. Congressional oversight and checks and balances -- it's a beautiful thing.
And while we're all asking questions, let's throw this one out there: how do we know that all the intel that is being thrown around regarding Iran isn't coming from yet another one of these cobbled together, secret, intel chop shops within the bowels of the Pentagon or the Vice President's office? Hmmmm? Isn't it about time we all started asking the hard questions of this Administration and requiring that they provide proof of each and every claim they make?
Ultimately, every national security matter these days comes down to the following: do you trust George Bush's judgment to make the right decision based on complete, honest, and real information? Because for me, that answer is decidedly: no. How about you?
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Fitz!
Christy!
That’s the whole point. They no longer care what is ‘illegal’ since they feel their actions are above the law.
The OSP debacle underlines why we need to have accountability and that having one party rule this country is very dangerous to every American.
EPU-d on last thread:
From the Wonderful Folks Who Brought You Iraq
The same neocon ideologues behind the Iraq war have been using the same tactics—alliances with shady exiles, dubious intelligence on W.M.D.—to push for the bombing of Iran. As President Bush ups the pressure on Tehran, is he planning to double his Middle East bet?
http://www.vanityfair.com/poli.....ntPage=all
QUICK!!! New shiny thingy over here!!!
Some “serial numbers and shell markings.” “Pretty good evidence.” Sufficient for, say, attacking.
_
Thanks, scarecrow and Christy for your excellent posts this a.m. Your work is SO important - and it gives me hope that if my young son is drafted in five years, that the war he fights will have been openly debated more than this administration has permitted in the past.
Keep up the great work and we’ll keep doing our parts here!
Nan
It’s time for some of these bastards to pay for all the lives they’ve destroyed and the world chaos they caused. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Feith should be prosecuted!!!!!!
“So the President is either (a) just as responsible and as much of a promoter of lies as everyone else with their fingers in the OSP pie or (b) an easily led moron who does whatever Dick and Rummy tell him is the right thing to do, regardless of the basis or lack thereof in reality and truth. You choose.”
Well, this just isn’t fair at all..
Can’t we choose both?
But with the second option as the first choice, and the second option as a logical conclusion.
Here’s the complete sentence, and it sums it all up.
“The President is an easily led moron who did whatever Dick and Rummy told him to do, so he is just as responsible and as much a promoter of the lies as any of them.”
How’s that for concision?
Wow. Great post, Christy!
And nice one-two punch from WaPo and NYT today, no? Will be interesting to see how much this story gets reflected in the selection of talking heads this weekend.
Yep, they’re pushing to attack Iran. Apparently they think all those countries are alike, and Iran is as easy to push over as Iraq.
Gates: U.S. Can Prove Iran’s Iraq Role
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
6:03 AM PST, February 9, 2007
SEVILLE, Spain — Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in Iraq provide “pretty good” evidence that Iran is providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.
Offering some of the first public details of evidence the military has collected, Gates said, “I think there’s some serial numbers, there may be some markings on some of the projectile fragments that we found,” that point to Iran.
At the same time, however, he said he was somewhat surprised that recent raids by coalition and Iraqi forces in Iraq swept up some Iranians.
I didn’t know serial numbers identified the country they were shipped from, or when they were imported. The whole thing looks like ‘bright silver thong’.
“So the President is either (a) just as responsible and as much of a promoter of lies as everyone else with their fingers in the OSP pie or (b) an easily led moron who does whatever Dick and Rummy tell him is the right thing to do, regardless of the basis or lack thereof in reality and truth. You choose.”
Well, this just isn’t fair at all..
Can’t we choose both?
But with the second option as the first choice, and the first option as a logical conclusion.
Here’s the complete sentence, and it sums it all up.
“The President is an easily led moron who did whatever Dick and Rummy told him to do, so he is just as responsible and as much a promoter of the lies as any of them.”
How’s that for concision?
Morning Christy.
Here’s Joe Conason in Salon, on another one of Bush Administration authoritarian moves to expand executive power for partisan purposes:
Last year, there was an excellent profile of Douglas Feith in the New Yorker, by Jeffrey Goldberg, the same person who wrote the recent “Lorax” profile of Joe Lieberman.
I highly recommend it - a very interesting, and timely, read.
Here’s a link to the Douglas Feith profile:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/.....509fa_fact
Oh boy, Pat Robertson just got a woody.
This place is the flashpoint for all of the fundies, Christian, Jewish, Muslim.
-GSD
There are a few hundred other questions, like
a) do you trust a president who has shown no interest in finding “complete, honest & real information” on which to base his decisions;
b) do you trust an Administration which will do ANYTHING, including a litany of illegal and even treasonous activities, to achieve their goals;
c)and so on.
But the most important question is:
what are you doing, each and every day, to end this rape of our country, this robbing of our treasury, and this murder of our young?
…the effort to identify links between Saddam Hussein’s government and Al Qaeda was done at the direction of Mr. Wolfowitz
As well as the effort to identify links between personal hygiene and a mouthful of head lice.
Gates at it again is he? The guy who made his bones by screwing up intelligence for political purposes is at it again. Says he has evidence- so WHERE THE FUCK IS IT? What are the markings? Let’s see the photos- let’s see the serial numbers- why wouldn’t he be parading em all over the place? Got the evidence from Israel or what?
“Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in Iraq provide “pretty good” evidence that Iran is providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.”
Is it a fact that most of the IED’s are made from mortar rounds WE sold the Iraqis? And how much of it came from the enormous ammo dump our first troops found, ignored and lost completely on their joyride to Bagdad?
I would guess there’s been more than one case of American serial numbers showing up after an explosion, but that doesn’t mean we should go to war with Texas.
Do we punish the entire Iranian population for their rogue elements? Just like we did in Iraq?
A quick OT re the real player links at capitolhearings.org: if you get an error message saying can’t open because rtsp protocol is not recognized, or similar (I’m using firefox), open Real Player, click tools–> preferences–>content–> media types–>click manually configure and hit select–> scroll to other media, check real time streaming protocol, then click OK. Should be good to go (may have to restart browser).
I noticed some people last thread had some trouble, me too.
Nice work, Christy, you and Scarecrow ham-and-egg it so nicely.
Mr.JJ — isn’t that Vanity Fair article by Craig Unger great!! Timely, too. Thanks for posting the link.
BTW, CHS, there already is a group like OSP and WHIG working on Iran…but I am now so oversaturated in scandal overload that I can’t think of the name.
And Rendon Group, Lincoln Group and SyColeman are still plugging away at the stuff the former OSI was supposed to handle, supporting the OSP. They may well be the source of the so-called intel we see on Iran.
Here’s my favorite part of the New Yorker profile of Douglas Feith:
“One day, I asked Feith to describe the importance to him of Lincoln. He admires Lincoln, he said, for many reasons, but in particular for the stalwart way that Lincoln confronted evil. When I suggested that Feith might also admire Lincoln because Lincoln shifted the rationale for his war in the middle of the fighting, Feith replied, with enthusiasm, “I never thought of that. That’s right.”
[snip]
The next morning, Feith telephoned. He had evidently been thinking about his answer, because he had searched out a better one. He found it in an article by Nicholas Lemann, published in this magazine shortly before the beginning of the war, in which Feith was quoted as saying: “When you can think that if we do things right, and if we help the Iraqis, and if the Iraqis show an ability to create a humane representative government for themselves—will that have beneficial spillover effects on the politics of the whole region? The answer, I think, is yes.”
He read this to me and added, “I must say, I’m damn proud of that sentence. That was right on the nose.”
Feith, though, had left out part of what he told Lemann. “Would anybody be thinking about using military power in Iraq in order to do a political experiment in Iraq in the hope that it would have positive political spillover effects throughout the region?” he asked Lemann. “The answer is no.” He continued: “What we would be using military power for, if we have to, would be the goals the President has talked about, particularly the elimination of the chemical and biological weapons, and preventing Iraq from getting nuclear weapons.”
I pick (b.) easily led moron. One caveat - Dubya’s innate child-like fascination with destruction and needy ego/Napoleon Complex make him an easy mark for Cheney, Rummy, Rove, Scooter, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz and the other higher-minded evil geniuses.
ccmask @ 3
So which governmental office or house do you want to give the Republiscams when a Democrat (hopefully, Gore) is elected President? My point is, be careful what you wish for. OTOH, I’m with you. I just can’t decide which house to give up…although I know it won’t be the WH.
“Do we punish the entire Iranian population for their rogue elements? Just like we did in Iraq?”
…like some kind of clumsy, blind giant, swatting at fleas with a baseball bat, and breaking our own bones in the process.
The circle closes. We still need to go back to the 16 words about the uranium in the SOTU. Bush practices the speech perhaps hundreds of times prior to the delivery. Therefore he read the 16 words over and over again. There are only 2 possibilities, 1) He never saw them before or 2) He knew all about them. This then begs these questions: If he didn’t know about them, and didn’t ask about them, and delivered them without any knowledge of them then he has no business taking us into war because he doesn’t know enough. Conversely, if he didn’t know about them and asked about them, and he was told the truth, then he is a liar and mass murderer. If he asked about them and was lied to, then he had no business taking us into war because he had a rogue staff and he is incompetent by virtue of the fact they were his people. And finally, if he knew about the 16 words and thought they were true, or knew they were false, the above still applies. In either event he failed as a leader and may have likely committed treason. The significance of the OSP and the 16 words, and the Libby trial is the reinforcing of the likelihood that the President is a criminal and has committed treason and by extension crimes against humanity. We should keep this in mind. We have elected evil into the most powerful position in the world. It is a blueprint for the Anti-Christs’ ascendency.
I was always curious why Bush has never shown up at any funeral of the soldiers he has had sacrificed. Could it be that somewhere in that small brain there is actually a conscience that feels a small amount of guilt because of all the lies?
Bad
Conscience? Naw- I’d look for another explanation- his black suit is at the cleaners.
I know we got Libby, lets hope we can only continue these trials with Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliot Abrams, Dov Zakheim, David Wurmser, Donald Rumsfeld and many others, to expose the real crime of the century. These men intentionally mislead a paranoid White House that Iraq, not al Qaeda, was the main threat to the US. This group pushed our country to war, not to protect the American people from terrorism, but to be an active participant in a dream for a greater Israel. When this war in Iraq is done, over a million Iraqis will have perished, thousands of Americans will be dead with tens of thousands more wounded, lets pray that justice will be served to these traitors.
It’s the 1930’s all over again. This time, let’s stop these people. Where is Congress? Why aren’t they taking real action. It is impossible that they are all complicit or would want the type of outcome toward which we are heading. What can we do as citizens that would have real impact to ensure accountability before it is too late. While it is all so frightening and depressing, we can’t take this lying down. We are fighting them here.
Well now, The neocons have been soooo busy dickin’ the country around, and NOW, they are going to be busy covering their asses from all the oversight.It’s like kicking an ants nest.And yes, Virginia, there is an oversight committee.And, yes, Virginia, it was illegal activity.
P J Evans @ 11
Funny,
Iran couldn’t smuggle a bb gun into Iraq until we invaded it…
Is it shock and awe time in good old Persia? Don’tcha just love the smell of blood and cordite in the morning? Clusterfuck does- men’s cologne!!
EPU’d below…
So-o-o-o, according to Feith, ’twas just a “criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community,” perhaps “inappropriate” but certainly, heaven forbid, “not unlawful”!?!
… and we are to believe our “Commander in Chief” simply kept pedaling his little bike, totally oblivious to everything, other than pride in his low heart rate…
Two words. No, make that three, or seven:
Incompetence
Treason
High Crimes and Misdemeanors
Impeachment
Levin just said in the Armed Services hearing that any shortfalls in previous investigation will be “made up for in this committee.” Go Team Levin :) Hearing is really heating up…
Here’s Cheney on June 17, 2004:
Propelled by the momentum generated from all the dirty little secrets falling out on the floor at the Scooter Libby trial, Firedoglake moves forward on related fronts where heretofore BushCo stonewalling has kept the country in the dark about its corrupt and sometimes criminal machinations…
Murtha just smacked Rep. Frelinghuyser for asking leading questions at the army supplemental spending meeting. Rep. Frelinghuysen asked Schoomaker what he thought about the “surge”.
It’s great having dems in charge.
How about (c) both? I don’t see anything in Article II that exempts the President from accountability for either the actions of his subordinates or for his abuse of information they provide on the grounds of abject stupidity. Besides, Bush may be stupid, but it’s a mean kind of stupid.
Clusterfuck was so fuckin proud of his “shock and awe” experience- death rainin down from the sky- half the fuckin country blown ta rubble in a matter of days..
Nice goin Clusterfuck!! Ya really SHOWED em- and then three days later ya started spending american money to rebuild all the shit ya blew ta hell- but yer rich fuckin campaign contributors were more interested in takin taxpayer cash than in building anything in Iraq- so ya just gave em the money for doin nothin.
What a worthless worm you are Clusterfuck!!
Cupcake @ 8
I certainly believe I’ve seen enough to constitute high crimes and misdemeanors from virtually every single high official in this administration. An if incompetence was a high crime or misdemeanor, it would go alot farther. Now if only our newly elected Democratic majority would also see them for what they are, maybe we could get the government we truly deserve, because I don’t believe we’ve achieved that yet.
One of the reasons the US reportedly snubbed overtures from Iran in 2003 was that their intelligence told them Iran was on the brink of collapse and revolution.
They gotta stop listening to Ledeen, his sources are the Persian versions Johnny Knoxville and Kevin Federline.
-GSD
Rummy and Darth Cheney are veterans of the “If the President does it, it is not illegal” Nixon Cabal. They are just running the same game. This time they have Charlie McCarthy (is the reference too old?) instead of Tricky Dick.
Clusterfuck should be serving a life sentence in Sing Sing—3,000 american troops died for his lies.
JEP @ 25
That’s a good one. That’s us - one nation under Bush since the year 2000. Budw*iser Nation.
I think they have Mortimer Snerd!
And here’s Bush in September 17, 2003:
Damn, I wish I’d have thought of Mortimer first! Good one!
Here’s Seymour Hersh on the stovepiped intelligence apparatus in the adminstration from October, 2003:
http://www.newyorker.com/print.....027fa_fact
And here’s James Risen’s NYT article on Feith’s intel work from April, 2004:
http://www.commondreams.org/he.....428-07.htm
joel @ 29 I know we got Libby, lets hope we can only continue these trials with Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliot Abrams, Dov Zakheim, David Wurmser, Donald Rumsfeld and many others, to expose the real crime of the century. These men intentionally mislead a paranoid White House that Iraq, not al Qaeda, was the main threat to the US. This group pushed our country to war, not to protect the American people from terrorism, but to be an active participant in a dream for a greater Israel. When this war in Iraq is done, over a million Iraqis will have perished, thousands of Americans will be dead with tens of thousands more wounded, lets pray that justice will be served to these traitors [and war criminals].”
G.W. Clusterfuck has managed to lose even the British Conservative Party with his ham-fisted knucklehead moves.
We’re down to Israel, lame dick Tony Blair, and the Marianas Islands for allies.
Nice work.
Seems they don’t like getting lied to and stonewalled about a friendly fire incident…..what uppity jerks those Brits are.
-GSD
It’s past all understanding why years ago these people were not run out of town on a rail. The Democrats should have been screaming “Impeachment” as soon as it was known we went into Iraq based on total fabrications. And still they dither, and dither, and dither. Why?
Gosh, you mean the “Coalition of the Bribed” is falling apart, GSD?
OT - Obama’s Presidential announcement tomorrow @ 11AM eastern
Badwater @ 27
The president does not attend funerals for the same reason he does not allow coffins returning to the United States shown. He’d rather hide the death that he has caused.
it will be a beutifull thing when people start being held to account
for instance, why is rumsfeld STILL in the pentagon, palosi KNOWS he’s there and he should have been tossed out IMMEDIATELY
these hearings are great but it will be beutifull when something happens with the results
As super-rich folks go, Jay Rockefeller seems like a genuinely sweet guy. And I like his wife. But I’m skeptical about any investigation of OSP he might lead. We’ll see . . .
You know what is beautiful?
That the Bush administrations efforts to cover up their failed intelligence with revenge tactics against Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame have resulted in multiple investigations, both legal and journalistic, aimed directly into the heart of the lies that they told.
Ironically, the attempt at achieving a coverup through a revenge exposure of a CIA agent became a red-flag that will draw ever increasing scrutiny from the press, the congress, the courts, and last but not least, the progressive blogosphere to the very issue that the administration sought to hide.
Ann in AZ @ 24
For the next 20 years, none to the Republicans. But the Dems weren’t angels in this mess either. I’m also with you :))
Republicans were bitching about how much money a plane for Speaker Pelosi would cost.
How much money is Donald Scumsfeld still getting?
-GSD
The “Conspiracy Theory” of 9/11 and all of the events that have followed are not necessarily theories. We have to have real investigations and prosecute accordingly, and we have to do it now. In light of where we are today and the motivations of those who are leading us down this self-destructive path; the possibility that 9/11 was the planned enabling event is real. It is unthinkable that members of our government would participate in planning events that involve the premeditated sacrifice of our citizens (one has only to look at the Iraq pre-war intelligence that they’ve already done exactly that) but consider that the actions of the German government were unthinkable to the citizens of Germany and the world as well. Humans are capable of these kinds of actions. Let’s not hide our heads in the sand and allow history to repeat itself. Allowing a build-up of taxpayer funded, contractual private mercenary soldiers such as (Blackwater), is asking for a situation in the future where those entities could be paid to turn on the American citizens themselves. Not only is Iraq in a dire situation, America is in a dire situation. IMHO
rwcole @ 44
I wonder if the administration who added “aggressive interrogating” to suspects would mind submitting to those questioning techniques
Goopers must wander for forty years in the desert to purify their souls so that they can re enter the Holy Land where the milk and honey flow.
Sen. Roberts was oh-so-smart in delaying the investigation of the Feith group until after the Nov 06 election. But this plan is backfiring, because the unthinkable happened and the Democrats took control of the Senate. Now Sen. Levin will ensure that the matter gets taken seriously. Ooops!
If the Republicans had only done one of their CYA not-even-half-assed investigations when they were in control of the entire government, they may have kept this fiasco buried.
BTW, isn’t a blatant and ongoing violation of the Nat Sec Act of 1947, in a way that has had disasterous consequences for the country, an impeachable act? You’d think so.
NPR
Libby’s Defense to Begin Monday
by Nina Totenberg
LINK
And here’s Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, on the IG Report:
Goopers have milk and honey runnin all over their faces- up their noses- out their ears..
The Milk and Honey crowd—they got their NOSES caught in the trough.
If you want to attend a soldier’s funeral, go here for the “Bitterfruit” essay. Beautifully done. In November 2003, Fusco began his essay on the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq and traveled to 27 different cities. At the lionk, you will hear “Taps” and the next page hit play. Highly worthwhile photographic essay. While you are there, check out the Katrina one.
http://inmotion.magnumphotos.c.....fruit.aspx
Neil at 65: Seriously, is the Libby Trial ever off topic?
Let’s see, Operation Mesopotamian Shitstorm hasn’t started yet and yet we have:
*6 helicopters downed in 20 days.
*US troop death rates of 4 a day.
*US friendly fire killing 5 Kurdish Peshmerga in northern Iraq.
God help the US troops and the Iraqi civilians.
-GSD
Libby’s defense
Now the judge says that my client can’t claim that he forgot unless he gives up his constitutional right to keep his fuckin mouth shut- so I’m gonna defend him here-
“Now I ain’t sayin that he FORGOT- but LOOK at him- he’s stupid as a bowling ball on a saturday night in Gun Barrel City, Texas!! How’s a guy like that gonna keep all this shit straight?”
Badwater @ 27
Nope. The one and only reason is that Bush doesn’t do consequences. That’s pretty much the running theme of his entire life.
Doesn’t “Surge” sound like it ought to be a cola or an energy drink?
As always with the Bush administration, it’s important to remember that evil vs. incompetent is not an either-or questions.
Clusterfuck’s gonna hire a replica ta go ta Iraq and lead the charge- wearing the presidential battle crown::
“Surge you fuckers- SURGE!”
JPL @ 55
And specifically, because it would be bad for him politically. He doesn’t feel a twinge of guilt because he doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
NCBlueneck @ 73
Surge
Biodun @ 36
Here’s Cheney again:
“I have not suggested there’s a connection between Iraq and 9/11.”
Dick Cheney
October 5, 2004
Vice Presidential Debate
Cleveland, Ohio
Welcome to the Office of Special Plans, Firedoglake/dKos Division. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, help ensure that your elected representatives insist that any and all talking points, memes, demagoguery and pontification regarding Iranian support for Iraqi “insurgents” or “terrorists” are supported by reliable intelligence and verifiable evidence.
As always, if you are caught or criticized, your fellow posters and commenters will have your back.
“New Surge! Now fortified with miracle ZR7!”
Welcome to the Office of Special Plans, Firedoglake/dKos Division. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is help ensure that your elected representatives insist that any and all talking points, memes, demagoguery and pontification regarding Iranian support for Iraqi “insurgents” or “terrorists” are supported by reliable intelligence and verifiable evidence.
As always, if you are caught or criticized, your fellow posters and commenters will have your back.
Welcome to the Office of Special Plans, Firedoglake/dKos Division. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to help ensure that your elected representatives insist that any and all talking points, memes, demagoguery and pontification regarding Iranian support for Iraqi “insurgents” or “terrorists” are supported by reliable intelligence and verifiable evidence.
As always, if you are caught or criticized, your fellow posters and commenters will have your back.
BobbyG @ 6
Webb was on Ed Schultz a couple of days ago and compared the situation with Iran and the Iraq war to China and the Korean war. He pointed out that every weapon that was used against us in Korea came from China, it was a war fought on their border, they had nuclear weapons and were arguably a “rogue state,” and we still negotiated with them.
Let us all resolve to keep the spirit of Fitzmas in our hearts every day of the year!
From the Wonderful Folks Who Brought You Iraq
snip
By now, the story of how neoconservatives hijacked American foreign policy is a familiar one. With Vice President Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld leading the way, neocons working out of the office of the vice president and the Department of Defense orchestrated a spectacular disinformation operation, asserting that Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction posed a grave and immediate threat to the U.S. Veteran analysts who disagreed were circumvented. Dubious information from known fabricators was hyped. Forged documents showing phony yellowcake-uranium sales to Iraq were promoted…
http://www.vanityfair.com/poli.....ntPage=all
I am sorry for the triple post. I was trying to correct typos and grammatical errors, but instead just kept posting edited dupes. How does one actually edit an already posted comment?
“provide proof of each and every claim they make?”
Like you said not long ago Christy, with this bunch they need to show us the PROOF > of the PROOF > of the provided proof of each and every claim they make.
Even then, even if in triplicate from triplicate sources, anything they produce are suspect.
These last two threads have reminded me once again we need a FDL Wiki to keep it all straight.
probably reported here already, but if not, this comes from raw story
WASHINGTON (CNN) — I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s lawyers are debating whether to call Libby’s former boss, Vice President Dick Cheney, to the stand, a source with knowledge of the lawyers’ discussions told CNN on Thursday.
Some in the defense team believe the prosecutor’s presentation has been strong and persuasive and therefore would open both Cheney and Libby up to a grilling when they were cross-examined, which would not help sway the jury, the source with knowledge of the discussions said.
in other words, cheney could only help put libby deeper in trouble, and himself at the same time
in addition, the entire notion might have been nothing more then a shiney object…a method to get the fitz team to expend it’s limited resources preparing for a cheney cross when he wouldn’t even be called
in any event, cheney probably by now realizes he is a pariah and any appearance from him can only hurt
litigatormom @ 86
If you’re using IE, you’ll find that the edit feature doesn’t work. Better to use previews and spell checks so the errors don’t get into the post the first time.
EvilDrPuma at 89 — Actually, I’m using IE and the edit function works fine for me. Just FYI.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 90
I see. So it’s just me that Bill Gates has it in for. I’ve been wondering.
OT–Meanwhile, the US Army criticizes the show “24″:
Joe Klein(I know, I know) with an ally oop. Hagel infers that Traitor Joe Lieberman is in the words of Daffy Duck, DITH-PICABLE:
In the initial debate on Iraq war resolutions last week, Lieberman was at it again. The notably mild Warner-Levin resolution of disapproval would “discourage our troops and hearten our enemies,” he said. A day later, I asked Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska about politicians–not Lieberman specifically–who made such statements. “They’re despicable,” he said, in a decidedly unsenatorial tone. “Those sorts of statements are the last refuge of a scoundrel. They suggest a lack of patriotism on the part of people like me and John Warner and Carl Levin. They hurt our democracy.”
Why is Joe Lieberman hurting our democracy?
-GSD
Biodun @ 36
well, to be fair, there clearly was a relationship
the relationship was as so;
they were enemies
and his statement that the evidence was overwhelming is true also
the evidence was overwhelming that alqaeda and saddam were enemies
so what’s the problem with what he said?
And to think these goobers were supposed to “…bring back honor and integrity to the White House.” What a hoot! “The grown-ups are in charge.” ROTFLOL…
NCBlueneck @ 95
Yeah, right. They brought it back with the rest of the loot and put it in Cheney’s safe. Never to be seen again.
OT: Republican state senator feeds the trolls…film at eleven.
Dumbass.
litigatormom @
86
No apology needed. We are aware that sometimes the “edit comment” function does not completely close and hence, a new comment repeats in the earlier comment’s place.
It is a glitch we are working on. Sorry for the problem and remember…preview is your friend.
P J Evans @ 11
The additional point to get our reps to push on is to demand an answer to which militants they think Iran is arming. One of the many “big lies” in this spin is that the Iranians are arming militants who are fighting against US forces (and in an even bigger lie, conflating them with al-Qaeda.)
The SCIRI is one of the most powerful parties in the Iraqi government; it’s leaders spent their exile during Saddam’s rule in Tehran, it’s militia, the Badr Corps, was created and trained there. They are believed to be one of the major groups involved in anti-Sunni death squads and ethnic cleansing, as well as a significant portion of the Iraqi police and military.
So the question is, are the militants that are allegedly being armed by Iran loyal to the man who was invited to the White House last year? And if so, how is that possibly grounds for war?
Light should also be shined on the activities of Abram “Abe” Shulsky, who formerly headed the OSP. He is now reportedly involved in a Pentagon organization called the Iranian Directorate or Iran Desk, which functions very much like the OSP. In fact, at least two former OSP workers, Ladan Archin and John Trigilio, followed him over to the Iran Desk. Shulsky was heavily involved in the cooked intel that the OSP passed, and it doesn’t take a vivid imagination to see how he could be doing the same with Iran.
I realize that the Democrats only took over control of the Congress last month, but Doug Feith, the OSP, and the cooking of intelligence on Iraq have been known for years.
While I applaud the efforts of Democrats to shine some official light on all this, I can’t forget the silence and inaction of many of these same Democrats (nor the criminal collusion of most Republicans) right up to the November elections. The Military Commissions Act trashing habeas corpus, condoning torture, and promoting kangaroo courts was passed with Democrats sitting on their thumbs only about 5 weeks before those elections.
There were no guerilla hearings, demonstrations, or opposition party to speak of for nearly 6 years of the Bush Administration, probably the worse in our history.
It’s nice that Democratic leaders are beginning to speak up. What took them so long?
Time for “BigTime” to retreat to his infamous “undisclosed location” and pull the sewer plate in over it.
… Until we find it and drag him outtathere, all bedraggled and bearded, to be shipped off to The Hague.
Methinx that the sockpuppet-in-chief should also go along for the ride.
Yep, Edit works for me in IE also. Sometimes it takes a minute or two for my comment to load into the text box that I want to edit (kinda like Refresh Comments does at peak times).
Please note that if you refresh the whole page by F5 or full reload first before trying to edit (or navigate away from the page) it cancels out the editing ability regardless if it’s before the 5 minute editing time limit is up.
“Refresh Comments” feature on the other hand does not affect it, you can still edit before the 5 minutes. Hope this helps.
Hope Clusterfuck’s next war is better than the first two..
He must long for a war where death rains from the sky for days- where enemy aircraft are shot from the sky by brave american pilots- where the infantry wheels into formation among the tanks and where the enemy is valiently overcome by couragous american soldiers weilding death with weapons made in Connecticut at very good profit margins..
That’s the kind of war Clusterfuck wants to be remembered for!!
Shock and Awe—SURGE you fuckers SURGE!!!
“A top U.S. general in Iraq said Tuesday that Iran is supplying Iraqi militias with weapons, including Katyusha rockets and rocket-propelled grenades, USA Today reported.
Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno told the newspaper that the military could trace some weapons back to Iran by their serial numbers.”
I’ve got some real big problems with these statements.
Am I to believe that there is some big international registry database for all rocket-propelled grenades? And rogue states and terrorists all make sure their weaponry is duly listed?
Katyusha rockets, after the fall of the Soviet Union, traded on the black market. Black marketeers made sure that the arms registry was up to date?
This smacks of the forged documents the Bush administration tried to use to bolster the claim Saddam tried to buy yellowcake from Niger.
Don’t rockets and grenades blow up? How would they get a serial number? I admit I am no expert on this but, it’s all too convenient. I don’t trust this vipers nest to tell us the truth. Their track record is abysmal. All I know for sure is they can be trusted to lie. Over and over and over again.
America was sent into this war specifically to lose. This represents the highest form of Treason you could fathom. Rumsfeld threatened to fire any General who put any effort into the planning for the rebuilding of Iraq. Paul Bremmer was sent into Iraq with one purpose. To lay the groundwork for chaos and to squander the monies set aside for law, order and reconstruction. Mission accomplished.
American troops are in Iraq for one reason. To die there. Not just some of them, but all of them. There is no exit - and this is by design. They are trapped there.
America is literally being destroyed from within. The only way to get American Jews to leave America in order to populate “Eretz Israel” is to make this country so awful that they are left with no other choice. Dov Zakheim stole $7 trillion from the DOD and sent it to Israel prior to 9/11. Our Treasury has been looted and our country is bankrupt. Our borders are unprotected and we have no National Guard.
All of our military and all of our national guard are being sacrificed for this agenda.
All of our “leaders” are in the employ of David Rockefeller to fulfill this agenda. They are all either bribed, blackmailed or both.
Read the PNAC. This is Rockefeller’s creation. Assigning Senator Rockefeller to investigate? Give me a break.
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
Biodun @
36
Subpoena William Safire. He flogged the Atta canard, and quoted “Kurdish sources” linking AQ to Saddam as early as 9/24/01.
Subpoena Conrad Black. His paper (at the time), the Daily Telegraph, wrote a day earlier on the 23rd, “The CIA is understood to have evidence that Mohammed Atta, one of the suicide bombers, met an Iraqi intelligence officer earlier this year in Prague.”
Conrad Black is currently under indictment for fraud in charges filed by none other than — Patrick Fitzgerald. And the trial date — March 2007!
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Conrad Black charged with 8 counts of fraud
Last Updated: Thursday, November 17, 2005 | 8:48 PM ET
CBC News
Former media baron Conrad Black has been charged with eight counts of mail fraud and wire fraud for allegedly looting millions of dollars from Hollinger International, the publishing company he used to head.
In an 11-count indictment unsealed Thursday, the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Chicago accused Black and three other former executives of Hollinger International of diverting money that should have gone to the company and its shareholders.
[snip]
“Insiders at Hollinger – all the way to the top of the corporate ladder – whose job it was to safeguard the shareholders, made it their job to steal and conceal,” U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said in a statement.
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I think it’s fascinating that the DoD IG’s main bullet point is that the OSP was legal. Their opening salvo confers legitimacy on the counterpoint, that it was illegal.
Here’s David Corn’s synopsis on AQ-Saddam fictions
http://www.thenation.com/blogs.....s?pid=1280
Oh good gravy, Francis Harvey, Army Secretary, on CSPAN now, is claiming “we don’t have 100,000 contractors” in Iraq. He’s extrapolating based on the ratio of 3 solidiers to 1 contractor. Jeepers, if we only have 130,000 soldiers there, we can’t possibly have 100,000 contractors, right?
Stone stupid. And they’re giving Marcy Kaptur crap because she’s asking for numbers…treating her like a dumb girl. She says she’s heard Aegis, a foreign contractor, has 20,000 people alone in Iraq and nobody will tell her who signed the contract with Aegis.
Halliburton et al may be less than 100,000…but who have they subcontracted to, and how many sub-subcontractors are there under that? Good God, is this any way to run a war?
Biodun @ 92
Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning!
rwcole @ 104
That’s what he’s down to for legacy-making? “Let’s go for best one out of three?”
I do not want to be an apologist for the Democrats pre-November, but I think much of what was passed in Congress did not have full hearings with Democrats having any say, and things were put into bills at the last minute as well. The bills were not fully vetted, there was no time, before they were passed. And you know the Repugs would have used any vote “against the best interest of the US” in the campaigns.
Just sayin’.
NC–Yes- those are the questions that some reporter may eventually think to ask the Liar of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.. Hand picked for his–ahem–patriotism.
Let’s keep our eyes focused on the 1947 National Security Act Rocky is talking about, because that’s where the meat of this issue will be. The Act established the National Security Council, headed by a National Security Advisor who serves as the principle Presidential National Security officer.
The whole point of the NSC and its head is to integrate all intelligence and analysis for use by the President, and at the same time, to be the conduit through which intelligence producing agencies are tasked.
The act says nothing about a parallel NSC under the control of the Vice President, nor does it provide for the VP to have any staff.
What the 1947 act did contemplate, and over time it happened, was that the departments and agencies doing intelligence work would increase, and become more specialized as they developed technologies, unique methods and tradecraft. For instance, when NSC was first formed, spying by electronic means was mostly in the Army Signal Corps and the Navy — but over time, those functions were collected in the NSA (National Security Agency) and it became a specialized intelligence agency, and yes, with military technicians frequently detailed to it. — Likewise, what was overhead intelligence in 1947 — (essentially a fancy movie camera in the belly of a B-24) over time became the whole Satellite System, but only after it evolved through U-2’s and Blackbirds. Today that is the NRO, National Reconnisiance Organization. All of this was contemplated in 1947 — and the need for putting in place a framework, directly controlled by the President but serving the many customers for intelligence in the Government, was anticipated by the act.
As I see it, the real failure in the Bush Administration was Condi’s. For whatever reason, she did not take control of the NSC and make it work according to law and in Bush’s interests. I realize she is probably a weak willow — but the point is she assumed the title, and then let Cheney and his set, and Rummy and his set, play their games with what should have been her’s to control. And, it would have been Bush’s fault, not to have seen the problem, and tasked Condi to do her job.
Rocky is, I think, on point to discover much about the parallel government answerable to Cheney — and his tool is the 1947 act as it has been amended over time, as it spells out with much precision the formal organization of the US intelligence assets. He needs to be spurred on in his mission.
Should Bush have been concerned after 9/11 about intelligence failures vis a vis al Qaeda, or course. Did he need a secret OSP in the Pentagon? no — he needed a NSC task-force in the White House that could have thoroughly scrubbed each and every agency and department and made heads roll. (I think that would be the Harvard Business School approach actually).
So we need to ask, why it didn’t happen this way, and what does all the little tucked away, off-line privatized secret organizations really say about Bush?
And then we need to frame this for our Presidential Candidates. At the least we could ask them if the 1947 Intelligence Organizational framework means anything to them, how do they critique Bush and Cheney, and perhaps how they would go about change.
EvilDrPuma @ 91
No, I use IE and it doesn’t work for me either.
Puma–Yeah one out of three- and the first two were not just weak efforts- they stunk the place up!!!
The US military under Clusterfuck’s able direction couldn’t even get into the playoffs!! Fans are puttin bags over their heads!!
“Shock and Awe my ASS” read the banners!!
It’s gettin ugly out there- course we all support the troops though.
I hope the Americans realize what an attack against Iran will unleash.
Don’t plan on traveling overseas. Plan on lots and lots of American interests targeted all over the world.
Plan on losing an aircraft carrier and a cruiser or two and thousands of dead naval troops.
Plan on seeing US supply lines in Iraq cut.
Plan on the world economy tanking.
Plan on Russia and China supporting Iran.
Plan on losing friendly allies like Pakistan and Turkey.
Plan on body bags full of dead Americans for a long time to come.
-GSD
*xyz @ 14:
This is from Jeffrey Goldberg’s New Yorker article on Lieberman:
My apologies if someone already posted this downstairs.
EvilDrPuma @ 91
Actually, it’s me too. I think a lot of us who are using IE are having problems with the edit function for some reason. Since Christy says she isn’t, maybe the appropriate question is what version of IE is she using that makes her able to deal with the edit function and you and me not?
Hugh (101) — I’ve had to revisit history a couple of times in the last 24 hours with folks who’re unhappy with the Dems about failing to stop this mess over the last 4 years.
Sen. Levin is one example, voted against the war, has been steadily conducting investigations into this mess and releasing findings…what do you know about what Levin’s done?
The problem is not as simple as Dems not standing up to the neo-con Repugs. It was the co-opting of media as we have seen over the last couple of weeks in the Libby Trial, preventing the average American from knowing how badly they were being jacked around and lied to. Until a critical mass of Americans came to their senses, they couldn’t vote Democrats into a majority to do anything about it. Remember HRC’s comments about the VRWC? She was right, and it’s kept many Americans amply uninformed for far too long; it’s taken us this long to break their hold on the public, Crashing the Gates.
And Dems knew they had to get reelected, both in 2002 and in 2004. We would not have a majority today had not many of the Dems acted as they did. They would have been removed from office in 2004, when Bush’s JAR was still too high for the caliber of work he was doing. And then we’d have no investigations today.
Unfortunately it has also taken an awful lot of blood to get here. For that the Repugs who actively squelched the truth as a majority party with nearly unilateral power should pay.
Did OSP shield the provenance of the Niger Forgeries?
Patrick Fitzgerald wants to know.
Pentagon just delivered another truckload of toy soldiers, tanks, and aircraft to the White House- Clusterfuck likes REAL explosives on his toy bombs
KERBOOOOM!
“Take that you Persian fuckers—”
KERBOOOOM!
Biodun @ 116
Cheers to Goldberg for not making that conversation “off the record.” Jeers to Lieberman for…well, just for being Lieberman.
Sara @
113
snipped
I’m in no way a fan of Condi’s, but when I read this the following crit of hers was pretty good:
According to the long-running Washington newsletter, The Nelson Report, edited by Christopher Nelson, Feith was standing in for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld at a 2003 interagency ‘Principals’ Meeting’ debating the Middle East, and ended his remarks on behalf of the Pentagon. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said, “Thanks Doug, but when we want the Israeli position we’ll invite the ambassador.”
snap
then again,
I hope they all burn in hell for their inappropriate-ness
Since we’re weighing in on IE and the edit comments function:
Yes, I use IE and the edit comments function works for me just fine.
I think calling President Bush an “easily led moron” gives him an unfair pass for his responsibility for the Iraq affair. Bush knows what he wants in Iraq: the oil and the military/industrial contracts for his cronies. Not much moron there in my view, just knowingly positioning himself for a cushy after-president life.
Sara (112) — can you post that comment and any more elaboration you have over at TNH?
We need more cover on this whereever possible, thanks!!
Where is “that Announcer Guy”? “Payback, this time it’s for real!”
Speaking of rummy…
I like how SOTH, in her press conf, called out Donald Rummy still having a desk in whatever hole he dug-out for himself in the government.
Oh yea, but so do Rove and VP one of whom outted a CIA agent. Etc, etc.
These criminals are dug in, I mean one one imagine Cheney was a criminal when he worked for Nixon/Ford and he is still around today.
Worst blunder in VP history? Cheney picking himself to be VP.
So the US was going to shock and awe all those despotic regimes in the middle east into submission.
El-Baradei says middle is is worse than ever.
Nice job Bush, you fucking loser.
-GSD
rwcole @ 120
I doubt very much that Bush knows that “Iran” and “Persia” are geographical synonyms. He probably still looks for a political map of Europe that shows “Holland” and “Dutch.”
BTW, I think BooMan stole my schtick about the criminally, off-their-rockers psychopathically insane freaks that were the OSP…
Good one, BooMan!!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0209.html
how do we know that all the intel that is being thrown around regarding Iran isn’t coming from yet another one of these cobbled together, secret, intel chop shops within the bowels of the Pentagon or the Vice President’s office?
Don’t forget about Larry Franklin, who worked in the Office of Special Plans and was involved in the trafficking of intelligence concerning Iran way back in 2002/2003. What I found most interesting about the Larry Franklin case were these quotes:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl.....94,00.html
He also admitted giving classified information to a political official at the Israeli embassy, but said the information he received from the official was far more valuable than what he gave.
“I knew in my heart that his government had this information,” Franklin said. “He gave me far more information than I gave him.”
EvilDrPuma @ 130
But, at least he knows it’s not part of the “nation of Africa.”
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GW Clusterfuck holdin the football again fer the american people—
“Go ahead- KICK IT–I couldn’t POSSIBLY pull it away again!”
It’s a pretty smart crowd out there, so I’ll ask. If what Feith and OSP did was a violation of the National Security Act, are there sanctions written into the law for violating it? Who has jurisdiction over these matters?
RW Cole,
Let me know the next time you come back up to Portland. I’ll buy the first beer.
BobbyG @ 134
No problem. He’ll just use the Google on the Internets and it will come right down the tubes…
George W. Bush’s decaying America on display in the Wapoo today:
“The lead interrogator at the DIF had given me specific instructions: I was to deprive the detainee of sleep during my 12-hour shift by opening his cell every hour, forcing him to stand in a corner and stripping him of his clothes. Three years later the tables have turned. It is rare that I sleep through the night without a visit from this man. His memory harasses me as I once harassed him.
Despite my best efforts, I cannot ignore the mistakes I made at the interrogation facility in Fallujah. I failed to disobey a meritless order, I failed to protect a prisoner in my custody, and I failed to uphold the standards of human decency. Instead, I intimidated, degraded and humiliated a man who could not defend himself. I compromised my values. I will never forgive myself.”
The shame of a nation.
Now I gotta get back to the TV, there’s breaking news on Ann Nicole Smith. Maybe she is now more dead.
-GSD
JEP sez@19
Now that Molly Ivins doesn’t live there anymore, why not?
Early morning visitors to the Oval Office report seeing the president dressed like Patton- complete with swagger stick and Ivory handled pistols–small remote controlled bombers lay in ruins at the spot of their crash landings..
“It’s quite a scene” said one concerned visitor, hope they clean it up before foreign dignitaries come ta visit”
More from Jeffrey Goldberg’s New Yorker article on Lieberman:
Warning: Lieberman could do some serious damage to Democrats (and the country) between now and 2008.
LMAO.
Busted–You got it—(usually I only get to Salem- but it’s not much further to my city of birth.)
theExile (139) — I say we create a partition around Austin for the liberals in Texas first.
Call it something like the Democratic Republic of Texas. ;-)
The blurb under the picture of the Feith story in the Times states, “…Feith has been accused by critics of the Administration of distorting intelligence data to justify the invasion of Iraq.” “Accused by critics” dilutes the facts. “Critic” is the way Ambassador Wilson is described: “A critic of the Bush Administration.” The right-wing’s hosannahs to Bush are not qualified with “Uncritical supporters of the Administration….”
GSD @ 129
IMHO, the soundbyte that wins is that
as bad as Saddam was, the Middle East and Iraq were better off with Saddam in power.Just because the Secretary or the Deputy secretary “authorized” it, doen’t make it legal. Any more than “authorizing” tham to cheat on their taxes, murder a boy scout, or rob a bank would make it leagl.
BobbyG @ 134
Before he was elected by SCOTUS in 2000, Bush called the people of East Timor (which was in the news at the time) “East Timorians.” He didn’t know that they’re called “East Timorese.”
Biodun @ 141
My admiration for Jeffrey Goldberg will never subside.
Atrios/Froomkin have some nice observations on Russert’s “presumption of off-the-record status”.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/200.....9485569577
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Journamalism
Froomkin:
If you’re a journalist, and a very senior White House official calls you up on the phone, what do you do? Do you try to get the official to address issues of urgent concern so that you can then relate that information to the public?
Not if you’re NBC Washington bureau chief Tim Russert.
When then-vice presidential chief of staff Scooter Libby called Russert on July 10, 2003, to complain that his name was being unfairly bandied about by MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Russert apparently asked him nothing.
And get this: According to Russert’s testimony yesterday at Libby’s trial, when any senior government official calls him, they are presumptively off the record.
That’s not reporting, that’s enabling.
That’s how you treat your friends when you’re having an innocent chat, not the people you’re supposed to be holding accountable.
Indeed. I’ll be generous and say that as much as we’re all horrified by the generally “we’re all friends” attitude of the media and the rest of official Washington, I’ll acknowledge that some of this is inevitable and I don’t think journalists should always be playing “gotcha.” But we’re not talking about assuming stuff is off the record at social events, or something, we’re talking about assuming stuff is off the record, by default, even when it’s clear that Russert is in his role as a journalist.
Journalism ceases to be about bringing truth to the public and becomes official court stenography. Russert only reports what people agree to let him report.
More than that, even when reality contradicts what they tell him he doesn’t feel that this unburdens him of any confidentiality obligations.
By essentially running administration press releases through a guy like Russert, they launders the information and give it the stamp of Truth from a news guy that people inexplicably trust.
Something is broken.
Hugh @ 101
Actually, there were some. John Conyers held at least one, and I remember reading about one other.
Biodun @ 148
Yeah, and he called Greeks “Grecians” and once exhorted “spacial entrepreneurs” to do more private space exploration.
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zig alert!
Re Iran, Secretary Gates was quoted on NPR just today saying he had been surprised at finding Iranians in Iraq and learning about in their involvement in fabricating IEDs there.
It is hard to see this as anything other than part of a disinformation campaign. It is one thing to make a statement based on incomplete or erroneous information once. It is deceptive to keep repeating it once it has been debunked.
It is totally unsurprising to find Iranians in Iraq. They are neighbors and the majorities in both countries are Shia. What is surprising is how few Iranians there are Iraq. The US conducts a huge number of operations and almost never finds an Iranian anywhere. If the Iranians were interacting with Iraqi militias at the tactical level, we would be running into them fairly frequently.
90% or more of attacks on our troops come from the Sunni insurgency who are enemies of the Iranians. The idea that the Iranians are helping them is stupid or intentionally deceptive. Now if you wanted to name a country that is helping the Sunni insurgency at least financially, it’s Saudi Arabia (you know one of our big allies in the war on terror, etc., etc.) In the last couple of weeks several of our helicopters have been shot down. You would be hard pressed to make the case that the Iranians had anything to do with that, but it would be a lot easier to make that case against the Saudis.
Add to this that military sources tend to downplay the reports of Iranian involvement in Iraq and bring into question the evidence that they are. Add also that a combined State and Defense briefing on this has been postponed twice because the evidence has been judged by even the not very fact familiar folks in this Administration as being too flimsy and yet despite this, Secretary Gates repeats the accusation, again. So yes, the repetition and recycling of misinformation and lies about a potential foe by Administration officials has more than a whiff of the run up to Iraq about it.
BobbyG @ 152
Let’s face it, the man is about as intelligent as a bottle gourd.
Let’s not forget about the Hezbollians.
-GSD
OT Latinization spillover from Late Nite:
instead of veni, vidi, vici -
Libby, Liddy, Leechy:
(I scooted in, I Doled out retribution, I sucked the life out of an important national security program)
*xyz — Have something coming up on that momentarily.
GSD @ 156
Or Poland!
The Clusterfuck war is probably a self limiting action.
Goopers in congress know that if it isn’t over by the end of this year- they stand to lose the White House and increase their margin of minority in both houses- their fearless leader has led them into the desert and lost the fuckin map out…
It will be GOOPERS who demand that we get our asses out of Iraq- and by this time next year- watch the metamorphasis- it’s already happening- within twelve months- we’ll have cockroaches everywhere!
GSD at 93 …… Because Joe Lieberman’s first loyalty is to Israel, as is Feith’s, Wolfowitz’s, Libby’s, Hannah’s, Ledeen’s, Perle’s, Cristol’s, Wurmser’s………. all of them and the others.
We should all note who delivered the Pentagon’s Rebuttal to “the Feith Report”,—- none other than Eric Edelman, Feith’s successor, close personally to Wolfowitz and Perle, and ‘….the least trusted US Ambassdor to Turkey, ever!’
EvilDrPuma @ 150
oddly enough, that article did little to diminish my unbridled contempt for a certain Joe Lieberman
BobbyG @ 153:
I suppose Bush is not as bad as Dan Quayle, VP of Bush 41, who said at the beginning of his first visit to Latin America: “I like Latin America. Too bad I don’t speak Latin.”
I’m not kidding.
Fitz question:
In light of Abu Gonzalez’s recent and ongoing purge of non-compliant federal prosecutors (noted by Joe Conason here), do ya think Torture Boy will remove Fitz once Libby is cooked?
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theExile @ 140
Exile;
Sorry, but Austin is just too cool to war against them.
And there are millions of good blue-dog and progressive Texans, they are all just living in districts that were molded in a shape that makes them a minority.
So they can’t fix their own state any more than we can fix our nat’l government.
Here’s a Texas parody I wrote, thought it might fit here;
“The Yellow Skies of Texas”, (you know the tune)
a parody by John Patterson
The Yellow Skies of Texas.
Grow darker every day.
Because of folks like “W”,
And his pal Tom Delay.
They proudly claim the Lone Star,
The call the state their own,
They filled the air with poison,
Then made D.C. their home.
They said they would unite us,
And give everyone a job,
But we all caught bronchitis,
From breathin’ in their smog.
So they put their stock in HMO’s,
Now they charge us for the cure,
While the rivers in the Lone Star State,
Run brown with hog manure.
The founders of this nation,
That then became a state,
Would surely stand united,
Against this awful fate.
To watch their boundaries twisted,
Like carving up some beast,
And all to build the fortunes,
Of billionaires back east.
The Yellow Skies of Texas,
Grow darker every day,
From El Paso to Port Arthur,
clear down to South Padre,
I think if you could resurrect,
The Ghosts of Alamo,
They would all, with one accord,
Tell(say) “W” where(has) to go.
No more self-publishing, I promise…
Biodun @ 162
Oh, I remember Quayle…but Quayle was a largely forgettable dunce of a VP. Bush is an unforgettable, evil dunce of a president. Slight difference. there.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 159
I look forward to it. Russert’s credibility as a journalist has been utterly shattered. So when will NBC fire him?
Can I also just mention that I’m looking forward to seeing Andrea Mitchell on the stand next week. I have the feeling we’ll be learning a lot more about how insider D.C. “journalism” works.
And since Andrea’s under oath, maybe she will tell us that the “every journalist knows about Plame’s CIA status” comment came straight from Karl or someone else in the administration. I won’t bet on it, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
What people forget about Clusterfuck is his role as a statesman- after all- he put together the “Coalition of the Willing”– coming soon to an hour long news special at a Fox station near you.
Rules are for losers.
Bush’s Defeated Foe: US Civil Liberty
By Paul Craig Roberts
If anyone had predicted that the election of George W. Bush to the presidency would result in an American police state and illegal wars of aggression, he would have been dismissed as a lunatic.
What American could have imagined that if such crimes and travesties occurred, nothing would be done about them and that the media and opposition party would be largely silent?
http://www.informationclearing.....e15703.htm
WHAT INCIDENT SILENCED THE OPPOSITION PARTY AND THE MEDIA?
THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS - THE ONES THE PRESS SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN EVER OCCURRED.
THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS - THE ONES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FAILS TO REMEMBER WHEN PROCLAIMING THAT AMERICA HAS NOT BEEN STRUCK BY DOMESTIC TERROR SINCE 9/11.
CBS News ran a story recently on the ANTHRAX ATTACKS of five years ago. Their newscast stated that there are no leads, and the FBI is considering designating the attacks a “COLD CASE.”
That is a lie.
The anthrax came from a Rumsfeld-controlled DOD facility.
The Anthrax attacks were against the most prominent media talking heads, and against one member of the media who published photos of the Bush Twins drunk.
The Anthrax Attacks were also against Tom Daschle and other Democrats who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Warrantless Domestic Wire Tapping
Rumsfeld ordered it. Dr. Zack did it. It was US DOD Anthrax.
So now we know that they are guilty…all of them. What happens next?
Biodun @ 162
I once started working on a “panel discussion” comprised of Reagan, Quayle, and Dubya, the discourse of which would be wholly comrised of their voluminous inane bleatings.
_
I suppose this has already made the rounds:
I caught a little of the Armed Services testimony and one of the big issues I see is that the IG was not able to talk with Hadley and others who might have been able to shed more light on how the OSP was used.
Levin got quite irate and said soemthing like “Well, he’ll talk to us. We’ll get anyone we need to talk to us to get to the bottom of this.”
Here’s the beauty: If the OSP is not an intelligence agency (hardy-har-har) then Hadley has no claim to protecting intelligence secrets. If it IS, then the Intelligence Act mandates reporting to Congress and the adminsitration will have tacitly admitted to violations.
Violations of the Intelligence Act sure sounds like high crimes to me. Misdemeanors, for sure. So maybe the impeachment trail begins with Hadley. Meanwhile, prosecutions for Wofowitz, who also leaked the NIE before it was declassified, and Feith. Oh, and Rummy.
Gin!
Biodun @
149
Hey Biodun,
We might have to give Bush and the rest of the HeadInTheAssians a pass on that one. They haven’t been expected to conjugate any aspect of the English language since third grade. Why start now?
Plunger,
Paul Craig Roberts is a former Reagan assistant cabinet secretary.
Thems some tough words and they are stunning.
-GSD
JEP @ 166
No more self-denigrating, that was great! :)
By this reasoning there can never be a prosecution of a crime, because if it happened in the past, it won’t happen again.
from WaPo article:
The policy office, the summary stated, “was inappropriately performing Intelligence Activities . . . that should be performed by the Intelligence Community.”
The summary recommended no action within the Defense Department because, it said, the current collaboration under new leadership at the Pentagon and the intelligence community “will significantly reduce the opportunity for the inappropriate conduct of intelligence activities outside intelligence channels.”
The coalition of the willing–”One of hugest coalitions ever assembled” Now consists of three handicapped Aussies, a pick up truck, and an empty beer keg.
“Once the fuckin beer ran out- the mates just went home”.
*xyz @ 168
I understand the judge is having problems with Wells bringing on a “defense” witness (Mitchell) for the sole purpose of impeaching her.
_
Why is is every time I see the words “I. Scooter Libby” I expect it to be followed with “being of sound mind and body.”
Seems like he’s starting a last will and testament every time he writes his name down.
SING OUT LOUISE!!!
Why have we heard no more about this? Because members of our allegedly “Free Press” value their lives.
BobbyG @ 165
He almost did. Back in 2005 when Fitz’s 4 year term was up. It came right down to the wire. It took a ton of pushback to get Abu to back down.
He even showed up in Chicago to deliver the blow in person and then chickened out at the last minute.
A whole lot of people put their antiperspirants to the test those 2 weeks
My final installment from Goldberg on Lieberman:
GSD @ 176
Control of the media has been the key to everything that has befallen us. The most stunning revelation among many was the recent destruction of a report paid for by US taxpayers that would have revealed who controls the media:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14836500/
“You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein
15 August, 2006
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....00602.shtm
As has been revealed in technicolor in the Libby trial, the Mainstream media is the enemy of the American people. They are tools of the David Rockefeler global agenda - as articulated in the PNAC
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
Hi johnSwifty @ 176.
rwcole @ 18
I don’t CARE if it’s true. Bush has 150,000 troops in their with 100,000 more contractors, and an incredible amount of firepower to go with it.
If the problem in Iraq is with foreign forces then Iran is sure as hell not big brunt of it. Look in the mirror, Gates.
To the contrary, I’m (pleasantly) surprised there’s been as little heavy weaponry used by the resistance so far - other countries must be trying hard to keep their military supplies in check. You don’t have Iranian F-16’s making aerial bombing runs of towns up and down the river valleys in Anbar province - it’s BUSH ordering those sorties.
If there’s some low level flow of illicit weapons coming in from elsewhere then the big news should be how amazingly low level it is, compared to the firepower the US has in there.
It’s not even close to being comparable. The resistance, by all official US accounts, is 98% Iraqi.
Twisting that fact is dangerous red meat for the wingnuts, and strikes me as an attempt to ratchet up the fight to level the Middle East a giant step farther.
Biodun @ 184
yeah, and I’m the f*cking Eggman. Coocoocachoo.
punaise @ 174
it hasn’t really made too many rounds, I posted it downstairs but I haven’t seen much about it
you left out the best part
the article says cross would be brutal and of course the inferance is that cheney would clearly harm skooter’s chances
if he had any to harm
froggermarch @ 175
They are felonies. Big felonies. Going to serve your sentence in Levenworth kinda felonies. These people sign Executive Agreements wherein they AGREE that even tiny infractions can land them in prison until their grandchildren have grandchildren.
I hope Levin takes this all the way. The prosecution jurisdiction, unfortunatley, falls to DOJ. So, we may have to have a PSecial Prosecutor or wait till the next AG (which may cause some Statute of Limitations issues)
Biodun @ 184
I wish he’d pick himself up by the ass and just float away…like a Lorax should.
Biodun @ 184
In the Tradition of Scoop Jackson?
JINSA presents an annual Distinguished Service Award, named in honor of the late-Senator Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson to U.S. government leaders.
Last year the recipient was General Peter Pace.
This years recipient is none other the AIPAC Butt Boy and USS Liberty Coverup Specialist, JOHN McCain.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/.....es0712.htm
Tuesday December 5th, JINSA is proud to honor Senator John McCain with the 24th annual “Scoop Jackson Distinguished Service Award…sponsored by Rolls Royce.
DO THE MATH FOLKS!
http://www.jinsa.org/home/home.html
McCain / Lieberman is your future.
DO THE MATH
Possible McCain-Lieberman Alliance
Introducing McCain to a packed ball room of pro-Israel business executives, defense contractors, and Washington insiders, was Sen. Joseph Lieberman, fresh from being re-elected as an independent after losing the Democratic Party primary in Connecticut.
Lieberman’s glowing tribute to his Republican colleague did not go unnoticed. “McCain-Lieberman? There’s something to that,” JINSA board member Morris J. Amitay told the crowd.
http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....shtml?s=lh
The American people have to wait two long years to vote in another Congressional and Presidential election. They could’ve voted more overwhelmingly for Democrats in 2006 and that would’ve given Dems the power to override a veto and get legislation through without filibusters in the Senate. But, they didn’t see the urgency of voting Democratic.
Maybe next time it will be a bit more clear. How many more dead? How many convicted? How much money stolen or lost? The public must eventually realize the seriousness of this isn’t anything like ‘normal’.
In the meantime fdl and other responsible citizens or journalists must keep finding, discussing, analyzing, explaining and reporting (in the case of journalists) the story.
Maybe someday we’ll have a well-informed electorate who realize their own self-interest in not having boobs who wantonly kill people and steal or waste money running their government.
Biodun @ 184
If by “saving that one tree,” Lieberman means “promoting and perpetuating a failed and useless war at the cost countless lives and treasure,” then I agree.
Ed*ard Teller — oh please tell me there’s traction on the investigation in your neck of the woods related to “Toobz” Stevens.
We need another Dem in the Senate…and now.
bg @
111
Yes, but the Military Commissions Act passed with Dem votes, too. My Senator, Debbie Stabenow (D-MI),for instance.
oh, as far as editing with ie
last week I could, this week I can’t…I think it has to do with a java update I just installed and I will be uninstalling that
most people get the update automatically so if you get a bunch of people that can’t edit they need to uninstall the update from java
1watt @ 179
I swear, my first reaction was to look for
Christy:
This was not “idiocy”. It was fraud, and probably treason. Calling these people “incompetent” or “idiotic” or otherwise foolish obscures the issue more than it reveals. They were intelligent, patient, bold unscrupulous, and, above all, effective. And they are still in charge.
If Libby’s lawyers think that not even one Juror would be moved by havin the VP of the Newnited States of Ah mare icka stand up and say what a swell fella Scooter is- well they’re in DEEP SHIT!
HotFlash — yeah, much to my shame, Stabenow voted for that. She was concerned about her reelection, I’m sure, what with that moron right-wing freak Bouchard nipping at her heels with help from DeVos’ money.
Joe Lieberman=Poop Jackson.
-GSD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(political_science)
A number of techniques which are based on social psychological research are used to generate propaganda. Many of these same techniques can be found under logical fallacies, since propagandists use arguments that, while sometimes convincing, are not necessarily valid. A few examples are: Flag-waving, Glittering generalities, Intentional vagueness, Oversimplification, Rationalization, Red herring, Slogans, Stereotyping, Testimonial, Unstated assumption.
In the West, the term propaganda now overlaps with distinct terms like indoctrination (ideological views established by repetition rather than verification) and mass suggestion (broader strategic methods).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
As the 1983 American Heritage Dictionary noted, fascism is: “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.” (The US dictionary definition has gotten somewhat squishier since then, as all the larger dictionary companies have been bought up by multinational corporations.)
Mussolini was quite straightforward about all this. In a 1923 pamphlet titled “The Doctrine of Fascism” he wrote, “If classical liberalism spells individualism, Fascism spells government.” But not a government of, by, and for We The People - instead, it would be a government of, by, and for the most powerful corporate interests in the nation.
punaise @ 187
yeah, and I’m the f*cking Eggman. Coocoocachoo.
I am the Zed man.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....t/#respond
Plunger @ 193:
I’ve posted a few times at FDL on the high possibliity of a so-called “dream-fusion-unity” McCain-Lieberman ticket for 2008.
froggermarch @ 175
You just made my day - Thank you! :)
plunger @ 171
don’t forget, Judy “Germs” Miller got a bogus Anthrax letter
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011217/massing
looseheadprop at 9:32 am
Thanks lhp, I had no idea.
Also, Hugh thanks very much for your 9:19 as per usual.
1watt @ 179
They’re trying the same tact with the NSA appeal. (The other BIG trial I’ve been following which has been lost in the shuffle a bit)
The administration has been arguing that since they are now going through FISA, the prosecution of past NSA spying violations is “moot”. The appeals court seemed amused by that proposition, pointing out that the administration’s refusal to acknowledge its practice was illegal means they could go back to going around the FISA court at any time.
Bushco is conting on the fact that two of the three appeals judges in the 6th Circuit court here in Cincinnati are Bush appointees, but one of them was a “41″ appointee, so we shall see.
Bustednuckles @
205
“Can’t Buy Me Zed”
Biodun @ 205
It’s been preordained by David Rockefeller.
Once installed - McCain would spend every moment wondering when the JFK moment would occur that would result in President Lieberman.
He’s a tool for the broader agenda. He’s been bribed and blackmailed into this insanity.
The globalcysts view him as a “Useful Idiot.”
plunger @ 171
Ah, and there was one, only one anthrax hoax to a reporter, the envelope that JudyJudyJudy got. Was it a red herring? A warning to her? A made-up event to make her look like a tough investigative journalist? or just another shiny thing?
I’d love to get the true story on this.
“McCain/Lieberman”
Interesting idea given the fact that they are both dyin a slow death because of their support of the great war in the desert.. Together? Double yer pleasure- double yer fun? By 2008 they couldn’t raise three votes in a gooper nuthouse.
Judy, Judy, Judy probably sent it to herself to either a)evoke sympathy in a work environment where she was reviled or b)make herself and her work seem worthy of being a target.
*xyz @ 168
NBC fire him! NBC encourages this behavior in all their correspondents! This is the way that they want it to be.
Re upthread about the anthrax letters — is it really true about that that poor guy down in FL who worked for the tabloid — did that tabloid previously publish pix of the Bushlets drunk? Link pls?
I’ve never heard that particular allegation. It was a strange outlier in that cluster, all of the other letters being sent to DC- or BosWash-area politicos or newsies IIRC. Fascinating (and damning) if true… ??
The fact that McCain has lost his lead in most polls since he became a surge supporter is underreported.
HotFlash @ 212
see also: # 207
and funnily enough, Judy didn’t include herself in the anthrax mention in her testimony here:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/te.....it_id=4698
plunger @ 210
McCain was visiting elder Rockefellers in Little Rock about six weeks back. A local blogger posted a sighting with a small scoop at the time.
lhp @ 191
Your point about enforcement being with DOJ is, unfortunately, a good one, which is why we may need to start on the impeachment route for the sitting “civil officers” such as Hadley. He and Rice are about the only members of the cabal left–except for…oh…some dudes that fly on Air Forces 1 and 2.
Rayne, Lindy,
While some Democrats may have done a few things now and then during the first 6 years of Bush’s Presidency it didn’t amount to much. I would refer you to Feingold’s censure resolution how it garnered almost no support but a fair amount of derision from Democrats. I would point out too that Levin’s amendment last year for an untimed phased withdrawal was the Establishment Democratic response. Kerry’s stronger amendment on a timed pullout got little support again among Democrats.
I see little evidence that the Democrats behaved as an opposition party in the last 6 years when they were in the minority, and again this was during the worst Administration in our history, that has nothing but a list of catastrophes to its credit both domestically and internationally.
Judith Miller is a CIA Operative herself.
That would serve to explain why she was reluctant to write about Plame.
Of course she received a (fake) Anthrax letter.
That’s the way the game is played.
The Game is Terror. The Terrorists are within.
According to the US State Department, the definition of TERRORISM is not confined to the physical act of killing.
Terrorism occurs when a state utilizes fear tactics against its own people to accomplish political objectives.
The mere act or announcing a falsely construed terror alert - or overplaying the significance of a plot known not to be viable - is itself terrorism.
Tom Ridge admitted that many of the Terror Alerts announced under his command were in fact phony.
Remember the run on duct tape?
That was a clear case of state sponsored terrorism by the Government of the United States under the direction of Karl Rove against the people of the United States to achieve a political objective.
Karl Rove is a Terrorist under the definition ascribed by the US State Department.
McCain’s chances of winning the presidency are deader than a door nail. He’s supporting a guy with a 29% JAR–promising more of the same- stupid!!
Rude EEEE has the lead- but most goopers don’t know that he once bought a cup of coffee for a gay guy and said he’d pay for an abortion for his daughter- he’s dead meat too.
So what’s gonna happen? Romney may win it by default!!!
Then we can have news stories about “the garment”…won’t that be fun?
MarkH @ 193
The electorate is quite informed enough and getting more so every day. Maybe someday we will again have a voting system that actually counts votes, and maybe even a Supreme Court that follows the law wrt elections.
The reason there were as many Dems elected as here were is because the HAVA election theft machines were calibrated too low. They didn’t reckon on Foley and MoveOn and bloggers. They won’t make that mistake in 2008.
Anent JEP’s excellent #166, as long as we’re doing parodies, I thought that (if you missed it a few days before the Libby trial began) those of you old enuf to remember Tom Lehrer’s advice to young mathematicians to “Plagiarize, Plagiarize, Plagiarize!” in his ode to the great mathematician Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky might enjoy this TOTAL gem I copied from somewhere else in Left Blogistan, I forget where. (And obtw JEP # 182, that ain’t his entire name…) Enjoy hopefully, & pls pardon the (zigless, at least) length…
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MacDaffy over at Salon’s Table Talk has channeled Tom Lehrer to give us this lovely song explaining TraitorGate:
Who made me the pundit I am today,
The Eminent Scribe that others all quote?
Who’s the confessor that made me that way,
Who ducked attribution whenever I wrote?
One man deserves the credit,
One man deserves the blame,
and Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby Junior is his name. Oy!
Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby…
I am never forget the day I first meet the great Scooter Libby!
In two words he told me secret of success in Washington:
Wilson Lies! Wilson lies!
Reading the New York Times will strain your eyes,
This fellow wasn’t sent by Cheney’s guys
To cause our war’s demise
(Please don’t do long reprints in the comments — it substantially eats into our bandwidth. A snippet and a link are lovely, though. Thanks! — CHS)
————
You can see the original here:
http://members.aol.com/quentnc.....bachev.htm
What Hugh @ 222 said.
S.O.S. in MA @ 216
Now that Bob Stevens National Enquirer biz is one weird story. Here is a summary of the weirdness. Lots is labelled ‘conspiracy stuff’, but facts are very hard to come by.
Judyjudyjudy a CIA agent?
I don’t think so. She’s clueless.
Thanx HotFlash @ 228. Holey Moley.
——
Re my #226 — sorry ’bout dat, CHS. I’ll go find the link /blush
Prairie Sunshine @
4
Hey, I’m a new puppy on this lake, so there are still some barks that I don’t understand. Please help: EPU = Evil Parallel Universe?
If so, what does “EPU-d on last thread” mean?
pantingly,
Bob in HI
P J Evans @
229
I thought she was in “intelligence”, too, but the more I heard and read, I thought there is no way.
as someone else on here said, she’s a tool and a wanna-be
Hey, but Bill Clinton sort of lied about sex.
Isn’t that what’s really important here?
I’m only slightly less new hereabouts on the ‘Lake, Bob Schact # 231, but if I understand correctly there was a member here whose postings tended to get “orphaned” at the ends of commentaries-on-strings when a newer string was posted… So virtually all of the gaggle of readers followed, to comment on that. So maybe that member, or someone, took the name “Evil Parallel Universe” to describe this plight, using it as a reason to re-post that deathless prose in the newer string. And it stuck in the local parlance (and got verbed to boot). Not clear whether that’s right, but you prolly had the gist already.
… and since this discussion is happening on a thread that’s been superseded by a newer one, all this stuff is candidate for EPU’ing! :)
[Mod Note; pretty close, but in the opposite order. Evil Parallel Universe is a commenter whose detailed and pithy comments seemed to frequently appear immediately after the start of a new thread, hence an EPU’d comment. And yes, we are all in EPU now.]
Check out this quote by Feith explaining the intel that the OSP spewed forth. He now claims that he didn’t really believe it and wasn’t endorsing it. What the heck was he doing?
“This was not “alternative intelligence assessment.” It was from the start a criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community, and in presenting it I was not endorsing its substance.”
P J Evans @ 227
Exactly why she would be perfect for that job. She is fed all she needs to know and asks no questions.
P J Evans @
11
I wonder how many of those weapons, Ground-To-Air Missiles, and ammunition/explosives have US Government serial numbers and markings upon them?
Does that mean that the US Government is supplying the weapons and explosives to the insurgents?
And which country protected the vast bulk of Iraqi exiles during the Saddam Regime? Which country armed and trained the militia groups that were part of the anti-Saddam coalition that the Bush Administration said were Iraqi Democracy groups?
Do you think that those groups might have brought Iranian weapons into the country as far back as 2002…and perhaps earlier? That groups like the Badr Brigades which the Coalition used to “police” the areas of southern and eastern Iraq might have been using IRANIAN supplied arms?
And notice that they Bush Administration is not saying one smidgen about the Saudi’s (and other Sunni led states) supplying the Sunnis with weapons!
Redshift @
99
This is precisely true. Moqtada al Sadr actually is antagonistic to Iranian influence and his strategy was to infiltrate his men into the Iraqi National Gaurd and buy and embezzle weapons from there. His weapons are predominantly obtained from the poorly secured and inventoried US military material that BUSH has poured in to the vast benefit of the war-profiteers…or they are weapons bought on the Black Market from those caches that the US utterly failed to secure after the invasion.
The SCIRI Badr Brigades were already well armed and trained by Iran when they flowed across the border right after the invasion. The “Coalition of the Willing” used these SCIRI forces to secure the South and East of Iraq. Now we are finding that some of them are now fighting US and British forces, and participating in murder squads.
Then there are the Sunnis, former Baathists that simply hid their weapons, or have also easily obtained those on the Black Market. But now they are also getting both monetary and military supplies from the Saudis, Egyptians, and other Sunni regimes that fear a Shiite ethnic cleansing and Iranian hegemony in Iraq.
Sara @
113
The Vice President appears to believe that he is in a completely new FOURTH BRANCH of Government. He is now saying that he’s not really in the EXECUTIVE BRANCH since he also is the “President” of the Senate…so when laws constrain the Executive…he shifts his Office over to the other “branch”…and Vice Versa!
He’s taken a position that “wasn’t worth a bucket of spit” and filled that “spit” with dangerous, contageous microbes!
maunga @
162
And Eric Edelman was Libby’s own Special Assistant who received the CIA’s analysis report on “Niger/Iraq Nuclear Issue” from Cheney CIA briefer Craig Schmall.
Isn’t it a funny coincidence… the day the report was released which investigated the flawed Pentagon’s intelligence-gathering by Bush and Co., Lieberman and Co. are in Kosovo.
The Pincus article on the IG report has been pulled from the Washington Post site!
MarkH @
194
Well only a third of the Senate seats were up. So the fact that the Democrats grabbed almost all of those that were in contention, as well as all but the most gerrymandered protected seats in the House…says that they were adamant about change.
The problem is that even if almost EVERY available Senate Seat had changed hands they Republicans could still filibuster. The thing that might change this is the awareness by the Tubthumplicans that if they continue to support the lies and tactics of Bush that, while he may continue on enriching his war-profiteer buddies and escape his term in denial (and impeachment-free) that the Tubthumplicans are going to be treated as corrupted, minions that bankrupted millions of the Middle Class and dragged this country from being the only superpower to one that is in the hands of multinational banks and corporate elites.
Some of the Tubthumpers are realizing that the Bush policies are moving their party into extinction, except for a few “Land of the Lost” refugia
…so they are singing the tune of canaries, suddenly….pleading with BONER and the other party-leaders that they have to rise up on their hind paws and yap a different song than Bush.But as much as Hagel, Snowe, Smith (Oregon), Lugar and others have suddenly hinted at dancing with the Democrats…look at how many broke “party discipline” to support the non-binding rejection of the “Surge”.
It makes me want to “surge” my lunch!
The Post article has issued a correction online, posted below:
Correction to This Article
A Feb. 9 front-page article about the Pentagon inspector general’s report regarding the office of former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith incorrectly attributed quotations to that report. References to Feith’s office producing “reporting of dubious quality or reliability” and that the office “was predisposed to finding a significant relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda” were from a report issued by Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) in Oct. 2004. Similarly, the quotes stating that Feith’s office drew on “both reliable and unreliable reporting” to produce a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq “that was much stronger than that assessed by the IC [Intelligence Community] and more in accord with the policy views of senior officials in the Administration” were also from Levin’s report. The article also stated that the intelligence provided by Feith’s office supported the political views of senior administration officials, a conclusion that the inspector general’s report did not draw.The two reports employ similar language to characterize the activities of Feith’s office: Levin’s report refers to an “alternative intelligence assessment process” developed in that office, while the inspector general’s report states that the office “developed, produced, and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on the Iraq and al Qaida relationship, which included some conclusions that were inconsisent with the consensus of the Intelligence Community, to senior decision-makers.” The inspector general’s report further states that Feith’s briefing to the White House in 2002 “undercuts the Intelligence Community” and “did draw conclusions that were not fully supported by the available intelligence.”
Joel @ 242
Just how reliable can an investigation be by the Penatgons Inspector General of the Penatagon of another Pentagon office?… The OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS.
Come on Republican Senator Pat Roberts re-directed the Senates investigation of the Office of Special Plans without even telling Senator Jay Rockerfeller. Can we trust any report from the IG, can we trust the findings of someone Senator Pat Roberts handed the investigation to. No NO NO
Especially when the IG came out and said that the manipulation of the intelligence was “dubious, but that Douglas Feith did nothing illegal”. Holy shit so the message is that it is o.k. to create and manipulate intelligence and feed it to the Bush administration trumping the normal intelligence organizations and appropriate paths. That the use of this false intelligence by the Bush administration to convince “some” of the American public to support an illegal and immoral invasion is “dubious but not illegal” HOly fuck!
While I respect Senator Levin deeply and appreciate that he has been focused on the false intelligence and it’s mis-use and responded to the report with some strong words I think calling the use of this false intelligence “inappropriate” just a little week.
So Doug Feith and the rest(Micheal Ledeen, Rhode) of the criminals that created and dessiminated false intelligence have now had their hands slapped. Take that you psychopathic killers. And as David Corn said in one of his past articles what lesson has this group of sociopathe learned “that they can get away with it”
Let’s just hope that Senator Levin and Senator Jay Rockerfeller and the rest of the Democrats have the “chutzpah” and the integrity to demand that these people are held accountable for the part that they have played in starting a “war of choice” it’s the direct consequence of the usel of this false intelligence the deaths and injuries of hundreds of thousnads of people.
Let’s hope that it does not take lies about a blowjob for this congress to take an INTELLIGENCE SNOWJOB seriously. We are the laughing stock of the world, and the lack of justice in regard to the lies that took us into war will keep it that way if congress does not do their job. They have not only lost their integrity but it looks as though they have lost their souls.
The whole world is watching and waiting for justice in regard to the manipulation of pre-war intelligence! We are waiting for ACCOUNTABILITY
PHASE II OF THE SSCI BETTER DO MORE THAN SLAP SOME HANDS!
2/9/07 2:29 PM
kathleen said…
NEWS FLASH. IAEA’S MR. EL RARADEI LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT THE PRE-WAR INTELLIGENCE WAS MANIPULATED IN EARLY 2002. THE DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, THE MSM IN THIS COUNTRY IGNORED HIS EFFORTS.
NEWS FLASH! SCOTT RITTER, HANS BLIX, UN KOFI ANAN, CIA ANALYST AND OTHERS ANNOUNCED LOUD AND CLEAR LONG BEFORE THE INVASION THAT THE PRE-WAR INTELLIGENCE WAS MANIPULATED !
2/9/07 2:33 PM
david corns recent article
The Scotter Libby trial is on recess today–and so am I (as far as blogging goes).
But allow me to point out that several years too late the Inspector General of the Pentagon has finished an investigation of the Defense Department intelligence cell that was created before the Iraq war by Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, a neocon hawk. [Photo]
Feith’s outfit dug up and manipulated raw intelligence tidbits to support the charge that Saddam Hussein was in league with al Qaeda. This was a key part of the White House sales campaign for the war (as Michael Isikoff and I note in our book).
For years, Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who now chairs the armed services committee,[Photo] pushed for a full investigation of the Feith operation. The Republicans in charge in the Senate resisted, and kicked the inquiry to the IG.
The IG’s report is classified. But the declassified summary states that Feith’s outfit engaged in “inappropriate” (though not unlawful) activity, that it had been wrong to claim that al Qaeda and Saddam had “a mature symbiotic relationship.” and that it produced material that was not “the most accurate analysis of intelligence.” Now they tell us. You can read the summary here.
Let’s give Levin the last word. In a statement on the IG report, he noted:
The bottom line is that intelligence relating to the Iraq-al Qaeda relationship was manipulated by high ranking officials in the Department of Defense to support the Administration’s decision to invade Iraq when the intelligence assessments of the professional analysts of the Intelligence Community did not provide the desired compelling case. The Inspector General’s report is a devastating condemnation of inappropriate activities in the DOD policy office that helped take this nation to war.
Posted by David Corn at February 9, 2007 11:12 AM
posted by capt at 10:38 AM on Feb 9, 2007
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Kathleen—your comments are appreciated but you really need to significantly shorten them, use links to material that can be found elsewhere, and learn the word that you consistently use that triggers the moderation filters. Future use of trigger words may result in your comments not being released from moderation.
Also, repeatedly posting a comment that is trapped in moderation does not make the first one appear any faster.
S.O.S. in MA @
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Thanks for the clarification! But I’m hopeful now that Democrats have control of congress that we’ll emerge from (R)EPU(bliclan) captivity sometime soon!
Bob in HI
RBG @ 247
o.k. although I did read the word f— several times in other peoples responses yesterday after mine in regard to the Libby trial. “tom Mcquire’s” response. AmI being discriminated against. Why can one person curse and not the peasants?
I will shorten my responses! Thankd for providing the space I will not abuse it, but I do think the rules should apply across the board.
mrJJ @
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http://www.informationclearing.....le1438.htm
I went back to look for the example and found your explanation. The example is below. Thanks for the explanation.
I will r shorten my outrage with the findings of the Pentagons IG. and my outrage towards the U.s. congress’s twisted priorities on this website. Thanks for all the important work of the firedoglake folks. I have spread the word far and wide.
I think Jeff is arguing that it is this copy of Joe’s op-ed, on which Dick wrote nasty things about “the wife.” In the context, it would mean that Cheney et al didn’t turn over the op-ed in normal discovery, as they would have to, since it pretty fucking clearly has to do with Joe Wilson, his wife, and his trip to Niger.
Mickey @ 243
is there any explanation for this?
Biodun @
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Well, gee, if the report is “very damning” don’tcha kinda think Democrats might oughta DO SOMETHING about it, like impeach the bastards???
Bob in HI
Kathleen—it’s not the “f” word. If that word was in the filters the moderators could never keep up around the Lake.
It’s the word that rhymes with the nickname for a press secretary…and two words instead of one don’t seem to trigger the filters…at least not as frequently.
Hope that helps.
Christy “Guess which group did not bother the follow the law and failed to do proper notification to the Intel committees in Congress? Say hello to Mr. Oversight and Ms. Accountability. And let the sun shine in…because it is way past time for a whole lot of festering secrets from the George, Dick and Rummy Intel Chop Shop to be dragged out into the open.”In case you were wondering, this is one of the many reasons we worked so hard to get Democrats elected last Fall. Congressional oversight and checks and balances — it’s a beautiful thing.
You bet your bottom Christy! I literally put in thousands of hours working for Senator Sherrod Brown in southern Ohio.
When he was here in Athens Ohio before the election I asked him about holding people accountable for the false pre-war intelligence. Senator Brown’s response was “we don’t want to be about retribution” I responsded “since when did holding people accountable start being defined as retribution instead of being defined as JUSTICE?
We keep hearing versions of this bi-partisan theme song being repeated ” Move on” “This is not about the Blame Game” “Everybody plays the fool sometime”. If the newly elected congress does not do their job and INVESTIGATE…DE-ESCALATE…THEY WILL LOSE IN 2008 AND OPEN THE DOORS TO INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES
Cone on Gore I dare you to run as an independent candidate.
kathleen @
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It was off for about an hour with this brief note, “An article about a Pentagon inspector general’s report on pre-Iraq war intelligence is being reviewed by The Washington Post. Check back later for updates.” Then it returned rewritten with a correction note. Apparently the authors collated the IG report and Levin’s comments as if it all came from from the report. I’ll bet there was one hot phone call from somebody. I’ve never seen a Washington Post article pulled and rewritten.
There was another article about Feith on the front page of the Washington Post, but the link disappeared about the same time as the Pincus article from the main page, though the article is still online.
I wonder who called?
Apparently the Pentagon called the Washington Post [see Crooks and Liars].
We need to write to them and hold them accountable for the truth after all of the @#$% that came out this week about how they have protected this administration. We need to caution them that we are watching this one closely.
Mickey @ 256
It really seems that the same technique was used to discount CIA intelligence as was used (mathematically) to steal elections.
In one, opinion was manipulated as fact that contradicted the considered findings of the intelligence community based on known facts.
In stealing elections, a small manipulation up for your supporters, coupled with a small “down” for your opponets, both within the limits of statistical error, produces a statistically significant “win” that cannot be checked against any paper trail. A thousand such little wins will offset a huge number of votes against your candidate. All done, sleight of hand, beneath the “radar” of statistical analysis.
Only one “super” computer, so programmed, can in real time, produce such results as are desired in a way that leaves no “foot-print” to be picked up by statistics. CIA has such a computer, GHWBush was in charge of CIA (and probably still is by proxy).
It worked so well in rigging elections in their favor,they thought it would do the same to “throw” valid information as well. With MSM a compliant party organ, who’d a known or believed.
Two things urgently need attention. 1. Get out to the Military and Intelligence that any nuclear attack upon a country that has not declared War on the U.S. will result in charges of Treason against the People and the Constitution of the U.S. being brought by Congress for all those instagating or participating in such an attack; and 2. any country that uses its assets to that end will be held by Congress to have declared War upon the interests of the United States.
One can only hope that a military commander will not put his investment in rank on the line to join General Arnold in the pages of history. It puts some distance between irrational fingers and certain buttons.