
(Graphics luv to commenter Andrea of the Huffington Post who sent this to Arianna. Seemed so appropriate for today, somehow.)
It's just been one of those weeks for Mary Matalin, with all Cheney's her own words coming home to roost. The trouble with Mary is that she selected the meticulous note-taker Scooter Libby as her "go to guy," and that he dutifully scribbled down her every, venomous screed about Amb. Wilson and Tim Russert and Chris Matthews. Because, in Mary's world, anyone who would dare have the temerity to question the right of Dick Cheney to do whatever he pleased got what they deserved. Truth be damned.
Except now the truth comes out about Mary's manipulative media machinations. Her whole facade of public interest and loyalty to the boss and keeping you safe and every other bit of malarky she's thrown out to the public in her long career of press maneuvering has now been opened for public scrutiny. And it is not pretty.
This morning, she faced a bit of reckoning from an unlikely source: Don Imus. (Yes, I know. Color me shocked as well, but he asked some very good and skeptical questions. In quite the mocking tone, I might add — I believe Imus adopted the "Mary Skeptic" pose for today's broadcast.) Via Atrios:
Imus: Did you tell Scooter Libby to call Tim Russert because he hates Chris Matthews?
Matalin: I think I said "Tim hates me." Or "Tim hates…" I hate Matthews. Here's, no let me take you inside the room. When I was at the White House…
Imus: Do you know what you said?
Matalin: I know exactly what I meant then.
Imus: Well what did you say?
Matalin: I don't know why i would have said that but I would have said this. All I know is this: the notes that the prosecutor put up of… a characterization of a conversation .. the prosecutor in that instance and the rest of it mischaracterized what was in my mind. here's what was in my mind. So, here's what I know what was in my mind and here's how it works and here's how I did my job and how all these jobs have to be done.
Other than you, and maybe this has happened to you, when anyone else who purports to be an objective analyst goes on the air and bashes your principle as they're called, and in this case it was the vice president, then you call the bureau chief and you complain. In the case of Chris who purported to be on a nightly basis an objective analyst who would get on there and say things which we knew not to be true, as in Cheney saw this report. The Cheney we knew -Cheney didn't know Wilson, Cheney never sent Wilson, Cheney never saw the report, and the report that did exist corroborated the agency's belief that there was some effort by Saddam to procure yellowcake.
So everything he was saying was wrong. And when that is the case then it is our job – the press guy's job – to call up and complain first to the producers of the show. Second, when there's no response forthcoming to the bureau chief. And, finally, in the case of Chris unfortunately – he used to be a friend of mine – to the New York bosses.
So I wasn't working there at the time and I said "you should call." And I don't remember saying, and I don't know that I would ever say that, because I don't know that Tim hates Chris. I think he likes Chris very much. I think he likes everybody over there. But I don't think he likes – and nor does any bureau chief ever like – when they have to take these complaint calls when their people are on the air saying these fallacious things.
That's just a bunch of butt-covering, nonsensical blather, isn't it? And it smacks of that desperation that you can only find in the Beltway: impending power pariah status because you are about to receive a self-inflicted media shunning, cutting off all the self-promotion and party shilling opportunities with one pull of the television plugs. That moment of unbookability looming, panic filed the air, and a phone was dialed. Matalin wasn't scheduled to be a guest on Imus this morning. She phoned in the show to do this to herself.
Twice.
Here's a bit more from Matalin's impromptu calls to Imus this morning, again via Atrios:
Matalin: We were friends for a really really long time.
Imus: Why do you not like him now:
Matalin: This is not about him or me or liking or disliking. I do not like anyone – I'm being redundant here – who purports to be a purveyor of truth and serving the public by serving the truth out there who flagrantly is making up stuff. To my mind an observation a nightly flagrant bias, an untruthtelling, about the circumstances surrounding this and other things having to do with the Vice President. And I did call his producers to no avail. Chris is to his producers as you are to the world, but you're in a different position.
So it's not what I think about him. I think he's an incredible human being who has overcome a lot. I love his wife and when his show was first on it was must see TV. And now I can't trust… if I know for a fact that everything he's saying about things in which I'm involved are wrong then I can't trust anything else that he says.
But Mary, what if you know for a fact that what Matthews is saying is true, but that by saying it, he's damaging the political prospects of your former boss nee political godfather by calling his myriad of lies to the public's attention? By questioning the little credibility that Vice President Cheney might have left at his 18% approval rate and falling, does Matthews' questioning begins to impinge not just on your former boss's ego, but also, perhaps, on your own personal consulting and lobbying and self-promoting bottom line? Guess that's a horse of a different color altogether, isn't it? Or perhaps a roosting chicken?
Here is Matalin back on November 21, 2005 — just after the Libby indictment, in one of her many shill circuit bookings – again attempting to use the Imus Show to pedal her wares lies:
MATALIN: What's the crime here? Everybody in town knew that, and who outed her was her husband — "my wife, the CIA wife" and all this stuff. No crime, big gossip, politics, he's attacking us, we're answering him, and somehow people are in jail and a guy's career is ruined. Does that make sense to you?
Yep, there she is with the talking point du jour. Except what she and Victoria Toensing and Joe DiGenova (the Boris and Natasha of GOP legal shills) and all the other Cheney apologists out there didn't count on was that the Libby trial would spill out so many of their magic media manipulation beans…right out into the public's view. Because (and not to toot our own little FDL horn or anything, but this is truly what we've been hoping for with our long-standing coverage on this case), people don't have to get their news only via a media filter any longer.
This trial is being immediately summarized and blogged for all the world to read — right here.
And, in real time, we've all gotten to learn from former WH and VP press secretaries just what outlets are friendly (read: those media outlets that allowed us to prattle on and didn't ask us anything uncomfortable but merely acted as our own personal steno pool), and what ones were considered hostile (read: those media folks who asked questions and had the nerve to expect answers). We've learned that Vice President Cheney likes to send out his minions with handwritten talking points to use with the press (read: such as those one might find atop a certain op-ed piece).
And, this week in particular, we've learned that Mary Matalin's friendship with Tim Russert extended about as far as it needed to in order for him to be useful to her.
Ouch.
Eric Boehlert has an extraordinarily well done piece at Media Matters on the long-term effects of the Libby trial on lifting the curtain from the intertwined and incestuous Beltway access game between politicians and the reporters who cover them. From Eric's piece:
…So as the facts of the White House cover-up now tumble out into open court, it's important to remember that if it hadn't been for Fitzgerald's work, there's little doubt the Plame story would have simply faded into oblivion like so many other disturbing suggestions of Bush administration misdeeds. And it would have faded away because lots of high-profile journalists at The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time, and NBC wanted it to.
In a sense, it was Watergate in reverse. Instead of digging for the truth, lots of journalists tried to bury it. The sad fact remains the press was deeply involved in the cover-up, as journalists reported White House denials regarding the Plame leak despite the fact scores of them received the leak and knew the White House was spreading rampant misinformation about an unfolding criminal case.
And that's why the Plame investigation then, and the Libby perjury trial now, so perfectly capture what went wrong with the timorous press corps during the Bush years as it routinely walked away from its responsibility of holding people in power accountable and ferreting out the facts….
Regardless of the outcome from the Libby perjury case, the trial itself will be remembered for pulling back the curtain on the Bush White House as it frantically tried to cover up its intentional effort to mislead the nation to war. Sadly, the trial will also serve as a touchstone for how the Beltway press corps completely lost its way during the Bush years and became afraid of the facts — and the consequences of reporting them.
In so many ways, Mary Matalin stands as a cautionary tale to the very media folks that she has, for so long, sought to manipulate into printing her bidding. Arianna summed up Matalin's credibility gap months ago, during Matalin's disastrous appearance on Meet the Press just after Vice President Cheney shot his hunting companion in the face, with this concise description:
But the segment began with Tim basically giving Mary the first third to lay out her side of the story. It was bad enough to just have an administration mouthpiece on to regurgitate talking points, but why not allow — in old Meet the Press fashion — the journalists to question her? Maybe Mary demanded some solo time, but, if so, it didn't serve her boss well.The impact of her appearance was to make the whole story seem even less under control than having a beer and shooting your friend in the face. As for what she said, there were so many intelligence-insulting lies and half-truths it's hard to know where to start.
And there it is in a nutshell — not just about Mary Matalin, but also about so many people connected to Vice President Cheney and the Bush Administration. Arianna got it exactly right: so many intelligence-insulting lies and half-truths it's hard to know where to start. The trouble with Mary is that she's told so many of these whoppers that she no longer knows where they start and end — so much so that she had to call back into the Imus show this morning to correct her earlier unscheduled, phoned-in correction of what she says she said or meant to say or may have said to Scooter, but maybe not.
Petard. Meet hoist.
UPDATE: Bless Duncan. He's got the transcript for the call-back up. And it's a doozy. Here's a taste:
You can't twist our words or mischaracterize our conversation. You said to Kelly just now that I essentially deny this. So let me be clear, crystal clear.
If Scooter wrote it down, then I said it.
I don't remember saying it. I was trying to explain to you what it could have meant. What it does not mean is that Tim literally hates Chris.
But if Scooter wrote it down, then I said it.
So don't say I deny it, or don't characterize it in any way.
If Scooter wrote it down, then I said it….
Ummm….as Duncan asks, can you tell what her talking point was for the call back? Can you say "questioning Scooter Libby's credibility during his criminal trial was not smart"? I can. I can also say "someone placed a call to Mary and asked for an immediate correction on the record." Any guesses on who that might have been? (Hi, Babs.) (H/T to CityGirl.)
The fine folks at Crooks and Liars have the clip up of Matalin's performance on Imus. Do take a peek.



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Zoot Sims!
YIKES! Mary.
Christy!
“I do not like anyone – I’m being redundant here – who purports to be a purveyor of truth and serving the public by serving the truth out there who flagrantly is making up stuff.”
My loathing for Mary is exceeded only by her own self-loathing.
mc at 5 — Yes, that was quite the Gordian knot of a sentence, wasn’t it. Calling Freud…
Christy -
One correction: again attempting to use the Imus Show to
pedalpeddle…Great piece, Christy.
And thanks for listening to Imus, so I don’t have to.
Go FDL and Godspeed.
Here’s an invitation. When the server load gets high, as it is NOW will AGAIN this PM — you may wanna join some of us at a live-chat on another server, over at
http://gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
It’s a fun kinda chat-app. We’ve had as many as 65 folx in there at one point yesterday. It’s a good place to discuss off-Libby stuff… Rayne introduced it a few days back and imho it’s cool. Sometimes we get harrassed by hackers, in which case we retreat to a private redoubt. Others of us know how to get its URL to you without publishing it here.
If you wanna join us, C U over in chat-land. Remember, because Gabbly runs on a completely other server somewhere on the ‘net, using it’ll take some of the heavy load off the FDL servers while this “single combat by proxy” proceeds… Go Fitz, Go FDL…
Hint: Use two browser windows. Put the above URL in one, and the real FDL (this one) in the other. Position the windows where you can see both the chat about FDL and the real FDL. Refresh only the latter.
EW at 8 — This morning, it was worth the sacrifice. *shudder* That cowboy hat ensemble and schtick of his creeps me out.
LOL! She could be talking about her very own dearly beloved Serpent Head.
She also said she was going to take $500 that she would otherwise donate to Imus’ ranch that he runs for very sick children and give it to the Libby defense fund. Classy!! Bet she would also like to take that back.
Whew!
Christy’s snarkometer has the needle pegged today!
Let me see if I can boil this down, Mary Matalin is a tool for a fool, yes?
here’s something that’s bothering me;
that the talking points are being repeated as conversation and therefore being gonsidered true
for instance, libby is saying they needed to get the story out, that cheney didn’t send wilson…in fact, cheney did send wilson, it’s in his own notes, in fact, cheney did know wilson, it’s in his own notes
and people actually claiming the wilson report indicated saddam WAS attempting to buy uranium when we know as a FACT it was BECAUSE of the wilson report the cia INSISTED the uranium buy claims get removed from the sotu
so the talking points get repeated because they are part of the conversation and people will believe the talking points were true
here’s what’s true
wilson WAS sent at the request of cheney, it’s in cheney’s own notes
cheney DID know who wilson was. it’s in his own notes
wisons report DID NOT vindicate the president’s uranium claims, it said the reverse and both rise and tenet said in no uncertain terms the uranium claimss SHOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT INTO THE SOTU
so those are the facts, it doesn’t matter that liars are repeating their lies in conversation
Leaving gabbly (come on in, the water’s fine) to note something.
It is by no means clear that this lifting of the veil would be so apparent for all to see without the FDL crew. Getting this out raw is going to throw wrench in the narrative construction business.
Pach, in his post a few days ago about the media, talked about how narratives get created, and that he was seeing it happen all around him. Different reporters would make different comments, and gradually a consensus view forms.
First, having someone there watching it, changes this process, heisenberg-style.
Second, the narrative that gets woven needs to pick and choose its material. If the raw material is out for all to see, then this is a much more difficult task.
finally, this trial is the perfect storm. It’s people watching the press watch a trial that is largely about the press. They’re going to have a hard time putting the curtain back up.
Woo-hoo–go, Christy! I’ll bet your fingers are smokin’ – I could hear the white-hot pace of your writing.
This is a piece I’ve already started emailing to friends/family. This woman has so lost it, and you’ve nailed her.
Petard. Meet hoist.
Spotlight. Meet Fred Hiatt. And Dave Broder.
(When I get home, that is).
Christy:
Thanks for the post. Fantastic piece, and right on the money. The tandem Bush Administration-DC press corps specifically, and extending to US MSM in general: This tandem is now self-destructing.
After this trial, and especially after the way FDL has covered it, and also in light of FDL Team’s research into all the facts before the trial, US MSM will never be the same again. How people get their news in this country has–and will–change forever.
This is a truly historic revolutionary moment. The paradigm has shifted. To borrow a phrase from academia: The politics of the US media signifier has been transformed forever.
Matalin is of the Katherine Harris strain of PSYCHO. SOOO great watching this all play out. I feel like a sports addict must (never understood the sports addiction until now). On the edge of may seat for weeks now. GREAT coverage FDL crew.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 10
This would be your “Imus Exception” then?
And I agree about the couture. I know too many working folks who wear cowboy hats that would be offended by the schtick – but then again, they’re off working when he’s on and are spared the ordeal.
HI Christy interesting stuff,
Re: “Mary Matalin stands as a cautionary tale to the very media folks that she has, for so long, sought to manipulate into printing her bidding.”
She has certainly been given enough rope to hang herself. But I fear another cautionary tale – one that will comback a bite the DEMS. During the Clinton years the MSM bent over backwardss to attack Clinton to prove that they weren’t the “liberal” Media. I fear that the coporate big wigs who own the press will turn the critism of thier lack of investigation of the GOP into an excuse to turn rabid on the DEMS and the next DEM Pres regardless of their veracity and integrity.
Very good post Christy! Time to leave Matilin and her hubby on the discard pile.
My loathing for the Matalin/Carville traveling freakshow knows no bounds.
-GSD
“impromptu” call to Imus?
HAH!! I hadn’t heard that yet, figured Imus had called her. Oh what am I saying?
Of course Matalin made an “impromptu” call…although I do wonder how she manages to drink coffee in the morning with DeadEye’s arm so far up her backside.
Christy—brilliant! I love to see Mary Matalin get what’s coming to her. She is contemptuous of American voters, and now her lack of principles is being shown in public. She deserves every bit of pillorying that comes her way. Thank you.
Peterr @ 20
It’s a RADIO show. He doesn’t dress for MSNBC or anyone else. Most radios and tv’s have some sort of tuning device, on-off switch and volume
switches. If you don’t like him turn it off.
His positon on McCain and Lieberman are ridiculous but he takes them to task everytime he has them on. Who else in the dreaded MSM calls Cheney a war criminal every day?
Back when Matalin just loved Matthews…
MATTHEWS: Here’s the charge and I want you to distinguish between sexual assault, which I thought was the charge that might have dealt more with the Kathleen Willey type of situation where the president did, pawed her, whatever…
snip
MATALIN: He is a serial sexual sociopath…I don’t know any one of these cases that hasn’t proved to be true.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h022699_1.shtml
As I did not listen to Imus, who hung up on whom? Don’t tell me Mary hang up on Imus and then called back? OHHHHH NOOOOOO. What a fool, and so is her husband.
Rayne @ 24
The first call was scheduled, she called back when Imus said she said she didn’t say Timmeh hated Tweety!
Re: US MSM and Don Imus in particular, here’s what The Economist (an interesting source) had to say last year:
My bold.
This vulgar sociopath is rearing children too. Good God.
Maybe we can get Mary Cheney to adopt them.
-GSD
raven at 26 — We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that one — because he’s had a tv contract with MSNBC for quite a while to televise his “radio” show. So you like him, I’m not such a fan — let’s leave it at that. He’s not perfect, neither am I, noris anyone else who does political commentary. Bt the point of this piece had nothing to do with Imus — and everything to do with Matalin trying to use him as a useful tool. Capice?
It is not clear from Swopas last post on the bottom of the last thread whether court is on lunch break or not.
It would be EXTREMELY helpful if this could be made clear every day.
Anybody know?
Actually gabbly water not fine. DOS attack in progress. These people really do hate America.
Q: What are the two main stories that firedoglake has covered in the greatest depth?
A: (1) The Lamont/Lieberman race and (2) Traitorgate
Q: What do these stories have in common?
A: Well, many things. But I would like to point out just one.
Both stories have served to unearth, expose and clarify in exquisite detail, certain entrenched power structures that exist in Washington D.C.
The Lieberman story, particularly, after the primary, taught us all so much about the values of national Democratic figures, both politicians and pundits, along with many individuals in the media and in organizations like NARAL and Planned Parenthood. The race between Lamont and Lieberman presented a clear choice to be made between loyalty to party and the values it stands for, and loyalty to an individual (Joe Lieberman). We all watched as individual politicians, members of the media, and special interest organizations like NARAL and Planned Parenthood made their choice – and the choice was a binary one. We had an unobstructed view on the whole process, informed and advanced by the commentary and journalism of firedoglake.
Now we have Traitorgate and similar patterns are rapidly emerging. Only now, our window is not so much into the values and choices of our politicians and special interest groups, but rather into the values and choices of our journalist and pundit class in Washington D.C. and elsewhere. As in the Lamont/Lieberman race, institutions and individuals – in this case, in the media – are being forced into the sunlight, kicking and screaming, by the inexorable grinding of the legal process. The media’s decision-making processes and power-brokering mechanisms are now coming under intense and well-deserved scrutiny.
As in the Lamont/Lieberman race, firedoglake takes a leading role in using the wave of the primary story (Traitorgate) to explore and analyze the entrenched complex power structures that stand in the way of the progressive movement – this time in the mainstream media.
I think this approach has worked tremendously well to leverage the strengths of the progressive blogosphere. And I wonder what the next firedoglake story will be.
Are Mary Matalin and Katherine Harris related? In terms other than their sickening GOP sisterhood? They are so frightening to look at! Stepford Wives kinda scary.
Mary is completely amoral. I’d be hesitant to ask her what time it is, as she might lie out of reflex.
her kharma done run over her dogma ………
-bubba buddha
Neil at 33 — I put a note at the bottom of the thread — yes, they are at lunch and will be back when they’ve had a bit of refreshment and a break.
CivilUncivil war erupting now at MSNBC – who knew?–edited to reflect reality
OK, then why the necessity for all the protracted dissembling and (illegal) lying? Why not just go hugely public with the NIE and Plame to ALL of the press at the outset?
We know why. Matalin, that is the most lightweight shit I’ve ever heard.
_
GSD @ 23
the Harpie ‘n Twerpie Snake Oil and Linament Revue.
And it gets even more fun. Mary freaked out that she had just undercut Scooter’s credibility by denying the words in his note. Big UH-OH. She called Imus back per Atrios:
http://atrios.blogspot.com/200…..5007187828
“You can’t twist our words or mischaracterize our conversation. You said to Kelly just now that I essentially deny this. So let me be clear, crystal clear.
If Scooter wrote it down, then I said it.
I don’t remember saying it. I was trying to explain to you what it could have meant. What it does not mean is that Tim literally hates Chris.
But if Scooter wrote it down, then I said it.
So don’t say I deny it, or don’t characterize it in any way.
If Scooter wrote it down, then I said it.
…
If he wrote it down like that, whether or not I remember saying it it’s irrelevant. If he said that then I said that, and it sounds like something I would say. In the same way I would say Wilson is a snake or anything else.”
—
jayackroyd @ 34
tubes suffering from gabbly-gook?
punaise @ 42
The Cajun’ Crab and the Ragin’ Hag Extravaganza.
No lie left unsaid.
-GSD
CityGirl at 43 — Oh, yay! The rest of the transcript — was waiting for that! Thanks much. :) (I’ve also asked the folks at C&L to see if they caught this today — it would make a lovely clip to play. *g*)
With traffic here at an all time high, I’d say the message will get out.
Imus, Tweety, Timmy and the Pope were all very helpful to Bush/Cheney for both (s)elections. Fake Cowboy Imus bears some responsibility for his part in promoting the Fake Cowboy to his audience. It won’t wash off no matter how much he lampoons Mary Matalin.
The Washington DC “talk radio” station, 1260 AM, which carries much Air America programing, had Don Imus on about a year ago. There were SO MANY listener complaints that they dropped him after a very brief stay.
this whole thing reminds me of Don Henley:
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry
. . .
Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybodys pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry
We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we havent told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!
What a great summation of the consequences of Patrick Fitzgerald. He definitely knows what he’s doing…
And the “Watergate in reverse” quote containing the role of Woodward in all this. A perfect circle and a window to see the absolute corruption of Cheney/Bush and their cronies in the press.
Huge thanks to Jane, Christy, Marcy, Swopa, and all others for always keeping us informed of this investigation. And thanks to every FDLer who kept FITZ at the top of all the comments.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
I’m from the West side of Chicago. . .I Capice. I thought the point of your piece was great. As I said, he drives me nuts too but his work with kids, his fund raising for the Intrepid Fallen Heroes fund and indicate to me that he is more than just a loudmouth aand a blowhard (which he is).As far as Mary using him as a tool, I guess in the sense that she was on at all that is true. It didn’t seem to me that he was being used as he railed at her for being a liar. thx
Petard, indeed.
I watch Imus pretty frequently – he has great guests – inspite of his support for Joe Lieberman and being kind of creepy. This morning was the BEST. Matalin totally hung herself over the challenges Imus posed about whether Libby was lying that she’d said Russert hated Matthews. Not only did it play out with her calling back to correct herself, but he replayed both calls just before going off the air at 10am – I happened to be running some errands and had the radio on and he’s on WFAN-AM in NY though MSNBC stops airing his show at 9. She sounded ridiculous and screechy and downright dishonest.
Christy, I’m really grateful that you posted this because it was great political theater and a telling moment. Even though Imus is a knothead at times, I continue to watch because I KNOW he will have renounce his support of McCain and Lieberman sooner or later.
I see it as a case of jumping the shark, that moment when one passes from a kind of kooky to caricature. Much the same happened with Ann Coulter. In the beginning, there was at least a pretense that she was representing a legitimate conservative point of view. Of course, in her case the situation is much more advanced. She has become a caricature of a caricature.
So though Mary Matalin may have gone off the deep end, it doesn’t mean she has gone away. Like Coulter, she will be increasingly consigned to the fringes where the final stages of media decrepitude will occur.
Here’s more from the same article in The Economist, titled “The Rebirth of Outrage“:
My bold. Interesting prediction.
Peterr @
20
Anyone here having sympathy pangs for Carville?
Thought not.
WRT the media, it looks like they’re starting to eat their own. Is canibalism a sin?
hackworth @ 48
you know guys, as far as corporate media, Imus has been much further to the middle then just about anyone on radio…he’s not center but I does critisize republicans which is something nobody else does
I gained some respect for Imus over the past few years for bucking his corporate sponsers
sorry
And, in real time, we’ve all gotten to learn from former WH and VP press secretaries just what outlets are friendly (read: those media outlets that allowed us to prattle on and didn’t ask us anything uncomfortable but merely acted as our own personal steno pool), and what ones were considered hostile (read: those media folks who asked questions and had the nerve to expect answers).
This is the best point about the media in all this.
The second best is having Russert admitting to facts that show his complete hypocrisy: 1) blabbing freely to the FBI, but insisting on his right not to have to testify. 2) Treating all remarks from any government official as confidential, and then voicing disinformation by speaking only that portion of the news that some government officials want heard, while respecting confidentiality as to the rest.
As you sow, so shall you reap.
In Europe, people gather in various town squares to drink and people-watch.
In the midst of the people-watching, musicians set-up and play.
If you tap your toes, the musician will come over to you at the end of the song with his donation box – it’s considered correct to give for the enjoyment.
We call it the ‘toe-tapping’ tax.
So, if you’re enjoying following the live-blogging of the Libby Trial here at FDL – ie, tapping your toes – please consider ‘giving’ to support the cause by using the ‘donation’ box that can be found at the end of each article.
Thanks, and
Go FDL!
Mary deserves background music everywhere she goes. Don’t you all hear the wicked witch of the west on a bicycle right now? For that matter Timmeh should get the theme from Mr. Ed.
I remember the episode of the West Wing where CJ said something along the line of, Meet the Press with TR, the toughest interview out there and nobody is watching. I wonder how many WW viewers took that somewhat seriously? I noticed they changed the name of sundays shows to Hard Copy pretty quickly after that, but some damage was already done, imo.
Anyway, I hope Don Imus was laughing out loud this momrning…
As always Christy, great post.
It’s a RADIO show. He doesn’t dress for MSNBC or anyone else. Most radios and tv’s have some sort of tuning device, on-off switch and volume
switches.
The reason he travels out to NJ to do the show in the MSNBC studio instead of in WFAN’s basement studio in Queens is because he is on tv. You obviously don’t listen–he constantly complains about how he looks on the teevee.
The racism level has gotten toned down in the last couple of years, although it still rears up periodically.
I updated the post above, gang. Just FYI. Thanks again CityGirl — was hoping Duncan would get the call back transcript up. :)
zzzZZZinngggg!! Gorgeous, CHS… :)
“said she said she didn’t say”
there’s a great example of the consumate contortionism of our communication conundrum…
James Carville and Mary Matalin: I have never understood this marriage, and why it’s working. But then again, who knows?
Hey Mary…you hosted a dinner party at your house to raise funds for Scooter, right? did you all get your stories straight?
WHO IS MEL SEMBLER??? WHY IS HE HEADING UP THE SCOOTER LIBBY LEGAL DEFENSE FUND? HERE’S WHY:
WHEN was he Ambassador to Italy? Does 2002 ring any bells in your head? Well it should– remember all the secret meetings in Italy involving Ledeen et al, and the forged documents about uranium from Africa that turned up at the US Embassy that October? Yes, THAT October 2002…. So we have Sembler at the scene of the crime related to the crime Scooter is being investigated for.
WHO ELSE HAS RUSHED TO LIBBY’S DEFENSE?
Sounds like a PNAC Picnic roster…
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/4299
Well ! You’d think all these people are just meeting each other for the first time. Maybe after this is all over someone can reintroduce them: “Mary meet Chris, Chris meet Tim,” and so on . . .
On last thread: I think it’s very psychologically telling that Timmy uses the word transmission to describe his conversation with Scooter Libby, i.e. Scooter is the transmitter; Tim is the receiver.
Biodun @ 68
Poison Pill, oh talk
Radiofreewill: GREAT analogy!!
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Good afternoon, FDL friends!
Fantastic photo and post, Christy.
Have I missed anything juicy or otherwise interesting so far today? Did Wells provide records from Timmeh’s dentist saying that Timmeh admits that sometimes he forgets to floss before going to bed?
I don’t know how any of you have the stomach to watch or listen to Imus. I’ve managed to handle about 2 minutes of him, and then I have the irresistable urge to throw things.
Another correction: Maitlan is quoted as saying, “Other than you, and maybe this has happened to you, when anyone else who purports to be an objective analyst goes on the air and bashes your principle as they’re called, and in this case it was the vice president, then you call the bureau chief and you complain.”
I believe a person with the highest authority in a group is called a “principal.”
Republicans have no principles.
Visit the Schapira blog, What we know so far …
“… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”
CityGirl @ 43
Or, probably more accurately, Matalin hung up the phone, had a call waiting from Barbara Comstock saying, “What the fuck are you doing, questioning Scooter’s credibility in the middle of the firewall trial!?!?!? YOu call Don back and recant. Recant! I tell you.”
I can’t wait until Ted Wells gets Mary on the stand, since his sole defense of Scooter seems to be the Don Imus defense.
James Carville and Mary Matalin: I have never understood this marriage, and why it’s working. But then again, who knows?
It’s not that hard to understand. People at that level do not become emotionally involved with their candidates or their causes. It’s considered unprofessional to drink the Kool-Aid. There’s a point to that as well. If you get sucked into the spin, you won’t be able to evaluate it any longer.
It’s about money, not political causes.
TREASONOUS, IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES BY POTUS AND VPOTUS:
____
a snippet of Libby’s grand jury testimony…
Libby, looking at his notes: … this is Steve Hadley saying, no question, it’s better if we leak the [National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq].
Fitzgerald: What does that mean?
Libby: Steve Hadley is saying that it would be better if we got the NIE out, and “leak” means telling it to — giving it to a reporter to say, you know, here’s something you can write about. It’s like an exclusive or something like that.
Fitzgerald: And had the NIE been declassified at that point?
Libby: It had in the sense that the president had told me to go out and use it with Judith Miller. I don’t, I don’t know that Mr. Hadley knew that at that point.
Fitzgerald: OK. And did anyone decide to leak the NIE that week?
Libby: Well, the president had told me to use it and declassified it for me to use with Judith Miller. I don’t think Mr. Hadley was told to go out and talk about it. I think Ms. [Condoleezza] Rice had talked about the NIE in general earlier in the week on television.
Fitzgerald: And so –
Libby: Well, some time. I’m not sure when it was.
Fitzgerald: So, prior to July 10th, you had talked to Judith Miller about the NIE?
Libby: Correct, sir.
Fitzgerald: And your understanding is that even though it was a classified document, the president had authorized you to talk to her about it?
Libby: Definitely, sir.
Fitzgerald: And then — and do you know if anyone decided to share the NIE — did you tell Mr. Hadley at the time that you had already in effect leaked the NIE by — with the president’s approval — by telling Judith Miller?
Libby: I — yeah, I don’t know if it’s leaking once it’s declassified and you’re told to do it. I had talked to Judith Miller about the NIE at the president’s, you know, at, at the president’s approval relayed to me through the vice president, and I did not tell Mr. Hadley at that time.
Fitzgerald: And was there any reason why you didn’t tell Mr. Hadley that you had told Ms. Miller about the NIE?
Libby: I was sitting with the vice president. The vice president knew it and chose not to tell Mr. Hadley, and so I didn’t change what he had done.
_____
“…the president had told me to use it and declassified it for me to use with Judith Miller.”
Mr Bush, can we see the documentation regarding such “declassification”?
Didn’t think so. I’m sure such is “classified.”
(putting aside the loudly begged question of why they simply didn’t go massively public)
If this crap doesn’t rise to impeachment level, then we oughta just strike that section from the Constitution.
_
all these repeated airing of MTP clips prove the lack of questioning and /or follow-up questions by Russert
hack hack [cough] excuse me
Thank you Christy. I haven’t been reading through the comments, just the main post to get the goods. Swopas last post says:
I guess what I’m asking for is an unambiguous annoucement in the main post “Court on Lunch break 12:32.” “Pause while tape is fixed” kept me here waiting for more.
Ooooooh, a posting and comments on the Wicked Witch of the West melting into oblivion. Or as I love to call her…Medusa. Can’t wait to read it.
Today is truly Matalin’s Tom Cruise jumpin’ the sofa moment.
Should Matalin be called to testify, do you suppose Fitz will introduce transcripts, or better yet, video, of her Imus rants?
Yes, absolutely.
If it wasn’t Comstock, it was DeadEye.
Comstock?
Drinking liberally.
jayackroyd @ 64
I obvioulsy do listen and I understand that the show is on MSNBC TV. My point was that he considers his show a radio show that is broadcast on TV as well. There are other examples of this, Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN is one.
LandOfTheFree at 72 — That’s the funniest damn thing I’ve read all day. I am going to find a way to use that flossing comment somewhere. Kudos!
Ignore my 10:o9.
Marcy answered it while I was typing.
I am catching on to this web of traitors, finally.
noblejoanie @ 81
What would her testimony have anything to do with the charges at hand?
LandOfTheFree @ 88
Goes to her credibility, or lack thereof
*xyz #35,
Very well written and I agree. I would also add as per looseheaddrop that the focus of this trial for Fitzgerald is not Libby or the media. It’s Cheney. This is the one venue that Cheney can’t control, that he can’t insta-declassify or ignore the law out of. This is Fitzgerald’s turf and if Cheney wants to come and play in it, he is going to have to play by Fitzgerald’s rules. That’s the beauty of it. It’s all indirect. It all passes through Scooter but it goes back to Cheney. Cheney may never be charged with anything to do with this but Fitzgerald has shown that Cheney was the one who was pulling all the strings.
Maybe it’s wrong, but I can’t help watching this house of cards collapse in front of our very own eyes – thanks to all for the view.
For years now, I’ve been waiting for this and I will savor every moment, every lie, every half-truth and denial and like a fine wine.
In the words on Commander Codpiece “Bring it on!”
It will be fascinating to see how Brian Williams covers this tonight. Kelly O’Donnell was just on MSNBC from the courthouse talking to Noron — saying pretty much “move along, nothing to see here.”
Must be squirmy times in editorial meetings at 30 Rock. Oh, the humanity!
Seems that Matalin is employing the Nixon defense: “I know that what you thought you heard was what I said, but what you heard was not what I meant.”
Some things never change. :)
Biodun @ 55
And coming from “The Economist.” However, I do have to suspect their motives for printing that. But, yes, interesting, nonetheless.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 10
Actually, I just read about it on Echaton. Apparently Atrios read it or heard it, but he’s got the transcripts. I can’t stand Matalin, so I would have changed the channel if she was on even if I tuned into the show momentarily to see who he had on. Normally, I can’t listen to the show for more than 5 minutes at a time because I can’t stand Bernie, or many, many of Imus’ other little no-talent friends. Besides, Imus is always eating (and talking with his mouth full) or taking drugs on air, soo…
Really off topic, but what’s up with IgNorah’s cleavage on MSNBC today? Quick — someone get that girl a dickie before she catches a massive chest cold.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 86
Glad to give you a chuckle. Feel free to use it liberally.
It reminds me of a phrase an old friend used to use – you might like this, too. Whenever someone would ask him to do something he really didn’t want to do, his excuse was, “Sorry, I have to stay home and floss my cat.” Greatest sarcastic excuse ever.
From Christy’s Atrios link above on Matalin’s call-back. Matalin to Imus:
Quick typo flag in case it wasn’t already noted, Christy, ’cause this posting is so terrific it’s gonna go viral. Search for “uncofmrtable” should be uncomfortable.
You’ve gone platinum, girl.
Biodun @ 98
El linky es muerto!
Take ‘em DOWN Christy!!!
Something’s buggy for me about your paypal page. For about the first four times I tried, it changed the State code–I’d put in OK and it would post as Pennsylvania, or South Dakota, or Texas. Finally got it to stick with OK, then it did the same thing with the expiration date on my card. I’d put in 09, and it came out as 2016, or 2020.
I’m sorry. I tried to contrib, but I give up.
I do love your work. It’s “rivitin’.”
“And I wonder what the next firedoglake story will be.”
How about the lies that led this to war in the first place? Here in the Libby trial, we see the first public pieces falling into place, so lets put that puzzle together before, during and after our lawmakers decide to uncover it.
That’s my vote for next project; the WMD deception.
Bobby G said:
If this crap doesn’t rise to impeachment level, then we oughta just strike that section from the Constitution.
“…the president had told me to use it and declassified it for me to use with Judith Miller.”
Mr Bush, can we see the documentation regarding such “declassification”?
Didn’t think so. I’m sure such is “classified.”
Like Carnac The Magnificent, Bush holds document to forehead and thereby he can declassify and reclassify any portion at will; He then granted this ability to the VP.
Its all for our own protection against turists. Prolly built into the Patriot Act.
Liberal Heart @ 96
I think she’s pregnant with twins. Maybe they are alert and “on the case” in utero — unlike their unfortunately dim mother.
“manipulative media machinations”
“malarky”
Nice.
You left out ‘meretricious’, which I believe best describes Matalin’s
mendacity.
Biodun @ 98
I jsut can’t get over how spectacular Mary’s recantation is, on the very day that Libby’s lawyer introduces the new legal principle of Imus’ Rules of Evidence.
Damn I hope Jon Stewart catches this.
Matalin’s main outlet was MTP. She just screwed herself out of that venue. Think Timmeh’s or Chris is going to have her back? Nope. Her other outlet was CNN – they won’t touch her with a 10 foot pole. Fox of course, will still have her on, but that is it. Bye, bye Mary.
See, see what happens when you get into bed with these folks? Run in the other direction and start doing some independent reporting.
LandOfTheFree @ 73
LBJ: “If I flossed Cronkite, I flossed the country.”
Biodun @ 98
Sure sounds screechy. Me thinks the chain got yanked REAL hard.
Funny, in today’s rawstory is an article about
impeachment….
although it has nothing to do with the treasonous crime of exposing a CIA operative, or waging illegal wars. It has to do with the border patrol… “Now, I tell you, Mr. President, if these men — especially after this assault — are murdered in prison, or if one of them lose their lives, there’s going to be some kind of impeachment talk in Capitol Hill,” Rohrabacher said.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0208.html
Another thing is “Did Russert forget he was a lwayer”?
Mercy me –
“You can’t twist our words or mischaracterize our conversation.”
Cause that’s MY job, bitch.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 63
That is so funny and frighteningly true.
Mauimom @
72
Umm, no. PBS is still, hands down, the best television on television and could use your support. Discovery Channel, TLC, History channel, all those “better” channels that I occasionally watch are just whole channel versions of what PBS has been doing for years. Think about Nova, POV, American Experience…TV just don’t get any better than that.
I was watching “The Supreme Court” last night. At the end of the episode I turned to da Ho and said “y’know that makes me think…” He interupted me with “Precisely what PBS does best, isn’t it?”
Please don’t move your donations, just add a new worthy one to your list.
obDisclaimer: my ho works in development at a large PBS/NPR system.
punaise @ 109
Oh, that’s good–even for you…
Speaking of viral, this has GOT to be taken up by Jon Stewart!
I mean that wicked witch call back: are you looking at me?!!! Priceless.
noblejoanie @ 89
I guess I don’t understand how Matalin’s credibility has anything to do with the charges against Libby (perjury re: Timmeh, perjury re: Cooper, providing false statements to the FBI about his interactions with each of them, and obstruction). I missed the whole morning, so perhaps I missed an important nugget of info that ties her into the perjury, false statements, or obstruction by Libby. Is there evidence that she directed or advised him what to say to the FBI investigators and/or the Grand Jury?
I do have to say, after reading Christy’s summary of what happened on Imus, I wish I’d seen it. What a hoot – not only did she put herself into the position to look like an idiot, her repeated phonecalls to keep spinning the story as it careened off the cliff were hillarious! Too damn funny.
Matelin’s “message”:
Matelin:If Scooter wrote it down, I said it.
(3X) Bippity, boppity, boo…
To Russert: If Scooter wrote it down, you said it.
To Cheney: If Scooter wrote it down, you said it.
Scooter: But, I don’t recall if I wrote it down or what it meant if and when I did or didn’t write it down since I don’t remember what I don’t recall forgetting to disremember what I thought I knew when and if I wrote it down.
Hugh @ 90
I agree that Fitzgerald seems focused on Cheney. What I also find interesting, as I mentioned in my post above, is the way that the investigation has served as the battering ram to break down the gates of the media fortress, and the way that the journalists at firedoglake have swarmed in right in the wake of Fitzgerald. We have used the investigation and trial as an media awareness/information bonanza. It is very similar to the way we used the Lieberman/Lamont race to develop a much better understanding of how the Democratic party operates, and how it shuts out progressives.
In both cases, the primary phenomenon, whether it was the political race or the traitorgate investigation, served as an access point for firedoglake to investigate and pick apart certain entrenched power structures that impede the progressive movement and the functioning of a healthy democracy.
People like Mary Matlin make their living being articlate and precise in what they say to the press and public. So the lie shines right through when she talks about how her words didn’t convey what she was thinking in her head.
It’s one thing if you’re Joe-Bob 18-Wheeler-Driver, but not if you’re Mary Matlin.
Oh, the banality of evil. These people are not very crafty at all in how they go about doing what they do.
I just hope the Democrats don’t let her chrome dome husband work on the 2008 campaign.
punaise @ 109
Nice, very nice.
Jane (NYC): The twins are on her chest.
Christy, thanks for that post! I had read that earlier on Eschaton and was really perturbed by that wicked witch. Great smack-down. Maybe Chris will have her on his show and ask her, “seriously, do you want us to believe that Cheney did not see the report — the un-redacted report? The report has been declassified and unredacted and there is evidence in this trial that proves that Cheney and Rumsfeld saw that report.”
Anybody have a guess as to what Andrea Mitchell’s testimony will sound like?
Will we see this kind of dream headline? “Big shake-up at NBC News – Andrea Mitchell resigns to spend more time with family – NBC spokesman says not related to Libby trial testimony – Tim Russert taking time off to nurse injured ankle – Cliff Schecter to sub as host of MTP”
Liberal Heart @ 96
Norah is pregnant with twins … I heard a guest congratulate her a few days ago and maybe has wardrobe issues at this point. Most women in the first months develop a bit of extra cleavage long before they buy maternity clothes.
Like her or not, pregnant with twins is a big challenge.
Valerie just had a set of twins too.
I spotlighted this post to Olbermann, fwiw. The spotlight function is very easy to use–just clink on the Spotlight link in text under the share and enjoy icons, and follow the directions!
Share and enjoy, people. :)
punaise @ 109
Classic! ROFLMAO!
i’ve just skimmed the days proceedings, walton ruled that mitchell would NOT appear, right?
imus exception and all?
who is up after tim?
Thank you FDL for filling the enormous vacuum left by our widely corrupted mainstream media.
Mary Matalin’s deep cynicism is part and parcel as to why this administration is in such deep shit.
Thank you for making this point.
*xyz @
35
“Warrantable game”. Jane spots it with unerring eye, hunts it down to it’s lair. A mighty huntress is our Jane!
Thanks be to Jane, Christy, Pach, Emptywheel, Swopa and the Invisible Lurking Mods.
Sacramento should be put in time-out. We’ve given the world:
John Gibson
Don Imus
Rush Limbaugh
Yikes!
(Does David Gregory mitigate things a little bit?)
Don’t begrudging the hate, a whole lotta hate to go around.
Timmeh and Mary and Scooter in the Cheney backyard treehouse “CHRIS HATERZ KLUB” All club officers presemt, Honorarius Preznit, Cheef Exec Vice Preznit, an everbody gits a Stenographer Emeritatus Badge with Gold Twinkles.
Timmeh will be on Imus tomorrow:
OT. Marcy has a post up where it seems a guy named Cox is trying to co-opt her into joining an MBA feed for the AP. And she aint happy.She is protecting Jane like a mother bear.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/
May have remarked on but my favorite two bits from Swopa’s live blogging this morning were:
I agree it is not Judge Walton’s place to undermine our justice system. That’s for Libby, Cheney, Bush, Addington, Yoo, Hadley, and Gonzales.
Stop, you’re killing me. Which reputation? The compliant poodle one?
Also I loved how 5 minutes for Wells turned into an hour and still counting. That’s worse than the end of a football game.
irt today’s diane rehm show about libby trial and marcy’s book-
when ms. rehm spoke here last year, she said how many books she receives a week, don’t remember exactly how many but it was a lot..a thousand is the number that sticks in my brain….. she looks through them all……in order to be considered for the show for a book, you must submit it-must mail her a copy……submission protocol is available on her website…….
to just have marcy be a guest on a topic might be another route to go, too, when you write your letters…….
i was rather surprised by some commentary by the guests, pleasantly….and not so surprised by other parts. many good points were addressed. and in a different tone than i have heard so far. a few mis-directing (see the shiny object) things, too. my favorite comment is when diane says that there seems to be an awful lot of sloppiness going on here–irt reporters’ ways…..and some good comments made by callers…..
i encourage everyone to listen to the show
diane rehm email is drshow@wamu.org
website for audio of show is
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/07/02/08.php#12608
go fdl “plant your seeds and watch them grow”
SusanM, I shouldn’t have said cleavage because that’s not what struck me — it’s the neckline plunging to her knees that just seems so off for an afternoon anchor to wear to work.
Of course, here I sit in a turtle neck and sweat shirt, so I shouldn’t be doing fashion commentary.
kristinejoy @ 128
Oh yeah! This is just the kind of stuff Keith loves – and is so good at mocking. And it happened on his own network!
raven @ 100:
Sorry. Here’s Christy’s Atrios link.
(hee hee)… did somebody mention
aplaque?Am so glad the media can focus on the “Air Pelosi” dustup. Fills airtime and helps them avoid what’s happening at Prettyman.
This “Planegate” is like oxygen to the Rethugs.
punaise @ 143
Well, since the subject was “or, though, Don, sure.”
and did anyone else notice that the amazon ad on this page is now showing
letters to my daughters
by
mary matalin
no kidding……..i couldn’t believe it
hilarious
ccmask @ 112
He’s a lawyer, Period. And he doesn’t know that you can’t have an attorney in with you while tesitfying before a grand jury? How can he NOT know that?
excuse me, please pay special attention to the emoldened which I have cenveniently provided for your cheney pleasure;
She and the cue ball deserve one another
dmac @ 146
That’s the downside of targeted advertising. Amazon’s computers process the content and then put up an ad that seems to match. I don’t think it’s going to generate much sales for Mary here, though. :)
dmac at 145 — We had the Scooter Libby book up the oter day as the feature. Too funny! It’s hilarious how the word recognition stuff sometimes picks out the most ironic choice, isn’t it?
new thread
Thanks for the link Bustedknuckles.
Here’s the thing- Russert and Matthews are NOT journalists. They are not products of J-school or the journalistic school of hardknocks.
They are pols through and through. For them news is about power, negotiation and compromise. It is not about reporting what they know to be true.
Bustednuckles @
136
good for you, Marcy!
Fresh liveblogging goodness from Swopa, up and running…
Bustednuckles @ 136
Wow. Great job, emptywheel, for showing this guy the door. It sure looks like he just wants to use the Libby trial (and use good bloggers) to give himself more power and perceived clout.
I ran into this blog, the “Maine Web Report”, which apparently joined the MBA team and is liveblogging the trial, sort of:
http://www.mainewebreport.com/…..-testimony
The liveblogging is not nearly as complete, comprehensive, or informative as what FDL is providing. I was skeptical when I saw that it claimed that the MBA is the first group of bloggers ever credentialed to blog a trial. I thought FDL was (but maybe I was wrong… or, maybe both FDL and some of the MBA consortium writers were credentialed at the same time).
Either way, it just made me appreciate even more what we have going here.
Oh and OT to emptywheel: I can’t make it to your book signing tonight. Gotta work. Please make sure to post when you’ll do another in the Ann Arbor/Detroit area. Have fun!
Poor Mary, she can’t he’p it, she was born with a Chee-knee foot in her mouth. Oh, my, Ann and Molly must be lookin’ down and hootin’ about this one!
Mary’s friendship circle will shrink ever smaller:
“And, finally, in the case of Chris unfortunately – he used to be a friend of mine”
And this zinger [paraphrased]: my girls tell me not to get upset about “Anus In The Morning.”
Betcha he’s never heard that one before. S’pose Imus’ feelers are hurt?
As they melt down, they all ooze back into the schoolyard sandbox, don’t they?
punaise, montag, et al, is this some mutual mastication society?
old gold @ 153
And it’s about how fattening GE’s bottom line serves to fatten their own pocketbooks – substantially.
Christy do you know anything about Carville and Luke Russerts radio show? Luke is Tims son. I think it is a sports show. Anybody??
Fun post Christy. Well done.
couple of typos:
Matthews’ questioning beging to impinge
didn’t ask us anything uncofmrtable
I’d have fixed them myself but last time I did, the R sent me angry dog pictures. ;)
I can understand anyone’s aversion to Imus. I also must admit that I watch his show often. Despite the fact that he goes out of his way to be an ass, he also has the most intriguing guests and asks the questions we all want answers to. Not only that, it seems that while he plays the fool, he is actually very well-read and quite generous with both his time and money. This a.m. he was asking everyone if they thought Russert was lying. No one else came even close to suggesting that.
JEP @ 158
I can’t speak for montag, but I am indentured to the quest for a chuckle: chews life!
There is nothing Matalin could say that would make me believe anything she says, when did she stop being an advocate for the VP and start telling the truth during that Imus conversation?
I’d more easily believe the opposite of what she says… and that reminds me, didn’t the NIE support Wilson rather than the OVP re: Niger?
MaryM has said that the Libby trial is an example of the criminalization of politics… it is, the OVP engaged in criminal activity for political payback against the Wilsons.
The best part line from her visit to Imus today was her story about what her children call her:
“Anus in the morning.”
Perfectly sums it all up.
Can someone explain to me how many sealed indictments their still are and what happens with those?
thanks is advance!
Bustednuckles @ 136
The press blew up Richard Nixon with Watergate. They-who-rule thereupon acquired the press. Now its bloggers whohave blown them up. Now they are trying to acquire the bloggers. Someday it may happen, but not today.
Net neutrality and honest elections are the tools we need to preserve.
punaise @ 154
I think it is Smack’em Down Day at FDL! Good job, Marcy. Good job, Christy! Go FDL!
CHS. Beautiful! Just absolutely BEE-OOO-TI-FUL!!!
I usually re-read things I don’t understand, but will pass by a 2nd go at the Matalinprattle. She makes my brain hurt, & no amt. of re-visiting could possibly untangle that mess she spewed today.
ohdearohdearohdear. another fallen warrior, tripped up & hopelessly entangled by – herself & IMUS???
You just can’t make this stuff up. *Yeeowch*
FDL crew in DC. Please look twice before crossing streets while you’re in the evil city. I hear-tell some’a these bandits might be gettin’ a bit cranky fer some reason…
Is Maury still on the telly-scene? How ’bout a panel discussion by a gaggle of beltway shauffeurs? Oh the tales they could tell….
p.s., LOVE the graphic.
lolo @
160
60/20 Sports on XM Radio
punaise @ 163
Ever searching for the sparkling e-namel.
If Wells wants to contradict Russert with Mitchell’s statement on the Imus show; Wells has to call her as a witness in his case. Walton’s right to preclude the video/audio tape of Mitchell’s claim that everyone knew about Wilson’s wife; it’s rank hearsay. As Fitz said, there is no Imus exception to the hearsay rule (nice line by the way). Had Mitchell quoted Russert as saying, “everyone knew about Wilson’s wife”, that would be a different, more interesting, argument. Even then I don’t think it comes in unless Wells calls Mitchell as a witness and gets her to testify to it.
bellesouth @ 146
You wouldn’t know that if you’d never actually practiced law.
Jeebus, Marcy, that’s the way to put the media bloggers in their place!
And you might remind AP that DOJ.gov and the whitehouse come here for their Fitz fix.
Bustednuckles @ 136
I wouldn’t call it OT at all.
Good job Marcy!
IMO, it’s well worth reading in its entirely, pups.
I had a sudden tinfoil hat thought.
Mary Matalin and James Carville are good personal friends of Tim Russert. Almost every year, on the MTP show just before Christmas, Timmeh has the Matalin/Carville duo on the show to do their vaudeville schtick. They’ve often brought the kids. They’re all lovey-dovey, and Timmeh gives the kids presents.
Three things occur to me. One, this may be how Matalin knows that Timmeh hates Tweety. Second, perhaps Matalin thought that her close personal friend Timmeh would be sympathetic to Scooter’s complaint — perhaps she told him to drop her name?
Third, is it possible that what Timmeh was trying to avoid disclosing is that Matalin called him first to tell him that Scooter would be calling, and suggested to him that Scooter would be using the call as an alibi?
My third point is pretty wild speculation, since it assumes that Matalin was in on the outing Plame strategy, and that Matalin told Timmeh about it. Or maybe she just told him, “Scooter needs help with something, he may characterize your call later, and you should just confirm whatever he says about it.”
And now, I will take my tinfoil hat off and put it back in the closet.
Trolls, hackers, information manipulators, criminal obfuscators, FDL disseminating unbleached info about a corrupt relationship between the upper echelons of the world’s superpower and its fourth estate. In the spirit of hindsight…
Are you backing up your traffic? Are you documenting hackers and trolls? If you are truly part of the solution to the problem of exposing corruption, then you are also part of the problem (to some folks w/alot of resources)to keeping it hid. And as you know, people will do just about anything to keep it hid.
What is being done,right now, to assure you can access everything you might need or want to have for a congressional hearing at some point in the future?
It’s very heady to be making history and know it in the moment. Someday you guys may be subpoenaed about this. Who the hell knows anymore.
litigatormom @ 175
Oh, my. Your tinfoil was wrapping up some very interesting food for thought. It would also explain why NBC’s lawyers blew a gasket.
. . . “mischaracterized what was in my mind” . . . . How is that done? Surgically? Telepathically? Psychically? What BS.
She and hubby James Carville have elevated lying to an invincible artform. Make them go away.
tweety has often been aggravating and part of the beltway bubble, but he deserves props for his show during the plame period because on every show he would keep emphasizing the echo chamber media tactics of the administration. i remember watching during that period and being pleasantly surprised. there are other periods where he’s an ass, but props given where props due.
Maddie @ 165
This brings up a point, should Matalin be commenting publically about the case, about her statments in evidence at the trial and in the GJ, what if Team Libby calls her as a witness?
Biodun @
68
It must be the sex…but that weould mean both are seriously sexual deviants…and so I would never suggest that!!
Mary told a little lie,
Her teeth were white as blow;
And everywhere that Mary went,
Her lies were sure to grow.
They followed her to court one day,
That was against the rule;
It made the bloggers laugh and play
To see the lies exposed.
And so Dick Cheney turned her out,
Yet still she sputtered lies,
FDL waited patiently near
Till Mary called Imus back.
“Why does the Veep love Mary so?”
The eager bloggers cry;
“Why, Mary loves the lie, you know,”
Arianna did reply.
ccmask @ 127
A bit of trivia:
Valerie’s twins are a SECOND set of twins for Joe Wilson (had a set in his previous marriage).
You can draw whatever conclusions from that fact as you wish.
BobbyG @
77
Brilliant! Great observation…and one that clearly implies that Fitz is looking at BIGGER ISSUES than merely the leaking of Plame’s identity. Note that Fitz has always used the term “the leaking of classified information”…a far more general statement. And he is clearly looking at those that might be involved in a broader conspiracy…including Hadley, Rice and even the President…who may have acted to post-hoc…protect someone who intentionally leaked National Security information.
Also note that the DEFENSE has not subpoenaed to get the dates of the declassification order for the NIE released. Fitz hasn’t since he doesn’t need them to establish his points in this trial…but it’s clear that the WH has refused to release this information or other documentation on dates and orders of declassification that Cheney or Bush have undertaken either.
Bush’s own executive order doesn’t allow such concealment “to protect from embarassment or criminal activity”…but of course that text is a carry-over from the Clinton Executive Order that they probably didn’t realise might need to be deleted!
She and Carville are so personally tight with Russert – going to ball games, etc – I have to figure she knows perfectly well that Russert hates Matthews…said as much to Scooter…but now it’s public and she shouldn’t have used that personal knowledge in her political gamesmanship.
One more boundary crossed in a great, wide trampling, smashing, utter destruction of boundaries. And all those expendable human beings dead as a result.
And didn’t Scotty McLellan say that the section of the NIE that they used to imply that Iraq was seeking yellowcake was declassified July 18th!
That’s weeks after all these folks are already leaking it, making it part of their talking points, etc.
And Scotty said
“…the reason why the National — portions of the National Intelligence Estimate were declassified. It was very much in the public interest. I think what you have to do is balance the public interest with protecting national security information. And at that point in time, what was disclosed in the National Intelligence Estimate provided important historical context for the public debate that was going on about the intelligence. And so … that’s why it went through a process, and there was nothing in there that was being disclosed that would have compromised national security.”
Now this describes the specific process that IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWED for the declassification of HISTORICAL MATERIALS.
But that “process”, if legally followed allows for challenges and notifications by all agencies affected, and the evaluation by a Committee consisting of representatives of the Defense Department, DOJ, CIA, State Department, the National Archives, and the Asst. National Security Advisor. THEN, if the action still involves a possible disclosure of intelligence assets or operations, the Director of the CIA can still APPEAL, and then the PRESIDENT can overrule.
This is not “insta-declassification”. In addition, any declassification or reclassification is supposed to be archived with dates and who authorized the declassification. It would be hard to justify keeping this information secret itself, unles the person who declassified the material was themselves classified, in which case a legitimate redaction might occur.
If the NIE was declassified the date should be publically available and the procedure followed, if there were challenges, also noted. This should be a matter of public record, available from the National Archives, Director of Information Security Oversight!
http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html
BTW does anyone know exactly HOW the comments of Matalin were presented to the jury in the Libby Trail. I know that the word “snake” was somehow redacted…but was it bleeped out, or what?
It would have been interesting to hear Libby saying something like Mary Matalin said “Wilson’s a [bleep]…Go to Russert…he hates Matthews!”
If it was bleeped out it might actually make Matalin seem like a profanity spewing potty-mouth in real-time!
And then Russert presents Libby spewing invective at him and Matthews after following Matalins advice! All this makes it seem as if the WH and OVP were getting really heated about Wilson!
Biodun @
68
Me neither. But what is worse is that how is it that Carville is on the talk shows day after day as THE expert Democratic insider? I have never been comfortable with him as a spokesperson for the Democrats, and my hope would be that they cut him off the payroll without another penny and find someone who (a) doesn’t shill for the DLC, (b) isn’t married to Mary Matalin, and (c) doesn’t look like an alien from outer space.
What the Dems need for a spokesperson is someone who looks and talks like John Edwards– you know, someone whom you’d like to invite to your house for a Sunday afternoon barbecue.
Bob in HI
Great post, Christy!
MM went through all of the GOP talking points. Like Libby shouldn’t be on trial because the FBI knew there was no crime committed because Plame wasn’t a covert CIA agent when they interviewed him, etc.
By MM’s logic, Ken Starr had no reason to question, hold and threaten Monica Lewinsky because her affidavit hadn ‘t yet been filed. Bill Clinton hadn’t yet given his deposition. No crime, no foul.
But Plame was covert, says Fitzgerald.
Maeven’s got the video of it all up.
mary sounds nervous, good reason
as she has conspired with others on treason
she dishes it out
won’t take without a pout
and does jail require clothing for seasons?
Matalin says:
“When Novak had that leaked name there.”
What a bizarre way to state that
Novak willfully disclosed the name
of a CIA operative, despite the fact
the CIA had called him twice to
tell him not to.
You know, I disagree with Boehlert in one fundamental way.
Maybe the reason the press corps didn’t follow-up or go in for the story is because they thought what the white house was doing was bullshit.
Lemme explain…
-Wilson writes his op-ed in the Times.
-The WH and OVP go immediately to a political smear job, trying to cast Wilson as a dude on a junket (kinda like the way Cheney tried to smear Richard Clarke on Limbaugh after 9/11)
-Libby, Fleischer and Rove fan out. They try to leak this wife connection to EVERYONE. Here’s the important part, the reporters don’t really bite. Basically, it sets of their bullshit meters.
The reporters don’t follow up on it because they sense it’s a bullshit smear job and they don’t want to dignify it with more digging or printing or whatever. Also, they probably don’t realize it’s a crime.
-Finally, GOP hack Novak dutifully prints it. (and of course immediately sings to the fbi and fitzgerald). Miller wants to print it, but she’s stopped by her DC editor. Cooper holds out awhile but finally gives in and testifies.
In other words, I don’t think in this case the press corps was cowed and scared, I think they thought they just wouldn’t bother giving this idiotic and lame smear job any attention.
The press corps didn’t realize it was a crime though and decided not to pursue it.
excelent piece
LindaR @
133
I knew about Limbaugh – he started in the seventies with a liberal talk show.
Joan Lunden – nee Joanie Blunden when she was on local tv
HEY!
Don’t malign Malificent that way!