
Thought we'd be done with Russert by now, did you? You lose the bet. But we're just about done, after what seemed to this faintly biased observer like a devastating re-direct examination by Patrick Fitzgerald, which demolished hours of questions about Russert's feelings and memories (or lack of same) before the Libby indictment with this exchange:
Fitzgerald: Which is bigger news, a possible indictment or an actual indictment?
Russert: An actual indictment.
Fitzgerald then elicited Russert's clear memories of things that happened after the indictment was announced. Now it's time for juror questions.
NOTES: (1) This is not an official transcript — just a very loose paraphrase, at best — so don't treat it as one. Even exchanges that look like verbatim dialogue are just the gist of each question and each answer, with any key phrases or pauses included as best I can. (2) My own notes will be in parentheses and/or italics. (3) I'll tell you the time at the end of each update; expect about 15-20 minutes before the next one. The hamsters that run the servers will appreciate it if you don't refresh excessively in the meantime. (4) I didn't write the book on the Valerie Plame outing — but you should buy it, if you haven't already. If you're wondering who this "Swopa" character is, my previous writings on Plamemania can be found here.
Walton reminds jurors that Plame's status as covert is not under consideration here, and they are not to speculate about it. Then he reads the questions
Walton (W): Had there been any discussions before Novak article of Wilson's wife
Tim Russert (T): No.
W: After his article was published?
T: Yes.
W: During deposition, were you given a list of questions ahead of time?
T: No.
W: Any script you were given?
T: No.
W: Did you approve or ban any questions in advance?
T: No, I answered what I was asked.
W: Did you relate any claims by Mr. Libby about Wilson's wife to Shapiro? (on July 8th, apparently)
T: Only remember talking to him about Chris Mathews.
W: What were circumstances of call to Buffalo News reporter?
T: (explains Fazio-Clinton debate, what reporter said, what he complained about. Says he then sent a letter to that effect, and paper printed clarification.)
W: Remember when you called reporter? How long it lasted, etc?
T: I don't. Remember letter more than phone call.
W: (to defense) Any follow-up questions?
Wells: Mr. Russert, you have no recollection of Mr. Libby telling you any information about Ms. Wilson?
T: No.
Wells: Thank you.
It's 2:54.
Government is now presenting additional evidence, including the guidelines about subpoenaing reporters.
Then they announce the testimony of a witness who did not appear (the testimony has been stipulated, or agreed to, by defense already).
The testimony: Deborah Heiden (sp?), executive asst to VP, was assigned to search for documents for request dated Oct 3, 2003. Among other places, she searched a safe that contained classified and non-classified documents. She found Govt exhibit 402, found in the file in a safe. Copies were provided Oct. 7, 2003.
At time she located 402, Heiden and another assistant, Ms. Field (sp? Mayfield??) were only people who had combination to the safe. Heiden does not recall placing the document in the safe. Handwriting on exhibit 402 appears to be VPs (lists other exhibits for comparison).
More exhibits and news articles — Wilson op-ed with underlining from Libby's files, Maureen Dowd column, etc., Libby's classified information non-disclosure agreement (jury is instructed only to consider whether it affected Libby's state of mind in testifying).
Also submits Washington Post articles from October 4, 2003 and October 12, 2003. Walton reminds jurors to consider these not for truth, but only possible impact on Libby's state of mind. Jurors are NOT to consider Plame's actual covert/non-covert status.
It's 3:15.
After the articles are read aloud, Fitz announces that the prosecution rests. Walton says the jury can go home. There are some side issues to be debated in front of Walton, so I'll hang out here a bit longer and see if there's anything newsworthy.
It's 3:32.
Walton hears out the defense about Andrea Mitchell, and whether she should testify. Wells says Mitchell hasn't been questioned under oath at all on her now-disavowed statement, and she should be. Walton answers that her lawyers have said she will contiinue to disavow the statement. When Wells implies they shouldn't take her lawyers' word for it, Walton says that the federal rules of evidence say they have to. (Ooops.)
Wells continues to protest. Walton asks if the government had a similar witness with a disputed statement that Libby was guilty, would they feel okay with him or her testifying?
Wells says the defense should be given more leeway than the prosecution, and this issue is so fundamental, that it should be considered and the testimony allowed. Walton says he might if she was a prosecution witness, making her credibility an issue, but Mitchell's overall story (that she wasn't leaked to) if anything supports Libby. He says that even if he's not allowed to confront Mitchell with the actual disputed statement, he ought to be able to get her story under oath, to see if Mitchell even heard a rumor about Wilson's wife.
Walton is trying to give Wells a long leash, but he's not agreeing. He says, "if we let this statement in, we've just gutted the hearsay rule." Wells says it's justified to relax the hearsay rule in this case. Walton says it's his job to be a gatekeeper for approprate evidence, and "I ought to serve some small function in this trial."



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FITZ!
Swopa!
Wow…and FITZ
Fitz! Swopa!
Ah, Wells seems to be going with his “There are many reporters that Libby DIDN’T mention Plame to!” theme. That’s like saying there are lots of woman your client didn’t rape, so he probably didn’t rape his accuser, either.
That about evaporates several hours of Wells’s cross.
The jury’s questions were, from what I can tell, terrific and give an insight into what they are thinking. The questions and the answers elicited as a result serve to reinforce Fitz’s redirect. It’s obviously early – and the defense has yet to put on its witnesses – but Scooter is in a world of hurt from the looks of things.
It’s beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas Eve!
The juror’s questions are impressive and concise.
All of them are teetering on the edge of discussing – Fitzmas. Love how they all skirt it without falling into the abyss.
A zed! How exciting!
I’m now wondering how long the defense case will drag on. If every witness is subject to the Russert Treatment(tm), it’s going to be long.
-S
Maybe I am Santa Clause – Sealed v. Sealed is still sealed.
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Great stuff again today, Swopa. You are terrific at presenting the pith of all the back and forth on the stand. Thank you for the hard work.
I think today’s court events make both Wells AND Russert look generally like jackasses. And none of it helps Irving.
[Firepups — OT - As mentioned last night, I go for the super special mammogram (xtra views, ultrasound diagnostic-consult) late this afternoon. Kindly send just a fleeting thought heavenward for me? I mean, just as you’re reading this, just a good thought. Thanks! It really helps.] Forgive the OT, please.
Okay, I admit it. I AM elated.
I swear, Fitz has the sexiest brain I’ve heard about in years. *insert fangirl squealing here*
Wells sure is taking a beating … d’you think Libby lied to his lawyers, too?
Wells: Mr. Russert, you have no recollection of Mr. Libby telling you any information about Ms. Wilson?
T: No.
Why did Wells ask that last question? Seems like a highly counterproductive way to conclude for the defense…
Mrs. K8 @ 13
Totally thinking of you.
{{{{{{Mrs. Kate}}}}}
We’re with you Mrs. K8, prayers and thoughts.
{{{{{{Mrs. K8}}}}} Will do!
I’m now wondering how long the defense case will drag on. If every witness is subject to the Russert Treatment(tm), it’s going to be long.
If Welles has to give his own witnesses the Russert Treatment(tm), then he is beyond a world of hurt. He’s in a Universe of hurt.
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I second Mrs. K8–proof of Swopa’s excellence is now available. I looked thru the transcripts of the grand jury tapes but I realized Swopa had faithfully relayed the best parts!
[Sending my prayers your way Mrs. K8.]
Mrs. K8 @ 12
fleeting thoughts mrs. kate?
will give you all I have
Sending big (((hugs))) to Mrs. K8. You will have no trouble finding us later, we will be right here clued to the screens.
*xyz @ 16
Hoping to reinforce the notion that Libby wasn’t blabbing about her to every press shill he could think of….
*xyz @ 16
He’s going to use it in closing: “He said he had ‘no recollection.’ Not that he didn’t tell this to Libby. That he had ‘no recollection.’”
Wells’ closing, of course, will omit TR’s testimony that such a conversation was “impossible” and that Libby’s statements were “not true.”
Damiana @ 15
Why wouldn’t the jury take away from Russert’s cross examination that he was less than credible?
ms K8:
Will say a prayer. My thoughts are with you.
Wells was angering me…and I was only reading the stuff. Don’t know how the jury felt. Can only imagine how Timmee felt.
No recollection of Libby telling him about Ms. Wilson.
Does this leave room for being told about Valerie Plame?
“Walton(W): Had there been any discussions before Novak article of Wilson’s wife
Tim Russert (T): No.
W: After his article was published?
T: Yes.”
They discussed Plame at a later time, this information could be used in sentencing or in carrying the rest of the sealed indictments forward.
Very lucid and clear.
*xyz @ 16
Seemed very odd to me, as I’m sure most observers. After having seen the sand thrown in the umpire’s eyes so many times by Wells (Cheney and/or Libby as defense witness, bootstrapping memory defense without Libby testifying despite Walton order, etc.) I am resigned to the “grasping at straws” theory.
PS: A big thank you to all who make this possible, I would post ty ty ty over and over every day but I like your servers too much, so I’ll bootstrap in just a big TY on this comment! :)
*xyz @ 16
He’s harping on the memory business again. You haven’t recalled events that the evidence I’ve provided proved that they happened. So why should the jury believe you about this particular event? Namely that Libby gave you information about Ms. Wilson.
Except this wasn’t the only lie Libby told.
Mrs. K8, good luck.
Swopa, it’s likely they’re talking about Jennie Mayfield re: exhibit 402 and how it got into the safe.
Wells’ last question is indeed odd. Makes you wonder if he has evidence to impeach Russert.
Mrs. K8!
Do we know what is written on the copy of Gov exhibit 402 in the safe?
Mrs. K8 – you are as strong as this community.
ya, that’s exactly what he was setting up, hopefully fitz is on it, it looks like a cheap shot from here
He spoke of Plame on record after her name was in public, that’s a broad statement the Defense is asking of.
He didn’t around the 6th according to Timmeh, but afterwards did…
What is exhibit 402? Locked in a safe!?
MSNBC sez Fitz rested.
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Mrs. K8
Sending all the good karma the broadband will allow. Now, back to lurkin’.
What are these locked-in-safe docs? Will we get a chance to see them or do we have any clue as to their contents (besides VP’s handwriting?)
Damiana @ 32
Thanks — do you recall anything else about this? Everyone in the media room is scrambling around trying to find the exhibit.
I do remember there was a news report ages ago about some document found in a safe.
I think it was a mistake for Wells to emphasize the exceptional nature of the charges against Libby, that this is not business as usual and that it had been over a 100 years since there had been anything similar.
The previous instance involved Orville Babcock secretary (i.e. chief of staff) to President US Grant in 1875. Grant’s Administration was one of the more corrupt in our nation’s history. Babcock had been involved in a kickback scheme with whiskey makers avoiding taxes on their product worth millions. Grant first tried to sabotage the investigation of his friend and later made a deposition defending him. The result was that Babcock was acquitted although as they say he was guilty as hell.
For an entertaining read of this episode, there is more here:
http://hnn.us/articles/17562.html
Well, that should be about it for the government. Did Fitz rest his case?
He’s got MoDo columns locked in the safe ???
Mrs. K8, all good thoughts and prayers are on their way to you right now.
-S
Did Fitz rest his case?
MSNBC said ‘Breaking’ – Prosecution rests. Like that.
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Agree with Joe Conason here:
_____
“[R]eports indicate that Mr. Bush, accompanied by private counsel, wasn’t placed under oath during his interview. But even if neither he nor Mr. Cheney was sworn during those encounters, that wouldn’t excuse them from telling the truth. To do otherwise would expose them to prosecution for making false statements to federal investigators — a felony — as well as possible counts of conspiracy and obstruction of justice.
“Did the President ask Mr. Libby to take the fall for others in the White House? Did the President know the extent of the Vice President’s involvement in the effort to ruin the Wilsons? When did he learn what Messrs. Cheney, Libby, Rove and Fleischer had done to advance that scheme?
“Most important, did Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney tell the truth when Mr. Fitzgerald and his investigators interrogated them about those issues? That is the inescapable question at the bottom of this case — and sooner or later, the Congress and the press must demand answers.”
_____
I’ve sent messages to my congresscritters, Reid, Ensign, and Porter, demanding congressional inquiry into this very thing, and associated matters (like any documentation pertaining to the ad hoc “leak/declassification” of the NIE to Mata Whori).
_
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
Yup, just a couple minutes ago. About to give the final update.
Is the document = the FDL graphic for the Cathie Martin testimony? She mentions Mayfield.
Mrs. K8 @ 13
Mrs. K8, sending not-so-fleeting good thoughts in all appropriate directions, and hopes that it all turns out to be nothing at all.
Mrs. K8 @
13
We’re all there with you. Hope all turns out just fine.
{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{{ Mrs. K8}}}}}}}}}}
Ms. K8,
Thinking about you and hoping and praying.
Christy @ 43:
MSNBC says yes.
Anna Nicole Smith has ODed and will tie up the MSM for days.
Time for motions arguments on the media motions to quash subpoenas, among other things.
Now is the time on Sprockets when we Dance!
Fitzmas @ 54
sounds like a fix
ItsMe @ 59
Touch my monkey, touch heeem!
Bustednuckles @
54
Mrs. K8,
Miracle (if needed) requested on your behalf along with peace for you and Mr. K8.
You’re never off topic. Your spirit runs deep through here and exemplifies the best of Firedoglake.
lina @ 45
*snort!*
that’s faintly reminiscent of a preteen hiding magazines under the mattress…
Swopa,
10q, 10q, 10q veddy much.
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BobbyG @
49
Do you have a link, please?
perris @ 60
Maybe the MSM will leave poor crazy astronaut Nowak alone for a while, and give the rest of us a break from high-tech-diaper headlines.
Gang, Swopa is still liveblogging proceedings. Please be judicious in your commenting — if you are clogging up the comments with a bunch of extraneous nonsense (yes, I’m talking to you), please don’t. Our servers have a large load from folks who want to see trial coverage at the moment, and we’d like to finish out the day without crashing.
Sorry to be a little crabby, but we are doing everything we can to keep coverage going live for everyone. And a little help would be MUCH appreciated. So please, think before you submit.
Terrific job gang in D.C., Christy, EW, Mods!
Thanks to all!
Anna Nicole Smith has ODed and will tie up the MSM for days.
Sure it wasn’t the ghost of Bebe Rebozo in drag?
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((((((LOVE for Mrs.K8))))))
Keep us posted, my dear.
Mrs. Kate, good luck today. Just remember to relax take a deep breath. We will all be here awaiting your return tonight with an update of your day at the doctor. You are not alone. We will be sending our rays of hope for a good checkup. lolo
I didn’t want to steal more server time, but the hugs and warm embraces and prayers and good thoughts are overwhelming.
And they lift me up! — and will continue to do so, along with the crucial support of Mr. K8’s arm (and his heart) later this afternoon.
“Thanks!” is a poor word for what I feel, but will have to suffice.
Now I will steal no more bandwidth on this.
Just one more thing — Both Russert and Wells STILL look like complete jackasses. Irving STILL looks guilty as sin. And FDL STILL looks like the very bestest place to be on these here InterTubes.
i heart MRS.K8 . . . wishing well!!!!
Out of the Raw Story:
“Joining Libby’s public relations person, Barbara Comstock, in the public gallery was former Tennessee Republican Sen. Fred Thompson, who plays a New York City prosecutor on the NBC series ‘Law & Order.’ He came to listen while another NBC star, Washington bureau chief Tim Russert, was cross-examined by defense attorney Theodore Wells,” the AP reported.
Why is Plame’s identity status so unimportant to this caes? Isn’t outing an agent the crime that made Scooter throw sand in the umpire’s eyes?
I guess the obstruction charge doesn’t need them “outing” charge, because it stands alone (obstruction) as a crime.
But once the obstruction charge is proven, then will it go to the treason charge? If Scooter is convicetd of obstruction, can they turn around and charge him with treason for outing Plame, without double jeopardy, since it refers to a totally different crime?
Scooter’s not being tried for outing an agent, he’s being tried for obstructing the investigation into that outing.
CNN can’t confirm. I wonder if they have the old centerfolds ready. better than astronauts in diapers. Fucking idiots.
At least we won’t have to go through the agony of a defense being rehashed on TV except for the talking points and the usual 4 minutes of daily infotainment that is Politics.
If this were 24 then I could see this as a diversionary plot twist. Otherwise it’s just sad.
*xyz @ 16
well, if Wells can’t prove that Russert leaked Val’s identity to Libby, at least he has established that Libby didn’t leak Val’s identity to Russert! :)
Mrs. K8 @ 73
This topic deserves it’s own thread.
I’m going for the home run: I boldly predict that exhibit 402 is the copy of Wilson’s op-ed with Cheney’s notes on it.
If so, that’s unbelievable, if I’m following what is going on.
But WHAT is exhibit 402, with Cheney’s handwriting on it??
What’s exhibit 402?
You know, i really respect Walton’s willingness to let juror’s ask direct questions. Not only does it permit points of view other than the law school trained participants in the case, but it gives them a bit of skin in the game.
If it helps anyone, it helps the stronger case. Jurors
on the bottomin the minority have the opportunity to get their issues out, which should make them less recalcitrant. Jurors just looking for a common sense understanding can break through obfuscation. By putting it last in the proceeding it can turn into either another round of cross examination or redirect. In this case, seems to be redirect.The Libby team must hate this. But if the prosecution had a weak case, they’d appreciate it.
from comments in the 20’s=====
when catching up on reading comments, had this uncanny thrill thinking that ((((mrs. k8)))) would receive so many wishes to be well that the server went down from it…….
that woulda been somethin’
thinking of you
and hoping it went well.
HappyDays @ 81
IIRC, this is the newspaper clipping of Wilson’s oped where Cheney jots down his talking point/pushback questions.
Jeff @
80
please elaborate
No listing of the 402 exhibit on either of these pages…(Fitz and AP)
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/
http://wid.ap.org/documents/libbytrial/index.html
Document 402? What is it?!?!?!?!
yargh
new thread
Reporting that Anna Nicole is dead now.
-GSD
off topic but something to give a smile
raw story head line;
GOP Rep. warns Bush if border patrol agents die in jail
‘there’s going to be some kind of impeachment talk’
I’ll get a copy of Ex. 402 at some point this evening. Will let you guys know when I know.
sorry if i’m ot here. i’ve been running around and trying to follow events as time permits.
Part of Tim Russert’s job is to be a television news “reader.” He goes into make-up, gets his tie straightened and reads a teleprompter. then he forgets what he just said. the person who would remember every little thing he said on the Today show would be his producer or whoever writes the prompter copy.
It is my feeling that he would remember a phone call in his office more than what he says on television.
Don’t forget the astronaut in diapers. Great job this week, Swopa. Get a well-deserved dinner, drinks, and be merry!
“P.S. We just got word that Anna Nicole Smith just died. Everything we’re doing here seems so small and irrelevant.”
Swopa, I think this sign off is evidence of the great humanity and warmth of the FDL team, and in its poignancy beautifully illustrates the difference between the old MSM model and the new media – the blogmedia. Transcendent Irony.
So if Libby re-mis-unremembers that he forgot that he told Russert as well about Plame, he’ll be covered.. :)
I’m sorry when anybody dies. Anna Nicole Smith’s life and death reads like a soap opera and reality show… oh yeah, it was. I’m not really that interested in the details, except from a sociological perspective.
Oh crap, Anna Nicole died.
Mrs. K8 @
13
A warm gentle breath blows your way
xyz @ 16
If the case was about whether or not Libby was blabbing about Plame to the press, then the question makes sense. Maybe Wells thinks the answer undermines the prosecution witnesses who have testified to the numerous efforts by Libby to get Plame’s name out there. If he didn’t talk to Russert about it, then why would he have done so with the other witnesses?
But since the case is about Libby allegedly not remembering Plame until Russert allegedly told him, then the question is lunatic. Nothing like having your final question being a repeat of the prosecution’s central point.
And since Libby called Russert to complain about Matthews, it makes perfect sense that he did not bring up Plame.
Inane. Wells seems caught between different and contradictory defense theories.
Oh, I’m sorry I repeated old news. This is very sad and, I hate to say it, rather suspicious on Howard Stern’s part. But perhaps it was just an accidential overdose.
These days, though, my conspiratorial mind seems to work overtime.
Walton says it’s his job to be a gatekeeper for approprate evidence, and “I ought to serve some small function in this trial.”
Owwwwwwwww. Sounds like Walton is getting just a wee bit testy about Wells’ constant pushing.
Poor Anna Nicole.
She’s been on the verge of an accidental od for some time now.
Trying Libby for outing Plame would have let Wells greymail the court by insisting on putting in a lot of classified evidence. It was easier to get him on perjury by showing two sworn statements from him that contradicted each other.
Adie @
64
was thinking the exact same thing but with a much more vulgar visual.
“Firepups — OT – As mentioned last night, I go for the super special mammogram (xtra views, ultrasound diagnostic-consult) late this afternoon. Kindly send just a fleeting thought heavenward for me? I mean, just as you’re reading this, just a good thought. Thanks! It really helps.] Forgive the OT, please.”
Not OT. When something that important is going on in a firepup’s life, and there’s something the rest of us little doggies can do (even if it is “just a fleeting thought heavenward”), then it’s about as on-topic as can be.
Strength and hope flowing your way, Mrs. K8…
Hanging onto Fitz’s words “truth is the engine of our judicial system”.
Place your bets..hours spent by the MSM covering the death of Anna marie Cole the next few days….Hours spent covering the Libby trial?
Mrs. K8 @
13
All the mojo I can send. Please let us know what happens.
That strikes me as a peculiar reply to the question on TR’s part. “Other than Libby telling me that she worked at the CIA?” would have been appropriate.
kathleen @ 108
Whatever her name is may she rest in peace
The Witch @ 42
Numbers of the Swiss bank accounts that Bush, Cheney & Co. will be drawing upon once they’ve resettled in Paraguay?
Swopa @ 43
Swopa–
I don’t remember anything else, unfortunately, and my google-fu is failing me. It might or might not be the Wilson op-ed, although that is already up on the DOJ website as exhibit A submitted 5/12/2006. There doesn’t seem to be any other evidential identifier on it. All the other articles submitted at the same time were from the same time period as the op-ed; don’t know if that has any significance considering that the articles read by Fitz into evidence today were both published in October.
Question for legal types: what is the difference between exhibit identifiers that are letters and identifiers that are numbers?
Biodun @
94
Ditto thanks so much!
Doesn’t Gannon/Guckert count?
ROFL!!
Reggie teh funny.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 66
I believe that quote came from Froomkin’s column today — he links to here.
But also Froomkin is a must read today — quotes Jane and Arianna from yesterday!
Fitzmas @
11
Was Leopold right?
obsessed @
86
I think Jeff is arguing that it is this copy of Joe’s op-ed, on which Dick wrote nasty things about “the wife.” In the context, it would mean that Cheney et al didn’t turn over the op-ed in normal discovery, as they would have to, since it pretty fucking clearly has to do with Joe Wilson, his wife, and his trip to Niger.
It would point strongly towards obstruction.
Would a prosecutor withhold issuing further indictments until a related legal matter favorably runs it’s course?If someone is found innocent,a link to related criminal behavior might seem futile.If found guilty,the ground work is laid.Any prosecutors care to weigh in?
by Cheney?
Be still oh heart!!!
Why wouldn’t Cheney et al just shred or burn the incriminating documents if they didn’t want them to be found?
I don’t understand why they would put them in the safe.
Is there some sort of accounting system that pointed to their existence?
And was Debra A Heiden the mystery witness?
David Ehrenstein @ 103
Actually, listening to the news, it’s more likely a fatal infection (septic shock) than anything she did.
S
Andrea Mitchell obviously does not want to testify….as its clear her and Russert are wagging the dog.
Selectively speaking and creating evidence.
Andrea is on the record as lying already, and she admits it.
I think Jeff is arguing that it is this copy of Joe’s op-ed, on which Dick wrote nasty things about “the wife.” In the context, it would mean that Cheney et al didn’t turn over the op-ed in normal discovery, as they would have to, since it pretty fucking clearly has to do with Joe Wilson, his wife, and his trip to Niger.
It would point strongly towards obstruction.
I’m baffled – unless I need a new prescription, Swopa says the documents in the safe were turned over on Oct 7, 2003 per the request of Oct 3, 2003 – that is obstruction?
Anyway – great job, Swopa. And I am relying on your possibly biased take, but I am inclined to agree – the notion that Russert had it in for Libby based on the Imus tape should have sounded pretty slim to the defense.
I don’t know what that added for the defense except – it was probably fun for them to hear Russert say that the important event, the anouncement, shattered the memories of the unimportant events. He couldn’t remember a darn thing he had said that morning – should we indict him?
Well, we will see if they come back to that in the summaation.
the underlined Wilson article with Cheney’s comments was introduced in a batch of evidence submitted yesterday. I’m finding lots of interesting items as I go through the batch.
emptywheel @ 119
emptywheel & swopa, I just did a little poking around the DOJ site, and guess what? Exhibit 401 is the May 6th Kristof article, which happens to have been submitted to the court pre-trial as Exhibit B in the same batch where Cheney’s copy of the Wilson Op-Ed is Exhibit A.
Not definitive evidence that the Wilson Op-Ed is exhibit 402, I admit, but it does seem likely.
I agree with Tom now, more or less. False alarm, not because I didn’t understand that the thing was turned over early, but because I misunderstood the significance of the rest of it. Anyway, the prosecution didn’t give out an exhibit 402 today. Possibly they were talking about exhibit 403, which is Libby’s underlined copy of Wilson’s July 6 op-ed, which it looks like Libby printed out on July 7 morning.
I know I’m late, but {{{{Mrs K8}}}}
excellent reporting, commenting, posting today, everyone.
The trial insignificant compared to Smith’s death? And you folks rightly chastise the immunity of celebrity? A bit hypocritical, it seems to me. Young Americans and Iraqis of all ages die there every day—some after horrific torture. Plague, starvation, war, and other predations — natural and human — inflict suffering beyond our ken. And you are concerned about a spoiled, conniving, gold-digger, and, by implication, elevate the significance of her death above the ongoing insights into malfeasance by government and the media? Sorry, I just do not get it.
I think it more likely it is Cheney’s oped (given the discussions of Cheney’s handwriting–403 only has underlines). And the only significance of the safe is:
1) Another case where CheneyCo is slapping TS/SCI on stuff that, well, isn’t.
2) It suggests Jenny Mayfield–Libby’s assistant, and not Cheney’s–put it in the safe.
3) Which suggests (VERY circumstantially) that it came through Libby.
Which by itself doesn’t prove much, beyond the classification issue.
Jenny Mayfield, of course, was the one slapping TS/SCI on everything else in this case, per ADD.
AP has todays exhibits up. No 402 among them
josh markus @ 124
Lying is a pretty strong characterization especially in the context of the Libby trial. I’ll agree with you, however, that Andrea’s credibility on the key issue, who knew about Wilson’s wife before the Novak article, is nonexistent, which is why neither Fitz nor Wells can risk calling her as a witness, and why Wells wanted to use her hearsay statement to Imus in order to avoid having the jury hear her recant it.
How can Wells possibly rebut this? Russert, though a weasel, was unshakeable on the facts: He did not tell Libby the identity of Plame. Other government witnesses have been equally compelling.
Anyone with legal training able to speculate on this?
Tom Maguire @ 125
odd that the firedoglake people would print the word “fucking” when Tom McGuire but edit when I wrote the word blowj*b. Is this discrimination?
[Mod Note; an interesting little feature of the spam filters is that “fucking” is not used much by porn spammers but single word descriptions of oral intercourse is something that they “use” regularly. Hence the moderator’s editing of your earlier comments in an effort to bypass the filters. Hope that helps.]
It’s just an FDL tradition. “Fitz!” instead of “First here”
Chill out! It’s just a bit of perfectly harmless fun.
Okay, now I’m all confused.
Exhibits entered today are now up at the DOJ trial site … and they put up exhibit 403, which is Libby’s copy of Wilson’s Op-Ed, and doesn’t have any handwriting on it at all.
Swopaaaaaa, help!!!
One thing I found veeeerrrryyyy eeeeenteresting was another document submitted today–the fax that specifies that the CIA sent Wilson to Niger in response to a VP request for more information from his CIA briefer. The interesting bit is that it specifies that Wilson was clandestine. The document is declassified, of course … but when? Does this mean Joe Wilson’s status was ALSO classified, and if so, when was that declassified?
Damiana @
137
Curiouser and curiouser!
Maybe the copy of the op-ed with notes was not Libby’s, but Cheney’s.
One thing I find amazing and curious is the fantastic coincidence that it was Wilson chosen, suggested by his wife Plame, and that it was outing Plame which enabled the Bush people to shut down Middle Eastern non-proliferation of nukes investigations. Isn’t that coincidence rather far out? I mean, that’s a coincidence just begging to be investigated. I’d almost bet money that it’s the very opposite of a coincidence.
The question is how it was arranged. Cheney asks a question about Niger. Someone arranges a meeting and Plame is (just happens to be) in the meeting. She suggests her husband, former ambassador/charge Joe Wilson for the trip. [I don’t think anyone has disputed that.] Then he writes an op-ed for the Times. Who okayed that? Did it require a CIA o.k.? It’s neat, complete and oh so sweet. And yet, it seems to be exactly what the Bush admin. wanted in order to get at Plame. Amazing.
Was it normal for Plame to be in such a meeting?
Would they have picked Wilson even if she hadn’t suggested him?
Was someone at the CIA working to truly undermine Bush’s Niger uranium claim?
Did the Bush people expect or want this or did they just run with the ball after it happened?
Was it that last bit of unplanned off-handed “let’s get Wilson” attitude (with the Bush grin) which hung ‘em?
The, your last point, is also news to me. Why would they have made Wilson’s trip clandestine? That needs to be verified. But, perhaps it doesn’t matter once the trip is over. Maybe he could only have been ‘outed’ DURING his trip/junket/boondoggle/investigation.
Finally, poor Anna. Her life seems to have been tragic: success young, beautiful, rich, anything she wanted…horrible; sounds like Paris Hilton.
obsessed @
86
Good guess. Here’s why.
1) Several of Fitz’s other exhibits are VERSIONS of the same document (e.g. talking points made by Libby) and these are numbered sequentially.
2) The number of the mystery article falls in a series that Fitz has used for newsclippings.
3) The number of LIBBY’s VERSION of the Wilson article “What I didn’t see in Africa” is right before the “mystery article”
4) There was discussion of the Wilson article sitting under the GLASS TOP of Cheney’s desk in the Grand Jury examination of Libby yesterday. As I recall this article was annotated and underlined by Cheney. Fitz asked Libby if Cheney ever highlighted or marked articles and how long he kept them. He also asked if Cheney might review or mark such articles after the fact.
Thus Cheney DID have and mark the Wilson article.
And if this is THE ARTICLE in the “Secure” desk it appears that CHENEY had staff (or himself) placed the article in an area where it was treated as CLASSIFIED!
Seems he was trying to hide it to me! Damn those Secretaries! Where are their Rosemary Wood’s instincts!
Damiana @
137
FYI: Swopa’s transcript says 402 and not 403. So maybe Exhibit 402 is another news article that does have Cheney’s handwriting on it.
which is why neither Fitz nor Wells can risk calling her as a witness, and why Wells wanted to use her hearsay statement to Imus in order to avoid having the jury hear her recant it.
Since the defense is filing motions to admit Mitchell and Fitzgerald is opposing it, the notion that Wells does not want to call her is, uhh, unsupported.
However, I liked a different explanation for the hearsay tussle – *IF* the judge had allowed it, then the defense could have included that evidence in the inevitable motion to dismiss charges that follows the resting of the prosecution case.
Since he did not get it in with Russert, the motions will have to cite other evidence (FWIW, my current advice is that no charges will be dropped by the judge), and Wells will have to rely on Mitchell’s evidence for his closing argument.
flow @ 140
Yup, which is why I’m confused. The documents entered as evidence today have been put up on the DOJ trial website, and they include document #403, NOT document #402. 402 is probably Cheney’s copy of Wilson’s Op-Ed, complete with underlining and comments handwritten by the VP. 403 is Libby’s copy of the Op-Ed, with underlining he did but no comments. From what Swopa said, the document entered had comments written on it and Fitz showed other documents, handwritten by Cheney, to show that the comments on 402 were written by Cheney. See my confusion?
I’m pretty sure that they are the documents listed at Grand Jury Exhibit #8
http://wid.ap.org/documents/li…..7/GX1a.pdf
That’s Cheney’s annotated copy of the Wilson article “What I didn’t find in Africa”
These have some other record numbers 8009501 and LL002-02038.
Apparently Cheney placed it under the glass of his office desk.
This is the one where Libby was asked whether Cheney might have taken it out from there and annotated it. It would be very interesting if Cheney had it taken out and placed in the “locked vault” that only included classified documents.
BTW there’s a lot of other other material in the above worth reading/deciphering.
For example…Libby actually took notes of his meeting with Mad Mary Matalin and she gives him all sorts of advice BESIDES just going to TIM (she only uses his first name!)…and YES! She did apparently say that TIM hates Matthews!. [Exhibit 60] For example she says that the stuff Joewas saying would “fuel K Theory” and that it would help “K campaign” [the odd “K” code here is obviously Libby’s for Kerry]. Madelin then says that there is a need to “address Wilson’s motivation” and that “you need to get cable declassified”. What CABLE? And what si Libby sharing the contents of a classified cab;e with Matalin for!
Gosh! I just hope that Fitz gets this witch on the stand!
And there’s a very interesting meeting on June 9th, 2003 where the PRESIDENT HIMSELF is very upset about the Kristof article about his SOTU!
Another series of Libby notes (009501- GJ Exhibit #59) has a meeting with Libby, Cheney, Rice and Hadley on July 10th, 2003 in which they discuss declassification of documents relating to the Wilson situation
Hadley says: “ML/GT [George Tenet?] WILSON IS DECLASSIFIED. Starting to declassify NIE. [SH”
CR: “President is uncomfortable. No ? it’s better to leak NIE”
Then there is something that I struggled to decipher that the VP says would be “a mistake”.
So there seems to be a decision to LEAK the less problematic NIE, rather THAN the “Wilson declassification”. Wonder WHY????
cinnamonape:
Nice rundown. I think that weird symbol stands for Democrat. Looks like a D on top of a chevron.
Kerry was just one of many vying for the nom back in July 2003.
perris @ 91
lol….somehow I don’t think being head of the Executive branch translates to impeachment for every underlings screw up.
Its not like he dropped his pants told his employee service him…then proceeded to lie about it to everyone. Sexual harassment and admitted purgury….but heck he is such a handsome man…who cares