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		<title>By: JEP</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497693</link>
		<dc:creator>JEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“she at her worst was twice the man Libby or Cheney ever dream”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I might have interpreted this as snark, but actually, it rings quite true, considering the treehouse boy’s clug atmosphere the Cheney and his neoR’s have built for themselves in this Bush administration…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“she at her worst was twice the man Libby or Cheney ever dream”</p>
<p>I might have interpreted this as snark, but actually, it rings quite true, considering the treehouse boy’s clug atmosphere the Cheney and his neoR’s have built for themselves in this Bush administration…</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Horse</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497648</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-497276&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;none @&lt;br /&gt;
                116              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t believe that OBL story, given that the $25 million bounty on his head is still in force AFAIK.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, if you’re a French special forces soldier newly rich, your court martial prevents you from spending it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>I don’t believe that OBL story, given that the $25 million bounty on his head is still in force AFAIK.</p>
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<p>Of course, if you’re a French special forces soldier newly rich, your court martial prevents you from spending it.</p>
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		<title>By: none</title>
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		<dc:creator>none</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t believe that OBL story, given that the $25 million bounty on his head is still in force AFAIK.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t believe that OBL story, given that the $25 million bounty on his head is still in force AFAIK.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497237</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Steal a loaf of bread, 20 years to life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Steal half a billion like Michael Milken, 8 years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kill hundreds of thousands of innocents like Bush &amp; Co., … look Anna Nicole Smith died.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The MSM has a lot of splainin’ to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why is it the Rich in America, those who run corporations and give the most money to control who gets heard or elected don’t seem to trust in our Democracy? Why do they hate America?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steal a loaf of bread, 20 years to life.</p>
<p>Steal half a billion like Michael Milken, 8 years.</p>
<p>Kill hundreds of thousands of innocents like Bush &amp; Co., … look Anna Nicole Smith died.</p>
<p>The MSM has a lot of splainin’ to do.</p>
<p>Why is it the Rich in America, those who run corporations and give the most money to control who gets heard or elected don’t seem to trust in our Democracy? Why do they hate America?</p>
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		<title>By: Pectopah</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497232</link>
		<dc:creator>Pectopah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-497013&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cleveburgian @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Seriously, Diane Rehm is such a tool. She’s practically built a little cult around herself, what with all her callers always fawning over her and how she presents both sides, a reasonable tone, blah, blah, blah… All you have to do is look at how skewed right her guest list is; typical bunch of bobbleheads, with very few and very seldom any real progressives…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree. Plus her comments/questions always seem to be about her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-497013"><em>cleveburgian @ 101</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Seriously, Diane Rehm is such a tool. She’s practically built a little cult around herself, what with all her callers always fawning over her and how she presents both sides, a reasonable tone, blah, blah, blah… All you have to do is look at how skewed right her guest list is; typical bunch of bobbleheads, with very few and very seldom any real progressives…</p>
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<p>I agree. Plus her comments/questions always seem to be about her.</p>
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		<title>By: LBrowne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497116</link>
		<dc:creator>LBrowne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-497037&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twc @&lt;br /&gt;
                107              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m neither a prosecutor nor a criminal defense lawyer but I’d expect something along the lines of 2 to 4 years if Libby’s convicted of all counts. Chris Matthews often talks about Libby facing 20 or 30 years, but that seems way too high to me. First of all, he’s just adding up the maximum statutory sentence on each count, but sentences for multiple convictions generally run not consecutively but concurrently. In other words, the defendant gets sentenced to prison time based on the worst offense and serves the time for the other offenses at the same time as s/he serves out the longest sentence. In addition, 20 years is more like something a repeat violent offender would get — just way too long for a first-time offender on a white-collar offense.&lt;br /&gt;
Federal criminal sentences are pretty well spelled out in the sentencing guidelines. There isn’t too much room for the judge’s individual discretion. The guy who made the estimate of 2-3 years is an experienced criminal defense attorney who does this for a living. I’d take his figure over Matthews’.&lt;br /&gt;
And don’t take a prison sentence of 2 years too lightly. Put yourself in Libby’s shoes (or those of his wife or kids) should he some day be asked to rise as the judge walks in to pronounce his sentence.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, I can see that the sentences might be served concurrently, especially for a first-time offender.  I actually wondered if the 20 years was a deliberate overestimate setting up the 2-3 year estimate in “camp”.  The use of the word “camp” rather than “prison” or “facility” raised a red flag for me.  Perhaps that’s an accepted term in prison lingo but given the number of talking point vendors that have appeared on Hardball, it came across as a “Libby’s not actually going to go to &lt;em&gt;jail&lt;/em&gt;“.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If two years is the prison sentence Libby was hoping to avoid by going to trial, I’ve got to wonder what sort of deal Fitzgerald was offering that Libby found so unattractive — and whether Libby is having second thoughts about rejecting that deal now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-497037"><em>twc @<br />
                107              </em></a></p>
<p>I’m neither a prosecutor nor a criminal defense lawyer but I’d expect something along the lines of 2 to 4 years if Libby’s convicted of all counts. Chris Matthews often talks about Libby facing 20 or 30 years, but that seems way too high to me. First of all, he’s just adding up the maximum statutory sentence on each count, but sentences for multiple convictions generally run not consecutively but concurrently. In other words, the defendant gets sentenced to prison time based on the worst offense and serves the time for the other offenses at the same time as s/he serves out the longest sentence. In addition, 20 years is more like something a repeat violent offender would get — just way too long for a first-time offender on a white-collar offense.<br />
Federal criminal sentences are pretty well spelled out in the sentencing guidelines. There isn’t too much room for the judge’s individual discretion. The guy who made the estimate of 2-3 years is an experienced criminal defense attorney who does this for a living. I’d take his figure over Matthews’.<br />
And don’t take a prison sentence of 2 years too lightly. Put yourself in Libby’s shoes (or those of his wife or kids) should he some day be asked to rise as the judge walks in to pronounce his sentence.
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<p>Yes, I can see that the sentences might be served concurrently, especially for a first-time offender.  I actually wondered if the 20 years was a deliberate overestimate setting up the 2-3 year estimate in “camp”.  The use of the word “camp” rather than “prison” or “facility” raised a red flag for me.  Perhaps that’s an accepted term in prison lingo but given the number of talking point vendors that have appeared on Hardball, it came across as a “Libby’s not actually going to go to <em>jail</em>“.  </p>
<p>If two years is the prison sentence Libby was hoping to avoid by going to trial, I’ve got to wonder what sort of deal Fitzgerald was offering that Libby found so unattractive — and whether Libby is having second thoughts about rejecting that deal now.</p>
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		<title>By: TGos</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497059</link>
		<dc:creator>TGos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-496864&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;punaise @ 9 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We just got word that Anna Nicole Smith just died.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
does Cheney have an alibi?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-496917&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Moron @ 38 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;At about 4:05 pm today, I learned from yahoo.com that Anna Nicole Smith had died.&lt;br /&gt;
I then forget this.&lt;br /&gt;
At about 4:30 pm, I went to msnbc.com and saw that Anna Nicole Smith had died.  I was taken aback.  I learned this news as if anew.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Snarkspear at the Lake - half the reason I come here.&lt;br /&gt;
Top notch, TOP NOTCH&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-496864"><em>punaise @ 9 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><em>We just got word that Anna Nicole Smith just died.</em><br />
does Cheney have an alibi?</p>
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<p><a href="#comment-496917"><em>Moron @ 38 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>At about 4:05 pm today, I learned from yahoo.com that Anna Nicole Smith had died.<br />
I then forget this.<br />
At about 4:30 pm, I went to msnbc.com and saw that Anna Nicole Smith had died.  I was taken aback.  I learned this news as if anew.</p>
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<p>Snarkspear at the Lake &#8211; half the reason I come here.<br />
Top notch, TOP NOTCH</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Royce Perez</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497046</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederick Royce Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anna Nicole Smith was just about the perfect example of all the things one person could aspire to that are utterly worthless , yet seen as one level of the American dream . How that differs from Irving Lewis Libby beats me . Except for one minor detail . Anna failed to disregard her fans or whatever else you would call the attention she derived and those people who were attracted to her noise buzz or flash as integers to pay for a Utopian Society that Cheney , Libby and all their little friends are driven to do . In some of her portraits recently in the papers she actually looked or appeared to be an adult , something not clearly evident historically . A life of horrific fascination with a child lady as its CEO . I could be wrong and she could have been something else , something more personally sinister (unconvincing) , but I estimate she at her worst was twice the man Libby or Cheney ever dream they are when they’re finished counting whatever it is they count before they start their manly giggles .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna Nicole Smith was just about the perfect example of all the things one person could aspire to that are utterly worthless , yet seen as one level of the American dream . How that differs from Irving Lewis Libby beats me . Except for one minor detail . Anna failed to disregard her fans or whatever else you would call the attention she derived and those people who were attracted to her noise buzz or flash as integers to pay for a Utopian Society that Cheney , Libby and all their little friends are driven to do . In some of her portraits recently in the papers she actually looked or appeared to be an adult , something not clearly evident historically . A life of horrific fascination with a child lady as its CEO . I could be wrong and she could have been something else , something more personally sinister (unconvincing) , but I estimate she at her worst was twice the man Libby or Cheney ever dream they are when they’re finished counting whatever it is they count before they start their manly giggles .</p>
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		<title>By: Redshift</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497045</link>
		<dc:creator>Redshift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-497013&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cleveburgian @ 102&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Seriously, Diane Rehm is such a tool. She’s practically built a little cult around herself, what with all her callers always fawning over her and how she presents both sides, a reasonable tone, blah, blah, blah… All you have to do is look at how skewed right her guest list is; typical bunch of bobbleheads, with very few and very seldom any real progressives…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My main beef with her is having shows with wingnut welfare hacks (from organizations that explicitly state their purpose is to advocate for conservative causes) “balanced” with journalists, thus entirely knuckling under to the “liberal press bias” canard and reinforcing it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is what drove me permanently away, combined with allowing conservatives to tell bald-faced lies without being called on it or denied a return invitation, and their constant interruptions (the conservative gets to speak his piece and then interrupts when the non-conservative is halfway through.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-497013"><em>cleveburgian @ 102</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Seriously, Diane Rehm is such a tool. She’s practically built a little cult around herself, what with all her callers always fawning over her and how she presents both sides, a reasonable tone, blah, blah, blah… All you have to do is look at how skewed right her guest list is; typical bunch of bobbleheads, with very few and very seldom any real progressives…</p>
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<p>My main beef with her is having shows with wingnut welfare hacks (from organizations that explicitly state their purpose is to advocate for conservative causes) “balanced” with journalists, thus entirely knuckling under to the “liberal press bias” canard and reinforcing it.</p>
<p>That is what drove me permanently away, combined with allowing conservatives to tell bald-faced lies without being called on it or denied a return invitation, and their constant interruptions (the conservative gets to speak his piece and then interrupts when the non-conservative is halfway through.)</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/too-amusing/#comment-497044</link>
		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-496921&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;litigatormom @ 41 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Re: Anna Nicole Smith….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, so the MSM will run amuck with this story, and once again bury coverage of the Libby trial on the back page.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But let’s remember that with her death, an infant daughter has been left motherless, and the now very important matter of who’s her daddy is a matter of dispute.  The poor kid is going to be a legal football for God knows how long. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That makes me sad. And however trashy and vulgar ANS was in life, she was a bereaved mother and clearly a very confused woman.  That makes me sad too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;End of lecture.  Back to our regularly scheduled program: &lt;b&gt;LIBBY IS GOING DOWN&lt;/b&gt;!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All true, and yet, all none of my business. The corruption of elected federal officials and their staffs is &lt;b&gt;definitely&lt;/b&gt; my business. Pity the MSM don’t use that as their criterion for deciding what to overplay.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-496921"><em>litigatormom @ 41 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Re: Anna Nicole Smith….</p>
<p>Okay, so the MSM will run amuck with this story, and once again bury coverage of the Libby trial on the back page.  </p>
<p>But let’s remember that with her death, an infant daughter has been left motherless, and the now very important matter of who’s her daddy is a matter of dispute.  The poor kid is going to be a legal football for God knows how long. </p>
<p>That makes me sad. And however trashy and vulgar ANS was in life, she was a bereaved mother and clearly a very confused woman.  That makes me sad too.</p>
<p>End of lecture.  Back to our regularly scheduled program: <b>LIBBY IS GOING DOWN</b>!!!!!</p>
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<p>All true, and yet, all none of my business. The corruption of elected federal officials and their staffs is <b>definitely</b> my business. Pity the MSM don’t use that as their criterion for deciding what to overplay.</p>
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