Ted Wells was all over the place today trying to mount a defense for his client. With Russert on the stand, he spent copious amounts of time trying to establish that Russert could have told the public that he had told FBI agent Jack Eckenrode all about his conversation with Scooter Libby but he didn't, and then chose to claim First Amendment privilege in order to keep from testifying before the grand jury. Which may in fact make Russert a crap journalist who cares more about access and membership in the "club" than someone possessed of any sense of journalistic responsibility, but it did not seem to have any bearing on Russert's story, and whether he either lied or "mis-remembered" in his testimony. Wells tried to establish that Andrea Mitchell (who once weirdly claimed at one point that "everyone in the Washington Press establishment knew that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, before retracting it on Imus — Crooks & Liars has the bizarre tape that was played in court) was in such close contact with Russert that Russert would have undoubtedly known if she did, and therefore might have had motive to lie. Fitzgerald argued that this was just not relevant, and ripped the line of the day:
“If we allow this line of questioning we might as well throw out Wigmore on Evidence and replace it with Imus on Evidence….There is no Imus exception to the heresay rule.”
Wells then moved on to try and prove that Russert and other members of the NBC news team, specifically Tom Brokaw, were gleeful on the morning that the indictment was due to be read, and thus had a motive to set Libby up. Fitz objected on the grounds that on the morning of the indictment, nobody knew who was going to be indicted — speculation ranged from Cheney to Bush to Hadley to Rove, so how would a bunch of newsmen being excited by the specter of big news be indicative of malice against Libby?
Walton allowed Wells to question Russert on this front, specifically with regard to an appearance Russert made on Imus in which he referred to that morning as "Christmas Eve":
Wells: And possibility of Mr. Fitzgerald being Santa Claus?
Russert (bewildered) No.
So much for Fitzmas.
Wells also commented that Russert looked awfully "happy" in the photo they were using. Russert noted that it was, in fact, a stock photo. Is this the best research Barbara Comstock and that huge pile of Libby defense loot can pay for?
Fitzgerald's redirect was short, elegant and brutal:
Fitz: Did you take joy in Mr. Libby's indictment?
T: No and I don't take pleasure in being here.
F: Which is bigger news, possible indictment or actual indictment?
T: Actual indictment.
F: What do you remember personally from October 28, 2005?
T: Press conference was a network interrupt, which was significant — and then hearing my name, which was jolting. And then Brian Williams talking me about the case and asking me to explain my role, which I did. First time in my life I'd heard my name spoken by a prosecutor.
F: Any chance Xmas and surprises was personal joy at seeing Libby indicted?
T: Absolutely not.
F: Remember reading anything that day?
T: Possibly news articles.
F: Did you read indictment?
T: Yes, I think it was released after the news conference.
F: What did you read?
T: Parts invoving things I was claimed to have said.
F: What did you think of those things.
T: That they weren't true.
F: No further questions.
And with that the prosecution closed. It's hard to know where the defense plans to go — at times they seem to be claiming that Russert had a bad memory, at others that he was lying to cover his ass, and then at still others that he was lying because of malice toward Libby. But it never seemed to come together in some kind of consistent, cohesive view of what happened, and unless they can shake the jury's faith in Russert it's going to be tough to get them to believe Libby's story. The jurors seemed restless and uninterested throughout Wells' cross-examination of Russert, and aside from coming off as a bit of a scum for his First Amendment hypocrisy and his opacity with regard to how easily he gave up Libby's "confidentiality" to FBI agent Jack Eckenrode, he came off as credible. Team Libby didn't manage to find any chinks in his armor that really seemed to cast much doubt on his really quite simple story about his conversation with Libby.
Wells wants to call Andrea Mitchell when the defense begins next week, hoping to somehow establish that Russert might have known that Valerie Plame worked at the CIA before the time he spoke to Libby on the phone. He'll also try to put Jill Abramson on the stand to impeach Judy Miller's credibility.
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Fitz!
Me too!
Can we start calling Russert Canary now?
Tweety & the Canary
Jane!
Where exactly are Imus’ sympathies?
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In the video, played with the jury out of the room, Mitchell said she and other intelligence reporters who were trying to find out who went to Niger knew that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA. Since then, she has recanted that, claiming she got confused about the timing referenced by the questioner.
Because Mitchell worked for Russert, the defense claims this would undercut his story that he first learned about Plame from a July 14, 2003, column about Plame and support Libby’s story that Russert told him on July 10 that lots of reporters know about Plame.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..leak_trial
So that’s the pecking order, eh? Learn something new every day.
Hey Jane –
I’m loving the summaries – but you might mean Andrea Mitchell, sted Andera in the first graf.
Sorry – spawn of editors.
[Mod note; thanks, refresh your screen and it should be corrected.]
Great work Jane.
Thank you!
I can’t wait for these synopsis every night!! Thanks so much Jane and Swopa!! Hope you are having a blast doing this, because we sure are.
Are you guys – Swopa and Jane – going to rest up at Plame House for the weekend or are you going home?
Great work Jane and Swopa.
I was very impressed with the jurors questions for Timmeh. It sounded to me as though they wanted to believe him over Scooter.
Jane – great work. This is something we can’t get
anywhere else. Certainly not from the WaPo.
I can’t make up my mind if this is the setup for a punchline or the punchline itself.
As for Andrea Mitchell, I have the feeling that she will stick with the “I really don’t know why I said what I said” line she came up with originally. She won’t look good but so what? She can join the club. None of the other reporters who have testified so far have either and it hasn’t helped Scooter’s case an iota.
Oops – and I think it’s the hearsay rule, not the heresay rule.
I’m done now.
The jurors’ questions seemed to show they did not buy the defence arguements. They asked the simple question: did Russert know about Plame before Novak. Seems the jury is not interested in shiny objects.
Great report you two !
Wells would argue that Scooter’s right to a fair trial depends on waiting til Walton dies in his chair.
The saddest thing of all to emerge from Anna Smith’s death is what is going to happen to her baby daughter? What kind of life will she have?
I know — it’s the Terrist-plot-featuring-evil-islamofascist-double-of-I-Scootius-saying-bad-things-to-journos defense. Details classified, of course.
Re Andrea Mitchell, I think she got caught up in being one of the people ‘in the know.’ You remember them, the ones who want to be cool, to know all the inside gossip. She told a fib — indicating that she knows everything.
When she knew squat. Her wanting to be kewl is going to bite her back hard.
“He’ll also try to put Jill Abramson on the stand to impeach Judy Miller’s credibility.”
Heh heh. That shouldn’t be too hard if he really wants to go there.
I’m sure you are sick of hearing this, but you guys fucking rock.
Chorus:
TEAM FDL!!!
steve ex-expat @ 20
I doubt that Abramson can improve on what Judy’s already done herself…. (!)
Scarborough apparently giving up his show completely to the dead blonde woman story.
Jane and swopa, you’re awesome! the politics tv wrap-ups are good food.
one request: swopa, please slow down! relax, you’re among friends.
I know y’all are trying to pack a lot of info as little bandwidth as possible, but dang!
Andrea Mitchell is full o’ crap. She recants & says she didn’t know about her role at the CIA. But to me, Andrea knew she worked at the CIA, but the covert part was a big surprise.
She says that they were so focused on whether there were weapons of WMD. That’s why tonite, while all this is going on, Anna Nicole becomes the news item on every channel tonite.
When will they all hand in their reports about the missing weapons?
Heh. Cracks me up, the vid says, “Then things got WEIRD” before launch…
Makes me think of Hunter S. Thompson: When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
Oh, we are so there, in Weirdville. We are now about to reveal the pros.
Given the strength of the case against Scooter, I wonder why he just didn’t fall on his sword. His acolytes could have argued he was doing so not because he was guilty, but because of his deep concerns that a public trial had the potential for compromising national security. Then, in appreciation of Scooter’s patriotic sacrifice and because all the sordid facts would not have been known, the Decider could have pardoned him.
If I’m Well’s I’m going to rip Andrea Mitchell a new one. She didn’t just forget, she mis-remembered, “like Libby”.
I’m playing devils advocate of course.
Apparently, the Christian Coalition has weighed in on the Air Pelosi business.
The Christian Coalition is just about out of business themselves, but they just can’t resist one more dying gasp to backhandedly support the Republican religious right. And, Lou Dobbs is flogging this as an example of the Dems’ wretched excess.
Bring back the Fairness Doctrine… before it’s too friggin’ late.
Watching you people every evening is soooooooo coooooool.
I also am thinking of Anna Nicole’s family tonight. She had a tragic life and the family of that old man she married have been brutal.
And as for the news (hahahah) channels, a dead blonde beats a crazy brunette Astronaut any time, anywhere.
Jane & Swopa;
Don’t you guys live in California? Speaker Pelosi is running a luxury air shuttle to the coast, discounts for partisans and press. I saw it on Fox News.
Been reading, been watching. Contributed – best money I’ve ever spent on media (I won’t pay for cable, strictly OTA, and net). Accolades are deserved and clearly earned. Seminal moment in communications. Watched the video for the first time, a bit disorienting to see the writing I read being a person. Video uses sun as lighting, wind machines on high, makeup artists apply elsewhere. Wardrobe, get me wardrobe! NOT. Production values? We don’t need no stinkin production values. People, intelligence, analysis, articulation equals real news.You are totally stealing a march on CMSM.
FDL post awhile ago linking this point in political blogging with the emergence of punk. Punk MSM, because your the mainstream to me and an incredible amount of other people.
Patti Smith:
I awakened to the cry
that the people / have the power
to redeem / the work of fools
upon the meek / the graces shower
it’s decreed / the people rule
The people have the power
The people have the power
The people have the power
The people have the power
Oklahoma kiddo @ 5
See Christy’s great thread about Matlin from this morning where we discuss Imus Trouble with Mary and the Grumpy Radio Cowboy on tv!
Jane and Swopa, trading off back and forth like Huntley and Brinkley! The Pros from from FDL are on the scene. No detail is too small for them. No picture is too big for them. They Get It!!! And we Get it too!!! Now a word from our sponsor… .
The gop are giving Pelosi a hard time and what have they all said about the missing billions?
Thanks again for all of your hard work and insight on reporting this trial.
I’ve asked a question a few times before and I’m not sure if it has ever been answered…maybe it can’t be.
If a ‘reporter, journalist or media pundit’ has a security clearance or is involved in the intel agencies, is that ever required disclosure? In the model of Mockingbird, some of these reporters’ actions are easier to understand IF it is considered that one might not be able to talk about some subjects that others (not clearanced?) could. That same detail could also be used in another way. If an admin member knows that a reporter has a security clearance, then some information might be shared but with the confidence that the undisclosed clearance would prevent a reporter from explaining all of the truth.
From a journo/reporter perspective, which is worse for credibility, getting caught awkward or having to publicly admit to being an official intel tool?
God love ya — what a great daily TV wrapup!!!!!
Glad I hit the PayPal button again today, with $0.07 at the end. You folks are using our money SO well.
THANK YOU SO MUCH
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PS — Jane should have her own microphone (but you knew that) :)
Fox news can go to the dark place where it is really hot.
And Pelosi should release anything that officials have said to her about taking a different plane. But I heard she said she would just take commerical airlines from now on.
hey Jane or Swopa, or who ever was there to see Timmeh squirm;
I had a question about body language while they wrestled with the sidebars and questions about what could be asked, to what seemed like a great deal of time. Fitz made some objections that appeared to stop Wells cold when he looked like he was going over the line.
From the transcript, it sounded like the two sides both had a lot of restrictions about what could be asked Timmeh. It seemed like there were numerous pre trial agreements that kept testimony about this matter in a very confined space. I got the impression that they damn near discussed the matter of him having testimony for something else and it caused a little stir. Am I way off here? or did anyone pick this up. I can only hope that the observed body language during this exchange might be revealing.
Wow, a whole day of Timmeh on Trial (what is he guilty of again…being a hypocritical mediawhore? I didn’t realize that fact was in dispute and/or on trial here). It really seemed to draggg today (I just read all the threads as I had to work all day). Is Well’s trying to bore the jurors into acquitting his client?
Sounds like Wells’ stategery is to indirectly impugn the credibility of the many witnesses that all remembered the story the same way instead of say actually disproving (with corroborating evidence) that their version of the story was completely and totally wrong. Yup he still needs to prove that Libby’s story is actually the truth and that he didn’t perjure himself as charged. If he only sticks with the former strategy without having Libby testify in his own words as to why and how all those other witnesses are lying and are wrong and why LIbby’s version of events and the story is the correct, then I say that is a horrible strategy and one that won’t work. I know the defense has yet to give us their side of the story and there’s still a long way to go…but even so I can’t imagine that you are charged with perjury etc and you decide to mount a defense against these chareges you don’t testify in your own behalf here.
But if Libby testifies it’s very risky for cross, as his grand jury testimony demonstrated, and I don’t imagine he’ll be pleading anything…especially with the civil case looming in the background.
btw, Hi Barbara….hope you are enjoy the Fitzmas season as much as we are.
Over the weekend, Scooter will be visited in the night by three ghosts (fitzmas past, fitzmas present, fitzmas future) all showing him the error of his ways. Monday he will tell his lawyer he wants to take the stand in his own defense. Then, with the whole world watching, he tells the entire story, uncovering every lie and felonious act committed by the Bush administration for the last six years.
Oklahoma kiddo @
5
Joe Lieberman and himself, not necessarily in that order.
ccmask @ 37
From the little I have read and seen they are happy with Bremer and his cohorts misplacing the $$’s. I heard they were giving crap to the Blackwater widows when they appeared, very condescending. Pelosi won’t lose her cool over this. C&L has her Faux News interview up and she handled Greta really well.
Waxman is going to grind the administration into tiny bits.
Russert was never pristine — he’s just a hack with a little more class than Hannity and O’Reilly. He simply wasn’t on Libby’s short list or he’d be singing a different song this week. The introduction of Imus tapes shows how desperate the defense is. The jury seems competent enough to see it for what it is. Let’s hope Libby gets a fair trial and there are no grounds for appeal for either side.
sweetgumroot @ 33
DOBBS: Lisa, let me see if I’ve got this right. She wants a plane that accommodates 42 people, private stateroom — and the reason is because she wants to be able to go nonstop from Washington to the West Coast? My goodness, she could have done that in Hastert’s — in the plane that Hastert was using.
Did Dobbs ever correct himself here? Hastert’s plane was too small to go non stop.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200702060013
TRex @ 44
And kids with cancer and wounded soldiers. But he’s surely offensive!
TRex @ 44
My contempt for Joe Lieberman knows no bounds.
Should I be adding Don Imus to the list?
neurophius @ 49
Sure, don’t find out for yourself, just do what someone else tells you.
raven at 50, who is this comment directed to?
Sure, don’t find out for yourself, just do what someone else tells you.
At least there was an Imus out there for Matalin to make a fool out of herself this morning.
Great summary and highlights of the day — you two are the 21st century Hepburn and Tracy. Where’s George Stevens and Ring Lardner when we need them? I’m loving every one of your PoliticsTV appearances. The truth WILL out!
Sorta OnTopic: I’m wondering if the VRWConspiracy’s increasing noise about the Pelosi Plane is a coincidence — happening at the same time as the trial about Valerie Plame’s exposure. Karl loves to appeal to and confuse the barely tuned-in low-information voter, and I think there’s a reason the volume keeps going higher on the plane “controversy” the same week some newscasts give two or three minutes to the Plame-related trial.
GrandmaJ @ 40
Pelosi as Speaker and 2nd in line to the Presidency is required to use military transport. The sergeant at arms of the Senate requested a larger plane for her since unlike Hastert her immediate predecessor she lives on the other side of the country and for security reasons a plane that could make the trip non-stop was needed. The Republican troglodytes in the House immediately jumped on this to impress all the wingnuts and yahoos back home. It was like most of the recent attacks on Pelosi a calculated setup. We can expect more of this.
TeddySF – ya think Rove is thowing chaffe in the air to distract? Guaranteed. I don’t have to have Andrea Mitchell telling me that either. We have gone from disturbed astronaut to the death of a very distraught blonde woman. But there are still some shows that are giving the details.
shuster played much of the Scotter tapes relating to Tweety himself on Hardball.
Has anyone heard from Mrs K8?
TeddySanFran @ 53
I guess honest news folks who saw that connection could solve that by talking about the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson…or valerie wilson.
>>>>Fitzgerald’s redirect was short, elegant and brutal…
old gold @ 28
If the likes of Barabara Comstock are paying the lawyers then how likely is it that Libby will ever be advised to flip, even if it’s the best advice for reducing his prison sentence? Not at all likely, imo. Follow the money.
He may be a pawn in a larger game.
Hugh at 54, I had heard something about the someone had requested a bigger plane for Pelosi but thanks for confirming it.
Pelosi should just say she will take commercial flights until the Sgt. at Arms goes public with their request for a plane for her. Make them publicize the truth of the situation. I am so sick of these people… so are we all.
GrandmaJ @ 51
neurophius @ 49 asked “should I be adding Imus to the list”. I understand that Imus rubs lots of people the wrong way. His stance on McCain and Lieberman is whacky. However, every time he has them on he hammers them on “this stupid war” that NO ONE but you thinks we can win. Unlike Matlin, who used to be friends with Tweety but isn’t anymore because of his politics, Imus has stayed friends with these two dopes. Here is a piece from wikipedia on him
I see no one else in the MSM taking this sort of stance. Anyway, I’m hiitng the rack. I’ll read this at 5am.
Ex-Rice Aide: Memory Lapse on Iran “Really Quite Curious”
This is fascinating.
AZ Matt @ 45
This story has been vastly overblown. They said 365 tons of cash were sent to Iraq. This simply isn’t true. I was just reading today it was only 363 tons. *g*
dab from CT @ 56
Dab, I’ve been looking and I haven’t seen her yet.
I think all the excitement must be getting to Jane- 3 weeks ago, that would have been
He’ll also try to put Jill Abramson on the stand to impeach Judy Miller’s (heh) credibility.
no matter- becuase that’s exactly how we all read it anyway!
I kinda have a love/hate thing with Imus…….. or, maybe that’s too strong. Sometimes he’s amusing, and sometimes he’s disgusting. I live on the W. Coast, so I only catch him when I have insomnia, which, blessedly, isn’t that often.
Hugh @ 64
But you know a pound of cash here and a pound of cash there can add up to .. many pounds of cash!
raven,
I was not suggesting that I would “just do what someone else tells” me to do. I don’t know Don Imus. I don’t know much about him. I don’t live in his broadcast range. Maybe I could find him on the Internet if I tried, but I haven’t had reason to do so. TRex gave me some information I did not have before–that Imus apparently is a fan of Joe Lieberman. I value the opinions of people who comment at FDL, and the information they can provide me. That includes you. Thank you for broadening my awareness about Don Imus. Thanks also to TRex for the same.
Hugh @ 64
Must be metric.
Lindy @ 63
Dang! It must be the water in DC.
neurophius @ 69
he’s on MSNBC 6 to 9 a.m. eastern Mon. – Fri.
AZ Matt @ 36
what he said. what a way to start a new way of life in the media. go to trial, live “near” transcript blog out to the world. real, and actual, non gun barrel, fascist stomping, democracy in action
i thought i noticed in judy’s testimony that she built in a little wiggle room for jill abramson. she still calimed to have gone to her about the story, but when she told the jury about it i believe she added that jill may not have been paying attention to her (sorta like ari and the reporters). so even if wells drags jill in, all fitz really has to do is read back judy’s “she may not have been listening” comment and it sort of sucks the air out as far as “contradicting” miller’s testimony.
AZ Matt @ 68
I just have this image of people carrying off the cash in wheelbarrows and sending it home in old books or whatever.
smiley @ 70
That’s because the British govt learned it.
Legal Procedure/strategy questions:
On Monday def council calls first witness? Must def give a list of other witnesses? In order? What would be defense motivation to call back Punkin’, judyjudyjudy, agent bond, others?
Will defense drag out the direct on his own witnesses like he did the cross on gov witnesses?
If so does that give Fitz more leeway, on cross, to explore some of the speculated extenuating theories (Darth and Chimpy’s leaking, for example)?
What would be a realistic best case scenario of defense witnesses from the perspective of a) the def and b) the gov?
Questions not directed toward any one person.
and,I”ve been meaning to make a salute to someone: ))) JOE WILSON ((( aaah. said it.
e.c. @ 74
Or, Abramson could simply say, “yes, she told me that, and I thought it was more of the same shit that the administration’s been feeding her for years, and I didn’t want to deal with it, so I ignored her.”
lina @ 43
I Love Dreaming Big.
Actually, the Sgt.-at-Arms has already shouted above the din:
From ThinkProgress
We’ll see if it matters.
Cue the music– not the rest of the lyrics, just the wonderful energy–
“Jane, Jane, Jane!!!”
Many thanks for reporting and interpreting!
oldtree @ 73
Yeppers.
FDL := Samizdat, on steroids
digby opines on the press/DC celebrity phenomenon… with more than a bit of disgust.
The Smokescreen Man
Nicole Belle over at Crooks and Liars pretty much sums up my contempt for people like Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) and for those who are putting him up to this crap:
sweetgumroot @ 77
All I know is from Jane’s kick-off post above:
Seems there’s a LOT riding on the Russert conversation. If Tim is telling the truth then it would seem a very steep mountain to climb for the defense. They seem so determined to climb it that you almost have to wonder if Libby is lying to his own counsel.
prostratedragon @ 80
I hope Speaker Pelosi takes pity on those poor ol’ Repugs who attacked her for this, and turns off the heating in their offices.
Since these Repug blowhards seem to be able to generate their own heat, the country has no need of paying any additional heating bills.
Speaker Pelosi: “Payback is a bitch, and Speaker is my name!”
lina @ 43
reminds me of my favorite exchange on last night’s HARDBALL:
MATTHEWS: Where is the president during all of this? Is he Ted Baxter? Is he just a spokesman for these guys? Howard is laughing because we know Ted Baxter. It seem like all this goes on and he is not even in the frickin‘ – I‘m sorry, he‘s not even in the story. Can I let Howard respond to why he was laughing? Please.
FINEMAN: Well, because the furiousness of their defense here is tragic and comic in retrospect. In the spring and summer of ‘03, I was on the receiving end of some of these phone call for some of what I wrote. Not about Joe Wilson but other things speculating about the vice president‘s motives. And the vice president‘s office was all over everybody. And I think the reason they were so furious was because the president didn‘t know what Dick Cheney was doing half the time. And Cheney didn‘t want to get caught. That‘s my theory.
MATTHEWS: Well, I got visited by at least three archangels of death from that time from that same direction that didn‘t like what I was saying.
lina @ 67
Imus is in the entertainment news biz. Social and political commentary. He purported (like Chris Mathews, O’Reilly, Russert and others) that Dubya was a good and decent man’s man and despite his obvious mental handicap he would make a fine president and would surround himself with capable people (like Cheney). In addition, Dubya wasn’t weird and pedantic like Al Gore and Dubya didn’t claim to invent the internets. Imus and the preponderance of media pundits helped to get the election close enough to steal twice.
Now Imus is abandoning his former hero GW Bush like a rat from a sinking ship. After a period of pretending, posturing and noise making, I predict that Imus will again support the next republican candidate no matter whom.
Mad Dogs @ 86
Well, they’ve already played their anti-fambly values card when they complained about a 4- or 5-day a week schedule would keep them away from their families, so I suspect this is more petulance–not enough energy there to generate much heat. They need to get worked up to truly righteous indignation before they can give off any noticeable amount of heat. :)
Still, turning off the heat on them, anyway, would be a great instance of turnabout’s fair play. Treat `em like the mangy curs they are, I say.
stingray #85,
I posted the charges against Libby earlier today. There are 5. Briefly, these are:
1) Obstruction in the investigation of the outing of a covert agent.
2-3) Lying to the FBI about the conversations with Cooper and Russert
4-5) Lying to the Grand Jury about the same conversations.
The Russert conversation is involved in one charge of lying to the FBI, one to the Grand Jury, and partially underlies the obstruction charge. That’s why it’s important.
The Speaker is upset. The Speaker wants an explanation as to the the reason(s) why Rumsfeld still has a desk in the Pentagon? The Speaker and I, are in accord.
I hope wells is brutal against judy
then I hope fitz calls judy on rebuttle…a women scorned and all that
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
Shredding evidence takes time.
hackworth @ 88
I seem to recall Imus supporting Kerry in 2004 (deriding him mercilessly, but saying he was voting for him nonetheless).
Hugh @ 90
Yes, I read your synopsis (thanks for posting) and also followed the indictment link. Like you say, 2 or 3 depend on that one critical conversation.
It’s a he-said/she-said and it may be possible to split the jurors if they can introduce a bunch of uncertainty.
Wells is trying to introduce the memory defence by inference. He is attacking Russert on memory issues to prove how easy it is for even “the best” of us to get confused or forget important events. The tangent about forgetting the phone call to a critic is not relevent to the case at all, except to point out the frailty of human memory, and the hope the jury applies that inference to scooter. This way Wells can introduce this defence, without putting scooter on the stand as Walton required.
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If you tap your toes, the musician will come over to you at the end of the song with his donation box – it’s considered correct to give for the enjoyment.
We call it the ‘toe-tapping’ tax.
So, if you’re enjoying following the live-blogging of the Libby Trial here at FDL – ie, tapping your toes – please consider ‘giving’ to support the cause by using the ‘donation’ box that can be found at the end of each article.
Thanks, and
Go FDL!
Hugh @ 93
Shredding’s probably too slow. I have a mental image of Rumsfeld’s “transition” staff of eight manned with coal shovels, pitching twenty pounds of docs at a shot into the Pentagon’s basement boilers. They’ve probably kept the entire Pentagon warm since Rummy stepped down….
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
Did I read somewhere he also has staff of 8?
Pectopah @ 96
Then what difference did Walton’s requirement have at all on the proceedings?
You don’t say. On the one hand, I’d wondered whether ‘the defense rests’ might be a good ploy, with Team Libby basically appealing to reasonable doubt. But Fitz has closed that door, even if that involved slamming it on Timmeh’s fingers.
It’s really quite something to testify in a way that seals the deal while looking a complete shadow of your teevee self. Fineman was perhaps wrong to say that it would change our opinions of the millionaire DC press pack, but only just: it’s provided confirmation for our gut feelings towards this primped bunch of insiders. Not least Mr ‘If it’s Sunday, it’s Meet The Press; if it’s confidential, it’s not newsworthy.’
I think we’re in Chewbacca defence territory here.
The Imus thing is really interesting, though. He’s a blowhard and a bigot, but the DC insiders come onto his show and talk in a very different way to when they’re on their scheduled broadcasts. It’s as if there’s no-one listening. It means that it’s always worth listening for the interviews, even despite your nausea at the tone and especially at what comes between.
That’s to say, there may not be Imus Rules of Evidence, but there are definitely Imus Rules of Insider Journalism.
While the servers caused some folks to enter their screen names several times last night and early this morning, the server issues have settled out now…and so should individual monickers.
Let’s pick one name and stick with it please.
radiofreewill…can we use that next week while folks are madly refreshing while we all wait for a live blog update?
toe-tapping tax…I like it.
Andrea Mitchell’s skanky ass on the stand under Well’s examination?
Priceless!
Stingray @ 7:50
IANAL but it’s my understanding that if Libby doesn’t testify, he can’t use the memory defense.
I don’t know the procedure for getting the jury to disregard the stuff Wells has been throwing at them, but they are not supposed to consider it if Libby doesn’t testify.
Please, anyone, correct me if I’m wrong.
That’s just the way I understand it.
Me too. Somewhere in there the delicate dance of making Bush feel like he really was The Decider got disrupted, perhaps through the courtesy of their own two feets.
Thanks, Jane and Swopa. This is very, very cool after all this time you (and we) have been following this to be at the point where Fitz has pounded the final nail and said “the prosecution rests.”
I’ve thought all along that we will see a VERY brief, (if longwinded) defense case and I haven’t seen anything to change that opinion. We’ll have a day or so of lame ass testimony trying to impeach a couple of witnesses until Walton’s patience runs out, but then Wells will say something like:
“At no point has the prosecution ever proven that Mr. Libby, for whom I speak (so he doesn’t have to), has ever intentionally lied or obstructed justice. Without such proof, there can be no conviction. The defense rests.”
Fitz will then pulverize in closing and Wells will read the Hong Kong phone book or something to try to brain numb the jurors. It won’t work.
We’ll see soon enough!
joysness @ 105
Which is why Wells is trying the end around.
*de-lurking*
Hoping Mrs K8 is okay…
*re-lurking*
Pectopah,
I agree but I don’t think Judge Walton is gonna go for that. I thinks he’s had about enough of Well’s tapdancing.
Get Your Newly Released and ignored Fitz Exhibits NOW!
See Libby’s notes of his conversation with Mary Matalin where they discuss the DECLASSIFICATION of a secret cable to attack Wilson’s credibility!
Learn about the meeting in June 2003 where Bush freaks about the Kristof article about the SOTU address!
Find the meeting between Condi, Hadley, Libby and Cheney where they decide whether to LEAK a recently declassified “Wilson” item…or leak the NIE.
Discover that Fitz’s “mysterious” Exhibit GX202 is likely the Grand Jury Exhibit #8 in the batch below!
http://wid.ap.org/documents/li…..7/GX1a.pdf
That’s Cheney’s annotated copy of the Wilson article “What I didn’t find in Africa”
These have some other record numbers 8009501 and LL002-02038.
Apparently Cheney placed it under the glass of his office desk.
This is the one where Libby was asked whether Cheney might have taken it out from there and annotated it. It would be very interesting if Cheney had it taken out and placed in the “locked vault” that only included classified documents.
As pointed out there’s a lot of other other material in the above definitely worth reading/deciphering Libby’s chickenscratch and odd coding.
For example…Libby actually took notes of his meeting with “Mad” Mary Matalin and she gives him all sorts of advice BESIDES just going to TIM (she only uses his first name!)…and YES! She did apparently say that TIM hates Matthews!. [Exhibit 60] For example she says that the stuff Joe was saying would “fuel K Theory” and that it would help “K campaign” [the odd “K” code here is obviously Libby’s for Kerry]. Madelin then says that there is a need to “address Wilson’s motivation” and that “you need to get cable declassified”. What CABLE? And what is Libby sharing the contents of a classified cable with Matalin for! Isn’t that…like…illegal?
Gosh! I just hope that Fitz gets this witch on the stand!
And there’s a very interesting meeting on June 9th, 2003 where the PRESIDENT HIMSELF is very upset about the Kristof article about his SOTU!
Another series of Libby notes (009501- GJ Exhibit #59) has a meeting with Libby, Cheney, Rice and Hadley on July 10th, 2003 in which they discuss declassification of documents relating to the Wilson situation
Hadley says: “ML/GT [George Tenet?] WILSON IS DECLASSIFIED. Starting to declassify NIE. [SH”
CR: “President is uncomfortable. No ? it’s better to leak NIE”
Then there is something that I struggled to decipher that the VP says would be “a mistake”.
So there seems to be a decision to LEAK the less problematic NIE, rather THAN the “Wilson declassification”. Wonder WHY????
Have fun, gang!
[Mod Note; link edited to work correctly]
Thanks cinnamonape – but the link to the documents you provided doesn’t work for me.
lectric lady @ 104
lectric lady! Hope all went well with the op and happy to see that you can see FDL. I see you back!
Scary stuff here:
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From the Wonderful Folks Who Brought You Iraq
The same neocon ideologues behind the Iraq war have been using the same tactics—alliances with shady exiles, dubious intelligence on W.M.D.—to push for the bombing of Iran.
http://www.vanityfair.com/poli…..ouse200703
GrandmaJ @
19
There were lots of “reporters” spreading this “many reporters knew that Wilson’s wife worked in the CIA” meme. I recall that Clifford May and I believe Byron York at the reputable National Review also made the claim. Given that no reporter will actually go on the record or swear to this fact under oath that they personally knew that Plame worked for the CIA before the extensive campaign of leaks from the Administration, I suspect that the sources for this claim were the same as the one that provided the original leaks!
If Mitchell got on the stand she would be cornered into showing that HER “evidence” for this contention was the same list of talking points offered up by the WH and Tubthumplican Party!
dab from CT @ 112
http://wid.ap.org/documents/li…..7/GX1a.pdf
The link above had a space in it.
Lina sez:
I seem to recall Imus supporting Kerry in 2004 (deriding him mercilessly, but saying he was voting for him nonetheless).
A minor detail.
Check out C&L’s Imus/Matalin bit. Matalin insists that the Libby trial is a waste of millions in taxpayer money, Plame was not covert, they know who the leaker was (not Libby) etc Obfuscations half-truths and lies.
Imus managed to squeeze into his diatribe against Libby that Clinton (b/c of the BJ)wasn’t any better than this gang.
Yes, there is little contrast: eight years of peace and prosperity (and lying about a BJ)versus paranoia, ginned up endless war, job losses, crippling deficit..
radiofreewill @ 97
I enjoyed this charming appeal so much I actually donated.. Radiofreewill, you could sell ashes to the Devil!
stingray @ 114
Unfortunately, it was a nice review to date, but there was nothing much new in it that clearly pointed in one direction or another, at least for people who have been watching the news carefully for this subject.
The whistleblowers ought to be coming out of the woodwork on this one, and they’ve been too damned quiet.
Like Vanity Fair, I’m waiting, a bit impatiently, for Hersh’s next article on this subject.
Don’t know what happened with the link to the Fitz Grand Jury documents,
Try this one
http://wid.ap.org/documents/li…..7/GX1a.pdf
It seems to work when I previewed it…despite a space that shouldn’t be in the link. For some reason the other entered some extraneous html matter.
TRex in da house.
So now they’re going to badger Judy? She hasn’t done enough for Scooter already, like sit in a jail cell for months? Gee, Judy, was it really worth it after all that?
Thanks, cinnomanape at 111!
Very juicy! I thought it telling that Team ScrotoScooter stipulated the testimony of the assistant who put in at least some of this evidence. I mean, shit, Wells doesn’t stipulate as to the current century!
They put this stuff in a safe? jesus! All the more reason niether Scooter nor Shooter will take the stand. Can you imagine what Fitz would do with this?
Oh, and as to leakng the NIE rather than the Wilson identity, I think Marcy speculates that the NIE leak was really just an after-the-fact cover…that they wanted to mask reference to what they were leaking and the NIE at least fell in the supposed authority of the Veep.
dab from CT @ 112
Try this, w/o the space in it, and compressed because of some weird glitch in the posting code here:
http://tinyurl.com/2l9vub
I haven’t had a chance to read it yet (first couple pages strangely blank) but at least this woiks :)
Bob Woodward, for one. Weren’t those his words – almost verbatim – when interviewed by Larry King? After all, since it was harmless “non political” Armitage spreading gossip about Plame, surely it was insignificant information that anyone who was anyone in DC already knew.
What a disappointment Woodward has turned out to be. I hope every day of this trial is an embarrassment to him.
sweetgumroot @
33
This is obviously an effort by the Democrat Party to tie up all the troop transport flights to prevent the Presidents “winning plan” from fighting the terrorists there before they come here!
In fact, I betcha that Pelosi is using those flights to smuggle in aliens and al Qaida over the noses of the brave Minutemen gaurding our Sovereignity and American way of life!
dab in CT, LoudounLib, Lindy — pretty sure I read in comments earlier today that Mrs.K8 will be going in for further testing tomorrow. Can’t remember if she said biopsy specifically, but that’s my impression. Asked for our thoughts and prayers, which of course we will give unstintingly for one of our’n.
cinnamonape — boy, you sure had fun with that document dump, didn’t you? I suspect the reason why they were less worried about the NIE is that it had already been cherry-picked and stovepiped, and that media discussion on such manipulated information would go in a direction they desired. Whereas Wilson and the backstory was not sanitized, and in their view, a loose cannon that could go off in the worse way on them. The NIE also served as a redirect — look, NIE!! [nothing over here, Look over There at the NIE!!], away from Wilson and the backstory.
They also figured they had time with Wilson and the backstory, even though they had to put a full court press on him after “What I didn’t find in Africa.” Why did they wait until October out Brewster & Jennings? Was it because they figured nobody would be looking by then? Or was it because there was some scurrying related to damage control due to compromised intel assets going on, that they didn’t want to deal with the Wilson backstory right away and waited ’til months later to out Plame’s “employer”?
Here’s a fun little toy, try laying out all the stuff you were just playing with on it.
http://www.free-timeline.com/timeline.jsp
Have a blast!
Oh, weird, WordPress is inserting a random space in links (whenever mine reemerges from mod). That last bit in the URL should be .jsp, without a space in it.
joysness @ 110
Wells is banking on osmosis to do the job.
Forgive me if this is a naive question, but if Russert didn’t spill the beans to FBI agent Jack Eckenrode, would there be much of a case left against Libby (in the sense that Fitzgerald wouldn’t have had enough leads/info to unravel as much as he has)?
A few people have mentioned perceptive juror questions for Russert, but I’m not finding them in the liveblogging. Can someone tell me where to look? Thanks.
I was following a link that brought me to Tom Maguires site. Reading the goings on over there made me sit up and notice how much each side in this trial are focusing on things that back their own positions.
For instance over there Fitz is a duffous who is a way over zealous prosecutor who made a deal with Russert. And when Russert crushes his own credibitiy Fitz apparently slumps in his chair and just stares at the jury.
Here, the masterful, brutal, rebuttal.
Its just amazing how much that people just see thing there own way.
So please somebody at the trial what was Fitz like while Russert committed hari-kari?
thanks in advance
bille
Lectric Lady,
Great comment !! You do know that Greenspan was once involved with Ayn Rand, right?
Next week should be fun with Judy on the stand. I hope Fitz makes her look as much a toll as he did Russert.
Mrs. K8 updates, for those who missed them:
12:14
Then, after a feast of hugs, this reply at 12:44
Gotta love that “one more thing”!
Thanks Peterr :-) Still sending those good thoughts Mrs K8’s way. And we definitely love that “one more thing”!
85, good point, since scooter is an inveterate liar, it would be appropriate that he lie to his own counsel. wonder if he will get new counsel for the next trial?
Yeah … toe-tapping tax. Surely someone around here will come up with a cute way to use that;)
montag @
98
“Hugh @ 93
Shredding’s probably too slow. I have a mental image of Rumsfeld’s “transition” staff of eight manned with coal shovels, pitching twenty pounds of docs at a shot into the Pentagon’s basement boilers. They’ve probably kept the entire Pentagon warm since Rummy stepped down…. “
Actually, I felt moved to do some quick-and-dirty research on shredders. It depends on the protocol that fits the shredder’s needs, I guess. You could hire a company that will bring one or more of those shredder trucks, like Cheney used last year sometime. Those things can handle up to 5000 lbs. of paper per hour, with a storage capacity of 6–10,000 lbs. So, in a few hours and with one big truck, you could ditch maybe in the low millions of pages of paper, say, depending on the stock weight.
But suppose you had to worry about who saw all that paper moving around toward a loading area? You could buy one or more units like this one for a mere $7700 (GSA price). They each only handle 100–150 lbs. per hour (thermally protected motor), but with a staff of 5 hi-motivation/hi-achievers at his disposal, Rum ought to be able to make a good dent before any of the hundreds of agencies that should soon be after his ass come to call.
craigp @ 130
It wouldn’t have been nearly as strong, that’s for sure. What Russert gives Fitz is a downright lie. It’s one thing to say you don’t remember saying something that others remember that you did, but in Russert you have a fabrication of putting words in someone else’s mouth who can say without refutation that he had no way of knowing the thing he was supposed to have said!
The jurors have got to be thinking: “Hey, I was born at night, but not last night.”
When Wells went into his b.s. tap dance with Russert yesterday and today I did keep thinking of old Billy Flynn.
(snip)
Give ‘em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle Dazzle ‘em
Give ‘em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give ‘em the old hocus pocus
Bead and feather ‘em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?
(snip)
Razzle dazzle ‘em
Give ‘em a show that’s so splendiferous
Row after row will crow vociferous
Give ‘em the old flim flam flummox
Fool and fracture ‘em
How can they hear the truth above the roar?
Throw ‘em a fake and a finagle
They’ll never know you’re just a bagel,
Razzle dazzle ‘em
And they’ll beg you for more!
(continued)
Unfortunately for Libby, I think the jury saw pretty clearly that Wells was just a bagel.
none @ 131
The top of Russert Six. Walton is asking the questions.
Countdown had the right stories in the right order.
That is now a good new show if you have some background. Thanks to this site and others people have the background.
I liked how KO clammed people up about the plane boss the plane. Then SOTH did so herself. How dim-witted do you have to be to refuse to debate Iraq and in the same week have the Pentagon leak information to discredit when in fact the people doing this are comprimising the USA. SOTH is 2nd in-line, and 1st in line has had 4 heart attacks and might be on trial soon.
I think Cheney likely told Libby he is on the no-call list, so perhaps a trial of his own after this one. There is no way VP could stand up to the cross because he is a liar.
Can you imagine…
they offered the same plane Denny “Dont ask dont tell” Hastert had to make the hop flight to Chicago, IL.
Oh…it would only make it no stop under perfect conditions. Just what we need, push it and crash or double your take-off and landings so essentially double your chance to be in a plane accident.
smiley @
70
Some vigourish-ly disappeared before it even reached IRAQ. The devil must takes his dues!
I Love Jane Hamsher @ 133
Greenspan was a disciple of Ayn Rand (economically & politically) – but I wasn’t aware that they were “involved”
Judy was already on the stand as a prosecution witness. Fitz walked her through her testimony in a very straight forward manner and it wasn’t good for Scooter. Wells drew some blood but mostly because she’s such a liar and is clearly still hiding something – not because she absolved Scooter in any way.
Well is the one who gave Russert a hard time, not Fitz. Again, Russert was a witness for the prosecution, not the defense.
Reminds me of the scene in a Christmas Story, when little Ralphie is cross examined by his mom about where learned the F word, and he blurts out the name of Schwartz. I can just see little scooter doing that, with soap in his mouth: Gurgle, gurgle, … Russert!
none @ 131
Walton always reads the “acceptable” juror questions at the end of a witnesses testimony, after redirect. Apparently he makes a judgement as to whether the questions are legitimate as to relevance (and with Well’s wideranging questions maybe almost any juror question would be allowable), whether it calls for speculation by the witness or other basic evidentiary rules. He sems to have given them some basic guidelinesas to what sorts of questions would be allowable and appropriate.
I don’t know how he does follow up questions though. He’s asked these a couple of times and wonder if the jurors gave him an initial question and a set of follow-ups if there were certain responses…or if he simply asked them on his own if he felt that the response wasn’t informative enough.
AZ Matt @
71
RBG @ 103
I like it!
toe-tapping = enjoyment = screen refreshes
For the unwashed masses who will be coming here over the weekend for a synopsis of the Prosecution’s Case, Cheney’s Involvement, Will Libby Testify, and where do we go from here…
For the Firedogs who were here for Marcy Vindication Day, when Marcy’s hypothesized Libby-Novak conversation materialized in Court…how’s that for ‘calling the shot’?
It’s not too much to ask: If you’re refreshing your screen, then you’re tapping your toes – so, please give to keep the history-making, live-blogging of the Libby Trial at FDL going strong!
That’s reasonable, right?
Re: Jill Abramson. I think Wells is taking a big risk here trying to hit Judy’s credibility. I’d love to see something like this:
Wells: Did you think Judy Miller was a good reporter?
Abramson: No, I found her reporting to be generally unreliable.
Wells: And why is that?
Abramson: Because I thought all of her so-called “trusted sources” were bald-faced liars.
Re: Andrea Mitchell. This is one of the few times I’m going to agree with Wells. She’s one of Tim Russert’s co-workers, and she clearly said (on tape) that everyone knew about Plame. Yes, she’s since retracted the statement, and yes, her lawyers say she’s just going to say that she didn’t know about Plame before the Novak article, but I agree with Wells that he should have to opportunity to question her under oath, as it clearly relates to Russert’s credibility. Wells should at least be allowed to ask her if she discussed Plame with Russert prior to the Novak article. What’s the reasoning that Walton’s using to keep her from testifying?
Fwiw, prosecutors last week indicted Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a Russian OIL tycoon, on fresh charges of multibillion-dollar money laundering and embezzlement. The WH is pissed and accusing Putin of playing politics.
“Khodorkovsky” is in Libby’s notes on p39 – was it an appt with DC?
Memo to Libby’s Legal Fund donors: Libby’s defense expected to cost several million dollars. Have I got a deal for you! For just $100,000 (What a bargain!), I’ll provide you with a defense that will NOT involve a devastating coup de grace from the prosecution right before a three-day-weekend!
I mean, what the hell was Wells thinking? Couldn’t he at least have finished his pointless Russert cross 20 minutes earlier and gotten Libby’s 3rd grade music teacher up on the stand? (”Such a nice young man!”) Instead, the last thing the jury hears is Tim Russert calling Libby a liar. You don’t need a JD to know that that’s piss poor lawyering.
stingray @
95
Let’s assume the Russert testimony is false…that Timmee DID tell Libby about Plame. While that might support Libby’s assertion that he did not lie about learning from Russert that “Wilson’s wife” worked at the CIA…it still would not establish that he “forgot” the repeated earlier incidents and records that he passed on that information. It would only show that he could have used the Russert information in his SUBSEQUENT conversations.
Remember that Libby asserts that he forgot the Cheney June 12th conversation…but that there are stiil pre-Russert statements that indicate he “digested” that information and supplied it to Addington (the “spouse records conversation); Miller notes; his own meeting notes; Ari Fleischer’s testimony, etc.
These events suggest that Libby STILL recollected the Cheney conversation throughout the next month, even on the “eve” of his Russert conversation. AND THEN HE SUDDENLY FORGOT?
Essentially he would have to convince the jury that his “shock” at learning Plame’s identity from Russertwas because he suddenly had a mind melt after the time he spoke with ARI!
Jay @ 118
Thankyou, very much!
It’s hard to think of anything better to support in terms of Public Action than FDL’s live-blogging and Analysis of the Libby Trial.
One day we’ll all look back at the un-precedented ‘presence’ we were able to share in this history-making moment of calling the Bush Administration to Account – really for the first time in any big way – and we get to be ‘Here’ for it just like we were in the Courtroom – except we get to chat and go the fridge and entertain ourselves.
This is a connected life-style worthy of support.
Rayne @
9
What impresses me about Jane and Swopa’s video summaries is their professionalism! No “er, um, ah” stuff. Snappy, on target, articulate! The big time awaits!!!
Bob in HI
p43:
Something about “MM: Get NYT – Sanger or VanderHei – to expose Wilson story – give it to them” (MM = Mary Matalin)
and
“Story has legs, fits K theory in campaign” (K = Kerry)
p41 looks interesting too, if only I could decipher it.
I suppose it’s all in the transcipts too but it’s definitely interesting being able top stare right at Libby’s own handwriting in his own OVP notes!
cinnamonape @ 153
I could almost understand if a month had gone by, how he may well have learned it from Russert “as if it were new.” Looking thru even the few notes we have, he’s obviously an intensely busy guy and into some fairly instense issues, and so Plame may arguably have been almost the lowest priority thing on his mind. The guy probably scrambles from 4 am till 10 pm every day, almost frantically.
But a big problem for Libby is that his lunch conversation with Flusher was just 4 days before the one with Russert. Plus, you’d almost have to believe there was a concerted “throw Libby under the bus” effort by a bunch of people who somehow all got word that he would be the fall guy.
Seems quite a stretch.
oldtree @
73
Jane and Swopa are too young to remember Huntley and Brinkley. Those were the days of news reporting. Compare that to Hannity and Colmes if you dare…
Who ya gonna call?
So my burning question now is, “Who will Libby call in his defense?” He’d be insane to testify himself. The Shooter can’t help him. Mary Matalin isn’t looking too good. Cathie Martin has already testified against him. So who will testify for Scooter? While this is a perjury and obstruction trial, the underlying theme is that the OVP is a pretty sleazy place. The defense really needs to come up with ONE person there that Fitz won’t be able to tear to shreds on cross. If they don’t, it’s going to look like there was a grand conspiracy, and Libby was the only one who got caught (so far). So who are they going to call?
Frank Probst @ 159
If Libby does have inside knowledge of b-s by other people relating to this matter, then he may indeed be in a desperate enough place now to call them out.
Or else to drop to his kneews over the weekend and beg Fitz for a deal if he flips on those matters?
Either would be delicious for us Plameologists.
But my swag is they will resort to a Flying Spaghetti defense instead, for a variety of reasons. Those reasons may possibly even include who exactly’s paying for the lawyering – meaning who the lawyers may really be working for. The folks putting out the heavy money want this to be as contained and under control as is possible, would be my guess.
Dab from CT,
I have been told by a few people(all Econ professors .. of all people .. lol) that Rand was very controlling .. in fact one Econ professor thinks of Rand and her followers as a cult almost like Manson’s “family” .. weird I know .. as far as who gave Timmeh!! a hard time .. it’s hard to keep track of whether its Wells or Fitz that is nailing Russert or his ilk to the proverbial cross … and lastly … yes .. Jane is the queen of the blogosphere ;-)
Simply an observation.
Libby is the guy
the preswho wasaskedtold to jump in the meatgrinder. So he goes down like a piece of gristle from a $3.00 steak in Fitzgeralds’s garbage disposal. None of this matters as long as Bush xliii is protected—even if Cheney takes a hit!!!!!Pardons anyone? Pardons? Getchur’ fresh pardons.
In listening to Ms. Mitchell babble on under Mr. Imus’ quasi-cross examination abomination it is difficult to ignore the fact that Mitchell’s defense/excuse seems to be the perfect tripple-headed yang to Mr.Libby’s ginned-up yins.
In other words:
“I didn’t know/I forgot…..I knew/I remembered……I didn’t know/I forgot again.”
But, then again, maybe this shouldn’t be too surprising given the twisted symbiotic relationship of those on full display here for all to see.
.
Cozumel @
29
The important distinction is that Mitchell did not make the statement repeatedly under oath, to a grand jury, and did not defend and embellish the falsehood. And, she disavowed the statement.
Can we confirm now that events in DC is greatly manipulated and if this was ancient Rome, Cheney is Ceasar, Timmy is a runner who will always have the privy at the command of the dais, as who is next in the theatre of the damned…but will claim no responsibility and own to nothing (unless paid)WHORE!
Libby the current prisoner was also a WHORE to hid Dicky! Now he’ll pay.
Other runners will protect their kind. More WHORES!
Just don’t forget people,our soldiers are dying in IRAQ and we are there because of WHORES who tried to justify why we should be there….and to push it, more business to all them WHORES. Yep, media included. Damn all you whores.
RossK @ 163
Aside from the point you make; which I certainly do not dispute; I note the phrase ‘triple-headed yang to Mr. Libby’s ginned up yins.’
That’s a new one for me – ‘triple-headed yang’-
….
most excellent!
A lot of people are complaining about the skids of cash sent to Iraq but do they ever stop to think of how valuable those skids are for chaining and piling prisoners in the empty belly of a jumbo jet sold to us by warlords cashing in on the unregulated bounty market?
no, i thought not. just more
nattering nabobs of negativity!
Rayne @ 128
Hmm, I found the same glitch in #124. I worked around it by transforming the URL with http://tinyurl.com — which shortens it such that the bug doesn’t get a chance to appear. Loox like it’s string-length-dependent, but whadda I know :)
Good question for Mrs. Greenspan if she ever appears on the stand under oath is whether her close friend Mr. Vice told her Mrs. Wilson’s status.
Fineman insists on stating the prez probably didn’t know half the things Vice was doing, insinuating he wasn’t in on this chapter of the WH lies. I’ll wager the king knew the half pertaining to outing Mrs. Wilson.
stingray @ 160
But my swag is they will resort to a Flying Spaghetti defense instead …
Surely you cannot mean that the Defense will litter the walls with spaghetti in the hope that something will stick… no… can’t be that. I’ve got it! Hallelujah!! Next week, right in court, His Supreme Pastafarianism will touch Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby Junior with his Noodly Appendage! That kinda lawyering takes Cold Hard Cash, it does. Yah, that’s gotta be what’ll happen. :)
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excel @ 165 — let’s not forget the role played by Jeff “Gannon” Guckert in all of this depraved whorishness. If THAT story — of LITERAL whorishness — ever comes out, the whole Administration will be toast, stat.
I love you guys on politicstv.com.
You’ve been making a complicated story much clearer.
Thanks
Everyone jumps on this report by her that “everyone knew.” I was more interested in an earlier story where she said that there may have been a conspiracy to out plame that went all the went to the president of the U.S. She made this statement very early on and was the first person that I heard actually say the charge out loud. No one is talking about that statement. I think she knew there had been a conspiracy…because she alluded to it, early in her reporting, then she says…”everyone knew.” Now she says “no one knew.” I think she was trying to protect the administration and got caught. But we may never know the answer to that one.
lectric lady @
104
All Andrea Mitchell has to do is tell the truth.
Which I am guessing is along the lines of:
“Well, I said it because that’s what Karl Rove told me. I am too lousy a reporter to actually check the facts out before I report what the White House tells me. I just assumed that if Karl told me ‘everybody knew Plame was CIA’, it must be true.”
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as to the “pricelessness” of a Wells examination, I can’t think of many things that are more pointless, tiresome and infuriating to listen to. JMHO,YMMV — I guess he must be doing something right though, after all he is pulling in those big right wing bucks!
FDL, Jane, Marcy, Swopa, et al,
Can’t thank you enough for shining light on this. It’s been years of anguish and “weeping for our republic”.
Wanted to ask about how this may all play into RICO indictments:
Wikipedia -
“Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act
“The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (commonly referred to as RICO Act or RICO) is a United States federal law which provides for extended penalties for criminal acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization.
Under RICO, a person or group who commits any two of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period and, in the opinion of the US Attorney bringing the case, has committed those crimes with similar purpose or results can be charged with racketeering. Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and/or sentenced to 20 years in prison. In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of “racketeering activity.” The act also contains a civil component that allows plaintiffs to sue for triple damages.”
“Although some of the RICO predicate acts are extortion and blackmail, one of the most successful applications of the RICO laws has been the ability to indict or sanction individuals for their behavior and actions committed against witnesses and victims in alleged retaliation or retribution for cooperating with law enforcement or intelligence agencies.”
On DEMOCRACY NOW, Isikoff opined on the potential of a Libby pardon by saying, “So, right now, you know, one would expect, if he does get convicted, the play will be, at the end of the day, for Scooter Libby to get pardoned on the President’s last day in office, in the same way that Bill Clinton pardoned a whole bunch of people under investigation in his administration on the last day in office.”
Any chance you could add to your excellent work on this case an analysis of the potential crimes of that “whole bunch” (exact number please) under investigation in the Clinton administration?
neurophius @ 69
Don’t fret over lack of knowledge of Imus. He’s another of the nutcases that thrills the airwave listeners. He exhibits the know all punditry common to todays “entertainers”.
That being said. I tune in to the MSNBC coverage of his program in the morning. Usually swithing back and forth between him and C-span’s Washington Journal. Listening to whichever is of more interest. I do this because there is so little of interest on the TV that early.
Jane — as a long time fan and now “listener” to you and FDL — I just want to say to you and Christy and TRex and Swados, et al — that you’re doing an outstanding job (I hope you get paid for this? if not, you should!) covering this trial and the various other stories and issues you have covered.
I am increasingly AMAZED at the professionalism you bring to this! BRAVO! I am now completely and forever hooked to the “bloggeshere” as the place to get unfiltered news and consider the mainstream news outlets to be nothing more than complete and utter shills. Unbelievable! and perhaps funny — except that we are now engaged and alone in a protracted war like no other we have ever faced as a united states of America and the sorry result is the 3,100 unsung and unthanked Americnas KIA in Iraq.
Jane, please keep up the excellent work and I promise to read and contribute any way I can from here. Yours sadly and truely, JBK.
At this poiint, I’m thinkin’ that Team Libby ought to abandon the dubious “Memory” defense and go with something more tried-and-true: a “Substance Abuse Excuse,” specifically, hallucinogen abuse. Any hallucinogen will do, but I’d favor peyote for its mystical and somewhat exotic characteristics, and the possibility of a French pronunciation. Think about it — this would explain why the once very professional Libby was described as noticeably “agitated” and “excited” by multiple observers (especially Miller and Russert), why he staged the unusual meeting with Fleischer, why he was convinced of multiple irreconcileable facts (e.g. that he didn’t know about Plame’s status and that he knew it was classified), why he concocted such a bald lie about the Russert phone call (it wasn’t a lie, he was truthfully describing a hallucination!), and it would neatly explain the “Aspen’s Letter” as simply a piece of psychedelia. And who knows — it might even be true!
(BTW, fantastic job FDL crew.)