
(Okay, Mr. Bill actually looks more like John Gibson, but that's not necessarily germane to this discussion.)
So, Frothing Crypto-Catholic Sociopath Bill Donohue has been one of the squeakiest wheels in Squeakytown on the issue of the Edwards '08 campaign's decision to hire two bloggers, fire them, and then re-hire them. Donohue's main bone of contention against the two bloggers was their supposed "intolerance" toward people who believe that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church and that the life of a child begins when a man says to a woman, "Hey, honey, are you awake?"
Donohue has gone into talk-show overdrive over the last few days, spewing his line of faux-Christian tripe utterly unopposed on Tucker (meh) Carlson, the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, Hannity, the lot. He referred to the bloggers in question as "anti-Catholic, vulgar, trash-talking bigots".
Well, excuse the fuck out of us, Donohue, you goddamn herpes sore. If you're so against sexual perversion, then why do you insist on defending the pedophile clergy who can't keep their hands out of those little altar boys' cassocks?
But while we're on the topic of blazing, in-your-face, bald-faced lies and hypocrisy, why don't we dip into this rather marvellous Media Matters piece by Jamison Foster which lays out a catalog of Donohue's own stellar pantheon of "Did he just fucking say that?!" statements?
Let's start with religious intolerance:
- "People don't trust the Muslims when it comes to liberty." [MSNBC's Scarborough Country, 2/9/06]
- "We've already won. Who really cares what Hollywood thinks? All these hacks come out there. Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It's not a secret, OK? And I'm not afraid to say it. ... Hollywood likes anal sex. They like to see the public square without nativity scenes. I like families. I like children. They like abortions. I believe in traditional values and restraint. They believe in libertinism. We have nothing in common. But you know what? The culture war has been ongoing for a long time. Their side has lost." [MSNBC's Scarborough Country, 12/8/04]
- "I'm saying if a Catholic votes for Kerry because they support him on abortion rights, that is to cooperate in evil." [MSNBC's Hardball, 10/21/04]
Trash-talking:
- "Name for me a book publishing company in this country, particularly in New York, which would allow you to publish a book which would tell the truth about the gay death style." [MSNBC's Scarborough Country, 2/27/04]
- Addressing former Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) in a press release, Donohue said: "[W]hy didn't you just smack the clergyman in the face? After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn't allow themselves to be molested. So why did you?" [10/4/06]
(Please note the ocean of Christian compassion, the wellspring of charity and kindness...)
- "Well, look, there are people in Hollywood, not all of them, but there are some people who are nothing more than harlots. They will do anything for the buck. They wouldn't care. If you asked them to sodomize their own mother in a movie, they would do so, and they would do it with a smile on their face." [MSNBC's Scarborough Country, 2/9/06]
And vulgar:
- "Just imagine if a white guy is performing oral sex on a statue of Martin Luther King with an erection. Do you need to see it to know it's ugly?"
Ew. I mean...just, ew. What the hell is wrong with this guy's head? Really, though, he's just like most all of the Right Wing screechers who persist in showing us exactly how dark, twisted, and sick their minds are with the truly breathtaking array of weird, random, perverted shit that they project on to "liberals". "Liberals" here meaning the faceless mass of godless heathens who are, in fact, the large majority of the US population, the ones who don't agree with Donohue's perverted, Medievalist view of sex, the body, and mankind's relationship with God. Donohue just wants to party like it's 1699, and that's just not going to happen in this country. That ship sailed in, oh, 1901.
When is someone in Big Media going to start calling these crackpots out? Bill Donohue is not a reasonable man. He does not represent the majority of Catholic opinion in this country. Back to Media Matters:
A February 2 article in Women's Wear Daily described Donohue's efforts to "manufacture controversy" -- and, unlike the Times and AP articles, noted that other Catholics disapprove of his antics:
It's this ability to manufacture controversy that has brought a moribund advocacy group firmly into the black and turned Donohue into catnip for the press. For talk show bookers and reporters on deadline, he's a never-ending sideshow who comes ever ready to hurl expressions of indignation and opprobrium at anyone who might have offended him. As prejudice against individual Catholics has receded, Donohue has simply turned up the volume, taking aim at everyone who questions the church's official positions on homosexuality, abortion and birth control, lapsed Catholics included.
[...]
But the same thing that keeps Donohue in the press prevents him from becoming truly respectable within the religious community, where his antics are a source of frequent consternation.
Mark Silk, director of the Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life at Trinity College said, "He's a thug. He reverts to bullying because he thinks that's what the job entails."
Rev. Mark Massa, a Jesuit priest and co-director of the Curran Center for American Catholic Studies at Fordham University, accused Donohue of being unable to differentiate between healthy debate and real religious bigotry. "Not everyone who criticizes the church is anti-Catholic," he said.
The editors at the Catholic weekly magazine America seem to agree. In 2000, they chastised Donohue for denouncing movies he hadn't even watched. "While being first may increase one's chances of attracting media attention, there is a danger that the Catholic League reinforces the stereotype that the Catholic Church is at best unreflective and at worst unfairly biased and paranoid," wrote Rev. James Martin. "In the long run, this may do more harm to the church's reputation than a short-lived movie or play."
Indeed. Bill Donohue is bad for Catholicism and bad for America. Someone needs to shoot his bogus morality crusade right out of the sky before it actually does some real damage. Fortunately, in this skirmish, the Edwards campaign told Donohue and the Malkinites to take a powder and STFU.
More of this, please, Democrats. Those Right Wing shitbags aren't going to vote for you, anyway, so don't do what they say, okay? Is that clear?
Good.
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TRex!!
HotFlash @
1
I changed it:
There is club soda all over my keyboard. TRex, you TRox.
This Donohue talks about anal sex more than the lads at the Powerhouse. It’s creepy.
Good for Edwards for keeping the trash-talking lassie bloggers! I’d say we’ve learned who the Reich Wing is most afraid the Catholic Reagan Democrats might vote for in 2008. Bring on the class warfare, Johnnie!
I think maybe we overestimate the tradmed’s desire to be reasonable and wholly truthful.
That’s not their business. Their biz is to sell ads.
If those goals are in sync, great, but they will choose profit over the truth every time.
Disgusting. Thank god for the internets.
Donahue- Gooper shill hiding behind a rosary- nothin new there- he cares more about electing goopers than about salvation for the human race.
TeddySanFran @ 5
Closet cases do that. Especially if they know, deep down, that no self-respecting gay man would touch them with a ten-meter cattle prod.
EvilDrPuma @ 8
Shit, I wouldn’t fuck him with someone else’s dick.
The MSM really has largly devolved to National Enquirer tripe…
As for these assholes playing politics from the altar, when are we going to get serious about yanking their non-profit status?
Trex, I fear you will never be hired to blog for a politician now. Just think of all the poor people you just offended. ;-)
Kelven @ 10
I’m worried about what the Enquirer might do to reclaim their low ground.
oh, nevermind…
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 27
It’s kind of like Democrats trying to talk to Joe Lieberman during the last six years. Many have tried, but to no avail.
Now that I think about it, some of my Jesuit friends think of Donohue in the same terms that punaise applies to Short Ride Joe (except, being Jesuits, they express their contempt using puns in Latin).
urban pirate @ 11
Probably can’t happen until 2009, at the soonest.
From last thread:
HotFlash @
113
Yes, the eye is fine, and I was able to squint through all of Timmeh’s testemony yesterday.
God Love FDL!
If Jesus came back as a democrat, goopers would find several good reasons not to vote for him- too many liberal ideas. Turn the other cheek- to terrorists? Get outa here!
I have this feeling that the ReligiousNutRight didn’t vote for BushCo all that much, it was just a ruse to explain where all those Diebod votes came from.
Nice to see that the mainstream Catholics don’t like this guy either. I suspected as much but it didn’t make the news. Oh, sorry, that would be too much to expect. Does anyone else find it odd that these nuggets of actual journalism are turning up in places like Rolling Stone, Wired, Vanity Fair and now Women’s Wear Daily?
Bill Donohue and his ilk have forgotten a couple of other Christian instructions:
1. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
2. Love thy *enemy* [in other words, not only thy friends].
3. If thy enemy strike thee, turn the other cheek.
4. Let the one who is without sin cast the first stone.
Okay, that was more than a couple. How forgetful these rightwing pseudo-Christian pseudo-moralists be.
Gnome de Plume @ 12
But doesn’t John Edwards’ courage in retaining the dirty hippie blogger ladies means we can trash-talk anyone and still get hired by politicians anytime?
Go for it, TRex!
Hmmmmm?? Which longtime FDL commenter has been posting this about the CM for years - and as recently as earlier today?
Who was it? I wish I could remember. Oh, well (throws hands up), maybe we’ll never know. ;-p
rwcole @ 18
I still remember actually reading a message board response from a fundie who blasted an unattributed quotation from the Beatitudes as “liberal crap.” He not only despised what he saw in the most condensed version of Jesus’ teachings in the book, he didn’t even recognize the words printed in red.
Jesus wouldn’t have to stake out a party affiliation. These are people who use his name while hating everything he stood for.
Rolling Stone has ususally had some good political or anti political writing at one point or another. But the latest snark from them is incredible, Hotflash. I’m loving it. XD
Because they’re a long established Music mag, they can flip off the establishment and still keep their readership.
My God, this nation really is in the thrall of what used to be known as the “lunatic fringe” of religious zealots.
The fall of this empire is being blogged.
-GSD
That Donohue guy is nuts. He makes Catholics everywhere look stupid, I wish some of them would have a talk with the man. And good job Team Edwards! I think they did the right thing standing by the campaign staff they chose to hire.
This says a lot about the strides the political world has made towards accepting bloggers. That’s a victory for all Netroots activists everywhere. Bloggers just went pro.
Mrs. K8~
(((((Mrs. K8)))))
Hope the exam went very well. We are all praying for the “all is well with the girls” report!
EvilDrPuma @ 24
You’d be amazed (or maybe not) at the percentage of so-called “Christians” who have little or no working knowledge of the Bible.
Those Right Wing shitbags…
-TRex
Hey? I know ’shitbag’ is an oldy but a goody and all but, TRex, did you grab that ’shitbag’ line from my posts today at Greenwald? Come on now, Fess up.
It went over well with the trolls over there.
EvilDrPuma @
13
perhaps even they have some semblance of shame …..
Was Donahue the inspiration for Archie Bunker? The man is foamingly mad.
-GSD
{{{{{{{{{ lectric lady! }}}}}}}}} Great news!
Shortly after my mom-in-law got her cataracts done I found her sitting in the utility room. She was embarassed but admitted she enjoyed watching the clothes go around in the washer (front-loader). She’d sort the laundry so that it would be pretty to watch.
GSD @ 26
These people come and they go. He is not much different than McCarthy during the communist witchhunts. Hoover wasn’t much better.
There are good people of common sense and decency out there, well especially here, so we will overcome this evil too.
TRex @ 29
Not really. I think part of the reason the fundy talking heads have so much time to spend going berserk on cable “news” shows is that they don’t take any to do any meaningful Bible reading. (First hint, guys: those words in red in the KJV aren’t printed that way because they’re dangerous. Well, maybe that’s not true for you.)
Donohue’s schtick is hardly new, especially the open-ended attacks on Hollywood. I’m thinking now of the opening of “Hardcore,” at Christmas time, with kids watching television, and some parent sneaking in the general bitch about “kids going off to Hollywood and making filth,” which was Paul Schrader’s way of saying, obliquely, “that’s what they were saying about me after writing ‘Taxi Driver.’”
Same complaint, almost thirty years ago, except a different religion. And, pretty much the same sort of people and the same tactics (it’s no accident that when Peter Boyle’s character brings Jake (George C. Scott) to a downtown Grand Rapids peep show theater, the Amway center is in the background).
Kelven @
10
it truly has. i was thinking this same thought just last night. this shameless whoring gives whores a bad name ….
HotFlash @ 33
Awwwwwwww, I think I love your mom-in-law.
kitt @ 30
I’ve been saying that one on a regular basis since I was, oh, 14. But Great Minds and all…
If it was a white woman giving the MLK statue (with an erection!) a blow job, would Donohue think it was less ugly? I’m not absolutely sure he’d be down with a statue of King — or any man or any color — with an erection. He’s probably one of those people like John Ashcroft who’d cover up the Tits of Justice.
GSD @ 32
archie was stupid, but he had a few endearing qualities.
donahue is crazier’n a shithouse rat. period.
Bill Donohue runs a four-person operation and claims to speak for 60 million American Catholics. Never mind that American Catholics are more likely to be called Julio (or Julia) Rodriguez these days. Never mind that the Catholic League’s purported membership of 350,000 — more likely just the people on its mailing list — represent about 0.5% of all Catholics in the US.
But because he works out of Midtown Manhattan, he’s always a short cab ride away from the studios of Fox News, or MSNBC, or CNN.
It really is time for Catholics of all stripes, not just the liberal ones, to ask why the fuck one man with some very weird opinions is showing up in the newspapers and on the cable stations claiming to speak for them.
It really is time that journalists started asking, say, the office of the Archbishop of New York, whether the church hierarchy agrees with Bill Donohue that the victims of molestation were just asking for it.
In short, it’s time for Catholics to put this man out of business, because he’s operating under their name.
TRex @ 38
She was the best and we miss her every day.
I really, really liked it when Speaker Pelosi started talking about the SpeakerAir leaks from the Pentagon, and her opposition to the war from the start, and the fact that Rumsfeld still has an office in the building.
Methinks they won’t start shit with her again anytime soon after that.
TRex @
3
Catholic Psychopaths? Psycho Catholipaths? Pathic Psychocaths?
Bill Donohue? Phil Donahue? Eleanor Donahue?
Princess? Bud? Kitten?
Only 23 months to go!… Don’t bogart the Flubbergas.
Blogosphere calls for Pope’s firing
Well that was weird. I just replied to Fini’s comment at 27, and instead of placing it in the thread of comments, the servers coughed it back up as an edit and replaced my comment at 15 . . .
Let’s try again:
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 27
It’s kind of like Democrats trying to talk to Joe Lieberman during the last six years. Many have tried, but to no avail.
Now that I think about it, some of my Jesuit friends think of Donohue in the same terms that punaise applies to Short Ride Joe (except, being Jesuits, they express their contempt using puns in Latin).
TRex @ 38
It is amazing that colors are so much brighter. I pointed out to my hubby that the snow was SO WHITE! He said, Duh…
Back in the 90’s there was this big controversey about the the Attorney General supporting the availability of condoms in high school nursing offices. The Catholic League put up an ad throughout the subway calling the AG a “Condomaniac.”
This was my response. Click the title and sing along.
SpeakerAir is on Nightline right now
lectric lady @ 47
I have the same reaction that first time each year I step outside on a sunny day with snow on the ground–”Sweet Zombie Jesus, that snow is so white it just about blinded me!”
OT, but Raw Story reports that the Pentagon’s investigation into the Office of Special Plans is a “devastating condemnation” of their activities.
From the article:
in a separate statement, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, states that whether the intelligence activities “were authorized or not, it appears that they were not in compliance with the law.”
Citing excerpts from the IG’s unclassified executive summary of the classified report, Levin’s statement shows that Feith was not alone in sharing the blame in creating a parallel intelligence channel that the IG describes “was inappropriately performing Intelligence Activities of developing, producing, and disseminating that should be performed by the Intelligence Community.”
Abraham Lincoln said, “What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself.” Bill Donahue is just a human version of a skunk. You can’t ignore his stench, but you don’t want to get close to him.
What kind of a salary does Foamy Bill O’ rake in with his boiler room religio-fascist outfit anyway?
Is he taking limos on some poor grandma’s donated dime?
Has he ever been spotted sharing a Snicker’s with a comely altar-boy? He sure does think about gay sex an awful lot.
-GSD
On the Clock @ 45
Goddam that’s funny!
Think about this. You’re a producer or booker, or you’re a reporter on deadline looking for a story to file or a juicy quote to fill out a piece. So do you seek out someone representative, or do you just go to the guy in your Rolodex that’s ten blocks away and will pay his own cab fare to get on the teevee or make the phonecall to get into print?
Those are the logistics of the 24-hour news cycle. The right wing has learned how to use them to its advantage. And one of the few people to understand that is David Brock, because he worked inside it before he realised it was eating away his being.
It’s really hard to compete with Donohue, because he ‘gives good TV’ and exists solely to spout BS. His operation might be run by fewer people than FDL, but it gets shitloads of money, has an advisory board of wingnut logrollers, and pays him a very nice $300k per year.
The way to get rid of him is to start asking tough questions about just who funds him, and just who he represents. Once bishops and archbishops are put on the spot and asked to defend his statements on the record, his power to shape the discourse and speak like he’s the fucking Pope of America will dwindle.
At MyDD…Keep Piling On The Pressure
She’s a condomaniac, condomaniac I know…and she’s dancing like she’s never danced before.
Ah that Jocelyn Elders was a snappy and sharp woman.
-GSD
yo, Bill Donohue, why doncha go read a nice book like da Flinchy Code…
My take on this is that a lot of bloggers need to rally essentially to expose Donahue. Keep this up, show the world what he’s like. Call the news media. Push the story.
Heading home, gang.
See you in a bit.
Jesuits scare me. I’m just saying. They’re creepy.
DragonScholar @ 58
Aye, aye!!
Pardon me, I think there’s a small error.
That’s Catholic Crypto-Sociopath. The term “psychopath” is out of vogue now.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
SubwaySerenade @
49
now for some Seuss illustrations ……..
Peterr @ 46
It’s time for an intervention. It’s time to make it clear to your Jesuit friends that as long as the only person called up to talk about topics as a Catholic is Bill Donohue, it’s actively damaging them.
He’s not stupid. He’s like a Z-list celeb who’ll show up at a random party to get a picture in the paper. That’s why he’s based in NYC, rather than Boston or Chicago or Baltimore.
But if Cardinal Egan or Cardinal O’Malley are placed in a position where they have no alternative but to denounce him, all of his power vanishes.
From todays’s Wapoo:
“In the short-term at least, there can be no military offensive against the militias. Military confrontation, in the current climate, will only strengthen their appeal and swell their ranks,” the Baghdad Institute for Public Policy Research concludes.
Sounds like the Bush Surge and Embolden strategy.
-GSD
pseudonymous in nc @ 64
Doubt that would happen. Pope Ratzinger would have their ass if they dissed Donohue.
Peterr - got to
brush up on mylearn me some Latin nowlectric lady,
I was just thinking about you and Mrs. K8. Hugs to you both.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 60
Jesuits are generally pretty cool. Especially 17th century ones like Athanasius Kircher.
Recovering Catholic here.
People like that drove me from the church.
My thought is that if NYC had a strong Cardinal, they would shut him up. Egan doesn’t have the presence.
GSD @ 52
He probably was the altar boy who never got propositioned.
montag @ 66
How do you know, though? Can Cardinal Egan really say that Donohue’s right, and victims of abuse were asking for it? Somehow I think that the existence of several multi-million-dollar legal settlements suggests otherwise.
Nobody’s tried to get the clerical hierarchy on record about this renegade blowhard. He’s not ordained. He’s not part of a church-sanctioned organisation. And yet he’s Mr Cablenews Catholic.
pseudonymous in nc @ 65
Oh, my friends are well aware of that, but they don’t have a whole lot of pull with folks like Egan and O’Malley, for three reasons: (1) the hierarchy looks at Jesuits with suspicion, as they answer to their own order’s superior before the neighborhood bishop; (2) my friends are lowly priests with relatively minor positions, and in a hierarchical organization, rank matters; and, (3) sad to say, some of the cardinals actually like what Donohue has to say and wish he’d say it more often.
Doesn’t keep my friends from pushing, mind you, but the chances of a successful intervention are not terribly great. It would take a miracle.
punaise @ 67
Having trouble keeping up with the French ones, and trailing somewhat behind in the English ones, I have to say that if I have to start doing pun contretemps in Latin, I’m just well and truly fucked, and might as well spend my time reading Goodbye, Mr. Chips.
punaise @ 68
Oh, they do French too, but not when I’m around, as my French goes only a little past RSVP.
Please don’t tell that this obviously religious man is a hypocrite! That must be a first.
If these are the people that are getting sucked up to heaven by the GodVac3000 when the rapture comes, I’m glad I’ll be left behind.
ChickenMan @ 76
Sorry, there’s no such thing as a Catholic Rapture. (I’m sure Donohue’s wife would tell you the same.)
rwcole @ 18
He pretty much exemplified liberalism the first time. But ever since, people have been reinventing him in their own image.
I’m Catholic (former fundamentalist, former nun) and never heard of Donohue until a few days ago. Is he supporting fellow-rightie-Catholic Sam Brownback for Prez?
Donohue is probably safe from the clergy. The old (mostly-white) male Church establishment is too fearful of being the ones to effect change. More kick-the-can BS, like Bush/Cheney are doing with the war.
pseudonymous in nc @ 72
Truthfully, I don’t. But, generally, I do know the Catholic church.
Bernard Law is in the Vatican right now to keep his lily-white chubby ass out of jail for aiding and abetting.
Whatever Donohue does is inconsequential compared to the church’s other problems.
http://www.kaijushakedown.com/.....me_th.html
The link is to Grady Hendrix weblog. He is the film critic countering Buchanan on the 2/9/06 Scarborough show. He wrote it right after the fact. It’s interesting because he had no previous experience with this type of thing and has many wide eyed behind the scenes experiences to share. Truly a lamb led to the slaughter.
Donahue is a Catholic rupture.
-GSD
Look at what the Iranians were up to today. Putting some of their oil money to use bying state of the art missile systems from Russia.
(Snip)
“We have successfully test fired a cruise missile called SSN4,or Ra’ad, hitting targets 300 km (180 miles) away in the Sea of Oman and northern Indian Ocean,” deputy Air Force commander Brigadier General Ali Fadavi was quoted as saying.
“This missile has the final range of 350 km and can hit all kinds of big warships in all of the Persian Gulf, Sea of Oman and northern Indian Ocean,” he said.
“It can carry a 500 kilos (1,100 pounds) warhead and can fly at low altitude, evading radar jammings and immune to electronic measures.” the commander added.
A little more fiesty than Iraq.
Punaise (or others), if you want to dip your toes into Latin, here’s a good fun place to start: Virent Ova! Virent Perna!
montag @
76
it’s a bit obtuse, but my first thought was what’s Diane Keaton got to do with this?
_____
I have a Latin phrase book, and I’m not afraid to use it.
Ecce potestas casei.
Peterr @ 72
Isn’t that the point, though? This is the Catholic Church we’re talking about, and Catholics do hierarchy better than most Christian denominations.
So where is Donohue’s rank? What gives him the right to speak as if for American Catholics? He’s not ordained. He’s not, to my knowledge, a lay member of any church-sanctioned society. An ordained Jesuit — any ordained Jesuit — should be higher up the ladder than a random, renegade lay person. Or does the ladder not matter when you’re a wingnut blowhard?
See, there are conservative Catholic organisations — Opus Dei, for one — that I may not like, but are legitimately part of the church. The Catholic League isn’t one of them.
(I say this as someone who’s a tribal Catholic rather than a believer these days.)
amazingdrx @
64
Done.
GSD - Donahue is a Catholic rupture
Donahue is a wrath lick capped, sure
punaise @ 87
I dare you to explain that to his face.
Hey Trex, have you gotten my emails last couple of days?
EvilDrPuma @ 90
I’d have to figure out what it means first.
punaise @ 83
“Scold I, oh, sis, the evils of Hollywood,” sayeth William of Don’t-I-hew.
pseudonymous in nc @ 85
The phrase “useful idiot” comes to mind. For some in the hierarchy, Donohue’s rants are what they would like to say but can’t - wouldn’t look good coming from a bishop or cardinal. As a layperson, he can rant to his heart’s content and the bishops have “plausible deniablility.”
If he were still around, Chicago’s late Cardinal Bernardin would have dealt with him, gently but firmly, on precisely the grounds you cite. Sadly, they don’t make Cardinals the way they used to.
punaise @ 90
Thought you said you had a Latin phrase book….
donning latin foil hat, in search of a good conspiracy
Well what can you say about a religion in which the seminary often involves a rectory?
montag @ 95
caveat empty
EvilDrPuma @ 78
As a former Catholic, I probably should have known that.
Carpe Doughnut.