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		<title>By: Political Waves &#187; Under the wheels</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-495480</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Waves &#187; Under the wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494737</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Moderator?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why, it’s Max Sembler, Lieberman’s go to fundraiser for his last campaign bid.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, it’s Mel Sembler. Important bad guy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderator?</p>
<p><i>Why, it’s Max Sembler, Lieberman’s go to fundraiser for his last campaign bid.</i></p>
<p>No, it’s Mel Sembler. Important bad guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Politburo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494659</link>
		<dc:creator>Politburo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A little late for this thread, but there is an odd little development with Dickerson. He’s been editing his own wiki article.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late for this thread, but there is an odd little development with Dickerson. He’s been editing his own wiki article.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494601</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-494319&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RevDeb @ 19 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Heard from a colleague last night that 2 of my former parishioners are near death. Youngish women who brought strength and laughter to every encounter. Will be calling them today. Sad beyond words.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;((((RevDeb))))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-494319"><em>RevDeb @ 19 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Heard from a colleague last night that 2 of my former parishioners are near death. Youngish women who brought strength and laughter to every encounter. Will be calling them today. Sad beyond words.</p>
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<p>((((RevDeb))))</p>
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		<title>By: LandOfTheFree</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494579</link>
		<dc:creator>LandOfTheFree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-494355&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SharonRB @ 54 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; You lucky thing,you.  Wish I could stay home in my bathrobe, watch C-Span and follow the trial all day!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you watch the State of the State last night?  Jennifer was on fire — what a fabulous speech!  (But then when doesn’t she give a fabulous speech?)  I just hope the Repubs in the Senate (who had already made up their minds before she spoke) don’t keep her from accomplishing what needs to be done to save the state.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, I actually went out for brunch with the hubby, ran a few errands, and now have to do business work all day… but i can peek in for trial updates quite frequently. I did get out of the bathrobe to go out in the 4 degree weather… it’s windy, too! At least the sun is shining brightly, so it looks purty while you’re shivering.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I missed Jennifer Granholm’s speech (working, then out for the late dinner). The four headlines on the Free Press website (for the people outside of Michigan, the Free Press is our Democratic-leaning paper)are not all that flattering:&lt;br /&gt;
• Granholm: We need tax boost, investment in education&lt;br /&gt;
• Speech big on hope, skimpy on the details&lt;br /&gt;
• Upbeat Granholm called out of touch&lt;br /&gt;
• Plan to raise taxes questioned&lt;br /&gt;
• Granholm pushes to improve accountability &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Detroit News (our Conservative Republican paper) has an unflattering picture and summary: “Gov: More Taxes, Cuts”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-494355"><em>SharonRB @ 54 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p> You lucky thing,you.  Wish I could stay home in my bathrobe, watch C-Span and follow the trial all day!</p>
<p>Did you watch the State of the State last night?  Jennifer was on fire — what a fabulous speech!  (But then when doesn’t she give a fabulous speech?)  I just hope the Repubs in the Senate (who had already made up their minds before she spoke) don’t keep her from accomplishing what needs to be done to save the state.</p>
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<p>Well, I actually went out for brunch with the hubby, ran a few errands, and now have to do business work all day… but i can peek in for trial updates quite frequently. I did get out of the bathrobe to go out in the 4 degree weather… it’s windy, too! At least the sun is shining brightly, so it looks purty while you’re shivering.</p>
<p>I missed Jennifer Granholm’s speech (working, then out for the late dinner). The four headlines on the Free Press website (for the people outside of Michigan, the Free Press is our Democratic-leaning paper)are not all that flattering:<br />
• Granholm: We need tax boost, investment in education<br />
• Speech big on hope, skimpy on the details<br />
• Upbeat Granholm called out of touch<br />
• Plan to raise taxes questioned<br />
• Granholm pushes to improve accountability </p>
<p>The Detroit News (our Conservative Republican paper) has an unflattering picture and summary: “Gov: More Taxes, Cuts”.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliticalCritic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494534</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliticalCritic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like everyone got a little dirty in this whole incident.  The media members won’t escape either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like everyone got a little dirty in this whole incident.  The media members won’t escape either.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveW</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494504</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did anyone see David Brooks last night on Charlie Rose? According to Brooks, “the American people shouldn’t care about the Libby trial”….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ok then, all is well in the world, back to shopping, nothing to see her…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone see David Brooks last night on Charlie Rose? According to Brooks, “the American people shouldn’t care about the Libby trial”….</p>
<p>Ok then, all is well in the world, back to shopping, nothing to see her…..</p>
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		<title>By: Caoimhin Laochdha</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494486</link>
		<dc:creator>Caoimhin Laochdha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;THERE ARE NO VIRGINS HERE&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The absence of virgins does not bother me.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is unsettling, however, to be continually reminded that the whores have no credibility.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;slainte,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
cl&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>THERE ARE NO VIRGINS HERE</b></p>
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<p>The absence of virgins does not bother me.  </p>
<p>It is unsettling, however, to be continually reminded that the whores have no credibility.</p>
<p><em>slainte,</em><br />
cl</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494467</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It may be true that everyone has an agenda at this trial. Some may actually be after the facts and the truth! The public has learned the hard way( the lead up to the illegal invasion of Iraq) that many in the mainstream media do not do their jobs. We are supposed to depend on them to shine their spotlights on the issues, provide the public with the facts as much as possible and then the public can come to their own conclusions with as much valid information as possible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Journalist and the mainstream outlets that they work for are not innocent or omnipotent. Judy Miller and the New York Times (they did edit her work thoroughly or verify her sources for the WND STORIES, which we know ended up being false) are the premiere examples. many of us knew they were false based on El Baradei’s speech at the UN  in March of 2002 where he told the world that the Niger Documents were false (the MSM barely gave his speech any coverage). The Diane Rehms show ( one mainstreamer trying to provide the public with a full and honest view of issues) had Zbigniew Brezenski, Scott Ritter, Cia analyst and many more experts questioning the validity of the intelligence and sanity of an invasion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why should the public trust the majority of the mainstream media they failed (not all but most) in the run-up to the invasion. THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET…THANK GOD FOR AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO ACCESS INFORMATION AND OPINIONS…THANK GOD FOR THE BLOGGERS!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The mainstream is terrified of this alternative, and are busy trying to figure out how they can participate and dominate the news once again,,,they are losing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be true that everyone has an agenda at this trial. Some may actually be after the facts and the truth! The public has learned the hard way( the lead up to the illegal invasion of Iraq) that many in the mainstream media do not do their jobs. We are supposed to depend on them to shine their spotlights on the issues, provide the public with the facts as much as possible and then the public can come to their own conclusions with as much valid information as possible.</p>
<p>Journalist and the mainstream outlets that they work for are not innocent or omnipotent. Judy Miller and the New York Times (they did edit her work thoroughly or verify her sources for the WND STORIES, which we know ended up being false) are the premiere examples. many of us knew they were false based on El Baradei’s speech at the UN  in March of 2002 where he told the world that the Niger Documents were false (the MSM barely gave his speech any coverage). The Diane Rehms show ( one mainstreamer trying to provide the public with a full and honest view of issues) had Zbigniew Brezenski, Scott Ritter, Cia analyst and many more experts questioning the validity of the intelligence and sanity of an invasion.</p>
<p>Why should the public trust the majority of the mainstream media they failed (not all but most) in the run-up to the invasion. THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET…THANK GOD FOR AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO ACCESS INFORMATION AND OPINIONS…THANK GOD FOR THE BLOGGERS!</p>
<p>The mainstream is terrified of this alternative, and are busy trying to figure out how they can participate and dominate the news once again,,,they are losing.</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/07/there-are-no-virgins-here/#comment-494464</link>
		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Access-based journalism is barely above bullshit.  Let’s look at it this way: if I’m a SAO talking on background, nobody knows who’s responsible for the spinning I’m doing, no matter how egregious.  So I’ve got a consequence-free spin zone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There may be some times when a high-up source is willing to be more honest with a reporter on background than on the record, but that’s certainly not the way to bet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Access-based journalism is barely above bullshit.  Let’s look at it this way: if I’m a SAO talking on background, nobody knows who’s responsible for the spinning I’m doing, no matter how egregious.  So I’ve got a consequence-free spin zone.</p>
<p>There may be some times when a high-up source is willing to be more honest with a reporter on background than on the record, but that’s certainly not the way to bet.</p>
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